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China Attacks, Sinks Vietnamese Fishing Vessel, Situation "Very Tense"
As if global investors needed another excuse to buy stocks, China has escalated geopolitical tensions to 11 on the Spinal Tap amplifier of seriousness. With over 70 vessels in and around the Paracel Islands - where China has provocatively placed an oil rig in disputed Vietnamese territorial waters - it was only a matter of time before the blue touch paper was lit. As Yahoo Japan reports, a Vietnamese fishing vessel has sunk after being rammed by a Chinese vessel and the 10 fishermen have been rescued. While Vietnam has not responded yet, the Coast Guard warned "the situation at the site it very tense."
- *CHINESE SHIP ATTACKS, SINKS VIETNAMESE FISHING BOAT, NEWS SAYS
- *CHINESE SHIP ATTACKS, SINKS VIETNAM FISHNG BOAT, BINH SAYS
- *LE HAI BINH, VIETNAM FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN, SAYS BY PHONE
“It sank,” ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh said of the Vietnamese vessel. “It was rammed by a Chinese boat.”
According to new information received, at 16 am on 26/5, the Chinese fishing boat collided number 11209 90 152 DNA sinking fishing boats of fishermen in South southwest of Da Nang, Hai Duong rig - rig by 981 and 17 nm , is a traditional fishing grounds, under the exclusive economic zone and continental shelf of Vietnam.
10/10 fishermen on board the ship Da Nang we picked and safe rescue.
At the time of the incident, there are 40 Chinese fishing boats surrounded unruly group of our vessels.
As Bloomberg reports,
Chinese vessel attacks, sinks Vietnamese fishing boat with 10 crew members yday, Vietnam News reports, without saying where it got the information.
Vietnamese crew rescued by other Vietnamese boats, newspaper says
Incident occurred about 4pm 17 nautical miles from China’s Haiyang Shiyou-981 oil rig, newspaper reports
Vietnamese ship DNa 90152 operating out of Danang encircled by 40 Chinese fishing vessels in waters Vietnam says is in its exclusive economic zone, newspaper says
Chinese vessel 11209 attacked Vietnamese boat, newspaper reports
Red line Mr Obama? Japan was quick to respond:
- *SUGA: PROMISED TO COOPERATE WITH VIETNAM ON MARITIME SAFETY
- *SUGA: PREPARING FOR MARITIME SAFETY COOPERATION WITH VIETNAM
Meanwhile, the two sides are also tossing verbal grenades...
Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry held a press conference on Friday when officials stressed the country’s historical claim to the Paracels.
“Historical and legal evidence shows that Vietnam has absolute sovereignty in the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos,” said Tran Duy Hai, deputy head of Vietnam’s National Border Committee.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang disagreed.
“Seeing that the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry held a press conference last Friday on the subject, I felt it was extremely ridiculous,” he said at a briefing on Monday. “The Paracels are the indisputable territory of the Chinese people.”
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I don't see this an anything else but another good reason to buy another market order of NFLX. S/P 2000! NASDAQ 4400!
Yeah....bullish..to the fucking moon....Zipperheads vs. the Chinks....
ATTENTION....ATTENTION....GOING LONG AND STRONG TOMORROW....
I AM CALLING THE FUCKING TOP.....THE LAST BEAR IN....
Get long on pop corn!
China is like the kid who derives pleasure by provoking helpless beings. Saddistic aholes.
Fight your size, aholes.
Following the lead of the US? Monkey see, monkey do.
The Russians in east Ukraine is hard for some people to swallow, but this "nine-dashed line" of China is really amazing in its audacity. Practically includes the beachfront in the Phillipines, Viet Nam, etc. If China gets away with this, we are beginning to see the future.
Dearest China:
Ramming went out of style during the Peloponnesian War; put away the water cannon and use the cannon cannon. You invented gunpowder FFS!!
Sincerely,
The Western MIC.
China = Predator
Obama's red line is more the color of pink slime.
Yes China... behave more like America!
Oh wait...
Kurtz must be pretty agitated right now.
"DROP THE BOMB! KILL 'EM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!"
I think that was...like...you know..."the real impertant pert of da flick."
like ther...ther...ther pert that "really hit home" about the whole wheely dealy.
"the 'nam."
