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Exit Polls Show "Choco-King" Poroshenko Winning Ukraine Election As Expected (US Hardly Enthused)

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As was largely expected, Petro Poroshenko - the candy tycoon known as the "chocolate king" - has easily beaten Yulia Tymoshenko - nicknamed "gas princess" - to become Ukraine's next president according to exit polls:


Hope remains for stability in the nation as Poroshenko, as we noted here, is the most middle of the road - pro-Europe (but not too much) and most importantly believes Ukraine joining NATO "is probably not a good idea," which will likely disappoint the US. There has been violence in the East but it does not seem widespread enough to warrant any negative conclusions from Putin for now.





As we noted previously, Poroshenko is in the "middle"..


The next stape is, of course, whether Putin will accept these results. A factor that may impact Russia’s reaction to the presidential elections is the scale of hostility in eastern Ukraine. Depending on this factor, as well as the rate of participation (they are to some degree interrelated), we see the following scenarios:

Base case (65% probability): de facto, not de jure recognition – hostilities moderate towards the start of elections, rate of participation is relatively high in eastern Ukraine.


Optimistic scenario: de jure and de facto recognition (15%) in case of a significant de-escalation of military tension, progress in engaging the eastern representatives of pro-Russian forces in the peace process, relatively high rate of participation.


Pessimistic scenario: military escalation, eastern Ukraine boycotts elections; Russia’s meddling becomes significant (20% probability).

Turnout rates are reportedly high...

Ukrainians voted Sunday in a presidential election many hoped would steer the country back to stability, notching significant turnout figures despite shuttered polling stations across two rebel-held regions in the east.

but rumors of 'hackers' rigging the election are also spreading...

A group of hackers has been arrested in Kyiv with specialized equipment intended to rig the results of the Ukraine’s presidential election, according to Victor Yagun, deputy head of the Security Service of Ukraine, known as the SBU.


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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:24 | 4793483 ObamaDepression
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So are we still to believe that the CIA is behind all this when the wrong person wins?

I'm confused.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:25 | 4793488 icanhasbailout
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what did you think the hackers were there for?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:34 | 4793509 flacon
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Is this good for stawks, or good for stawks.... yes it's good for stawks. S&P 2000 by 10:00am Tuesday?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:43 | 4793530 smlbizman
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do they use the paper ballots in the clear boxes? or did they go diebolt?...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:55 | 4793536 strannick
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 I interpret " joining NATO might not be a good idea" to mean "I'll play ball with Putin. No wonder Putin was keen on elections and distancing himself from Donesk and Lhansk seperatists. Why take 2 provinces when you can have the whole country. Obama might just cgoke on that chess piece hes been chewing on. 

The Unknown Putin

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:57 | 4793565 Looney
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The next and last election might be Putin/Xi vs. Hecklary/Merkel. ;-)


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:19 | 4793921 COSMOS
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Ukraine wont give up Crimea...he says

LOL the only way they can go to Crimea without a visa is if they join Russia again like the old days.

His best bet is to federalize the constitution, put in a clause about staying neutral and never forming any military alliances.  Then he can get some good gas prices from Russia and he can welcome investments in from both Russia and the EU.  He can make visa free travel agreements with both countries and he can sit back and enjoy economic growth. Simple formula for success.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:14 | 4793795 BlindMonkey
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Putin said he was not in favor of a divided Ukraine a few months ago. I assumed that meant he was playing for all of it.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:36 | 4794082 PhilofOz
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The Unknown Putin


"Russians had to paid the Americans almost $1 billion dollars because they were mining and importing our oil." Why am I not surprised! No doubt this is a similar story in places like Iraq and Libya now.

Well I have a lot more respect for Putin than I ever had after watching this.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 00:46 | 4794689 Rootin' for Putin
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The only way i could have more respect for Putin would be if he had a baby with Maggie Thatcher - that kid would have been a superhero or something.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:14 | 4793694 FuzzyDunlop21
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Its a Tuesday, after a holiday which means low vol plus feel good holiday ramp, and growing instability. If we dont reach 1920 Id be shocked

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:59 | 4793766 Berspankme
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Everything is good for stawks. buy buy buy

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:37 | 4793517 Winston Churchill
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Good hackers or bad hackers rounded up ?
Remember who controls security,the neo nazi's.
I expect a tallied result completely different from the exit polls.The CIA has a lot invested.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:07 | 4793584 strannick
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Yes, they put a lot of their drug money into getting this election. I wonder if we will be seeing exposes of this new Oligarchs decadent trappings. I guess it depends on how far he leans towards Russia.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:59 | 4794007 caShOnlY
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what did you think the hackers were there for?

weren't these the same hackers seen exiting the state of maine, expeditiously, as soon as Ron Paul lost the primary there?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:36 | 4793518 Kirk2NCC1701
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If you're easily confused, allow my 7th grader to help you out: "Just because the CIA was behind all this, does not mean that they still control the situation to the degree that they want or need".

Or, as an old British saying goes: "There's many a slip between the cup and the lip".

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:48 | 4793540 Looney
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... There's many a slip between the CUP and the LIP.

Well, it really depends on the CUP SIZE ;-)


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:03 | 4793683 MisterMousePotato
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I have wondered what that expression meant for nigh on 40 years. Maybe 45.

Like "You can't have your cake and eat it, too, Grasshopper," which my mother used to say to me. I would wonder, "What the fuck does that mean?"

