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Deadliest Ukraine Fighting In Weeks Caught On Tape

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At least 13 Ukrainian soldiers (and reportedly at least 20 pro-Russian supporters) were killed today as WSJ reports fighting flared across breakaway regions in the east just days before a presidential election the rebels have vowed to block. Markets have forgotten that the US-Europe-Russia-China-Ukraine tensions continue and the major event risk this weekend but the last 24 hours have seen several attacks with the highest number of casualties since the conflict began 2 months ago. Separatists near Luhansk blew up a bridge over the Siverskiy Donets river near Novodruzhesk in several hours of fighting, Interfax reported, citing witnesses. The worst fighting appeared to take place near Volnovakha, on the road from the regional capital, Donetsk, to Mariupol, where there hadn't been heavy separatist fighting before.. and the dismal episode was caught on tape.

 

 

As EuroNews reports,

At least eleven Ukrainian troops were killed and about 30 others were wounded on Thursday when pro-Russian insurgents attacked a military checkpoint, the deadliest raid in weeks of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

 

Journalists saw 11 bodies scattered around the checkpoint on the edge of the village of Blahodatne, about 30 kilometers (20 miles) south of the city of Donetsk.

 

Witnesses said that more than 30 Ukrainian troops were wounded when the insurgents attacked the checkpoint, and some of them were in grave condition.

 

The attack came three days before the country's presidential vote.

 

Three charred Ukrainian armored infantry vehicles, their turrets blown away by powerful explosions, and several burned trucks stood at the site of the combat area. A military helicopter landed on the site, carrying officials who inspected the scene.

 

The Ukrainian Defence Ministry confirmed the attack, but wouldn't comment on casualties. There was no report of casualties on the insurgent side.

 

The Volnovakha hospital was closed to the media, as Ukrainian soldiers rushed in and out, and guarded the entrances.

 

In the town of Horlivka, a rebel commander claimed responsibility for the raid and produced an array of weapons they said they had seized.

 

Scores have been killed in fighting between pro-Russian insurgents, who have seized government buildings and engaged in clashes with government troops in eastern Ukraine.

 

Thursday's carnage cast a shadow over Ukraine's presidential vote on Sunday, which insurgents in the east have pledged to derail.

The Responses... (via WSJ)

Ukraine

"Under heavy fire from mortars, grenade-launchers and heavy machine-guns, our boys died for Ukraine," Mr. Turchynov told a group of religious leaders in the capital Kiev.

"Today a major operation was prepared on all fronts and it was repulsed," Mr. Parubiy told a briefing in Kiev, according to the Interfax news agency.

Russia

In Moscow, officials said the instability in the region cast further doubt on the elections.

 

"We will follow how the preparations for these elections go and make our conclusions based on their results," Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said. "We can't express anything other than indignation about the atmosphere in which the preparations for these elections are being conducted."

The US

The Pentagon also announced that a U.S. guided missile cruiser will enter the Black Sea on Friday for training with U.S. allies.

NATO

"It's too early to know where they're moving to or how many of them are moving," Gen. Philip Breedlove, NATO's top military commander said after a meeting in Brussels of military officers from NATO's 28 members. "But what we do know is that the force that remains on the border is very large, and it's very capable, and it remains in a very coercive posture."

 

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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:56 | 4785747 TeamDepends
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Chaos out of order out of chaos....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:03 | 4785797 Canadian Dirtlump
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Reports out already that this was done by mercenaries i.e. a fals flag and I would believe that before I believe the pro russian forces who don't have helicopters. The Ukranian military has been defecting and standing down all over the place i.e. supporting pro russian military.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:18 | 4785883 flacon
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It was definitely "the terrorists" who did that. Whoar On Terror. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:24 | 4785923 Ahmeexnal
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Spanish, Greek, Italian, Irish, Portuguese young men and women are being drafted by NATO, trained and armed (with wooden mock rifles) and ready to be sent to die for their masters in the ukranian swamps.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:27 | 4785944 y3maxx
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...USSA getting more desperate by the Day...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:30 | 4785958 COSMOS
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I am sure all those Ukrainian moms who lost those young sons in the conflict going on, are more than happy to know their kids died for a worthy cause, so that Hunter Biden can sit on the board of their gas company.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:39 | 4786007 power steering
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Brother Beau was otherwise occupied.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:03 | 4786119 COSMOS
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I guess Nuland feels the babies she popped out are more ENTITLED to having a life, attending ivy league colleges, having a blast water skiing on the lake in the summertime, and then going to Ibiza to party after doing the Greek island party tour, than those Ukrainian boys lying dead in the field right now.

