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The Solution To Record Meat Prices: The Return Of Pink Slime

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A few months ago we reported that while the Fed is seeing nothing but hedonic deflation as far as the eye can see, food prices - for whatever reason but "certainly not" due to trillions in liquidity entering a close system so just blame it on the weather - were soaring to record highs. Among them was the price of beef, which in 2014 alone has soared by the most in over a decade. This led the US Department of Agriculture to warn of "sticker shock" facing home chefs on the eve of the Memorial Day holiday weekend, the unofficial start of the U.S. summer grilling season.

According to the USDA, reported by Reuters, conditions in California could have "large and lasting effects on U.S. fruit, vegetable, dairy and egg prices," as the most populous U.S. state struggles through what officials are calling a catastrophic drought. Alas, the USDA had nothing to say about the Fed's unprecedented desire to reflate the US economy which is still suffering from the catastrophic depression which started nearly 7 years ago.


The consumer price index (CPI) for U.S. beef and veal is up almost 10 percent so far in 2014, reflecting the fastest increase in retail beef prices since the end of 2003. Prices, even after adjusting for inflation, are at record highs.


"The drought in Texas and Oklahoma has worsened somewhat in the last month, providing further complications to the beef production industry," USDA said.


Beef and veal prices for the whole of 2014 are now forecast to increase by 5.5 percent to 6.5 percent, a sharp advance from last month's forecast for a 3 to 4 percent rise. Pork prices are set to rise by 3 percent to 4 percent, up from a 2 to 3 percent advance expected a month ago.


The USDA said overall U.S. food price inflation for 2014, including food bought at grocery stores and food bought at restaurants, would rise by 2.5 percent to 3.5 percent in 2014.


That is up from 2013, when retail food prices were almost flat, but in line with historical norms and unchanged from April's forecast.


"The food-at-home CPI has already increased more in the first four months of 2014 then it did in all of 2013," USDA noted. At-home spending accounts for about 60 percent of the U.S. food CPI.

Ok we get it: soaring food prices are not only already here but are set to surge even more, especially for those who rather eat real meat than mystery meat dispensed with largesse at your favorite $0.99 fast food outlet.

So what are food processors to do facing soaring meat input costs and unwilling to suffer bottom line hits? Why, return to that old staple of unknown origin of course.

Here comes Pink Slime... again.

According to the WSJ, "finely textured beef, dubbed "pink slime" by critics, is mounting a comeback as retailers seek cheaper trimmings to include in hamburger meat and processors find new products to put it in."

Proving that popular memory lasts at best a couple of years, it was only in 2012 when sales of pink slime, processed from beef scraps left after cattle are butchered, collapsed in 2012 after a "social-media frenzy spurred by television reports raising questions about its legitimacy as a beef product. The ingredient's two largest producers, Beef Products Inc. and Cargill Inc., closed plants that made it and cut hundreds of jobs—while defending the product's quality and pointing out that the U.S. Department of Agriculture deems it safe."

What really allowed the scrapping of pink slime, however, was the broad decline in prices of non-alternative meat, as in the real deal. However, now that meat prices are soaring again (all weather mind you, nothing to do with the Fed), it is time for US consumers to eat "hedonically-cheap" "meat" once again.

From the WSJ:

Today, Cargill sells finely textured beef to about 400 retail, food-service and food-processing customers, more than before the 2012 controversy, though overall they now buy smaller amounts, company officials said. Production of finely textured beef at Beef Products has doubled from its low point.


The resurgence is being driven, in part, by an aversion to something many consumers and companies find even less pleasant than the pink-slime nickname: red-hot prices. Prolonged drought in the southern Great Plains has shrunk U.S. cattle supplies to historic lows. The retail price of ground beef soared 27% in the two years through April to a record $3.808 a pound, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.


That means serious sticker shock for U.S. consumers preparing to fire up their barbecues for Memorial Day weekend—the traditional start to the summer grilling season. The week leading up to the Monday holiday is typically one of the biggest sales periods for ground beef, with an estimated 160 million pounds likely to be sold during that stretch this year, according to CattleFax, a Colorado-based research firm.


How much of that burger meat contains finely textured beef isn't clear. Prior to the flurry of media attention in 2012, Beef Products estimates, the ingredient was in as much as 70% of the ground beef sold in the U.S. at retail and in food service. Cargill and Beef Products decline to give a similar estimate now, but they say sales have rebounded sharply from their 2012 lows.

So... 100%? But at least the Fed will soon be able to claim that "food" (or byproducts rather, but who cares) prices are plunging, even as it itself announced that food prices in its cafeteria have soared by up to 33% as Zero Hedge reported yesterday.

Meanwhile, it's a feeding frenzy, pardon the pun, out there by those who know too well that Americans don't really care what they shove in their mouths as long as it i) tastes kinda meaty and ii) is cheap.

"Two years ago, no one would return our calls," said Jeremy Jacobsen, spokesman for BPI, which closed three of its four plants in operation in 2012. "Now some of those same people are calling us unsolicited, and we don't have the sales staff to maintain the new business."

Finally for those who may have forgotten the prehistory of Pink Slime, here it is again. First, a look at how it is made.

And its recent turbulent history.

The ingredient began attracting wider attention last decade. A 2009 New York Times article cited a 2002 email by a USDA microbiologist who called the product "pink slime." TV chef Jamie Oliver used the epithet in an on-air critique in 2011. After ABC News reports in 2012 scrutinized the product, a public backlash ensued, spread through social media. That prompted several supermarket chains, including Kroger Co. and Supervalu Inc. to drop the beef additive from their meat cases. Neither Kroger nor Supervalu sell the product today.


Critics were partly repulsed by images of the product—some of which the industry says were false—and by the idea of using chemical treatments such as ammonia gas on food products. Supporters of finely textured beef pointed out that many foods contain similar traces of ammonia naturally. BPI says it uses a form of the chemical called ammonium hydroxide. That compound falls under the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's "generally recognized as safe" category, which means they are safe when used as intended.


Officials including Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack defended the product's safety. But its sales fell so sharply that they effectively reduced total U.S. beef supplies by 2% in 2012, according to agricultural lender Rabobank.


BPI, based in Dakota Dunes, S.D., said it lost contracts with 72 customers, many over the course of one weekend in March 2012, forcing its production to slide below one million pounds a week at their nadir that year. Customers were "dropping like flies," said Mr. Jacobsen, the BPI spokesman.


BPI in 2012 sued ABC and several other defendants for defamation in South Dakota Circuit Court, seeking at least $1.2 billion in damages. The state's Supreme Court on Thursday affirmed a decision by a lower court to let the case proceed, denying an appeal by ABC. The case hasn't gone to trial. Jeffrey Schneider, a spokesman for ABC, said the news organization continues to vigorously contest the charges.


At Cargill, about 80% of sales of the product evaporated "overnight" in 2012, said John Keating, president of Cargill Beef. The company ceased production at a plant in Vernon, Calif., in 2012, laying off about 50 workers. Mr. Keating said the lost business also contributed to Cargill's decision last year to idle a beef-processing plant in Plainview, Texas, where about 2,000 people were laid off. At other plants, production slowed.


Cargill's meat processors and chefs have been working with its customers to find new uses, such as frozen meatloaf and sausages, though 90% to 95% continues to go into ground beef, Mr. Keating said. Earlier this year Cargill, based in suburban Minneapolis, began to label boxes and packages of ground beef containing the product. Mr. Keating said the labels haven't much affected Cargill's ground-beef sales.


"It's a product we're working very hard to reintroduce," Mr. Keating said.

And a product which the Fed will be delighted when it is reintroduced because remember: it is all about hedonics. And there is nothing in the Fed rulebook that says replacing meat with "meat" if only to keep prices lower, is a bad thing. As long as the Fed academics running the centrally-planned economy get to keep eating the real thing of course.


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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:35 | 4793119 epobirs
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I bet some of the same people horrified by this will also speak glowingly of how "Native American used every part of the buffalo and let nothing go to waste."

