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European Voters Are Revolting; France Warns "Situation Is Grave For Europe"
Just as we had warned in the run-up to the European elections - and England's UKIP victory in local elections had suggested; Anti-European-Union parties are showing strongly in this weekend's elections. Anxiety is spreading among the status quo as Greece's anti-austerity party SYRIZA wins and perhaps even more worryingly in supposed core of the union France's Nationalist party is leading in a "political earthquake" success:
- EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPOND TO CITIZENS' ANGER: VALLS
- FRANCE'S VALLS SAYS 'SITUATION IS GRAVE FOR FRANCE, EUROPE'
- DRAGHI SAYS PEOPLE VOTING ACROSS EUROPE ARE CLEARLY DISENGAGED
Disengaged? - or totally pissed off with promises that never materialize and wealth that only trickles down to the uber-richest and uber-elitest.
No wonder France is worried...
#France - Ipsos seat projection: Front National 23-25 seats, UMP 18-21, Socialist Party 13, UDI/MoDem 6-8. #EP2014 pic.twitter.com/Md0BX39jFS
— Open Europe (@OpenEurope) May 25, 2014
Anti-establishment parties were gaining ground in other parts of the EU too (following UKIP's lead in the UK).
In France, exit polls setting the anti-immigrant, far right National Front up for its first success in a national election.
In Greece, exit polls had the far-left SYRIZA party leading with 26-30 per cent of the vote, ahead of the ruling conservative New Democracy Party. SYRIZA, whose leader, Alexis Tsipras, is running for European Commission president, has campaigned vociferously against the austerity that was part of the EU's response to its economic crisis.
In Austria, the right-wing FPOe came in third with 20 per cent, while the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party was set to take the biggest share of the vote in that Nordic country, according to exit polls and initial projections.
In Finland, the anti-immigrant True Finns party was projected to win two of the country's 13 seats in the European Parliament, adding one seat to its previous tally.
In Germany, the far-right National Democratic Party - which has many overtly neo-Nazi supporters - could be on course to win its first seat in the legislature, according to projections. Germany's anti-euro Alternative fuer Deutschland (AfD) is also set to make its debut in the parliament after capturing 6.5 per cent of the German vote, a public television exit poll showed.
In Belgium: *FLEMISH NATIONALISTS LEAD IN BELGIAN ELECTION, 1ST RESULTS SHOW
But it's not just France, Anti-EU parties are winning across Europe...
h/t @WikiGuido
Who coulda seen that coming?
And so the propoganda begins...
- DRAGHI SAYS PEOPLE VOTING ACROSS EUROPE ARE CLEARLY DISENGAGED
- *SCHAEUBLE SAYS EU VOTE SHOWS 'WE CAN KEEP WORKING' ON EUROPE
- *SCHAEUBLE SAYS SUPPORT FOR ANTI-EURO PARTY DIDN'T INCREASE
Umm - yeah it did... but when it gets serious - you have to lie!!!
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those cunts in paris are going too need a battalion of al ciada fake muslim street terror to distract from this rotten house of cards.
...Prince Charles, the Royal Family and the European, Elite Status Quo, are on their way out...into Oblivion.
...Next up, Washington, Wall St & MIC
Farage is a great man but it will take more than another political party to right the ship of society.
Agreed completely. Today my best friends politicians received a present, that is 3 blank votes. I say "thank you, morons, for destroying everyone's money" It's not even funny anymore. I say to them, fuck you big time, because you know exactly what's going on. But I also say "thank you, morons, for introducing me to ZH". Morons.
American #1: "The French are revolting!"
American #2: "Yes they are. They are also trying to overthrow the government."
1. They are dead sexy actually.
2. They are actually trying to overthrow NATO and/or the EU, which is how the US manages its European assets. Too many Caesars is not good for Emperor Obama.
"disengaged"....?
No shit..., a lot of us are disengaged.
Strange use of "disengaged." Like a victim of gang rape is "disengaged?" Message to Mario Draghi and the EU: GO "ENGAGE" YOURSELF.
Fuck the EU....this is transitory
Bullish!
french toast?
at least they are not voting on a referendum to exit nato
When in doubt, blame it on the immigrants. A winning political strategy during poor harvest since forever. Go go national front, france über alles!
"Yes folks, economy is in the shitter but we have diagnosed the problem. First the good news, you - and by 'you' I mean the real French - are in no way shape or form responsible. Now the bad news, we have discovered who is responsible, and it turns out those responsible are the people who don't look like you or speak like you and the commie rats who support them. They are the leaches which have destroyed this great country! Vote National Front so we can deal with these takers! Vive la France!!"
Oy, you want dem Muslims in yer Neighborhood? When did you become Mr. Sensitive? If your such an integrationist, why not go live in Detroit?
Diversity…responsible for more civil wars, genocides, and new countries than all the “isms” combined.
why not go live in Detroit?
Because he's not a total marxist communist?
