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Vietnamese Woman Self-Immolates In Anti-China Protest

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As the anti-China protests in Vietnam - following China's imposition of an oil-rig in disputed territorial waters - RFA reports that a vietnamese woman belonging to an outlawed Buddhist movement died Friday after setting herself on fire in protest against China's actions. The woman, 67-year-old Le Thi Tuyet Mai, surrounded herself with seven banners denouncing Beijing’s claims in the South China Sea before dousing herself in gasoline and setting it alight early Friday morning in front of the Reunification Palace in downtown Ho Chi Minh City. As the following clip shows, police put out the blaze within three minutes but she succumbed to her burns. With China showing no signs of backing down, one of Mai's banners perhaps warrants most attention for the future, "I offer my body as a torch to light the path of all patriots."



The 67-year-old...


As RFA reports,

A Vietnamese woman belonging to an outlawed Buddhist movement died Friday after setting herself on fire in protest against China's actions in a territorial dispute with Vietnam, according to activists and local media.


The woman, 67-year-old Le Thi Tuyet Mai, surrounded herself with seven banners denouncing Beijing’s claims in the South China Sea before dousing herself in gasoline and setting it alight early Friday morning in front of the Reunification Palace in downtown Ho Chi Minh City. 


Police told Vietnamese media they put out the blaze within three minutes but she succumbed to her burns.


The burning protest follows a clampdown on demonstrations against China's May 1 deployment of a giant oil rig in waters claimed by Vietnam.




The banners found next to her body displayed handwritten slogans expressing opposition to Chinese incursions into Vietnamese waters and support for the UBCV patriarch Thich Quang Do’s stance on the issue, the IBIB said.


Last week, the IBIB issued a statement saying Do was “disturbed” by China’s deployment of the  oil rig off the coast of central Vietnam and wanted the Vietnamese government and the ruling Communist Party “to embark on a process of democratization to enable its citizens to participate equally in the defense of their homeland.”


“I offer my body as a torch to light the path of all patriots,” one of the banners displayed by Mai read, according to the group.  Others included - "Demand unity to smash the Chinese invasion plot" and "Support Vietnamese coast guards and fishermen."

But after initially supporting protests, the government is backing away...

China’s deployment of the oil rig in contested waters near the Paracel Islands has triggered fury in Vietnam.


Hanoi had initially lauded "patriotic" displays by its citizens and allowed protests by thousands in a rare move that amplified state anger against Beijing.


But it backpedalled after the protests turned violent last week, with rioters targeting factories in industrial parks around the country.


Some dissidents and activists who took part in peaceful protests reported they were brutally beaten and harassed by police.

But as The Diplomat notes, Vietnam is stepping up cooperation with other claimants in the South China Sea,

It’s been over two weeks since China announced the placement of an oil rig in the South China Sea, 120 nautical miles from Vietnam’s coast and 17 nautical miles from the nearest Paracel Island. Beijing and Hanoi have been locked in a confrontation ever since, with tensions from naval clashes spilling over into deadly anti-China riots near Ho Chi Minh City. As neither shows signs of backing down, Vietnam is signaling that it is increasingly interested in tightening coordination with other claimants in the South China Sea disputes, including the Philippines and Malaysia.


Even while China was hosting a massive gathering of international leaders, and presenting its own vision for Asian security, Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung was on a visit to Manila to meet with Philippine President Benigno Aquino. Given the two countries’ heated disputes with China over islands and features in the South China Sea, Beijing’s conduct (and how to respond) was a major topic of discussion. In remarks at a joint press briefing with Aquino, Dung said the two leaders “shared the deep concerns over the current extremely dangerous situation caused by China’s many actions that violate the international law, the UNCLOS 1982, and seriously infringe upon the waters of coastal countries.” Dung added that “Viet Nam and the Philippines are determined to oppose China’s violations.” He also called for other countries and the international community at large “to continue strongly demanding China to immediately end its above-said violations.”


Both the tone and the setting of these remarks were notable. It was harshly critical of China, and delivered while standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the Philippine President. Brought together by their opposition to China’s territorial claims, Hanoi and Manila are seeking to deepen their own partnership. In addition to pledging to expand bilateral dialogues and communication mechanisms, the two sides also promised to “consult and support each other at regional cooperation mechanisms on defense and security such as the ASEAN Defense Ministers’ Meeting (ADMM), the ASEAN Defense Ministers’ Meeting Plus (ADMM+) and the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF).” Notably, at many ASEAN meetings, Vietnam and the Philippines are the strongest proponents of unified action on the South China Sea issue.


Vietnam is also considering hosting a meeting with Philippine and Malaysian officials later in May, Reuters reports. Similar meetings were held in February and March to discuss Manila’s arbitration case against China. The motive behind the talks are clear, according to one senior Malaysian diplomat: China’s recent actions have “brought us together.” Malaysia has been far more quite about its territorial disputes with China than Vietnam or the Philippines, but there are signs Kuala Lumpur may be considering a more robust response.


