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Fighting Resumes: Ukraine Jets, Helicopters Strike Seized Donetsk Airport - Live Webcast
Ukraine didn't waste much time after its presidential election, which appears to have been won outright by the chocolate tycoon Poroshenko much to the humiliation of once frontrunner Tymoshenko, to resume its military operation in the east. Early this morning, the newswires blasted that Ukraine warplanes have carried out an airstrike against pro-Russian separatists at the Donetsk International Airport.
- HELICOPTERS, EXPLOSIONS SEEN IN AREA OF DONETSK AIRPORT
- SEPARATISTS CLASH WITH UKRAINIAN TROOPS AT DONETSK AIRPORT
This happened after forces belonging to the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, which proclaimed its independence from Kiev last weekend, came to the airport demanding that Ukrainian troops leave it. The self-defense troops said some 200 Kiev soldiers were guarding the inner perimeter of the hub. All flights have been suspended.
A cllip released showing the Ukraine Su-27s flying over the airport:
At the moment, the attackers are said to be engaged in talks with the Ukrainian forces locked in the key airport of Donetsk region, which also serves Kharkov, Lugansk and Zaporozhie regions.
Here is the brief recap of events as summarized by Bloomberg:
- Helicopters and planes seen, explosions heard in area of airport.
- Airport building on fire
- Paratroopers started clearing airport grounds after separatists ignored 1pm deadline to leave: Ostrov website
- Troops destroy anti-aircraft weapon used by terrorists, local 62 newswire writes citing armed forces press secretary Aleksey Dmitrashkovsky
- Ukraine using air strikes against rebels: Russian state-run RIA Novosti
A Ukrainian official says the military has launched an air strike on gunmen who have occupied the airport in the eastern capital of Donetsk.
Vladislav Seleznyov, a spokesman for Kiev's anti-terrorist operation, wrote on his Facebook account that the military presented an ultimatum earlier this afternoon to unknown armed men who had occupied the airport to lay down the arms. He said the gunmen didn't comply and the military launched an air strike.
Hundreds of pro-Russian militia have seized government buildings and fought Ukrainian troops for weeks as their leaders have declared independence.
According to RT, "intensive gunfire and blasts have been heard in the vicinity of Donetsk International Airport in eastern Ukraine, and two fighter jets are flying over the facility, witnesses and self-defense forces said. The Ukrainian military are bombing the Donetsk airport, self-defense forces reported on Twitter. Earlier, at least three helicopters were seen flying towards the airport.
“The Ukrainian occupiers are conducting missile and bomb strikes on Donetsk International Airport. They are deploying military aircraft,” the message said.
"I have heard at least three blasts. Helicopters are circling over the city and military jets can be heard flying by," witnesses told local daily Ostrov.
“The fighter jet is supposedly a Sukhoi Su-27,” a self-defense member told RT. “It’s flying at an altitude of 7-10 km, going up and down, circling. Its task is unclear."
“Helicopters land at the airport, then take off,” the witness said.
Mobile connection was also down at some point, the witness added, saying Kiev’s authorities also demanded civilians are evacuated from the airport terminal’s vicinity and the landing field.
The airport has been closed “for security reasons”, and Reuters witnesses are seeing smoke billowing from the building.
Locals share photos of what they see around the Donetsk International Airport:
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This is happening even though earlier in the day Russian foreign minister Lavrov explicitly said a resumption of hostilities is one of the conditions which would prevent a return to a formal dialog:
- LAVROV: UKRAINE RESTARTING MILITARY OPS WOULD BE BIG MISTAKE
- LAVROV: RUSSIA READY FOR TALKS W/ GOVT IN KIEV, POROSHENKO
At least the spoos like it.
Here are the live webcasts from Donetsk:
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So I'm guessing now is not a good time for my summer vacation to Donestk.
http://www.e-news.su/politics/12150-prozrachnye-vybory.html
election info in ukraine....a sham..
Its one ballot paper, this was confirmed yesterday.
Donetsk airport stream
http://t.co/ezeU76U7iu
Sml, is this how it works on russian tv ?
http://www.rferl.org/content/russian-tv-announces-right-sector-leader-ya...
Live Video from Donetsk via ANNA News Feed
Don't buy a used Lexus
David Stockman wrote on Zero Hedge, May 17, 2014, in Bill Clinton’s Epic Double-Cross: How "Not An Inch" Brought NATO To Russia’s Border that one of the factors contributing to the power apparatus of the U.S. Warfare State’s machinery and its aggressive encroachment on Russia is Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
The site you are referencing is Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. I quote:
“Poroshenko has been a consistent supporter of Ukraine's integration with the European Union, and he gained public sympathy when Russia embargoed his Roshen chocolates in a trade war targeted against him. When he was foreign minister, Poroshenko advocated Ukraine's NATO membership, although he did not make that position part of his presidential campaign.”
http://www.rferl.org/content/profile-who-is-petro-poroshenko/25397992.html.
