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Putin Post-Mortem: "Unipolar Model Of World Is Over... Give Us Our Money"
Vladimir Putin has concluded his lengthy interview having covered everything from "the end of the unipolar model of the world" - i.e. de-dollarization - to US and Europe's responsibility for Ukraine's "full-scale civil war." The Russian leader noted that he's "trying to help Ukraine" but following the loans from the IMF asks "where's our money?" and warned that US sanctions have had little effect on the Russian economy but will have a boomerang effect. The following distills his 120 minute discussion... Putin "expects common sense to prevail."
- RUSSIAN PRESIDENT PUTIN SPEAKING IN ST. PETERSBURG
- *PUTIN SAYS HE EXPECTS COMMON SENSE TO PREVAIL
De-Dollarization
- *PUTIN SAYS UNIPOLAR MODEL OF WORLD HAS RUN ITS COURSE
- *PUTIN SAYS IMF REFORM HAS HALTED
- *PUTIN: NEW LEADERS DON'T WANT TO HEAR ALTERNATIVE VIEWS
- *PUTIN SAYS ALTERNATIVE CENTERS OF ECONOMIC GROWTH FORMING
- *PUTIN SAYS DOHA ROUND OF WTO ISN'T MOVING FORWARD
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA-CHINA COOPERATION TO HELP BOOST GLOBAL GROWTH
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA TO BOOST RUBLE, YUAN IN TRADE W/ CHINA
Sanctions
- *PUTIN SAYS CLEAR THAT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ARE POLITICAL PRESSURE
- *PUTIN SAYS ECONOMIC SANCTIONS HAVE BOOMERANG EFFECT
- *PUTIN SAYS SANCTIONS TARGETING PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM
- *PUTIN SAYS HE'S PROUD TO HAVE SUCH PATRIOTIC FRIENDS
- *PUTIN SAYS SANCTIONS HURT FRIENDS' BUSINESSES
- *PUTIN SAYS SANCTIONS AREN'T FAIR, AREN'T LEGAL
- *PUTIN SAYS FRIENDS BROUGHT MONEY TO RUSSIA BEFORE SANCTIONS
- *PUTIN SAYS DOESN'T UNDERSTAND TALK ON 3RD ROUND OF SANCTIONS
- *PUTIN SAYS SANCTIONS NOT HAVING WIDESPREAD EFFECT ON ECONOMY
- *PUTIN TELLS BUSINESS NOT TO GIVE IN TO BLACKMAIL, WE'LL HELP
Russian Economy
- PUTIN COMMENTS ON ACCESS TO RUSSIA'S ENERGY DEPOSITS
- PUTIN: RUSSIA'S MOST PROMISING INVESTMENTS ARE ON SHELF
- *PUTIN SAYS KOVYKTA, CHAYANDA HAVE GAS RESERVES FOR 50 YRS
- *PUTIN SAYS CENTRAL BANK'S WORK TO CLEAN UP BANK SYSTEM NOT EASY
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIAN BANK CLEANUP HAS COSTS FOR BUDGET
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA WILL CONTINUE CLEANING UP BANKING SYSTEM
- *PUTIN SAYS NEED TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO CHEAP LOANS FOR SME
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA IS CHANGING, QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVING
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIAN FDI LAST YR ALMOST $80B INCLUDING ROSNEFT
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIAN GROWTH SLOWDOWN HAS FOREIGN, DOMESTIC CAUSES
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA ALREADY RESPONDING TO SLOWER GDP GROWTH
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIAN ECONOMY NEEDS GREATER LABOR MOBILITY
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA MODERNIZING ITS DEFENSE INDUSTRY
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA TO MAKE CHEAPER INVESTMENT FUNDS AVAILABLE
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIAN GOVT, CENTRAL BANK WORKING ON FINANCING
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA TO RECAPITALIZE SYSTEMICALLY IMPORTANT BANKS
Eurasia
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA TO BOOST TIES WITH ASIA, PACIFIC REGION
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA IS WORKING ON MAJOR EURASIAN INTEGRATION
- *PUTIN SAYS MAY 29 EURASIAN ECONOMIC UNION SIGNING IS MAJOR STEP
- *PUTIN SAYS UNION WILL INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS
- *PUTIN SAYS CHINA DEAL BOOSTS ENERGY, METALS, PIPEMAKERS
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA IS CHANGING, QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVING
Ukraine
- *PUTIN SAYS U.S., EUROPE RESPONSIBLE FOR UKRAINE SITUATION
- *PUTIN SAYS U.S., EUROPE WANT RUSSIA TO CLEAN UP THEIR MESS
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE IN CHAOS, CIVIL WAR
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE IN FULL-SCALE CIVIL WAR NOW
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA NOT TO BLAME FOR CIVIL WAR IN UKRAINE
- *PUTIN SAYS WEST SUPPORTED STATE REVOLUTION IN UKRAINE
- *PUTIN SAYS ANY CLASHES WILL END IN TALKS; BETTER THEY START NOW
- *PUTIN SAYS KIEV GOVT CONTINUES PUNITIVE CAMPAIGN IN EAST
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINIAN CIVILIANS DYING FROM MILITARY CAMPAIGN
- *PUTIN SAYS PEOPLE IN UKRAINE WANT COUNTRY TO GET OUT OF CRISIS
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA WILL RESPECT CHOICE OF UKRAINIAN PEOPLE
- *PUTIN SAYS YANUKOVYCH NOT LEGALLY REMOVED FROM PRESIDENCY
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA WANTS SOME KIND OF CALMING IN UKRAINE
- *PUTIN SAYS WANTS PEACE, CALM IN UKRAINE
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA WILL WORK WITH ELECTED UKRAINE PRESIDENT
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE ELECTION DOESN'T MEET MODERN STANDARDS
- *PUTIN SAYS HE PERSONALLY WORKED ON UKRAINIAN PROBLEMS
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE IS VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR HIM
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE PROBABLY NOT VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR U.S.
- *PUTIN SAYS MUST ACT CAREFULLY IN FORMER SOVIET UNION
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA HAS NOTHING TO HIDE ON CRIMEA
- *PUTIN: CRIMEA COULD HAVE BEEN BIGGER TRAGEDY THAN IN ODESSA
- *PUTIN ASKS FOR OBJECTIVE UNDERSTANDING OF DECISION ON CRIMEA
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE ABUSING ITS POSITION AS TRANSIT COUNTRY
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE REFUSING TO PAY UNDER ITS GAS CONTRACT
- *PUTIN SAYS HE KNOWS UKRAINE IN DIFFICULT ECONOMIC SITUATION
- *PUTIN SAYS `WE'RE TRYING TO HELP' UKRAINE, PROVIDED $3B LOAN
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S GAS DEBT IS GROWING
- *PUTIN SAYS `WHERE'S OUR MONEY,' WHERE DID MULTIBILLION HELP GO
- *PUTIN SAYS HE HOPES AGREEMENT CAN BE REACHED ON UKRAINE
- *PUTIN: RUSSIA GAVE ABOUT 10BCM OF GAS FREE TO UKRAINE
- *PUTIN SAYS WEST ISN'T GOING TO BUY UKRAINE'S DEFENSE GOODS
- *PUTIN SAYS 245 UKRAINIAN FIRMS PROVIDE DEFENSE GOODS TO RUSSIA
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA TRIED TO SHOW UKRAINE EU PACT WAS HARMFUL
Europe
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA HAS ONLY SEEN SLOGANS FROM EU
- *PUTIN SAYS EUROPE IS RUSSIA'S MAIN TRADING PARTNER
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA READY TO WORK WITH EU, EU MEMBERS SEPARATELY
- *PUTIN SAYS HOPES EUROPE REMAINS RUSSIA'S KEY TRADING PARTNER
US
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA DIDN'T RUIN RELATIONS WITH U.S.
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA CONTINUES COOPERATION WITH U.S.
- *PUTIN: U.S. WANTS TO CONTINUE MILITARY TRANSIT TO AFGHANISTAN
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA, U.S. HAVE MANY AREAS FOR COOPERATION
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA, U.S. CONTINUE WORK TOGETHER ON IRAN
- *PUTIN SAYS HE'S OPTIMISTIC U.S. TIES CAN BE NORMALIZED
- *PUTIN SAYS U.S. MAY BE SEEKING TRADE ADVANTAGES W/ EUROPE
Snowden
- *PUTIN SAYS SNOWDEN WOULD HAVE LEFT RUSSIA IF NOT FOR U.S.