So the kids of the thieves and murderers get to have fun on the SAND during spring break and Summer vacation with a bottomless line of credit. Meanwhile the kids of the hardworking folks sleep eternal on the DARK SOIL.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:09 | 4786147 Spastica Rex
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Meek inherits Earth six feet deep.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:14 | 4786160 COSMOS
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LOL so true, and the Creeps inherit the Pink, White, and Golden Sands found on the Gold Coast Beaches around the world.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:32 | 4786467 TeamDepends
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Was it over when NATO bombed Pearl Harbor?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:46 | 4787407 TheReplacement
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Life is not meant to be easy.  Life is a test of character.  Those living the high life off the backs of others are probably failing that test.  They will rue the day nature's God delivers justice.  This life is short.  Forever is a long time.  Live with that in mind and what they do won't matter, in the long run.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:48 | 4787550 jeff montanye
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it's a fine line.  can be the opiate of the masses.

sometimes there is no substitute for justice in the here and now.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:22 | 4786199 verum quod lies
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To the tribe they are just goyim or cattle to be slaughtered for their amusement and profit.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:15 | 4786834 fleur de lis
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Since that hag Nuland has now birthed Nulandistan how long will it be before she gets dropped behind lines and fights alongside her mercs? She should be forced to participate in the war she started, just like all the other slobs in the region whose lives are now on the line. Or if she is too much of a coward she can always send one of her brats in her stead.  

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:47 | 4787411 TheReplacement
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You don't seriously think this is her doing do you?  She is nothing more than a political foot soldier with some connections.  She did what she was told.  She is no better than a Nazi officer but what of the order giver?

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:52 | 4787552 jeff montanye
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indeed.  that she served both bush and obama is an indication of the continuity of u.s. foreign policy, particularly since 9-11.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 11:14 | 4788583 fleur de lis
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A political foot soldier? Like she had no idea? She had the free will to stay out of it. Did you listen to her disgusting phonecall? As she blithly discussed meddling in a foreign government do you think she cared how many lives would be put in danger?  

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:35 | 4786717 August
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Those dead Ukrainian sons are small potatoes. 

Hunter helps feed hundreds of millions of malnourished kids worldwide, every weekend.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:55 | 4787536 jeff montanye
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well said cosmos. however hunter may need some serious liability insurance before this is all over.

he may just want to videoconference.

 

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:49 | 4786071 Canadian Dirtlump
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Indeed. Also it looks like dwayne who works in the mail room at blackwater, err xi, err academi is watching zerohedge and is on the downvote parade.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:31 | 4785962 franzpick
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' some of them were in grave condition'

Nuland's Ukraine gunboat diplomacy is also in grave condition: time to bury it.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:32 | 4787538 jeff montanye
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i don't think so.  this is the gift that keeps on giving.  obama's first experience with an actual opponent.

b.o. is there until early 2017, and they're invested.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:11 | 4786614 Razor_Edge
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No draft here in Ireland, and we're not members of Hato anyway, so no Irish kids going to die in Ukie swamps. Anyways, any soldier who goes off to war other than to defend his home and people from direct attack deserves whatever comes his way. Wasn't it Kissinger who said; "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"?

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:39 | 4787542 jeff montanye
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based on this:  https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080829163144AAAY2UB, one would think so.  acted like it.  

and in the obama era we have become so much more sensitive to the distinction.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:55 | 4786092 Canadian Dirtlump
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the guys the day before.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9sVlYtNSaY

 

the attack apparently, featuring a helicopter which the pro russian guys don't have.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ySXaRu04k

 

the aftermath purportedly.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5QhbTaWDB8

 

Either way the evil russian angle was played out from day zero to anyone with an iq above room temperature.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:30 | 4786458 COSMOS
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Great links, can't say the guys with the tanks were not warned, the guy in the video said why are you here the people do not like you.  They had their warning to get out of Dodge.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:11 | 4787460 TheReplacement
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There are at least three different helos in that video.  They are most likely the response sent by the Ukrainians to the initial attack.  Reportedly the initial attack involved a bank armored car that was able to pull right up the the apcs and decimate them with point blank RPG and small arms fire.  Looking at the first video suggests that this scenario is most probable.  The guys making the video were a probably recon.  The condensending attitude might suggest they were professionals at some point in their lives. 

It would seem unlikely that western mercs would include themselves in a video of a recon of the target.  The fluent Russian in an apparently legit local accent would probably be hard for most western mercs to pull off. 

I think these people genuinely don't like each other enough to go kill each other on their own in that situation.  It doesn't help that there is so much outside interference but that doesn't change the fact that they really are willing to kill each other.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 02:06 | 4787561 jeff montanye
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willing yes, but the higher morale is usually felt by those on home soil.  add to this the relative ease of supply for the u.s. and russia and this business really starts to look iffy.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:05 | 4785807 SilverRhino
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Notice how quick that government was to turn attack helicopters against its own citizens.  

Buy a 50BMG or long range rapid fire rifle.  It just may save your life.  