Writes Stockman:
“So the only platform that would make any difference in the future is the “dismantlement platform”. That is, a campaign to: withdraw from NATO and liquidate it; shutdown entirely obsolete institutions like Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, the National Endowment for Democracy and the military and civilian aid bureaucracies; drastically curtail the NSA/CIA/DIA/spy state apparatus; and, of course, drastically demobilize and defund the Pentagon’s machinery of power projection and wars of invasion and occupation.
“Absent a dismantlement of the Warfare State machinery, giant policy errors like the Bill Clinton’s double-cross on NATO and Obama’s foolish present confrontation with Putin are nearly guaranteed to recur.”
This just in:
APe. Somewheremadeup, The Ukraine
May 39, 2015
- Today it was reported by imaginary sources that soldiers, sailors and people of the United Party of Youth, Order the Ukraine Rebellion and Sanctity (UPYOURS) were meandering about enjoying fresh croissants and double lattes provided by the American undercover bastard soldiers in exchange for sexual favors when mercilessly attacked by A-10 Warthogs in Soviet markings, disrupting the entire exchange between staunch allies. On participant, an enraged Misha Meathagerooski was quoted as saying "Those fuckers are going to pay for getting the coffee stains out of my slinky, the bastards." Another, who wished to remain anonymous but gave out her Facebook page as "#Skanksalot, said it was bad for "Bidnezz, bitchez'.
Meanwhile, Premier of the Russian Federation of Whateverthefuckiti'scalledanymore, was aroused form a deep sleep when confronted by an angry telephone call from the French ambassador to Morocco who was on a jaunt to the St Petersburg Museum Shoppe with his 18 year old niece, who wished to discuss the future of the French Russian caviar trade as exempt form upcoming EU meaningless sanctions, opened one eye and was said to have said, "Nobody cares what the French think."
In Washington, nobody could be found amongst swirling rumors that the president and his closest members of the Discoparty were flying between somewhere they'd reportedly been and somewhere undisclosed with a short stop in between to onload additional party supplies.
Nowhere was it more evident of the beleaguered embattled Putin than when he reportedly was taking his morning dump and heard to be moaning loudly.
Didn't the MSM fearmonger the public enough to start bombing Libya because Qaddaffi had the potential to use his air force against insurgents?
So yesterday it was US proxy Japan, Today it is US proxy Ukraine.
Tomorrow it will be Israel proxy the US.
On an on.
By the way, a very interesting question never satisfactorily answered by Israel, why does it call it'self a state and not a country or nation?
The State of Israel? Is not good!
Proxy wars for proxy people.
That ain't no proxy ORI. These missiles are gonna start flying and we're talking scorched earth.
Those Russian and Chinese subs will start sinking commercial ships soon too. That will grind world trade to an instaneous halt as Japan gets quarantined and America ponders whether to break the blockade or not.
:-O
The war is real, the opponents are the proxies.
India is curently a mystery. Which way will she be leant? Or perhaps a great resurgance towards....civilization? World domination? Hindu Raj? Half of Britains superwealthy are Indian/Pakistani.....
Hah....what-ever the script is.
Anyways, the world's a stage my firend, blood's real. I get your point.
I agree. "This is when the veil is torn." But historians in the West are still grappling with "just what was World War II" still.
Folks looking for some type of repeat simply have forgotten even the most horror of the entire reality of it.
Methinks if you got a close up of Syria right now you'd get at least a clue...but that's paddy cake compared to Normandy...let alone the Eastern Front.
Hey Is it a good time to go Long on the Shipping Stocks? They have been dogs since 2007.
If so, the Baltic Dry becomes the Baltic Wet Index?
Compared to Russian it's a model of democracy.
There's a reason why in russia it's not even called "elections", it's called "voting." Why? because while you vote, but you can't elect anyone because everything already been pre-elected for you.
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Fixed it for you.
Fuckhead.
You also forgot to mention the justice department sanctioned vote fraud of blackies being allowed to vote 20 times without reprocussions. Don't like the words coons, then find me a similarly desrciptive word I can use that offends you less.
Just explain if and why Ben Carson would or would not be allowed to vote for a red candidate 20 times. Besides that, most of the pictures of voter fraud suspects I've seen are of whites. Regardless, white, black, asian, or hispanic they all do have something in common - they support people like Holder and Obama.
It aint the color you retard. Hitler and Stalin were white. Tojo, Mao, and PolPot were yellow. Mugabe was black. Evil comes in all colors. I think you need to look up ideology and learn what that means. You will have much better luck in judging a man's character by that than by his color, penis size, or height.
What the fuck are you smoking? Are you denying that Russia is a fucking kleptocracy where voting is a sham, or are you just deflecting from the obvious fact of it by conjuring an equivalence with America?
Too many people are invested in that perception. The fact is both systems are rule by corruptocrats but nobody wants to admit that their posterboy is just as bad as the others. Some people just need to believe in something that isn't true because they cannot find the strength within themselves.