- *PUTIN SAYS SNOWDEN CONSIDERS HIMSELF HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDER
- *PUTIN SAYS SNOWDEN NOT RUSSIAN AGENT
- *PUTIN SAYS SNOWDEN SITTING IN RUSSIA, NOW WHAT?
- *PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA DOESN'T DUMP OVERBOARD HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS
- *PUTIN SAYS SNOWDEN NOT GIVING RUSSIA ANY INFORMATION
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Vlad is the bomb...
DaddyO
RUN ON THE FED!
:-o
Putin "expects common sense to prevail."
Now that's funny, expecting the numpties in charge of the west to demonstrate common sense...
If this was true in the US, we never would have elected Obozo.
Yea, cause like Don Corleone, he has a Red Army behind him when he's saying it.
Could you imagine Obummer speaking intelligently like this?
If the script was well prepared.
"...corpse-man..."
666: You beat me to it..
I was about to say, can you imagine Obama using the term "common sense" without getting a laugh?
Putin is making our ass hat president look more and more like the liar joke he really is!
Putin says...
this assures 2000 on the spx
Where's Slapdick? He needs to get in here and really fuck shit up! I bet he's on the course again. That stupid fucker!
Thank you obama - you rat cunt.
thats what we deserve for accepting a series of manchurian candidates chosen for us against our best interests.
Tyler... that's a whole lot of Pootin there.
and thank ya!
Perhaps that isn't so much Obama looking bad as doing his job - run the Titantic into the iceberg as fast as possible.
I don't know. I wouldn't doubt it either way.
"I'd like to address you in your own language, but I don't speak Austrian."
another blooper.
He probably still does not know where "Ukraine" is on a map. Betcha!
lakecity:
Seriously, did Obama say that?
If so, can you reference when and where?
Sometimes it's tough to tell sarc from serious; thanks!!
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If the script was well prepared.
.. and the teleprompter fully charged...
Easy to imagine.
Not fair, not legal.
That is 'american' speech...
In Chinaaaaa, AnAnonymous' masters don't understanding meaning of fair or legal, just blobbing up the when and the where they see are fit.
Just as in the U.S., eh Big Jim?
Really too bad we pissed away the high ground since Y2K. The 1900's were the American Century. 2000's, not so much.
But China is a trusty partner for Russia, that is much appreciated on this site.
Type to revise the song.
My goodness, AnAnonymous. Are you the new replacement for the old AnAnonymous?
Your writing style seems to have undergone dramatic improvement.
Maybe what you don't quite grasp about many of the commenters on ZH is the amount of disgust about the CHANGES we have seen in our society and our leadership. Few, if any, harbor any love and affection for other models of structuring societies. We just want our model back. We want our Constitution honored. We want our nation to become a NATION OF LAWS again. We want courts that respect property rights and liberties of individulas, and elected representatives that work for the citizens that vote for them.
So, it is with with various mixtures of anger, disgust, resentment, and even fear that we call out the piss-poor, corrupt politicians, bankers, multi-nationals, and war mongers in the MIC. We long for leadership that will be strong and honest, and try to restore some semblance of honor & integrity. Humans will never be perfect, so no system designed and controlled by them could ever be without problems. We had the best ever, though, in my humble opinion. It has been gradually torn apart, however, as is visible to anyone paying close attention. Don't expect us to kiss the asses of those we consider responsible, and don't misjudge when we express admiration for foreigners who show the leadership skills and sense of patriotism we wish to restore.
Few, if any, harbor any love and affection for other models of structuring societies. We just want our model back.
Exactly right, the good ole' days when children worked in coal mines, black people knew their place, standard oil ran the country, mexicans didn't want to immigrate and if you weren't born rich 99.999% chance on being dirt poor for life. Almost there again!
Aw, fuck off James. You know we worked hard to overcome all of what you outlined, and admit yourself that we are going backward.
Sure, I generally agree with you - follow constitution & respect peoples rights...but don't go backward. You maybe weren't saying it but there's definitely a lot of people who have a narrow recollection of how much better previous decades were.
Why don't you take people for what they say without interjecting your own bias into their thoughts?
drugs
"...and elected representatives that work for the citizens that vote for them."
Isn't this sorta the problem we have now? That they ARE working for the citizens that vote for them. The citizenry needs a ideological enema and a dose of liberty re-education as do our "representatives". How about having representatives that don't work very much at all because there's such limited work actually necessary. We'd all be better off.
