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Europe's Soaring Revulsion Against "Europe" In One Chart

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Mario Draghi may have lied to Zero Hedge when saying there was no European "Plan B" (or Z), but he was right when he said that there has been a "vast amount of political capital that has been invested into the Euro." There is one problem: that political capital (like virtually every other form of capital in Europe) is evaporating at an unprecedented pace.

The following map from Votewatch may be in French, but what needs no translation is what Europe can expect following the 2014 elections for European Parliament which start today and continue until the 25.

In short - with the biggest projected "gainer" in the election, and a forecast winner in places like the UK, France, Denmark, Poland, Finland and others, being v, projected to gain 56 parliamentary seats to a record 177 (at the expense of popular European parties), the surge in the "revulsion and loathing" at the concept of a "united Europe" is unprecedented.

At this rate one more election and the Eurosceptics will be the single largest political block in a "United" Europe. We hope even hard line eurocrats can see the problem with that outcome.

So, Mr. Draghi, is it time for another political capital injection?


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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:10 | 4784214 GetZeeGold
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Europe's Soaring Revulsion Against "Europe"


We hate us!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:12 | 4784224 Quintus
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That's just the point.  'Europe' (or more correctly the EU) is NOT us.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:13 | 4784228 GetZeeGold
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It's a lot easier in the US.....we can just blame Bush.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:16 | 4784237 butchee
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Jeb 2016?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:29 | 4784251 GetZeeGold
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Jeb or Hillary, how we love our royalty.


As usual the media will sit back and take their paychecks and put out whatever is handed to them. It's not exactly a noble profession's more like snake oil.....but the money is green.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:38 | 4784297 philipat
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The peoples of European countries never voted for, and don't want, a "United States of Europe". They want individual sovereign States within a Free Trade Area, which IS what was voted for.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:46 | 4784329 moriarty
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I will be doing my bit (for what it is worth).

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 02:48 | 4787583 Haus-Targaryen
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This article is hilarious.

Do any of us actually think that the EU puppet-masters would let a pesky thing like democracy get in the way of their "Grand Experiment?"

Fuck no they won't. As the EU has already shown us in;

1) France (2005)
2) The Netherlands (2005)
3) Ireland (2010)
4) Italy (2012)
5) Greece (2012)

Plus, the ECJ banning, or in the alternative severely muzzling "right extremist groups"

The only thing that will change a damn thing in the EU and/or the EMZ is Greece going bankrupt and the ECB turning to France to cough up 20% of the fallout.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 10:20 | 4788374 Cap Matifou
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The goblin-like Rompuy sez: fuck that vote. Can't be more blatant than this.

Van Rompuy: If The Public Doesn't Want EU Expansion, 'We Do It Anyway'
Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:20 | 4784410 falak pema
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Just one probelm : Since Reaganomics days, the nation states of Europe are now insignifcant in terms of economic and energy independence, relative not only to supply sided and imperial Pax Americana, but also its subsequent globalist creations--- now some say as unintended consequence (haha)--collectively called Chindia/BRICS; of which Putin's Pipelineistan is now the looming menace to both USD and Euro monetary constructs.

Its wake up time for Europe; either as federal or as confederal construct. Going back to acrimonious nationalism and selfish devaluation and closed frontiers, à la WW1/WW2 colonial period, would be suicide as the world moves on. 

In any case, the current corruption of Pax Americana's super-duper baby : the US fiat hegemony, and more importantly, the fossil fuel hegemony-- short on legs and long on deadly pollution--is now looking ominous for first world current paradigm.

