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"Political Earthquake" - Nigel Farage "Big Winner" In Local Elections
Yesterday we highlighted the European people's growing 'revulsion' against Europe and overnight we got yet another confirmation that the status quo - despite record low bond yields and record high stock and real estate prices - are losing their grip on control. Having taken the lead in the polls last week, UKIP's Nigel Farage has scored a major victory in local elections in England with early results pointing to considerable gains for the euro-skeptic party:
- UKIP GAINS 20 SEATS IN EARLY ENGLISH LOCAL-ELECTION RESULTS
- U.K. TORIES LOSE 20 SEATS IN EARLY LOCAL-ELECTION RESULTS
As Reuters reports, one MP noted "I think Nigel Farage for quite a lot of those people is just a big sort of two fingers stuck up at what they feel is a sort of hectoring, out-of-touch elite."
Britain's anti-EU party UKIP made strong gains in local elections in England, siphoning support from Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservatives as it capitalised on discontent about immigration and mainstream politics.
The gains by the UK Independence Party, which wants Britain to leave the EU, will pile pressure on Cameron to toughen his approach to Europe and alarm some in his party who worry UKIP could scupper the Conservatives hopes of winning next year's national election.
The strong support for UKIP indicated by early local council results suggests the party could also do well in elections to the European Parliament, also held on Thursday.
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Farage told reporters he was cheered by the early results and thought they were a good platform to challenge for seats in the 2015 national election.
"Looking at the average vote shares across the country, and without wishing to count any chickens before they're hatched, it looks pretty good," he told reporters.
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"I think Nigel Farage for quite a lot of those people is just a big sort of two fingers stuck up at what they feel is a sort of hectoring, out-of-touch elite," Jeremy Browne, a Liberal Democrat lawmaker
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The European elections were held on the same day, but the results will not be announced until Sunday evening, in line with the rest of the EU. They will determine the political persuasion of Britain's 73 lawmakers in the 751-seat European Parliament.
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"There's been a vote for UKIP and that sends us a very clear message that people have concerns about immigration, about welfare, about schools and skills of course," said Michael Gove, the Conservative education minister.
"We will pay attention to those concerns."
Change - it appears - is coming.
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Fuck the EU.
Come at me Ghordo
Victoria? is it you? Are you pissed at Nigel Farage's UKIP electoral success? I'm pleased about that
You? Happy?
Is ZH starting to rub off on you?
eh? I was always for the UK exiting the EU. I'm not a friend of Nigel because he is a populist - which for me equates for someone that is not interested in facts. or solutions
but UKIP and BriXit? bring it on. we aren't compatible. Britons want moar free trade. they always misunderstood what the other 27 want
I always found the word populist -- when used within "European" political sense to be code for;
"Someone who isn't for the enlargement of the EU, who has a great argument that cannot be overcome with common sense, and now has a following."
Its kinda like the word "Racist" in Anglo political circles, or "Nazi" in our political circles here.
Anyone who uses it to describe their opposition I immediately think are either slow, dimwitted, dishonest, or all 3.
me thinks he NOW needs enhanaced security!
plane crash imminent?
At this point, its only a matter of time before Farage is found with some Swiss account with a fund hundred million pounds in it -- that he knows nothing about.
The EU elite will destroy him in one way or another. If I were him, I'd be making all of his finances public at this point in time, and only use shared computers.
Farage is a global warming denier.
Will be interesting to see if he changes his tune on this obvious problem.
Maybe he could a vacation home in southern Florida, or the Maldive Islands, and prove himself correct..??
Not sure if Farage as the UK's Churchill for 2016 is a very heartening thought.
Great orators are NOT usually great leaders. They love the sound of their own voice too much.
If only he walked the walk as well as Alf Gore and all HIS coastal vacation homes and jetting around the world.
Sorry brosef, your schtick isn't nearly as good as the original.
Although I am thinking about creating an alt, BillionDollarBonus_.
Whatcha think?
The Maldives are building half a dozen regional airports, so their real worry is remote.