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:21 | 4785915 CoonT
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It's called the GM-6 Lynx. For a mere 14 grand, true "equality" can be yours...and by extension, ours!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:32 | 4785957 SilverRhino
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Serbu BFG 50A ... 20 pounds, 10 round semi-auto ... $7000   Magazines are standard M82 10-round 50BMG

http://www.serbu.com/50bmg/semi_auto.php  

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:39 | 4786009 Headbanger
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Would make a great Father's Day gift!

I'd have to do some practice shooting at drones flying at 300 to maybe 1000 feet off the deck..

Hmmm.. Where's that small Southwest town that issues drone hunting licenses again??

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:14 | 4786833 A Nanny Moose
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Would you, by any chance, know the whereabouts of my Amazon order?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:47 | 4786036 power steering
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TAC®-50 McMillan Tactical Rifle.  AKA Mk-15. 50 caliber. Superior to all other sniper weapons for accuraccy and power (Rifle $9,990 Package $11,900)

 

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifles-tactical-tac-50.php

Overwhelming force delivered with benchrest accuracy at extreme range.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:07 | 4786142 mc225
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how about homegrown, surplus ptrd/ptrs... 14.5mm...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:08 | 4786145 IndyPat
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Word.

I shot an APC with one at 1K + on an undisclosed practice range.

A smoke ring shot out the hatch when the round hit it.

First shot of many....

Sold my Barrett soon after.

They make a can for it too.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:13 | 4786164 Overfed
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I saw a Lahti for sale at a gunshow last month. Man, what a piece of hardware. A little out of my price range unfortunately.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:05 | 4785809 Belrev
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Notice the attack helicopters. It was not pro-Russians that attacked and killed Ukrainian army reservists. It was the nazi Ukrainian national guard. The reservists refused to obey Kiev government and kill local civilians. Next day they got slaughtered themselves as punishment.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:02 | 4786121 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Per the latest article from the Saker, the Ukrainian troops (conscripts) had been manning a checkpoint for three days and had a non-agression agreement with the local resistance.

They received orders to attack civilians in a nearby village, which they refused. The commander announced that he would withdraw since there were no terrorists, only civilians.

At around 5 AM local time, several vehicles, including vans and armored cars from Privat Bank (owned by Ihor Kolomoiski, who bankrolled the Odessa human barbeque) arrived at the checkpoint. They were carrying Kievan Yatzi Junta death squads, who proceeded to murder the Ukrainian conscripts.

An hour or so later, helicopter gunships destroyed the attackers' vehicles in order to hide their origin (Privat Bank).

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-22th-1932-u...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:33 | 4786469 COSMOS
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Wow, freaking just pure EVIL that Kolomoiski guy, cant wait to see him hanged with wire in the town square.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:39 | 4786489 Son of Captain Nemo
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"They received orders to attack civilians in a nearby village, which they refused. The commander announced that he would withdraw since there were no terrorists, only civilians."...

TFS

This is all well known and thank God it's documented.

The most important ones of the Ukrainian soldiers in there tanks being stopped by civilians on foot are an amazing indictment of how evil the U.S. government and it's lackeys are in promoting their agenda and how united the Ukrainians people are to make it cease.  It's a wonderful omen for humanity as long as their aren't any Zionist Americans, Jews or Brits in our midst!...

I wonder what will happen when those images come home to roost on America's "Mainstreet"?

If the infinite number videos on youtube of police brutality and murder is any predictor of what is coming our way, let's just hope none of them become tank drivers or pilots!

What an indictment it is of the American soul -Hey?!!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:37 | 4785999 pvzh
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The video (copters hitting APCs) was "friendly fire", and is not of the actual attack. "Rebels" do not have armored vehicles (there are some in the north (from defectors), but they are dug-in and are not used for raids). What happened: "rebels" attacked block post and its attached APCs, commander of the block-post called for air support, "rebels" dis-engaged, air support came in anyway and attacked APCs. Miscommunications / "just-in-case" (so armored vehicles will not fall into rebels hands).

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:56 | 4786096 BlindMonkey
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I am waiting for Nuland to maneuver the Death Star into position to destroy the rebel stronghold once and for all.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:37 | 4786261 COSMOS
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Cue in Banzai with Putin as Luke Skywalker on the Millenium Falcon riding to the rescue.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:05 | 4786358 BlindMonkey
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WB doesn't need to do anything.  Not when you have the rebel leader already wearing a Napeoleon era throwback jersey.

 

https://news.pn/en/criminal/98553

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:25 | 4786851 pvzh
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Friendly fire is confirmed.

