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Hot On The Heels Of Its China Breakthrough, Russia Set To Build Eight Nuclear Power Plants In Iran

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Before anyone suggests that all Russia is focusing on is China at any and all costs, consider that as we have been saying since 2012, perhaps just as important to Russia (and China) strategically is Iran which has already lashed out against the Petrodollar on numerous occasions in the past, not only for its vast oil reserves, but for its even more strategic location in the heart of the Persian Gulf.

To be sure, the Eurasian crescent of Russia and China would be made all that much stronger if the two nations had a toehold on the Straits of Hormuz, and were able to shut traffic - either tanker or military, with the US Fifth Fleet located in Bahrain - into the Gulf at their bidding. Which is why it was not surprising that not even 24 hours after Russia and China announced the "holy grail" energy deal, that RIA reported Russia is already preparing to lock in the Tehran regime with a deal to build not one but 8 (!) more nuclear power plants in the country.

From RIA:

Moscow may sign an intergovernmental agreement with Teheran this year to build eight new reactors for nuclear power plants in Iran, a source close to the negotiations told journalists Thursday.


Two reactors could be built at the Bushehr Power Plant and six reactors at other sites, the source said, adding that the talks were in their final stage.


Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier this week that Russian-Iranian cooperation will continue despite international turbulence around Tehran. Putin said that Russia and Iran are not only neighbors, but also long-standing reliable partners.


Iran’s only nuclear power plant near Bushehr came online September 2011 and began operating at full capacity a year after. Moscow handed over operational control of the Russian-made plant to Iran in September last year.

A deal, it goes without saying, that would have China's explicit and implicit blessing.

And cue the US foreign department collapsing in an apopleptic fit of sheer powerlessness, if many, many "costs" for all those involved.


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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:50 | 4784953 alien-IQ
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Oh, this is gonna provide for lots and lots of laughs.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:55 | 4784976 dryam
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The pieces on the worldwide chessboard are moving faster than ever.

Hedge accordingly.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:56 | 4784979 maskone909
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cue bibby with his cartoon drawings

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:01 | 4785008 knukles
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Far, very far from anything like a Putin supporter, one nevertheless has to absolutely marvel at the balls the man has.  None of this shit has been extemporaneous.  Its been planned way in advance, taking advantage of impotent western leadership.
Think of it.... even the gold...  
The Western central banks push the price down, the East buys the shit up as fast as they can... and then decide to depart the dollar.
Let alone the resurrection of the global power of a new China-Soviet Empire.
Absolutely fucking brilliant 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:07 | 4785043 john39
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he saw reality for what it is, and planned accordingly.  planned well i might add.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:13 | 4785065 Bindar Dundat
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Putin is playing high speed chess and Obama is trying to figure out how the knight moves and why both red and black Kings taste the same.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:19 | 4785102 SafelyGraze
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this story is not very msm-worthy

on the other hand, this one is:

hello ndaa? yeah, hi. this is topus. listen, I've got a name for you to add to the list, ok? great.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:25 | 4785130 ilion
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Let's stop buying products made by the US companies and thus force the status quo into misery. Real Americans would hopefully then emerge.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:30 | 4785151 john39
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buy only what you need... buy local and small if you can.  starve the global corporations and banks...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:33 | 4785163 Latina Lover
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Putin 3

Obama 0

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:22 | 4785917 BlindMonkey
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Wait. You wouldn't count the mass importation of cheap, unskilled labor as a win for Barry?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:44 | 4786041 Portuguese Revo...
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You guys seem to forget that the US President is an accomplice in this whole thing...

Remember this?

That's what he meant by more flexibility after the election! Isn't he being flexible?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:21 | 4786195 Four chan
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true, who ever they pick for us, to be president, is still some puppet they picked. reject the two party system restore the constitution. kick that deadbeat apple out of the country.


one day the word treason will regain its relevancy.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:38 | 4786267 john39
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Russia and China also blocked a UN resolution on Syria today.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 20:07 | 4786959 palmereldritch
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:47 | 4786303 zerozulu
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Once you bypass the $, you get worth the value of your stuff.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:46 | 4786512 squib
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Hey! Mos Eisley! Really though, we have found a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:38 | 4785190 New Ordnance
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Check out "The Rocky Mountain Corn project".

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:16 | 4785326 dontgoforit
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Looks like 'mini-reactors' - but I suppose collectively they can produce a ton of plutonium worthy material. 