Good catch. They need to work for all. They should work for much less as well. How about $25K per year with travel, vouchers for room and board as well as health insurance and the like - for the time they are in office. Tro in some term limits and we might have something.
National governance is so far removed from my influence why bother? Half the voters don't pay taxes. The system is stupid. So are the people who run it. Many in Congress had successful, productive lives pre-government. Why is government a freaking promotion? They go there with "good intentions" and drink the kool-aid via beer bong and if not get by osmosis. What the...? Idiocy.
Obama would need audio input into his ear so he could correctly pronounce the multiple words he doesn't understand on his Teleprompter. Questions would have to be provided in advance, so intelligent sounding answers could be provided by the Teleprompter.
I was impressed with his deliberate responses to questions. No hesitation, no Teleprompter, and no um's and ah's. Love to see Obummer in a similar platform.
Never forget that Obummer wouldn't be there were he someone like Putin. He's just a ventriloquest's dummy with the Permannent Government's hand up his ass.
He can't do it.
His brain is fried from dope and homo sex.
I actually think he has about a tenth-grade education, and I am giving him a break here.
Most transparent administration evah!
Leaders lead, now you know what it looks like...
*PUTIN SAYS HE EXPECTS COMMON SENSE TO PREVAIL
Common sense will prevail? When has that ever happened?
April 19, 1775 and July 4, 1776.
Putin is the only one on stage worthy of the term 'World Leader"
The rest, especially USA/EU asshats are basically bureaucratic thugs
Honestly I have alot of respect for him. He is Lucid, rational, succinct, thoughtful. IN other words, the exact opposite of the hysterical hyperbole we are used to from western politicians.
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"*PUTIN SAYS 245 UKRAINIAN FIRMS PROVIDE DEFENSE GOODS TO RUSSIA"
That says a lot. People think it is about Ukraine but Russia took in Snowden, foiled the plot in Syria, and possibly was behind the attack in Benghazi (as part of the Syrian drama). Russia is being attacked more directly as a result.
Putin draws lines in the sand with his dick.
Who ARE those guys?
You owe me a keyboard!!
DaddyO
Putin took off his translator headset early...to make sure all the subtle items were included in the discussion.
All pistons firing. Tough.
without squatting.
Obama's just pissed that Putin actually has a set of balls, and doesn't need a female handler [Jarrett] to figure his shit out for him.
It's when monkeys like Putin get the loudest that they get taken down, through whatever means.
The louder they get, the harder they fall.
Now I remember why they told us to not eat paint chips when I was a kid.
Pop the pica balloon.
The US barks louder than anyone.
Look everyone. Ignore the usless/greedy paper-pushers. Trade is the only thing that keeps people employed. Putin knows this.
After doing business with a russian firm since 1996, I know exactly what to expect with every shipment/deal. It isn't ideal, but it is what it is and we get paid.
If the corrupt corporate "leadership" and their political puppets in D.C. can't pull there collective heads out of their asses, America will just be just as corrupt as Russia soon, and that won't be good for anyone.
Another good example is Brazil, corrupt as fuck, but when we ship them soybeans, they show me the money.
Far too many useless/greedy fucking paper-pushers getting in the way of bussiness/trade in America. Cut the fuckers out, fine with me.
Someone stinks of fear, and it certainly isn't Putin.
Hedge accordingly.
Agreed, except Amerika is already as corrupt as Russia.
Moar so!
DaddyO
Please, maybe in D.C., but not at the "average Joe" level.
People in 'merica still have it pretty fucking good compared to the average family in Russia.
Not for long, Comrade.
That's when shit gets real, not before.
When was the planet ever… uncorrupt?
A God, Jesus, visited the planet and was sold out and killed. That’s a tough crowd who kills their deity and miracle performing God …. by crucifiction none the less!
No shit sherlock, but but real capital and talent will always flow to where they are respected. That's the fucking point.
"but real capital and talent"
I’m not sure where you are going with that quip, 'real' capital and 'real'' talent.
People and industries that actually make real shit and provide real products will go to the "least corrupt" countries as corruption is a significant cost of doing business.
That fact you don't get this suggests that maybe I can sell you a financial "product" of mass destruction.
That sounds lovely, but I don't see any evidence of it. Seems like New York and London are doing just fine. D.C., too.