The latest paper on sea level rise says it's not accelerating. It's chart indicates it's decelerating:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/sea_level_not_rising.pdf
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/20/new-study-finds-sea-levels-rising-only-7-in-per-century-with-no-acceleration/
Horse and buggy
right on...
Queen is ready for a change of hand (um, -shake).
Tea Party...euro-style ;-)
I'm sure Barry called to congratulate Nigel.
collect
Been there. Done that. Bought the t-shirt, and walked....er...limped away from it. Can't even buy a quality "accident" anymore.
Already happened!
The pilot was charged,
now the pilot is dead.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/8173447/Nigel-Farage-plane...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/crash-pilot-who-threatene...
Farage needs a food and wine taster, bullet-proof-vest, etc.
"Britons want moar free trade."
Like Blythe's CDS, Barclay's kinda "free trade"? Who do they expect to trade with now?
When you create a world in which the primary medium of trade, is dead bodies on a battlefield, you have reached the end.
perhaps it has some of those connotation. and perhaps I'm being elitist by saying so. fact is that half of what Nigel Farage says sounds good... until you research on it. and then you find out that his emphasis is on sounding good, and so catching votes
the simplest example: his last tirade on "people talking all kind of languages in the London Tube". this one gave him a lot of flak lately because it's easily debunked as... populist
Have you ever ridden the Underground? Some stations, I would venture to say that English isn't even a second language ...
Fact is -- you move to a country you learn their language. Could I get around in Germany without a single world of German? Sure. Would I ever? Hell no. I live here, and I HAVE TO LEARN THEIR LANGUAGE. I fail to see why this is such a big deal, and pointing it out to people gets you labeled a racist, nazi, or now populist, apparently.
A lot of British history and literature is not just beyond the pale, it's illegal to cite it publically. Cameras eyes and ears everywhere trained to recognize civilisation and snuff it out.
that's why it was so bloody easy to debunk the whole affair: what about tourists? what about diplomats or foreign businesspeople going to a meeting? what about recent immigrants? what about his own German wife talking to his own bilingual children?
London happens to be in England. Yet it also is a very open megacity. A World City. With a mayor begging wealthy Russians and Chinese to buy a mansion, there
meanwhile, his whole Immigration Isssue vs the EU? bunk. including the scare his people fostered about Romanian and Bulgarian immigration for 2014
seriously, would you want to live in a place where there is a ban on foreign languages... in public transport?
There is a material difference between people speaking German to one another in South Kensington and people speaking Pakistani to one another in a rough neighborhood (neighbourhood -- since we are discussing the UK here).
One group of people likely is there on vacation and spending money in the UK economy without taking anything out, or is paying in more than taking out, while the other is likely taking out more than they are putting it. Its a net-positive v net-negative effect.
In economics there is a difference between skilled and unskilled labo(u)r.
Fact is -- you move to a country you learn their language.
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Fact is -- you move to a country you learn their language.
Fact is -- you move to a country you learn their language.
Fact is -- you move to a country you learn their language.
Fact is -- you move to a country you learn their language.
An 'american' fact then. It shows how much 'americans' are adverse to the most immediate reality.
'Americans' have indeed a compelling record of moving abroad and learning the language.
The easiest thing though: people speaking another language in the underground does not mean they do not speak the language.
No, of course not. I am sure some/many of them speak Engrish.
Fact is -- there is just this 800 lb gorilla in the room, and its that there are "poor" languages and "rich languages." I cannot imagine someone having an issue with people speaking Russian or German or Japanese in London. The odds are these people, assuming they live there, have a job, they pay taxes, and they aren't taking much to anything out of the system. Whereas, when someone comes to the UK speaking Ethiopian, Pakistani, or Algerian, its pretty likely that this person is not a "skilled" labourer. This means the services he receives from the government likely exceed what he pays in. Now, if the UK was starved for cheap labour, and it had an unskilled unemployment rate of say 2%, then ok, a few unskilled labourers coming in isn't that bad of a gig. However, with unskilled BRITISH BORN labourers unemployment rate being about 15% (not bad in the current economic climate) then this tells me that there is an oversupply of unskilled labour. Why anyone would want more unskilled labour is beyond me.
