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Memorial Day 2014: Just Following Orders
Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,
Large-scale evil requires surrender of autonomy, coercion by a central authority and a willingness to follow orders.
There is evil, and then there's organized evil. This is a memorial outside the village where my brother lives in the south of France. It is a typical village, quite small, perhaps a few hundred residents. The memorial commemorates three young French civilians who were taken out and shot by Nazi soldiers, either for "crimes" of resistance or perhaps as a "lesson" to the restive civilian populace.
The German soldiers who pulled the triggers were of course "just following orders."
Evil must be resisted, corralled, vanquished. Interestingly, people don't need to be forced by a central authority to resist evil, though their efforts will prove more successful if they band together and submit to a competent authority of their own choosing. This is the basis of the "good war" or "just war."
But to be part of large-scale organized evil, people need to surrender their autonomy under threat, and be ordered by a central authority.
This is the origin of the Nuremberg Defense: I was only following lawful, Superior Orders when I murdered those French civilians. The soldiers who followed the orders would have been punished had they refused; coercion is always the backbone of central authority.
Hannah Arendt wrote about the Great Evil, Nazi Germany, and "The Final Solution" of death camps in Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil. The Nazi machine spewed plentiful opportunities to practice the banality of evil, and the death camps were simply one division of the daily grind of pressing one's palms on evil and passing it on to the next "good German."
The routine killing of civilians went on day after day; it was the "day job" of the occupying troops.
Those inside the central authority know, of course, but very few are telling, because the see-saw is just so imbalanced in a system which depends on lies and the distortion of truth to continue its domination.
Truth-tellers will lose their prestigious position, their generous salary and the acceptance of their peers, and perhaps their lives. In exchange for this sacrifice, the truth-teller receives only the glowing, ephemeral shards of his/her integrity: in the current zeitgeist, that literally has no value. The machine will grind on without them, impervious to the tiny pricks of truth; the machinery of propaganda, artifice, misdirection and misrepresentation is well-oiled and masterful in the reach and scope of its operation.
In this context, it is worth watching The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellsberg was only one of thousands of "good Americans" doing their job in a war machine built entirely on lies and propaganda. He was one of a handful of citizens out of those thousands, or tens of thousands, who was willing to trade his career for his integrity and conscience.
The Vietnam War was "sold" to the public as a "just and necessary war" that they had "chosen" via their elected representatives. But it was all lies, propaganda and coercion, crowned by the profound cowardice of an elected leadership unwilling to risk the loss of perquisites and power.
Ellsberg had given excerpts of The Pentagon Papers, the secret and oh-so-dangerous unvarnished truth about America's involvement in Vietnam, to various members of Congress; all but one did nothing. Only Rep. Pete McCloskey (R) thought the American people deserved the truth. (McCloskey is a decorated U.S. Marine Corps veteran of combat during the Korean War, recipient of the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, and two awards of the Purple Heart. He published Truth and Untruth - Political Deceit in America in 1972.)
Perhaps the American people would have chosen to sacrifice their youth and treasure on what it had concluded was a "just and necessary" in Vietnam, but it never got the chance to learn the truth which was the necessary foundation of any such decision.
That's how the banality of evil works. When truth becomes too dangerous to the Status Quo, it must be strangled every day, by tens of thousands of people, and its limp corpse hidden away.
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Freedom in Amerika, simple:
Torture
Illegal Wire tapping of Americans
Criminal UNITED STATES CORP. INC. Fraud
Illegal wars of Aggresion
Criminal CIA / State Dept. arming, funding & training of terror organizations
Criminal CIA drug running & $ laundering through the TBTFBanksters
Criminal Obamacare
Bengazi
Lybia
Syria
Ukraine over throw of Soverign countries
False Flags of 911, Sandy Hook, Boston Bombimg
Criminal IRS attack of political dissent
Is that all?
There's always more. Writer omitted quailfiers "to include, but not limited too" and "in no particular order whether of intensity or depth of crime."
Looks like a fresh one in Kalifornia. Witnesses report there were TWO (2) people in the black BMW!!!!!
Well worth the read on Memorial Day (for all that have died at the hands of tyrants)
What I Have Learned From the Twentieth Century, by Mike Vanderboegh
With thanks to Schoolmasters Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot
From the Liberty Pole
June, 1999
by Mike Vanderboegh
As an amateur historian of this sad century whose time is almost up, I would like to reflect upon six lessons I have learned in my studies. Folks who wish to live free and prosperous in the next century would do well to understand the failures of the past.