In fact, now the multi-nationals control the corruption, and they like it that way, flowing their capital to wherever they can exploit corruption.
Have they always been? please, nothing will change significantly until the supply lines break in earnest. History is very clear on this. Give those SNAP babies in th Bronx all the EBT cards you like, they might behave a little differently when there is no food on the fucking shelves. Then and only then do we see any real changes.
Go talk to a Russian about such welfare programs, they will laugh their ass off.
Same as it ever was...
I thought we were talking about International capital flows and production? WTF?
The fact you don't make the connection speaks volumes.
Sorry, but if you could spell it out for us, we all might get it. As my old pappy used to say, "if you can explain it, I can understand it - if you can't explain it, I'm not interested."
We went from your contention that capital and production run away from corruption (which I questioned) to EBT cards and no food on the shelves.
Those may be conjoined in your mind, but it's quite a leep for mine.
For as long as I've been alive so-called “industry” has been moving to China. By your definition, I guess China must be the least corrupt place on the planet… and has been for a while.
No, industry is moving from one degree of corruption to a lesser degree of corruption, or theft. Take your pick on how it's defined. Besides that, money in voluntary exchange chases lower cost/price of a good or service, always.
LawsofPhysics People and industries that actually make real shit and provide real products will go to the "least corrupt" countries as corruption is a significant cost of doing business.
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Actually the opposite can be true. People and industries can actually seek out corruptable places in order to create dominance. In other words, if one sells a widget, one might seek to dominate that certain widget market by use of corruption. But yes, it is a cost of doing business for them. It is also fascism. And we know it exists.
Right. Not just can, but DO. The evidence is everywhere.
China. Where else?
They just whacked a boat rocker.
He didn't get upgraded to first class until later.
Like the Beatles playing the Cavern Club.
If only JC had a better tour manager, he really could have been Jesus Christ Superstar.
Well said. Jesus is now moving things toward incorruption, but we have quite a ways to go.
When was the planet ever… uncorrupt?
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From 'american' standards, the world is not corrupted as it is an 'american' world.
It is not corruption when you behave the 'american' way.
Since 1776,July,4th, 'Americans' have not behaved another way but the 'american' way.
Corruption happens when one sways away from the set norm.
So, yeah, from an 'american' perspective, the world is currently uncorrupt.
Ah, yes, 'americans' did not kill that god and they've been making a lot of money out of him/her/it.
The two countries are moving in opposite directions.
"Russia willing to deal with European countries separately."
Ie: Russia wants to tear apart the EU to reduce European bargaining power in gas negotiations.
He's no saint either. I agree that he makes Western bureacrats look like clowns in suits though.
the Polish PM has a counterproposal floating since a few weeks: that we in the EU buy together gas from Russia
"Cut the fuckers out,"
Is that a guillotine order?!
Will that be FOB or FAS?!
Wow...now we really do have Oceania, Eastasia and Eurasia. Orwell was just slightly off on the borders for the last 2, but that's a pretty damn good guess 75 years ago
If one substitutes "Al CIAda" for "Emmanuel Goldstein," he pretty much had that down as well.
He missed on guillotines though.
Putin is far more reasonable than the TOTUS who has been droning poor people, signed NDAA, killed American citizens without a trial including a sixteen year old, spying on everyone on this planet, handed NSA data on Americans over to Israel without legal restrictions, persecuted whistleblowers, caused the turmoil in Ukraine and almost started a major war in Syria based on lies about sarin. Well played, Mr Nobel Prize Winner.
Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father. He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process on that logic ought to be grounds for impeachment
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justi...
Actually, it should be grounds for jail.
Jail?! How about guillotine?!
Removal of the offender from office is required before criminal proceedings can be initiated. If Congress doesn't act, no one else can, at least until the offender has left office.
The US Congress, of course, IS one sorry joke, and they are completely happy to have the executive, judicial and lobbying branches of government conduct all "governing", so they can focus on collecting campaign funds, receiving blow-jobs from underlings, and insider-trading.
Article 3, Section 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Consider me Witness One and I'll consider you Witness Two.
fucking United States of Bullshit...
YOUR MOTHER FUCKING CARD HAS BEEN PULLED...
BIATCHEZ!
