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Power-Sharing, As Un-American As Humble Pie

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It could be in the nature of those holding power, irrespective of ethnicity or other set apart characteristics; but power-sharing in today’s America, or yesterday’s for that matter, does not have much of a following.  Compromise in the international arena is basically reserved for dead-end situations where force majeure doesn’t allow Americans to impose their will, such as grudgingly accepting MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) during these past five decades.  Does any student of the global body politic think for a minute that Russia would be standing today free from the claws of the American empire were it not for US’s fear that militarily attacking her would reduce us all to ashes?
On the eve of presidential elections in Ukraine we find ourselves at a loss as to what might be happening after the votes are counted and a new government takes the reins in Kiev.  Vladimir Putin must be confident that whoever oligarch gets elected will have sufficient common sense to negotiate with its big sibling to the east and assure her that she won’t be raped by the United States with the EU-NATO preparing the rendezvous stage.  Or at least Putin is making it clear to Petro Poroshenko, the candidate likely to succeed as projected by pollsters (possibly without the need for a June 15 runoff), and a dozen and a half other candidates, that Russia’s government will respect the will of the Ukrainian people… “while the elections are closely watched.”
Contrary to blatant propaganda ignited by an insincere West (the US and NATO nations), Putin’s government has no intention of enlarging the Russian Federation with Ukrainian Real Estate, Crimea being an isolated and key military bastion in the Black Sea which needed to return to the Motherland.  All Putin, and overwhelmingly the Russian people, are after is the assurance of a buffer state in Ukraine without US missiles pointing at Moscow, and that implies a nation that would not join NATO, and some form of regional confederation that will allow the Russia-friendly eastern part of Ukraine to keep balance of power in Kiev.


Russia has provided economic help to Ukraine in the form of energy subsidies and a strong bilateral trade, probably as reward for much for her neutrality in the East-West competitive face-off as for the two nations common ancestry and heritage.  It would seem as insane for Russia to take on, willingly, the economic problems associated with bringing Ukraine to the Federation… not even the current secessionist areas of Donetsk and Luhansk.
Poroshenko has often suggested that Ukraine joining NATO would not be such a good idea.  And several other candidates appear to agree with that assessment.  It is Yulia Tymoshenko, the loud Fatherland voice and mother-hen of the extreme right (so-called fascists in pejorative terms), that is clearly committed to a marriage with the West without failing to recognize that a marriage still exists between Russia and Ukraine… and that trying to force a divorce to allow Ukraine’s remarriage may bring dire consequences for everyone in Yulia’s beloved Fatherland.
Current polls give her less than 10 percent of the vote; however, if a runoff is required she could command perhaps as much as a third of the vote… perhaps even more.  And, although that would not elevate her to the presidency, it could create political chaos since the present leadership in Euromaidan has served notice that the government to be elected had better meet their demands, which include major clean-up in economic and political corruption… and closer ties to the European Union.  Meeting those demands in a nation corruptly-ran by fewer than a dozen oligarchs represents more a formidable task… perhaps an impossible task.  Unlike Putin, who was able to subdue the Russian oligarchy, Poroshenko doesn’t appear to possess the leadership to do quite the same thing in Ukraine.
And that, unfortunately, leaves the door open to a possible civil war… and Russia’s foregone intrusion to safeguard her own interests.
Meantime our neocon-infested State Department and the Pentagon continue to provide imprimatur to America’s corporate media to propagate lies demonizing Putin and Russia and glorifying our American empire.  Yet, we are the folks who started the entire mess in Ukraine.
Our forefathers must be turning in their graves!  Unfortunately, power-sharing is proving to be as un-American as humble pie.


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Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:37 | 4791657 kchrisc
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"Must bake more cookies."

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:44 | 4791668 Newsboy
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US Special forces and commandos from 16 countries practiced invading Tampa Florida.

"Power sharing"?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:51 | 4791679 0b1knob
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Something going on in LA too.   I saw 6 Chinook helicopters fly over in formation Thursday.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:06 | 4791701 jbvtme
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Tampa...and the slack jaws watched and took pictures like they were at disney world...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:09 | 4792026 August
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“If you see military helicopters flying over downtown Tampa next Tuesday, it’s not a sign that we are under attack by the Russians, the North Koreans or the New World Order,” said The Tampa Tribune.

Two out of three's not bad.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 22:02 | 4792406 palmereldritch
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Say...the helicopters in that picture are black...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:09 | 4791685 Son of Captain Nemo
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'US Special forces and commandos from 16 countries practiced invading Tampa Florida.

"Power sharing"?"...

Yeah and to top off that bit of news that you just provided?  We know of course this will be the fair and clean election the UN and NATO is famousfor ... Certainly hope Debold has their voting machines to make the unelected/hijacked Junta's free and fair election process the success we know it will be!!!