However, statistics do not lie. You leftists hate numbers. The overwhelming majority of North African and South Asian immigrants in the UK take low paid unskilled jobs. These people bring their languages with them, so its not wrong for people to hear a "poor" language and assume this person takes more from the system than they put in.
Explain to me where I am wrong. Don't bother telling me how it discriminates against the 42 people that work at the Pakistani, Algerian and Ethiopian embassies.
Explaining how an 'american' is wrong? Wooo, that is kind a challenge. Challenges are challenging and it is better to ponder where a challenge can be conquered beforehand.
Explaining how an 'american' is wrong. That is a tough challenge. Is it a possible challenge?
'Americans' live in a cocoon of fantasy. They leave if when they are in power because people in power, no matter who they are, must deal in reality.
Apart from that peculiar situation, who would try to explain an 'american' is wrong? 'Americans' are so disconnected with reality.
Ah, so the inflexible rule of when you move abroad, you speak the language is 'american'ly adamant. It suffers no exception except for the exceptions.
And it all is understood. By speaking another language, all those guys show they move out of their position as given in an 'american' society. This is their crime.
Glad to see 'americans' still come up with their story about skilled labour, government and stuff.
'American' societies are structured by their government state. High end jobs are the result of highly structured societies.
As a consequence, it means that jobs in the higher spectrum rely much more on the society organization than jobs in lower spectrum.
As a consequence, and by following the logics, people on higher jobs should be the ones learning the language first.
So it all starts by a fact, that people moving abroad must learn the language, an adamant rule of thumb.
Then it goes with the same adamant rule that people should learn the language on the ground of their job depency of the government.
An excellent bit, the type 'americans' are able to produce. 'Americans' and their way of thinking, what potent minds, the greatest humanity ever has ever known.
Rejoicing. Even more rejoicing, deep within me, I know for certain that an 'american' will improve on that. An 'american' will come with an ever more excellent bit.
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Ah, good fortune. I am glad to see your rejoicement is blobbing up betterly.
"Challenges are challenging..."
ROTFL!...I swear it never gets old, the commie again, giving his best impression of Yogi Berra.
A great American I might add ;-)
Or maybe he is popular because people are tired of the bullshit and misery being fed to them by the bankers and politicians?
Victoria? is it you? Are you pissed at Nigel Farage's UKIP electoral success? I'm pleased about that
Is that what people are saying to you?
All the world is but a stage, and most of us are desperately under rehearsed.
I love to watch Farage's EU rants on youtube. A voice in the wilderness of ignorance.
Good for Faraga. Too bad the EU Parliment is a totally limp-wristed institution and divoid of power.
those are the results of the British local elections (aka municipal). the results of the EU parliamentary elections are not out yet
Correct, but I find it much less likely die Inselaffen vote for UKIP for local and Labour for EU. I imagine many are more willing to gamble their votes away on the EU elections moreso than domestic ones.
there is no need to call Britons "Inselaffen" (Island Apes). it's a cheap, unnecessary and disrespectful thing to do. you are insulting a very interesting civilization, one of the brightest in the world
#It was a low blow, but I just looked at Labour, who won over 500 seats. How can anyone with two brain cells possibly vote for these morons.
(Dear English readers who voted for UKIP -- my Inselaffen comment was directed at Labour voters)
Apology accepted, since me and the wife did indeed vote for UKIP. Not that we agree with them on everything, have no illusions that it will change anything inthe short to medium term (or ever, in all probability) and in the knowledge that Nige is a bit populist, at least some of the time - it actually depends on who is interviewing him, to be fair. If it's the BBC or some other status-quo establishment media, he knows he isn't going to get to back up UKIP policy opinions on anything important with facts. They will (and DO, to the point where it's blatantly obvious that they've been strongly instructed to at senior editorial level) just keep interrupting him. Can't have the troublemaker spouting any hard data about things that will rile the plebs, should they spend 10 minutes researching the points he's trying to make. It's actually pretty apparent that they would like to deny UKIP, and particularly Farage, any air-time at all, were it possible to do so.
