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Memorial Day And The Meaning Of Freedom

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Submitted by Jeff Deist via the MisesEconomicBlog,

Memorial Day provides the political class countless opportunities to ruin an otherwise thoroughly enjoyable holiday weekend.  Like clockwork, local congressmen, mayors, city council members, et al. materialize at parades, picnics, and churches to give speeches about “freedom.”

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But what does freedom really mean?

Just as we should repudiate Junk English in economics, we should demand precision when it comes to the language of political posturing! In other words, we should insist that politicians use defined terms (I’m not holding my breath).

In essence, freedom is the absence of state coercion. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less.

Dr. Ron Paul explains this coercive reality behind those invoking freedom while advocating state action:

Few Americans understand that all government action is inherently coercive. If nothing else, government action requires taxes. If taxes were freely paid, they wouldn’t be called taxes, they’d be called donations. If we intend to use the word freedom in an honest way, we should have the simple integrity to give it real meaning: Freedom is living without government coercion. So when a politician talks about freedom for this group or that, ask yourself whether he is advocating more government action or less.

Taking this definition a step further, Hans-Hermann Hoppe describes a free society as the absence of aggression against one’s body and property:

A society is free, if every person is recognized as the exclusive owner of his own (scarce) physical body, if everyone is free to appropriate or “homestead” previously un-owned things as private property, if everyone is free to use his body and his homesteaded goods to produce whatever he wants to produce (without thereby damaging the physical integrity of other peoples’ property), and if everyone is free to contract with others regarding their respective properties in any way deemed mutually beneficial. Any interference with this constitutes an act of aggression, and a society is un-free to the extent of such aggressions.

In The Ethics of Liberty, Murray Rothbard similarly defined freedom as the “absence of invasion by another man of any man’s person or property” (italics in original).

This encapsulates the critical libertarian concept of negative liberty, as opposed to the view of positive liberty in the form of mastery over one’s person and surroundings generally favored by “progressives.”

This definition of freedom is fundamental.  It means free people should be able to use their minds, bodies, and talents to advance their well-being (whether material, intellectual, or spiritual) as they see fit.  It does not mean they can demand freedom from material want, or scarcity, or illness, or unhappiness, or unpleasantness generally.  It does not mean anyone owes them housing, medical care, food, or a “living wage.” It means, in sum, the freedom to be left alone.  And this is precisely what the political class of all stripes cannot abide.

 

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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:07 | 4794018 kill switch
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Freedom in Amerika??? You must be jesting....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:14 | 4794036 Dr. Destructo
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Fraedom isn't free

No there's a hefty fuhkin fae

And if you don't throw in your buck'o five who will?

But seriously I'll have you know that 'Murica is the #1 exporter of "freedom" in the world. Just imagine if all that "freedom" we export came down on U.S. citizens? We invade so that we keep aggression over there instead of experiencing it here.

...BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:40 | 4794080 Raymond K Hessel
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I define freedom as permission from the authority to act without consequences.  Such as "The seat belt sign is off.  You're free to move around the cabin until such time as the captain turns the seat belt sign back on."  That's freedom.

Liberty is a characteristic of being a human being.  We do not owe allegiance or obedience.  These are coerced upon us in exchange for safety and enumerated freedoms.  To live in liberty is to live the life of an outlaw (someone who rejects protection from the law, not a criminal).  Mountain men.  Bikers.  etc

I know it's a subtle difference but that's how we lost our liberty.  A little bit over a long period of time.  We barely noticed it.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:15 | 4794158 OC Sure
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"Man is free, we say, who exists for his own sake and not for another"

- Aristotle

 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:27 | 4794186 mt paul
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man is only as free

as that which he can

walk away from ..

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:31 | 4794192 duo
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They hate us for our freedoms, so if O takes away all of our freedoms, will they love us then?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:04 | 4794361 FEDbuster
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Tempted to "cut and paste" the whole article, but it is a little long.  Well worth the read on Memorial Day (for all that have died at the hands of tyrants)

What I Have Learned From the Twentieth Century, by Mike Vanderboegh

With thanks to Schoolmasters Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot

From the Liberty Pole
June, 1999
by Mike Vanderboegh

As an amateur historian of this sad century whose time is almost up, I would like to reflect upon six lessons I have learned in my studies. Folks who wish to live free and prosperous in the next century would do well to understand the failures of the past.