"Putin will save us all!" I wonder how rich the richest man in Europe would be then.
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Weed.
No. Are you?
better worry about your own country,
cos you are a complete dumbass about Russia
You know nothing about this subject
media dumb you down much?
It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin
Got that right considering how many millions did"nt vote in the east
You sound like Doug Casey.
nice jets!
I went to the Jones Beach air show yesterday, it resembeled a war zone, looked alot like Donestk!
while draging all the shit we bring to the beach from the parking lot we where confrunted with a TSA check station. they took our beer and red bull, i didn't understand the confication of the red bull, i got no reason when i asked.
all the buildings had armed militery on top and patrols on the beach. i felt like i was in a third world country, then realized i am.
this is what we've come to? let them take our rights without question? All the sheep i went with asked what i was getting all worked up for. Whats happening all over the world is comming to a town near you.
You surrendered your beer without a fight?
I don't think it is easy to "splain sumpum" to TSA Thugs....
When their checkpoint gets mowed down by one of their own hum-vees, then they'll get the picture.
Next they'll march the participants into barbed/razor wire enclosures and tell them the wire's there to keep the rabble out.
For some reason, I had a flash of cheerleaders with pom-poms and barbed wire chastity belts.
Rorschach that...
Strange...
Gimme an F, gimme an E....
You paid for the jets at the airshow.
You paid for the armed thugs on the rooftops.
You paid for the unreasonable search and seizure.
Quit complaining.
You got everything you paid for.
Sushi
IM a tax evader, ever see good fellas?
"You surrendered your beer without a fight?"
i wasn't going to end up face down on a splintery board walk for beer!
besides the concensions sold beer. Whodathunkit!
"besides the concensions sold beer"
Hence the reason yours got confiscated. Can't cut into the profits of the $10 8oz beer in a red cup.
Mmmmm, Obama Red Ale .00001%ABV.
Must protect the racket. Next thing ya know things will really get out of hand with people taking their own popcorn to the theater and such.
Come on the TSA guys were thirsty.
Badabing? Badaboom!
Quite the contrary. There are great deals at the hotels. Also, the chicks are probably dying to get out of there.
No but its a GREAT time to go to Crimea, seriously one of the prettiest places in Europe.
Yes Crimeans are still celebrating
"Attention airport patrons: 'There's no parking allowed in the strafing zone.' Repeat..."
Kerry needs to remind them it's Memorial Day.
Kerry is too busy applying ketchup and having licked by Buffett.
The catalyst for war has not been diminished as many people have hoped it would once the world matured. National pride, political agendas, religious and ethnic hatreds are some of the biggest roadblocks to world peace. Often we seem to forget as we look back to World War II and past a dozen "lesser Conflicts" that peace has been the exception rather then the rule for hundreds and thousands of years.
The true reality is that across the world few mothers want to see their children killed and most farmers want to be left along to raise their crops and earn a living. More on the subject of war as a solution to conflict in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/war-and-what-is-it-good-for.html
We ain't seen war like this 1945....and believe me when a I tell you, only Western Europe and the USA and Russia saw that war you ignorant phuck.
We are more than capable of destroying all life on earth using conventional means...it would be nice to think that would deter conflict but not this go around.
Something tells me that Poroshenko has chocolate factories in the East and that he doesn't want to lose them.
They are not dropping chocolate bombom's
Get elected president and then make the decision to have your military bomb your own people, all in a days work...unless of course he didn't make the decision and he's just a figurehead. Seems an odd move so soon after an election, why not at least try to spend a few days making peace or at least giving the appearance of trying?
I want to know which imbecile would junk a perfectly sane sentiment like that?
Actually, no you really don't.
You are probably right.
I do think that in the spirit of FC, down and up should be shown. I'd happily let a person know I did and equally happy to 'splain why!
New Puppet President same as old coup Puppet President. USA USA USA, must see more dead civillians in the streets, gotta make it look like America.
He makes money off the bonbons.
I'm sure he has figured out a way to make money off the BoomBooms as well.
WilkieWonka's drone fleet is just getting started. Sigh. I had hoped that not having the psycho nutcase as president was going to be a positive sign.
Desperation in the morning - smells like jet fuel.
NATO is struggling to figure out if they should provide Makeup to the troops or guns.
Nothing is diferent, nothing has changed. What matters is how much either side moves to enforce their position. What is happening in Ukraine and the unrest in many areas in the world brings into focus the many conflicts that develop when a region decides to change governments often outside the recognized democratic system of voting.
In some cases even after an overwhelming vote such as in Crimea the whole process is called into question. Unfortunately the American civil war did not resolve the issue of succession forever and definitely was not a template for a solution that should be used in countries across the planet. Bottom-line many in politics are slow to give up control and this will not change. More on this subject in the article below
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.html
When will GOLD rise????
Never, Willie Wankers new Chocolate Factory makes gold covered chocolate coins that replaced the tungsten ones....
dropping bombs is the answer to russia, I don't get the upside to that..does kiev want a real fight? why?
apes may eat your face, but then they are apes.