Took me about 35 years to figure that one out.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:51 | 4793548 john39
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Relax, the outcome is kosher, the winner is part of the tribe:


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:31 | 4793926 Urban Roman
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If the goal was chaos, it has been a splendid moderate success. It has been hard to convince the Uke army to shoot at their own people.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:45 | 4793533 DogOfSinope
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You guys seem to be confused at least since the presidential elections of 2000, when the "wrong" candidate won - but the "right" candidate became president.
So, it's about time you get some cold shower and large. warm, sweetened coffee. The rest of us would really appreciate some help, you know...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:57 | 4793567 Soul Glow
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Gore was offered savior status per "Global Warming" and chose to bow out of a Presidency to attain such godlike status among his followers.  And like him Bush was popular in his own right - he got to bomb the shit out of brown people, which his constituants loved.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:28 | 4793712 Lore
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Global Warming Religion and the Bush Dynasty are tentacles of the same creature.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:50 | 4793544 Smegley Wanxalot
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Last time when the wrong guy won, the EUSSA violently overthrew the govt in Kiev, killing many people in the process and tearing up the country.  If it is determined in the shit-filled bowels of Brussels and DC that Poroshenko is the wrong guy, expect another violent overthrow.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:01 | 4793575 Soul Glow
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And all the while Madaline Albright will pen articles for Time Ragazine demonizing Vlad Putin.  

Forward, American!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:55 | 4793563 booboo
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"So are we still to believe that the CIA is behind all this when the wrong person wins?"

Well when everyone else except a U.S. citizen is aware of this fact it kinda blows up in their face. But when you say "behind all this" you may need to specify what "all this" is.

It's kind of hard to control the other guys "free press"

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:22 | 4793927 COSMOS
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This guy is not the wrong person.  The EU to entice him removed restrictions on chocolates from Ukraine.  He is more their man than Russia's.

He will play the EU NATO game all the way through like a good little oligarch looking to increase his market share in the EU and USA

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:46 | 4793659 Gringo Viejo
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Yes you are.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:43 | 4794783 ebear
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Where is it written that the CIA never fails?


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:27 | 4793490 overmedicatedun...
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wait for a few months before saying the cia is not behind this..if russia and ukraine come to terms and some of the eastern areas are allowed more independence then you might have a point.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:34 | 4793507 Oracle of Kypseli
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The oligarchs of Ukraine will divide the pie, bring some semblance of calm, peace and harmony and they and Putin will do a victory dance while Kerry and O'bummer would be hiding on a sailboat and in Afganistan respectively.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:10 | 4793788 crazzziecanuck
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If Poroshenko doesn't do what the West tells him,the threat is already been levelled.  They'll just do to him what they did to Yanukovitch.

Line up NED money, pump it through Ukrainian astroturf "NGOs" to pay and organize people to make a mess in Kiev again.  Amplified by getting their MSM handmaidens to repeat an endless drone of bullcrap about Mr. Poroshenko until he relents.

It's not as if the USA has to do that much to forment civil strife.  You've already got eastern portions of the nation in armed conflict and probably very alienated to the point they will never truly return.  At best, Lugansk and Donetsk will become this decade's Crimea, opting for autonomy and get it only on paper as Kiev continues to run the show.  Then, of course, you have the craptastic Ukrainian economy in full implode mode.

Wouldn't be hard for the CIA to "Yanukovitch" the new President.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:27 | 4793491 Oh regional Indian
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So this is how Ukraine is sent to the back burner for now. A moderate who has opiated ukraine for how many ever years...

trussssst in meeeeeeee.......trrrrrrruuuusttt in meeeeee........

Too funny, all "nationals" suddenly believe that businessmen make good politicians?

What a statement that is...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:46 | 4793534 Hongcha
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Fine with me and my Russian shares.  Just percolate along, drift to the back pages and let the shares rise to the 2x multiple I conservatively target for this time next year.  Fine.  As an American, Ukraine is not and never was my business.  ZOG can eat shit.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:28 | 4793493 Taurine
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I find it amazing how many Putin supporterts there are on Zerohedge. As someone whos country was occupied by Russians for 50 years, I can tell you that living even today with the Russian occupants is a nightmare. Many of them still dont speak my native language, not because it is hard to learn my language, but because they simply choose to not learn it as they expect that Russian empire will be re-established one day and all their "suffering" under "fascist" government that made them learn our language and respect our traditions will be over.

How would /do you like when in Califnornia or other border states in the US people simply wont talk to you in English? Thats how we are feeling for 50+ years when all those occupants(including their military) arrived  from the mighty Russia. They "freed" us from Nazis, while in 1949 killing and deporting tens of thousands of my people to Siberia to die in winter. They deported Tatars also(they only re-settled back in Crimea udner Ukrainian government), so you can understand why they dont support Russians in their native Crimea today.

As for Eastern Ukraine, some of you seem to forget Chechenya. That same Russia today, that lied to us about not having any military in Crimea, is now (always) complaining about civil rights and "peaceful" residents(armed with RPGs, AK47s etc etc) being attacked by Ukrainian army. Imagine that...those peaceful residents with AK47s and RPGs take over buildings and they expect that Ukrainian army in Ukraine(!) wont do anything?!?...Whats next Ukrainian police in Ukraine? 

In Chechenya Russians didnt care if they killed civilians, terrorists or seperatists, 200k dead in Chechenya. All they wanted was to be independent from Russia.... But hey! Russia Today wont talk about that, no wonder many on here dont even know about that. Think about that next time you fantasise about Putin.

Sorry for my grammar English is not my first or second language.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:31 | 4793505 mrblah
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The U.S./E.U. killed a multiple of 200k in Afghanistan/Iraq, yet pretend to care about a few dozen allegedly killed by Viktor the LEGITIMATE Ukrainian leader.

I won't even begin to comment on Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Central African Republic, nor Egypt.

Where is your condemnation of this? Or are you, like the U.S./E.U. blind and only capable of seeing double standards by Russia/Putin?



Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:53 | 4793558 ObamaDepression
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Your'e just cheering for "your tribe" rather than freedom or democracy.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:03 | 4793580 Son of Captain Nemo
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The U.S./E.U. killed a multiple of 200k in Afghanistan/Iraq


Many many more than that died in those two places...
Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:44 | 4793651 RichardParker
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I believe you mean "legitimate Ukranian dictator".  BTW, I did not down vote you.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:47 | 4793660 mrblah
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Well, dictator, "leader of the people", it all equates to the same thing these days.

They all do as they wish once elected, and renegade on any pledge as they see fit. But I get what you mean.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:34 | 4793510 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Your propaganda would sound less cheap if you didn't conflate Russia with the USSR.

This guy is at best a propagandist who perfectly knows that his stuff is babble and simply wishes for it to replace facts. Problem: his stuff is so gross that only people with already a similar mindset can be attracted to it.

At this point, he fools nobody, including himself.

At worst, he believes what he writes and he is past the point of salvation.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:43 | 4793531 Taurine
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Oh my gosh, do you even understand what you wrote here? Conflict Russia with the USSR? You do understand that the Russian government, not the USSR(which collapsed in 1991) killed people in Chechnya? It was 1994-1999. Read up on it "fool". They killed Chechenyans because they wanted to be independant from Russia. Russia didnt have any problems killing 200k seperatists and civilians then. Can you tell me whats the difference between Chechenya and Donetsk & Lugansk? Why Russia didnt have problems killing people there in much larger numbers? At least Ukrainian army doesnt bomb buildings like Russians did.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:56 | 4793568 john39
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Conflate = conflict?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:23 | 4793611 strannick
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When the KGB/FSB has the same power to destabilize to the same extent southern Texas and California get back to us.

Is setting fires to civilian buildings less bad than bombing them?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:56 | 4793882 Buckaroo Banzai
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The CIA is largely staffed by incompetent assclowns. At least that is what a veteran CIA agent once told me, and he backed up that assertion with a few stories that made you believe it.

Can we please stop attributing miraculous powers to the CIA.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:39 | 4793958 Urban Roman
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They have excelled at sowing discord over the decades. That economic hit man stuff doesn't take a whole lot of brains if it is backed by a large military.

Miraculous power not required, as they have had little competition. The FSB may just outflank them this time, however.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:47 | 4793862 rwe2late
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 What is being 'conflated' is USA and Russian citizenship.

The primary duty of a US citizen is to bitch about his/her own government.

Same goes for a Russian citizen.

The complaint that US citizens ought to be distressed more, complaining more, about what foreign governments do than what the US does smacks of an imperialist mind-set and hubris.

Sorry if you don't like your foreign government. But don't expect the US government to 'fix' what you don't like. The meddling, the interventions, the so-called 'policing of the world', has ruined our own government. And it hasn't done much good either, whether globally reducing militarism, advancing human rights, or individually for Vietnam, Iraq, Haiti, etc.

The professed humanitarianism of the interventionists is irritatingly false.

Militarism corrupts. And no government puts the interests of others before its own.

As Memorial Day arrives, consider:

On television there will be the millionaires’ farce of giant war profiteers Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Maytag, General Dynamics, General Electric, General Motors, Bell Helicopter, Unysis, Aerojet, Raytheon, MIT, Alliant Techsystems, etc., running ads to convince viewers that they themselves are public-spirited corporations, and the dead and wounded weren’t maimed for a nickel mine, a helicopter company, a munitions factory, an oil field, pipeline or shipbuilder. With a $700 billion military budget, and the revolving door spinning between the General Staff and the board rooms of the weapons builders, it’s clear that President Eisenhower didn’t get his wish when he warned, “I don’t want people who have a financial stake in crisis and tensions to have a voice in national policy.”

If it sounds like the big boys are dividing the spoils among themselves; it’s because they are. Exxon, BP, Shell; they’re all here. They all have their contracts in hand, and they’re all drilling their brains out thanks to the American servicemen and women who gave their lives for some trumped up baloney about WMD.
...  And even now–after all the reasons for going to war have been exposed as lies–the farce continues. Nothing has changed. Nothing. There’s still no talk of reparations, no official investigation, no indictments, no prosecutions, no trials, no penalties, no nothing. Not even a stinking apology. Just a big “up yours” Iraq. We’re way too important to apologize for killing a million of your people and reducing your five thousand year old civilization to a pile of rubble.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:19 | 4793619 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Oh my gosh, do you even understand what you wrote here?

I simply debunked your cheap propaganda. An activity that does not require your participation or consent.

It is funny how ideologues love to side track a topic to avoid facing the facts related to it. If better propaganda could be produced it might at least entertain. Such a cheapness.

Can you tell me whats the difference between Chechenya and Donetsk & Lugansk?

Woooo, another Ukrainian Nazi Junta Citizenism historian. Might like to step into present day reality once awhile. Who knows, you might learn something like the leader of Chechnya spent 4 days negotiating the release of those two Russian journalists kidnapped by the Banderatards.

Sorry to spoil your propagandizing. But hey, you can always retreat back to your fantaisical illusions.

At least Ukrainian army doesnt bomb buildings like Russians did.

The gentle Ukrainian army shells apartment buildings with artillery. Less lethaler than evil Russian bombs?

The relentless association of facts and the requirement to be part of one specific group to acknowledge the facts keeps amazing me. For Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenists, one has to be a non Russian speaker to acknowledge facts.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:26 | 4793628 Taurine
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I wont even bother to respond to your Putlerist agenda. Strong source on that "Colorado beetle" website.


Watch how Grozny(Capital of Chechenya) looked like after Russians attacked Chechenya.


And now compare that to the evil nazi, fascist or whatever name Russia Today uses to describe Ukrainian army activities in Ukraine.