LESSON NO. 1: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and take you someplace you do not want to go because of who you are or what you think -- kill him. If you can, kill the politician who sent him. You will likely die anyway, and you will be saving someone else the same fate. For it is a universal truth that the intended victims always far outnumber the tyrant's executioners. Any nation which practices this lesson will quickly run out of executioners and tyrants, or they will run out of it.

   For more check out the other 5 lessons:

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/vanderboegh-classic-w...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:53 | 4794458 Raymond K Hessel
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Maybe the Tylers could be persuaded to post it....

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 03:27 | 4794828 Falling Down
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Sipsey is one of my favorite blogs.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:05 | 4794364 Falconsixone
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When the $ fails and the warriors are out of a job the world will see what slaughter is and may wish the american thugs were still around with some sense of decent authority. Communism works alright, just ask stalin and mao. The leaders/owners/ceo's that think they're above it (or will be below it) will see what it really means. I hope tv is still working for corporate bludgeon tuesday, royals roast friday, government gutting saturday and moreskin monday.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 03:37 | 4794834 All Risk No Reward
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O is a punk front man that will be gone in a couple years.

The "power of money" that is "gravely to be regarded" will "persist."

Read Eisenhower's Fairwell Speech.

Then read Smedley Butler's War is a Racket.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:38 | 4794417 TheRideNeverEnds
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I thought we did that to defend Israel.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:57 | 4794481 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Unfortunaly, the freedom most people want is the freedom from consequences of their actions. From people who make poor choices in life like not graduating high school or having a bunch of kids before they can support them, and expecting others to provide them with free shit, to bankers wanting a bailout when their schemes and fruad collapse.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 09:33 | 4795175 The Wizard
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Freedom's just another word, for nothin' left to lose. Since freedom is represented by the absence of cost, where does it truly exist? War and most all governments are built on theft of labor, fear and illusions. The less fear one has, the more freedom they possess. The truth will set us free, just ask Bobby McGee.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:10 | 4794028 AnAnonymous
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As freedom is the absence of state coercion, it means that societies that lived without a State were free.

The Indians were free. Who could have thought that when they had to endure freedom being taught by 'americans'?

And since their state less societies were free, it also means that the north american continent was free.

'Americans' introducing freedom in a free continent? By pushing forward a state based society?
How comes?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:16 | 4794040 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

'Americans' introducing freedom in a free continent? By pushing forward a state based society?
How comes?

Because the nature of US citizenism is eternal, since 1776, July, 4th.

Am I right or amirite?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:25 | 4794062 nmewn
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Don't bother him with the details, he still thinks the Armenians had an unfair advantage when they invaded because their SUV's spooked the indians horses ;-)

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:02 | 4794752 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' making up things as they go.

Funny how there is no discontinuity between an 'american' elite and its base. They all display the same behaviour.

The homogenous level reached by 'american' societies is daunting. Does not mean 'americans' do not call for even more homogeneity, they want more of it.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:24 | 4794768 NidStyles
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You didn't know? That is how Fascism works. First it encapsulates the youth. Then it inundates them into not caring about anything except for aggressive physcial activites, plus Merican Tradition and some good ole' rifle shooting. Once they are motivated create a target for them and let them lose until the population is within a more reasonable level and steal all of the new technology that spurred up at the end of the war. Of course the war will be blamed on some proxy and be invaded likely on some odd pretense or terrorist attack thanks to pesting other nations to no end. 

If that fails, then just try to see if you can build an empire with it instead. Hope someone else doesn't get that idea, like Putin because then you might have to actually work for your empire. At first you have to catch up with who the real threat in the world is, and what would Russia gain from the US being weakened in a long war with Iraq? I can't imagine what must be going those people's heads that put Obama in this position. Either they are completely incompetent, or they are playing some higher level political chess

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:16 | 4794763 NidStyles
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The guy is funny, I will give him that. 

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:00 | 4794748 AnAnonymous
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Wrong once again.

The 'american' nature is eternal.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 04:57 | 4794870 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Wrong once again.

The 'american' nature is eternal.