Watch out for that Lexus sign.
Yats and Nuland do not like the election results. They like chaos instead of voting and laws.
Not to say they're getting their 'last licks' in.
This is NUDELMAN's fucking doing. She probably told Poroshenko that if he wants his willy wonka billions intact, he better do exactly as his western advisors instruct. These are dark times we are entering, fucked up times to be sure, and our own govt is now the evil instigator. The masses are blind and misguided. This is like a bloody catastrophe movie.
The Zionist Tribe does not simply want dominion over Ukraine, they WANT a military conflict with Russia, if Russia totally backed off and gave Ukraine to the West they would simply open a new Front against Russia somewhere else.
Getting obvious to all,they NEED WWIII, and they need it now.
Whatever it was that broke behind the curtain last year, cannot be hidden much
longer.
They need a continuous war I think. Exercises don't destroy material fast enough.
Wars are good at population reduction also.
Plus, this is WWIII continuously ongoing since 1991 for sure, since 2001 in earnest...
I agree that covertly it has been going on.
Now they need it overt and hot, maybe fusion hot.
Its hard to fathom the psycophath mind, without being one.I deal with all the time(have for
40 years) so I know more than most.
Always happy to have people pounding the table for war with Russia.
Don't forget China too!
George W Bush did fly fighter jets Democratic Party! What did you do in the war again?
Obviousy its a World War, look at where the American troops have been fighting, literally ALL OVER THE WORLD, these last fifty years.
This time the chicken may come Home to roost. Able foxtrot roger.
Your wife that rough on you? levity! Though now im curious what industry you reference
Strangely enough , I had to deal with them as clients of my engineering business
long ago.From Robert Maxwell thru' the owners ofall the UK soccer clubs.Even Elton John was
at least sociopathic,a total control freak.
Now I look after their psycopaths mansions here in Florida.Just can't to get away from them.
Hey, WC, you said a few weeks ago that you were lucky enough to be in three different countries when civil war broke out. I was wondering if you could tell us which countries? People are angry enough and divided enough here that I'm concerned that I should know what to look out for.
Said unlucky I think.On refection maybe I should have said violent regime changes.
Probably a semantic difference only.
Afghanistan,Iran, Bangladesh.
Yikes! And I was being facetious with the word lucky.
The culture of those places maybe makes them not as useful for a comparison to what's going on in the US, but there is a building tension here that feels like it will be horrendous when it does snap. There is no real promise of a better tomorrow from the government, so when people demand a better life, which the government will promise and has promised, what is going to happen when the government does not live up to its promise? This has been going on for a while, with our so called economic recovery. The promises have only been kept in jest via SNAP, SS, etc... In the mean time, we're being subjected to increased violent policing, spying, corruption etc...
Edit: Because of my imprecise wielding of the English language, I feel the need to clarify. I mean that the government has made promises, but they are not real promises, i.e. they cannot deliver forever.
There are those, and then there are trends and cycles, undeniable, people like Hitler and Stalin are produccts of their times....
One big roiling wave of connectedness actually.....
I think the world is going to have a cognitive snap when they finally have no idea where to pin the blame on all kinds of henious shit being done in their name and with their money.
The race is not against Orwell (already lost that), now it is against Huxley. Wayyyy more insidious.
Like this:
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/the-pharmacopic-scam-lies-exp...
I know you understand unlike all the rest of clowns here. "By definition these matters are not in the control of anyone."
Once the cycle of violence begins it's just a question of how organized it gets.
I am of the opinion that if we don't get a big war between nation states going soon, WWIII will be a mass of civil wars across the globe, CIA meddling or not. Look at Argentina, Venezuela, Ukraine, Greece, Spain, MENA, etc... There are reports that point to the Chinese people being angry too, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of anger in India. Hell, there are videos of people throwing Molotov cocktails in Chile. I have personally witnessed the beginnings of civil unrest in my own hometown. It seems like the whole world is ready to burn.
Agree, there definitely is that energy all around.
Stretched fabric....
Either there will be another massive super quake somewhere soon or big fighting, something to vent this build up.
Modi's victory and victory margin has really polarized India, people forget that there is always the 53% of th enation that did not vote for him.
fascinating to watch....
Apparently it hasn't changed much since Plato
To paraphrase Plato, strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught iniquity, and anyone that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
We would rather forgive the evil proliferating all around us than the rebellion against it, which we mistake for the true evil - Arno Gruen (Betrayal of the Self)
Very true Dub and interesting how it's all been said before.
Kind of like Kong Fuzi (Confuscious) and the Rectification of Names in 500 BC.
Cycles, rhymes....
"Fighter jets bombing Russians isn't good enough you say?"
You might want to get a gun first mr Foreign Minister.
Putin offered an olive branch, and this is his answer.
I think Kiev will be facing Chechen 'volunteer' brigades, in addition to having the gas cutoff,
sooner rather than later.