PS. I challange for you to prove that at least 1 thing I wrote is wrong.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:31 | 4793634 Taurine
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While we at it:


RUSSIAN TRADITIONS. Russian army officers cut off the heart from an alive Ukrainian soldier (video)


I suggest you read more on Ramzan Kadyrov that you mentioned here. He is nothing more than Putins right hand who is getting more money than he knows what to do with, while his Chechenya is living in poverty. Reminds you of someone? Oh yeah that democraticly elected Yanukovych.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:45 | 4793656 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It is a Banderatarded thing to consider that centering back the problem on what it is not is like saying some mattering thing.

He is a Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenist. And conciliating opposites is no issue for Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenists because they ignore the issues attached to conciliating opposites.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:52 | 4793667 Taurine
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Ok I see, name calling and 0 facts. Good luck to you buddy. Keep that Putin spirit strong & keep supporting the peaceful resistance of Donbass. Maybe we will see some more heart cutting and more RPGs, I mean didnt Putin say that they are peaceful? Donbass peaceful seperatists will just keep on walking around with AK47s and RPGs (that no one supplied them with of course)....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:02 | 4793682 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This kind of low Banderatard cheap propaganda should only take the time to write them.

No thought in it, only common recitating that comes out of Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenism driven minds.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:13 | 4794032 marriedgeordie
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Do not bother conversing with the local double thinking idiots. There are two kinds of them here - outright russian trolls and local self-obsessed imbeciles who somehow unite their hatred for the police state that the USA has become with love for Putin. Cheer up, and putin-Huilo.

The local Ukrainian

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 08:29 | 4797871 dsty
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like the guy says, there are trolls here

I sympathize with your situation

I hope you are a man of faith, but don't let it be in the west

as you can see, we have our own demons and they seem to be shaking things up all over the planet

Soon there will be  new world order, it won't be good, but it will be temporary till the real judge comes

God bless

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:29 | 4793714 ross81
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the most important thing you forgot to mention is that Russia was never ever going to accept some sort of al-Qaeda state right on its border. You Russophobic fucknuts can drone on all you like about "independence", we all know you care for Chechen independence about as much as you do that of Djibouti! No, for you lot any cause that pokes a finger in Moscow's eye is to be supported, even if they are the sort of Islamist cut-throats & liver eaters we've seen in both Chechnya and Syria.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:46 | 4793734 Volkodav
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Kavkaz Center = radical Wahabi Islam

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:54 | 4793669 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah Ukrainian Yatzi Junta Citizenists and their dedication to strawsmen. You gotta love them.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:59 | 4793675 Herodotus
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The United States did the same thing to the people of Virginia, Tennessee, Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.  They killed them because they wanted to be independent.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:12 | 4793793 crazzziecanuck
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Chechen rebels wanted more than indepedence.  They wanted a Taliban state.

The world clearly needs more of those floating around.  What's the worst that can happen?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:34 | 4794078 dark pools of soros
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ironically the Tailban originally stopped the opium trade which cold turkeyed russian addicts..   i guess russia itself wants to keep the flow going...  probably easier than creating mindless TV to control the sheep


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:40 | 4793643 TheReplacement
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You do not know your very recent history very well.  The Russians absolutely slaughtered the Chechens, fighters and civilians alike.  Boys found with bruises on their right shoulders were summarily executed.  Villages were pillaged and women were raped. 

Now this last bit might get your attention.  The CIA helped the Russians in Chechnya.  Yeah.  Russia, not on the good team.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:51 | 4793665 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Poor side tracking on a non relevance, strictly for offuscation and divertion.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:52 | 4793749 strannick
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Thanks. That's why we assumed you were here

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:50 | 4794447 Volkodav
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I think you know little about this subject.

You support Wahabi terrorists?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:38 | 4793520 Oracle of Kypseli
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You are missing the point. That is the counterreaction to our impotent leaders who are destrying the country and many other countries.

He is now doing so well for his people.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:39 | 4793525 icanhasbailout
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People are not so much fans of Putin as simply stunned to see a national leader who actually pursues his nation's interests, rather than using them as no more than rhetorical cover for pursuing bankster agendas.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:58 | 4793569 intotheblack
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Stunned? I'm positively gobsmacked. How does he resist their mind-control rays?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:46 | 4793658 TheReplacement
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People have been talking about the coming NWO and the shift in global power to the east for years.  Now people see Putin's rise as some unrelated event.   Very strange.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:50 | 4793546 JR
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There’s no dispute that the people who have lived in Ukraine have suffered and died because of that region’s geography. The power players targeting that area for their own interests, such as the John McCains, Victorial Nulands, Ian Brzezinskis and Hunter Bidens, are back again this year, especially with the European-Banker-Federal-Reserve-IMF-American-Empire consortium pushing in every way it can to co-opt the people for their debt society on the way to world government.

Putin is their problem because he would like to keep Ukraine as a buffer zone against the European Banker attacks and the globalists' demolition of European sovereignty and as an important area of commerce for Russian and Ukraine interests.

It would help you greatly if you would understand the people behind this putsch. You mentioned Chechnya. Here’s just one revelation of who is doing the pushing behind the US government.

“This harshness towards Putin is perhaps explained by the fact that, in the US, the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled 'distinguished Americans' who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the 'war on terror'. They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be 'a cakewalk'; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush's plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines. 

 "The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasizing the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic. It compares the Chechen crisis to those other fashionable 'Muslim' causes, Bosnia and Kosovo - implying that only international intervention in the Caucasus can stabilise the situation there.

"In August, the ACPC welcomed the award of political asylum in the US, and a US-government funded grant, to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the opposition Chechen government, and a man Moscow describes as a terrorist. Coming from both political parties, the ACPC members represent the backbone of the US foreign policy establishment, and their views are indeed those of the US administration....Allegations are even being made in Russia that the west itself is somehow behind the Chechen rebellion, and that the purpose of such support is to weaken Russia, and to drive her out of the Caucasus. The fact that the Chechens are believed to use as a base the Pankisi gorge in neighbouring Georgia - a country which aspires to join Nato, has an extremely pro-American government, and where the US already has a significant military presence - only encourages such speculation. Putin himself even seemed to lend credence to the idea in his interview with foreign journalists on Monday."
--John Laughland, trustee of the British Helsinki Human Rights Group
The Chechens' American friends, 8 September 2004


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:48 | 4794438 Volkodav
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SAKER comments on Chechen Leader Kadyrov help with hostages and curren cooperation:

This is most important to read.