LESSON NO. 1: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and take you someplace you do not want to go because of who you are or what you think -- kill him. If you can, kill the politician who sent him. You will likely die anyway, and you will be saving someone else the same fate. For it is a universal truth that the intended victims always far outnumber the tyrant's executioners. Any nation which practices this lesson will quickly run out of executioners and tyrants, or they will run out of it.
For more check out the other 5 lessons:
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/vanderboegh-classic-w...
Of course, CHS mentions Vietnam, because he doesn't believe anything particularly evil (i.e. inside job) occurred on 9/11.
A bit of a blindspot, Charles.
He also forgot the ABC(?) special in the field interview with Col. David Hackworth (one of just a few "heroes" on my very short list) in 1972. Hack wrote a number of books that I cannot recommend highly enough.
This is why we as Americans need to stamp out any vestiges of tyranny in the world with help from our key allies such as Israel. We need to strengthen our influence around the world, especially in developing countries, so that we can change it for the better. There is a lot of darkness and evil in the world, but America and its allies have the power to change the course of history for good while building strong and lasting relationships with the rest of the world that will foster enduring peace and stability for our children.
I thought large scale evil just required a bad diet
they do feed us crap
Hey, that Ellsberg fella spilled the beans. Maybe there's hope for the rest of the zion abandoning its thousands-year long quest of enslaving the entire gentile population. Perhaps they actually do mean well despite the past and current misery, death and destruction the globe has been subjected to In their quest for world domination. Nice viewpoint, mdb!
edit- after we all get thrown in camps and the fema guards ass rape and water board me, could you give me your little pep talk again?
Of course, there's no mention of the purposeful "evil" bombing and killing of millions of innocent Germans (Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin, etc...) carried out by the "good" guys of WWII. These heinous acts of murderous barbarity far outway the totality of all German "reprisal" killings that may have occurred during the war. (And even after the war, the purposeful killing, raping and starving of literally millions of innocent Germans and their collaborators continued for many years.)
And many of the bomber crews who carried out the terror raids against civilians were also quoted as "Just following orders".
Just trying to add a little balance to the one-sided descriptions of "evil".
As a side note, it's interesting how any person or group who dares to defy the money powers throughout history are the ones instantly branded with the "E" word.
Yes, of the two hundred well documented genocides in the twentieth century,
only the Germans are guilty.
But the French and the Jews were doing their level best to impoverish and starve Germany in the thirties.
Reality Bites, and many refuse to learn.
Yes, and also no mention of the French executions of Germans for (as the author says) the crime of "resistance" after WWI ended- after all, Albert Schlageter and many others were evil because if a German resists it's bad but noble when a Frenchman does it.
No double standard here at all.
You hit it dead center, "defy the money powers".
there's no mention of the purposeful "evil" bombing and killing of millions of innocent Germans (Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin, etc...) carried out by the "good" guys of WWII. These heinous acts of murderous barbarity far outway the totality of all German "reprisal" killings that may have occurred during the war.
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The bombings killed millions of innocent Germans? That is some 'american' hype for the 'american' war machine.
As to matching the german killings, Poland was enough to offset by far the result of the mentioned bombings.
But, hey, 'americans' wont let facts in the path to rejoicing fantasy.
Check this one out.
Few have heard of this.
http://www.samarthbharat.com/bengalholocaust.htm
The very last people who should be given power over others are those that want it.
the cattle are lowing,
the Baby awakes.
but the little lord jesus
no crying he makes.
Kurt Vibbegut jr!
slaughter.house five
Brown noser!
MDB
you are correct ...that is the THEORY of America. Unfortunately the country has taken on some of the characteristics of badly behaving countries.
uh, wordlens much?
franc-tireurs=snipers.
I suppose for the sake of the narrative it's not too important
wether the poor bastards were civilians or resistance fighters.
here's a better one: picnicking near a cemetary near the somme
in the summer, I looked at the inscriptions on the tombstones.
Most read "died on the field of honour", or "for the glory of France",
but there were at least a couple that read:
"here lies Mr. X, savagely assassinated by the Bosche."
anyways. that was the horror of war.
we're not anywhere near that now.
Yes, and he didn't miss the chance to yet again reinforce the Evil German meme. A careful anayisis of the facts will show that German soldiers in the field did not behave any worse than the any other and better than most. The most evil killing machine in history was Stalin's USSR but it usually gets a pass for some reason.
oh HELL No.....Chupa was just scratching the bloody fucking surface....the list is too fucking long....