Its do or die time first world! We have to ask ourselves the RIGHT questions to come up with the RIGHT solutions.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:27 | 4784460 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I though that libtards favorite thing to do was bash the US and love on the EU? Self-hate is a strong thing.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:40 | 4784500 dontgoforit
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So you can read the majority on this as 'popular socialists'?  Kind of an oxymoron.  Fits though.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:43 | 4785678 Fuh Querada
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you must have been a committee person

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 02:50 | 4787582 Haus-Targaryen
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This dude is pre-occupied with biting his ear. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 22:46 | 4787285 Non Passaran
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Many anti-EU parties are more liberal (in the classical sense of the word) that current eurotrash leadership. The EU has become a new "soft" colonialist power, subverting sovereign states within the EU, in Europe and Africa. May it crash & burn!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:12 | 4784592 Yes We Can. But...
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Europeans want 'individual sovereign States within a Free Trade Area'?

I'm in the US, and that sounds like what some of us want here ...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:19 | 4785105 Totentänzerlied
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Free Trade does not mean free trade. It's just their supranational version of the UCC.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:51 | 4784958 25or6to4
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Exactly. What they got is Bussels telling Sweden how many wolves it should have in the wild or how many "refuges" it shall take in per year ect.,ect.,ect. Most individual European nations have more sovereign debt now than ever before with the added benefit of high unemployment . So much for the economic benefit arguement .

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:39 | 4784304 gatorengineer
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Bush is who the main stream media want.  If the repubs serve up another Rhino, Crusty/Ryan/Bush then they will get what they deserve, and would probably loose the house in 16 as well, because republican turnout will be zero.

Give us a Paul/Rubio/Cruz/Jindal to at least make it interesting


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:51 | 4784344 philipat
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For Fuck sake America, can't you find better than a fat cunt or a dumb shit out of 300 Million+ people? Of course, whatever, it's all just a distraction and makes fuck all difference to the Oligarchy...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:25 | 4784635 tiger uppercut
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Americans as a whole have been manipulated and subjugated by the media. We're pretty much at rock bottom right now.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:37 | 4784665 toady
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Agreed. I'm not a fan of either party, but the republican debates the last time around were like the clown car at the circus. Each clown was funnier than the last. I wish they'd come up with someone, ANYONE, but I know each one will be worse than the last again.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:08 | 4785523 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Mostly agree. But there was one guy in the republican race who made sense and spoke the truth every single time, and has been consistent throughout his 30 years or so in public office, which is probably why the moderators and press went out of their way to ignore him. Hopefully as a reader of this sight, you know who I am talking about

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:30 | 4785150 FeralSerf
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The Oligarchy runs and owns America now. Whoever is "elected" head sheepherder now has to be approved by the Oligarchs. Ron Paul didn't pass muster but Barry did pass, for example.

We have met the livestock and they are us.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:40 | 4784498 Puncher75
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I belive a Paul/Carson ticket is just what we need.  What's coming is still coming (and it's all bad), but I'd feel much better if there where men of honor who understand the Constitution at the helm. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:49 | 4784532 philipat
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If you mean RON Paul, I would be inclined to agree....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:14 | 4784599 813kml
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If Ron won he could create a new cabinet position to fully utilize Rand's talents:  Secretary of Sanitation

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:14 | 4784602 Yes We Can. But...
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There'd be a job waiting for Ron...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:40 | 4784313 negative rates
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Is there a translation for that, cause I don't speak new french.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:28 | 4784880 yogibear
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To lose in 2016 the GOP runs Jeb. Brilliant! It's a party with democrats disguised as republicans working to destroy the party.

Nice job Republicrats.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:14 | 4784233 Headbanger
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Gauche radicale !!


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:37 | 4784296 max2205
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Who said Fuck the EU?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:42 | 4784319 philipat
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The US State Department, in reponse to a Russian wiretap. Something the US would never do....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:57 | 4784568 GetZeeGold
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Well....not to our muslim allies anyway.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:04 | 4784583 philipat
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Well, no, Barry Soetoro would never agree to that. In Indonesia, ONLY Indonesians are able to go to public schools in Indonesia.And Barry went to public school in Indonesia. I know all that beacuse I have lived in Indonesia for over 30 years. So Barry must have acquired Indonesian Nationality, which with an Indonesian Father is very simple in a Muslim male-dominated  society. The thing, though, is this. Indonesian Law does NOT permit dual to acquire Indonesian Nationality requires surrendering any other Nationality???