"in color."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4hZmKj-CiM
Yeah, when the US bullying other countries, they usually pick a countries with the same size, like Iraq, Libya, Syria oh Vietnam too. Clooney Loony
Yeah, when the US bullying other countries, they usually pick on countries with the same size, like Iraq, Libya, Syria oh Vietnam too. Clooney Loony
Like Grenada, or Panama, or Libya, or Egypt, or Syria, or Ukraine. Okay, maybe not so much those last two.
see how you boys did that? Someone says something less than leg-humping complimetary about a foreign country, and quick like a bunny, without even knowing why, y'all jump in and mindlessly blurt out your obligatory "Thuh USA sucks too!!" chant. Just like that godlike figure, Teacher, *instructed* you to do all them years ago back in skuel.
Interesting. I guess it's for trained shrinks to determine whether your actions are more Pavlovian, or just the result of 12+ years of nonstop indoctriantion. Time will tell, I reckon. Well, carry on. Go on back to being cynical deep-thinking free-spirited rebels, marching in lockstep on identical paths to nonconformity.
they copied the factories, credit fuelled real estate and now they will copy the usa in waging wars.
Get long on pop corn!
Get what on who?...
Sending an email to my broker right now, going all in on twtr and fb
Get long on pop corn!
Who's long?
Chong's brother
That's Dong...
No, you're both Wong
Oh, I thought the Wongs were Cons?
the Wong Dong Go Long
Watch your mouth you ethnocentric bastard, zipperheads will be you in WW3, courtesey of a 30mm chinese projectile.
If the US gets involved militarily with fighting over every disputed rock in the Pacific Ocean, its national descent will hasten into a free-fall.
Almost like they are trying to sucker in the USN into their kill zone.
Read a novel similar to this somewhere.
Probably Tom Clancy. That guy had things figured out.
They know the US isn't coming. They just want to prove to all the countries in the region that the US is a paper tiger, so they better start playing ball.
Paper? You wish. More like a smoke tiger, or popcorn fart tiger.
popcorn fart ... +10
Golf clap
"If the US gets involved militarily with fighting..." they'll have to borrow more from China. Or is that Belgium now?! LOL
"My guillotine can lend you a head, I mean a hand."
Awaiting a lame comment from John Kerry...
Considering that the 10 fishermen were rescued and not shot to death I don't think John Kerry should actually say to much on this one.
But then again sadly this is John Kerry we are talking about...
"2004 Presidential candidate John Kerry was "unofficially credited" with killing 20 "enemy fighters" during his five months in Vietnam, according to military records released by the Democratic presidential candidate's campaign."
Secretariat of state John Kerry was unable to comment thru' his feedbag.
That's tea on the keyboard funny!! +10 for funniest comment this month!
Is Kerry running in the Belmont?
When did the Viet Cong invade the PX?
+1 for being funny too..
Did you know Kerry served in Vietnam?
I know that there is some pt109 story about him depending on the red reading or blue reading of history. I'm sure the Vietnamese will be begging to have him back.
Which side?
John Kerry?! Who is that?!
I know who John Kohn is. John Kohn is the Secretary of the DC US State.
What could John Kerry say that John Kohn can't?!
Everyone can be one, just convert. It might get you a job on Wall St, or make lieing and manipulating alot more fulfilling.
Get pop corn...
Like Viet Nam has a chance in a million to beat China?
Could be interesting. And short lived. The supply lines are much shorter.
They did it once in the 70s. And I believe that they have done it several times before.
But then this is more a game of dick-wagging any how. China is trying to show all around and the rest of the world who has the bigger dick in Asia now that the DC US is bankrupt and nearly dead.
Vietnam will come to some kind of agreement with China and that will be that. The agreement with them and eventually the Philippines will involve relinquishing the "rocks" and surrounding territory to China or a promise of joint development with China. I.e. PetroChina will be in the driver's seat instead of the west's petro companies. Sorry Haliburton, Exxon, Chevron, BP...
Putin is not the only ones playing chess against the checker playing DC US.
The US leaders in DC are not playing checkers...
They're too busy playing with their peckers.
These two have been fighting off and on for centuries...and Viet Nam is still Viet Nam.
Yep! Vietnam fought China for 2000 years and eventually won.
You mean beat China again?
fuck the gooks if they cant take a JOKE!
you sank my battleship, er, fishing vessel!
lol...the Chi-Coms have sunk a Vietnamese fishing boat.
Well here's a nation projecting some real global power...now its time to strafe a few bicycle rickshaws in Hanoi to really drive the point home ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNdtLURhj3Q
OMG LMFAO
Nice beaver ...
Yes, I know, I just had it stuffed. (4th clip in, I think)
Warning - hold NO LIQUIDS during viewing
[at least 10 greenies]
Epic Naval Battle No Doubt!
I've not yet begun to me love you long time!