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:18 | 4791817 New Ordnance
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Tampa is the venue one would expect.

SOCOM is located at MacDill AFB.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:37 | 4791852 Son of Captain Nemo
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More made in the U.S.A.  Bet they're mercs from Academi...

Lest we forget, this is what PFC Manning went to prison for life for releasing the video of a "double tapping" that involved journalists in Iraq!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 21:22 | 4792319 kchrisc
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I like the effort they go through to fake that they are trying to repel an "invasion." They know, and we know, that we are already here.

" is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government..."


"I disguised my guillotine as an oil derrick."

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:39 | 4791658 Son of Captain Nemo
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On the issue of "power sharing"...

I think either Zero Hedge or GW need to promote this campaign to urge Russia on to tell the World once and for all who did "it"!

Nothing like a little "Truthseeker" to start pushing your world in the right direction along with "de-dollarization"!

Not like the lemming Nation called America even with the help of AE/911 Truth were ever going to get the job done! 

Let's face it...

It takes a "nuclear superpower" being threatened by another "nuclear superpower" to pull it off!

Bet China and India stay out of this one for obvious reasons given their involvement!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:27 | 4791729 Jack Burton
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Great link Captain Nemo! I saw the Truthseeker a few months back make an epic exposure of the role of Western NGOs inside Russia, Ukraine and across other nations seen as not following Washington's agenda. He followed the money and followed the actual personel that the NGO's hire. The entire Western NGO agenda is written and directed by the CIA and US State Department. They use highly paid locals as 5th columnists who turn traitor for money. This is a tactic to spead Washington's influence, and has been used to the tune of 5 billions dollars in payouts to Ukrainians. Like the Euro Maidan protestors, they were being paid 40-50 Euros a day via NGOs to work full time as professional protestors. They were even paid before Euro Maidan broke out, during their time in Polish and Baltic training camps. In this way, an army of NGO funded professional protestors could be kept on call to respond to orders from Wahington DC.

Well, it goes way beyond Ukraine. NGO's are a world wide branch of the CIA.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:50 | 4791677 Atomizer
Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:08 | 4791705 Son of Captain Nemo
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Isn't it wonderful when Americans and Jews get together to make comedy gold out of genocide?...  I'm sure about 100 years ago out West there were stand up comedians in the Saloons of the day like Larry David delivering the same "Schtick"... Replace Navajo and Apache with Palestinian!

Keep an eye on the History Channel and PBS. 

You know somethings on it's way when they break out the Holocaust again for all to see even only 3 months after pictures of Vicky Nuland at the U.S. State Department is seen with the newly installed temporary-of-course Svoboda and Right Sector bosses popping-up!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:20 | 4791721 ObamaDepression
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I seem to recall the USSR starving millions of Ukrainians to death.

Perhaps you can replace Navajo with Ukranians and US with Soviets.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:36 | 4791739 Son of Captain Nemo
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"I seem to recall the USSR starving millions of Ukrainians to death.

Perhaps you can replace Navajo with Ukranians and US with Soviets."....


Glad you raised that point.  Same "schtick" from the West.

I believe it was a wandering comedy troup from England and France called the The "Bubby Brothers Rothschild" that did that one as well!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:40 | 4791745 Jack Burton
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You think the USSR only starved and killed Ukrainians? This was part of the collectivization of Agriculture under the Georgian dictator Stalin. Ukraine suffered worst only because it was the largest area of peasant agriculture. The killing went on everywhere private farming was taking place, all across ethinc Russia lands as well. The labor death camps were jammed full of all ethnic groups seen as a threat to the USSR.

In 1941, the Germany invasion of Ukraine unleashed an epic assault on jews by the local Ukrainian populations. Many concentration camp guards and death squad members were drawn from Western Ukraine. Germany recruited an SS division from West Ukraine. One reason the jews were such targets in 1941 was because of the heavy presence of jews in the communist party. And during the collectivzation of agriculture, there were many urban jews communists who formed the collectivization battlions who went into the country side to steal food and arrest peasants. Churches were also leveled by the same groups during the great terror and starvation.

This is all basic history, but since American children do not learn history in public schools, it is natural that they would know little of these events. It is not their fault. America has no use for people with historical knowledge, those knowing nothing are easier to manipulate and control to support Washington's neo-con fascism.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:38 | 4791843 teslaberry
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i think the problem is that many anti-semites consider all jews bankers and don't like the narrative that jews were in fact slaughtered.


they dislike being reminded of this, because they know, RIGHTLY SO. that the jews (of which I am one) place too much emphasis on their own genocide at the expense of many other groups---crowding out the 'sympathy play' in mass media. 