Siberia is nicer than Detroit these days.
Yeah, but property's more expensive.
DavidC
(sarc OFF)
"at least they are not voting on a referendum to exit nato"
Its a salient point made with remarkable understatement...plus one.
I'll add, we (America) should. Its time for the baby EU to leave the nest and discover whether it is an eagle or the vulture it appears to be, from the outside ;-)
Anti-Austerity eh ROFLMAO.....wake me when the molotovs flow...popcorn for everybody! LOL!!!!
Isn't it funny how all of these articles refer to "far-right" parties as "Neo-Nazis". Of course, when they refer the "far-left" parties, they never use the accurate descriptive of "Neo-Communist" or "Neo-Stalinist". The history of these barbarous ideologies is far more rife with the blood of innocents than any figure conjured up against those evil Nazis, but you never seem to glean the revulsion from the journalists that such an association deserves.
Just an observation.
And a good observation, I think.
Spot on...
Of course, when they refer the "far-left" parties, they never use the accurate descriptive of "Neo-Communist" or "Neo-Stalinist".
Nope, never refer to the far-left as communist...EXCEPT ALL THE FUCKING TIME (ignoring that some of the parties in question are literally named 'communist' lol). Seriously wtf is wrong with some of you, do you exist in an alternate universe? Never heard of the red scare? Joseph McCarthy? Do you have functional brains??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_Internal_Security_Act
Anyway, that aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Political_Spectrum2.png
Anarchism is extreme left, even comrade mccarthy and father hoover knew that.
Ever hear of the Nicaraguan sister city movement? They were run by "COMMUNISTS!" Don't give me that pity about being oppressed, you Obama rump-Swab!
Geez James, are you just hear for comic relief or are you a masochist?
Whats a few more million (or billion) innocent deaths to prove Marx's worth to humanity?
One could point out the absolute obvious, National Socialist Workers Party = nazis for "a thousand years" (pun intended) and it would still be equated to "the right" of Stalin and Mao's vision of utopia regardless of how many rich communists emerged from the otherside.
Its quite the relative scale (the leftwing captured, socialist state-controlled media millionaires) uses to judge humanity & ideology by, isn't it? ;-)
i could be wrong, but i think it is as simple as this: if it's relatively easy for the already rich to maintain their wealth when the authoritarians take over, it's right wing. if it's quite hard and a lot of them die, it's left.
lol...well there is that little problem of Engels oligarchial wealth supporting Marxism but I have no problem with oligarchs being slaughtered, by the right or left ;-)
Communism fails?
A century of failure proves nothing!
FORWARD SOVIET!
Communism fails?
No worries...they'll get it right next time.
....and they're asking for volunteers to be killed this time.
They're hoping for at least 10 million people this go around.
@ J S Bach
Could it be because the EU is the new Stalinists? Just putting that out there.
Stalinsists and Fascists, its still the same father, only fighting brothers bred by him.
Its what we've been sayin around here for years, while everyone argues about Keynes being either a fascist or a communist, he was a eugenicist (a racist fascist) and also an authoritarian (government intervention in free markets) a communist idea by any other description.
And everyone is completely shocked when going down that rabbit hole at the outcome...lol.
They would certainly lean more towards Trotsky as opposed to Stalin.
"Isn't it funny how all of these articles refer to "far-right" parties as "Neo-Nazis".
It's just a cohencidence that it also keeps the exagerated Holohoax bullshit front and center. There's no business like Shoah business.
One of the stock bad guys for Hollywood has long been "The Nazi". <ominous soundtrack> Think it was a cohencidence that Darth Vader had a helmet that was designed specifically for you to associate with the German soldier? ...or that Peter Cushing's character was dressed like a German general? ...or that the Imperial Storm Troopers were named 'storm troopers'?
You'll see "Nazis" trotted out on everything from Star Trek to Buffy The Vampire Slayer.
Witness the rise of nationalism across europe once again. Humanity has exausted every 'ism' in the book and its back to basics, boys. Aptly, these unexpected and relatively unforseen developments come at the century anniversary of ww1
Fuck the EU....this is transitory.
- Ben S. BernakeIf you like your rage : you can keep your rage....
Appears to me that Europe is not getting it's recommended daily allowance of "common core" indoc....err....education.
Must have bleached white minds to bring the globe together, dontchaknow.
If you protest Common Core communism at the school board meeting....you WILL go directly to jail.
After all...Mike Huckabee wouldn't support communism....right?
Fuck you Draghi, go home and get your shine box
I can sort of see their point about limiting immigration. last time I was downtown Stockholm at night i did not see one blond-haired person. Only A-Rabs.
The good news is now I don't have to go to Morocco, Algeria, etc.
I think what he means is, the voters "have no skin in the game"...
Draghi should have his head disengaged from his neck.
One doesn't use such vulgar language in the EU. The preferred phrase is, "Autonomous self-interpenetration." Genuine diplomat-speak.