Unfortunately, the truth ranges from classified all the way up to top-secret information. If you want to be promoted, you can't tell the truth without losing security clearance.
"False Flags of 911, Sandy Hook, Boston Bombimg"
Sandy Hook, home of Suzanne Collins who wrote Hunger Games.
Hunger Games director Peter Rodgers, whose British born son Elliot Rodgers just did a stabbing/shooting event in Cali.
Another SSRI and alphabet agency psyop?
Absolutely...The only screaming is about guns, not much mention of the three that were stabbed before the shootings.
Sandy Hook is flat out weird.
Answer national school safety consultant Wolfgang Halbig's 16 questions:
1. Who on 14 December 2012 was the Incident Commander as required by the Federal Emergency Management Administration in directing the Mass Casualty Shooting Incident at the Sandy Hook Elementary School?
2. Who and Why did they not request the Life Star Helicopters knowing that children and school staff are seriously injured and clinging to life?
3. Who and Why did they not allow the Paramedics and the EMTs inside the Sandy Hook School to treat any seriously injured children and school staff clinging to life?
4. Who declared all eighteen children and six school staff members legally dead within the first eight minutes? [NOTE: Two were claimed to have been transported to a local hospital before they died. The purported shooter, Adam Lanza, and his mother, Nancy Lanza, are not included in this count.]
5. Who was the Certified Environmental Bio-Hazard Decontamination company contracted by the Newtown Public Schools to remove gallons of blood, skull fragments, brain tissues, bodily fluids, blood soaked carpets and decontaminate areas inside the Sandy Hook School?
6. Why does an off duty Lieutenant from the Newtown Police Department refuse to leave his off duty work assignment at a construction site on 14 December 2012 after hearing that shots have been fired at the Sandy Hook Elementary School?
7. Who at the Newtown Public Schools notified all of the parents in writing (as required by CT law) that had children attending the Sandy Hook Elementary School as well as every school staff member every school year of all the potential life threatening chemical hazards? [NOTE: The school had high levels of lead paint throughout the entire school, Asbestos in the ceiling tiles and floor tiles, asbestos in the insulation and, most of all, the school had a very high levels of PCB. Check out what PCB is and it should scare any parent.]
8. Who provided the urgent medical care for the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?
9. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times–as many as 3 to 11 times–since they did not allow the paramedics and EMTs inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School?
10. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury Trauma Center not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?
11. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary School on 14 December 2012?
12. Who was the police officer calling into the Newtown Police dispatcher stating in his words that he has multiple weapons, he has a rifle and a shotgun and who has the rifle and the shotgun as the chain of evidence should show that was found in Classroom 8?
13. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt Vangehle at 9:45:21 am on 14 December 2012 from the Newtown Police Department after finding a kindergarten female child in the hallway make her go into Classroom 8 and leave her? That was a gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff. Who would do that?
14. Why would two CT State Troopers enter Classroom 10 at 9:55:31 am on 14 December 2012–which was a gruesome crime scene with dead bodies of children and school staff–and tell a kindergarten boy who they find in the bathroom whose name is redacted and tell them so it must be more than one to stay and they will be both back when it is safe?
15. Who ordered the porta-potties that showed up at the scene of the crime about three hours after the event?
16. Who ordered the twenty-six Christmas trees that were stored behind the Firehouse on 14 December 2012 and then brought out to be decorated to commemorate the twenty-six reported victims?
Yeah, real odd. I applied Occam's Razor to that event. Psyop.
Edit: I am surprised that Halbig isn't pushing up daisies in a field somewhere.
When we are unable - through law, obfuscation, lies and deceit - to verify basic information then it's just a story.
Psyop? Makes as much sense or more than anything else.
"When we are unable - through law, obfuscation, lies and deceit - to verify basic information then it's just a story."
...or another conspiracy theory.
The nays have spoken...not another conspiracy theory. LOL
Why was there no internet connection to any server at this school since 2008?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/15/sandy-hook-elementary-school-clo...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/16/sandy-hook-and-the-real-robbie-p...
I was just reading about that...
“He was always a disturbed child." Really auntie, no kidding?