Here is the video from the ground by the attacked (Ukrainian National Guard), and questions from the soldiers on the ground: "Are these [copters] ours?", "Why do they firing on us?", etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBy0szgtYWw

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:59 | 4785751 sangell
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The longer this goes on the more combat experience and organized the Ukrainian military gets. That will cost Russia if at some point it decides to intervene to keep its guerilla forces from being exterminated.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:02 | 4785781 Belrev
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I am very concerned about the 6 Ukrainian working tanks invading Russia.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:12 | 4785848 sangell
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Laugh but Ukraine has plenty of 'servicable' military gear. Maybe not as up to date as Russia's latest obsolete equipment but 'good enough'. What it didn't have and what was painfully obvious in its initial deployments was any combat experience or organization. That it is now getting.and on the cheap, against snall units that cannot overpower it. I don't for a minute believe Russia could not overpower Ukraine in a toe to toe fight but that's not the issue. It is how many casualties can Putin's military withstand before Russian public opinion turns. Ukraine is not Chechya. It has 30 times the population. Russian casualties attempting to take and occupy large areas here could be very heavy. It could lose entire brigades or even divisions.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:16 | 4785872 pods
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Or it could just sit and wait for them to stall out, run out of diesel, etc.

The little old lady brigade seemed to be pretty effective in stopping armor?

pods

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:33 | 4785975 sangell
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Actually if you'd look at a map that is more likely to be Russia's problem not Ukraines. Russia would be the one fighting away from its bases its lines of resupply at risk. Little old ladies,spectators and Christmas truces happen at the start of wars. Once they get going, little old ladies and spectators and Christmas truces come to an abrupt end. If you don't know that you know no history at all.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:19 | 4786188 pods
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I do know history, and I also know that those who dwell in the past cannot see the future.

This ain't gonna be Finland in WWII (your other scenario).

Try the balkans for what it might look like if it really goes up.  

Nowadays it is tough for anything to really flare up.  Instantaneous video around the world tends to affect those purported to be in power quite quickly.

Europe cannot afford to let this thing flare up, as Russia is not going to keep sending gas to the EU if the EU is killing Russians.  And the Russians would rather things move along without an invasion.

Uk will be split without a large scale war.  Sucks because the government I live under had a large hand in this, but that is what is going to happen.

pods

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:28 | 4786218 Ghordius
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the EU killing Russians? pods, WTF are you talking about? Even the Russian gov is NOT blaming the EU

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:50 | 4786309 pods
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What does the EU in Euromaidan stand for?

If there is a large scale invasion in the east by the government in Ukraine who is going to be blamed?

It has already been made quite clear by the IMF that the "loans" given to Ukraine were contingent on it being a united Ukraine.

Now, are there EU flags being flown on the military vehicles, no.  

Is Russian going to sit back and keep shipping gas to the very people that the western Ukrainians want to join while eithnic Russians are being killed, and allowing the pro EU Ukrainian government to siphon off gas during shipment?

Think bigger Ghordius.  Russia might not hold the EU to blame for the actual killing, but they will be held responsible.  They are keeping their mouths shut now because they want the IMF "loans" to pay off the gas that has already been shipped and burned.  Full scale invasion and mass killing and all bets are off.

pods

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:17 | 4786412 Ghordius
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that's total war thinking - modern Russians don't think that way, not towards Ukrainians and not towards other Europeans. That is why they are holding the moral high ground vs some Ukrainian groups, btw, and that is important for them in their relations vs East Europeans

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:24 | 4786431 pods
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I would agree that the Russians are not interested in any war, much less total war.  They have seen the "new war" and they are aptly suited for it.  Debt vs. resources.  They happen to have little of one and a lot of the other.  They would love nothing more than to keep selling gas to Europe and collecting money for it.

But, if there is a large scale operation that results in a lot of ethic russians (east Ukranians) killed then all bets are off.

pods

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:15 | 4786388 Omen IV
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there are countless spies in the ukrainian army ready to give up positions and data to destroy the kiev cabal in favor of russia

people are defecting already they refuse to shoot civilians - the people in Kiev are also a liability

Nuland along with the CIA, Greystone, State Department and Biden / Heinz - will leave via helocopter from the roof of the US Embassy just like in SAIGON circa 70's - within 6 months

bank on it

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:26 | 4786853 August
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>>>Nuland along with the CIA, Greystone, State Department and Biden / Heinz - will leave via helocopter from the roof of the US Embassy - within 6 months

Conceivably, but I'd bet that this takes more than 6 months to play out.  Centralized government which rules East Ukraine from Kiev is over, permanently.  A decentralized federal Ukraine makes sense, but it will probably take time, more deaths, and deteriorating PR, before the current Kiev junta accepts this.  Ideally, a military coup will remove the existing Kiev government, and some degree of stability may be imposed.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:20 | 4787355 novictim
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sangell, you are supposed to keep it simple. ok?  All this talk of extended supply lines makes too much sense.  You are confusing the Russians with "history", so stop it!

The Russians here are quite aware that "history" is a channel on RT state run television that explores alien invaders and the gifts the Soviet Empire brought for humanity..

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:27 | 4785945 dogbreath
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smoke another joint

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:17 | 4786182 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

smoke another joint

Hey, come on, don't go blaming weed for sangell's nutsery. If his raving and drooling is drug induced, it's gotta be something stronger and weirder than weed.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:10 | 4786609 dogbreath
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Hey Stooge,

 

I'll rethink that metaphore, it is kind of dated and there are many newer delusions to take into consideration.