Kadyrov had previously offered send help to Crimea to fight any "devils" making troubles.



Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:51 | 4793550 Phuk u
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Taurine, there are a lot of Putin cocksuckers on ZH who must be cringeing at the fact that

Ukraine has voted democratically despite the Kremlin backed vodka swilling knuckleheads

in Luhansk and Donetsk trying to violently disrupt the presidential vote. They dont know what 

'Soviet' means and look at Putin as being the last saviour to fight the Western banks/culture.

Putin will fall on his own sword and until then all you idiots can suck him off, he wont thank you for it

but you him. Fascism is alive and well in Ukraine, less than 1% voting for the Right Sector candidate,

a hell of a %age compared to Le Pen, BNP and other parties within Europe.


Congratulations to Poroshenko, a sweet victory.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:01 | 4793679 damicol
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I think you will be severely disappointed in a relatively short time.


 Have you really checked Poroshenkos background, family connections and history.

 I would bet you a dollar to a pinch of shit that when it comes down to it he will not lose his billions and in Putins pocket he will safe and snug, knowing that he gets his  benefits and security far more surely and sweetly going that way.

No way is this boy going to see his chocolate factory's freeze up in winter

Watch Putin congratulate him and invite him to Kremlin any day now and announce he can work magic with this man.

Now that is something even the commie cunt barusto  could never do in a million years



Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:18 | 4793701 Pure Evil
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So why are you sharing your homosexual fantasies about ZH'ers sucking Putin's cock.

Are you downloading some quite frankly disgusting porn that not even the SEC has access to?

Its one thing if you want to engage in self abuse while dreaming about gay sex with Putin, but at least do the rest of us a favor and keep your hands above the desk while you attempt to type and post on this blog.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:23 | 4794060 marriedgeordie
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Slava Ukraini!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:00 | 4793574 Son of Captain Nemo
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In Chechenya Russians didnt care if they killed civilians, terrorists or seperatists, 200k dead in Chechenya. All they wanted was to be independent from Russia....

No they didn't and neither did the U.S. clandestine service care when they armed those "freedom fighters" in Chechenya and Georgia and now Ukraine!

I'd ask you to ask the Tsarnaev brother(s) that same question, but one of them is permanently indisposed from communication and the other one like all dead men will never be in the business of telling lies again...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:12 | 4793606 Laughinggrizzley
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That's ok, English is not the primary language of the USSA, as anyone that has called their bank can attest.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:14 | 4793609 ObamaDepression
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Back when you had to do some basic algebra to post on ZH you didn't have these childish posts.

There's no minimum IQ to post anymore and the quality of comments has suffered.

Today's posts on Russia/Ukraine are nothing more than tribal cheerleading. I some what wonder if these people are Putin paid shills to try to influence public opinion especially givern ZH's international audience.

Best wishes to you.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:24 | 4793625 JR
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These areas suffer because of their geography. There would have been a chance for peace if it hadn’t been for people like John McCain and a banker takeover of the U.S. government and if the U.S. government had used its superpower strength to provide true support for freedom.

Kiev follows the pattern in Chechnya and Georgia. And like the other manufactured crises, it’s not about consumer products, shopping or free trade moving into Ukraine from the west.

It’s about petroleum; the pipe lines, the oil from the Caucasus, it’s about drawing the line of western Europe to cut off Russian access to oil tankers.

It’s about installing a western puppet government in Ukraine that will work with the EU bankers in enslaving the Ukrainian people. The mob, like mobs in other countries, thinks it is about moving their economy toward “western ideals,” and all the while they are picking up their invitation to tyranny.

THIS CRISIS IS ABOUT CHANGING THE GOVERNMENT, removing the ties to Russia and installing the ties to Brussels.

"By way of deception you shall make war" is the translation of the Mossad motto. To simplify: lie. And in the Ukraine crisis, the lies are coming fast and they have been arriving for decades.

Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997 |

By Chris Ernesto March 14, 2014


Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire. still.”

“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia. 

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”…

Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America…” 

And by challenging America, Putin challenges the NWO, i.e., Van Rompuy's global governance.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:33 | 4793637 Son of Captain Nemo
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Oh no, no,  OD...

Best wishes to you and yours

Something good finally is coming your way "special delivery"!

It even received President Obama's endorsement two months ago... Kinda cryptic, but nevertheless I think he's trying tell us to hold vigil for something spectacular uninvited and unannounced much like the last one!!!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:22 | 4793703 loonyleft
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nothing more than tribal cheerleading, says ObamaDepression.


Irony :P

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:10 | 4793629 Seeing Red
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@Taurine:  Your experience seems to have polarized you.  Some of use merely admire competent leadership (it's so rare now in the USA); please don't assume anything beyond that.


Junkers:  Really?  Why?  Please enlighten me on how I'm wrong, considering I don't claim to be speaking for a majority.  Anyone?

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 01:02 | 4794706 Adahy
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'How would /do you like when in Califnornia or other border states in the US people simply wont talk to you in English?'

Umm, just so you know, we have more people like that in the US than you do total population...and we still don't force English on them...and ours are immigrants.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:29 | 4793494 MarsInScorpio
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Eat poop and die, Victoria, John K., Barrack, George, John B., Harry, Diane, Nancy, Eric, John McC., Joe, et. al - and take your blond neo-Nazi Yulia along with you.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:29 | 4793496 mrblah
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The next stage is Tymoshenko doing what she promised/pledged a few weeks back; if she lost she would start the "third round of revelution"...