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:43 | 4793147 Dr Benway
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Or have cookbooks from celebrity chefs preaching snout-to-tail cooking

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:53 | 4793172 BlindMonkey
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Do those celebrity chefs give their nose-to-tail a good shot of ammonia gas when they are getting their Eco-groove on? Probably not.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:06 | 4793202 NotApplicable
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Just wait until they mold that shit around a plastic T-bone.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:10 | 4793207 hedgeless_horseman
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Meanwhile, it's a feeding frenzy, pardon the pun, out there by those who
know too well that Americans don't really care what they shove in their
mouths as long as it i) tastes kinda meaty and ii) is cheap.

We don't eat pink slime, but I sure do like purple mess.  After coming in
from the barn this morning, I found a homemade blackberry crumble in the
oven that Mrs. Horseman had just made.  I paired it with a cold glass of
fresh raw milk from our family cow that I just milked, and I am enjoying it
as I write this.  I love blackberry season!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:18 | 4793225 NotApplicable
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Ours are in full-bloom right now. Just need a couple more rains to ensure they don't dry out. Rasberries are just starting to bloom.

Of course, I'm supposed to be out working on the rest of the garden right now. Just yesterday I discovered a self-seeded patch of bib lettuce hiding in the weeds downhill from my hoop house.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:32 | 4793266 RafterManFMJ
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Planted 9 blueberry bushes at the house and 5 more at the rental property.

Gave 3 away.

I'll have more blueberries than I can handle...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:37 | 4793276 strannick
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"Meat and meat alternatives"

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:52 | 4793554 mjcOH1
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"Just wait until they mold that shit around a plastic T-bon"


Why plastic?   You can reuse the real deal.   Gamma-source the bone, 3D print on a little pink slime, and it's all good.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:09 | 4793689 TBT or not TBT
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The Fed could combat the rising price of the real thing..cow muscle, by printing up some fucking RAIN. Cattle are raised on grass most of their lives, pre-feedlot, and with the multi year drought across big swaths of cattle country, there is less supply of grass, ergo less supply of cattle. I know "markets" are kinda laughable in other areas, but here there is a physical production, real things being shifted through a real production system. Whose capacity is down. Supply, meet Demand. Mr Price will help you two out.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:40 | 4793725 negative rates
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Check your seasonal gas mileage, i'm getting 100 miles more per tank now that the butane has been removed, only paying 20 cents a gal more too.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:25 | 4793808 James_Cole
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I like how rather than eat less meat people would instead opt to eat ammonium drenched meat-like paste. If you can't afford to eat real meat at every meal, try some vegetables instead. Your body will thank you.

Or fuck it, what am I talking about, long ammonium hydroxide! Soylent green next.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:19 | 4793922 Headbanger
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Gut rattle snake?

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 16:34 | 4799511 mkkby
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Long endoscopes, gut surgury and cancer treatments.  Sheeple love their ammonia meat paste.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:17 | 4794046 I_rikey_lice
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"If you can't afford to eat real meat at every meal, try some vegetables instead"


Yeah because vegetables are really fucking cheap aren't they. Maybe people should just eat edible weeds that grow along the sides of the highway.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:05 | 4794142 Headbanger
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Or fucking road kill dude.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:10 | 4794372 kareninca
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Actually veggies are still pretty cheap, at least here in California.  Unfortunately they are still cheap because they are from Mexico.  So they are coated with weird plastics, to keep them looking nice for a loooonnnnggg time.  Yum, plastic.  Not to mention the other downsides of Mexican-grown produce.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:46 | 4794788 COSMOS
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Hate to break it to you but some of those places in Mexico just migh use human waste as fertizer,  hate to think what kind of intestinal worm eggs are on some of those vegetables and strawberries etc

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 23:41 | 4794625 PennilessPauper
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They are pretty cheap!  I just had salad from my garden.  Yes I did pay an entire $1.50 for the lettuce seeds three years ago.  I just let one plant go to seed each year and now I have more lettuce than me and the snails can eat.


Mon, 05/26/2014 - 11:48 | 4795500 DaveyJones
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pretty much how salads go around here. and about twenty different greens...and reds...and purples

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:53 | 4793555 mjcOH1
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Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:39 | 4793282 NotApplicable
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We planted 4 this spring. I need to weed them too. *sigh*

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:56 | 4793323 Rusty Shorts
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Planted Wine Grapes last spring, Blueberries, Elderberries, Muscadines this spring, along with the usual garden...corn, tomatoes, sunflower, okra, watermelons, goards, herbs and spices, etc...Cheers.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 01:05 | 4794688 Rusty Shorts
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and Sage 

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:48 | 4794791 COSMOS
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Lol all of you with gardens, just wait till the proverbial shit hits the fan and your gardens get raided by armed thugs lol.  Unless you are a long ways from you fellow man you got problems.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 06:41 | 4794941 Bohm Squad
Mon, 05/26/2014 - 11:55 | 4795520 DaveyJones
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mankind has survived on "gardens" for oh, fifteen thousand years

just a little longer than Morgan and Monsanto

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:09 | 4793349 Abitdodgie
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You are lucky you can plant so early hear in North Dakota we are just half way through planting because winter just finished about 2 weeks ago.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:08 | 4793448 New Ordnance
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Shameless self promotion follows.

You might try Painted Mountain Corn in North Dakota. Matures in 90 days guaranteed. Painted Mountain was developed in Montana at 5000 feet. Open-pollinated . GMO- free. All seed screened for alpha, beta and gamma radionuclides.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:29 | 4793497 TheMeatTrapper
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Mine is coming along good. Gave two packets of 50 seeds each to two like minded friends. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:49 | 4793866 Sabibaby
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The daily hail storms are destroying my plants and flowers, they'll recover I hope.


The moisture is nice for a change!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:45 | 4793653 Abitdodgie
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The problem with planting non GMO corn around here is that every coon for miles around will do the walk just to eat it , you see they dont like GMO (roundup ready) corn it tends to kill them . Just FYI did you know this year the ppm of Roundup and agent Orange (24D) has now gone from 240ppm to 3000ppm thanks USDA for makeing our food safer (not).

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:18 | 4793806 TheAnswerIs42
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Actually, the EPA allowed the Roundup residue left on Soybeans  to increase from 20ppm to 40ppm.

Still nasty as the stuff kills bacteria in any mammel's gut.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:35 | 4793843 TheMeatTrapper
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Coon do love it. I love trapping them. Kinda like planting sweet potatoes to draw deer in. Nothing like legal bait!

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:49 | 4794796 COSMOS
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Yeah but hose Coons can be pretty heavily parasitized.  Dont know if you want to eat them :)

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 12:09 | 4795568 DaveyJones
Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:51 | 4793664 mt paul
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north of the alaskan range

we wait till june 1 to plant outside

no late frost this year,nice spring..

land of the 100 lb cabbages..

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:56 | 4794805 COSMOS
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You my friend are in the best place in case all hell breaks loose.  A nice place where you can hunt some caribou and elk, life is good up in Alaska, hopefully Fuku won't ruin the waterways too much.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:10 | 4793597 puskin
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Plant more

At the rate things are going they may be all you have 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:34 | 4793272 Pure Evil
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Just add some Pacific Ocean Kale and call it Fukushima Green.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:41 | 4793288 NotApplicable
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My hoop house is named "The Fukushima Dome." Year four of cesium-free veggies.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:12 | 4793357 Abitdodgie
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I have a giger counter and radiation tester for food and there has been no increase in Radiation levels in the past few years , nothing ever happens on this planet.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:37 | 4793406 Harbanger
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If you read News articles from the 70's,  are all supposed to be dead by now from the Acid Rain caused by pollution.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:39 | 4793526 crunchyfrog
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Clean air act. One year after it passed, the Spring peepers came back.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:14 | 4793911 Headbanger
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So that explains all the zombies I shot up today with the beautiful 1952 Tula SKS I just got. Thanks!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 22:59 | 4794575 Real Estate Geek
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Abitdodgie:  Run that GC over your vehicle's air filter.  That's more likely to have trapped something hot.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:11 | 4793352 Harbanger
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Algaes like spirulina are being sold as an evironmentally friendly alternative to animal protein so green slime is just around the corner.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:20 | 4793478 espirit
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I was wondering why they don't paint this stuff green.