Against the backdrop of nascent cooperation between Hanoi, Manila, and Kuala Lumpur, there are signs that Vietnam is considering following in the Philippines’ footsteps by filing legal suit against China’s territorial claims. In a press conference in Manila, Prime Minister Dung ruled out a “military solution” to the current oil rig standoff, but he was equally resolute that Vietnam would not back down. “Viet Nam is considering various defense options, including legal actions in accordance with the international law,” Dung said.


In a separate interview, Deputy Prime Minister Vu Duc Dam told Reuters that Vietnam was following Manila’s arbitration case “very closely.” Vietnam “would like to use all measures provided by international law to protect our legitimate interests,” he said. Reuters reported that Beijing pressured Hanoi not to join the Philippine case earlier this year. Now, with ties rapidly fraying, Vietnam might be ready to defy China by filing its own arbitration case.


There’s been little progress on dealing with the South China Sea disputes through ASEAN as a whole, as many ASEAN members have no disputes with China and thus have little reason to risk Beijing’s ire through firm action. Now it seems that those ASEAN states with disputes against China are considering forming a smaller coalition to deal with Beijing’s territorial claims.


In addition to seeking to form a united front with other regional partners, Vietnam might also accelerate the process of deepening ties with the U.S. While in his press conference Dung ruled out the possibility of Vietnam joining a military alliance, he also repeated his call for other countries and the international community to “continue expressing strong protests” against China’s actions. Likewise, the Communist Party of Vietnam emphasized that the Foreign Ministry should use diplomacy and international support as a means of protecting Vietnam’s sovereignty. Accordingly Hanoi will likely seek to increase ties with the U.S., as well as with Russia and India.


For its part, the U.S. has expressed a hope of increasing engagement with Vietnam in the wake of the China-Vietnam clashes. A spokesman for the U.S. Seventh Fleet told Reuters that Washington “would welcome increased port visits with Vietnam.”



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Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:33 | 4791316 Fukushima Sam
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I'm sure everything is just fine over in Vietnam.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:47 | 4791347 idea_hamster
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Ask the Tibetans how much Beijing cares about self-immolation.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:52 | 4791359 CrashisOptimistic
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That's just another gallon of oil gone from the world so now China will have to pump out another gallon with that oil rig.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:33 | 4791426 DoChenRollingBearing
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To modify the old saying about Yemen:

"Touch Vietnam, you get burned"

We did, and we got burned.


My personal opinion is that China will over-reach.  They will get old before they get rich.  They are making real enemies now...

And their oil position is even in more dire straits than ours.

Crash, sometime I would like to know how you are preparing and how you are investing in the ugly oil scenarios you paint (which I only partly disagree with).  Seriously, many ZH-ers would like to know what a serious student of oil like you would suggest that we do.


[Unless you are selfishly keeping your ideas secret...]

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:15 | 4791512 ZerOhead
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"I offer my body as a torch to light the path of all patriots."


Nationalistic Buddhism is simply NOT Buddhism... at least as I understand it.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:17 | 4791514 ebworthen
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Agree.  That whole self-immolation thing is selfish.

Think of the poor saps that had to do the clean up.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:24 | 4791523 ZerOhead
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I don't know about selfish but psychotic certainly fits the bill... and yes the saps that had to deal with the leftover charcoal are probably going to suffer from PTBD... (Post Traumatic Barbecue Disorder)

Not to say that China isn't quickly becoming a new global pariah state that needs to be dealt with by the rest of the planet...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:31 | 4791543 Headbanger
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I agree it's sickening but I think her intent was to show her people they will need to sacrifice themselves as she did to defeat the enemy.

She was probably a very patriotic soldier fighting us way back when.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:01 | 4791582 Oracle 911
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Maybe you are right, who knows how patriotic she was.

But in this case of self immolation, I see handwriting of the CIA (or other intelligence agency) and some kind of psyops. And I  think the Vietnamese gov don't like this kind of meddling into his affairs (neither Chinese gov).

I personally suspect, the Chinese and Vietnamese gov  will figure out how to settle this matter peacefully.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:56 | 4791686 ebear
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"...her intent was to show her people they will need to sacrifice themselves as she did to defeat the enemy."