"disengaged"...?
No, actually I think the voters ARE engaged.....maybe for the first time in a while.
They just aren't on board with the EU's agenda....which is a good thing for Europe and Western civilization in the long run.
American #1: "The French are revolting!"
American #2: "Yes they are. They are also trying to overthrow the government."
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I have to steal that. Thanks!
To think that these Statist could control the economy and society, the writing is on the WALL.
Trying to program the masses into their own self destruction, ain't going to happen because the common folk happen to be much smarter and brighter than these idiots!
Another Brick In The Wallhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
Actually it will take less. Simply restore the rule of law and reduce government to what is abosulutely essential for the security of each nations' borders. All else can be left to local governments that are closer to the people and so more inclined to serve rather than rule.
Not so simple when the government that should provide rule of law and be reduced to a small fraction of its current size is buying billions of rounds of ammunition and stocking up on military weapons to use against those that might object.
Those rounds can be yours.
So can the guns.
The rule of law is the cause of the problem. Law is the means of lending legitimacy to tyranny. By owning the politicians, you make the law.
Eliminate law and the elites have no protection from the competition of life. They lose the means to coerce. They lose the means to tell you what to do, instead of asking you. It is law that jails the pot smoker, while Corzine runs free.
Until you eliminate law, we wil always be slaves.
When the state needs to break each of the Ten Commanments as a matter of everyday policy they need ten million laws to keep the people in check.
You must have law. It is the application of it in this country that sux.
<< No socialism.
<< You must have socialism. It is the application of it in this country that sux.
<< Rule of markets.
<< Rule of law.
Why? Because you said so? The application in every country from recorded history has seen the same result. So, why would you continue to use a system that results in slavery and parasitic rule by a small minority?
So, why would you continue to use a system that results in slavery and parasitic rule by a small minority?
Get rid of law and you will not have parasitic rule by a small minority - as demonstrated by no country ever.
Too many laws is just as bad as too few, sure.
If I might interject on this concept "of law" that vexes the mind of "civilized societies" so much, again.
If you must have "law" I would strongly advise that for every new law proposed you must have ten old laws repealed by the introduction of any new law.
Dictatorship, tyranny, warlords...however you want to describe Somalia, there is "law" there.
You just may not appreciate its finer nuances ;-)
agree that there are too many laws. this is one big problem waiting for a solution, someday
yet in Somalia... sure, there is "law", by your definition (I'd use "order"). the question is it's quality
you can turn it around as much as you want, the main quality of every order, setup or legal system is how dependable it is
tyranny is ultimately whimsical. yesterday you were able to set up shop because one warlord said it's ok, and today the next one takes it all away
ultimately, economic development means a lot of people have to risk something today for a better future tomorrow... and this works only well if the legal system is stable
a small entrepreneur that wants to set up a bakery or a brewery tends to prefer a type of order that does not wipe him out because of political whims
big biz is different, they can live quite well with a dictatorship or lawless places, particularly if they are engaged in extractive operations
Yes, you saw what I did there and I never tire of saying it...lol.
Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot & Hitler had "law". Lets take Hitlers "law", it was very dependable. It was orderly. It was stable. There was a process (the coutroom of Roland Freisler etal) but was it just? Well, if you were on the correct side of what they said was "law" I suppose so, that is to say, if you were a faithful nazi.
But here in these two below we find agreement:
"a small entrepreneur that wants to set up a bakery or a brewery tends to prefer a type of order that does not wipe him out because of political whims"
That is why I attacked Bloombergs ridiculous edicts from on high about salt, fat & sugar content in food within New York city. Brooding little fucktard with illusions of grandeur that he is, its why I always will.
"big biz is different, they can live quite well with a dictatorship or lawless places, particularly if they are engaged in extractive operations"
Not only does big business love the "Regulatory Class" that comes with "law", it actively supports it. Not for any safety features they play off on the gullible general public, not at all...but to drive out smaller competitors. The small guy finds it very hard to exist "in their space" with the myriad obstacles placed in their way by law & regulation. He does not have a legal department or a compliance department or an accounting department or the lobbyists hired to rectify his situation. The small guy is forced to sell the trinkets hung from the mirror of the car, instead of the car itself.
Big Business loves Big Law, don't ever let anyone tell you any different, it is their path to its monopoly.