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:32 | 4785161 FeralSerf
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There is no evidence that Barry ever became a naturalized American, so he's an illegal immigrant. He was never eligible to vote or run for public office in America. He should be deported back to Indonesia.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:50 | 4787496 TBT or not TBT
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President Biden

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 13:22 | 4789131 FeralSerf
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He's apparently constitutionally qualified unlike the current puppet in chief. Unfortunately the Constitution had no psychological requirements for the office of president.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 03:10 | 4787605 Dull Care
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Are there no patriots in the US Military, who supposedly protect our freedumbs and homeland, willing to arrest the Marxist SOB?


I'm more horrifed everyday the USSA. You couldn't write a dystopian novel better than this.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:48 | 4784590 philipat
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Sorry, Fat Finger Dup....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:18 | 4784244 Ghordius
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"...the Eurosceptics will be the single largest political block in a "United" Europe"

quite possible. yet... will they cooperate with each other? up to now it does not look like they will. note the verbal spats between Marine Le Pen and Nigel Farage, for example

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:23 | 4784255 Peter Pan
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I could never understand why EUROPE is not written as EU ROPE.

And why DRAGHI M is not written as DRAG HIM

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:29 | 4784280 DeliciousSteak
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They won't exactly cooperate, and UKIP for example will aggressively deny working with the national front, but their votes on issues will be surprisingly similar. Still, EU will be more of the same after this election. The "anti" block won't be nearly strong enough to have a major influence - unless parties like UKIP start stirring the pot in their national elections.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:41 | 4784312 free_lunch
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Is the NV-A a pro-Europe party?

"Without a doubt. The N-VA wants a stronger Flanders and a stronger Europe. After all, more and more challenges are arising in this globalised world that we must deal with at a supranational level. The macro level for us is the European Union. Competences that require a supranational approach must therefore be transferred to the European level (i.e. currency, defence, migration, internal market, energy, etc.)."

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:50 | 4784342 Ghordius
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yup: nearly all separatist movements in europe are... pro-europe. what they usually want is emancipation from their national unions, and a seat in the EU Council

this applies to Scotland, Flanders, the Italian regions, Catalonia, etc. etc.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:28 | 4785142 disabledvet
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Not so sure about that one euro dude. The map looks strangely like Nazi Germany in political terms actually. The one truly big difference is Poland...which didn't used to be there...let alone be that big...and now is.

Those are the big three in flash points in my book...Cyprus, Korea and Poland. To my knowledge Germany hasn't gone nuclear...but the end game of nuclearizing Iran sure seems to be that. Obviously they're the only good economy left in the Western World.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 03:42 | 4787632 piliage
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The irony of the EU, with a governance structure, central bank, and currency, is that is makes regional separatism possible.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 03:51 | 4787639 Ghordius
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piliage, lots of people here that have the exact opposite opinion. both the EU and the ECB are optional clubs. plenty of cases where countries option out

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:35 | 4784293 BrosephStiglitz
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It could be though.  All that money to hash-out major legislation, build political institutions, implement various agreements and the power structure isn't representative of the people's wishes at all.

Such a waste. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:42 | 4784511 dontgoforit
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Like a bunch of third graders voting for class clown.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:47 | 4784322 moriarty
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:16 | 4784608 813kml
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Excellent point, the EU does seem to like it in both holes.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:19 | 4784425 rbg81
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Europe always has been a bunch of competing tribes.  The purpose of the EU should be to keep them from killing each other.  Beyond that, it has just become a mechanism for German domination (economic and political) of the rest of Europe.  That, and a mechanism to ensure that Europe is flooded with Muslims -- no European in their right mind would think THAT is a good idea, but it is being imposed on them regardless.  Which explains the rise of these parties.  The common folk have had enough.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:44 | 4784518 dontgoforit
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The self-loathing comes from letting the shit happen that you know you didn't want to happen in the first place but being totally ineffectual in being able to stop it from happening anway.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:38 | 4784917 Ghordius
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I don't remember the EU inviting Pakistani and other Muslims from all over the British Empire to the UK. I also don't remember the EU inviting North African Muslims from the French Empire to France. I don't remember the EU inviting Turkish Muslims workers to Germany and Austria. I don't remember the EU inviting ME Muslims to Sweden...