 

Cheers

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:12 | 4786827 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hey Stooge,

I'll rethink that metaphore, it is kind of dated and there are many newer delusions to take into consideration.

Cheers

Good call, dogbreath.

Based on the bizarre behavior exhibited by sangell, he may have stumbled upon a patch of Jimsonweed. It would explain a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimsonweed

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:58 | 4786105 BlindMonkey
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They are not going to lose entire divisions when the local populace is providing maps and intel about the Ukraine/merc's positions. Having the populace throwing flowers in front of your tracks in celebration of your arrival is not a bad position to be in.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:27 | 4786216 Volkodav
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hahaha   "Ukraine is not Chechya"

idiot post

you so much know nothing about these subjects...

 

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:09 | 4785833 Bastiat
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Oh great: kinda like PeeWee Herman playing rope-a-dope with George Forman.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:14 | 4785857 Hippocratic Oaf
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Sangell

 

Really?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:26 | 4785937 sangell
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Your avatar becomes you.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:20 | 4785900 power steering
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You had me at PeeWee Herman playing rope a dope

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:21 | 4785913 sangell
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I was thinking more along the lines of what tiny Finland did to the Red Army in the Winter War of 39-40. The Russian had overwhelming advantage in manpower ( they won't here) and in tanks and airpower. The Finns held them off though and damn near beat them. In the end they preserved their independence.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:36 | 4785994 dogbreath
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EDIT:     IDIOT     

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:02 | 4786115 MrPalladium
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Finland was not full of ethnic Russians wanting to break away from Finland. It is laughable that you think there would be high Russian casualties in Eastern Ukraine fighting alongside their blood brothers.

And if Russia really had only obsolete arms as you suggest, then NATO would have already joined in the fight, which they haven't because of Russia's up to date equipment.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:13 | 4786162 TheFourthStooge-ing
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sangell, propagandist for war criminals, said:

The longer this goes on the more combat experience and organized the Ukrainian military gets.

Ummmm, it doesn't quite work that way. You see, the Ukrainian military conscripts were killed by Kievan Yatzi Junta death squads as punishment for refusing to obey orders to murder civilians. Army conscripts murdered by their own government, no matter how much combat experience they gain while being slaughtered, will not be fighting the Russians.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:58 | 4785756 Oh regional Indian
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How Ironic, ZATO commander is General BreedLOVE FFS! Cannot make this up.

Fvking mercenaries...

All mercenary wars, everywhere....

Is the US Amry the world's largest mercenary force?

Worth asking that question.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:01 | 4785777 JoeSexPack
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Smedley Butler thought so.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:02 | 4785784 WTFx10
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Off course they are but the fighters on the ground don't benefit as much as their handlers. Its a sliding pay scale.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:40 | 4786272 COSMOS
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So true, the further you are away from the frontline the higher the pay.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:57 | 4786098 trader1
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hot off the presses: http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/pams/TP525-3-7.pdf The U.S. Army Human Dimension Concept http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/pams/p525-3-7-01.doc
The Operational Problem Current trends in the global and domestic operational environments will challenge the United States' ability to maintain a future responsive, professional, All-Volunteer Force. Soldiers will operate in an era of persistent conflict amongst populations with diverse religious, ethnic, and societal values. Faced with continuous employment across the full range of military operations, the Army will require extraordinary strength in the moral, physical, and cognitive components of the human dimension. Existing accessions, personnel, and force training and education development efforts will not meet these future challenges, placing at grave risk the Army's ability to provide combatant commanders the forces and capabilities necessary to execute the National Security, National Defense, and National Military Strategies. Solution Synopsis The Army will need to increase its human dimension focus in both the operational Army and Generating Force in order to meet future challenges and operate in an era of persistent conflict.  Improved capabilities must address the broad range of human dimension actions necessary to prepare, support, and sustain this force.  The Army must maintain a proper balance of moral, physical, and cognitive development with contributions from science and technology that can enhance Soldier physical and mental performance.  The Army must widen the community of practice in the human dimension to continue to explore how we can best recruit, train, and retain an all volunteer force that can operate across the entire range of military operations.
and an interesting bit relevant to any life circumstance:
Physically and mentally fit individuals are better able to pursue a proactive life with a more developed sense of purpose and understanding of their place in the world (worldview), greater control and work commitment, and openness to change and the challenges of life.  Even in the harsh environment of combat, they can make meaning out of their experiences, see opportunities to grow and learn, and help others to do so as well.  This contrasts with the person who feels powerless to affect both his current and future situation.  Studies clearly demonstrate that Soldiers with high hardiness levels when exposed to combat maintain higher morale and greater resilience to traumatic stress.  Predictably, hardy holistically fit leaders perform more effectively and garner greater respect from their subordinates.
Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:12 | 4786157 MrPalladium
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Translation: We have to reject 75% of applicants because they are low IQ high school drop out illiterates and innumerates or have criminal records.