So in the end, law must be just and equal or it is not law at all or anything the dispassionate observer can identify as law because tyrants, authoratarians, despots, oligarchs and dictators love "their law" too.
nmewn, just has nothing to do with it
I am a small biz owner. for me, stability is the first thing I need to operate. if you give the the choice between stability and justice... oh, my. my pocketbook votes for stability and my heart weeps
you say law. I say order. humans do order, all the time. particularly high density places generate order. see NYC and sugar, or smoker-free parks
but on the long run, I can't operate a small biz if I can't judge my risks... ergo my demand for order. stable order. which historically can only be given by inclusive, democratic principles where all minorities are respected (then small biz owners are always a minority)
meanwhile, all "weak-order" places generate... oligarchy. Ukraine? Oligarchs sprung up because only oligarchs could operate. Somalia? Warlords
why oligarchs or warlords? because they can set up their own private armies. they operate on a principle of self-defense... just a tad more effectively than the individual
yes, lots of those regulations you have in the US are written by your Big Biz. and by all that I have explained why we do need an EU, here. it's either our regs or... yours
this is not to say that all our regs are drawn by small biz. only that we do get a bit more of a voice. the stupidest example? we still make cheese our of not pasteurised milk
"you say law. I say order. humans do order, all the time."
Well, this human doesn't do it very well apparently...lol.
I say just law or there can be no real order. Order (in the positive sense, not the negative) springs from the enforcement of a just law. If the law is unjust, so is the enforcement of that law and the order is false.
We can go down a short list if you like, prohibition was a law, many people died, controlled chaos is not order, it was false. Slavery was a law, many died around that law too, whether destined for Boston or Zanzibar, false. Letters of marque, law or license to steal and by whose authority? Is the theft & death not theft & death just because the monarch condones it or were the pirates correct when they recognized the facade (the falsity) of "law" for what it really is?
Surely you see my point ;-)
nmewn, of course I see your point
meanwhile... note that many multinational megacorps still get their Letters of Marque. Privateering is alive and kicking
further, private armies are proliferating, and not only eastern oligarchs'
Yes...and all quite "legal" too I might add ;-)
Yet we live under tyrannical rulers. Does not Draghi dictate monetary policy? Them Cyprus deposiors probably wouldn't have used the word "whimsical". Since bail-ins have been written into your laws, will the dependable theft of your wealth be stable and of good quality?
Without a legal system, I can set up a shop tommorrow, without having to worry about how crony capitalist corporation will use law and regulation to freeze me out or destroy my input chain. Political whims are the administration of laws for the benefit of the few.
Like the mexican farmers, communities can band together and protect themselves from the worst of tyrants, well except the government which naturally, closed them down. Law protects criminals, the richer the criminal, the better the protection.
To the degree a community has stability, people do gain confidence to invest in the future and the invstor has a reason to work with the community. With government, the investor has no reason to work with the community, if he government can coerce the people to act as instructed. So, cut out the middleman and let the people br rewarded for their good beavior.
Sean7k, let me put it this way: Draghi does not dictate monetary policy. he is just the prez/spokeman of the ECB Council, who does indeed dictate monetary policy, on the political mandate of keeping prices stable
as such, it's all clean, both from a legal point of view as on a political one. the political consensus (aka political capital) on that is also there
if a country is not willing to stay in the EUR, it can leave. but then it's the question how political it's monetary policy becomes, among other consequences
are you sure you are in favour of a political currency - as your words suggest to me? note that the USD is more political than the EUR, by it's second mandate of fighting unemployment
as for the banking systems... the truth is that every national bank does have to guard it's banking systems. too early to say how the differences really will flesh out, particularly in regard to those damn megabanks
Yet, they set a target of 2% inflation per year, which is anything but stable. Clean? Because of democracy? A system of manipulation to pacify the ignorant?
How can a country leave if the established rulers refuse? Why are referendums so difficult to place? How would you handle the debts? Or would you see Lincolnian tyranny put countries at war?
I never suggested political currency. I beieve people must be free to decide what is money and what is not.
Cheers.
we do have private currencies, here, btw. yes referendums... are a national matter. yet note that Greeks would probably not vote for a GreXit
Have they been given a real chance? Without a propaganda assault? Scotland sound familiar? Will Cameron ever bring around a referendum? Or will the captured media continue to spew the arguments of status quo and the fearmongering of "anarchy and chaos"?
As a small business owner, which would you consider to be the greater effect on your business: law , regulation, taxes and monetary policy or the threat of disorder and criminality?
Why do we need a demonstration? We KNOW what law results in, so the question is: Do you want to continue with the status quo? Or take a chance on somehing different? Please explain the downside of no laws...No coersive taxes? No courts? No police? People having to gain your approval, instead of telling you what to do? No fiat currency? No financial manipulation? No crony captalism? No prisons? Community? Getting along with people? Projects paid for when they are agreed upon? Free markets? Sound money?
What a terrible list....
There are usually two sets of laws in every society, the written laws and the unwritten laws. Likely impossible to get rid of both.
If you don't like written laws there's always Somalia.
All laws are written and enforceable. You are referring to rules or social mores which are voluntary. Somalia was just fine until the west installed a "democracy" and pitted the clans against each other in an effort to take advantage of IMF largesse.
If you're ignorant of the Xeer system and the history of Somalia, you might not want to comment somewhere other people are not.
You mean back Somalia had its own government system under islamic laws?
So laws which are not enforced? Still laws? Laws enforced selectively, how to define?