..Obviously backed by pravy Sektor Nazis and the U.S. state dept.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:07 | 4793591 john39
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The guy who won is cleary part of the banker occupation forces.  So, nothing new here.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:36 | 4793504 ebworthen
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Just watch our D.C. dopes push Poroshenko to join NATO and "sweeten" the deal with $20 Billion U.S. Taxpayer funds.

Kerry and McCain to fly to Kiev for a photo-op, checkbook in hand, along with some C.I.A. moles to leave behind.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:40 | 4793527 icanhasbailout
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that bribe was elected into his pocket in a free and fair vote

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:07 | 4793589 Obamanism
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"Kerry and McCain to fly to Kiev for a photo-op," Change to "Kerry and McCain to fly to Kiev for a Selfie-op,

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:35 | 4793512 q99x2
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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:35 | 4793513 williambanzai7
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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:11 | 4793600 g'kar
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Is that Belgium chocolate?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:17 | 4793615 Yen Cross
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  I like my diabetics in lateral orange stripes. Happy Halloween

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:40 | 4793726 tony wilson
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the picture

the bloke

the image above

the brown bar

that chocolate

is it kosher?

has it got the correct rabbi a credit tation and the  demonic saturn seal?


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:05 | 4793782 no1wonder
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ROSHEN... sounds pretty Jewish, doesn't it?

Ukraine Presidential Frontrunner Petro Poroshenko and His Secret Jewish Roots - 'Chocolate King's' Father Was Jew Who Took Wife's Name

source: The Jewish Daily Forward

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:42 | 4793647 JR
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“Ukraine could become a NATO member within a year or two as long as there is political will and public support to do so, Ukraine's Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko has said. ‘I believe that with a political will and a public wish to do so, public support for politicians in charge, and a clear and right awareness policy, this [becoming a NATO member] could be accomplished within a year or two,’ he told journalists in Brussels on Thursday after a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission held in Brussels on the sidelines of the alliance's North Atlantic Council meeting.”  December 4, 2009, KyivPost

And today from the KyivPost (Poroshenko already placating the United States):

Less than 30 minutes after the polls closed, Poroshenko addressed thousands of supporters at his Kyiv headquarters in Arsenal Mystytskiy in a victory rally. He spoke in English, Ukrainian and Russian -- a refreshing contrast to Ukraine's first four presidents.

"You see that all exit polls held by the most trustworthy institutions say that the elections ended in the first tour and the country has a new president. First of all I want to thank Ukrainian people who showed a record turnout," Poroshenko said. "Neither rain no thunderstorm - although a storm is a good sign - did not prevent them. I want to thank all the Ukrainians for the trust they showed in me and my team. Over 90 percent of Ukrainians voted for a united Ukraine - not a federative state. I thank very much for this too. It was a basic issue of my program; 80 percent of Ukrainians supported the European vector for Ukraine. I want to especially thank the people of Crimea who in the most difficult conditions did what they can, managed to get out of Crimea and voted. Now we can say for sure - all the country voted. The president of the whole Ukraine was elected."

Poroshenko said he will try to end the war against Ukraine instigated by Kremlin-backed separatists.

"The first steps of my team will focus on ending the war, the chaos, the unrest and bring peace to the land of Ukraine," Poroshenko said. "My first trip as president will be to the Donbas (of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts). I will thank them. And I will thank the Ukrainian military who protected the people and the polling stations. We will take unhesitating steps to implement the association agreement with the European Union."

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:32 | 4793718 Oldrepublic
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The third President of Ukraine, Victor  Yushchenko  spoke some English  as I recall when I was seated near him in the Kiev Opera House in the late 1990s when he was still head of the Central Bank Of Ukraine. His wife was a former  American diplomat.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:39 | 4793848 dsty
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JR, happen to know JR Nyquist?

a good source of what Russian is up to for many years

he has an excellent piece on Ukraine called the Empire of Lies

I don't think Russia will let go so easily



As Soviet strategic literature has always taught, the most important pre-war preparation is the psychological preparation of the populace. In Chapter 7 of Marshal V.D. Sokolovskii’s classic text, Soviet Military Strategy, we read that “victory in war is quite unthinkable without thorough and timely preparation of the country and armed forces.” Sokolovskii’s text further states, “The political preparation of the morale of the people is of decisive importance … since the use of weapons of mass destruction in a war imposes exceptionally high and unprecedented demands on the political morale of the population.” It therefore goes without saying that the population must be taught “love of the motherland.” At the same time, the United States must be blamed for plotting Russia’s destruction. As the text of Soviet Military Strategy explains, “Hatred of the enemy should arouse the desire to destroy the armed forces and military-industrial potential of the aggressor and achieve complete victory in a just war.”

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:42 | 4793971 TheFourthStooge-ing
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JR, happen to know JR Nyquist?

Nyquist is one of those net.kook guys living in selfmade world of insanitation and paranoia of Big Poppa Commie hiding behind every tree.

a good source of what Russian is up to for many years

The guy is stuck in 1977-era comic book fantasy for many years, still afraid of USSR, still thinks Russians under boot heel of Ukrainian Brezhnev, Ukrainian Krushchev, or Georgian Stalin. A good source of entertainment for those amused by nutsery.

he has an excellent piece on Ukraine called the Empire of Lies

Well, well, rather funny indeed. People are free to believe anything. Including there is a Big Poppa Commie out to get them. Does not make it real though. Beliefs are not facts.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:59 | 4794230 dsty
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you gotta be what your name says

Russia on the border, could move anytime

Russia plays the long game, chess vs chechers, as many have shared

he appears to be winning, it is an old strategy, something you refuse to hear, wake up it is coming our way

don't make fun of those who have suffered from the harsh reality of that regime

I am not saying the US is innocent and that we may get what we deserve

either you are a pro Russian plant, or just plan stoogy

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:48 | 4794439 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Propagandists argumentation is growing more pitiful each time.