They fought valianty swinging their treble hooks in the air for as long as they could.
Gulf of Tonkin - Take 2.
The first Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened:
“It was just confusion, and events afterwards showed that our judgment that we’d been attacked that day was wrong. It didn’t happen.” ~ Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense in 1964
Over 1,100 pages of previously classified Vietnam-era transcripts released this week by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee highlight the fact that several Senators knew that the White House and the Pentagon had deceived the American people over the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident.
https://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/gulf-of-tonkin-was-a-...
China can do that. The banks have been attacking the US for years and nobody does nothing.
Lets stay out of vietnam this time. My generation did not get much out of vietnam last time.
I disagree -- this is the perfect time. This time we can play the Soviet Union and use the Vietnamese to bloody a rival for the price of a few billion in weapons shipments and some intelligence-sharing.
Since we're following the Soviet's economic and expansionist policies, we may as well ape one of their few successful moves.
Thanks, "my main man"...My "shorts" should do well tomorrow!
Anyhow they both got it wrong. The oil belongs to the Dutch oligarchy; its owned by Queenie's Shell Corporation.
BTFD. Always BTFD
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-26/ukraine-s-eurobonds-extend-rall...
Do I hear $105 a barrell?
Big brother attacking South-West sibling.
Russia/Ukraine...Natgas going up for EU.
China/Vietnam...Oil going up.
Controlling resources...south-west style. How low will they go in this Russia-China trend ?
If the Vietnamese really want protect their borders they have no choice but to go in hard, even if it means the lost of some valuable millitary ships. If they dilly dally around and allow china to stay without having to defend there rig, then the choges have won. An armed millitary confrontation is the only way to send a stern message to china that they must negotiate regarding the Spratly Island etc.
Max
I've never heard that term: "choges"
I'd use it if it meant what I think it does.......
Choge, skinny, jihadi, etc... Means what you think it does. Usually denotes some indigenous person who is currently unarmed, reconning your site to come back and set up a hit later on. Damn fools like using their mobile phones! They think that we are culturally stupid and can't understand their language.
Interestingly enough, prior to going to host country, I get lotsa cultural immersion with language training.
Doom on them!
And yet usd/jpy sits a few pips below the 102.00 handle? Looks like big trouble in Asia minor.
What does Turkey have to do with the price of Yen in China?
What does dead "river pig" have to do with price of yuan in Japan?
My bet goes on the nation that does not use fishing boats to fight its wars. Kidnapped girls well that's a little harder to judge.
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Fight your size assholes
Looney_art
Are you referring to the USSA
China is already fighting the USSA on the economic front.
As for conventional hot wars, unlike China (who has fought the USSR, India, and the US), the USSA almost never fights its size - Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Grenada ...
Given the performance of the military in Korea and Vietnam, it's not hard to see why.
Love to see the Wietnamese sink that oil rig. Fun watching them play chicken. Looks like the Wietnamese blinked first.
That's ok, my alarm will go off soon and I can wake up from this danse macabre.
Nobody gives a shit. Give it a rest.
It's all fun til they ram you. A two (sorry) three front war with the lamest admin ever. Obama and Kerry OMG. And if you google his schedule you find he is wind surfing
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Yep, definitely no time to sort through/answer questions on Benghazi there ;-)
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him give a statement under oath.
Which VietNam is this? Are North and South suddenly unified against the Chinks? I call bullshit on this story. Just another act on the world stage.
Wakey wakey Rumpelstiltskin...
Reunification Day (Ngày Th?ng nh?t), Victory Day (Ngày Chi?n th?ng) or Liberation Day (Ngày Gi?i phóng)
.... It was the start of the transition period toward reunification, which occurred July 2, 1976 when the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam and North Vietnam merged to form the modern-day Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
The North ran over the South when we failed to uphold our promise to send in the bombers if the North advanced again on the South after we pulled out. Never trust a fucking politician. Was Nixons promise but he was gone and I believe it was Ford who turned his head in denial.
I think Nixon and Nobel Peace Prize winner Kissinger wanted to use nukes...
http://archive.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/16-03/ff_nuclearwar?...
Um, quit editing while I'm replying, huh? Rumplewhatthefuck, that's funny, but I am talking about people, not their 'leaders'. There may in fact be 'official' conflict between 'Nam and China, just as there is fake conflict between 'the west' and russia- but us normal people don't give a damn- there was never a real conflict between north and south vietnam... it was constructed. K?
That and Teddy Kennedy led the charge to cut the US funding for the South Viets.