Where are they getting all the water to cool these puppies?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:17 | 4785561 TheMeatTrapper
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I'm sharing some of the corn I bought with a friend this weekend. Mine is growing like wild fire. Excellent corn.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:31 | 4785611 SoilMyselfRotten
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AIPAC is gonna have something (ridiculous) to say about this!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:30 | 4785582 cowdiddly
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Growing a crop of Tru-Gold Open pollinated corn as we speak.  I also have 20 stalks (Only got 20 seeds from the indian in a trade) of an extremely rare Hopi Indian parching corn growing just to get seed. Its a small corn that will still produce if for some reason fertilizers become hard to source. Got about 30 plants of hard to find(from Pre Civil war times) Whipporwill peas. These things will grow and still produce in a drought. I found about 50 old seed in a coffee can in my late grandfathers shed after he died 10 years ago. Seeds was so old only about half came up.  Growing lots of stuff this year just for seed to get enough for real crops next year.

I have been collecting rare seeds for a long time of things that will grow in shit conditions and never grew them out because I have better producing varieties. For some reason a little birdy told me to plant them this year to get more seed.

But, I'm just a dumb indian, what do I know?  Nothing, I know this dumb Indian is going to eat no matter what.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:34 | 4785986 ZerOhead
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Just knowing HOW to grow your own food by actually growing it is about the smartest thing anyone can do these days regardless of how much you grow.

Fortunately I have loads of water and rich organic acidic soils so it's blueberries and melons for me...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 20:51 | 4787046 New Ordnance
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You bring back a flood of memories.

I learned to grow blue corn in New Mexico and met a few of the Hopi Grandfathers from Old Oraibi? Second Mesa? David Monongye sp?. It was many years ago and don't know if my memory is accurate.

One thing I do remember though, is how good they were at bringing the rain down for the corn.  I still have little leather bags for juniper and corn meal that I used to bring to some of the ceremonials.

Those times seem like they were on another planet compared to life today.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:06 | 4787076 New Ordnance
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I am sure the diverse gene pool of the Painted Montain Corn we are growing up here in Montana has some of those Hopi ancestors. Painted Mountain was developed from over 50 lines of almost extinct western pioneer and Indian varieties ranging from Canada to Mexico.

It's encouraging to learn that you are committed to this kind of work in your area.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:20 | 4785903 Kirk2NCC1701
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"I study nuclear science, I love my classes
I got a crazy teacher who wears dark glasses
Things are going great, and they're only getting better
I'm doing all right, getting good grades
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades"

Funny how the protest song by Timbuk3 got a completely different 'spin' by the MSM.  Some will recall that Bruce Springsteen's song "Born in the USA" was/is actually a protest song also, but got 'flipped' into a patriotic song.

And then you wonder why libertarians are skeptical or cynical.  We are neither.  (We have simply been mislabeled/misbranded by the MSM.)  Rather, we are just Realists.  And...

"Realists are Optimists with life experience", IMO.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:31 | 4785157 pelican
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When you are O, what does it matter?  He is too busy looking out for the rights of the transexuals in the military, and JPM and Goldman Sachs returns.



Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:20 | 4785347 Doña K
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O'Bummer is just a boy scout facing a grizzly bear in the woods with his pants down. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:44 | 4785431 rocker
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Putin can jump too. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:35 | 4786716 noob
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united in their quest for screwing you... too.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:33 | 4787385 jeff montanye
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down but not off would be a negative for a grizzly, imo.

rare, in any case.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 21:07 | 4790222 IronForge
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He's Playing 3-Dimensional Chess while TEAM_USA, running on Brzezinski, Cheney, and Nuland's guidance, had been playing a dishonest version of Checkers...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:16 | 4785089 BigJim
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If I were one of Israel's targets, the last thing I'd want are highly radioactive substances within my borders that they could bomb and spread.

Imagine the effect on Japan if 'someone' bombed Fukushima. U235 nukes are just disasters waiting to happen.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:22 | 4785114 Cathartes Aura
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I'd imagine the retaliation and subsequent fall-out might be intense.

for everyone.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:34 | 4785169 New Ordnance
Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:50 | 4785241 sushi
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My bet is that there will be thoughts along the following lines:

"Hmm. Cannot have rogue states bombing construction sites that house my workers. Therefore I need to defend my workers from atack. Therefore I need to deploy S-400 AAM to Iran. Problem solved."

Such action would make any air attack on Iran extremely costly.

Putin 4+

BarryO  10 -


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:52 | 4785726 shovelhead
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I wouldn't be surprised if those ss-400's are already in Iran and are up and active.