Guess pretty pink is moar appetizing - Bon Appetit!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:21 | 4794394 Bro of the Sorr...
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if youve never taken spirulina as a supplement, try, immediately improves circulation.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:20 | 4793233 TeamDepends
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We were doing OK until we hit the word "largesse".  Then we threw up a little.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:15 | 4793361 tonyw
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now that's the sort of crumble i like. well done mrs hh

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:44 | 4793417 Isotope
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Is that anything like Screaming Purple Jesus?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:17 | 4793915 Headbanger
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Praise The Lord!  No matter what His Divine Color be!


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 21:26 | 4794402 CheapBastard
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It's Amazing, Grace!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:22 | 4793476 psychobilly
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"I love blackberry season!"

Me too.  They grow wild all over my place.  I made some jam with the first bunch I picked a couple of weeks ago, which I like to give out as gift jars.  Always a hit.  I've been thinking about a crumble or a pie with the most recent bunch picked.

Yesterday we reeled in some nice 2 - 3 pound bass from a nearby honey hole that we seemingly have all to ourselves, and had a wonderful fish fry you might have appreciated.

I'm not to the point you are yet with self-sufficiency - you're an inspiration to us all - but I'm getting there bit by bit.  I am fortunate to have some very fertile and forested land, and a private source of clean water from a deep well.  The land is mostly undeveloped at this point as far as agriculture goes.  Most of those projects are still in the planning phase.  I'm trying to do things as naturally as possible, although I will eventually put up a greenhouse and do some aquaponics for some of the plants I want to grow year-round.  It gets pretty hot where I'm at during the summer, and the area is also prone to late freezes. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:56 | 4793671 mt paul
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first copper river sockeyes of the season

slow smoked ,or eaten raw

is all good..

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 02:58 | 4794806 COSMOS
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Sounds like you are up in Canada billy?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 20:42 | 4793906 krispkritter
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Spent the last two weekends at a blueberry farm as a volunteer for u-pick.  Will have over 100lbs in the freezer before the fields are manicured for next season, and it's all free.  We also have local blackberries that are amazing.  About 20lbs will find their way to the freezer. The blueberries have held prices for two years, blackberries are up a bit, but I'd much rather spend $3 for berries than $3 for a sugar-laden mall smoothie, even moreso if it's a $5 smoothie now.  My own BB plants have taken a beating for now but it's over 60 now and I have olive trees and blackberries coming online. If I'd get busy and fence my property, I could probably support a cow or two.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:11 | 4793211 john39
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>>plastic t-bone


sounds like the mcRib (tm)

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:19 | 4793227 NotApplicable
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"No, that's cartilage, I swear!"

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:19 | 4793230 DaddyO
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I've said it on ZH many times, the best way to know what you're eating is to know who grew it.

If you don't have a direct source for food in the coming months, woe is you.

You can grow food year 'round in most every location, just search out Eliot Coleman.

Stock up now, food storage is one item that never goes to waste or must be liquidated.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:35 | 4793274 disabledvet
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Sad that this is what the richest country on earth has become. "If you can't grow your own you're dead."

Keep on printin' that confetti.

I'll save my pennies for Rockefeller Plaza. Move along...

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:58 | 4793327 free_lunch
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Miracle springwater will solve your problems:


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:46 | 4793423 DaddyO
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Charlatan money changer!

We all know what happened to the money changers, eh?

Pure unadulterated faith has no argument...


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:56 | 4793650 MisterMousePotato
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Another name to research is Mel Bartholomew (sp?) - Square Foot Gardening.

Oh, someone below mentioned guerilla gardening below (as a joke), but reminded me of this guy (worth watching):

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:45 | 4793298 Abitdodgie
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That picture is not pink slime that is the making of Chicken Mcnuggets , then they bleach it to the right colour

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 19:07 | 4794139 RiverRoad
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They already have wrapped beef around a plastic T-bone.  How about an article about the transfat/Crisco (same thing) non-food hydrogenated vegetable oil/factory gear grease (true) that the restaurants add to pink slime to stretch it even further?  They've been selling plastic (yes) burgers for quite a while now to an unsuspecting public.  Lotsa heart attacks just waiting to happen.   BTW it's illegal to sell food products containing transfat in Denmark.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:04 | 4793242 ebworthen
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From the horse's mouth, so to speak:

Just wait until it's used to make "Edamame Teal".

No, I don't want to know how sausage is made.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:34 | 4793395 Tulpa
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"Do those celebrity chefs give their nose-to-tail a good shot of ammonia gas when they are getting their Eco-groove on? Probably not."

No, but they probably drip/pour/spray dihydrogen monoxide all over it, which is just as dangerous and "artificial" as small amounts of ammonia.

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 19:07 | 4799978 Abbie Normal
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If that's the case, why aren't bathroom cleansers just made of water?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 22:28 | 4794526 indygo55
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Ammonia, its what's for dinner.


Mon, 05/26/2014 - 01:18 | 4794721 Magooo
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Mon, 05/26/2014 - 12:31 | 4795620 Roll Tide
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Ammonia gas adds a certain flavor that only econerds can savor.  Let them enjoy it.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:02 | 4793192 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Or have cookbooks from celebrity chefs preaching snout-to-tail cooking

The flies all green and buzzing
in his dungeon of despair.
An evil prince eats a steaming pig
in a chamber right near there.
He eats the snout and the trotters first.
The loins and the groins are soon dispersed.
His carving style is well rehearsed.
He stands and shouts, "all men be cursed."
-- FZ The Torture Never Stops

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:09 | 4793210 chunga
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Slime 'n rot, rats 'n snot 'n vomit on the floor
Fifty ugly soldiers, man, holdin' spears by the iron door
Knives 'n spikes 'n guns 'n the likes of every tool of pain
An' a sinister midget with a bucket an' a mop where the blood goes down the drain;

I'm going to feed my chickens and then drink beer.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:32 | 4793267 TeamDepends
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Do you brew your own beer, and if so, do you feed them spent grain?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:30 | 4793388 chunga
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We don't brew beer yet but we've got to come up with something. It's damn expensive getting drunk these days. I think we're going to try to make Apple Jack or something along those lines; but not too strong somehow..we don't like hard liquor that much.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:10 | 4793453 TeamDepends
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We are brewing right now!  You should definitely learn the process and a good place to start is Brooklyn BrewShop's Beer Making Book.  These recipes make a gallon so you can use pots and equipment you probably already have.  Spent grain can be fed to cattle, goats, and possibly your chickens.  We grind ours into flour  so there is very little waste.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:45 | 4793655 Sean7k
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Just bottled a dead ringer and will start a chinook in a week. I prefer the five gallon batch for the amount of labor involved. Also see: Northern Brewer, Midwest supplies and Morebeer. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:06 | 4793688 Overfed
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Just brewed a batch last night.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:14 | 4793912 krispkritter
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The local field will cut down probably 5-80k lbs. in blueberries in the next week. Commercial and u-pick are done.  I need to open a winery/brewery for blue wine and beer.  There are a couple blue beers out, including Wild Blue at 8% abv.  I could make a lot of brew with a crop that's going to get composted.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:44 | 4793295 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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I have 2 versions of that song, one with Frank singing it and the other he has Capt Beefheart singing (heavy duty blues version).  Been a fan of his since the early 70's.  As WB7 says "he got it right early and often".

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:26 | 4793381 chunga
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I'm going to age myself here but who cares.

I've been to maybe 10 Zappa concerts and love sharing this story. This was at either the Ocean State or the Leroy theater in RI; I was baked. While the band was playing "Torture Never Stops" I noticed this big bodyguard dude leaning on a speaker I think. Big bald whiteguy, wearing a karate looking suit, smoking a cigarette...he took a drag...and then stuck it behind his ear. Lit.

After the show we hung out by the bus back-stage. I was leaning against the wall right next to the door when it swung open and out came the bodyguard guy who cleared everybody out of the way but me. He didn't notice me; but anyway out comes Frank. I gave him a pat on the back and said "great show Frank". Maybe ya had to be there lol.

Chunga's Revenge

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:51 | 4793663 Sean7k
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Captain Beefheart, "clear spot". 