Ignoring ideological this and that and searches for moral high ground . . . here is all that matters in the interview:
*PUTIN SAYS KOVYKTA, CHAYANDA HAVE GAS RESERVES FOR 50 YRS
From wiki:
The reserves of Kovykta amount to 2 trillion cubic meters of natural gas and more than 83 million tons of gas condensate. The period of active gas production in the Kovykta field is expected to be 30 years, and the period of field development about 50 years
and for CHANYANDA
This includes more than 300 gas and 140 oil wells, four pre-treatment units, one comprehensive gas treatment unit, one oil treatment unit, and three booster compressor stations.[2] The maximum gas production is expected to be up to 25 billion cubic metres per annum (880 billion cubic feet per annum) and oil production up to 1.5 million tonnes per annum.[9] Production of oil is expected to start in 2014 and production of natural gas in 2019.
FYI a ton is 7 barrels. 1.5 X 7 / 365 --> 29K bpd. Tiny oil flow, it's a gas field.
(Psst, contrast with Monterrey Shale)
What about Monterrey Shale?
Please complete your thought....
They've reduced their estimates of recoverable product by 96% or something.
Well Ghordius, I was a day early in Russia laying blame on the EU (and the west).
The bigger picture is that many nations ARE starting to question the US model of the world. Good for the world, bad for nations who use the FRN as their currency.
pods
What nations are they?
Do they matter actually?
'Americanism' is gaining speed everywhere. And this should mean people questioning it?
Don't you mean American citizenism?
How was police training? Did the Roman Turtle formation work out as well as the pictures indicated?
pods
'Americanism' is 'americanism'.
If you want good police training, go and find an 'american' instructor. They are the finest.
Romans are outdated. And by far, no match for 'americans' in that department.
Ask an 'american' a simple question, his cheap propaganda is exposed and then, you've got an 'american' answer.
The way it works in an 'american' world.
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That is a point which corresponds well with reality.
If you want good peace officer training, though, alternatives must be sought. That course is discontinued in US of A curricula.
+1, pods, you have been proven right. btw: note this point on IMF reform. there, it's all shareholders on one side and the US Congress on the other
On the IMF, I think the same people who own the IMF are the same ones who own Congrress.
pods
they don't want to increase (or decrease) the American stake, and all the others are asking for moar IMF funds
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working to the same script(s) handed 'em years, decades, eons ago, no?
the only difference is the me-duh is co-operating, and more peoples are getting the message to move their opinions to an other'd *side* - a new Leader-meme forms, followers vote their new faves. . .they don't call 'em HERDS for nuthin.
lordy but this is a predictable bore.
disagree. there is a US model of the world. and part of it is based on the previous hegemon, the British Empire
nevertheless, those models change during time. LOL, "lordy but this is a predictable bore" are you a near-immortal that personally remembers the Babylonian Empire and goes "gosh, not again"?
or do you crave more drama? ;-) seriously, all this detached otherwordliness does not suit you that much. of course some operational scripts are built in in empires. it just proves that they are something like... living things
there is a "model world" being sought, although calling it a "US" model is merely assigning the most recently model'd ideal version.
the various nationstate models are tried, worn on the catwalks, trotted out for the season(s), discarded for the seemingly newer.
when anyone really paying attention can see The Designers cut to Patterns, the models are merely the latest Cultural Fashion.
Western Civilisation. so retro. look to the Eastern flag-waving to see what you'll be wearing next Season.
((or opt out of the whole script, choices))
This could very well just be moving the sheep to a different pen.
But, in order for this captive earth fleece the people setup to work everyone has to be on board.
With everyone on board, you have some big egos having to bow down to other big egos. (speaking of national "leaders.")
It only takes one big one to upset the whole apple cart. And game theory says that whoever ditches this system first will benefit the most from not having to deal with the inevitable debt implosion.
So it is going to happen. Bankers are not gods walking among us. And nature likes entropy.
Imagine if enough people realize that banks actually do not lend deposits?
Every regime change (reserve currency change) invites doubt into the system as a whole.
It is gonna pop. My guess is soon.
pods
"Imagine if enough people realize that banks actually do not lend deposits?"