Keeps the foxes out of the henhouse.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:41 | 4787396 jeff montanye
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further upthread, should israel attack iran's nuclear facilities without itself first being attacked by iran, that would fracture israel's support in ways similar but graver than the ukraine has the u.s.'s.


Fri, 05/23/2014 - 21:21 | 4790267 IronForge
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Frack that.

They'll probably station Intermediate Range Mobile Ballistic Missiles / TBMs and Cruise Missile Platforms supporting the Construction Sites - just to show a bit of deterrence...

...they can claim theyonly carry Conventional Warheads...


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:45 | 4786038 ZerOhead
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I can't imagine after all those years of hearing Bibi whine about the existential threat to Israel that Iran's existence poses that 8 more reactors will decrease the probabilty of a "preventative" attack.

This deal pretty much is an IN YOUR FACE middle digit display to the NeoCons from Iran and Putin... so there is no way for Obama & friends to back down now without going into the history books as complete losers.

Wherever you decide to live... downwind of Iran is no place you want to be...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 20:44 | 4787028 fattail
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If the cost to bomb the nuke site wasn't to high it would have already happened.  Eight more reactors just make the costs that much higher and the operation to take them out more dangerous and less likely to succeed.

Maybe Obama and his master's see this as the last best chance to start world war three and that is just something they can not pass up?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:46 | 4787408 jeff montanye
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with, if they fail in their main chance, the destruction of the petrodollar, the humiliation of the american empire and a world crash as a consolation prize. you wonder about their mental health.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:26 | 4785133 john39
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Iranians and Russians are no dummies, so you can bet this has been addressed.  Think about it.  The Iranians have stood, almost alone, against the global empire for decades... and they are still standing despite all that has been done to them.  there is more happening here than meets the eye.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:37 | 4785185 Jonas Parker
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Given the Russian's propensity for faulty designs and construction (Chernobyl, anyone?) I'll put the Iranians on my prayer list... or maybe not...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:55 | 4785263 Tarshatha
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"Given the Russian's propensity for faulty designs and construction (Chernobyl, anyone?) "

There was nothing wrong with the design of Chernobyl. Human error, and poor judgement.

"To get accurate results from the test, the operators turned off several of the safety systems, which turned out to be a disastrous decision" No fucking kidding!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:45 | 4785434 Redneck Hippy
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"There was nothing wrong with the design of Chernobyl. Human error, and poor judgement."

And of course, the new Iranian masters of these reactors never make errors and will have excellent judgment.

Nukes have to be idiot-proof.  Witness Fukushima.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 23:52 | 4787424 jeff montanye
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true, and i'm no advocate of most nuclear power, but i've got to believe any russo-iranian installation of these reactors will be immensely more remote from the outside environment than ocean view, with a reduced sea wall, on the ring of fire.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:53 | 4785472 ObamaDepression
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Except that they didn't even have a containment vessel the way EVERY OTHER NUKE PLANT IN THE WOLD HAS.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:28 | 4785600 COSMOS
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So a two thousand ton reactor lid not good enough for you Obama?

Hey look at how well your containment vessel did in Fukushima, blown apart to smitherenes like they just weren't there

Here is a chernobyl model

more pics at the bottom of page

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:09 | 4785831 Quantum Nucleonics
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Uh, actually there were numerous serious flaws with the design of Chernobyl.  Yes, human error was the trigger, but using graphite as a neutron moderator was the reason that the Chernobyl accident was as bad as it was.  The graphite caught fire when the core melted down.  The burning graphite lifted radioactive particles high into the atmosphere.  Had Chernobyl been a boiling water reactor , like Fukushima - it not even being a modern deisng, the accident would likely have been localized to the power plant.  Had the power switching equipment been properly designed, they wouldn't have needed the to do the test that triggered the accident.  If the reactor had a pressurized containment vessel and the control rods been properly designed, the human error wouldn't have triggered the meltdown.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:26 | 4785931 COSMOS
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Dude, I guess you missed the articles on Plutonium from Fukushima being found all over the world.  What about Fuku poisoning the entire Pacific to boot.  And how did human error work out for you in Fukushima when they knew they had to make the damn sea wall higher and didnt.  Or they put their backup generators in the basement.  And you talk about FUKU being localize to the plant?????  Are you for real, I knew you were spouting BS the moment you said FUKU was contained.  Did you see the explosions on TV?  I would hate to see how you define not contained.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:14 | 4786629 disabledvet
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actually one of the more interesting aspects of the "Russian design" was "the lack of needing containment period." When that thing blew they said it was like "the Northern Lights in July."