The enemy in this case being the communist party of Vietnam.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 23:24 | 4792553 401K of Dooom
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Hmmmm, I thought it was the <a href="">democraps</a> you know!  The party of Obamacare, Obamanomics and Obamaphones!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:22 | 4791525 medium giraffe
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Fundamentalists, sects, violence.  Isn't religion fun? I think it was Dawkins that pointed out that westerners largely believe Buddhism to be gentle and loving, but then went on to describe disabled members of a community being ostracised.  It was thought that crimes of a former incarnation were being punished by way of disability in the present, that the disabled deserved to be disabled.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:33 | 4791545 ZerOhead
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When you start checking out the facts as opposed to the myths one can clearly see that all religion is basically a form of a self induced mental illness.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:58 | 4791579 medium giraffe
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Does appear to be, though a good deal is via social indoctrination.  A shame really, perhaps buried under centuries of bullshit and manipulated messages there is a grain of spiritual truth in most belief systems.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:01 | 4791586 ajax
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"When you start checking out the facts as opposed to the myths one can clearly see that all religion is basically a form of a self induced mental illness."

No, I'd substitute "self induced mental illness" with heirarchic control: Queen Bees and Queen Ants replaced with High Priests, Popes, Chief Rabbis, Imams etc.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:10 | 4791702 ZerOhead
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Yup. Generation indoctrination to be sure but it is still up to the individual to B E L I E V E.

And when you hated your King because he was a despotic tyrant... once deposed the church would be happy to provide or bless another tyrant for you guaranteeing clerical jobs/control in perpetuity.

A safety valve of sorts to keep things the same as they ever were...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:49 | 4791764 dogbreath
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Didn't Dawkins also say that he was molested as a child and " I am okay".  He then went on to defend pedophila as not being that harmful.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:21 | 4792567 medium giraffe
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If he was giving me his opinion on paedophilia I might be somewhat hesitant to take it, but that's very different to, say, stating an observation.  I agree that his opinion about his childhood is unhelpful to others in a similar situation, but we probably ought to wary of telling a man whom was abused as a child what he should/shouldn't be feeling per our own social expectations and externally validated morality.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:24 | 4793245 GardenWeasel
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Dawkins is merely the leader of the cult of Darwinism. Anything he says is as relevant as the teachings of Jim Jones.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:26 | 4791428 john39
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i wonder what role the CIA is playing in stoking up disputes between China and its neighbors...  China's growing alliance with Russia was obviously anticipated by the "west"...  so it seems that in traditional CIA fashion, all sorts of issues will now engage China...  everything from terror attacks to business disruption to fomenting conflicts with neighbors.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:18 | 4791516 Ignatius
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More interesting is those who wonder how 'we' could have lost the Vietnam War.

This woman's act might be exhibit 1 -- God rest her soul.


John, the short answer is that the CIA is everywhere.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:27 | 4791537 DoChenRollingBearing
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And yet, the CIA is inept in great part.  They are not omniscient.  If my experiences from long ago mean anything, I would know.

They may be everywhere, but their power is less fearsome than many believe.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 09:50 | 4791549 Ignatius
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A good deal of their power is that you and I and others are not coordinated and organized against it.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:25 | 4791834 CrabNuggetOne
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'John, the short answer is that the CIA is everywhere.'

'And yet, the CIA is inept in great part.'

The truth is it's THE US DOLLAR that is everywhere. Trouble is the dollar is (for now) accepted and that includes by those who would do harm to others at the behest of the CIA. The US pays for terrorism with toilet paper. The US dollar must die for there to be a chance of peace in the world.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:48 | 4791869 Terminus C
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the death of the dollar will not bring peace... the removal of psycho/sociaopaths from the world might... might... but really it would take a psycho/sociopath to cull that number of humans so... not likely.  Get used to it, humans are aquisitive, aggressive, and amoral. This is nature and there will be no peace.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:59 | 4791691 ebear
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"John, the short answer is that the CIA is everywhere."

You're right!  I even found one of their decoder rings in a box of Cracker Jacks.   Very careless of them.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:25 | 4791830 Ignatius
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Read the works of author Douglas Valentine so as to preempt making a fool of yourself.  If you don't read -- as may be your case -- there are some fine audio podcast interviews online.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:10 | 4791706 sessinpo
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Ignatius     John, the short answer is that the CIA is everywhere.


And they aren't> The problem is these huge centralized governments. Spies of every nationality will always exist as will some form of government. But downsizing government will downsize these secret agencies.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:26 | 4791836 Ignatius
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Yes.  The CIA is as much symptom as cause.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 09:32 | 4793005 11b40
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So, the CIA convinced China to put an oil rig in VN territorial waters?

The Vietnamese don't need outside influence to pump up the anger against China.

VN may have a communist govt in control now, but it is a seriously Nationalistic country.  Communist, Socialist, Facist, or Democratic.....the main thing is the that they are ruled by other Vietnamese and not foreigners.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:55 | 4791367 Oh regional Indian
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Very strange to see, what is pushing people to the brink now-adays...

I think i figured it out. The 3G life is the answer...


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:04 | 4791777 ebear
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As I stand on the bank of this swollen river

Should I throw you a line as you're swept by?

The water is rising all around us.

Soon I too shall be swept away.