Call them 'rules' or whatever you want, but there are a set of written rules and a set of unwritten rules. Depending on who / where you are on the food chain they may or may not apply.
The Xeer system entails an agreemnet amongst clans to observe rules. Acceptable wise members were agreed upon to handle disagreements or enforce judgements, which were paid in cattle- by the clan. Sharia laws made up small part of their system and was secondary to clan rules.
Crimes were paid for by the clan and behavior was regulated by the clan, though a person could leave clans or leave the system alltogether. There are books on the subject. There were no written rules.
However, side lines are just that. Examples of possible behaviors. We know the problem with law, which you seem unable to address. Like a disease, you can recognize the problem and seek treatment or waste away. As your best argument is: "go live in Somalia", then I can assume you have no real argument for law.
The lack of legalism in Somalia is not a cause of Somalia's problems, it is a side-effect, one of many. History and context matter. There is no logical reason to believe that either a) legalism = healthy society or b) no legalism = unhealthy society, and neither logically entails the other. The Stalinist period of the USSR was also perfectly legalist (take a look at the contemporary, published Western legal opinions of the show trials), yet I've never heard anyone saying "if you don't like unwritten laws, there's always Russia, circa 1930-1950".
The lack of legalism in Somalia is not a cause of Somalia's problems, it is a side-effect, one of many.
Irrelevant to the point.
There is no logical reason to believe that either a) legalism = healthy society or b) no legalism = unhealthy society, and neither logically entails the other.
Yes there is, all of historical precedent. Give me an example where contrary?
The Stalinist period of the USSR was also perfectly legalist (take a look at the contemporary, published Western legal opinions of the show trials)
What? Examples please.
Well, please provide the historical precedent. I say, you are a liar. There are ZERO historical precedents of a heathy society with a functioning legal system. History is replete of the exact opposite: Sumeria, Babylon, Eygpt, Rome, The Catholic Church, England, France, Russia, Japan, China, etc. Every state exhibited the same problems: slave classes, small ruling classes, taxes, militarism, abuse of the law and courts.
The very reason a precedent fails to exist, is because the history of modern humanity is one of slavery and repression.
The very reason a precedent fails to exist, is because the history of modern humanity is one of slavery and repression.
Really Sean, you're an oppressed slave?
You have no argument. I guess this means you're agreeing? Or just giving up?
Yes, I am an oppressed slave. Slaves cannot own property, just as we cannot own property. As the State gives me no choice, then yes, I'm oppressed as well. We are paid in debt notes and REQUIRED to use them and accept them. Free men can own property free of any rents. They can choose their money. They can travel without approval and documentation. They do not receive forced education. They are not requied to purchase medical insurance. They can drink raw milk, etc, etc,etc.
You have no argument. I guess this means you're agreeing? Or just giving up?
When someone argues an absurdity there is not much to say.
Yes, I am an oppressed slave.
You can't leave the US and renounce citizenship? Because if you are able to, you are not a slave officially.
Or maybe you have no real argument in the first place.
Why would it matter if I left the US? The whole world are oppressed slaves.
Why would it matter if I left the US?
Sort of one of the keys to slavery, the whole restriction on leaving the master thing..
What you're saying is, you don't like some aspects of society yet the society you exist in is making you subsidize the aspects you don't like in order for you to be there, therefore you are a slave.
So many levels of ridiculous it's hard to even start. First, you are very much welcome to leave the society you are in. You can go live the life of a hunter gatherer, forge for nuts and berries in the middle of nowhere. There are options -most would consider terrible options compared to living in modern society - but they are options. Many people on earth live a subsistence farming existence.
There is the topic of 'wage-slavery' but that's a whole other can of worms and not something you seemed to be referring to, and that is more like slavery because people can't leave.
"You must have law. It is the application of it in this country that sux."
So as a matter of fact you broke at least 3 laws (out of several million) today alone. Now tell us, was it the mis application or the application of the laws you broke that needs to be fixed.
Much wisdom in your words there is...sadly, most will never bring themselves out of the shell and take a peek around.
So when I come and take all your shit Sean, don't call the law buddy, it's gonna be mine, bitch! LOL...the lunacy of it all.
He would bury you and go to work. Besides, you wouldn't do that anyway because you know better and you did not need the government to tell you that now do you.
Why would you come and "take all my shit"? What makes you think that my community and I would allow you? You'll just end up as hog feed...The law wouldn't be there to stop you anyway and their conviction rate is pretty poor. I just won't have to explain to anyone where you went to...
In nature there is no such thing as "criminal". There is only survival of the fittest, the strongest, the fastest, the meanest, the smartest..
When a wolf hits on a chicken, I doubt, the wolf thinks of it as a criminal act. He is just acting according to the laws of nature. The chickens may have another opinion dough..