So relative to gamma ray bursts Fukushima was kinda a disappointment. I did see Tesla has gone strongly over apparently "Iran is also big on the export list as well."

I don't think Putin has any clue what he is doing actually. I do think electricity prices are about to skyrocket in the USA in many places. The price of ice in Arizona has gone up dramatically..and contrary to popular view they have no shortage of water in that State...although I here California is getting roasted pretty good.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 22:18 | 4787231 COSMOS
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You don't read above do you, there was a 2000 ton reactor lid on that thing and it got blown up into the air and landed back down on the reactor at Chernobyl.  I also take it you didnt see those explosions at Fuku blowing to smitherenes those buildings and reactors.  Listen when things go CRITICAL it dont matter how much steel and concrete you put on top of the thing, its going to BLOW.  And it will blow like an organ like it did at FUKU, one after the other.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:44 | 4786019 Jonas Parker
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Thanks, QN! Obviously Tarshatha's area of expertise is NOT nuclear power plants. Too bad he/she/it posted before knowing the facts... JP


FWIW, the two English words that every Russian knows are "it's broke!"

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 22:19 | 4787234 COSMOS
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I thought it was the words FUCK THIS

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:49 | 4786307 DannoH
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Using graphite as the moderator was not a flaw, it was designed into the reactor from the beginning. Look at the reactors at Hanford and Oak Ridge; if you want to make high quality plutonium it is the way to go. The positive coolant void coefficient was a byproduct of the mission of the reactor; the true design flaw was allowing the safety systems that prevented that particular characteristic of the reactor design to be bypassed. Which leads to the final point that designing any system against deliberate acts of sabatoge is essentially impossible.

Natural Controls (TRIGA UZrH Fuel) > Engineered Controls (rods cannot be withdrawn in a manner that causes k >> 1) > procedural controls (dont pull out all the rods).

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:52 | 4786770 VAD
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Ya mean you can't just set it and forget it like a Ronco rotisserie? 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:30 | 4785613 Omen IV
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you are probably not familiar with Fukushima - designed, constructed with the technology and engineering of ........


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:35 | 4785993 Jonas Parker
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And you are probably unaware that TEP did NOT buy the "automatic shut-down option" that GE offers... probably to save money.

Does "penny wise and pound foolish" mean anything to you?  Naw, didn't think so.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:31 | 4786696 disabledvet
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worse still are the other two new reactors they built "just in case of a tsunami." that says they knew the risk and "ran the fire" anyways.

again "no containment." believe it or not there is a rationale for not having containment period (look at how Fukushima actually exploded when the reactor went super critical creating a huge hydrogen gas bubble. also if you look closely you'll see the stacks burning off steam...which is a good sign too believe it or not. "it's when you run out of steam to heat that all your heating is air" is what happened there.) On the other hand..."no containment means no containment."

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:41 | 4786731 blentus
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Quickly, make another Google search, and you'll be an expert in 10 minutes.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:40 | 4786728 blentus
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When I have no fucking idea what I am talking about, I usually don't yell about it.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:46 | 4785441 gatorengineer
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Almost alone is a true laugh, they have had as much french, german, chinese technology that they wanted.  Remember the stuxnet virus affected Siemens machines....

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 19:28 | 4786857 Freddie
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Iran and/or Persia has been there for eons.  Iran and Russia have survived for centuries and less than hospitable geographies with nasty neighbors too.  They are a pretty hardy bunch of people.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:40 | 4785200 cossack55
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Uh....Fuku is still assessing bomb damage from 3/11.


I see an immediate ramp-up in development and fielding of the new ss-500 SAMs.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:28 | 4786217 Not Too Important
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"If I were one of Israel's targets, the last thing I'd want are highly radioactive substances within my borders that they could bomb and spread."

Radiation doesn't respect borders. And if the wind is blowin' back towards Israel, well . . .

Or are you saying they'd take out the Southern Hemisphere, like Fukushima is taking out the Northern Hemisphere?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:13 | 4787093 Terminus C
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Iran is in the Southern Hemisphere?

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:42 | 4787491 jeff montanye
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no, and it's north of brownsville, tx.  but it is south of part of japan.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:21 | 4785112 intric8
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There will be a new and escalated breed of terrorism going forward fueled by one provocation after another. America and israel will see to it. The u.s. will become even more statist and yank more freedoms. The future looks fucked, fucked i tell you

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:52 | 4786081 MillionDollarBoner_
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and I thought it was going to be Orange...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 20:34 | 4787006 palmereldritch
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It can't be Orange. History doesn't repeat. But it does rhyme.