in fact... it's not that I don't remember. it never happened. Muslims are in Europe thanks to national decisions, not because of the EU

the rest of your comment is also wrong. actually the only part that is correct is the word "tribes", though I'd write Nations

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:00 | 4784999 Kirk2NCC1701
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+42 for a factual and correct analysis, w/o the BS and personal bias.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:53 | 4787504 TBT or not TBT
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Statism has been very stupid on the national scale. The EU squares the stupid. This sucker's goin' down.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 03:03 | 4787596 Flybyknight
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Sort of long term payback for their colonization and exploitatation of africa  and other parts of the world in my book I wonder what America  will reap in the future.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:42 | 4784686 kchrisc
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In America DC is NOT us.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 03:06 | 4787600 Flybyknight
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Ok sorry bout that


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:13 | 4784230 PartysOver
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LOL, Self loathing: EU Style.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:28 | 4784277 Ghordius
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in defense of the euroskeptics: there is nothing about them that has to do with self loathing. in general they prefer the full sovereignty of their own nation states. which is their right to do and their right to express

the EU is only "something like the US" in the minds of our federalists and sometimes foreigners

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:47 | 4784335 free_lunch
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Is the NV-A a pro-Europe party?

"Without a doubt. The N-VA wants a stronger Flanders and a stronger Europe. After all, more and more challenges are arising in this globalised world that we must deal with at a supranational level. The macro level for us is the European Union. Competences that require a supranational approach must therefore be transferred to the European level (i.e. currency, defence, migration, internal market, energy, etc.)."



The above is what will be decided by the unelected commision.

So what is left for the elected ones? (the local governments who handed these powers over) 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:59 | 4784364 Ghordius
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"local governments"? why do you talk like an American? I thought you were a Brit? the proper term is national governments (of the sovereign EU members)

who appoints the commission? the EU Council, aka the national governments

who approves or rejects or recalls the commission? the elected EU Parliament (and/or the EU Council)

this "unelected" applies as well to nearly every PM and government of Europe... including Cameron's cabinet

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:04 | 4784380 free_lunch
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To me it's obvious who pays your bills sir..

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:09 | 4784393 Ghordius
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free lunch, your's is not an argument. please answer my question: why do you call Her Britannic Majesty's Government... local?

the same applies to the governments of the Fifth French Republic, the Italian Republic, the German Federal Republic, etc. etc.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:23 | 4784437 Uncle Remus
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That's not how they see it from Brussels.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:30 | 4784473 Ghordius
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you don't mean free_lunch is on the pay of Brussels, don't you? yesterday I understood that he is British, and now he talks about local governments as if he was a staunch european federalist. allow me some confusion about that

who is Brussels, btw? the parliament? the council? the commission? the critters on the EU payrolls? the last two groups are paid to "think European", so they might be excused to do so

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:31 | 4784893 Uncle Remus
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No, I mean how Brussels sees your alleged national governments - local yokels - as it were. Europe, in the old sense, is fucked. Given how long you folks have been at it (and each others throats), you'd think you'd know better.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:04 | 4784491 free_lunch
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Maybe, some day we'll meet and have an honest private discussion about life and politics. In the mean time, we will just have to watch how things turn out, because nobody has all the answers.. Democracy for example could be defined as decisions made by numbers instead of by reason, which could lead to chaos..