unfortunately this reality of trans--human appreciation of murder doesn't really work well with any narrative of placing one human being, let alone one group, over another. AND THIS TRANSHUMAN REALITY IS BORN OF A WIDE HISTORICAL VIEW. whereas-----most people, anti-semite and jew lover and everyone who could care less-----are almost exclusively concerned with ONLY the present. they don't care to understand the wider context of humanity. only the here and now. YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST MINDSET that is so easily sold over television. you cannot love or fear history, but you can be easily tricked into tribalism or made to fear the infiltrators---no matter which group you are in. jew, non jew, jesuit, atheist, white black, yellow red blue, polka dots. 


the politics of victimization, and the politics of tribalism, nationalism etc....all weave a web of emotional frameworks meant to increase some leader , somewherer's, power---to the detriment of the individual who is tricked or willling participates in dedicating the power of his identification with--and then to---the greater cause to which he sees himself supplicant.


and the opposite notion---that we are all one human species comprised of near identical individuals, and all should work together, is also obvious horseshit globalist universalist religious nonsense. there is no universal culture, universal morality, universal identity. even the very notion of the 'family' is not universal. although it's probably as close as you can get. perhaps even more-so the mother-child relationship is as close as you can get to defining universalism. because it is rooted in an immutable animal power--the ability of the womb to create life----and the relationships stemming from pregancy birth and breast-feeding. and yet, some women will kill their newborns and some won't. so even women--in their most common role as mothers---- are not all 'the same'.

genetically, we are not all the same. some human beings are taller , shorter, SICKER< HEALTHIER---all FROM BIRTH. 

THE LOGIC OF DIVERSITY AND TOLERANCE DOES NOT REALLY FULLY INTEGRATE WITH THE LOGIC OF UNIVERSALISM. it is a PARADOX. how can we respect the healthier individual when we ask him for more of his money and wealth to pay for the sicker person? we are not respecting his difference, we are holding it AGAINST HIM. BY ATTEMPTING TO HOLD A UNIVERSAL STANDARD ABOVE EVERYONE'S HEAD. 






Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:45 | 4791864 dsty
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actually the problem is sin, original sin at the root, not made up, it is the way we are

we are looking at the end of all that, on our own we are doomed

but there is hope, and it isn't in man, it is not made up but real

all this did not happen by mere chance, no way

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:24 | 4791935 Sean7k
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Nice rant and I up arrowed it, which I normally wouldn't do- why? The term anti-semite is a propaganda pejorative of choice for the jews.However, I did enjoy your view on history and being mindful of a longer viewpoint. Probably didn't need to yell at the end. 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 20:22 | 4792184 teslaberry
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yea sorry bout all caps. 

the politics of victimization could not be possible but for the fact that victimization does in fact exist. racism exists , genocides, and everything else exists. the world isn't fair and the politics of 'unfairness' exploits the anger that results from confronting this unfairness. 


more useful is learning the philosphy of stoicism and accepting the world is unfair and finding productive methods of dealing with that reality. sometimes, there are few choices but to fight or flight from an unfair system. the former rarely is useful to individual who fights, but only to the group at large that has a small chance of benefiting from a potential win, but a huge upside should they get their way. the flight strategy is extremely productive. 

the refugee dynamic is one that defines human history. moses, mohammed, and even jesus to some extent--(as a traveller) all refugees. all nomads. the pilgrims. the quakers. other german protestant groups. that had formed early american groups. they too in turn created problems for native americans. the cycle of history is in some way a cycle of misery, and what is left, are those who survive and the narratives they bring with them.

i only use these examples to show how productive 'running away' can be for people and communities. 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:37 | 4791964 TheSecondLaw
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Thanks for this. Respect.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:49 | 4791873 New Ordnance
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In September of 1932 Stalin seized all food in the Ukraine. The ample grain harvest was collected and sold to the West. 10 million Ukraines starved to death in the winter of 1932-33.

Lest these events remain a studied abstraction, the visceral reality can be experienced in "The Soviet Story" embedded down the scroll here.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:46 | 4791979 Volkodav
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Same was in Russia and Kazakhstan.

significant fact left out of the western narrative which is twisted to blame Russians instead of the real culprits.

Truth is that Russian people suffered more than any.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 20:02 | 4792150 New Ordnance
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The real culprits in my view are the monsters who orchestrate these conflicts, playing tyrants of the West againts tyrants of the East. The ensnared populations of both sides are the cannon fodder that feed the dialectic.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:54 | 4791889 LeftyGoldblatt
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The Unknown Eastern Front: The Wehrmacht and Hitler's Foreign Soldiers

By Rolf-Dieter [Professor of Military History at Humboldt University, Berlin]

(28 Feb 2014)

Excerpt from Chapter 18 – Ukraine

The total number of Ukrainians bearing arms for the German war effort is estimated at 250,000.

Some units were lucky to be called ‘Galician’, because the Western Powers declared them a ‘Polish outfit’ and did not turn them over to Stalin but interned them in Rimini.

Upon their release, many of them emigrated to Canada or the United States, where large Ukrainian communities emerged which upheld the idea of an independent homeland.