Women like long neck bottles

and a big head on their beer

I don't like to talk about my women,

but I hold that woman dear

One night she got to drinking

She drank down the river 

and backed the ocean down.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:05 | 4793197 john39
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"The recovered beef material is processed, heated, and treated with gaseous ammonia[20] or citric acid to kill E. coli, salmonella, and other bacteria. Gaseous ammonia in contact with the water in the meat produces ammonium hydroxide.[20] The product is finely ground, compressed into pellets[21] or blocks, flash frozen and then shipped for use as an additive.[22][23]"

I seriously doubt that native americans were eating ammonium hydroxide mixed with "meat" from diseased, weak, drugged up, hormone fed, gmo eating franken cows...  but that is just a wild guess.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:19 | 4793229 Cathartes Aura
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. . . not to mention "farmers" feeding cows stale candy chock full of GMO'd HFCS, artificial hormones & additives,

In an effort to slash costs and increase profits, livestock corporations have now begun feeding their cattle super cheap processed foods like cookies, gummy worms, chocolate, fruit loops and a whole list of candies.

all pre-served with anti-biotics, trying to keep up with the toxic mess they create

just for you.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:46 | 4793301 RafterManFMJ
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I dumped some money into the Soylent kick starter and the product is finally shipping.

I assumed it contains no pink slime or long pig, but imma be sure to check the label just to be safe.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:48 | 4793426 Isotope
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I ordered some of that, mostly to get the mixing container and measuring cup with "Soylent" printed on it.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:52 | 4793314 WillyGroper
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I had forgotten reading about the candy. Yuk!

CA, can you meet me on chat? thx

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:16 | 4793467 tonyw
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Don't forget the antibiotics which are breeding bugs resistant to nearly all antibiotics.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:20 | 4793234 Louie the Dog
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My 92 year old mother laughs at this kind of food paranoia. Raised on a farm during the Depression nothing went to waste. Her father didn't spray the leftover scrapings with ammonia, they just ate whatever bacteria lurked inside. Her parents lived well into their 80s and all her siblings reached their 90s. 

I suspect the stress of worrying about what's in food will kill those tofu-eating, Whole Foods-shopping metrosexual pussies far sooner than the citric acid sprayed on the little pink slime they may inadvertently consume.





Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:38 | 4793279 disabledvet
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"Guerrilla gardening." Move along....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:02 | 4793445 Tegrat
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"Whole Foods-shopping metrosexual pussies far sooner than the citric acid sprayed on the little pink slime they may inadvertently consume."

lol. this is what i think about everyone who has convinced themselves by paying more for the "organic" label. Kool Aide is stong lately.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:19 | 4794051 Nom de Guerre
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Whole foods=whole paycheck.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:10 | 4793451 walküre
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Hog, beef or poultry weren't pumped full of steroids, antibiotics and other chemicals back then. It's not the bacteria that kills you, it's the crap from Bayer, BASF, Agrium, Monsanto that WILL KILL us all in due time.

There's no escape. It's too late. Cancer is here and increasing (young and youngest develop all sorts of cancer).

Resistance to antibiotics is getting stronger and we need stronger and stronger meds to fight simple infections.

Growers keep their livestock (barely) alive at all cost because as long as its breathing on its own (barely) or has a heartbeat, it is considered "safe" to be processed into meat.

Talk to farmers. They know what's going down today.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 22:21 | 4797248 MsCitizen2
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Your aunties never had to deal with antibiotic-resistant e-coli.

Which helps to cull dickheads from the gene pool.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:49 | 4793309 rubiconsolutions
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"Would you like a side of prions with that burger"

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:24 | 4793482 TheMeatTrapper
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"I bet some of the same people horrified by this will also speak glowingly of how "Native American used every part of the buffalo and let nothing go to waste.""

Those of us who catch, kill and prepare our food for ourselves know that there are natural uses for every part of an animal and unnatural uses. 

There is nothing natural, good, healthy or wholesome about this process or the finished product. 

Learn to Trap Your Food

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:46 | 4793538 New Ordnance
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Learn to Trap Your Food

Trapper, that is an awesome tutorial.

It would have made old Jim Bridger proud.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:32 | 4793506 dirty belly
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The term 'Native American' is an implication, implying that this land now called 'America' was always called 'America'.


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:44 | 4794094 shovelhead
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It's America. That's it. Who cares what some stone age savages called it?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 23:40 | 4794622 dirty belly
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You are using a 'distraction' to distract from the subject of 'American Indian'.  Stone age or not, the implication of the use of the term: 'American Indian' implies that this land that IS NOW called 'America' WAS always called America. 

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 05:35 | 4794893 Disenchanted
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About 507 years ago...a flyspeck of time when you think about it.


The earliest known use of the name America for this particular landmass dates from April 25, 1507. It appears first on a small globe map with twelve time zones, and then a large wall map created by the German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller in Saint-Dié-des-Vosges in France. Nearby Strasbourg was energized by the Renaissance Spirit of science and innovation. Here the Duke of Lorraine purchased the latest invention of a printing press and recruited a think tank of experts to render a new image of earth as a planet, using the reported findings of European explorers. An accompanying book, Cosmographiae Introductio, explains that the name was derived from the Latinized version of the explorer Amerigo Vespucci's name, Americus Vespucius, in its feminine form, America, as the other continents all have Latin feminine names.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 11:59 | 4795533 dirty belly
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See this:

Comanche Timeline

1500 Comanches separate from Eastern Shoshone near Wind River.

1540 Coronado Expedition into the Southern Plains.

1540 Comanches known to be using dogs for transport.

1598 Spain builds colony in New Mexico and starts enslaving Indians.

1601 Don Juan de Onate encounters Plains Apache at Canadian River while looking for the Seven Cities of Gold (Cibola).

1680 Pueblo Rebellion, Comanches obtain horses.

1687 Sieur do La Sill encounters Comanches near Trinity River.

1692 Picuris relocates with Plains Apache in West Kansas.

1700 Comanches and Utes trade at Taos, New Mexico.

1706 Picuris returns to the Rio Grande Valley Area.

1716 Jicarilla Apache forced into mountains of New Mexico by repeated Comanche and Ute raids.

1716 During summer, Comanches and Utes trade at villages in New Mexico.

1716 Spanish attack Comanche/Ute Village north of Santa Fe; prisoners were taken and sold as slaves.

1719 First recorded Comanche raids in New Mexico for horses.

1719 Spanish send soldiers as far north as Pueblo, Colorado, only to find abandoned campsites.

1720 Apache bands retreat into Mexico from repeated Comanche attacks.

1720 Spanish send military expedition to investigate rumors of French trade and are destroyed by the Pawnee.

1723 War between Comanches and Utes and Plains Apache explode, two military expeditions sent to help the Apaches fail to locate Comanche and Ute Tribes.

1724 Comanche fight a nine-day war at Great Mountain of Iron, it results in major defeat for the Apache.

1724 French Trader Bourgmont trades with Padoucah in Kansas.

1725 Last Apaches settle on upper Arkansas River and disappeared.

1728 Plains Apache settle on Rio Grande with Pueblo Tribes.

1730 Comanches control Texas Panhandle, Central Texas and Northeastern New Mexico.

1730 Comanche/Ute alliance collapse, 50-year war begins between Comanches and Utes.

1740 Comanches obtain firearms from French traders.

1742 Spanish send another failed expedition as far as Wichita Villages without encountering Comanches.

1743 Comanches visit San Antonio de Bexar.

1745 Comanches force Utes from the Plains and Utes run and hide in the mountains.

1745 Kotsoteka Comanches cross Arkansas River and move into New Mexico.

1746 Comanches raids Pecos, New Mexico. Under siege for the next 40 years, Comanches attack virtually all places in Spanish New Mexico.

1746 Major war between Comanches and the Osage and Pawnee.

1747 French barter peace between Comanche and Wichita.

1749 The French barter peace between the Comanche and Wichita; Comanches break alliance with the Utes.

1749 Utes beg Spanish for protection from Comanches.

1750 Comanches settle in the Llano Estacado, or Staked Plains, of Texas Panhandle.

1750 French trade for horses increase with the Comanches for Firearms.

1750 Utes make alliance with the Jicarilla against the Comanches.

1750 Comanches raid Pecos again.

1750 Wichita barters peace between the Comanche and the Osage and Pawnee.

1750 Comanches drive Apaches out of Southern plains: Jicarilla, Carlanas, Mescaleros, Faraones, and Lipans.

1751 Comanche and Pawnee defeat the Osage.

1751 Pawnee leave the Plains and settle in the Platte Valley.

1754 Blackfeet Tribe acquires horses from Comanches.

1757 Lipan Apaches ask Spanish to build a mission on Comanche Territory that results in war between the Spanish and Comanche.