"Relatives had expressed concern about Rodger’s health after he posted a series of disturbing videos online - but no action was taken after officials ruled that the young man appeared to be fine and was “polite and courteous”. Mr Brown said he refused to "second guess" his officers' decision." Well, it certainly helps if the psycho you're talking to is “polite and courteous”, its not like he would be trying to hide anything from you.
"However, in a 137-page document that has now been published, Rodger reveals that if police had searched his room during their visit, they would have found incriminating evidence indicating his deadly intentions." What?
"In it he details his fear that “someone had somehow discovered what I was planning to do” and vows to be more careful in the future.
Rodger writes: “The police would have searched my room, found all of my guns and weapons, along with my writings about what I plan to do with them. I would have been thrown in jail, denied of the chance to exact revenge on my enemies. I can’t imagine a hell darker than that. Thankfully, that wasn’t the case, but it was so close.”
He continues: “It was all because of the videos. I must have expressed too much anger in them.
“I immediately took most of them off of YouTube, and planned to reupload them a few days before the Day of Retribution.” Now there's some first rate police work right there, no doubt about it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-killings-elliot-rodger-was-described-as-polite-and-courteous-during-welfare-check-by-police-9432530.html
The welfare check got me..yeah, nothing happening here.
411:
US eastern seaboard is under a radcon alert level 5, something blew on the 24th and no one is giving answers anywhere. But I also don't believe anyone is aware of it judging by agency reaction times (non-existent). Those in NY state on the other side of the mountains 'should' be fine because if you are on the right side of the jet stream (upwind) or north side of the mountain range. Those in the metro areas from DC to NH, keep an eye on yourselves.
I was thinking it was a deviation but it's been climbing steady for a couple of days, there doesn't appear to be any source of the radioactivity spike for the eastern seaboard and the jetstream is south western. So this might be multiple nuclear plant failures happening simultaneously which is entirely possible with the lack of maintenance done and the grid over loading them for summer time AC needs.
If anyone was out over the week end, you got a lung full of it now, Good luck.
https://www.netc.com/
Wow, was reading a blog a few days ago where the author warned to "not be down wind from NYC" and that Sandy Hook was supposed to have disarmed everyone in the region by now. Somethng wicked this way comes....
LOL! On a scale of 1 out of 10 on weirdness, collectively we're only at 0.0000018 out of 10 without batting an eye.
Wierd, because it didn't appear to drift in from the west. I'm always watching netc and those high levels just popped up a few days ago.
Only time it happens from checking them over a couple of years is when a nuclear plant goes three mile island and there's been a few of them over the past ten years thanks to lowest bid supply arrangements and a lack of science grads with the skills to perform maintenance.
What a mess...
Start simple boycott Heinz ketchup. Work up to Boycott of Starbucks and Ipads.
Boycott the bank (s), and USD.
Even simpler start......
Get rid of the TV.
pops
Did that 15 years ago.
Definitely a good start.
We could all learn a little something from Jonathan Dymond who lived in the 1800's. His book on the causes of war is relevent even today. He says this about war and those that wage them:
"But I believe the greatest cause of the popularity of war,… consists in this: that an idea of glory is attached to military exploits, and of honor to the military profession. Something of elevation is supposed to belong to the character of the soldier; whether it be that we involuntarily presume his personal courage, or that he who makes it his business to defend the rest of the community, acquires the superiority of a protector; on that the profession implies an exemption form the laborious and meaner occupation of life. There is something in war, whether phantom or reality, which glitters and allures; and the allurement is powerful, since we seen that it induces us to endure hardships and injuries, and expose life to a continual danger. The glories of battle, and of those who perish in it, or who return in triumph to their country, are favorite topics of declamation with the historian."
I'm a vet of the Vietnam debacle, one of the great regrets of my life. The best thing we can do is not encourage our children to join the military.
" I'm a vet of the Vietnam debacle, one of the great regrets of my life. The best thing we can do is not encourage our children to join the military. "
Really ? Then here is how you take a BIG step forward in that direction.
Burn down the Federal Reserve and threaten with death any politician who even THINKS about reestablishing it. Then round up the top twenty heads of the banks, try them in court, sentence them to 20-life with a minimum of 20 years, forbid them if they are still alive from holding a position in any bank, financial institution or political office for life, and strip them and their families of all assets.
Otherwise, we will still offer up an economy which encourages young people that the only way out of their wage slave hell hole life and the only hope for upward mobility is to join the elite's Death Machine....which is how the elite's have ALWAYS been able to acquire their personal version of Utopia......while leaving us with Hell and dead children.