WWIII is still on for this year..Never let an anniversary go to waste.
What did Ukraine ever do to the Chechens?
The Chechen president is Putin's go to guy.Most Chechens were happy to get rid of the Wahabis contary to
western opinion.
I didn't know Ukrainians were Wahabis.
Ever been to Saudi Arabia before? Or any other Muslim country for that matter? They were great people when I was there...best people I ever met actually...folks in Thailand and Burma were awesome too. I had no gun, no "State" sponsorship...nothing. Me and my backpack and a beat up pair of flip flops.
Great time...I'd go back in a heartbeat and would look forward to it when the time comes. Just watching "the usual suspects" start something I find simply too incredible to even be believed boggles my mind.
Simply put I'm just trying to make sense of it.
The militant Wahavis had taken control of Chechnia.SA certainly have been.Did a lot of biz there.
My family has been heavily involved in MENA since the 1860's.Long before oil was found.
Had a lot of honorary arab 'uncles' growing up.Went to school with some of their sons.
They are great people, different for sure,but just human like us all(psychopaths excluded)..
Exactly
unknown to west is many "ukrainans" western pole areas fought with the Wahabis.
this is exposed some to those who follow alternative and Russian media.
On the payrol Mercs.
Another not much exposed is that there were female sniper from Ukr and baltic KIA in Chechen 2nd war.
Same as Georgia one ukr female sniper kia confirmed and second also according to civilians.
If this keeps up one must think the pressure will start to build on Putin to intervene wouldn't you say?
Can't see any movement before the D-Day anniversary, but will he do as the West did and move during a major sporting event?
Would he really want to ruin Brazil's coming out party? One would suspect he'd have great reluctance?
Can't imagine the Brazilians being too thrilled if World War 3 destroyed their big month!
You are not paying attention. The Russians like the results of the Ukrainian vote, and will work with the new President.
The Russian Ukrainians who are looking to fight the Ukrainians are Ukrainian Mafia. They are not Putin's Mafia. The Ukrainian Oligarchs backing the Russian Ukrainians will hang their own people out to dry.
Putin is not coming into this "fight". His people are not committed. Involvement is one thing. Commitment is another.
Words used to describe Apposing Parties to Ukranian Military in one article:
separatists / terrorists / occupiers / rebels / attackers
hmmmm..... sounds like a lot of different organizations or the propagandists are confused
I find the labels separatists / occupiers / rebels quite factual, from the Point of View of the Ukrainian Military
terrorists... that label is constantly being misused, to the point of becoming meaningless
how about patriots? specifically, Russian Patriots?
Patriot is for most a neutral to mildly positive term (at least when it's about your own side)
though it's all a matter of degrees, imho. a Russian patriot boycotting Ukrainian presidential elections is one thing. preventing others from voting... a different one
getting voting boxes out on the street and destroying them... reminds me of the fascism of books being burned on public squares
then the fascists of old were not against books, only against those they did not agree with
and this is the strangest thing about Russian culture today. it's strongly anti-fascist in theory and history, yet in practice, fascism in the most classical sense is exactly what the Kremlin is skirting, up to the public downdressing of oligarchs, or their incarceration
the difference between (classic) fascist Corporativism and (classic) liberal Corporatocracy lies exactly there: in the first, the fascist leader forces both biz and labour to compromise, in the second, corporations get all they want
Ghordius, you are special man. Seriously.
And as I heard in that Burning Man Documentary, just remember, it's not your fault....
It's not your fault ;-)
Dude...you need to get your game face on.
There is no turning this off. The violence is spent out of me for a reason. The energy level of the War Mongers is indeed quite impressive...but if they'd ever seen a combat unit for real they'd be screaming at them for not moving...let alone "moving fast."
That's what a real combat unit looks like. SLOWWWW.
Don't even get me started on the "thousand yard stare."
Obviously Bullish. Good for a .40 levitation before the market open tomorrow. S/P 1930 by Wed, 2000 by next week.
LOL!
Putin left those fuc*ers in Donetsk "hanging"... and they realize that soon they be literaaly left hanging by their necks from the lighting poles. Since border checkpoints are blocked, their last chance to escape is to hijack a plane. There's a reason why they always cover their faces liek common terrorists. Becasue that's what they are!
Victoria is that you??? fancy deciding to call yourself "b_thunder"
When I called you that it was just after you dropped that huge dump and the sound reverberated around the cabin. It nearly caused an avalanche!!
Vicky, you give reasonable head but next time I suggest you take your teeth out.
Does this mean "McCinsaine" got his way over the weekend with more covert U.S. funding for the next layer of treason for both Nation(s) to begin?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c25_1401024270#DAZ6JKlmfjw61k21.99I am watching the European Markets crash in respons to the news that fighting has erupted again. Especially the FTSE
Fonz,
Footsie is closed today, bank holiday and its raining.
Footsie closed for spring bank holiday Fonz.