Some of these immigrants were paid a visit by public prosecutors as late as the 1980s and 1990s for lying about their military service with the Germans or for being suspected of war crimes.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:23 | 4791829 Volkodav
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Soviet was never a Russian construct

From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control

Stalin was not a Russian

Kruschev was Ukrainian

better worry about your own country

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:49 | 4791870 sti100
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Does it mean Germany has NO fault for WWII?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:42 | 4791971 Volkodav
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Ignorant post.

Only the thinking, intelligent and honest will know who starts wars..

Better look the real culprits...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 22:33 | 4792431 intric8
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Sat, 05/24/2014 - 22:32 | 4792461 intric8
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We started it, no question.

Conventional wisdom for any #1 world power is to have #2 and #3 squabbling with each other to limit their powers.

#2 and #3 just teamed up against #1

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:54 | 4791683 Miffed Microbio...
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Psychopaths never share power. To expect such behavior is to deny the reality what game is really being played here.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:57 | 4791689 BOPOH
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Russia has it mission, and always had - saving te world, when no one can.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:24 | 4791940 sti100
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I will welcome anybody who will  save use from corrupt and unfair state structures, government, banksters/oligarchs..... and to help us become more free and self responsible people.

But please Russia do not save us like previously East Germany (vs. West Germany ), East EU (vs. West EU ), North Korea/Vietnam ( vs South Korea, Hongkong, Taiwan ), Kuba (vs. north America )

There is a good reason why East EU states ( former members of USSR led Warshaw pact ), Baltic states wanted to join NATO. I believe they feel now much safer (than Ukrainians) as they see Russian military exercises around Ukraine. Russia shows now that it could be a real danger for their neighbors.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:32 | 4792644 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Russia shows now that it could be a real danger for their neighbors.

The current situation infirms this possibility.

You are free to remain confused but Russia is not the USSR. Never was.

That factual observation... hard under the belt blow for most propagandists in here.

Before that, you have a bulk of points, where everything is difficult to systematize.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:59 | 4791690 ebworthen
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Proposal to let NATO into Ukraine = Russian tanks roll.

Dumbest, idea, ever.  But so was the West backing a neo-Nazi putsch in Kiev.

What will these impending "elections" be about?  The elected ruler was deposed in the coup.

Any new President will have less validity than the former one, especially with Ukrainian troops attacking voters in the East.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:16 | 4791714 q99x2
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You cannot include the 50 states outside of Washington D.C. as the United States when you mean Washington D.C. They are two very different societies.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:21 | 4791933 lakecity55
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DC is almost the polar opposite of We The people who work and try to do the Right Thing.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:42 | 4793291 litemine
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This may be true but until You get it together and do something........anyone else would justify the American Elite to escalate what they are doing already............NO?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:17 | 4791715 ObamaDepression
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With all respect to the author, his statment is both laughable and outlandish. He wrote:

Contrary to blatant propaganda ignited by an insincere West (the US and NATO nations), Putin’s government has no intention of enlarging the Russian Federation with Ukrainian Real Estate, Crimea being an isolated and key military bastion in the Black Sea which needed to return to the Motherland.  All Putin, and overwhelmingly the Russian people, are after is the assurance of a buffer state in Ukraine without US missiles pointing at Moscow

So we are to believe that the invasion of Georgia to the East and Crimea to the West was not an enlargement of Russia? The facts say otherwise.

Putin and Russian just want assurances of a buffer state without missiles? Last I checked Obama started his administration by cancelling missile defense in Poland. Georgia was never a candidate for US missile defense. So what has changed in 5 years? A more aggressive Russia taking advantage of a weak US President to rebuild the Soviet Empire.

I completely understand other country's dislike of US hegemony and destructive economic policies. But this analysis is both dissingenuous and belies the facts.

I have no dog in this fight. I'm not "cheering" for East or West. I'm cheering for freedom and democracy. Ukraine will find true freedom neither with Nato nor Russia.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:27 | 4791730 BOPOH
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Typical representative of a shallow american mind

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:20 | 4791818 Volkodav
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da   normal is a mile wide and an inch deep...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:41 | 4791750 InspectorBird
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Exactly, its sad to see that ZH and so many other alternative news sites display this as black and white, good and bad. And because US/West is corrupt to the core then that MUST mean that Russia/East is automatically all good. In reality its not black and white at all. Every situation must be examined objectively and East can engage is deception, lies and propaganda just as much as West. And no, im not some "dumb american", i actually live in former republic of USSR and speak fluent Russian...

The fact is that every superpower is after their own interests and they dont care if they have to lie, kill, etc. 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:24 | 4791936 ObamaDepression
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I wish ZH would just disclose what interests (if any) they have in Russia given their reporting on this issue.