1758 Comanche and Wichita attack San Saba Presido and missions and kill all.

1759 Spanish army defeated by Comanche and Wichita at Red River.

1760 Crow tribe acquires horse from Comanche.

1760 Taos attacked by Comanches.

1761 Comanches attack Lipan mission on Nueces River.

1763 France transfers Louisiana to Spanish control.

1765 Prior to this date the Kiowa lived in the Black Hills, driven out by Lakota Sioux moving westward from Minnesota.

1768 Ute/Jicarilla alliance defeated by Comanches.

1773 Comanches raid Pecos for the 4th Time.

1774 Spanish soldiers, with help of Pueblo Indians, attack a Comanche village near Raton and capture over 100 Comanches Prisoners.

1775 Yamparika Comanches fight Lakota and Cheyenne in the Black Hills.

1777 New Spain holds council of war and seeks alliance with Nations of the North, Comanche and Wichita.

1779 Spanish send 500-man army with 200 Utes and Apache to attack a large Comanche village and kill Chief Green Horn.

1780 Due to the Kiowa being forced to move south by the Lakota, war breaks out between the Comanche and Kiowa.

1781 Smallpox decimates both Wichita and Comanche Tribes, many people die.

1785 Spanish propose treaty with Texas Comanche, signed in the Fall.

1786 Kotsoteka kill Chief White Bull in New Mexico because of his stance against peace, his followers scatter.

1786 Spanish barter a peace between the Comanche and Ute tribes, and sign treaty with Comanches.

1789 Spanish and Comanche defeat Lipan Apache.

1790 Comanche and Pawnee war for 3 years, Pawnee defeated.

1791 Comanche and Osage War, Osage again defeated by Comanches.

1797 Comanches destroy entire Osage village near the Kansas / Missouri border.

1803 Comanches and Pawnee war, Pawnee again defeated by Comanches.

1805 Comanches and Kiowa make peace after a Kiowa warrior lives among the Comanche for a summer.

1807 Dr. John Sibley has a meeting with a Comanche Chief.

1810 Approximate time of peace with the Kiowa Apache.

1810 Hidalgo Revolt occurs.

1811 Comanche Chief El Sordo visits Bexar and is imprisoned in Coahuila.

1811 Relations between Texas and Comanches break down due to the imprisonment of El Sordo.

1813 American traders trade with Comanches for horses.

1816 John Jamison meets with Comanche Chiefs for trade.

1821 Spanish rule replaced by Mexico.

1821 Santa Fe trail opened.

1822 Mexico makes treaty with Texas band of Comanches.

1825 Mexico does not honor treaty with Comanches and the Rio Grande War breaks out.

1825 Comanches raid Chihuahua.

1825 United States begins construction of Ft. Gibson in Oklahoma.

1826 Mexico makes treaty with the Texas band of Comanches again.

1829 Comanches and Kiowa battle U. S. Infantry on the Santa Fe Trail.

1830 Comanches war with Cheyenne and Arapaho alliance.

1831 Mexico bans trading with Comanches.

1832 Comanches catch Pawnee raiders stealing horses and kill them all.

1832 Construction of Bent’s Fort on Arkansas River.

1833 Sam Houston barters peace with Comanches, becoming friends to many.

1834 Mexico makes treaty with Texas Comanches.

1834 Mexico again dishonors peace treaty and Comanches resume raids on Mexico.

1835 Sonora, Chihuahua and Durango re-establishe bounties for Comanche scalps.

1835 American Treaty made at Camp Holmes, with Comanche, Wichita, Osage Quapaw, Seneca, Cherokee, Choctaw and Creek.

1836 Cynthia Ann Parker captured at Fort Parker, Texas.

1836 Texas wins independence from Mexico; Sam Houston becomes president of the Republic.

1837 Texas Cherokee Chief Diwali makes peace and trades with 16 different bands of Comanches.

1838 Texas and Comanches make peace treaty.

1839 Texas force out Cherokee, Shawnee and Delaware from Texas.

1839 Smallpox epidemic.

1840 Comanches meet Texans for council in San Antonio, 12 Comanche Chiefs are killed and 27 women and children taken prisoner.

1840 Peace is made between Cheyenne, Arapaho, and Comanches. Comanches give massive gifts of horses to their new allies.

1840 Chief Potsana Kwahip (Buffalo Hump) takes warriors against Texas on a thousand mile raid. Homes are burned. Hundreds of Texans killed.

1840 Texas with Tonkawa warriors attack Comanches at Plumb Creek.

1840 Texas Rangers formed to fight Comanches.

1841 Texas has second war with Mexico.

1843 Colonel J.C. Eldridge meets with Chief Pahayuco of the Tenawa at Pecan River, near the Red River.

1844 Sam Houston meets with Chief Tseep Tasewah along with other Indian Leaders.

1845 Quannah Parker is born to Cynthia Ann Parker near Laguna Sabinas (Cedar Lake).

1845 Treaty between Republic of Texas and Texas band of Comanches is signed.

1846 United States annexes Texas.

1846 Butler-Lewis Treaty made with Comanche, Anadarko, Caddo, Lipan, Wichita and Waco.

1846 Comanche delegation meets with President Polk.

1847 German Treaty singed at Fredericksburg with Comanche, this treaty is still honored.

1848 Smallpox epidemic strikes Comanche people.

1848 Between 1848 and 1853, Mexico filed 366 separate claims for Comanches and Apache raids originating from North of the border.

1849 Gold seekers traveling along Canadian River bring smallpox to the Comanches.

1851 Comanche population drops from 20,000 to 12,000 due to smallpox.

1851 Ft. Laramie Treaty with Plains Indian Tribes.

1851 Epidemic breaks out among the Comanches and Kiowa.

1852 Comanches raid Coahuila, Chihuahua, Sonora, and Durango and Tepic in Jalisco, 700 miles south of the Border.

1853 Kiowa and Yamparika sign Ft. Atkinson Treaty.

1854 Texas Congress provides 23,000 acres and establishes three Indian reservations on the upper Brazos River for the Texas tribes, Caddo, Cherokee, Delaware, Shawnee, Wichita and Tonkawa.

1854 Penateka Tribe moves to Texas reservation.

1856 Robert E. Lee becomes in charge of Texas Indian Reservations.

1858 Due to Indian raids, the Army abandons Camp Cooper.

1858 Texas Rangers attack Comanche village at Little Robe Creek in Indian Territory.

1858 Captain Earl Van Dorn attacked a Comanche village at Rush Springs, killing 83.

1858 Van Dorn strikes the Comanches at Crooked Creek in Kansas.

1859 Settlers attack reservation in Texas and are repelled by Indians.

1859 Indians on Texas reservation forced to leave Texas.

1860 Calvary sends 3 columns on expedition battle fought with Comanches, Kiowa, Cheyenne, and Arapaho.

1860 Cynthia Ann Parker re-captured by Texas Ranger Sul Ross.

1861 Confederate signs two treaties with Comanche bands.

1861 Confederates fail to make good on treaty and Comanches push the Texas frontier back over 100 miles, forts are abandoned and raids increase.

1861 Santa Fe trail closed down by Comanches, Kiowa, Cheyenne and Arapaho.

1862 Smallpox epidemic from New Mexico strikes.

1862 Comanches and Pro-Union Delaware and Shawnee from Kansas attack the Tonkawa agency on revenge raid and kill 300 Tonkawa for helping the white men track and fight other Indian tribes.

1863 Full scale war in the Great Plains by an alliance for Lakota, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Kiowa, Comanche, and Kiowa-Apache.

1864 Colonel Kit Carson sent to deal with Comanches at first battle of Adobe Walls with Ute and Jicarilla scouts; Carson left after 4 days battle and never again returned to Texas to fight Comanches.