Let's be realistic, though; the Western world is going to have to burn at least halfway to the ground before there's any hope of meaningful reform. As long as the sociopaths have even the smallest levers of control to keep themselves in their positions of privilege, they aren't going to let go. Which is probably a good thing, despite the pain it will cause the common pleb. Even if we DO succeed in ousting the rent-seeking scumbags, if the lesson isn't a clear enough one that it has a lasting legacy of "Never again!" in the collective psyche, the bastards will simply creep off to their out of the way retreats in New Zealand, etc and bide their time until they spy an opportunity to seize control again. Has happened again and again all through history.
This is quite true.
I get the feeling though, that burning half-way down isn't going to do it, and we're going to kill ourselves before its all said and done.
As much as I enjoy seeing this pushback against the elites, it still serves them, as it fuels the divide and conquer necessary to ultimately destroy nationalism, so that they may usher in a global state. Order from chaos, bitchez. When did nationalism peak previously?
Right before the Vietnam war?
+1 My favorite post on this great thread -- but thanks to all! Related: A start-up I used to work at had all chinese s/w people (ASIC guys were all indian, EE all white but one, techs all vietnamese). The chinese s/w people would meet in a conference room to make sure everyone was on the same page, but someone got offended and the management issued a ruling that ALL meetings must be held in English even if everyone there speaks another (same) language. WTF? Why the hell does it matter -- what's wrong with maximizing communication efficiency in a private meeting like that?
They're fair game at this point, having flushed their cultural inheritance down the toilet for three generations straight they will never get back. The rot is body wide, with the strongest cells putting up their last ditch efforts like this. They really are fighting on their own shores now, but their finest hour was quite a few decades back.
How about chavscum then? There are a lot of them.
Here's how to spot a British chav:
http://files.aracari.warpmail.net/Misc/chav-quiz.txt
There's no need to concern troll someone because you want to chill their language. Let people express themselves any way they want so that the rest of us know what we're dealing with.
@Ghordius
BTW, you also should say this when the French are so often and unfairly called "Cheeseating surrender MONKEYS"
Not sure what that means, "municipal". When I voted there was only 1 ballot paper and only allowed to tick one box, so the vote must count for both local and EU. Whatever votes UKIP got, reported as local elections, must also count for Europe, surely?
yesterday's polls in the UK were for local councils (councillors) and - separately - for the EU parliament (MEPs)
There should have been TWO voting papers (!!!)
But the general 'consensus' in the rabidly anti-UKIP mainstream media before the elections was that UKIP would do well in the EU election but much worse in the local council elections. Dream on.
The mainstream media and political parties are shitting their pants. There are a lot of people outside London who are waiting to see the 'economic recovery' actually arrive at their doorstep 'cos it ain't arrived (surprise, surprise!). They are angry and hacked off with political bullshit. Farage answers a question....unlike 650 MP's sitting in Parliament.
Nigel Farage and UKIP, if you now don't win at the next general elections...
remember, you have to win Westminster in order to BriXit
Not necessarily.
Very nice....
Way to go Farage! Let the lot from Brussels know their place.
I wish we had an antiestablishment figure as lucid and articulate as Farage. The media would be unable to ignore such a force.
We did and then the grassy knowll.
JFK was a helluva tax cutter and a staunch anti-communist. That's why the commie loser shot him, probably. A man of the people, however, none of the Kennedy clan ever were. Demagogues, sure.
He also wanted to bring back the Silver Certificate, and that obviously got in the way of the big plan. My how far we have fallen since those days,
The Jews did not like his opposition to israel's Nuclear weapons program at Dimona that was made possibler by stealing all our nucelar secrets by countless traitors herein the US. .Ben Gurion hated kennedy with a passion.