Sat, 05/24/2014 - 22:02 | 4792404 Remington IV
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anybody got  light ?????

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:58 | 4791377 Harbanger
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This woman happens to be 67 yrs old.  Same exact age as Hitlery, just sayin.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:17 | 4791622 ShrNfr
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Hillary has been injected with too much formaldahyde to burn properly. She really ought to change taxadermists too. The current one is putting on too much makeup and not enough stuffing behind the skin. It leaves waaay too many wrinkles and frow's feet on her face. Fortunately, we cannot see other parts of her.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:12 | 4791400 Jumbotron
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Damn shame that the people we went to war 50 years ago with now have more courage to do what it takes in the name of freedom than any American Sheeple does at this very moment.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:48 | 4791456 Omegaman2211
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Nothing she did was in the name of freedom. She was protesting on behalf of government (Vietnam's).

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 09:48 | 4793033 11b40
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Perhaps you just don't understand the deep resentment of Colonialism in VN.  Plus, it is a nation of warriors, perpetually ready to go to battle - if not against external forces, then internal conflict will do.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:28 | 4793252 GardenWeasel
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So, you think people set themselves on fire for superfluous reasons?  Please, do enlighten us.  Perhaps you'd like to give us an example?


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:37 | 4791655 The Blank Stare
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What do you mean "now have"?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:35 | 4791318 remain calm
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No one can argue that she is not "smoking hot"

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:00 | 4791370 TBT or not TBT
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I bet there's a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:37 | 4791554 remain calm
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Why the down votes? Too soon?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:27 | 4791642 No Quarter
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I didn't down vote that but...That was kind of fucked up. Just saying. 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:12 | 4791708 sessinpo
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remain calm      Why the down votes? Too soon?


Because you act like you are drunk stupid. And if you are sober, I'd hate to see you drunk because I'd probably shoot you.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:50 | 4792130 Bangin7GramRocks
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Lighten up asshole! Some people like to make jokes on here. The world doesn't need to be so serious.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:30 | 4793260 GardenWeasel
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Because you are apparently that brain dead, yes, ever would be too soon SHIT-FOR-BRAINS!.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:36 | 4791322 q99x2
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She was from Q99X2. I told her last week not to try alcohol and what would happen. Listen and learn. Now she'll have some explaining to do once she gets to Pittsburgh..

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:37 | 4791324 Son of Loki
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"No one saw this coming...."

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:39 | 4791327 Atomizer
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Another unhinged peasant. 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:57 | 4791374 TBT or not TBT
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She served in Vietnam. 67 years in the shit.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:13 | 4791405 Jumbotron
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She served in Vietnam. 67 years in the shit.

Made her appreciate Liberty.....and that it is better to be dead than without Liberty.

How much longer do we have to live "in the shit" here in America before we immolate the Powers That Be?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:21 | 4791419 gdpetti
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about 11 months?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:38 | 4791328 metastar
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Government's wash minds real good! Defending the communists against communists. Brother USSA takes no sides in this sibling rivalry.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:39 | 4791329 Sticky Wicket
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Yeah, that'll teach 'em.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:39 | 4791332 fuu
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Gotta respect the self immolators.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:08 | 4791391 Abitdodgie
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No I would respect someone who took some of the f@#kers with them , but no i will just sit in a corner and burn myself . The Govt must be having a right laugh.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:36 | 4791437 DoChenRollingBearing
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While I am sympathetic to the idea of taking a few of the SOBs with me, I think fuu is right.  Self-immolators get attention.  Everyone knows how much this woman suffered making her statement.  And I am sure that she knew people, had friends & family...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:47 | 4791671 RafterManFMJ
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<---- I know who Thomas James Ball is.
<---- Say what? Who?

" Self-immolators get attention"

I think you're wrong; let's vote.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:22 | 4791722 Miffed Microbio...
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I agree with you here that self immolators have really no purpose but a brief public fascination. However I think some iconic pictures such as General Nguyen Ngoc Loan executing Viet Cong prisoner Nguyen Van Lém may stir a population as to the horrors of war. Granted the effect is still limited because of detachment.

A dear friend who was a WWII vet told me once he had to contain himself from punching a woman upon returning from the South Pacific. She was gushing that ketchup was now once again on store shelves. " I almost died in a Japanese concentration camp and her war was being without fucking ketchup."