We need to draft smart kids and whip them into shape.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:32 | 4786240 IndyPat
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It also helps when you are fighting for a just cause....instead of fighting for Popeyes and Carls Jr.

This document is exactly why they are putting all of their eggs in the DARPA basket.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:25 | 4786438 Omen IV
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"The Army must maintain a proper balance of moral, physical, and cognitive development with contributions from science and technology that can enhance Soldier physical and mental performance."

Psychotrophic Drugs...... have been reported in Odessa and the East Ukraine among the Right Sector Assault members

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:00 | 4785771 McMolotov
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Under heavy fire from mortars, grenade-launchers and heavy machine-guns, our boys died for Ukraine.

Your boys died for the IMF. Quit lying, mofo.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:46 | 4786030 franzpick
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Psaki: Other of our putsch boys using 75 round magazines in their assault rifles ended the separatist attack.

Reporter: But the 75 round assault magazine hasn't been invented yet.

Psaki: Yes, but the federalists don't know that.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:19 | 4786187 One of We
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Which is equal to saying they died for nothing just like our boys did and are doing in the various depleted uranium enriched sandboxes around the world.

Fucking bullshit!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:04 | 4785786 Son of Loki
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Gossip has it Rumsfield is running this clip non-stop while he has multiples....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:04 | 4785790 fonzannoon
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Breaking news billionaire owner of dallas mavericks says he avoids black people in hoodies late at night in back alleys.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:06 | 4785813 Tinky
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*unless he has his (6' 7" 270lbs) power forward Dejuan Blair accompanying him.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:12 | 4785846 Bastiat
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Once I was driving with my black boss in LA.  There was a black guy hitching at the entrance ramp, boss says:  Oh yeah, like someone's gonna pick your convict ass up and get their throat cut!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:25 | 4785918 power steering
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What kinda lame business you in that you have a black boss talking like that to passersby? Are you a wing man on a garbage truck?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:37 | 4786265 IndyPat
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Whatever, bitch.
Nothing more racist than a black cab driver in Memphis.
I used to have to flag them down for my black bar backs after the bar closed on Beale St.
They wouldn't pick up a black fair otherwise.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:07 | 4785821 pods
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Don't get me started on the Mexicans.

pods

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:36 | 4785995 Nacho.Libre
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Then let me get started. What is going on in the Ukraine is not nearly as deadly as what is going on in Mexico. This happened last month, the "unofficial" count of dead in that city for the week was 300. There are some other videos somewhere with a downed helicopter. This is right on the border.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/04/todays-reynosa-siege-in-photos.html

This is a couple of hours away in Tampico, but as you can see, what's going on still isn't nice.  And of course, these are only the reported cases.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/tampico-tamaulipas-dismembered-bodies.html

Oh, some of the pics are a bit graphic, so be forewarned

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:40 | 4786084 COSMOS
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:52 | 4786086 COSMOS
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That is a good site nacho thanks.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:06 | 4786138 Nacho.Libre
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You're welcome...

and You're welcome!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:36 | 4786881 August
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Just flesh wounds.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:12 | 4785847 McMolotov
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Mark Cuban: "I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro..."

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:41 | 4786010 Yes We Can. But...
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< Vote: Cross to other side of street

< Vote: Don't cross, take chances w/ hoodie-boy

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:07 | 4786143 MrPalladium
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Grab concealed carry arm.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:16 | 4786176 Volkodav
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off topic and stupid

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:03 | 4785796 Belrev
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The real story is that the Nazis from Ukraine's national guard attacked Ukrainian army reservists check point after they refused to kill civilians. That story is not reported by MSM. Do you really think pro-Russians have helicopters?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:07 | 4785817 Theta_Burn
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Better link that ASAP.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:05 | 4785808 pound the vix
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Wall Street said this was over, did they forget to tell Russia and Ukraine?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:06 | 4785812 novictim
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Big Mama Russia needs to soak her engorged pendulous breasts in blood, apparently.  

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:11 | 4785838 pods
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You must be a real hit at cocktail parties?

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:27 | 4785946 power steering
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You prefer Putin shirtless on horse?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:43 | 4786034 Yes We Can. But...
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+1 for the obviously homoerotic imagery

-1 for, uh, sumtin'

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:50 | 4786079 power steering
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You picked a poor day to wear your see thru leggings.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:47 | 4786292 novictim
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Putin is all about the "homoerotic".  That is his brand of appeal and mystique.  

Why do Russians (and Ukrainians) need to die just so that Putin can manage his subconscious self loathing?  

Why does anyone need to die for no other purpose than that Princess Putin needs to project himself as being a man?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:32 | 4786870 TheFourthStooge-ing
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novictim, engaging in transparent projection, said

Putin is all about the "homoerotic".  That is his brand of appeal and mystique.