I remember back then that an American Asian said Teddy got away with it because liberals don't really care unless it is blue eyed blondes dying. I disagreed with him saying it would have to be blue eyed blondes that gave him campaign money.
I wonder...
Did Teddy's and Dodd's "waitress-sandwich" include a blue-eyed blonde?
Gulf of Tonkin II????
Thinking the exact same thing for a while now.
I do hear the ryhming loud and clear...
That 28 day month in '79.
China tried, but after 25 years of combat experience, organization, booting not one but two empires out of their country and then toppling a brutal regime in Cambodia...the Vietnamese kicked their butts.
This is not the first time the Vietnamese and the Chinese have had a dance.
http://sinovietnamesewar.com/
They really, really, don't like each other. Vietnam's problem is that they don't belong to any alliance in that area. Though they'd really like to form one up with say Japan or India. They pretty much realize Obama isn't worth a cup of weak tea.
Every country in Asia hates every other Asian country, and hates the Chinese in particular. The Japanese might rival them for the hate crown abstractly, but the insular overseas Chinese communities within those nations keep the fires a little hotter, I think. They're called the Jews of Asia.
A lot of westerners imagine Asians crying out for one of their own to rise up and cast the Americans back across the sea, but this is not a good model.
Let me see, does the average American really give a rats ass who owns the oil in the south china sea? Hmmm.
Not enough oil there to even bother with. Fishing rights may be important but basically this is just theatre for chinese domestic consumption. Their bubble has burst, their Lehman moment has arrived, and they need a major distraction to take the plebes attention off how bad it is. Vietnam is in the same boat (yeah, pun intended) so this works for them as well.
I see this as the run-up to the overthrow of communism in both countries. Any way you look at it, communism is an abject failure. Just as in Russia, it's only a matter of time.
and adopts the US system of government, which has been working "so-well", right?
Did I say that?
Read what I just wrote, then replace the word "China" with "USA" and it's Zero Hedge Boilerplate.
You sure you're in the right place?
Just to clarify. First and foremost, I stand for personal freedom and the right of free association.
For all their flaws (and they are legion) any western nation you care to mention including the USA has more of both than any communist nation. That's a fact, not an opinion. Deal with it.
Things are a lot more complex than you seem to think.
To be persuasive in your argument for such a strong claim, you need to at least define "personal freedom", "right of free association", "any western nation", "communist nation", your standard of assessment, what constitutes "more of both". You need to explain why your standard (frame of reference) is better than others, and you also need to make an evaluation of each country in your list of "western nations" and then a similar evaluation of each country in your list of "communist nations".
Do you think the readers here would actually believe you have traveled to and lived in even a fraction of the countries involved long enough to make the kind of claims you are making?
Suppose I say that the US is more of a communist nation than China, or that China is more of a capitalist nation than the US. Can you refute my claims with clear cut evidence or arguments?
There are only 3 or 4 communist nations remaining out of the dozen or more that existed post WWII. The European ones are all gone. That in itself speaks volumes. The lack of personal freedom and freedom of association in those nations is well documented, as I'm sure you know.
As for the West, and I'm refering to the democratic nations of Western Europe and North America (sorry if that wasn't clear enough) again, the record speaks for itself. Only Fascist Spain (where I lived in 1975) failed the test, and that was gone by 1978.
Yes there are nuances, but there are clear differences as well. I don't need to make a list - three points should make my argument:
1. The right to form political parties. Non-existent by definition under communism.
2. Freedom of religion. Banned or state sponsored in most communist nations.
3. Formation of private capital. Limited or non-existent apart from modern China, which by allowing it (for now) is moving away from communism, but towards what? Fascism, by the looks of it. Wake me up when they allow competing political parties and free elections.
That's about all I have to say on the matter. If you want to refute it, go ahead, but be aware - this thread is already stale, so there won't be too many reading it - one of the weaknesses of zero hedge.
addendum:
for the record, nations and territories I've lived in or have visited in the past 35 years.:
UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, USA, Canada, Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, Thailand, Tahiti.
note Portugal was communist when I was there. It didn't last long.
Call me when they're launching nukes.
http://goo.gl/hiu7mW us military 'drill' 28km off kume a couple of days ago
In retaliation, Vietnam could launch a few missiles into some of those empty Chinese cities for effect.
10 fisherman on a boat that size is too conspicuous!
Just 2 willing gooks in a dinghy full of repurposed landmines will do. Kablooey, down goes oil rig.
The iPhone video showed a balding round faced man in a black suit with no expression on his face at the helm of the Chinese boat.
Short Long John Silver's.
this is a signal to short vix futures.