LOL. boggles the mind. no, I'm sorry, can't imagine that. the whole system works because for most people all those things monetary and banking are absolutely beyond their grasp, and mostly because they find it utterly boring
look at my avatar. do you have any idea how seldom it is that HERE ON ZH of all places someone has a serious chat about monetary matters? perhaps twice a year
and what would the same people do, if they realized? ask for ultra-cheap mortgages? or just "money for free"? claim "deficits don't matter"?
the whole construct you are talking about is similar to a bridge, from the present to the future. a way of cheating that still "works". "honest" people would build an "honest" dam. instead, we have a bridge and monetary pontifexes that constantly discuss if that part can't be sold, too, then last time we sold that part and the bridge did not collapse
it's risk they are taking. like a chance of 5% of USD HY, at least until 2017
yet it does not have to happen. because the name of that brigde is... confidence. the big bully brother of hope
having said that, yes, eventually
The function is conversion of matter into energy.
The game is economics.
The rewards are privileges and entitlements.
Nothing is ever fair.
Humanity is a non-linear dissapative system.
pods,
there is no need to move sheep anywhere, all that needs to happen is sheep minds shift to the dog-whistle.
what's happening is the call to move minds to another part of the "penned field" - some will resist, get nipped - but most will believe in their new choices, will cheer their single option, seemingly chosen.
yes, a shift in fiat will certainly shift the minds that use it - confusing many, angering even more, despair will be apparent, blahblahblah.
but ultimately, the absolute majority of humans will look "above" them for the Leader to fall behind, a comforting story told them all their lives, top down hierarchies, someone looking over/out for them, like Gods & uniformed Leaders.
and some of us will just continue to watch - "doubt the System as a whole"? - yes! but so rare in humans.
dedollarization(z) iz here, now pay up (in usd) bitchovitchez! vlad you make me raff out roud (rearry roud!).
'Putin says' is the new 'Simon says'
Mother (Russia) may I?
Putin "expects common sense to prevail."
I hope he doesn't actually expect this.
That was a lot of headlines to read through to get to the point:
Wow, that was kind of buried in the speech.
The bottom line is it's all one big shit show for our consumption, and everybody is jockeying for position on the world stage as the petro-dollar fades from existence. The bankers are still behind the scenes pushing the NWO agenda.
The end of the dollar would enable a large ratchet down on western living standards.
Well, for the bottom 80% or so.
Ratchet down like Baumgartner!
"The end of the dollar would enable a large ratchet down on western living standards."
Counterfitting of US Dollars by the Federal Reserve is hiding the fact that we don't produce enough to sustain our standard of living.
What's unsustainable will end.
astute
wasteful standard of living was never needed anyway.
We don't produce enough because they've essentially made non-cartel production impossible - or at least prohibitively difficult.
Yes but the bankers need a fiat reserve currency to replace the dollar. Where are they headed with that? SDR's, save the dollar (too late this time)?
This is an 'american' world and this is an 'american' world order.
The USD structures the world in a pyramidal scheme. The top gets all the benefits, the bottom all the drawbacks.
Both China and Russia took a seat when offered in the 'american' scheme of ways.
Both countries are also far from being bottom ones, meaning they benefit a lot from the USD.
Just posturing to keep on character. Until now, Putin has played no card that could show he is going against the 'american' world order.
'American' attacks are blatant, obvious to all. When you have spent a large part of your life staging yourself as a strong man, either you keep the show going or you dont.
When Putin makes moves to disengage from the USD by dissing out the benefits Russia gets out of it, then he walks the walks.
Until that day, welcome to an actor's show.
This is a Mexican standoff world.
It won't last forever.
Mexican standoff? reminds me of the Cold War. did not last forever, nothing does
Mexican stand off?
Don't get between Bath House and Vlad's Big Russian Dick if you don't wanna get run over.
It wont last forever. But 'americans' are in no hurry to terminate that one.
Because this is the last stop.
Once that stage is consumed, there will no place for 'americans' to move. Or settling distant worlds has turned a reality in the meantime.
So 'americans' are in no hurry. They will want that last step to last forever. They will make it last as long as they can because after that...
Right on.
You don't understand the only thing that matters.
Oil.
Putin might be playing the long game. He is not shoving the petrodollar, just adding a gentle nudge to the direction it is naturally headed in, primarily by protecting his own country's interests. Maybe he plans to just stay stable and wait for nature (economic) to take its course. Sometimes the best offense is a defense.
>>>Putin might be playing the long game.
You can count on Putin's playing the long game.