'the commie loser' was drinking a coke while the deed was done it appears. and so many other pertinent bits of info to consider i cant even begin here. and kennedy and his bro were after the mob and making headway at the time. and johnson hated certain things about the two of em so...
It's a touchy subject (so please don't "shoot" the messenger here), but I know a very bright forensic pathologist who is also extremely gun-savvy. He told me the Warren Commission report has been reviewed more than any other document by forensic people. The consensus is that the Warren Commission did NOT get everything right, but the important conclusions are correct. I realize there was a TV dramatization that "demonstrates" that a sharpshooter can't fire that fast -- total BS and has been debunked. Not as barf-worthy as the FOX special on whether we went to the moon, though.
p.s. Junkers, do you believe AIDS/HIV is (deliberately) man-made as well? Wow.
If by 'we' you mean Americans, you did have such a force - Ron Paul. And he was roundly ignored by the media, remember?
Yet both of you clueless keep talking about "media" as if it were anything but the incorporated bullshit of Fascism it is.
The "media" is dead. Show me a journalist that isn't on the Fascist tit and i will show you actual journalism.
Lies get published and truth repressed and you retards give "media" creedence like there is merit "somewhere."
John Pilger! a n d he's an Aussie.
Matt 'Taibbi and
Jeremy Scahill
off the top of my head
I got hooked on Pilger after seeing a series he did in the 80's (or was it late 70's) documenting the atrocities that went on in Cambodia after the Vietnam war. He reported on the ground after of the overthrow of Pol Pot.
Apart from the story itself saddening me, it also saddened me that this sort of stuff was actually broadcast freely back in the day. In order to find similar quality stuff these days you need to look to the fringe of the web - which I guess is why we are all here and not browsing yahoo finance.
Left in the same political wilderness as Enoch Powell was in the UK.
Both right, both ignored.
Too true. We are somewhere along this truth path:
At least people on the other side of the pond seem to be catching on. My stupid, lazy, fat slob fellow 'Muricans continue to vote for these rich cocksuckers like McDonnell & Graham.
Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein.
I voted UKIP :)
this should be the top comment.
It's worth it just to see the apoplectic rage it induces in the 'right-on' commentariat.
And me. And I will never, ever vote Conservative again. This ain't no protest vote....it's for real.
Give it some time. After all, you just bought the product, it's in the mail. Wait till it arrives...
This is politics, and you expect change.
LOL
proud voters.
the least you can do. . .
What bothers me most is that I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY AGENDA FROM A EUROPARLEMENT CANDIDATE THUS FAR!!!!
NOTHING!!!!
FOR FOR... BUT WHY AND WHAT WILL THEY DO???
why don't you... search on the internet? do you really need me to find links? there are three public databases on what they want or previously voted on. the one I use most is http://www.votewatch.eu/
Lemme guess, they want more control, direct and indirect, over people's lives, but they have to be demagogic about it so we are left with shit like this to sift through.
A toryUKIP coalition in 2015 will see me emigrate.
Also for US readers read UKIP as Tea Party.
Lemme guess --
Labour supporter?
Sounds like. One less 'free shit' brigade. What a shame that would be. Lol.
Yep. The dimmest of the dim, uniting together.
DetectiveStern
take a look at this
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/17/ukip-coalition-farage_n_48037...
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
The funny thing is, i emmigrated from europe to get away from all the immigrants.
No one in the UK wanted to be part of whatever the hell it is 'europe' is now.
Europe is Fascisms pissboy, only this time it's the allies that are mechanized, oppressive and totally lawless.
Doesn't that make you someone's immigrant?
So you're an immigrant now
two fingers ain't gonna get the job done against the elite. it will take the entire fist(ing).
Nigel to some is not more than just an annoying fly - you should know what happen to such flies.
If I were Nigel or UKIP - sign very very fast quite a handsome all-risk insurance. If you can find one that takes the risk.
the elites understand politicians. all the pressure points. hordes of zombies is the only way to deal with elites effectively. they must be eaten alive.