So from a philosophical viewpoint, all depends of your perspective. Laws are man made to try to stop people following the laws of nature. (a good thing since it prevents people from loathing and killing each other constantly). Everybody has broken a law at some point knowingly or unknowingly.
The fact that there are laws, doesn't guaranty everybody accepts them. The ones that don't, don't see themselves as criminal I guess. To view yourself as a criminal, you have to believe that the man made laws are above nature laws. Which most of us luckily do.
But that is also the weak spot of our law based society, it is in essence a believe system. And it only fully effects the ones that believe in it. The ones that don't are only indirectly effected, since they have to make sure they don't get caught by the ones that do.
Most of laws are the fruit of pragmatical thinking, but some of them are the result of culture. So laws can differ in different locations. This can sometimes result in a culture shock when traveling .. Just like culture may evolve in one way or the other, so will laws.
So laws are essential to prevent chaos and to prevent conflict, but they are man made, which implies they are never perfect and always subject to opposition from one or the other. That's why after thousands of years we still are constantly adjusting them and inventing new ones.
Even in very small remote communities in Africa, where a legal system as we know it has little influence, there are laws, maybe there not written down, but people know them and agree on them, because even if they can't read or write they feel the necessity for rules to prevent chaos.
So if laws are necessary in such small communities where everybody knows, needs and respect each other, I think it is fair to assume that they will be necessary in our big society where strangers have to deal with each other constantly, without the trust that people in such a small community enjoy.
The problem however with politicians is that there are a lot of them, and making laws is there profession. It's the best way to get the media attention they need to ensure that the public knows they even exist. So this has the potential to trigger an effect of too many laws and even conflicting laws. Maybe some day somebody smart will find a solution to this?
Laws have never kept people from killing each other. The choice to kill or not is a personal one. Same with robbery, rape or kidnapping. Laws attempt to minimize these behaviors by providing punishements as deterrents. Which has never worked, because it is a matter of choice.
Therefore, laws are failed attempts to effect behavior. This is what most people focus on- the "security" of law, but there is no security, merely punishment after the fact, in a prison, at great cost. Courts at great cost. Police at great cost.
What you are failing to recognize is the other kinds of laws: laws governing political and economic behavior and how they can be used to create various classes and provide protection from laws to enable them to cheat, steal and murder. Worse, they can be used through legal reasoning to negate laws a class doesn't want to honor, ie The Constitution.
They can be used to steal your wealth (taxes, fractional reserve banking), place rents against your property or actions (licenses and fees) or force you to use your property in an acceptable manner (zoning laws).
Finally, they can be interpreted to result in uneven applications of the law, favoring one class above the other. (too many examples).
Simplistic ruminations on law fail to recognize its' control over all our actions for the benefit of the ruling class. When rules (voluntary controls) become codified and delvered from a bench, a mechanism is created to cheat. Did you never read "Animal Farm"?
There is no good reason why I should not be asked to pay a tax, asked to follow a rule or asked to change a behavior. There is no good reason why I should have to say yes. Humans are social animals, we understand the benefits of good behavior within a community and act accordingly. Like any herd animal, we freely range for opportunity, then come together in a united defense or flee in a manner that provides the most protection.
Laws are a great idea, but they fail to function in real life, because there are people whom can and will use them to enslave others. Thus, the temptation is too great. When the price to be paid is greater still, the cost of having them exceeds the benefits they can provide.
Free_Lunch - There is no blanket solution to evolution. However, there can be road blocks to stall corruption.
An idea instead of having 535 lawmakers you have 100,000 of them to make it too expensive to purchase. Pay them $200k a year with no benefits and peg raises based on approval ratings over 70%.
Term limits is another idea. Banning ability for lawmakers to trade in the stock market and for five years after is yet another.
Pretend this could be implemented tomorrow. You would have a society that may take long enough for mankind to finish evolving as we are near the end.
Eliminate laws and we'll all be free? Maybe if you also eliminate all police and fighting forces too? And what about those pesky drones?
It goes without saying.
Political parties cause instability for their own agendas.
Government is the problem, so it can't be the solution.
And then there's 'Merica. Where we have the false choice of a two-party system, the Two Card Monte.
We're #1! We're #1! We're #1!
Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
End up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up
Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.
Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man
Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man said "son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "son, don't you understand"
I had a brother at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now
Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go
Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
Farage is a City of London man--controlled opposition. His loudmouth haranges are typical Brit upper class bluster. Enjoy your fantasy.
All your freedoms are belong to us!
this ^
If you like your freedom.....you can keep your freedom.
If you like your freedom..... we can keep your freedom.
Martin Armstrong is reporting Putin is leaking evidence on us gov involvement in 911. His timeing is impeccable
OMG!
What evidence would Putin give that isn't already available?
All the FSU?GRU files have been on Scribd for about four days.
Even fringe outlets(including probably ZH) are wary.
Pins it on Mossad with Uncle Scam's sanction/connivance.
For some laughs, dig in:
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/25/russia-leaks-on-911-oops-didnt-...