Hah! well I am quite the asshole. Will make sure to down arrow myself. I was scanning marketwatch and thought I saw a headline about Europe ripping higher, especially the FTSE
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/europe-stocks-higher-led-by-atos-italia...
Is the Dax open or am I totally losing it, because someone emailed me about the DAX moving up.
(in my defense I said nothing about the weather, although I'm sure I would have got that wrong as well)
If I were Ms Tymoshenko I would thank God I lost that election. This is a real war and I really don't think a couple hundred thousand dead in Ukraine...including tens of thousands of Americans who are at the vanguard here...is out of the question.
The US Navy had better start sinking Chinese Naval vessels soon before their nuclear Navy ends up at the bottom of the Ocean in the Pacific "with nary a shot fired."
These folks mean business...we deal with the folks who started these wars in due time. Needless to say they won't be the ones finishing them.
I feel for the sons and daughters of US citizens out there...but hey, the only 1 percenters out here for the last twelve years are the ones who've been fighting this "fun war against the Taliban."
Choco King is put in then hell break loose, the CIA back troops in the western part will disobey his orders and in 4 months another election by that time the people will be more prepared to move to the right.
Remember the NWO need puppets to blame, choco king will be blamed for the mess that happens. After the next 2 elections then a hard right wing guy will be put in. Then we will see fireworks.
Blame? Von Monstein was fired many times by Hitler. That didn't stop from slaughtering a couple hundred thousand more.
needless to say, if this western puppet oligarch was voted in fair and square by the ukrainians as reported, then they will get what they deserve. didnt the fucked up activity of ukrainian soldiers firing on their own comrades and killing civilians ring some alarm bells in their heads? did poroshenko buy voters off? events dont seem congruent here.
Poroshenko (like Obama) was vague about his election promises,
mostly offering just a "hopeful" impression that he has peaceful intentions.
Call me a cynic, but I am not at all convinced that his public persona is his true one.
In any event, the Kiev military/security organizations are headed by Right Sector appointees,
and Poroshenko will have difficulty asserting control of them, even IF he wants to.
the book on him apparently is that he flips like a tossed coin. everything I've read on the guy shows that he changes positions constantly and subsequently nothing he says can be taken seriously.
this of course is very bad for the Ukraine, perhaps even more so than halving a hard core pro Moscow or pro NATO president as at least all interested parties would know exactly who they were dealing with and could formulate a strategy based on those expectations. now they have a man who appears to be ardently pro western but his inconsistency does not make him a trust worthy partner for either side.
of course this will be hardest on the Ukrainian people who will have to suffer years of political deadlock and civil war as there is nothing to indicate that Poroshenko has the savvy or the will to get right sector under control or eliminate them entirely (politically I mean). so long as they hold power in government they will have the ability (with the continued support of the state dept) to bring out the pro maiden anti Russian crowd in the streets of Kiev the second he does something the nationalist, neo Nazi's don't approve of. but hey, at least he will have plenty of people to blame when things get worse, in at least that one way I'm sure he will make an excellent head of state.
Heh, sort of like price discovery?
Agree. Poroshenko is the vague, non-committal grey mouse that squits up the middle. He's a stooge.
The Ukes fell for the "Hope & Change" rope-a-dope, and it turns out that they were the gutless dopes who will continue to be ruled by psychos and sociopath. They get to keep working if they have a job, get to keep "getting by" and they get to keep praying to some imaginary/non-caring "Guy-in-the-sky" -- the ultimate "Hope & Change" -- while no decent change will comes about, unless they get off their asses (like the people in Donetsk, etc) and actually DO something.
There comes a time when you have to stop feeling sorry for such (a)pathetic people, and just change the channel.
/Christ, watching Cramer on CNBC can be more inspiring than this lot in Kiev! /sarc
All I see is more dead bodies.
"This is not the election you are looking for. Move along."
"This is no the election we are looking for. You can move along now!"
update
Poroshenko does not want to pursue a peaceful settlement, but wants Kiev forces to ruthlessly attack.
"Hopes that Poroshenko’s election would mean serious negotiations to settle the issue seem to have been misplaced, however, as the president-elect has ruled out any negotiations with anyone affiliated with the People’s Republics, dubbing them a “bandit state.”
Poroshenko insisted no civilized state would engage in negotiations with such factions, declaring them “murderers” and “terrorists,”"
http://news.antiwar.com/2014/05/26/ukraine-president-elect-no-talks-with...
The whole point here is to turn Ukraine into another smoldering, sometimes raging, dumpster fire on the perimeter of Russia and China, astride energy shipment routes if not on top of energy and resource deposits. Any nation so situated, with exploitable divisions in the population, will do.
Meanwhile, AFRICOM is paying its way. After decades of annoying the West by aspiring to become a regional leader, now Nigeria is being pushed closer to "inviting" US/EU/IMF soldiers to fight Boko Haram, who have mysteriously gone from being a rabble of illiterate desert-dwellers to suddenly having sophisticated weapons, explosives, and a network spanning the Sahel region of Nigeria, Chad, Niger, Mali, etc. No doubt the regional "Al Quaeda" distribution center in Libya has something to do with that.