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:32 | 4784895 Uncle Remus
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Give us a heads up. I'll call my bookie.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:05 | 4784383 shovelhead
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Fines for stray dogs.*

*That do not cross national borders.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:47 | 4784332 asscannon101
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We hate us for our freedoms!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:27 | 4784465 meghaljani
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We hate us for our socialism. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:37 | 4784492 JRobby
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Bingo! The disease of debt addiction staring back in the mirror. "We don't like what we see"

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:12 | 4784220 Quintus
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"So, Mr. Draghi, is it time for another political capital injection?"

Depends.  Can you produce political capital on a printing press?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:23 | 4784257 Ghordius
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"whatever it takes" was and is still based on the political capital Draghi mentioned. and you know what? he was right in his answer, ZH in general has still not understood what political capital is. it comes with the "ideological territory" of "terminal disillusionement with all things political"

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:29 | 4784276 Skin666
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Political Capital runs out when actual capital runs out.


The EU will be dead inside this decade.


Three fucking cheers

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:30 | 4784283 Ghordius
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quite possible. and? I'm talking about the EUR, here. a completely different club supported by a completely different political consensus than the EU

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:00 | 4787511 TBT or not TBT
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Both. 1920 looked way different in Europe than 1910. Shit happens. In Europe. Frequently.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:12 | 4784223 Old Man River
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Things is getting so hot my hens is laying hardboiled eggs...


Contagion, folks. It's coming.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:02 | 4784577 Hulk
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They are not actually laying hard boiled eggs, what is occurring is that your hens are too close together. See, each hen has a body temperature of 107 degrees and with two hens close together, that adds up to 214 degrees, which, at sea level, is over the boiling point of water !!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:21 | 4784628 813kml
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Hmmm, so that means a dozen hens together would be enough to collapse a steel-framed structure.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:50 | 4784950 Hulk
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Precisely why hen houses are never made from steel I-beam !!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:16 | 4785085 813kml
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I build my hen houses out of sand, they quickly turn to glass.  Pretty cool, it's like a big ant farm.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:04 | 4785286 piceridu
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Now it makes sense...I heard there were hen houses in the Twin Towers and Building 7

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:08 | 4784794 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 214 degrees!

I like your math there Hulk!  LOLOLOL...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:13 | 4784227 blindman
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ignorance is strength.
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
keep it up.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:58 | 4784366 WillyGroper
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I do enjoy that clip with Corbett's voice dripping with sarcasm.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:13 | 4784229 jubber
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These people must be interned and re-educated immediatly

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:24 | 4784245 GetZeeGold
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You need to speak to Jeb Bush.....he's the Common Core re-education czar. He's making a killing on in follow the money.


I hear he might be running for President.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:42 | 4784503 JRobby
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It can all be fixed by the purchase of more standardized testing by your local district. Same movie, same plot line, same outcome.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:13 | 4784526 GetZeeGold
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purchase of more standardized testing by your local district.


You're getting very much does one of those tests cost again?

Do we have any big time reporters around here? Surely one of you guys should know the answer to that question.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:14 | 4784232 Sudden Debt
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Our winner will be indeed NVA with about 37% of the votes.

And already, all the other parties have agreed to go together after the elections and form 1 team so the winner won't get a seat in the parlement.

so ask yourself this...

1. People vote for 5 different parties.

2. 4 of them will change their agenda after the elections as they say... and do just that what the people voted against.

3. The winner will be held out just like last time.



And what fucking bothers me most is that people will still vote for all those smaller parties even when they know that they'll change course right after the elections.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:26 | 4784266 DeliciousSteak
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And already, all the other parties have agreed to go together after the elections and form 1 team so the winner won't get a seat in the parlement.


Funny, that's exactly what has happened in other places where "eurosceptics" and other "antiestablishment" parties have managed to make large gains before. It's almost like they're somehow being directed from somewhere.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:07 | 4784388 andyupnorth
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The political class do not represent the people. This is why they spend an increasing amount of money to try to convince us that they are one of us. And a lot of that money comes from extremely wealthy sociopaths, who are not representative of society.