My previous ID (Missiondweller) was banned after 4+ years after I objected to pro-Russian/ anti-American posts. I was given neither an explanaition nor a warning. My account was just deleted.

Though I appreciate being able to post once again, I think the ZH readers deserve some type of disclosure. If the writers are Russian, fine, at least I know where they're coming from.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 03:14 | 4792796 sti100
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I used to read ZH because I do not want to eat only official propaganda.

I do not want US/ EU/ Russian or any other propaganda. I wish here well balanced information.

But my feeling is that US/Russia related political articles is similar what I'm reading from Russian propaganda. It could be clearly observed that on ZH all pro Russia (anti West ) is described as good,and anti Russia (pro West ) is described wrong.

I'm sure ZH readers deserves more balanced information.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:59 | 4791775 JR
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These warmonger phrases, “invasion of Georgia to the East and Crimea to the West" for the "enlargement of Russia" are false, of course. But more than that, they are falsehoods of war whereby literally millions have died when patriotism is ignited by deception and lies that have created endless war.

The fact is, it was the Georgian president who aggressively rolled into Tskhinvali, capital of tiny South Ossetia, as an occupier and contrary to what the warmongers say, it was Putin who came to these people’s rescue.

In August 2008, as the world's leaders gathered in Beijing for the Olympic games, it was Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, ”hot-headed and erratic,” who made the first move, fighting over Takhinvali. As Pat Buchanan wrote at the time:

“It began with a stunning artillery barrage on Tskhinvali, capital of tiny South Ossetia, a province that had broken free of Tbilisi when Tbilisi broke free of Russia. As Ossetians and Russian peacekeepers fell under the Georgian guns, terrified Ossetians fled into Russia.

“Saakashvili's blitzkrieg appeared to have triumphed.

“Until, that is, Russian armor, on Vladimir Putin's orders, came thundering down the Roki Tunnel into Ossetia, sending Saakashvili's army reeling. The Georgians were driven out of Ossetia and expelled from a second province that had broken free of Tbilisi: Abkhazia.

“The Russians then proceeded to bomb Tbilisi, capture Gori, birthplace of Joseph Stalin, and bomb Georgian airfields rumored to be the forward bases for the Israelis in any pre-emptive strike on Iran.”

Said Buchanan:” What made this war of interest to Americans, however, was that Bush had long sought to bring Georgia into NATO. Only the resistance of Old Europe had prevented it.

“And had Georgia been a member of NATO when Saakashvili began his war, U.S. Marines and Special Forces might have been on the way to the Caucasus to confront Russian troops in a part of the world where there is no vital U.S. interest and never has been any U.S. strategic interest whatsoever.”

Days later, there came another startling discovery.

McCain’s Jewish foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, had been paid $290,000 by the Saakashvili regime, from January 2007 to March 2008, to get Georgia into NATO, and thus acquire a priceless U.S. war guarantee to fight on Georgia's side in any clash with Russia.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:19 | 4791931 lakecity55
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McPain is a fuckin whore.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:21 | 4792058 August
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You are, in truth, giving whores a bad name.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:26 | 4791948 ObamaDepression
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Oh I see, I'm mistaken. Georgia and Crimea invaded Russia right?


And I'm a war monger for pointing out the facts!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:36 | 4791961 Volkodav
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Georgia killed Russian Peacekeepers and murdered South Ossetian civilians including Russian citizens.

South Ossetians are completely different people from Georrgians.

Stalin was a Georgian.

Crimea? yes I suppose you could say Crimea invaded Russia..

or returned home...

Crimea huge majority voted to leave Ukraine and requested to be joined Russian Federation.

Crimea is still celebrating.

Your biased ignorance is showing



Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:39 | 4791965 ObamaDepression
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"yes I suppose you could say Crimea invaded Russia.."

Who could argue with such brilliant logic?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 21:17 | 4792312 TNTARG
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You forget the US is (and has been) wandering all around Russian neighbours. All around everybody. It's the bad boy on everybody's block. Including newyorkers.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 21:36 | 4792337 Omen IV
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allowing a US Embassy  to open is a game of death

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:16 | 4791808 Volkodav
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useless talkings

proved you know nothing about S Ossetia/Georgian conflict

proved you know nothing/chose to ignore Crimea facts


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:59 | 4791851 dsty
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Russia does plan on taking back the eastern block!

Perstroika was just a temporary tactical move, those of us that have followed communistic tactics knew that

But the US has no business doing what is doing either

Russia has also done plenty of training of terrorists

It also began making tactical moves in Islamic countries in the 60's when they realized they could use them against the US, paid off pretty good.

So both sides are itching for a fight, I am thinking we are not willing to follow thru when things get ruff

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:56 | 4792139 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Russia does plan on taking back the eastern block!