Actually, it is even no longer propaganda, but fantasy.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:42 | 4793528 lolmao500
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Even funnier, anti-EU parties win in France and Greece (set to win in the UK) and in other countries are second or third.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:54 | 4793624 Obamanism
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Two Guys in a green 70's Chevy Nova:

Vincent Vega " In Europe it is a little different"

Jules Whitfield "Explain"

Vincent "In the UK there is a Politician that said he did not want Romanians living next to him. In France the fascists are led by a woman and In Italy the favorite politician is a comedian"

Jules " Man, that is it  I am defiantly going"

Vincent " You'll Dig it the most"

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:52 | 4793553 lolmao500
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Meanwhile, 1 week left to pay the gas bill or else...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:52 | 4793557 Obamanism
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If I was him I would not drive down Elm Street, in a convertible, by the 6 floor School Book repository, near the grassy Knowles.
( or the Ukrainian equivalent )

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:05 | 4793686 Pure Evil
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Just don't forget to put on the bullet proof bubble top and everything will be hunky-dory.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:54 | 4793561 g'kar
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The moral of the story is more chocolate means less gas.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:04 | 4793566 lolmao500
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NVA party wins in , anti-, anti-immigration... this is gonna be fun to watch the EU parliament....

In Italy too anti-EU parties will hit hard... bet on it.

I love the smell of EUrocrats dreams burning in the morning, smells like...victory

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:03 | 4793583 PaperBear
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Meaning he will bring war to eastern Ukraine.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:00 | 4793678 JR
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RT reports today that “Poroshenko promised that ‘we will have a united and unitary, not federative state' and that he will not recognize the results of the Crimean nor the Donetsk and Lugansk referendums.

“The tycoon stressed that ending the military conflict in eastern Ukraine and stabilizing the situation in the country in general will be the top-priority tasks of his presidential program. Earlier, Poroshenko noted he believes a stable Ukraine is “impossible” without dialogue with Russia. With that, Poroshenko said he will recognize neither the results of the Crimean referendum, in which the vast majority of Crimeans voted for joining Russia, nor the referendums held in several eastern regions, which resulted in the proclaiming of Donetsk and Lugansk as “people’s republics.””

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:46 | 4793736 Tracerfan
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Translation:  Fat boy doesn't care what the people of South & East Ukraine wants.  He is taking orders from Washington.  That means more war and the destruction of Ukraine, just like Syria and Libya.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:07 | 4793590 Confundido
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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:15 | 4793610 Yen Cross
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  porkchop who?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:18 | 4793617 Belrev
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In Ukraine, ballots land in neat stacks of 100 inside ballot boxes.

CNN does NOT call election fraud.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:42 | 4793969 messystateofaffairs
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What a coincidence, so many in the stack must have landed in the Jew who is not really a Jew but is really an oligarch's stack. This makes me even more wary that porkchop is a not so crypto cryptojew positioned to make an end run around the Mexican standoff.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:21 | 4793623 lasvegaspersona
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Since Russia was promised NATO would not expand 'not one inch'...Putin must be wondering  about the definition of 'an inch'. Maybe it was just a problem with metric conversion.

Maybe the USA has double crossed the Ruskies  to keep the MIC alive...what do I know...just a taxpaying onlooker.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:30 | 4793633 Obamanism
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In Italy, Belasconi is confused, He thought the "Choco-King" was living in Washington.

I am bad

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:55 | 4793672 mendolover
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Now shut up and go away bitch.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:58 | 4793674 Canucklehead
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If you're interested in a background on the Ukraine, read this report that GooseShtepping Moron had linked to, back in February

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:01 | 4793677 Peter Pan
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I have read all the comments. And in my mind there is no doubt that no one involved with the mess in the Ukraine has clean hands or clean intentions whether they be Russian, American, Ukranian, European etc.

It seems there are just degrees of "badness" which makes any outcome fragile.

This will continue to smoulder like Fukushima.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:09 | 4793690 falak pema
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Marine Le Pen gets 25% in France ahead of all other parties.

Mamma mia! 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:53 | 4794463 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Marine Le Pen gets 25% in France ahead of all other parties.

Le Penists are blobbing up.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:21 | 4794766 AnAnonymous
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They dont. They benefit from stalwart voters who went voting. Once scaled, they proportionate the same.

The rule of the majority as 'americans' say. No matter how much of a population vote, the majority still is in charge.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:22 | 4793706 sessinpo
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So Ukraine gets a reset and who/what gets into power? Yes, another oligarch. So for those that think a reset changes much, it just changes hands, from one oligarch to another.

And with regard to the CIA, they don't care. They are there to play with whomever is in power. red pill/blue pill, blah blah blah.

It's about government of any party against people.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:28 | 4793713 JR
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Just saying,Last year, Poroshenko’s spokeswoman asked Forbes Israel to remove her boss’ name from a list of the world’s richest Jews, a magazine source confirmed.” – The Jewish Daily Forward, May 23, 2014 

Read more:

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:38 | 4793724 Tracerfan
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Poroshenko is a US puppet who will try put Ukraine in NATO and will order a war of extermination against Ukrainians who do not want to become slaves.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:57 | 4793756 no1wonder
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Looks like Madeleine Albright did a good job in Kiev today, even without Nuland cookies:




Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:56 | 4794479 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wonder if Albright brought some Iraqi children to throw onto the grill. Kievan Yatzis love a good old human barbeque.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:43 | 4793729 tony wilson
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willy wonka must die

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:43 | 4793731 ross81
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funny how Mr.Fat Fuck El Presidente thinks that Banderastan will get its dirty hands on Crimea once again. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:52 | 4793748 teslaberry
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a smart politician always deals in complete contradiction.