The Putin-Hitler comparison is useful in one way: Hitler showed the world what a major nation run by an talented, impatient psychopath could do. Putin is showing us what a major nation run by a patient, talented non-psychopath can do over the long haul.
I missed the headline
* PUTIN SAYS MOST LIKELY RUSSIA WILL LOSE TENS BILLIONS IN THE GAS DEAL WITH CHINA OVER 30 YEARS
Tens of billions of what?
So he sends gas to China and not his enemies -- and there is nowhere else for them to get it.
The dollars don't matter when world domination is pursued.
"PUTIN SAYS HE EXPECTS COMMON SENSE TO PREVAIL" I don't know why he expects that to occur - been a long while since there's been any common sense prevailing anywhere, especially in the US.
*Putin sez: get in line! an Orderly Line.*
What's our Barack O'bumfuck say? "What time do the links open?"....
You know, all these guys are beholden to one degree or another to TPTB. Some more, some less. No doubt the BRICS are trying to stay independent of the PTB.
That said, you have to admit, the Bath House is a Big Fucking Failure even as a Puppet!!
I mean, if you are a failure at even being a puppet, you are pretty much just a piece of dog poop to be scraped offa shoe.
I'm starting to think he's maybe a hologram.
Putin talks a lot of sense. Most who glean facts from internet research, rather than those who swallow the MSM smokescreen, understand the role of the USA & EU in stirring up Ukraine. Russia will most likely play a long game, waiting for gas payments which have already been taken the "government" in Ukraine. Let's hope they're paid before the winter, or many will suffer.
You have to like this guy. Notice the difference in styles now between the East and West:
NO:
"My feelings are hurt"
"I am shocked to learn of this"
"No one told me anything, it is not my fault"
"Please love me everybody...Mommy"
" I have not had an award lately - Nobel where are you.."
Why pile on Vlad? You knew Barry was angry over the whole VA scandal. He might be too angry to play golf now.
You willing to put money on it?
I think as long as VJ is the man behind the curtain Obummer will play as much golf as possible.
Vlad Putin is doing exactly what Obummer set out to do, displace the USFRN as the lead dog on the currency sled.
DaddyO
The de-dollarization is happening at a rapid clip.The dumb masses have absolutly no clue. Change is a coming, and I don't mean the token Obozo's hope&change crap.
Russia is still under the thumb of criminal oligarchs, and naturally Vlad is, has to be, in bed with some of them. It's certainly better for the average Russian than it was under Yeltsin, whose firesale of Russian wealth, almost exclusively to Jewish billionaires, was one of the great outright thefts of history.
The Ukrainian oligarchs, also mostly Jews, are firmly on the side of ZATO. As GW pointed out, the most despicable one of all, likely with ties to Mossad, was responsible for the holocaust of dozens of civilians in Odessa.
http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2014/05/mastermind-of-odessa-massacre-e...
There is, apart from the CIA, a 5th column in Russia, and I would expect that the ZATO playbook at this point calls for an assassination attempt or coup.
And it would be executed by the same folks who murdered the Tsar and murdered tens of millions of Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox Christians.
And the hidden hand, acting out in the open, can count on the press, and many of you, to refuse to discuss who they are and why they act. Just as wikipedia dissembles re "jewish bolshevism" ( antisemitic canard! Really!!) And just as nowhere in the msm has the truth of Odessa discussed.
Who is like The Beast? Who can stand against him?
"Russia is still under the thumb of criminal oligarchs"
Please replace "Russia" with any number of countries and the statement would be true ( Russia included)
You really need to get out more.
There are members of your tribe who are criminals, yet you don't support them with personal fealty. If criminals exist in other tribes, you want to exterminate that other tribe; knowing you are really only going to kill the little guy who is honest.
Do you wonder why others pay no mind to what you say? I'm not talking about here on Zerohedge, but life in general...
I don't want to exterminate anyone, I want to be able to discuss the wildly disproportionate power, transnationally, of a specific ethnoreligious group, without insipid, obtuse, old fucks like you screaming your predictable inanities in response.
Honestly, is this the best you can do? Aren't you embarrassed?
By chance, were you in Belgium this weekend?
Translation: blah blah blah blame Jews, blah blah blah blame Israel, blah blah blah blame Mossad, blah blah blah, blame CIA, blah blah blah, blame USA blah blah blah Christians are victims.
You need to up your hasbara game, dummy. This is just piss poor.