And nothing rhymes with Orange.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:50 | 4787499 jeff montanye
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more singe, tore hinge, sore cringe, far tinge, car binge, bar fringe. imperfect, but as the world.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:11 | 4786615 Freddie
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Putin also learned a lot over his lifetime and knows his history.  He saw what the old USSR was.  It was a creation of the bankster families and the elites.  He knows the same vermin are aligned against Russia now. People like Soros, the NWO elites, all the Dems, NeoCons and State Dept types.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:40 | 4787154 BigRedWall
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Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:58 | 4787509 jeff montanye
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democrats and neo-liberals?

no republicans like mccain or neo-conservatives like robert kagan?

this is the same foreign policy as the prior bush administration, differing only in style.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:08 | 4785044 Headbanger
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Isn't it nice of Iran to reduce their carbon footprint just like Al Gore and Jerry Brown want them too!?


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:42 | 4785424 kchrisc
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Best sarcastic comment in a while. Cut like a knife.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:29 | 4785954 HamRove
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NICE! Well said

Manbearpig hunter Al Gore wants you to do what he tells you to do, not do what he does. 

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:54 | 4787505 MEAN BUSINESS

I know! I'm also shocked and disappointed Iran didn't go with good ol 'Merkan product. At least a CANDU?

Given the IPCC AR5 WG3's report, my bet is there will be a long line of countries waiting to purchase Russian SMRs. I hear they come with a maintenance agreement and a security agreement, courtesy of the polite men in green ; ) This WIP Iran deal is half loyalty reward, half "Fuck You" to anybody that doesn't like it.

So yes, it is nice of Iran to plan to mitigate. That ain't  /sarc.

What's North America got planned to blahblahblah in Paris at UNFCCC COP21? I'm sure they're working on it...


Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:02 | 4787515 jeff montanye
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i'm surprised the iranians don't throw in some chinese photovoltaics to cover more bases.  all in time.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:08 | 4785049 813kml
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He is taking advantage of the gridlock and competing factions in US gov.  I think the hopes of Russia and China are to spin the US around so fast that it quickly unravels.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:19 | 4785103 Shad_ow
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...our helpless leaders are spinning quite well on their own.  Everyone of them are looking around to see what they can steal or benefit from.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:30 | 4785612 COSMOS
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They know the dollar is going down, so they are stealing as much as they can buying gold and farmland and rental properties in nice places so when the dollar takes a dump they can rent vacation places to Russiand and Chinese and sell them food and also keep the value of what they stole with gold.  That is why everyone in DC is stealing like crazy, they see the writing on the wall.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:05 | 4787519 jeff montanye
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i want to believe. any links? more the first two than the third.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:57 | 4785264 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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I had a conversation a week ago with a retired accountant who I think is fairly smart and a fair example of someone who reads the mainstream financial press.  I tried to broach the subject of a petroleum deal between Russia and China and was told (get this) that China doesn't want Russian oil because they know Russia will only play the same games they do with Ukraine.

This is how "non nutjob-blog-readers" see the world.

I remember seeing somewhere photos of Iran's leadership at these "Holy Grail" meetings over the last few days, though the MSM had the predictable level of interest.

It's probably a bad idea for me to bring up Atlas Shrugged in any internet discussion, but in my hazy memory of the book I recall that towards the end, the US govt was being called out so openly and humiliatingly that they just decided not to respond to any of it any longer.  The idea was that by arguing they would only make themselves look as out of control of the situation as they were.  By not commenting they could leave the citizens to hope that things aren't as bad as they obviously seem.


I think this may be the playbook now and going forward.  For example, if China (hypothetically) makes Vietnam a province, the US govt response will be nothing.  No comment at all.


What else can they do at this point?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:00 | 4785274 813kml
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Unfortunately, US gov can only start shooting.  It's what they do best.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:49 | 4785450 Redneck Hippy
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If China makes Vietnam a province, the best thing the U.S. can do is nothing.  Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:32 | 4785618 COSMOS
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China only cares about the Oil and its Control of the China Sea that it had since ancient times, but lost to British and American gunboats.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:02 | 4786351 teslaberry
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when your enemy conquers and subjugates a region , annexing it and chainging the ethnic makeup it's not a mistake. it's him kicking ass. 


witness tibet. 


tibet had a VERY BRIEF life as its own kingdom by historical standards. historically it was always a regional province subject to taxation by a foreign power. it is sparsely populated but of enormous strategic significance for its water and minerals and probably for many other reasons having to do with its location relative to the world at large. 


china has completely sinofied tibet. one of the grandest conquests of all. this was achieved before china had nuclear weapons on the heels of ww2. 