1864 Five days after Carson’s battle, Chivington’s Colorado volunteers attack a sleeping Cheyenne village on Sand Creek in southern Colorado, mutilating 300 Cheyenne, mostly women and children.

1865 Council held with Confederate and Plains Tribes at Wichita River two weeks after Lee had surrendered.

1865 Little Arkansas Treaty signed with the Comanche and other Plains Tribes.

1867 Cholera epidemic strikes Comanche bands.

1867 Medicine Lodge Treaty signed by Comanche Tribes; Kwahada band refuses to sign.

1868 Comanche bands that signed treaty moved to Ft. Cobb only to leave again in the summer to return home to the plains.

1868 Comanche raids target Texas and Kansas, all tribes are then ordered to Oklahoma.

1868 George Armstrong Custer and the 7th Calvary attack a southern village on the Wichita in November.

1868 Major Andrew Evans attacks a Comanche village at Soldiers Spring on Christmas Day.

1869 Comanche-Kiowa Agency was relocated to Ft. Sill, and the Cheyenne-Arapaho agency to Darlington.

1870 Comanche population estimated at around 8,000.

1871 Kiowa raids General William Sherman’s wagon train and almost kills the Supreme Commander of the American Army.

1871 A raid by the Kwahada band of Comanches stole 70 horses from the Army at Rock Station.

1871 General Randall Mackenzie and his black buffalo soldiers fight the Kwahada band of Comanches for two years on the Plains.

1872 Combined Comanche and Kiowa raids in Texas kills 20 in Texas, at the same time Texans steal 1,900 horses from tribes at Ft. Sill, OK.

1872 Mackenzie attacks a Comanche village at McClellan Creek; he takes 130 women and children hostage and imprisons them at Ft. Concho. 200 more lodges are destroyed.

1873 Comanche hostages are released and forced to go to Ft. Sill, OK.

1874 Cheyenne hunters report that there are dead buffalo all over the Plains. Violence erupted at Wichita and Darlington Agencies and put down by federal troops.

1874 Large groups of Cheyenne leave the reservation to the Plains.

1874 A large Comanche-Cheyenne war party attacked 23 buffalo hunters camped in the Texas Panhandle at the site of Carson’s 1864 battle of Adobe Walls.

1874 Red River War or Buffalo War begins; this is the last Great Indian War in the Plains.

1875 General Miles attacks a group of Cheyenne near McClellan Creek.

1875 General Mackenzie attacks and burns five Comanche villages in Palo Duro Canyon and massacres women and children and destroys over 1400 Comanche horses.

1875 Winter time brings starvation to the Indians and they start to return to the reservation after relentless pursuit by Federal Troops.

1875 In April, 200 Kwahada, who had never surrendered arrived at Ft. Sill. In June the last 400 Kwahada with Quanah Parker surrendered.

1879 The Buffalo of the Great Plains were gone, over 65 million were destroyed by white hunters. Estimation taken in 1879 reported less than 1500 buffalo left on the Plains.

1901 The Comanche reservation is broken up due to Government pressure to open the land for settlement.

1905 Quannah Parker rides in President Roosevelt’s Inaugural parade in Washington, D.C.

1905 President Theodore Roosevelt visits Quannah’s Star House. Quannah and the President go on a wolf hunt in April.

1910 Quannah buries his mother Cynthia Ann Parker on December 4 at Post Oak.

1911 Quannah Parker dies. Over 2000 people attend his funeral.

1916 Comanche warriors volunteer for service in Europe; Code Talkers are utilized by United States forces.

1941 Comanche warriors again volunteer for service in Europe.

1941 Code Talkers use the Comanche language in D-Day Invasion and Patton’s tank battalion to secure victory for allied forces during WW II.

1989 France recognizes Comanche Code Talkers for bravery and awards them the highest honor it can bestow for esteemed service in having saved France from German occupation.

1992 The first Annual Comanche Nation Fair was held on the grounds of the old Craterville Park location in the foothills of the Wichita Mountain, now known as Camp Eagle Training Center on the west range of Fort Sill Military Reservation.  The Annual Fair continues on the last week-end in September on the grounds of the Comanche Nation Complex, north of Lawton.

1993 The first and only Comanche Nation Rodeo was held at Eagle Park in Cache Oklahoma.

1993 Comanches adopt an official alphabet, and Numu Tekwapuha Nomeneekatu, the Comanche Language and Cultural Preservation Committee (CLCPC)  is formed to preserve Comanche language and culture.

1998 Comanche Language and Cultural Preservation Committee launches its first language newsletter and their official web site.

1999 Last Comanche Code Talker, Charles Chibitty, received the Knowlton Award by the United States Government for the Code Talker’s help in WWII.

2000 Comanche Tribe attains a herd of buffalo from Wichita Wildlife Refuge for cultural revitalization

2000 The first Annual Shoshone Nations Reunion is held in Fort Hall, Idaho.  Reunions have been held each year since then, with the Comanche Nation hosting in 2002 and again in 2006.

2001 Comanches attain a herd of wild mustangs from Pyramid Lake Piutes.

2002 Dr. William C. Meadows published a book titled "The Comanche Code Talkers of World War II" that tells the story of our code talkers.

2002 The Comanche Nation College is opened.

2002 The CLCPC certifies the first two Comanche language teachers at the Comanche Nation College in Lawton.

2003 The first official Comanche Dictionary is published by the CLCPC, compiled entirely by Comanche people.

2003 A life size Comanche monument is dedicated by the city of Wichita Falls, Texas, to honor the Comanches.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:46 | 4793535 kchrisc
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It is not so much the less than grade product mixed in, but the chemical treatment of it that concerns most people and that they usually sneak it in.

"Pink-slime," another gift from the banksters.


"My guillotine has a pink-slime attachment."

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:17 | 4793918 JuliaS
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One of my favourite short films of all times "They're Made Out Of Meat":

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 22:32 | 4794536 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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We use only the best pig snouts and sphincters.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 23:37 | 4794621 jonjon831983
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Quite true - pink slime... or start eating things like chicken hearts, gizzards, etc. parts that you normally wouldn't see in most supermarkets except for ethnic shops.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 12:21 | 4795600 Jumbotron
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" I bet some of the same people horrified by this will also speak glowingly of how "Native American used every part of the buffalo and let nothing go to waste." "


They ate it fresh.  And/or they dehydrated it turning it to jerkey.

They did not pump the buffalo first with antibiotics, GMO corn, and/or hormones.

They did not spray it down with ammonia or some other anti-bacterial wash.

They KNEW what they were eating.....they did not try to hide it from the population by mixing it with another type of buffalo.

They weren't trying to screw over their families with overpriced, industrialized, unnaturally put together slop.

It was buffalo they killed themselves....harvested themselves......even using them for clothing and housing.

Native American buffalo harvesting has absolutely nothing to do with the industrialized nightmare of Pink Slime production....and worse yet.....introduction into our food.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:40 | 4793131 papaswamp
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Look for a big increase in hunting and fishing license sales...and associated items.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:14 | 4793214 nmewn
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The king is responsible for the condition of "his people", so we'll just take "his deer" as compensation ;-)

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:24 | 4793246 DaddyO
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That's 'just compensation', right?


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:30 | 4793500 espirit
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It's getting out of control though, and sooner or later with so many afield there will come a time when the hunter becomes the hunted for his vehicle, wallet, boots, firearm, etc.

Trade is a profitable business.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:32 | 4793263 El Vaquero
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And wait for a lot of people to get smacked right between the eyes with the fact that hunting ain't always easy.  If it was, we might call it killin' or something of the sort.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:39 | 4793284 New Ordnance
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Bloody hands are a way of life if you want to eat well.

Nothing to see here vegans. Just move along.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 12:24 | 4795607 Jumbotron
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Living well.....that's another story.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:45 | 4793299 disabledvet
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Just jumped Bambie with my Bowie knife yesterday. It was bloody, gotta say. But I won. Cammo'ed up, lying in wait no less.

Needless to say the tourists visiting Orlando were a little and appalled. Eating some raw right off the bone didn't go over too well with the onlookers either.

Once I got the fire going though...let that chile stew for about twelve and bust out some brewskis for story telling time people we all sang a hearty good tune of "Mickey Mouse is yummy too!" and had a jolly good laugh.