Me thinks the Rothshilds will not be amused ... so wait a moment ... 1, 2, 3 ... until - unfortunately, a few tons of bad luck - i.e. a bus - just flatlined Nigel.
How many days? ... hours ... 1, 2, 3 ?
Outcome ANYWAY - coalition of the losers.
He's already survived one plane crash...
It's called "political capital"!!!
I was watching Bloomturd this morning and they had a Squiddy political analyst talking about the elections. His view was that people are voting for the nationalists extreme right when they select anti-globalist Euro skeptic parties. It's funny how everybody who may disagree with the elites are extreme..... maybe just maybe it is they who are extreme.
You mean they BOTH can't be extreme?
Ain't it funny how the canned Media can find Nazis everywhere except where the REAL nazis are?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_WdKlhKbNPY53NdNy...
The real Nazis had an appealing demagogy going, a socialist one.
Too little, too late. I was hoping for more, given the polling prior to the elections. How confident are the British people in their elections, vote counting, and election officials? This may have been all that TPTB allowed.
A lot of people assume that Farage and his UKIP take their votes away from the Tory Party. This is wrong. A lot of his votes come from disaffected Labour Party voters who have become sick of the EU and think Red Ed Miliband is a useless wan*er.
Europe and most of the states that compose it are in for a dedlining sum game for some decades to come. The Europeans will revert to form, ie embrace various ersatz cultish nationalisms.
I live in the UK and voted UKIP yesterday.
For our international readers understanding there were in fact two polls yesterday. The local election for our local councillors that runs our towns and another poll to vote for EU Members of Parliament.
The local election is a first past the post system so new parties like UKIP dont do as well as their share of the vote suggests. However, the EU election is a proportional representation ballot so every vote counts and the shockwave will be even bigger when they start counting the votes for the European election on Sunday.
UKIP may well end up being the largest UK political party in the European Parliament but yet has relativley few seats in local town councils and no seats at all in the UK Parliament in London.
The people are speaking and the main parties are going to have to listen before the next UK national General Election. Interesting times in the UK politically. Out of touch mainstream political elite are taking a kicking. Farage is a real Ron Paul type figure and combined with a mood in the country similar to when Margaret Thatcher swept tio power uniting voters on left and right who just wanted 'change'.
Ditto, Nige got my vote too.
Funny how Ed Milliband was saying people were voting UKIP because they don't like the way politics is at the moment !
Haha, Ed, people are voting UKIP cos they are getting involved in politics affecting their nation, such as trying to keep the UK a sovereign nation, free from interefernce by any foreign power. AKA the EU commission trying to ram endless EU directives down our throat.
Just wait til the ipad kids leave school in 10 years, they'll want to form all policy by referendum of the people.
The rats are being driven into the corner.
Nice one Nige !
heh,
voters vote change - *news flash* - when does that ever happen? another He-ro to line up behind. . .
off you go, tick your box, then toddle off home to sip your tea and watch your TeeVee news report your anger for you.
Mags certainly brought massive *change* to the UK, including the Big Financial Bang - remember getting fuck'd back then? all The City Boys swarming into place? all the "public" assets sold off to the corporate bidders? and the soaking up and selling of North Sea Oils to prop up the *boom*? remember the militarizing of the police in the face of whole communities losing their livelihoods? remember the poll tax that benefit'd the wealthy??
vote your change, count your coppers handed back you.
Not here though. Here in America we re-elect the same corrupt, big government hacks (a la Mitch McConnell). We prefer our overlords to our freedom. Freedom means work, and struggle. We'd rather be taken care of, I guess.
The sacred cows are going to have to die of old age. Even among tea party people you don't find a lot of enthusiasm for unwinding shit like "social security". It's just a control freak centralized ponzi regime that takes 13% of our incomes for our whole of our most vital years and uses that money to control and limit us while feeding its minions...until we are old or physically or mentally incapable and comprise a reliable voting block for..social security. What we are getting isnt security. We are getting civilisational collapse. We should call it what is. The Social Collapse Administration. The Social Collapse Trust Fund. Etc.