You are a harsh grader, Professor AnAnon. Don't I even get partial credit for getting the date correct?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:19 | 4794048 Dr. Destructo
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'Americans' introducing freedom in a free continent? By pushing forward a state based society?
How comes?

*Raises hand* OOH OOH I KNOW THIS ONE!

It's because oligarchs had dreams of hegemony then as we do now and freedom only applies to the oligarchs fucking us over? 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:03 | 4794359 Chupacabra-322
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Freedom in Amerika, simple:

Torture
Illegal Wire tapping of Americans
Criminal UNITED STATES CORP. INC. Fraud
Illegal wars of Aggresion
Criminal CIA / State Dept. arming, funding & training of terror organizations
Criminal CIA drug running & $ laundering through the TBTFBanksters
Criminal Obamacare
Bengazi
Lybia
Syria
Ukraine over throw of Soverign countries
False Flags of 911, Sandy Hook, Boston Bombimg
Criminal IRS attack of political dissent

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:51 | 4794106 Yen Cross
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   As the peasants "self immolate" In Viet Nam AnAnonaclown? You reek of of Roadside Chinism hypocritism ...

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:06 | 4794758 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' and their passion for the group.

Indian societies were state less societies (one remembers that 'americans' depicted that absence of state as an evidence of Indians belonging to an inferior race) therefore by the definition given by this article (the 'american' propagandist author insists that precise vocabulary must be used), indian societies were free. No state, no state coercion.

The land of the free, so 'americans' say...

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:10 | 4794761 AnAnonymous
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It takes an 'american' to introduce Vietnam with no fear.

The mecca of 'americanism' on Earth, the US, occupied Vietnam. France, another nation run by 'american' principles, also occupied Vietnam.

This provides tons of examples of 'american' behaviours.

It takes an 'american' to think that self immolation of peasants can match the 'american' achievements during those two periods of occupation.

Fantasy appeals as always as much to 'americans'.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:16 | 4794041 hangemhigh77
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If any of these treasonous politicians show their face do the right thing and FUCKING LYNCH THEM!!!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:18 | 4794047 Soul Glow
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I'd rather let them live and kick dirt in their face when their House of Cards crumbles.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:17 | 4794044 Soul Glow
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Freedom in America is an oxymoron.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:19 | 4794052 Kirk2NCC1701
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'Merica:  Where we have the false choice of a two-party system, the Two Card Monte.

We're #1!  We're #1!  We're #1! 

Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
End up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up

Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.

Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man

Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man said "son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "son, don't you understand"

I had a brother at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone

He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go

Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:49 | 4794102 Emergency Ward
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The Boss joined the celebrity pro-war Obama team.....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:38 | 4794203 nmewn
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lol...yeah...but he made his millions.

Its like, its ok cuz, like, he made millions this way but not that way. And besides, he's not a razzzist teabagger babbling about "yellow man"...and and and like...shut up or sumpin ;-)

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:06 | 4794144 Remington IV
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Springsteen = sellout

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:22 | 4794059 user2011
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Many decades ago,  US means/stands for freedom.   It is no longer true.   

Today, 46 millions of US citizens are strugging with basic survival. ( food stamps )

Cities are bankrupted, while our fed is loaning money to countries thousands of miles away.  We are paying mercenaries to fight other people's war.  

Our federal government spent billions or dollars to spy on the citizens of this country, while watching students struggle with schools and the loans going to schools.    

For all the servicemen who sacraficed their lives for the independance and the freedom of people,  I think they are turning in their graves now.   The government now is becoming an enemy of the people. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:26 | 4794064 Reaper
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Give me freedom from their control, their pontificating, their America is chosen by God or destiny nonsense, and their corrupt courts. How many who died, wanted this government, they enabled? How many who died wanted to die for the result of Obama as our imperial President? They died to take our freedom and give to our present leaders?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:32 | 4794075 Soul Glow
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Freedon costs a buck o'nine.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:38 | 4794083 Raymond K Hessel
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Used to be tree fitty.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:35 | 4794081 Falconsixone
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When did the military industrial complex/zionists  change memorial day in to veterans day 2.0? It didn't used to be about those that where used and abused until dead by the master war makers. It was about "Your deceased friends and relitives". Remember that?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:49 | 4794088 huggy_in_london
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Freedom costs a buck o'five....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8BgQzyktE

 

I never tire of that classic

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:45 | 4794194 Son of Captain Nemo
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bb,

Ditto.