So I guess Armstrong is off the whole Mossad suicide pilots/voice-to-skull recognition software/nano-thermite already in place where jets actually struck/timed demolition/air to ground communications unpossible/bandwagon thingy?
Fucking heretic! Hang him, dissent will not be tolerated! ;-)
Link please
Are you forgetting where Snowden is right now? If this is true and Putin has the dirt on 9/11 the house of cards will come down...
No, it will just be ignored by the MSM and it will be like it never happened.
About fucking time, if it is true. The biggest elephant in the damn room and none of these assholes will venture near it. He needs to do it on live TV at a U.N. event or some place where the international press can't avoid covering it.
You need to ask why he is leaking it. He's had 13 years. There is a reason the US and the dollar are being attacked and exposed. Deserving it is besides the point - why here, why now?
Ukraine is the probable answer to your question... You don't tug on superman's cape...
Really? Superman's cape? Putin is a puppet, just like our puppet and England's puppet, etc. Ukraine is never the answer. New world feudal slavery is close, but it is more of a catchy title, not an order of war.
Why not?
Armstrong's only reference is to an RT video that was added to LiveLeak on JAN 11, 2014. Neither Armstrong's article nor the video mentions Putin by name. A whopping 3700 views of the video so far. Some leak.... The material on the controlled demolition of WTC7 is right on the mark.
YAWN......
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/25/russia-leaks-on-911-oops-didnt-...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95f_1389438180
just gave me the weirdest erection ive ever had
I heard Martin Armstrong say in an interview last week with Greg Hunter that Ukraine had the world's 3rd largest army. That's insane! If he is so completly wrong about a basic fact like that (Ukraine is way, way down the list), what else is he wrong about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9mUx4EgLEg
Kevin Annett: Vatican rumors Pope Francis health/resignation to avoid Satanic murder evidencehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCX_oujvuMg
Cool info.
What was the odd part?
Hardly, the British love being F'ed over by the Germans, and that's what the Royal Family are. If one of their clan dies, they're all out in the street crying because they lost one of their Nazi's. And return to the streets when a new Nazi is born.
And here's where it gets a bit wibbly wobbly, some brits know the German ancestry and don't care, and some brits just don't want to know.
So, WHO's the anti-establishment candidate in the US, Clinton or Bush?
("This sucker's going down!")
We're coming for these neofascist euro cunts. Some of us have power too and we're going to use it to overthrow these pigs.
Btw the word CUNT is a perfectly suitable descriptor for a Euro Neofascist
cunt is a suitable descriptor in England for the male gender. It often does not carry the same connotations related to females as it does in America. Someone you want to call a fucker or asshole, you can call a cunt. For women, you might want to call them "a slag".
The Euro dream was just an idea that the bankers could get together and collect all European nations and currencies under a firm Euro Bank control. Any national laws or cultural norms that tended to take away from bank profits were outlawed by the EU Parliament in Brussels. Brussels politicians can accept bribes from all across the EU, given them a much bigger take than national politicians. Using NATO as their armed enforcer, the new EU could defend their Banker Dictatorship. Their Euro has stolen nation's abilities to craft their currencies for their national interests and allowed the ECB to extend it's death grip on nations. Greece for example, Cyprus as another.
Then the EU took in the communists as well as the banker crony capitalists. Accepting a large communist influnce of EU domestic and immigration policies would allow national cultures and ethinc identities to be eliminated to reduce national interests to be replaced with a giant communist EU in which communist ideology would replace ethinc identity. This is what open borders is all about. The EU wants as many immigrants as possible to replace nations with comliant soviet citizens.
The EU is a bunch of soviet cunts, and banker's whores. Those who argue for the EU, are usually just revealing their financial investments in Banker EU land or their Soviet Socialist desires to expunge ethnic Europeans from the landscape. Either way, I refuse to accept the EU bankers as anything but liars and crooks, or the Brussels Parliament as anything but the Supreme Soviet of Europe.
Naturally the EU politicians are worried that the people may yet vote against the EU bankers elites and soviet communists. In fact, why wouldn't Europeans want to vote against todays EU Soviet of Socialist Banker Republics. Or the modern Soviet of Bankers. Either way, you can't hide from the EU's social policies which are totally communist. Or it's economic policies which are crony capitalist banker dominated. You can have soviet social policies at the same time the economy is a crony capitalist corrupt elite whorehouse.
"She was just...a wish.
She was just
A wish."
Battlestations folks. "Everyone else is to be labeled a peacenik and a bunch of wussies." Time to see who the real men are now.
Now let's talk "Crimea" Von Monstein....
For those who don't know, "Soviet" literally translates as "Council." When Jack uses the term "Soviet," he basically means a council or gathering of agents for the Anglo-American financial complex whose purpose is to roll out new, more expansive and intrusive ways to steepen the pyramid of global oligarchical collectivism (aka communism). One obvious example of modern Marxist social policy is the rollout of Agenda 21, ostensibly to protect against the false flag of "global warming" and other handy threats to "sustainability."