While Americans worry about Kim Kardashian's prenuptial haircut and the House votes to prevent the Pentagon from addressing what it considers to be the greatest threat facing America's national security over the next century, the Resource Wars are hotting up in earnest.
Yup. And don't forget that in a few years the oil/gas pipelines will be coming "Out of Africa", to provide Europe with the energy it needs, and to make the Russian supply meaningless.
If the USD can hang on that long, it's "tits up" for Russia, because they will be beholden to China, while the Neocon boa constrictor tightens on them. IMO, Russia and China (the BRICS, actually) have less than a year left to make a major economic move to expose and break the Fed.
And their PR machine needs to ramp up to an incessant and relentless "Who exactly in Brussels has that kind of money, to keep buying USTs that no one else is?"
We (the USA) will take the Capital.
That would be Moscow for all you home gamers out there.
Sounds crazy I know...but "the propaganda defies description" this go around.
From my experiences with the US staff officer set "they don't do rhetoric" when it comes to Russia and China.
Well, I can only see either what I'm intentionally shown, or things nobody cares if I see. I can spot trends and patterns, and use inductive and deductive reasoning to fill in the blanks, and I can consider what the missing puzzle pieces must be to make it all make some kind of sense. But that's all backwards-looking.
The brilliant, if diabolical, part of what I see as US strategy is that many parts of it work better if they appear to fail. People talk a lot about the "failures" in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc., and the chaos in Yemen, Pakistan, Ukraine, Sudan, Somalia and other places, but it seems to me the "failures" and chaos are intentional. It's a global game of ding-dong-ditch, with flaming bags of dog poo on every doorstep. The only parties who can act and use the resources are the best-armed and able to mount overseas campaigns, and that's us.
The global petro-dollar is very important, but we all know it's a fiat ponzi scheme. What if the BRICs do try to do an end-run around it? Perhaps next we drop the pretense that our Empire is about abstract financial schemes, and get right to the guns; ours and those who rely on us.
That's why I'm so interested in what Europe is really going to do re. Ukraine and Russia. Right now, they're dependent on Russian energy. But Syria shows how serious the scheme is to run gas pipelines avoiding Russia, as does the unfolding scheme in Africa, prepping the way to raze the course needed to transport energy directly north to Europe. Stoking the fire in Ukraine drives a wedge between Europe and Russia, with the US foot on both their necks. I've never been enamored of Putin nor thought Russia was anything but a mess sitting on top of a lot of resources. I wonder what efforts are currently underway to exploit and lever the potential divisions in that huge land mass, to realize Brzezinski's dream of splitting Russia into 5 or 6 much smaller and dependent nations.
Any strategy has to account for unforeseen developments and outright fiascos. The key is to contain them, or to be nimble enough to take advantage whichever way things fall. The risks are high and unpredictable. To take on a course like that, one must be convinced that to not take on such a course would be worse, and the potential benefits are worth it. Or they're crazy, but I hesitate to assume that.
I'm long gardening, getting rid of debt, having my own tools, and fixing up and maintaining what I have.
In many ways, the world looks like the results of the Ukrainian election. The USA is way out in front as Number 1. The problem is there is no serious Number 2. Germany will take that role, now that China has embarked on a course of action to address the upcoming internal dissention.
If the USA and Germany work well together, and both respect each other's point of view, things should progress swimmingly.
Keep in mind that the USA "owns" Deutsche Bank.
Britain sees it's future as a Sharia Compliant Banking Nation.
Here in the Netherlands i clicked on the ilve stream and i first got a commercial for Côte d'or chocolate.
Kind of fuck you poroshenko !
Again "get your game face on." THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
This is all PTB activity for a much larger purpose.
Do not be deceived.
Good to see Ukrainian army in action finally. Election is over, gloves are off. I am sure those russian and chechen mercenaries who came to Ukraine to fight are regretting their decision every minute of the rest of their sorry lives.
Let the downvoting begin - I am used to it here.
OK, here is the first one. By the way, dude, can you let me know what your idea of the world is - the one where Putin rules? Trust me, you do not want that. Or, would you rather see the right-wingers get over Europe? OK, by the way, why are you so much against Ukrainian right-wingers in that case?
Read up of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.
"This is not about politics but a body count." That's the only thing the folks at MSNBC will be reporting on from now on until they start puking blood.
"Victory is to be quantified." Simply put "we will count our way to victory."