Freedom and democracy for everyone in this abundant land of opportunity for those that weren't born a "white European descendent" -especially in 1864.

And just an additional footnote to your's in our history that we were never taught in our public school education.  From the man who sits proudly in a chair made of white marble in our Nation's Capital who ordered a similar massacre two years earlier during westward expansion that deprived the "indigenous ones" of food and land and committed mass murder on a scale unequalled in the anals of public execution at that time. 

The crimes they committed?...  Defending themselves and their land attempting to find food for their families!

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/hanging.html

P.S.

Whoever down arrowed you can only come from one of three places!

 

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 09:56 | 4795228 headhunt
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Governments, kings, rulers, gods, conquerors, tribes, gangs, call them what you will, have all conducted atrocities since the beginning of the human race. Some more recently than others but we all are descendants from this lineage. No one walks this earth without this blood on their ancestral hands.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:52 | 4794108 Cabreado
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"This definition of freedom is fundamental."

Watch out... there is Entitlement coming from both directions, a very different flavor at the top and bottom, but Entitlement it is.

The emphasis must be on Control.

The concept of "freedom" is incomprehensible to those pathologically driven to Control.

And that naturally is where the greatest threat to the framework and foundation exists.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 20:36 | 4794298 Cathartes Aura
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"The emphasis must be on Control."

couldn't agree more.

as to Dr. Paul's words,

If we intend to use the word freedom in an honest way, we should have the simple integrity to give it real meaning: Freedom is living without government coercion. So when a politician talks about freedom for this group or that, ask yourself whether he is advocating more government action or less.

not sure how he squares those fine thoughts with his keeping the volley-ball in motion for years, a politician on behalf of his Party, now volley'd to his dear Son to carry on the Party tradition. . .

Constitutional Amendments proposed to remove female body sovereignty?  smells like "advocating for MORE government action" to me.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe says,

A society is free, if every person is recognized as the exclusive owner of his own (scarce) physical body,

 

works for me.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:53 | 4794110 Son of Captain Nemo
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Treason in action on the floor of the Senate folks!  

Listen very carefully at the recommendations being made from the Senator from Arizona after the unlawful visit with contributions that he made on behalf of a government that was unelected...

Where oh where are the American people outside the U.S. Capitol seeing ever more crimes being blatantly committed in their names????

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c25_1401024270

 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:54 | 4794113 nah
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when 8 billion people decide a great society is not a free lunch program that goes back 8 billion years

.

we will be free

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:56 | 4794120 Fix It Again Timmy
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Patriotism is an insidious disease....And yes, I am a veteran - a combat medic with the 1st and 25th Infantry Divisions in Vietnam.  And yes, "dying for your country" is a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [stop it, you're killing me!] - fucking JOKE!!!!!!!  Now this comes with a disclaimer - applies only to bullshit wars [Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.], not those where the enemy is in YOUR neighborhood...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:34 | 4794199 janus
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i will only say that it's high-time the principal were inverted: no more Americans dying for amorica; amorica should now die to save Americans -- the simple necessity of sacrifice will always live, and its basic demand is death.

yes, janus WILL ask what his country can do for him (actually, it's more of a demand), and, uncle sam, it is a simple and absolute request.  we're all asking that you die, amorica...just expire already.  look at it this way, uncle sam, your death will initiate the biggest global soree this world has ever seen.  janus will bring the matches...see y'all there.

http://www.wat.tv/video/prince-1999-382gh_2hztv_.html

two thousand Zero-Zero/

party's over/

we're outta time,

janus (he's ready to roll)

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:08 | 4794146 jack stephan
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I don't know we're you lowlifes are at, but one of the ranges I frequent guys are handing out Obama targets. The funny part is that it's the same photo zh uses. The indifferent duh smoking photo. Guys are getting comical, and well yes ....pretty heated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2c2aa_GMVA&sns=em

Oh and bitxhes

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:09 | 4794149 BOPOH
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Freedom is security.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 09:46 | 4795210 headhunt
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A lot of chains in 'security' ask the NSA, TSA, EPA, CIA, FBI, IRS....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:11 | 4794151 A Lunatic
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Freedom is just another word for ipod........