You rather carelessly left out the important bit at the start of the quote by Hitler.
But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists...
The quote finishes with:
One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies." Those who do not realise the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.
Why mess up a quintessentially inspiring hitler quote with references to his primary thesis?
Normally I support different points of view and would rather see a debate than have someone banned, which has been one of ZH's strengths. There are enough intelligent people here to recognize antisemitism for the murderous pornography that it is, but at the same time, the consequences of letting it go unchecked are so frightful that I can understand the impulse behind an outright ban of those who promote it.
For a gentile, being an anti-semite is the same as being anti-slavery. The Talmud and secret oral teachings are very clear on the juddahite claims that all gentiles are to be their mules. Their actions, especially there leadership of the Soviet revolution and the system of goverment they helped create, are the embodiment of modern slavery.
Worse, they are allowed to lie and cheat in any transaction with a gentile, safe in the knowledge their god approves.
Your tribal affiliations are noted.
Those who pose the threat to the rest of us are chameleons who wear religion, ethnicity, nationality and other group membership like you and I wear a shirt. For a label that doesn't get mired in controversy and political correctness, try PSYCHOPATH or REPTILIAN. These are not human beings like you and me. There are key biological and neurological differences. Bloodlines are important because psychopathy is inherited.
Political Ponerology
Tried to upvote you twice, JackB.
Tony, based on the vote, Draghi just needs to step up his debt-centered attacks to keep these whiners from getting out of hand.
As the old recipe provides: The beatings will continue until morale improves.
These clowns scare the bejeebbers out of me!!!
DaddyO
LaGarde's article about her love for Yellen in the last Time Rag scared the bejeebbers out of me.
Wait a minute ... aren't you four clowns short ...nevermind. I got it, it's "Banzai Seven", not "Seven Clowns".
They are the real Clowns on Acid....
Lucky that there are eastern examples of just societies.
Ive long postulated an international false flag whereby the "radicals" simultaneously attack ghettos in numerous countries which would kill many "useless eaters" while providing the requisite panic to hand over what is left of our rights for the privelige of being able to nuke iran, and whoever is in the penalty box of the western retard gang.
The Liberal Three S's
It is a well know fact that liberals want society to be based on the three S's and not the three R's. The three S's are homeless shelters, workless shelters, and brainless shelters. This dangerous shelter mentality has given rise to numerous repressive governments over the centuries like, communism, socialism, fascism, marxism, etc.
Liberals will greedily use government power to transform society into a homeless shelter where everyone will be fed, and will be given a bed, and receive little else. Liberals will also use government power to transform businesses into a workless shelter where everyone will be given a paycheck and benefits and do little else. And finally liberals will use government power to transform schools into brainless shelters where everyone will be given a diploma and straight A's for just feeling smart.
The three S's will guarantee the liberals a permanent voting majority until society ceases to be a human endeavor and reverts to an animalistic, cannibalistic, ghetto....like Detroit, Chicago, and many other liberal cities around the globe.
well the people didn't vote against establishment, they vote against immigration, for more police, more army, less social policies, less sharing with the poor
so no they don't need more terror bs, those elections are showing that minds are totally ready for a total police state (that is in fact already there)
banksters must be happy, when the crash comes, those voters are going to welcome martial law & more segregation of the poor & the immigrant.
Chaos! Yeah!
So Mario, just who is it that has forbidden you to buy sovereign bonds of EU member countries?
Is it the Bundesbank?
Or did maybe the Kremlin tell you that if you cheapen the Euro, you will have a new Euro-tier price for gas and oil?
What is Draghi doing talking about elections ?
He should shut his yap and only open it for monetary policy.
A horse is a horse of course, of course.
Bringing up the Kerry shit again
Scull and Bones 4 Life!
Draghi spent the day with Durao Barrosso and Christine "la cunt" Lagarde at a Sintra estate in Portugal discussing IMF strategies (behind closed doors). They are either shitting their pants or devilish planning their next move.
Nah. It was just a bohemian grove tree orgy. Nothing to see there.
DRAGHI SAYS PEOPLE VOTING ACROSS EUROPE ARE CLEARLY DISENGAGED
Sure, but what's the total turnout? Less than 50%? Draghi is desperately trying to give some legitimacy to the poor slobs at Brussels. ;-)
And Putin watches a hockey game while plotting his next movde in the Ukraine crisis. Or perhaps his plan is already in motion as war is about to start throughout the region...
http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2014/05/25/may-25-2014-ukraine-election...
As a Belgian, I would like to point out the misconception serounding the NVA, the NVA is PRO european, Bart de Wever is pro- european, He is the same guy that said he wants Europe to have an European army and want europe to have even more power.
So they are indeed very "right" but very PRO europe.
I just wanted to point that out.