And all those folks on that television show will do the counting for us. They will put up a stat and say to the American people "today out soldiers killed this many while the opposition lost this many more" just like Robert McNamara did everyday during Vietnam.
military ops have been going on in the east for months now,with very little success, so this is nothing new and has zero relation to the recent election. as far as the gloves coming off, all Kiev is doing is trying to hold a strategic asset, this is a defensive, not offensive operation as Kiev military personal were already stationed at the airport but were forced to retreat when the pro Russian forces showed up to expel the government troops. the outcome for now is still obviously in doubt.
much of the fighting in the east is being carried out by the newly formed national guard and not regular Ukrainian army which has proved unreliable on more than one occasion.this is the armed wing of the fascist, neo nazi right sector, not exactly the champions of freedom and justice, it's not even clear how much control the political body outside of right sector really has over them.
I don't think this is as simple as cheering for the "peace and freedom loving west" over the "evil pro Russian empire" east which for some reason you seem to have a hate on for. this sadly has the makings of a Syrian style disaster thanks to to much interference from to many outside powers.
and while Moscow has a natural, expected and legitimate interest in what happens in the Ukraine for obvious reasons, Washington had no business meddling to the extent they have and has only succeeded in making things worse with there one dimensional, myopic actions.
and it is the common people of the Ukraine who will have to live or die with all of it.they will carry the heaviest regrets before this is over.
1. You, Sir, are rather misinformed about what is going on in Ukraine now. Starting from the Right Sector being a nazi organization and the extent of the National Guard participation. A number of facts in your post are correct, but overall your assesment is wrong - the situation is far from Syrian. As a Ukrainian, I get the news from various sources in three languages. Your move.
2. Once again, as a Ukrainian, I do not want my country to be within the Russia's sphere of influence. Looking at the election results, most Ukrainians would side with me on this one. OK, an alliance with the US is needed to achieve this, so be it. You, Sir, have no business telling me about the "legitimate interests" of Russia - let them deal with their North Caucasus first before something else blows up on their territory.
Well said, the US could give a rat's ass about the people in Ukraine who's lives they are toying with stemming from psychopathic lust for power. Just like they couldn't care less about America lives. It's the Wolfowitz doctrine and the Grand chessboard that is in play here.like a cornered rat they will have to be dealt with in a similar way.
Prediction: Ukraine will get "Poroshenko'd". They will get screwed up the choco highway.
Cause that's what sociopaths do to passive, scared or lazy people. It's pure Darwinism.
The same applies to the USSA. Plan and act accordingly, 'Mericans.
p.s. Many here like to "Europe bash". In Europe's defense, at least they got the balls to do something about the state of things (are holding Independence referendums and have more than a Two-Card Monte of political choices). Europe has had a ton of wars against oppression since 1776 or the US Civil War. So their experience and willingness is alive and well.
In the USSA, by contrast, we got what... "Bloggers"? Oh yeah, we also got millions talking big while cowering in their homes with their collection or arms, but too damn scared to go out and even protest. Sorry, but until 'Mericans start marching or voting for Independence, you don't get to "Europe-bash", you cowardly hypocrites.
Not fun to admit, but you are on target.
Nicely said. Very "truthy"!
the fat milky bar chocolate kid of kiev as spokenon
The one from the tribe is chief of rebel-government in Kiev and now the second one from the tribe should be a president. The tribe organized it through Nudelmann.
Their idea is, that Slavs will fight Slavs.
The idea that Slavs will fight Slavs is straight from the Kremlin.
That is the stupidity and shortsightedness of Princess Putin.
Russian State Media was directed to concoct this narrative of Kiev being "a nest of Nazi Fascists" and now I ask you Jano:
"how do you walk back from that CRAP?!"
You Russians have made your cousins in Ukraine into despicable enemies. Now what? Kiss and make up?
After you took a huge chunk of their land 'cause you could, what have you really won?
My advice to you: Fire Princess Putin. That act might start to ease the ill will you have created for yourselves. The sooner you get your head around this, the sooner the fog of the last several months will lift. It will hit you like waking up from a long drunk.
By the way, Russia banned sales and production in his Russian chocolate factories, Will they release the ban now?
This I gotta see!
Grenade Launcher Versus SU-27
its just another day in paradise
Damn, my vacation plans always get ruined. My fall back is Bangkok. I think Malaysian Air flies there.
this can't be good, I don't think Russia will allow this to continue
I see Russian movement, I see miscalculation by the US
I hope a US ship isn't involved, remembering the disabled ship that was harassed by Russian jet
Ukraine will now clear the traitors from its land and then get to the job of building a modern democracy with ever growing properity.
Poland will be its model. Rooting out Corruption must now be the top priority.
Good luck to you, Ukraine.
Thank you. Slava Ukraini - Glory to Ukraine!
Looks like Ukrainian forces have had a good day today. Good luck to them tomorrow, and Puck Futin
I see this has touched some nerve here, so I will rub it in for ya. Over 100 separatists KIA today, according to various sources. Head of Donetsk People's Republic ran away on a Mercedes.
Unconfirmed officially by Ukrainian government.
can't help thinking
the more they rub it in
the more they will get stomped
long way to go yet, we are just in the opening stages, the main player has not made an entrance yet, just the bit players and they don't matter.