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:18 | 4786645 Freddie
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Last time China went into Vietnam, China got a serious ass kicking.  This was by the Vietnamese militia too.  The regular army was getting rid of Pol Pot in Cambodia.  China decided to invade and got a beat down.  Check out the videos on youtube.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:53 | 4785471 Tall Tom
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The US Government created the problem when they went into Ukraine, OVERTHREW THEIR GOVERNMENT, and replaced it with a bunch of neofascist psychopathss. Of course the US Government had thier eyes set upon Syria at the time and the Russian psychopath nixed that move. Then the US Government sanctions Russia for responding against the Ukranian murders of Russian nationals..


So, of course, the Russian response is to tell the US Government to fuck off. Really what do you expect??? This is how they are doing it.


We created the problem. The public will react. Then the "solution" will be that the US must spend MOAR on "defense". The MIC will like that. So will the Stawk Market.


This is the Hegelian Dialectic people. Problem-Reaction-Solution. It will not cost you too much...Heh, heh, heh. LMAO.



So we may see a Global Thermonuclear War. Then the entire game ends.  Most humans are so damned myopic....including our "leaders". Actually we deserve extinction.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:01 | 4786112 Sirius Wonderblast
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Putins actions do not fit the bill of a psychopath. He's playing the game, and winning it, using it even, but definitely not steppimg outside it or suggesting the rules don't apply to them. It's the US and EU (who the hell gave them a voice anyway?) doing that.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:19 | 4787109 Terminus C
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There are no rules.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 18:31 | 4786694 Sirius Wonderblast
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... which brings you straight to Ludwig von Mises and Austrian school economics, elitism and the Ukraine. Funny old world.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:45 | 4785438 kchrisc
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Putin is inside the DC US' OODA Loop.

Just funny to watch.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:08 | 4785051 Winston Churchill
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The S400's come with them as standard.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:11 | 4785058 NoDebt
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Knuk.  Putin planned, prepared and now he's executing.  Meanwhile the US has been in full-retard for years.  When Obama was elected, Putin probably couldn't believe his luck.  What a perfect time to make your move when you know the other guy is not only in full-reactionary mode, but clueless as well.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:15 | 4785083 pods
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Like taking candy from a dead baby.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:21 | 4785111 Shad_ow
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The baby in The White House couldn't be more vulnerable if he were handing it over with glee.   Maybe he is...

....that would explain a lot of things.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:46 | 4785224 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Tell Vlad I will have more flexibility after the election...."

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:05 | 4785505 Oracle 911
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...for bending over.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:34 | 4785628 COSMOS
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Look we all know Obummer's speeches are written for him by Wall street.  He knows he is not the guy in power but a mouthpiece reading a telepromter, so he doesn't care, he goes and plays golf.  If he gets in the way they would get some KKK lunatic to asassinate him.  He does not care.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:44 | 4786253 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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And unfortunately the only "alternative" is the right wing of the corporatist duopoly whose only "solutions" are:  INVADE THEM!  Send more American kids to die!  Spend moar nonexistent money on "defense"!  Moar drones!  Moar bombs!  Moar dead people in other countries!  We are so fucked.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:32 | 4785159 alien-IQ
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Doesn't the IDF have a division that specializes in exactly that?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:24 | 4785121 Cathartes Aura
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keep taking - artificial - sides folks.

*minds* working as intended.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:02 | 4785275 Sean7k
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For a site, whose commentators like to think of themselves as an elite group, the comments indicate the complete opposite. The game is staged, the actors have a part to play. If it wasn't obama, it would be hillary or jeb. They are creating the old evil axis again. Russia, China and Iran against the "good guys", the US, Europe and Japan.

Of course, the losers will be YOU AND I. 

If you can be manipulated this easily, in regards to your belief systems, wait until your life is on the line. This is the ultimate ship of fools. Please read up on the Tavistock and Aspen Institutes. You aren't tough guys, you don't know better and the solution is not anything which requires your participation.

While I realize it is easy to get "riled up". We need to take a moment and realize that if it is put out on a controlled media for your counsumption, it has a purpose and that purpose is to confuse you.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:13 | 4785313 Winston Churchill
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The script is not being followed.
Psychopaths rarely work in pairs,let alone teams.
Et tu Brutus.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:48 | 4785448 gatorengineer
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I dont see who is working with Obama either as a pair or team.  Please explain

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:59 | 4785485 Winston Churchill
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Obozo is just bad help.
His bosses are the psychopaths.
Many on ZH subscribe to the view that the oligarchs are working together in some grand plan.
From my first experience dealing with them(Robert Maxwell in
the 1970's) I could have told you they rarely work together,
and if they do, for short periods only.Long term,no way.
Its dog eat dog, and being the top alpha dog is the prize.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:16 | 4785554 Sean7k
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The oligarchs operate at different levels of responsibility. They are told as much as they need to know. It is only at the highest level, where the plans are known in their entirety. This is the reason for so many secret societies. They have different responsibilities and are manipulated in turn towards a greater result.