Perstroika was just a temporary tactical move, those of us that have followed communistic tactics knew that

Activate the net.kook alert!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:16 | 4792605 dsty
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 educate yourself 4th stge

many here seem to be unaware

The following strategic objectives of ‘perestroika’ may be distinguished:

For the USSR

(a) ‘Restructuring’ and revitalization of the Soviet socialist economy through the incorporation of some elements of the market economy.
(b) ‘Restructuring’ of the Stalinist regime into a form of ‘Communist democracy’ with an appearance of political pluralism [= ‘democratism’, or false democracy].
(c) ‘Reconsructing’ a repressive regime with a brutal face into an attractive socialist model with a human façade and seeming similarity to the Swedish social democratic system.’

For Eastern Europe

‘Economic and political ‘restructuring’ of the existing regimes into pseudo-social democratic models while preserving specific national historical features such as the strong Catholic Socialist tradition in Poland and the pre-war democratic tradition in Czechoslovakia.’

For Western Europe

(a) ‘Bringing about a new political alliance between the pseudo-social democratic regimes in the USSR and Eastern Europe and the Euro-Communist parties and genuine social democratic parties in Western Europe.
(b) ‘Restructuring’ political and military blocs—NATO and the Warsaw Pact—and the creation of a singe ‘Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals’ incorporating a reunited, neutral Germany.’

For the main US alliances

(a) ‘Splitting the United States, Western Europe and Japan.
(b) Dissolution of NATO and the US-Japan security pact, and the withdrawal of US troops from Western Europe and Japan.’

For Third World countries

‘The introduction and promotion of a new Soviet model with a mixed economy and a human face in Latin America, Africa and Asia through a joint campaign by the pseudo-social democratic regimes of the USSR and Eastern Europe and the genuine social democrats of Western Europe led by the Socialist International.’

For the United States

(a) ‘To neutralize the influence of the anti-Communist political right in the American political parties and to create favourable conditions for a victory of the radical left in the 1992 US presidential elections (In this context, Clinton’s stay with top Communists in Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union during the latter part of the Vietnam war has profound and disturbing implications—TTS).
(b) To ‘restructure’ the American military, political, economic and social status quo to accommodate greater convergence between the Soviet and American systems and the eventual creation of a single World Government.’

The paramount global objective

‘The paramount global objective of the strategy of ‘perestroika’ is to weaken and neutralize anti-Communist ideology and the influence of anti-Communists in political life in the United States, Western Europe and elsewhere—presenting them as anachronistic survivors of the Cold War, reactionaries and obstacles to ‘restructuring’ and peace. Anyone who warns about Moscow’s true objectives is automatically branded a ‘Cold Warrior’, even by people who have doubts about Moscow’s motives.’


‘The new method penetrates the façade, tears the verbal mask off ‘perestroika’ and reveals its true meaning—which Gorbachev and ‘glasnost’ have failed to do. Lenin’s teaching and the experience of the New Economic Policy [NEP] are keys to understanding the essence of ‘persestroika’ and the reasons for Gorbachev’s downgrading and renunciation of elements of ideological orthodoxy like the class struggle and his emphasis on common interests and the benefits of close cooperation.’

‘Lenin advised the Communists that they must be prepared to ‘resort to all sorts of stratagems, manoeuvres, illegal methods, evasions and subterfuge’ to achieve their objectives. This advice was given on the eve of his reintroduction of limited capitalism in Russia in his work ‘Left Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder’.

The new method sees ‘perestroika’ as an application of Lenin’s advice in new conditions. Another speech of Lenin’s in the NEP period at the Comintern Congress in July 1921 is again highly relevant to understanding ‘perestroika’. ‘Our only strategy at present’, wrote Lenin, ‘is to become stronger and, therefore, wiser, more reasonable, more opportunistic. The more opportunistic, the sooner will you again assemble the masses around you. When we have won over the masses by our reasonable approach, we shall then apply offensive tactics in the strictest sense of the word.’

THE WORLDWIDE COMMUNIST FEDERATION (should they succeed…taken from Golitsyn’s book New Lies For Old, 1984)

‘Integration of the Communist Bloc would follow the lines envisaged by Lenin when the Third Communist International was founded. That is to say, the Soviet Union and China would not absorb one another or other Communist states. All the countries of the European and Asiatic Communist zones, together with new Communist states in Europe and the Third World, would join a supranational economic and political Communist federation (this is precisely what the Soviets have in mind for the impending EU collective—TTS). Soviet-Albanian, Soviet-Yugoslav, and Soviet-Romanian disputes and ‘differences’ would be resolved in the wake, or possibly in advance of, Sino-Soviet reconciliation (Golitsyn goes to great lengths in previous chapters to show how the split between the Soviets and the Chinese was completely healed immediately after Stalin’s death…however, they continued the illusion of a split to dupe the West into backing alternating sides, depending on circumstances—TTS). The political, economic, military, diplomatic, and ideological cooperation between all the Communist states, at present partially concealed, would become clearly visible. There might even be public acknowledgment that the splits and disputes were long-term disinformation operations that had successfully deceived the “imperialist” powers. The effect on Western morale can be imagined’ (the Soviets have employed this tactic on numerous occasions—TTS).