"probably not a good idea to join nato and 'wont give up crimea' are total contradictions and make no sense.

the only way poroshenko will get back crimea to ukraine is if he simply gives russia the exact conditions and deals that yanukovich gave. and even then----why should russia give crimea back right away?
he could just say russia will return a 99 year lease on crimea in exchange for renormalization and a full default of ukraine's obligations to the west.

how beautiful would that be for putin. getting ukraine to IMMIDIATELY DEFAULT ON IMF LOANS of 15 billion. what a coup!. making the UMF look like total motherfucking morons would pay HUGE dividends on future diplomatic efforts aimed at producing juntas and coups.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:56 | 4793761 Tracerfan
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Fatboy Poroshenko will keep using Nazi Right Sector and National Guard death squads in the South & East Ukraine because they are the only forces willing to murder their fellow nationals.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:14 | 4793796 no1wonder
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And the boxing guy got his chunk of chocolate too today:

Klitschko winning elections of Kiev mayor — exit polls

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:25 | 4793828 robertocarlos
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They won't give up Crimea. They have elected an idiot. Crimea is gone.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:26 | 4793935 messystateofaffairs
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As a diplomat I would say, you want Crimea, come and get it(sarc). This guy says so many contradictory and nothing statements I would watch out that the Jewish Community is not making a long run around the back end of this Mexican standoff. That said, its time for Putin to play ball with him and see where this game goes. In business it is normal for Jews to help each other while cooperating to lock others out of supply chains. No other culture plays this game nearly as well and forget differing cultures cooperating to defend themselves against the Jews.This situation is made worse when they infect political systems that theoretically are intended to benefit all without favor, but never do. It is much safer to go with someone who has no hint of tribal affiliation.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:39 | 4793850 no1wonder
Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:44 | 4793859 IridiumRebel
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All I know is that i want this shit to stop by everyone. Is that too much to fucking ask? A fucking pox on all who desire global dominance.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:53 | 4793867 tony wilson
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Ukraine Presidential Frontrunner Petro Poroshenko and His Secret Jewish Roots

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:09 | 4793903 Clowns on Acid
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Well I am so happy that Victoria Nuland spent $5 Billio of US taxpayer money to get this fat feckin' Choco oligarch elected. What would the US people do without Victorias and the rest of the embedded AIPAC group?  

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 03:00 | 4794812 napper
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I suspect 5 Billion is a low figure/estimate. We're talking about Neo Con Artists/Assholes here. If the military industrial complex/US govt fleece the US taxpayers hundreds of Billions year after year, 5 Billion for the important Ukrainian theatre doesn't sound right.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:51 | 4793991 AnAnonymous
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As expected, no report about the key data of the elections: neo nazis have no popular support whatsoever.

It worked exactly as 'americans' wanted it to.

They empowered their nazi henchmen and then made them disappear.

By crippling Ukraine by taking out Crimea, the chess player has played the hand wanted by 'americans'

It is now a national concern for Ukrainians to get back what they were stolen of.
No matter the elected president.

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 12:50 | 4797610 napper
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Stolen? Hardly. Crimea never belonged to Ukraine in the first place. It can be argued that Ukraine stole Crimea upon declaring independence. Besides, it has been the overwhelming wish of the people in Crimea (as expressed in referendum) to rejoin Russia.

It's a done deal. Crimea is gone. And more regions will become independent sooner or later.

If Ukraine doesn't kick the IMF and World Bank out, I suspect it will be a matter of time before the Ukrainians get fed up with the government and do another regime change of their own choosing.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:56 | 4794000 AnAnonymous
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An 'american' election requires several candidates to give that 'american' profile.

That woman simply served to make the number. 'Americans' do not work that way in elected governed countries.

What matters the most for 'americans' is to impose the political issues domestic politicians are forced to deal with.

Also,as reported weeks ago, 'americans' did not expect Ukraine to join NATO. What they wanted is to implant a trojan horse that would play both sides.

Ukraine seems to have taken that road.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:58 | 4794002 Urban Roman
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I just keep wondering what the long term relationship will be between right-sector nazis and their zio counterparts ... historically that has been like mixing vitriol and water.

Will they cooperate to exterminate their orthodox countrymen, or will they devolve into fighting each other?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:13 | 4794034 user2011
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Since he is not someone hand picked by USSA,  I figure he will be assassined or a coup will overturn him.   And shit will be blamed on Putin/Russia

The process will continue until someone assigned by USSA "won" the election.

Sad.. but this is the only way USSA survive with 17 Trillions debt.  All human on earth must use usd... 

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 03:05 | 4794786 napper
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US / CIA's bag of tricks for removing obstacles is quite rich: Assassination, coup, "car accident", "boat accident", "plane accident", sudden development of cancer or other terminal illness (like former popular anti-US president Hugo Chavez of Venezuela), sudden heart attack, sudden stroke, "apparent suicide" (lots of them under Bill Clinton and GW Bush), sudden "scandal" of some sort (via fabrication or entrapment), massive funding for extremists to cause social unrest in Ukraine, pressuring NATO and EU  countries to adopt sanctions and uncooperative/hostile policies toward Ukraine's attempts to improve the economy, stirring up conflicts with neighboring countries, false flag terrorist operations (like 9/11), ... etc etc (the list is long, and I'm sure many of the creative plots are beyond my knowledge and ability to decypher, or even imagine). More often than not, a combination of all feasible responses will be used to achieve their goal.


It will be fun to watch how the Ukrainian theatre changes in the coming months.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 04:45 | 4794863 Victor999
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Let me get this straight....if he is one of our guys, he is a tycoon, prospering from his own wits and business savvy....if he is one of their guys, he is a corrupt oligarch.....right?


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