We think there is dissension and competition, but this is what they would have us believe. The puppetmasters are few, but they have a plan and the ability to coerce their minions. 

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:45 | 4785690 Omen IV
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The original organization and founder Cecil Rhodes and his primary architect Lord Milner set up the system of compartmentalization with the Kindergarten members - Rhodes brought the US into the control System

very few on the inside

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:58 | 4785760 Herd Redirectio...
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Don't you think they would rather us believe in a fantasy 'unified front'?

Clearly billionaires and sociopaths have been co-operating and working together, but its also clear (to me, any way) that they attempt to operate based on a set of rules.  No snitching.  No spilling the blood of royalty (top dogs, like Kissinger, Soros, Stanley Fischer, etc.).  In general, steal from the peasants, not other 'nobles'.

But these type of 'rules' always cause friction, as some cartel members will break the rules w/ impunity and go un-punished.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:02 | 4786123 Sean7k
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A united front gives you a target to take aim at, an indentifiable enemy. It can be held accountable for its' members actions. Here, you have no one to blame, just malignant ether which escapes from every grasp. It lacks shape and form. However, it does have an achilles heel: you have to participate. You have to buy into the sell of consumerism and debt. Politics keeps you engaged and committed. Your on a team. Team depends. 

If we return to a simpler lifestyle, sound money, social credit, community; we will find like the gods of old, when you stop believing in them, they lose their power over you. Just as their leadership is undefinable, our actions must be a contagion without a starting point. We must move towards a future goal with a community mindset.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:47 | 4785698 chrissjg
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While Putin has common sense and Doh'bama doesn't, their government has strong ties with central banking elitists and corporate masters too. There are no true sides in this world. Everyone has been a puppet since the times of Napoleon. They own the militaries and they own us. ( so far ) Its the greatest sham.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:47 | 4785699 chrissjg
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While Putin has common sense and Doh'bama doesn't, their government has strong ties with central banking elitists and corporate masters too. There are no true sides in this world. Everyone has been a puppet since the times of Napoleon. They own the militaries and they own us. ( so far ) Its the greatest sham.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:43 | 4785211 KickIce
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The icing on the cake (for them) is it's being done with US treasuries, we're just fortunate that Belgium is such a wealthy nation.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:51 | 4785246 Theta_Burn
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And no response from Israel yet?

This is the result when you keep fucking with people.

The tragic thing is this is all America has left, bullying and threats.

The way things are going i will be shocked if the missles aren't flying in a mths time...


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:13 | 4785315 AZLagun
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I think you are right that it has been planned way in advance however I do not think that Putin was doing the planning.  All of these "leaders" are pawns on someone elses chess board.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:58 | 4785479 ndree
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This is what happens when you try to fill your plate with vry dish on the buffet...the plate crashes, and you suffer from indigstion.

Great move for a great leader with testicular fortitude!!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:59 | 4785487 intotheblack
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Oh, he may be smart, but is he happy. I mean, truly happy. I sense a lot of pain in Putin as he is a man of great love and empathy for the poor and suffering.

Snark aside, I agree. Witness the sudden rise of technical-logistical corridors from a Eurasian centre based on commodity-currencies as opposed to USD.  It is like a caricature of later antiquity when an exhausted west turned East to organize Constantinope and the Eastern Empire as growth, wealth, and social innovation suddenly blasted in from East to West instead of the other way around. 


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:09 | 4785526 Thom_333
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Agree. However - contemplating what Obama or the people that govern him now will try to pull makes me worried. False flags ? Nuclear shit ?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:53 | 4786089 Sirius Wonderblast
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Yes, and the US only has a bunch of military it can't use against those countries, and the European countries don't even have that.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:50 | 4786312 debtor of last ...
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It's not THAT brilliant knukles. The man brings the trash outside.

In the coming western world, silver is the money of kings. Don't know what gold will do.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:09 | 4787069 Againstthelie
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But one can't say, that he didn't reach his hand. Time after time.

Rember when Medvedev was President and what Obama told him? In his second term, he would have more freedom to move!