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:13 | 4794155 Smegley Wanxalot
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We must be free because John McCain tweeted that we are.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:19 | 4794388 Harbanger
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Ol man neobag don't even know how to tweet.  His messages are all pre-approved by his baby mama's daughter Megan.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:19 | 4794165 NewAmericaNow
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Remember Memorial Day and The Pawns of War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ljvhNV_3zc

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:19 | 4794166 NewAmericaNow
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Remember Memorial Day and The Pawns of War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ljvhNV_3zc

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:20 | 4794169 q99x2
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I have to do my homework. You call that free?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:21 | 4794174 deerhunter
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I buried my father in law two Octobers ago at Andersonville.  He was a decorated veteran of the Korean War.  Lost over 20 men in a Chinese ambush.  He served all over the world.  He had a full honors military funeral.  He would be rolling over in his grave at what this country has become.  RIP Mac.  I sure love your daughter.  I pray the sun shines on your face.  A toast my departed friend,,,,,,,,,

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:45 | 4794209 janus
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indeed, cheers to MAC. 

here's a sip of sam adams boston lager in tribute...solemly. 

in spite of my recent issues, i've returned again to the basic facts: there are far too many Good Americans now living and since past for janus to turn his back on this great and blessed land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1my1jn6QHzE

maybe, just maybe, i should do a california adventure instead of a latin american or european adventure next. 

as i went walking/

that ribbon of highway/

and i saw above me that endless skyway/

i saw below me that Golden Valley/

this land was made for you & me,

janus

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:40 | 4794421 Falconsixone
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This country was destroyed 2 1/2 years ago. Was he in a coma for the past decade or two or did you just catch on a few days ago?

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 03:17 | 4794825 Dr. Destructo
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This country was destroyed in less than a century after it was founded, it's just the American mythology did a good job at hiding the cracks in the foundation. The constitution exists in the minds of politicians past and present as something to cite for convenience and something to tuck away whenever it's inconvenient. Today is different because now the present-day politicians are doing away with it altogether and making up draconian laws as they go.

There was never a good time in America, and it's all been going downhill from the get-go. Our constitution won't protect our rights -it's just a piece of paper. However what will protect our rights are our willingness to defy the status quo and coming together in the spirit of cooperation against a government that refuses to cooperate. We don't need a piece of paper to grant us our freedoms.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:21 | 4794176 buzzsaw99
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if you have oil we are gonna free the shit out of you

usa bitchez

freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose... [/janis]

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:27 | 4794184 Omegaman2211
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So long as government exists, freedom shall not.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:12 | 4794377 FreedomGuy
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Nice post, Omega. I think that is the flip side of talking about freedom. I have modified my views over the years from traditional conservative to libertarian. Somehow I think I will end up full anarchist at some point and I read, observe and think it through. I used to be an optimist and now, I have moved to pessimist, at least in terms of where the USSA is going.

I suggest that our "freedoms" are actually virtually gone. There is not a thing you can do in America without a government document. It may be a license, certificate, registration, tax reciept, park pass, or filing of some sort but you cannot trade, drive, fish, build, set up a lemonade stand or even protest something without government permission, taxes and limitations. Someone called it "The Permission Society" and I think they nailed it.

I think if you took all these government documents and your IRS tax form to an American or colonist in 1676, 1776, 1876 or even 1945 they would be horrified and start hanging collectivists and progressives from trees. They might write a Constitution to prevent this sort of thing, too.

My point, I sort of lost track of was to say that the next evolution of society will be to question the need for government and rulers at all. Maybe we can become K-Pax.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:29 | 4794189 Omegaman2211
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To all post World War veterans: No thank you for your service.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 16:22 | 4796337 Dr. Destructo
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Cute that you believe that the wars after the world wars were "noble".

The lie existed then as it does today, and all of us, pre and post world war, believed the lie that we fought for freedom. But I understand your position -Hollywood and false historians do a good job at making conflicts for greed into noble pursuits.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:32 | 4794197 mt paul
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freedumb.....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 20:27 | 4794275 reTARD
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Because for the herd, waving the flag of the country they are enslaved to gives them the illusion that they are free.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 20:30 | 4794283 kchrisc
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"In essence, freedom is the absence of state coercion. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less."

And Liberty is the opposite of obedience.