There must be a way to increase the likelihood of having a government that reflects the majority, who I believe are generally honest and hard working people.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:31 | 4784477 Advoc8tr
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Here in Oz we already get issued with a digital identity certificate to perform all our taxation bullshit online ... there is no reason we can't have a modern direct democractic republic with regular votes on lots of issues. Keeping the people actively egaged would be a good thing also.  referendum night once a week = 20 mins on the laptop logging in and voting.

Some sort of open source distributed voting platform would give extra confidence. All doable easily but for the initial political will to hand back the power.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:18 | 4786838 StychoKiller
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Search for "Tyranny of the Majority" to find out WHY Democracy is not a good idea...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:36 | 4784292 _ConanTheLibert...
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Can't the NVA then force new elections?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:45 | 4784327 Ghordius
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the NVA is one of the parties Sudden Debt is mentioning. and frankly I have no clue what he is talking about

the Flemish separatist party in Belgium called New_Flemish_Alliance (NVA) had seats in the old EU Parliament, and it looks it will have seats in the new one

I presume he is ranting about the other four major parties in Belgium

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:24 | 4784445 _ConanTheLibert...
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He's talking about Belgian elections, not European.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:39 | 4784672 free_lunch
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Sudden debt has childisch views. He thinks he's voting against the system..
He thinks NVa is CHANGE, where have I heard that before?


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:47 | 4784333 unknwn
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But...but... they might actually take measures that *GASP* WORK. This will not stand, man! So...rainbowcoalitions for everyone!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:51 | 4784346 FlyingDutchman
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Makes you think who really pulls the strings no?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:33 | 4784638 free_lunch
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And NVA will transfer all powers to EU!!!

So what is the difference, no matter who you vote for, the wote ends up in Brussels, where the laws, the financials, the bank bail out/in are made. And the borders are being set wide open for all poor countries to come and take your pension money and your social security where you have payed for all your life..

Can you tell me what diference it makes trough wich party the vote gets transfered?

Is the NV-A a pro-Europe party?

"Without a doubt. The N-VA wants a stronger Flanders and a stronger Europe. After all, more and more challenges are arising in this globalised world that we must deal with at a supranational level. The macro level for us is the European Union. Competences that require a supranational approach must therefore be transferred to the European level (i.e. currency, defence, migration, internal market, energy, etc.)."

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:51 | 4784723 free_lunch
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Mr. Genious,

Can you define your kind of democracy for me?

If 37% votes blue, that means 63% DO NOT WANT BLUE!

So it is completly democratic to avoid blue.

Democracy is rule by numbers instead of rule by reason.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:14 | 4784820 Ghordius
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I think I can (not assuming you were talking to me, though)

proportional electoral system example: 33% vote blue (conservative), 27% vote red (socialist), 20% vote liberal (yellow), 20% vote smaller parties and seats in parliament are apportioned in proportion to those votes

nobody has a majority... hence there is the need for coalitions. either blue/red (60%) or blue/yellow (53%) or even red/yellow (47%), the last one quite usual in Scandinavian countries

appointments of government cabinets (executive) and laws need a majority in parliament

interestingly, the very voting system usually fosters consensus-seeking politics, while the system more common in English-speaking countries is more confrontative and based on a "Winner takes all" principle where what you just described happens very often

(though currently the British government is a coalition between conservatives and liberal democrats, too)

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:16 | 4784239 williambanzai7
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:36 | 4784662 Cathartes Aura
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hahahahhh, nice one.

I hope you save this template for the incoming voter-games state-side Mr. Banzai.

Jeb, Rand, PaulRyan, a few others. . . their collective heads would certainly make a point, were anyone paying attention.

for maximum dissonance, I'd have some braying radio me-duh heads on the clap'd out audience. . .

eeeHAW, eeeeHaw. . .

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:17 | 4784241 agstacks
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"We feel comfortable adding more political captial in June"

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:25 | 4784246 Smegley Wanxalot
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Wait.  Where is West Ukraine on this map? Did the EU really kill Ukrainians just to deny the survivors of Brussels' tyranny?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:20 | 4784250 Hindenburg...Oh Man
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did someone get the job numbers early? Gold spiked. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:26 | 4784267 Sudden Debt
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shit... can't have that now do we...