I was very privileged to listen to his experiences and saw a soldier's world I never knew existed. The real stories are inside of those who experienced a war, not in pictures for the rest of us.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 09:57 | 4793045 11b40
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What we here think or believe matters not.  It is wrong to project our sentiments about self-immolation onto the sentiments of those living in that part of the world.  It is very powerful there.  We may see a fruitcake, while they see an uber-patriot.  We may only hear the sounds of the ambulance, while they hear a call to arms.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 23:11 | 4794603 Miffed Microbio...
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I reread what I wrote and can see some arrogance of which I did not intend. I think each culture has a unique way of understanding these actions. What an American may find useless and confusing, a Vietnamese may find inspiring. As an American I respond as a product of my culture. I do not mean this as a judgement as it's ineffectiveness as what she had intended for her society. Only to my own.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:41 | 4791333 Kirk2NCC1701
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One down, few billion Idiots & Useful Fools to go, who'll take themselves out of the gene pool.  Although, judging by her age, she's past reproductive age and can no longer impact her downstream gene pool.  Pure manipulation of a feeble-minded woman, for propaganda purposes.

Wake me when Jamie Dimon's daughter does this, or one of the "fruitfull" spawn of TPTB -- before they start multiplying.  Or wake me when 'Mericans start doing this on the steps of the US Capitol,  Times Square, or the doors of the DC or NY Fed.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:53 | 4791363 El Vaquero
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Or wake me when 'Mericans start doing this on the steps of the US Capitol,  Times Square, or the doors of the DC or NY Fed.

How about the National Mall?

A man was in critical condition Friday night after he poured gasoline on his body and lit himself on fire on the National Mall.

Flames and smoke from the self-immolating man near 7th Street and Jefferson Drive, SW, were visible from the Capitol, where some staffers watched the scene from west facing windows, just a day after a car chase that ended with the shooting death of a woman just outside the Hart Senate Office Building.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:30 | 4791431 DoChenRollingBearing
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I dunno, Kirk...  Ghandi went on his hunger strikes to stop the violence among his own side!  To stop the violence AGAINST the Brits.  

Self-immolation is a powerful statement that often gets real traction.  Even if she is old, people will know that this woman (perhaps a grandmother?) suffered horrifically for her beliefs.  Just like the monk did in Vietnam before we entered that quagmire of a war.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:25 | 4791945 Peanut Butter E...
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Self immolation gets no reaction or sympathy from me except make me think she is crazy.

Now if she where to go down in flame with a banker or politician then that is my respect and attention to her.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:08 | 4791599 ajax
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Now why the hell would Jamie Dimon's daughter douse herself in gasoline and set herself on fire?

What does Jamie Dimon's daughter have to do with any of this?

Your specious comment is less than stunning.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:15 | 4791710 sessinpo
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Kirk2NCC1701     One down, few billion Idiots & Useful Fools to go, who'll take themselves out of the gene pool.


Um, she was 67 years old. I don't think she is going to contribute anymore to the gene pool then she might have already.

Maybe it is your genes that should be up for discussion.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:44 | 4791339 Bam_Man
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spokesman for the U.S. Seventh Fleet told Reuters that Washington “would welcome increased port visits with Vietnam.”


"Fi Dollah, Fi Dollah - I love you long time, Joe."

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:01 | 4791383 lakecity55
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Awright, young steers out there:

You're 18, just out of AIT you're walking down the street in Saigon sweating like a white guy at a Panther rally. You pass a bar and a bomb goes off. You wake up in Germany and then have to get well.

Trust me, you do not want to go to Vietnam, so if they bring it up again, Just Say No.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:49 | 4791674 RafterManFMJ
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Dunno, I'm pretty sure if you're just out of AIT you go where you're told...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:57 | 4791894 lakecity55
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Not if you don't sign up in the first place.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:05 | 4793063 11b40
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You are both right, but last time we ventured there, you got signed up automatically.  Your options were go to VN, go to jail, of leave the country (before you got caught).  Most chose option 1.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:49 | 4791341 Dr. Engali
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Hey I'm mad as hell and I'm going to set myself on fire just to teach you a lesson. Who the hell thinks this way?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:49 | 4791352 El Vaquero
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Yup.  I never understood self immolation.  Especially when trying to persuade the Chinese not to take their oil.  Think the Chinese give a shit?  Ha!  They have 1.3 billion mouths to feed, and that takes oil.  


She could have just come to the US and gotten thrown in prison if she wanted to die a painful death.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:54 | 4791368 One And Only
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Well we know she could get into the US with no problem. It's getting out that's the tricky part.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:58 | 4791372 Dr. Engali
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If I were ever going to take myself out, you better be damn sure I would take a few bankers with me.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:05 | 4791389 lakecity55
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Now yer talkin!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:18 | 4791414 Berspankme
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If I'm going to die I want it to be while pummeling Bernanke with a meat clever

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:15 | 4791407 Abitdodgie
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Yes but that is the POLICE they can do whatever they want murder,rape ,beatings, just as long as they can go home safely at night then who cares how many people that day they had to kill . Look at the facts not one American gives a shit that they kill thier friends and family , if they did there would be retaliation killings , still waiting.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:38 | 4791440 shovelhead
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Why wait?

Go out there and take a shot in the face for the team.

Atta boy.

Oh, you want someone else to do it.