"If you're not fighting, you're not doing anything".
Days of Future Past.
Prolly applies to Fight Club also.
Bah, humbug! "Freedom in Amerika" means "Freedumb!" Freedumb to shop till you drop on Memorial Day.
Go out and ask somebody what the day means to them and how they're observing it. If you want the truth, go to the mall or car dealership: There's your 'Memorial' Day answer! The only thing these people 'remember' is to buy stuff they want (cause the TV commercials said so), but don't actually need and can't afford. The Retail sector workers get to "observe" it by being at work -- so they can trade their irreplaceable time for very replaceable fiat currency.
yeah, supporting the economy and buy buy buy is considered patriotic
and this: http://rt.com/usa/160832-ndaa-gitmo-detention-approved/
Just Following Fiat.
Do ya think the fact that we are in 20 fucking WARS around the world that the VA may be overwhelmed??? There's no excuse for burying documents but holy shit the fucking wars. Do you think we will ever declare one..And why the fuck do we still have 50,000 troops in Okinawa,,, reminds me the jap solders that where still in caves in 1950 if you recall.
despite the VA, much of the "costs" are born by the states with these never before returns on tour of duty along with the regular "experience" bringing home physical and mental injuries that overwhelm states systems
When war is declared by congress, those votes are recorded for posterity. Usually after vigorous debate and direct dialogue with constituents. Then specific war taxes and bonds are imposed. These funding mechanisms are enforced till the war and it's aftermath, such as medical care for wounded veterans.
We freedom and peace loving Americans would never tolerate such actions by our poor elected officials. They simply can not be burdened with that power. That war making and taxing power should be given to non elected, shadowy, unaccountable NGOs. You can support these hard working super smart folks by making a tax deductible donation. It feels good when you do this to pay for the care of a stray rescued house pet, without having to actually care for it when in poops in your house. So it should feel good to know that sane intelligent people like Howard Hughes and the bushes have created a system that makes you feel good about getting your freedom protected without being forced to pay for it.
/snarc
The extinction of the human spices is coming,,we have really fucked things up this time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNNYtm2XJGc&list=PLS-vggvJAbM0I4lhiofcVGMQmnCgjw4gl
Moar truth tellers, less sheep please.
I wish. It's likely to be - Moar printing presses and promises to pay.
A brief history of war since World War II:
And yet very many Amerikans serve to die for the all mighty cause. I guess stupidty lies with the very notion of being too inbred.
Long on Casket and Tomb Sone Manufacturers.
Long on Hookers and Blow
Short on everything else.
I down arrowed you because your stupidity is inbred.
How did you get the priviledge to spout the drivel you just said out loud?
The world's biggest bubble is the American Mind.
....that implies a pressure exists in the cranial area rather than a vacuum
And what gives them the power and authority to practice murder and mayhem? The Law and their ability ot interpret it in any manner they choose. The American state is the police dog of the real ruling elites. We may pay the price someday for their depredations. Which is why they set it up this way.
Second, CHS, give the nazi holocaust crap a rest. Didn't happen as chronicled and lied about by Israel. The Nazi's committed far less war crimes than Britain and the USSR, but then Britain and the USSR were on the winning side. People should read, "Witness to History" by Michael Walsh. When lies are told long enough and often enough, people tend to believe without any real research.
£250 MILLION A YEAR FROM SLAVERY
According to Members of Parliament at the time, 130,000 German prisoners-of-war are held in Belgian camps.
THE UNITED STATES
At Dachau, "Three hundred SS camp guards were quickly neutralized." - U.S. General Dwight D. Eisenhower
The term neutralized of course is a sanitized way of saying that the prisoners-of-war were rounded up and machine-gunned in groups. An account of the mass murder of German prisoners-of-war at Dachau has been described in at least two books; 'The Day of the Americans by Nerin Gun, Fleet Publishing Company, New York, and, Deliverance Day - The Last Hours at Dachau by Michael Selzer; Lippincot, Philadelphia
These books describe how German prisoners were collected, placed against a wall and methodically machine-gunned by American soldiers. While some were still standing, hands raised in surrender, American soldiers casually climbed over the still twitching bodies, killing the wounded. Whilst this was happening, American photographers were taking pictures of the massacres, which have since been published.
Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies the casual mass murder of prisoners-of-war by whomsoever; not even the allegations of 'gas chambers at Dachau' which have since been disproved, even by Jewish 'holocaust' researchers.