Here in merica we only get 2 choices the bush crime family or the clinton crime family or other corrupt insider. Everone else is marginalized. The repubs will even give up winning the presidency when the most popular candidate looks to be someone like Dr. Paul and was not pre approved.
And then the captured media will try to ridicule outside parties like Ross Perot when it looks like he has a shot. Then of course he don't get invited to the presidential debate.
And then we destract the voters with a captured media from any real issues by making some irrelevant issue the topic of debate like same sex marraige.
And if all that fails we just rig the Diebold voting machines with software that changes the vote or call Florida to recount the ballots and Voila The new President is...........
Hurry up and register- your vote counts. LOL
So again who is it gonna be JEB or Hillary? or throw the ole hopey changy candidate in their again for cover?
Check your history. Ross Perot really did deliver in that election. He gave us the Clintons. The Clintons would not occupy your consciousness in any way today without the success of Perot peeling votes away from the least bad candidate in that election. Government IS bad. Politicians are sociopaths. Vote for the least bad candidate who can win.
I don't have to check my history you Putz. I was there. Perot had 33% of the polls with about 6 candidates and then the media started blacking him out and trying to marginalize him just like Dr. Paul.
The main propaganda tool the media used was contantly saying he does not have a chance even when he was winning and I see that it worked because idiots like you still believe it today. And NO, Perot voters did not vote Clinton in, Clinton voters did. So just go vote for your DEm or Repub front man like a good samaritan because given that choice it does not matter one iota as their is no difference.
So run down there a vote for Hill Or Jeb they have a chance to win and get every bit of the goverment you deserve.
FYI- I have only voted twice in my entire life, Ross perot in the 80s and Dr. Paul last election. I admit, I probably would have voted for Barry Goldwater if I had been old enough but Im funny like that. Probable be another 20 years before I bother again if ever.
remember when Mitt'ns got the nomination, and Rand Paul endorsed him,
and the prolific writer RonPaul - with his blogs and pamphlets and commentary boards - never. uttered. a. word?
wonder what that was all about?
Perhaps it was about Rand making his own independent decisions and Elder did not support?
Wow dude you have uncovered the scam of the century. Wait till the news breaks on this. lol
and perhaps you will continue to script the story-excuse that allows your personal beliefs to remain
intact.
no dissonance there, eh?
Breaking News: same as it ever was, voters gonna vote.
"Here in merica we only get 2 choices"...
Get those choices from whom? How about creating choices instead?
Nigel Farage could be prime minster if the oligarchs don't kill him off.
The Winston Churchill of the modern day. He speaks to the people.
But quoting Churchill on the merits of Muslim infected polities he had observed up close around the world gets modern politicians in the UK arrested. Churchill is doubleplusungood in the new think.
Pim Fortuyn was killed by an "animal activist" when he was about to become prime minister of The Netherlands.
Anyone who gathers too much power is axed.
So, if farage is killed, he would have made a change.
If he's not killed he's just another piece on the chess board.
Why can't we have someone like Nigel here in our country. Never mind. I know the answer.
We had Ron Paul.
He was kicked in the face by the Republican leadership.
They are out of touch, but more importantly, out of time.
...and meaning.
The US was built on immigration. If you had a Farage the US would be empty.
Ermm.. correction. The country would still be owned by the original inhabitants...
PS Farage is an immigrant
Your comment displays a level of ignorance I didn't think existed at ZH. You know nothing of the situation nor the numbers nor Farage's policy views. You are a disgrace to this website.
The truth hurts doesn't it
Funny one. UK, in the perimeter of Europe, has retained control over their borders.
Connecting immigration and the EU is another 'american' diverting trick.
This is how 'americans' work: they blame an inexistant cause to gain some peace of mind.
@AnAnonymous,
The UK most definitely does NOT have control of its borders.