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:40 | 4784308 GetZeeGold
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Who's doing that? Stop it immediately!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:28 | 4784273 Hindenburg...Oh Man
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And platinum almost up to 1500 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:50 | 4784315 GetZeeGold
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Rhodium is going to follow.....and all hell is gonna break loose...stop the madness before it's too late.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:28 | 4784275 Peter Pan
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Don't get excited my friend. After every spike in price, they manage to stick a spike into it.

We are going to have to wait for the truth a little longer to manifest itself fully in the price of gold.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:39 | 4784300 BrosephStiglitz
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Yup.  Waiting for the dump now.  In fact, I hope there is a dump.  I need prices low until my salary comes through next month.  Would be mighty unfortunate to have to buy at a premium.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:22 | 4784254 LawsofPhysics
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Any charts available on "the states revulsion against D.C." on the other side of the pond?


same as it ever was.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:25 | 4784264 IridiumRebel
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I'd say its around 34 right now.....soon to be 40+.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:39 | 4784668 Cathartes Aura
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is that age demographic numbers?

or just angry dissenters, in total. . .

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:27 | 4785602 IridiumRebel
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number of pissed off feminists

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 22:59 | 4787311 Cathartes Aura
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nice try, but no voters applied.

better luck next time.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:24 | 4784260 no more banksters
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Juncker-Verhofstadt: Lobbies and groups of interests in the EU are unavoidable!

A good example of neoliberal “rationalism”


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:24 | 4784261 IridiumRebel
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Send in Diebold to do the voting!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:35 | 4784291 GetZeeGold
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I hear the Defense Department is now sponsored by Diebold....not sure how that happened.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:53 | 4784544 dontgoforit
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Same way the State Department is sponsored by Glock.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:25 | 4784262 buzzsaw99
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shackled to the euro, withering on the vine.

...don't cry into your gruel [/Mr. Bumble]

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:27 | 4784268 Devotional
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Well, in Portugal every party is socialist by nature and calls for EU integration in one form or the other. This place is a sell out to its ancestors who fought for a sovereign state. 

I am NOT voting on 25 May 2014. I have STOPPED voting altogehther.

Either a new shift in politics happens here with more libertarian views or I ain't voting again. Smaller government, no central bank, no welfare state, less taxation, sound money and direct democracy. Until that happens count me out of voting.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:49 | 4784339 Portuguese Revo...
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Dude, I'm Portuguese too and I vote BLANK... Just to mess with the fuckers.

A new paradigm will only happen if WE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:11 | 4784400 andyupnorth
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Agreed. A new paradigm for government is the only way. But it must be introduced into the current political model and provide an alternative that the people can choose.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:56 | 4784559 dontgoforit
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And one that doesn't destroy everything in existence to be instituted.  And yet, we Americans have our Constitution - and it is a righteous document indeed.  But getting the politicians to honor it is becoming a circus.  You've got a framework, but builders who want to add townhomes of their own on your platt.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:42 | 4784687 Cathartes Aura
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I am NOT voting on 25 May 2014. I have STOPPED voting altogehther.

stop voting ALL - TOGETHER - that's what the "vote" intends, a groupthink meme that binds your THOUGHTS to THEIR SYSTEM.

remove the parasite-thoughts, reclaim your mind, disengage, and reclaim your local community, friends and family.

be vigilant in this, or be co-opted into fighting THEIR memes.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:02 | 4785778 Comte d'herblay
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:01 | 4785779 Comte d'herblay
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I stopped in 1996. the next election after the Republicans here gained power, for first time in t 40 years in the house and senate, thanks to the stumbling, bumbling, unethical, immoral, criminal behavior of one william fefferson clinton, and then turned right around and proved themselves to be just as immoral, bumbling, stumbling, criminal, and worse hyppcrites than the democrats.