I see.

Can't say I blame ya.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:54 | 4791366 Quus Ant
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No one thinks this way, Dr.  I don't know what you're a doctor of, but surely even the naive would look at this situation with a jaundiced eye.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:04 | 4791378 TeamDepends
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Someone who is not afraid of death, and for that we commend her.  Could she have taken a few bankers with her and made a far bigger impact?  Possibly, but that is not the Buddhist way.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:05 | 4791444 DoChenRollingBearing
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Right, very well stated.  It is not really up to each of us to judge, we should keep our own side of the street clean.  I admire what she has done, assuming I understand these reports correctly. 

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:06 | 4791598 ebear
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The Buddhist Way?

You must mean California Buddhists.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:08 | 4793073 11b40
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Her argument was not with bankers.  It was with the Chinese invaders.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:04 | 4791388 lakecity55
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Members of a repressed Buddhist sect in Vietnam?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:51 | 4791353 Quus Ant
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That's pretty fucked up.  I wouldn't let my grandma self-immolate; even to save the whales  Which I would really like to save.  As an octogenarian I would not feel comfortable in a Vietnamese nursing home right now.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:51 | 4791355 One And Only
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She's got quite the bald spot on her hairline. Perhaps she had tried this before. Aside from that, she seems like a very nice woman.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 12:59 | 4791380 fishwharf
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"We are interested in engaging with all our partners in the South China Sea and would welcome increased port visits with Vietnam," fleet spokesman Commander William Marks said in an emailed response to questions about U.S. naval relations with Vietnam.

Nothing like fishing in troubled waters eh.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:11 | 4793076 11b40
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 Fishing in the Gulf of Tonkin is especially dangerous.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:01 | 4791385 nmewn
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Well, here's one sick bastard. Supposedly the guy that went on the killing spree in California...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:10 | 4791397 lakecity55
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He should have done that at a Bankster convention.

I watched the video. The guy was a fucking pussy. At first I thought he was a Tweet.

He could have found Love with Reggie and Backdoor Barry.

Fuck, the guy had Beemers, first class flights around the world, movie connections-- if you can't get laid with all that, you should off yourself-- but don't take anyone with you, unless it's Banksters!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:18 | 4791621 ajax
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Listening to Elliot Rodger is like watching an episode of Law and Order Special Victims Unit.

Apparently this kid's dad does work for t.v. in L.A., I heard he is Peter Rodger, assistant director on "Hunger Games".

Enjoy your tv shows 'Murkins, they're coming back to bite you in the ass.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:16 | 4791408 JR
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The human tragedies around the world are heartbreaking but those actually caused by the actions of our country seem somehow greater when coupled with the inertia of the American people. For instance, the years of occupation and injustice for Palestinians are a direct cause of the U.S. superpower and its “special relationship” with Israel.

This video shows two unarmed teen-agers shot and killed by Israeli military in a sniper-like environment. The outrage from Americans if heard at all will be submerged by the pro-Zionists on the right and the Jewish lobbyists on the left.

The dilemma we face as Americans is that the overriding “special relationship” with Israel operates at the core of the U.S. financial system, namely the Federal Reserve and its control of the currency, the politicians, the institutions and the media. Tragedies such as this one, to these Palestinian young men, can actually be traced to the hammerlock that pro-Israel forces in America have on U.S. foreign policy as controlled by the Federal Reserve.

To criticize or even imply that Jewish interests control the media, as evidenced in a recent Huffington Post article, now amounts to anti-Semitism. Is it anti-Semitic then to say that U.S./Israel policy is shooting unharmed teen-agers in the streets?


Video: Palestinian Youths Killed by Israeli Army on Nakba Day, Posed no Threat to Soldiers

Video of the two Palestinians killed last Thursday at an annual Nakba Day protest outside of Ofer prison show the youths did not pose a threat to life to Israeli soldiers. And a photo set reveals one medic was shot in the head while aiding a wounded youth.”

Is Talking About Media Ownership Anti-Semitic?

Huffington Post: Asserting that the corporate press is owned by powerful people has anti-Jewish "undertones"

“In a hit piece on UKIP founding member and MEP Gerard Batten, Huffington Post columnist Asa Bennett makes the bizarre implication that questioning media ownership is an act of anti-Semitism.”

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:23 | 4791422 Abitdodgie
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As long as no Jews were hurt that is all that matters .

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:27 | 4791534 shovelhead
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It never ceases to amaze me how everyone gets the US /Israel relationship backwards.

Isreal is our nuclear FOB that maintains a balance of power in our favor in the MENA. If Israel didn't exist, we would have to co-opt another govt. to do our bidding.

The brilliance of Israel is that they get American Jews to finance Congress through AIPAC to keep the treats flowing their way far in excess of what they would get as an just another outpost of Pax Americana.