‘In the new worldwide Communist federation the present different brands of Communism would disappear, to be replaced by a uniform, rigorous brand of Leninism. The process would be painful. Concessions made in the name of economic and political reform would be withdrawn. Religious and intellectual dissent would be suppressed. Nationalism and all other forms of genuine oppositions would be crushed. Those who had taken advantage of détente to establish friendly Western contacts would be rebuked or persecuted like those Soviet officers who worked with the Allies during the Second World War. In new Communist states—for example, in France, Italy, and the Third World—the “alienated classes” would be reeducated. Show trials of “imperialist agents” would be staged. Action would be taken against nationalist and social democratic leaders, party activists, former civil servants, officers, and priests. The last vestiges of private enterprise and ownership would be obliterated. Nationalization of industry, finance, and agriculture would be completed. In fact, all the totalitarian features familiar from the early stages of the Soviet revolution and the postwar Stalinist years in Eastern Europe might be expected to reappear, especially in those countries newly won for Communism. Unchallenged and unchallengeable, a true Communist monolith would dominate the world.’

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:36 | 4792651 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Don't take it back but what a waste of time (save for the good laughters).

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 06:05 | 4792867 dsty
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you've named yourself apporpriatly

that was not a rant, that was written by a high ranking soviet defector before perestroika

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:38 | 4793125 TheFourthStooge-ing
Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:06 | 4792021 Cugel
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I agree with your broad point -- there are more evils in the world than just America -- but not in this specific case. Both in the Crimea and Georgia, Russian action followed the installation of a pro-Western government by revolution-in-a-box street demonstrators. From wikipedia: "The conflict remained frozen until 2003 when Mikheil Saakashvili came to power in Georgia's Rose Revolution,[61] which ousted president Eduard Shevardnadze.[62] One of Saakashvili's main goals was Georgian NATO membership, which Russia opposes. "

If their goal truly is just to keep from grinding up against NATO, what are they supposed to do? Since Russia only acted when those states threatened to stop acting as a buffer I have to surmise that they were content when that condition held true. And they're right.  Unlike you I am cheering for the West, for all its flaws. And I can see that a few miles of neutral zone makes everyone feel a little safer and thus, be a little safer. I wish we could wedge a buffer state between India and Pakistan.

Ukraine can't escape its geography -- it is where it is. But it could prosper as a broker between Europe and Russia if it can ever get past the idea of picking a side.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:47 | 4791763 JR
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A beautiful post by Ben Tanosborn. But comments at the Atlantic Council meeting in late April by the son of Trilateral Commission co-founder Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ian Brzezinski, suggest the Trilateral Commission is willing to risk drastically heightened tensions with Russia “to expand and solidify its dream of a collective Europe.”

Ian Brzezinski is featured on AC’s website issuing a U.S. threat to Russia: “We’re going to have to step forward, and that will pull the Europeans with us.”

Mark Anderson, longtime newsman and now roving editor for AFP, writes:

“The bottom line is that what remains of the sovereignty of nations that comprise the European Union/NATO alliance is meant to be fully destroyed in time. That demolition of sovereignty includes current alliance members as well as future ones.”

The question remains: If Putin’s Russia should be overthrown, will the globalists’ American Putsch then be finalized?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:58 | 4791883 LeftyGoldblatt
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Interesting to read that the Brzezinski family were members of the polish nobility in Galicia (now in Ukraine).

Tadeusz Brzezi?ski was posted to Canada in 1938 (same year Poland sent it's tanks in and annexed Zaolzie from Czechoslovakia, which happened to have a Polish majority.


After WW2, some of the Ukrainian SS units were lucky to be called ‘Galician’, because the Western Powers declared them a ‘Polish outfit’ and did not turn them over to Stalin.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:31 | 4792085 August
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Ukrainian SS units were lucky to be called ‘Galician’

Actually luck had little to do with it.  Galicia had been a component of the Polish state or the Austo-Hungarian empire for centuries, and had never been ruled from Moscow. 

To turn Galicians over to Stalin would imply that they had owed allegiance to a country of which they had never been a part.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:12 | 4791800 Sean7k
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Well, at least we get propaganda from both sides now. US tyrants, Russian tyrants, European tyrants, US billionaires, Russian billionaires, European billionaires all spewing crap from the rectum of controlled news outlets. Then we get to switch channels and see US Tyrants, Japanese Tyrants and Chinese Tyrants, Etc. Throw in some african genocide, nuclear radiation, Middle East terrorism, Climate change and the West/Khardasian wedding and you can pretty much write off the human race as a species with redemptive qualities. 