I'll be hunkerin down fer hurricane season of course. Somethin bout all those fags in Southbeach gettin flattened by Andrew so I hear.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:21 | 4793374 Abitdodgie
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Ain't easy hunting please come up hear those rats with hooves (deer) are always getting in the garden you can get them with a shotgun.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:36 | 4793402 New Ordnance
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Yep. Pot shot numbers of 'em in the garden with the 12 ga. Slugs work best. Not a bad griz stopper either.

The griz always eat a few yuppies up here every year.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 12:42 | 4795644 Jumbotron
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Have to agree with the shotgun statement.  Just about the best single, all around useful firearm anyone could own.  From #9 bird shot for double-aught buckshot for deer or geese....and slugs for large deer and black bear....even a grizzly at the right range......that's a large variety of organic meat with just one gun.

As a second caliber I have fun with is the ..45LC (Long Colt)

With this one caliber I can go from my Texas Bond Arms double barrel derringer to my snubbie my 6" barrel my Marlin lever action my mare's leg lever my Taurus revolver rifle

.......even my .454 Casull.....when I don't feel like getting slapped in the face by shooting .454 Casull.

Nice thing is......all those firearms mentioned above because they are .45LC can shoot .410 shotshell as well.  Well....I don't shot .410 out of the Casull.'s a Casull and she's special.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 12:49 | 4793429 El Vaquero
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Come out deer hunting in NM.  Or off-range Oryx hunting.  If you want to get something, you'll have to work your ass off.  Elk and antelope can be very easy or very hard, depending on what part of the state you're in.  Deer getting into the garden is not normally a problem here.  


If SHTF, you'll see those hooved rats start disappearing very quickly.  Especially when you get the desparate people who don't actually know how to take care of meat waisting a lot of their kills.  Or ruining 1/2 of the meat because they think they need a 338 Lapua to take down a whitetail when an '06 can blow the shit out of them.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:36 | 4793516 espirit
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It's sad that most <hunters> have to blow out the internals along with a shoulder when a nick in the neck works well.

A lot of people are gonna starve....

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:16 | 4793612 El Vaquero
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Unless you're talking shots 300yds and further, I really wouldn't want to use anything much bigger than an '06 on a cow elk.  (A bull is a different story.)  I took mine last year with an '06 from about 80yds, and I hit about 6" or 8" below the spine right over the heart.  That probably ruined 10lbs-20lbs of meat, and on either side of the rib cage, there was a 3"+ hole in the ribs themselves.  She dropped instantly though, and a body shot was the shot that I had, so I took it.  I watched one that was hit by a 7mm mag at about 80-100yds, and it ruined a whole front quarter, except for the backstrap.  The rib meat looked like blood soaked straw.  But that was a running shot, and hitting the neck can be kind of fun then.   But still, a cow elk is a lot bigger than a whitetail, so that gives you a comparison.  If I couldn't get a head or neck shot on whitetail, I can just about guarantee a ruined quarter with the '06.  


Oryx, OTOH, are tough critters.  A buddy of mine shot one in the neck from 300yds or 400yds with a 300 Win Mag, and the bullet did not penetrate the hide.  The massive shock still dropped the animal, but you really need a good bonded bullet with them.  If you are going for a broadside shot, i.e. heart and lung, their organs are further forward, and you have to shoot through the shoulder rather than right behind it.  If you shoot one where you'd normally shoot a deer or elk, all of the grass in its enormous stomach will absorb most of the shock from the bullet, and the Oryx will run for 5 miles before finally laying down and dying.  


I really need to get a .243 for deer.  It won't knock the crap out of them up close (we have mostly Mule Deer out here,) and it'll still drop one at 300 or 400 yards.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:52 | 4793876 MachoMan
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Much of the damage to the animal is determined by bullet rather than caliber.  You can shoot a really hot load with a .30 cal + diameter and it pass clean through without doing much...  most of the time with hotter rounds, you'll actually want to shoot a shoulder just to get the bones to fragment through the vitals to get a drop kill.  A lot of the ballistic tip bullets fragment naturally, so this is unnecessary. 

It's legal to hunt here with a .223, but I don't think it's particularly ethical for most folks on deer sized game.  I shoot a .300 win mag for most applications and the amount of wasted meat tends to be no more or less than with a .30-.30, black powder, bow, or any other modern hunting tool.  In the end, shot placement and bullet selection have a lot more to do with the amount of wasted meat than the amount of powder you're using or the diameter of the bullet. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:19 | 4793924 El Vaquero
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I don't know.  The elk that had a shredded quarter was with a bonded bullet, but like I say, it was at 80 or 100yds, which when you look at what the bullet is doing at that range, it's not that much different than being right at the muzzle.  It probably would have been different if it had been a 300yd or 400yd shot.  And don't ignore the high spine shot.  Where I hit my elk, it liquified her lungs and thrashed her spinal cord.  If I had been 8 or 10 inches higher, it would have still shredded her spine and a foot or so lower, the heart would have been shredded.  I still got ~240lbs of meat out of her.

I would use a .223 on a deer if I was sure the shot was going to be within 100yds or 150 yds, but it is certainly limited when talking about shooting deer.  They just don't retain enough energy once you get out there.  


But for Oryx, your 300 Win Mag would be a good choice.  You can drop them with a .243, but there are just too many things that can go wrong.  I shot mine in the back of the head with a 300 WSM, and it hydroed his eye out of socket.  There was no exit wound, but then again, the bullet went through several vertebra before entering the brain.  Everything about them (except for the eating part) is tough.  It was an off range hunt, and on off range hunts, if you have any shot at any oryx, you take it.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 23:08 | 4794591 Jam
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Oryx, what are you hunting penned up animals? I hope you are hunting them in their native range and habitat.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 09:36 | 4795184 El Vaquero
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They were imported onto the White Sands Missile Range in the 1960s or 1970s.  They're out in the wild, but it's not their native range.  Like I said above, if you get an off range hunt, you had better be ready to work your ass off.  


And if you eat meat from a store or restaurant, you're eating penned up animals.  What's worse: To raise an animal in a pen to butcher, or to raise an animal in a pen to "hunt?"  Chew on that for a while.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:34 | 4793271 New Ordnance
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Goodby pink slime. Hello organic, grass-fed super food. Right here in my backyard.

Down the scroll please.


Or, you can do this while maintaining a suburban lifestyle:


Also, consider going directly to the producer .


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:54 | 4793317 RafterManFMJ
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Sometimes I troll "Questionable" neighborhoods with a sawbuck half-hanging out of my fly; I usually limit out on hood rats within a few hours.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:38 | 4793524 espirit
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Here in East/Central out after daylight is at your own risk.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 13:19 | 4793474 El Vaquero
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As I stated in another thread the other day, I tried Painted Mountain last year.  It wasn't happy with the second hottest June on record.  I did not get enough to prevent inbreeding depression were I to rely solely on what was produced for seed, much less enough to eat.  I had planted it in May last year, and before it got hot, it was doing better than everything else.  Then the ultra dry heat hit.  This year, I started planting corn on March 30, planting in blocks of 4 rows each 8' long once a week.  Because the Painted Mountain is supposed to mature quicker, and I want some of its genetics in my population, I decided to wait for two weeks until I planted any of it.  


I also had some Navajo Blue Corn last year that did withstand the heat.  The literal 90mph+ sustained winds plus hail from a storm July did lodge the corn, however, and it hit right when it was tasseling.  What timing, huh!  This year, I have Navajo Blue Corn, Posole Corn, Earth Tones Dent, "Decorative" Indian Corn, Hickory King and Painted Mountain.  I'm letting those that can't hack the high temps, alkaline clay soil, etc... die, and letting the rest cross pollinate willy nilly.  I expect to get seed from at least 300 plants to ensure genetic diversity, and I'm hoping that some of the hybrids are promising for my region.  If SHTF, I'm the guy that the neighbors will be coming to for seed, and I should have enough to at least get things started.