Given our failures in Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iraq to produce a counterbalance to radical Islamists of both stripes, Israel become far more important than it's tiny size would merit.

AIPAC deliberately fosters the conventional propaganda that Israel dominates the relationship because it keeps the money coming from America to Israel and the big money Jewish donors keep giving to Congressional campaigns because they're backing a powerful winner instead of a client state.

Sorry to ruin a great story but sometimes it really is all about the Benjamins of the Franklin variety.

And all that juicy intelligence capability on tap, although the Israelis are no slouches in that department either.

Flame away. I can take it. But PULEEZE spare me that "Protocols" tripe.

It just makes you look like an idiot.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:32 | 4791546 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is an interesting take I have never seen before, kudos.  That is worth me thinking about as I go about my business today.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:19 | 4793089 11b40
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Well think about this.

Without our support of Israel, would there even be a radical Islamic movement?

We have ben busy creating radical Islamist in the ME for over 60 years.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:54 | 4791684 JR
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If Israel didn't exist, we would have to co-opt another govt. to do our bidding.

I’m disappointed that you believe that without Israel we would need to “co-opt another government to do our bidding.” As far as the co-opting goes, it is the U.S. Congress that has been co-opted by Israel. And the money would never have been there for Israel to buy the co-opting without the Federal Reserve.

Our government's bidding so far has involved massive, devastating wars on behalf of the Israeli state…and its dreams of expansion into a Greater Israel.

Where does the bidding of the American people fit into this?

Surely, you have noticed that the Congress of the United States is fairly well locked up by the interests of a foreign country; how can you be okay with this?

As far as Middle East relations, America has and could achieve working relations in the ME by peaceful means; we do not need a hired killer that costs so much in American lives, American treasure and the loss of representative government for the American people.

But because we had this special friend looking out after our interests in the Middle East, we blew apart an entire sovereign country, killing as many as a million innocent villagers, sacrificing the lives of American service people, and then spent a fortune in billions rebuilding the nation –Iraq—into a divided, war-ravaged state to this very day. And all this was predicated on a manufactured lie that Iraq had weapons so dangerous that they would threaten our interests and those of our allies (our special partner, Israel) if we did not massively engage our war machine.

 It wasn’t the Protocols that explained that the American government radiates from a financial center, fully supportive of Zionist interests throughout the world.

It’s ironic, therefore, that you would suggest it’s all about the Benjamin Franklins when those pieces of paper do not give ownership to this great independent Founder and his country but instead to the private bank that issues them, the private owners of the Federal Reserve, primarily Jewish families.

Benjamin Franklin would have called for a second revolution.

And whatever do you mean by “given our failures in Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iraq"?  It was precisely at Israel’s bidding and Israel’s expansionist policies and Israel's potential profit and power that the US took on Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iraq. And, as you well know, the Israeli leaders are literally begging us to fight another massive war against another sovereign country in the Middle East, Iran.

What a pal!

If I am not correct, please explain the threats from these nations that justify the transfer of U.S. loyalties to Israel over those of the American people and the other peoples of the Middle East.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:21 | 4791627 ajax
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JR is back.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:26 | 4791639 ajax
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Stephen Hawking just says NO to Israel:


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:53 | 4791681 Sticky Wicket
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Not really related to the meat of that article, but I got a good chuckle out of Hilary Rose is a feminist sociologist of science at the bottom of the article.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:17 | 4791411 evernewecon
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So in part of SE Asia people

seek a democratically based

life, including economically,

rather than autocrats selling

economic privilege, and far from

a "domino effect" Vietnam and

China are at each other's throats.


Perhaps the VC never really

appreciated the difference 

between democratically based

life and autocrats selling

economic privilege.


Meanwhile the U.S. is perfectly

happy arranging nuclear partnerships

with Vietnam.


Business arrangements appear the

primary goal.


I think the guys who treated

Ronnie Kovic in the hospital

got it right, going by the 

movie:  just give us all democracy

and cooperation.


Now remember Ronnie Kovic.


Just a link.  Google appears

to have it there for the purpose.






Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:35 | 4793118 11b40
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BRAVO!  Especially apropos for this weekend's reflections to an old 11Bravo.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:20 | 4791418 Who was that ma...
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That'll teach those Chinese a lesson!

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:24 | 4791425 gdpetti
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This looks like the usual SG game of starting tensions, ie wars, by playing one side off the other or burning the candle at both ends.... in the USofA we just call it election time as the oligarchy maintains control of the puppet show with their 2 sided coin, ie Dems and Repubs.... When you control both sides, the masses have no choice but support you, usually in silence, which is all they need... simple acquiesce will do nicely.