The Russians didn't even veto the aggression against Lybia at that time!

They accepted all broken promises by NATO.


Then Putin came back and the plutocrats continued their ruthless encirclement and plan for world domination against Syria. I believe that was the point in time, when Moscow realized, that plutocrats do understand only one language: power. And that only power can stop them.

The Russian-China gas deal had been discussed for almost ten years. But how the plutocrats attacked Ukraine probably removed any remaining potential obstacles.

Alea acta est.

Now Russia has changed from reacting to becoming active. Finally! From now on the world has the hope, that the Zionist enemies of the world will face more difficulties with their satanic plans.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:05 | 4785034 alien-IQ
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No doubt about it. It's gonna be fucking hilarious.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:10 | 4785053 john39
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can you imagine the tantrums being thrown in tel aviv now?   we need a bibi in the bunker video...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:35 | 4785176 WillyGroper
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Maybe a dingo will eat our Bibi.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:40 | 4785659 COSMOS
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Should be interesting to see what happens.  I am sure if they are bombed the Iranians have threatened to reduce all of Saudi Arabia's infrastructure to sand.  I think this is the only thing keeping Israel from striking.  The USA does not want disruption to the Petro Dollar since that would mean its instant demise.  If Iran is attacked it gives them the excuse to strike back hard at Israel and while they dont have nukes they  can Damage its nuclear power plant and spread plutonium all over the place and make the place inhospitable, not to mention they can destroy all the infrastructure in Israel, and it doesnt take nuclear weapons to do that.  Where would Israel's economy be without a power grid, or transportation network, or ports etc.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:34 | 4786246 Not Too Important
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That ICBM launched over Iran the other night was to make it very clear that Iran is under a very protective 'umbrella'. It was mentioned that the test distance involved was a 'minimum' distance. What countries are within the 'maximum' distance?

Russia may not even have to send S-400's.

That test was a big 'FUCK YOU' to Israel and anyone else that wants to get in their way.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:28 | 4787127 Againstthelie
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The Saudis recently invited the Iranians.

If Iran and the Saudis could find a base for cooperation, then the Zionist destabilization plan of the islamic world could collapse.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:52 | 4785252 Theta_Burn
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:43 | 4785425 kill switch
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The fat lady is on standby!!!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 11:58 | 4784992 Pladizow
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And where's the price or Uranium?

And who controls global mine supply?

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:09 | 4785050 Kirk2NCC1701
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The greatest concentration levels are in the 'Great White North", eh.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:28 | 4785070 New Ordnance
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Uranium a canard? They are still burning Plutonium from decommissioned USSR weapons.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 16:36 | 4786257 Not Too Important
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MOX doesn't work very well in all the older NPP's that weren't designed for the higher temperatures.

And the new design of MOX reactors don't work at all - Savannah River and Monju, specifically. A complete waste of billions.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:04 | 4785023 Z_End
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It's 3 Dimensional Chess moving at warp speed...

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:50 | 4785239 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Scotty, We need warp speed in 3 minutes, or we are ALL dead!!"

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:27 | 4785947 Perfecthedge
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In the meanwhile Jen Psaki is furiously writing some message to take with a selfie and send over Twitter.  She will use fat bold characters and show Putin who is Boss.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:06 | 4785038 813kml
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The US is still deciding between the battleship or the cute doggie to start its game of Monopoly.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:41 | 4785202 knukles
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And then bitching about there being no "tranny" such that their rights are being ignored which is "sexist" "racist" or some other evil "feeling"

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:05 | 4785294 eclectic syncretist
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Russians are real men like Todd Snider!

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:23 | 4785119 pelican
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Putin is giving us the finger.  Don't worry though.  Biden, O and Kerry will be providing more selfies soon.


Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:41 | 4785205 knukles
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Need MOAR #hashtagdiplomacy

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:43 | 4785671 COSMOS
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Thu, 05/22/2014 - 15:23 | 4785912 Bernoulli
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What happens when you put these two guys in a ring:

vs. (notice any teleprompters?)


Pretty obvious, no?

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 05:39 | 4787709 Bernoulli
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The first clip about Obama breaking the retweet record has been watched 2.6 million times and the second clip (at least that version, maybe there is another one?) where Putin explains very openly his views on the world has been watched a whopping  1'809 times.

That's the state of the world we're in.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 05:40 | 4787715 Bernoulli
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Ok sorry, my mistake. Here is the version with 800'000 views.

Should be more though......................................

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 14:12 | 4785535 Bill of Rights
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Do we see July as a flare up? punt intended.

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