Don't wanna short VIX man.
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Well Damn, That explains it!! This is why Fuckishima is spewing rad water, To keep the chinks at bay, not working.
Back to my regularly scheduled programming, NHL Style.
Wake me when it all finally folds in!!!!
I have got to say looking at that photo the islands look closer to China than they do Vietnam if you conclude that Tawiwan is part of China. Observing the size difference (economic and military) between Vietnam and China I would say it is time for Vietnam to give this some serious thought.
An island's nationality is determined primarily by its cultural heritage. Thus islands just off the coast of Turkey for example are Greek by cultural and nationality.
The entire country of Vietnam has an unmistakable Chinese cultural heritage, far more so than the Tibetans and the Uighurs. In fact, many so-called Vietnamese are actually Chinese by ethnicity. One can tell the difference by their fair complexion and facial features.
Same for Laos, Korea (North and South), and Japan (whose language extensively incorporates Chinese characters - a reason why Chinese tourists never have problems finding hotels, restaurants, airports, and train stations in Japan).
"a Vietnamese fishing vessel has sunk after being rammed by a Chinese vessel and the 10 fishermen have been rescued."
cross-eyed captain sentenced to execution by chinese government.
:)
Hang on there Queeks Draw. ABC would disagree.
Vietnam Accuses China of Sinking Fishing Boatand USAToday
Vietnam accuses China of sinking fishing boatand even FOX
Vietnam accuses Chinese fishing boat of ramming and sinking a Vietnamese fishing boatAll baseless accusations. And a special thx to FOX for making sure no one gets the idea this was a military thing. Don't worry China, the American Media has your back.
China has more people than Vietnamese bullets.
The Vietnamese better get used to being annexed into China.
Doesn't matter, as long as they have ressources to make enough useless stuff for US consumers.
Classic! The Vietnamese get to use unexploded(Amerikan mines)) ordinance from 40+ years ago on the Chinese.
The same "Rif Raff" Mc Namera and Kissinger were protecting us from. <running in circles comes to mind>
Happy Birthday to Henry Kissinger! I hope he gets everything he deserves on his 91st.
....after all this time and all his crimes the only deserving present is the burning fires of hell....... papa I'm coming home.... burn motherfucker burn
The USA will defend Vietnam while Vietnam vets languish without treatment in VA hospitals due to neglect.
NO, the US will not, and cannot defend Vietnam. The US didn't even manage to defend South Vietnam against North Vietnam in the 60s when the US was at the pinnacle of its power.
Second, Vietnam is not being invaded by anyone. Disputes about some rocks in the South China Sea is not the same as one country making a claim for, and trying to take over another.
What the US can do is print more money or borrow more money from China to buy 100 or 200 destroyers at 5 or 6 billion each. If the 600 Billion price tag is unacceptable, then outsource the construction to China, where 2 or 3 Billion will do per copy.
Poor john kerry, he looks like an outside sales for blue-water security (global heatquarter in dc).
Btw, the news didn't tell what Vietnamese fishing vessel did before it was hit then sank.
Whereever china would expand, the landscape and nature will be destroyed. There is no respect or caring for anything else than profits. Whatever can get you nice hookers, thirsty cars and 3-4 extra hore-"girlfriends" on the side of your wife.
The chinese greed is not only disgusting, its totally destructive for our world. Name one spot that they havent ruined and posioned within mainland china.
US destroyed 'only' 95% of original coastal redwood trees during its industrialization. SF bay area even has a city called Redwood City (but no redwood trees), redwood trees you see now are mostly human-planted in last 100 years.
Gold only down $10 on this development
"China blasted Vietnam for taking "dangerous actions" at sea today as the two countries traded accusations over the sinking of a Vietnamese fishing boat in disputed waters in the South China Sea." The China story is that the fishing boat rammed the oil rig. The Ministry of Truth has already banned the internet users to not report the story.
This will backfire as all arrogance and hubris backed by power at the end of the day has a sell by date.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/second-seal-world-war-3/
Because USA does this and that, Russia and China have all the rights to invade Crimeea, Ukraine, Georgia or any other neighbour or do whatever they wish to weaker countries <strong>if they use the secret enchantment "USA does it too"</strong>.
Ah, and Vietnam is a well known USA puppet, of course.
Looks like it more Chinese BBQ time. Kick all the fuckers out. Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam!!!
Two forces at play. First, a growing China is desperate for oil, they have almost none. Second, China's leaders need to rally nationalism for their masses to stay in power as their economy iver indebted and with increasingly corrupt beaurocrats.