China is pushing the issue here, but like everyone else, they are running out of time.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:42 | 4791446 Jack Burton
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All those guys who were sent to Vietnam to fight the most ugly kind of war imaginable, and suffer for it, even if they came out in one piece, now they will witness that America never had any real reason to invade and fight the Vietnamese people, nope! They will see that it was another fake war trumped on on fake grounds and we all know who benefited from that war. But in reality, America had no reason to fight, no reason to be there. Vietnam won the war and then never, ever presented any threat to America, none at all. In fact, they are now a natural allie in the larger picture. So the old timers who fought there will now see joint American and Vietanamese communist cooperation in military and economic spheres. Vietnam has been making some of America's most popular sports shoes for a long time, US corporations feast off of the low wage workers. In some of the same cities our Navy and AIr Force pounded with bombs as us kids at home were told America was fighting for it's freedom. Another big Washington lie. Washington is telling bigger lies now. War on terror lies, War on drugs lies, War on Russia lies, War on Iraq lies. ANd giant lies about the nazi government in Kiev. Liars gravitate to Washington, the world richest metro area and the liars feed off of American's taxes like giant leeches. Liars are everywhere in that former great capital. It is so corrupt and greedy, all it can do is use it's wholly owned media to feed us lies and take our money.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:01 | 4791480 DoChenRollingBearing
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Lies...  Yes.  Lies and similar are destroying us.

I put this up a few days ago:

"Lies, Malinvestment Parasitical Jobs"

Wild turkeyz, fishez...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:49 | 4793162 11b40
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Large numbers of us figured out the futility and deceit long ago.  Some even before going, others while there, many more after they returned and dug into the reality and history of the war.  We have watched in horror as Washington becomes an ever greater cesspool.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:44 | 4791449 Duc888
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Teamdepends: Someone who is not afraid of death, and for that we commend her.  Could she have taken a few bankers with her and made a far bigger impact?  Possibly, but that is not the Buddhist way.



Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:45 | 4791452 Omegaman2211
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She lit herself on fire to protest some geopolitical boundaries? How pathetic and sad.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:39 | 4791660 ebear
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More to it than that.   She was an executive in the Buddhist Youth Movement.  Vietnam's version of Falun Gong, more or less.   Google up United Buddhist Church of Vietnam for some insight.   

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:00 | 4791478 Smegley Wanxalot
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I wish my ex-wife would have self-immolated to end the marriage.  Would have made things a lot easier than being abused in court ... and funnier too.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:03 | 4791487 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hmm, that explains your surname, sir!

Oh, sorry, just yanking your chain.  



[I see what I did there.]

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 03:13 | 4792794 monad
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You're young. Stick it out. Your better judgement will make you a better man.

I completed the course. It can be done.

I won.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:01 | 4791482 _ConanTheLibert...
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Start of Asian spring?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:27 | 4791532 The Abstraction...
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I don't understand why these protestors can't distinguish between 'throw fuel at bankster' from 'throw fuel on self.' It's not a hard problem.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 14:27 | 4791535 Fix It Again Timmy
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You never see the .001% self-immolate, hell THEIR cars would never even burst into flames after a severe rear-end accident...NOW, there's a reason why this is so...

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 16:44 | 4791758 user2011
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Anti-foreign protests in Communists countries is just as real as infomercial on TV.   The only concern I had for the poor lady was if she was pushed into it ?  Or persuaded into it, like how the Taliban persuade suicide bombers.

Communism is the most fucked up systems, right along side with dictatorships.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 17:21 | 4791821 patb
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Vietnam kicked the Navy out of Cam Rahn Bay, now they may want them back.


perhaps they should work out a basing agreement. Same thing with Subic.


The Philipino's kicked out the US Navy from Subic.


of course if sea levels rise,  the Philipinos may have other troubles.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:33 | 4793262 11b40
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CRB has a fabulous deep water port....and it is beautiful. The bay is bordered by a 23 mile long pennensula, and we had a huge Air Force base there, as well as Army, Marine and Naval forces on various parts of it.  It was arguably the best place to be staioned during the war.  I was stationed there for several months, attached to an MP Company for Convoy Escort duty.  You could even bring your girlfriend to the beach ;-)

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:15 | 4791923 goldhedge
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Waiting for a Mongolian BBQ.


Sat, 05/24/2014 - 18:42 | 4791962 dizzyfingers
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Horrifying! The wheel has come full circle...'63, freshman year of college; a few weeks later JFK was murdered and there followed what seemed an uneding series of political murders. Very much TPTB then too, same damn thing. I'm very fearful of what could be coming.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 19:22 | 4792064 homiegot
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This solves everything.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 03:07 | 4792788 monad
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A fembot demonstrates ultimate subservience. Rachel says self-sacrifice is good feminazionism.. no khazars died in the making on this and the many other classified destimulating delusions.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:41 | 4793141 Galahad Threepwood
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A member of a banned religion self-immolates.

The government says it's a protest against China

Why does everyone believe the VN government?

An anti-Vietnamese government protest seems much more likely

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