That is a nice. Gives good clarification on your Putin obsessings. But hey, at least your unrequited love for him entertains.

Projection is a crazy thing for Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenism citizens.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:07 | 4787288 novictim
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I'll admit it.  That picture of Putin shirtless on the horse, well, who isn't "moved" by that one.  

But really, it's a toss up between Big Mama Russia Swinging her huge heavy breasts over my mouth, dribbling in drops of sweet, sweet mothers milk and her handlebar mustached Cossack giving me the what-for with the riding crop.  

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:27 | 4786215 pods
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"You prefer Putin shirtless on horse?"

You got all that from my quip?

Trying a bit too hard there captain.  

pods

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:13 | 4785853 McMolotov
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+1 for the vibrant imagery, -1 for the brainless idiocy behind it.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:40 | 4786275 TheFourthStooge-ing
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So Ukrainian Yatzi Junta citizenish. Only posturing. Keeping the face. Unable to speak of what unspeakable crimes they are actually doing.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:07 | 4785816 Tracerfan
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Some of this was likely "friendly fire", Ukr helicopter attached Ukr checkpoint after it was attacked by militias.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:23 | 4786204 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No militias involved. It was a Kievan Yatzi Junta death squad hit on soldiers who refused to murder civilians.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-22th-1932-u...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:57 | 4786561 Muc Metals
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UK helies were sent for cleaning action. They were shooting up "Private Bank" transporters used previously by "National Guard". NG scum had attacked ukrainian army conscripts who had refused attacking civilians.

 

Check those links posted by other ZH readers.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:13 | 4785854 ObamaDepression
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Unreported: Separtists are stealing ballots for the upcoming elections and kidnapping election workers.

A Fox reporter interviewed one of the separtists to ask why they were stealing ballots. The person interviewed said they were nolonger part of Ukraine.

The upcoming election is to have international observers.

It would seems only "some elections" are considered legitimate when the outome has been pre-deterimined.

I take no sides in this conflict except for the side of free elections and a free people.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:20 | 4785901 pods
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Your last statement is mutually exclusive.

pods

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:42 | 4786027 ObamaDepression
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I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

related in such a way that each thing makes the other thing impossible : not able to be true at the same time or to exist together

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mutually%20exclusive

 

Free elections require free people, ie. mutually inclusive.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:29 | 4786227 pods
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Keep digging.

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:17 | 4786180 MrPalladium
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"I take no sides in this conflict except for the side of free elections and a free people."

Oh, you mean like in the U.S. where both candidates are carefully vetted by oligarchs to pursue the same policies.

Show me an election in the U.S. where the outcome- in terms of policy choice - is not predetermined.

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:16 | 4785874 NDXTrader
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Who can argue this isn't good for business - only pansies and hippies. Krugman just popped a chub thinking of all the broken window Keynesism this is going to produce

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:16 | 4785877 Itchy and Scratchy
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These scenes must warm the heart of Asst Sec of State Victoria (F.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! Her dream come true!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:17 | 4785882 Seasmoke
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Shhhhhhhhhhh .............

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:20 | 4785907 NDXTrader
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"We're hunting wabbits" er, I mean making the stock market go up

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:27 | 4785921 tony wilson
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on der bbc today it reported dat child lover prince charles of london england said yesterday dat putin was der new hitler.

bbc and der royal tea only wants der best for us simple ton folks so its must bee trues.

eyes aint got a night hood or a obe or cbe no medals for heroics.

  den again i never liked the idea of kids being raped at eyes wide shuts parties usin babies blood to stay kissinger  alives

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:40 | 4786012 sangell
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Hitler was much taller and had more hair. Gave better speeches too.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:29 | 4786222 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Not a surprise coming from the Kievan Yatzi Junta war criminal apologist sangell. Viewing those speeches gets both inches of his pee pee hard.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:15 | 4786391 Canucklehead
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I'm curious.  How many accounts do you run here?  Judging sentance structure and topical diatribes, I'm guessing you have 3 or 4 nom-de-guerres.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:54 | 4786934 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Funny as a sea elephant.

But hey, your mental constructs amuse, so run wildly with them. Besides, your fantaisical illusions sustain you, and I am not so cruel as to deprive. You know, give you a chance, be a kind soul or something like that.

I am two of the Tyler Durdens, Simon Black, Jim Kunstler, and Zachary Zeck of The Diplomat. Does this sate your paranoia, or should I number more?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:00 | 4787312 novictim
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You had me at "sea elephant"!

I love Russia too...just not in the way you seem to.  I think you are a "good egg", stooge. It's just that love of country has driven you mad.  

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 22:56 | 4787233 novictim
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Are you saying, Canuck, that you have only ONE account?  OMG!

Does anyone besides yourself have just  one  account?  My other accounts are Volkodav, COSMOS, and The_Prisoner...I like to play both sides.