Just wait until the oil runs out and water goes dry...Earth needs a moron exclusion zone where government and banking are not allowed to exist.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:43 | 4791861 disabledvet
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The bottom line is Europe is a bunch of pussies who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag without the US blood and treasure.

And that's a fact.

"They aren't fightin for squawt and they ain't payin for it either." I do give exception for the French...but they're already on "the drone phone" as everything goes code red.

The US should simply withdraw and start making peace with Islam to the best of its ability.

This whole thing has been one totally stupid mistake.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:56 | 4791893 goldhedge
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But then Amerika will not be Stronk.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:11 | 4791917 lakecity55
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So, Nulandstein will see that the wheelchair chick gets selected.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:20 | 4791930 Volkodav
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Chechen Republic President Kadyrov negotiated the release of the two captive journalists.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:47 | 4791981 Quantum Nucleonics
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ZH would do well to stick to financial matters. It certainly looks foolishly uninformed when it wades into politics. You can say a lot of things about the State Department but "infested with neocons" isn't one of them.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 20:06 | 4792162 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You can say a lot of things about the State Department but "infested with neocons" isn't one of them.

I won't ask for an explanation because it is a blatant non sense.

Maybe time to admit (big effort I know) that some stuff can not be covered up.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:10 | 4792601 dsty
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Sat, 05/24/2014 - 23:07 | 4792529 Dickweed Wang
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ZH would do well to stick to financial matters.

Totally disagree. Politics and finance are intrinsically linked and always will be.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 03:19 | 4792798 August
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Well, "obedient to neocons", then, with only a minor infestation.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:59 | 4792008 52821740
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Do the defendants here of Putin think that he has nothing to do with any of murders of the various journalists critical of his rule? 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 22:08 | 4792419 Volkodav
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which journalists?

does your information come from perfect source or from the media?

is it important to you?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 01:42 | 4792714 TweedleDeeDooDah
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Please, tell us of "perfect source," comrade Dulba...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:09 | 4792618 SMC
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Do the defendants here of Putin think that he has nothing to do with any of murders of the various journalists critical of his rule?

Sounds like those who think for themselves and have reached an “unapproved opinion” are “defendants” on trial today. ROFL.

Framing a reply, a few items come to mind...

1. The Obummer brags about being “good at killing people”.

2. We seem to have another case or two of sadistic “snuff” brutality every week by those sworn along the lines of “to uphold the Constitution” and/or “to protect and to serve”.

3. Minor offenses get maximum sentences, major offenses by the “Just Us” (Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Jail, political bundler, etc...) crowd are plea bargained to a fine consisting of a fractional portion of their criminal “take”.

4. Sufficient evidence has arisen over the years, such as the Pentagon Papers, Watergate, Iraq WMD snipe hunt, Bengazi, Snowden Revelations, etc... that a reasonable person would conclude that the cockroaches operating the US Government function as habitual liars, murderers and meddlers – placing corporate and crony interests above country.

5. If you consider that real journalism is reporting that which others want kept quiet, all else is propaganda, then a lot of “real journalists” seem to have an unusual number of accidents, arrests, harassment, NDAA threats, excessively redacted FOIA requests, unable to schedule interviews with alleged public servants, etc...

6. Obummers speeches and interviews appear to be nothing more than blatant propaganda by handlers focused on repeating “the crony approved message”.


In response, Mr. Prosecutor; I would say that the real strengths of the Russian President in the mind of main street America are facilitated by the following traits in his speeches and interviews:

1. He does not appear to be shackled by “political correctness” or any other of the similar idiocies and “isms” infecting North America and Europe.

2. He appears to place the best interests of his country first.

3. He discusses various cultural, political, logistical and financial aspects of a situation in an educated and adult manner. His remarks indicate a leader with common sense as well as genuine organizational and caucusing skills.

4. It is nice to have at least one world leader who can communicate without a teleprompter.


Ladies and Gentlemen, more and more American citizens realize that the real enemies of freedom and liberty are the crony-capitalists, their political minions, thugs and enforcers.

Many are afraid to speak out, but more do every day.

Make yourself heard. Putin has.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:51 | 4793167 nmewn
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So you're saying a barrage of angry tweets probably ain't gonna work huh? ;-)

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 03:19 | 4792799 monad
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Putin is high TLC/CFR

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 08:24 | 4792932 ZippyDooDah
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More bullshit Russian propaganda.  Come on Zerohedge, you can do better than this.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:43 | 4793137 dsty
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well there is russian propaganda and us propaganda

seems Barry has  lot of leanings that way

one is smarter then the other

but both have ability to do much evil

yes putin is smarter, but his past brutalities are not brought up much here either

obama or barry does not seem to know how to keep us out of trouble

and putin seems to be drawing us into a big trap

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:44 | 4793151 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It only takes two lines for the comment to reveal what it is: Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenism propaganda, which is cheap by design.

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