The people who determine who comes in, and occasionally go out, is controlled by the machinery of Government, not the Ministers who pass the actual laws.
Sadly, this machinery is staffed almost entirely by left leaning aparatchics who would sell their grandmothers to be a part of, and benefit from, the largesse and welfare socialism that will--hopefully-- hasten the demise of the European Commission and the nightmare that is the EU.
Funny one. So the english government is not english.
How does it connect to the EU though? Ministers in the EU who pass the actual laws have power on the machinery of government in UK or something?
Even when exposed, 'americans' have this urge to mount that quick and cheap propaganda as they know how.
No discontinuity between an 'american' elite and its base. They behave the same.
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Through the chunnel.
The real story is that 64% of the electorate don't care enough to vote. Now there are four parties fighting over the opinion of 36% of voting public. With a 10% majority, one of the main parties can win comfortably.
'Democracy'. What a fucking joke.
64% know it doesn't matter one whit
In dying Europe, 64% are the 47%.
The rule of the majority, as 'americans' like to explain.
Democracy is the rule by the majority. So yeah, that ten pc will do.
First past the post politics is plurality, not majority rule. The UK is a Parliamentary Sovereignty ('I thought we were an autonomous autocracy', 'he's the only one not covered in shit', etc), the US is a Federal Republic. None us would know democracy even if it pinned us down and teabagged us to death.
the real story is also that last year 23% of Britons when asked in polls did not even know what the heck the EU parliament is
meanwhile I don't understand the rest of your comments. do you have an alternative political system to propose or are you against all systems, period?
I have to admit your "Democracy, what a fucking joke" irks me a bit, yet there are so many nuances to that...
one of the reasons I find the UK incompatible with the european continent is, btw, their First Past The Post electoral system and so their politics
Those 23% of Britains probably googled it after. Probably clicked on the word 'scandal' in the search. Bet that sucked.
I have no particular leaning to any system or other. Do you feel we need to be led?
You've just told me that the UK is a plurality (fptp), yet you are irked that I mock it for not being a democracy? Que?
no, it's just that I have been too much with people who fight for democracy in the seriously tyrannical systems they live in
so hearing/reading "Democracy, what a fucking joke"... I'd wish then I could stage something like an exchange program, that's all
interesting, when I google, I don't get the word scandal in the proposals
Systems are inherently tyrannical due to the need for hierarchy. When used by a species with a deeply animalistic nature there is only one possible conclusion, labels become irrelevant. All these things only exist in our minds though. None moreso that the current system of fiat. We need a revolution in thought, along the lines of C19th before we can hope to change external factors. Our western empire of 'stuff' is in a cyclical decline, perhaps we don't bounce back this time.
EU parliament budget certainly gives the US a run for its Euros in the transparency stakes. (you shouldn't google stuff that commentards say, life's too short!)
Anyway, have a good weekend.
the "real story" is that voters still believe they count.
oh, indeed.
That's why election news should have a sitcom-style laugh track.
truth.
here's my background mu-sick to this morning's ZH read.
Touché.
This is fantastic news!
The english media and blodgsphere was doing the usual troll information about UKIP. Anything that they did was put under the mircoscope and critized.
80% of the political stories were ukip based and 99% of those stories bad.
Free publicity that the others would die for.
Cameron and the other one will be under pressure to give a referendum about the EU.
Will the US and EU send in the kickout Syrian rebels foreign legion to the UK or will it be another tipping point to WW111
I would think that a few more head-chopping Muslims might work in UKIP's favor.
Nothing illustrates the 'joy of diversity' more than a few more heads rolling in the streets of the suburbs.
Good. UK out of the EU, Scotland out of the UK, and next, Ireland can awake from its slumber and kick out the Zioglobalists.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/03/the-misplaced-minister-irel...
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_actions_hostile_to_Irish_people
Wow. Great. Global economy all fixed now.
ONWARD!!!
"If Voting Changed Anything It Would Be Made Illegal"
Move along, move along.