I'm currently working on a BOT that regurgitate Russian swear words under the nom de guerre "Wild_And_CRAZY_GUY" as well as one that seems to be an American Business man and always claims that the "Market Knows Best, Bitchz".  (Still coming up with the name on that last one!)

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:02 | 4787445 Volkodav
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lying idiot...

you sure need attention terribly..

did your mother drop you on your head while breastfeeding, and didn't want you after that?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:51 | 4786317 novictim
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I don't know about all them Rational Rocialists and their proposed Boncentration Bamps.  Seems fishy to me.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:45 | 4786910 August
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>>>prince charles of london england said yesterday dat putin was der new hitler.

FWIW Charles is getting pretty negative press for his Putin-Hitler remark, even in Western media which generally support the Anglo-American Empire.  But then again, everyone pretty much understands that Charles is an idiot, and can't reasonably be held responsible for what he says.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:38 | 4786001 JuliaS
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During WW2 British aerial campaign designed to eliminate industrial targets failed miserably, with less than 5% of bombs ever hitting objectives and more than 10% planes being lost on each run. So, Britain switched air generals and adopted "strategic bombing" currenly known as "carpet bombing" targeting German morale. Instead of risking lives sending soldiers against soldiers, they flew throusands of planes over civilian targets were refugees gathered to stay safe from military action leveling city after city.

The entire British strategy from that point forward amounted to strategic murdering of civilian population. Oh, and they were the good guys.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:56 | 4786097 messystateofaffairs
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American exceptionalism is evidenced by the deception and relentless brutality of that nation. From the way America handled the Native Americans, Slavery, after slavery, Japan in WWII, and rewrote history to make themselves look good. Quite frankly, if the truth be told, they look like shit. Their reality today is no different, only more exposed because of the internet. The world does not need America's "help".

Nuclear weapons was not America's only crime to the war they goaded Japan into. 

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:25 | 4786209 JuliaS
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Japan's one of my favorite subject when it comes to double standards, but I start sounding like a broken record here at ZH.

George Calin summed it up the subject long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bPiM0fkqSo

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:27 | 4786214 Son of Captain Nemo
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"The entire British strategy from that point forward amounted to strategic murdering of civilian population. Oh, and they were the good guys."...

Ah you are so accurate with this information but you forgot the Lymie's best friend and stooge that had the superior B-17's and B-24's to their shitty Lancasters to help make the annihilation of countless men, women and children a resounding success in places like Dresden...

Obviously you've read Kurt Vonnegut's "Armageddon in Retrospect"!

Once you've read Vonnegut's historical depiction you will projectile vomit in the general direction of your television screen when you watch the lies of motion pictures like Memphis Belle and how heroic our boys were in ensuring that their ordnance didn't kill too many innocent civilians!!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:50 | 4786314 JuliaS
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Vonnegut's indeed, one of my favorite authors, yet somehow the piece you mentioned never crossed me. It's going straight onto my reading list.

To be honest, even without knowing what was going on during WW1 and WW2, but it is enough to be witnessing all of the current wars and the amount of disinfomation surrounding them to figure all other weres were just like them. Remove the internet, leaving only the mass media coverage and you end up with the content of all of our history books.

I love digging up obscure diaries. I like discovering what it was like to be on both sides and what regular people thought of the war.

American exceptionalism? Yes, it exists, but back in WW2 each nation involved in the war used that tactic. Each government, instead of promoting peaceful co-existence, built myths. Americans thought they were special, Brits thought they were special, Italians, Germans and Japanese thought they were special.

While the losses brought some to realization that their self-confidence was an orchestrated sharade, others came out believing the lies even stonger.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:22 | 4786424 Son of Captain Nemo
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"While the losses brought some to realization that their self-confidence was an orchestrated sharade, others came out believing the lies even stonger."...

Well said indeed JS.

From a recommendation through another fellow ZeroHedger TheFourthStoog-ing... If you've never read Gruesome Harvest by Ralph Keeling it puts war and it's aftermath into perspective like no other. 

What the United States Government did to the Germans after their surrender is unimaginable and like what George Carlin spoke too in the video you previously provided we are and always have been the worst lot on this planet!

 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:45 | 4786506 Volkodav
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"Other Losses" James Bacque

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:12 | 4786619 JuliaS
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A return reading recommendation is "They Thought They Were Free" by "Milton Mayer". The only question that comes to mind when I read it is where we are chronologically with respect to Germany. We're definitely on the same path.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 20:50 | 4787041 Atticus Finch
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Interesting about Dresden. The Russian army was very near to Dresden and likely to take the city.

There are some historians that claim that Dresden was a warning to the Russian army, a display of destruction that might keep them from having bigger ideas.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:25 | 4786436 roadhazard
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When you have a psycho leader like Hitler or fanatical soldiers like Japan what ever you need to do to stop them is acceptable to me. For example, two atomic bombs Saved half a million AMERICAN lives and made nuclear war in the future something for the world to think about before doing that again. I can live with it.

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