I'm with you. 

And George Carlin.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:28 | 4784270 jaap
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Sorry, but D666 (or D88 as some call them) is the most pro EU party. Their leader was together with the PM the only other Bilderberg guess from the Dutch politicians.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:49 | 4786519 free_lunch
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Just like NV-A.

My gues it's controlled opposition, to redirect voters from real uncontrolled opposition PVV (NL) and VB (BE)

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:29 | 4784281 Comte d'herblay
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The "One Worlders", the entire notion of consolidation, the amalgamation of disparate entities, the intentional drowning of differences, be they rational or not, the 
"Tan"  world that "united" implies, all the mergers, acquisitions, and joint ventures of separate, successful businesses has resulted in the gradual elimination of human beans by the billions.  

We know that they were thinking when the likes of Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky along with their other indicted and imprisoned amalgamators went on an LBO spree, hocking the future for the present gains of big fees, paid of course with borrowed trillions from banks.

The very best thing that could happen would be a dissolution of all unions deleterious to the people, not the power grabbers, but real live human beans, not bean counters.

Barring a global coming apart, because the 'center can not hold', the next best solution is a halt to all future 'marriages'.  The next next big thing would be for the countries, banks, and other entities like GM deemed to big to fail, be dissolved at the next board meetings.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:26 | 4784639 813kml
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An asteroid extinction level event would be more realistic.  And humane.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:58 | 4785758 Comte d'herblay
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My preference is for a more targeted offensive.  If jihadists seeking 72 nubile virgins  would simply pick the Jewish Mafia, their accomplices, and their bank accounts, the outporing of gratitude from the masses would overwhel them and they would seek a lasting peace.

Win win.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:34 | 4784288 random999
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Europe has been infested by hordes of muslim immigrants that in general (of course its never 100%) do 2 things: #1 getting their social wellfare, #2 making trouble


Media are making propaganda against the "rising facism in europe", however reality is there. As long european politicians continue to import millions of unemployed people who are not interested in adopting to our society, nationalistic parties will only continue to grow until one day the shit hits the fan.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:52 | 4784355 Portuguese Revo...
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Dude, there IS a rising tide of fascism in Europe, but not the ones that media is pointing out...

Deustche Bank fascism is the one fucking all europeans up.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:24 | 4784861 random999
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Well its clearly not the real facists (as per definition) that the media are refering to

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 06:24 | 4787739 hot sauce technician
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That's the media's job: obfuscate. MSM is owned by banks. Banks like mild chaos because it preserves status quo. A smattering of Muslims is ok, because fiat can support them. And big business/deep gvernment will get reciprocated in turn with votes. But what happens when welfare taking, unproductive members of society become too numerous?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:13 | 4786627 free_lunch
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 10:21 | 4784627 joego1
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The whole world is infested with these hordes. Someone turned off your green button. Maybe the tylers are afraid.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:35 | 4784290 Angelo Misterioso
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Mario "vast amount of political capital that has been invested into the Euro" Druggie has never heard of Malinvestment? 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:39 | 4784305 NoIdea
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Yes, Europeans hate the idea of a united Europe so much that millions of Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians etc move to the UK to work; over one million British moved to live in Spain, millions of Turks moved to work in Germany, the wealthy French and Greeks are moving en masse to London...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:46 | 4784328 gatorengineer
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177 out of 751 is irrelevant....  Just about the same percentage of fiscal conservatives/constitutionalists here in the US 20% give or take.  The only good news I see in the graph is that the greens are getting marginalized.....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 08:53 | 4784356 NoWayJose
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There is scarcely any 30 year period in Europe when there hasn't been a war of some kind. Post WWII is a rare exception, due mainly to the dominance of the US and the Soviet Union ( if you can call the Cold War as peace). With the breakdown of the Soviet Union and with US influence self destructing, the timer has been re-set. If eastern and western Ukrainians can't get along, how can more far flung countries - with far different populations and financial conditions - stay at peace.

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