"The question arises, 'What is slavery?' The answer comes in understanding that slavery is initiated with force, violence, but only becomes slavery with acquiescence to that force. Therefore slavery is not defined by force, but obedience. To not obey or acknowledge their violence is to have Liberty. Liberty is the opposite of obedience and is maintained with 'no'. "

An American citizen, not DC US subject.

 

"My guillotine is a volunteer."

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:14 | 4794386 FreedomGuy
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It stikes me at times that only criminals and those who give the system the finger are actually free. There are consequences, unfortunately.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:16 | 4794764 AnAnonymous
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Therefore slavery is not defined by force, but obedience.
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A deep 'american' thought. No one can be a slave until they have admitted they are slaves.
Slaves can be free people waiting for their emancipation.

In the same vein, you are not raped until you admit you are raped (might be useful in 'american' prisons)

And the best, you cant be dead until you admit you are dead. The 'american' way to repel death. One shall think of it: you are not dead until you obey to it.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 20:34 | 4794290 BeetleBailey
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TO ALL AMERICAN SERVICEMEN SERVING NOW, AND IN THE PAST.

<SALUTING>

Private Bailey

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:01 | 4794337 kurt
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Garsh, The Summer Grilling Season and the Summer Driving Season came at the same time this year. How shall I emote to the stimuli?

I know! I won't grill and I won't drive. I'll sit in my upside down house supressing all those bad thoughts about how my government is failing me. When it gets too bad, I'll watch a cop show. They never leave a fallen comrad behind, "their own." When I watch, I feel like they are one of my own, their own. The music often tells me how to feel.

When my mind goes to dark thoughts like the vets being left behind, to die, by "their own" healthcare system, on this Memorial Day, it strikes me, what's the difference between that and dying on the battlefield, alone?

To supress these and other feelings I get good and drunk. You can start early on Memorial Day because IT HELPS YOU TO FORGET.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 22:41 | 4794525 Griffin
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I think that what people generally want is the freedom to live a decent life in a normal society without constantly having to worry about the future.

A normal political system that serves the public, not just special interests.  A fair justice system and a financial system that isn't full of scams and where incompetence and dishonesty is rewarded.

I would say that it is not to much to ask.

The way things are now, lots of people see politicians as liars and bankers as thieves. So one could argue that the system is not what it was supposed to be.

One could say that the world has been turned upside down, where those who least deserve it are given a position of trust. Only to misuse it and abuse it.

I suppose this is to some extent our own fault, maybe we see the same mistakes over and over because of a lack of a better plan, and that plan is unlikely to come from those who benefit from the current system.

Maybe it could be a good idea to start by trying to make ourselves better people, if you are going to build something to last its usually smart to start at the base and work yourself up from there.

I sometimes focus on silly and trivial things and forget to appreciate all the good things around me.

A model society is made of those good things, not the scams and lies that infect the ones we currently have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 23:47 | 4794632 My Days Are Get...
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When I was one of the officers in charge of the Fort Dix Stockade in 1967-68, there was was a huge sign hung by the Major running the place over the entrance.  The sign read:

"Obedience to the Law is Freedom"

See:

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/22/1233025/-Obedience-to-the-law-is-freedom#

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 06:30 | 4794930 muleskinner
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Memorial Day is on May 30.  I'll wait until then to celebrate the holiday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lolWthmmxM

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 06:47 | 4794945 vyeung
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Fascist/Nazi day more like. US of A after the coup d'etat is no more American than Japan is a colony of the US.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 08:29 | 4795071 AdvancingTime
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The catalyst for war has not been diminished as many people have hoped it would once the world matured. National pride, political agendas, religious and ethnic hatreds are some of the biggest roadblocks to world peace. Often we seem to forget as we look back to World War II and past a dozen "lesser Conflicts" that peace has been the exception rather then the rule for hundreds and thousands of years.

Freedom means not having to live in fear. The true reality is that across the world few mothers want to see their children killed and most farmers want to be left along to raise their crops and earn a living. More on the subject of war as a solution to conflict in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/war-and-what-is-it-good-for.html

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 09:43 | 4795203 headhunt
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Freedom is the ability to do what you want, when you want, without harming any other person.

The definition of 'harm' does not include any portion of 'for the greater good'

 

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