BTW, (Nixtamalized) corn, (dry) beans, squash and peppers is a fairly complete source of nutrition.  If meat is not readily avaliable, you can live on those for quite a while.  But, unless you want to come down with pallagra, you should learn how to nixtamalize your corn with wood ashes.  It's simple - roughly equal volumes ash to corn into a pot of water, and simmer until the hulls are coming off of the corn, then rinse it like crazy.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:29 | 4793632 New Ordnance
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El V,

Hardwood ashes are best. Conifer ashes can taste weird YMMV. I store lime and use procedures similar to those described here:

It's really easy and like you said, rinse like crazy.

The alkali treatment removes the hard protective coating on the kernals, allowing better absorption of the B vitamins in particular. Grind the resultant posole (hominy) to make masa dough, then into the tortilla press  and onto a hot cast iron skillet for a minute. Slather on some butter - throw on some fresh-roasted green chile and you're headed for southwestern heaven.



Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:04 | 4793685 El Vaquero
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A lot of the natives here will use Juniper for traditional reasons.  I've never tried hominy made from Juniper ash, but I'd bet from my camping and cooking over a wood fire experiences, it would be different than other conifers.  Besides, hardwood ashes are going to have more KOH, making the process faster.  I just use the ashes from my smoker, and if you know anything about BBQ, you know to NEVER use evergreen for smoking, as it can actually make you sick.  It's generally fine for grilling with (personal experience,) but putting it in your smoker is a no-no.  So, hardwood ash it is.  Mainly oak, apple and cherry.  


It actually ends up being a nice little system.  When making posole, I'll wait until the morning to pull the meat out of the freezer, then thaw it in the smoker that I've pulled the ash from to nixtamalize the corn.  I'll make a red chile sauce, throw it in the crock pot, then throw the thawed meat into the red chile.  It imparts a phenomenal flavor to the red chile.  Once the corn has turned into hominy, I put the meat in a pot with the hominy, onion, garlic, and whatever else I feel like that day, and let it simmer until the meat is tender.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:46 | 4793657 kurt
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I would be interested in the Native American way of planting all three: corn, bean, and squash in the same plot as many of us live on small lots. Like, timing, when does each go in? What amendments, what to do after harvest, can/should you "chip" the stalks after dry and turn them under?.

I figure, that and rabbit or chickens?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 15:13 | 4793693 El Vaquero
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I'm trying the three sisters for the first time this year.  I've been waiting until the stalks are about 1' high to plant the beans.  If you remind me in a few months, I'll tell you how that works out for me.  The squash is not in the ground yet.  I'm waiting for the squash bugs to wake up, either find my single trap crop (1 squash plant) that I'm going to burn, or to move on to the neighbor's squash plants.  That shuld be fairly soon here.  You also have to keep in mind that I'm stubborn, and don't always do things the way people say to.  Part of that is just me being me, but the other part is that there are a lot of old wives tales when it comes to gardening, and often, there is more than one way to skin a cat, so I like try something new and see if it works.


I've been composting my corn stalks.  I've been mixing them in with horse manure, grass clippings, leaves, kitchen waste and whatever else and hot composting them.  It works better if you hack them up a bit first though, but I've been known to be lazy and just throw them in.  They still decompose.


As for rabbits vs chickens, I'd personally go with chickens so that I could use them as a garbage disposal.  But that's up to you.  I'm just not much of a rabbit guy.  I have ducks right now, and, IMO, chickens are more practical.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:07 | 4793787 New Ordnance
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Corn, beans and aquash are true companion plants in my experience. You need to use the vareties that do well in your area. I plant corn in rows, leaving gaps for squash mounds. When the corn is perhaps 6 to 10 inches high, I plant beans close to the corn, the notion being that the beans will climb up the corn. The growing season is too short for most pole beans where I live so we plant bush beans. It's important to chop out the grass so it doesn't choke the corn. You need to leave space to get in there with a weeding hoe. When the corn gets big enough to shade the weeds and the garden starts to look like a jungle, I just step back and let it go.

The squash and beans keep producing as long as you can keep them picked but it is usually so thick, it's hard to tell what's going on. Kids love crawling in there on their hands and knees to bring out huge squash. Beans and squash grow so fast, they need to be picked once a day. Be careful of rattlesnakes seeking shelter from the sun.

Yes it really works and can be incredibly prolific if timed right.

Some plants are not companions. Corn and potatoes for example do not do well together.

I let the corn dry in the field if possible and harvest after killing frosts but before hard freezes. Timing can be tricky depending on weather and critters. I go down the rows, pull ears, shuck and toss into a wheel barrow. Some help from friends at this juncture makes it go faster.

I plant Painted Mountain Corn which can thrive in marginal soils. It requires sources of NPK but not as much as regular corn. Instead, I add highly mineralized soil amendments such as kelp, Azomite, glacial rock dust and BIOZOME, the secret sauce.

"The secret ingredient that boosts the absorption of inorganic minerals is BioZome which contains a group of organisms called Archaea that accelerate plant mineral uptake resulting in hardier, mineral-rich plants that taste better."

More tips and extensive FAQ in "How To" at:

Bear in mind that there is no single right way in farming and gardening. Everyone eventually finds out what works for them through experience - success and failure. That's why it's important to actually plant that survival seed and gets some experience before your life depends on it.




Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:19 | 4793811 New Ordnance
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Here is the link to BioZome. I have been using it for years. I swear it does all they say it does and more.

It is the key to our success in growing crops in conditions that are beyond marginal. A little goes a long way.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 00:58 | 4794699 TheMeatTrapper
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Thanks for the link - I'm going to look into this. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 17:30 | 4793943 El Vaquero
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Bear in mind that there is no single right way in farming and gardening. Everyone eventually finds out what works for them through experience - success and failure. That's why it's important to actually plant that survival seed and gets some experience before your life depends on it.

It's really important, so I'm going to repeat it for everybody again:

Bear in mind that there is no single right way in farming and gardening. Everyone eventually finds out what works for them through experience - success and failure. That's why it's important to actually plant that survival seed and gets some experience before your life depends on it.


Last year was one of the most brutal years for gardeners in my area in a long time.  My neighbor, who's been gardening for almost as long as I've been alive was complaining about it.  Everybody in the nurseries was complaining about it.  As I stated about planting my corn in secession and starting early, there are two reasons for it.  1) I could have gotten away with replanting if a freeze had killed some of the corn, and I wanted some to mature as early as possible in case of some sort of weather catastrophe again and 2) There are different cultivars that mature at different times, and I want broad cross pollination.  Reason 1 comes from a lesson that you don't want to learn when your life depends on it.  In other words, New Ordinance and I are in total agreement on this.  Learn how to do it now if you are worried about supply chains breaking.


As for your short growing season, that does make it harder.  Just so that they don't cross pollinate, I'll probably be planting sweet corn around the 1st of July.  I'm finding that the ability to separate different cultivars by time is nice.  

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:40 | 4793133 American Dreams
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BPI, bringing the world that much closer to the Soylent era.  We are getting there folks.

Know your enemy


Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:50 | 4793163 813kml
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Soylent Pink just doesn't do it for me, they need to add some food coloring.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:21 | 4793235 NotApplicable
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Hell, they'll even extrude it to make it fibrous.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 16:37 | 4793845 Eyeroller
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Soylent pink is people!!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 18:40 | 4794085 813kml
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Soylent Pink is Teletubbies!!!

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:41 | 4793135 Winston Churchill
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Can I have some pink slime with my haggis, and blood pudding ?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:58 | 4793183 Lux Fiat
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Or authentic coq au vin. 

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:47 | 4793304 disabledvet
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My francois sucks too...fois gras is it? Mmmmm, mmmm yummy.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:41 | 4793139 Dr Benway
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Wouldn't the Fed actually be against the use of hedonics in this particular case, as such an exercise would presumably detail the lower quality of meat consumed? I.e. the opposite of desired effect.

Hedonics are attractive fedbait in areas where big gains in technology have been observed, such as TVs, since it artificially lowers prices.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:02 | 4793189 wombats
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Hedonics does not apply here.  They just use Substitution instead of Hedonics.  

Just follow up with an Aspertame loaded Diet Soda and give thanks for the wonderful economic recovery.  
Don't worry.  It's all good.  

Bon Appetit

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 11:04 | 4793194 Lux Fiat
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I think this is a case of the ends [financial repression] justify the means mentality.  And besides, Alpo is just a "high protein nutritional supplement".

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