1,000 PRISONERS-OF-WAR SLAUGHTERED A YEAR AFTER THE WAR'S END
Note: The 'Nazi war criminals' are in fact German prisoners-of-war, who had never been tried or found guilty of any crime.
"At Dachau in the American zone of Germany, a shock force of American and Polish guards attempted to entrain a group of Russian prisoners from Vlasov's Army who refused to be repatriated under the new American ruling.
"'All of these men refused to entrain,' Robert Murphy wrote in his report of the incident. 'They begged to be shot. They resisted entrainment by taking off their clothes and refusing to leave their quarters . . .
Tear-gas forced them out of the building into the snow where those who had cut and stabbed themselves fell exhausted and bleeding in the snow. Nine men hanged themselves and one had stabbed himself to death and one other who had stabbed himself subsequently died; while twenty others are still in hospital from self-inflicted wounds. The entrainment was finally effected of 368 men." - Douglas Botting, In The Ruins of The Reich, George Allen & Unwin, London
1,200 GERMAN POW's STARVED TO DEATH
S.S MEN JEER AMERICANS INVOLVED IN ATROCITIES
Warning: graphic violence!!!!!!!
The following is an excerpt from an eyewitness's account given by Leonora Geier (born, October 22nd 1925, Sao Paulo, Brazil) to Dr. Trutz Foelsche, Ph.D, the original account of which appeared in Deutsche Nationalzeitung, No.17-65, p.7.
This documented and authoritative account was not an isolated act of barbarism carried out by Russians and Poles. It was one small incident of many thousands recorded, being part of a predetermined allied policy that had as its aim the destruction of Germany as a competitive nation; territorial dismemberment, deportation and genocide to reduce its population.
A painful read, Sean7k.
I had nightmares after reading that piece. Perhaps if we truly understood the horrors of war, we might be willing to not participate and say no to those whom so freely create monsters and madmen, while they murder and abuse the rest. This is the result of government and Elites acting in concert to carry out policies for the control of global slave populations.
When we celebrate, vote or accept their rule, we are giving our support to their tyranny. It all begins when we say, "o.k."
Maybe we should ask the poles if they prefer being exterminated by communists or nazis????
"This documented and authoritative account was not an isolated act of barbarism carried out by Russians and Poles. It was one small incident of many thousands recorded, being part of a predetermined allied policy that had as its aim the destruction of Germany as a competitive nation; territorial dismemberment, deportation and genocide to reduce its population."
The Nazis killed 20 million Russians. You left that part out.
Citation please. The Bolshevik jews killed 35 mllion Russians of which the holodomor was only a part http://www.holodomorct.org/.
"Citation please. The Bolshevik jews killed 35 mllion Russians of which the holodomor was only a part"
You are so funny Sean. The Nazis killed 20 million Russians.
"The Bolshevik jews killed 35 mllion"
Communists are atheists.
No citation? Just bullshit? That's all you got? The "Controversy of Zion" documents the number of bolshevik jews in the Soviet power structure. Whether they were atheists or just liars is for you to decide.
"No citation? Just bullshit? That's all you got? The "Controversy of Zion" documents the number of bolshevik jews in the Soviet power structure. Whether they were atheists or just liars is for you to decide."
As i said, there are lots of citations from JFK comspiracy propagandists, that it was anybody but Oswald. The list of people who are supposed to be the real killer of JFK is quite long. Saul, Sarti, James Files, Roscoe White, etc., etc. I can cite Jim Marrs doubt that Billy Lovelady was the man standing in the depository doorway, instead of Oswald. Lovelady and the people next to him said it was him, not Oswald, however. The hairline doesn't even match Oswald.
Citations by propagandists don't mean anything.
The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed was written long before JFK died.
Try again...dipshit.
"The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed was written long before JFK died.
Try again...dipshit."
So? Holocaust deniers and lone gunman deniers use the same propaganda tactics.
You mean the Kosher Bolsheviks murdered 30 million Russians.
"You mean the Kosher Bolsheviks murdered 30 million Russians."
Communists are athiests.
Well, the Jewish Bund (and Kuhn Loeb & Co.) directly sponsored and supported the rise of Bolshevism (rather than 'Menshivism', which really are just propaganda terms for the competing factions at that time). One wanted a communist state run by 'professionals' (the Bolsheviks) the other wanted broad community participation. Couldn't have that. Much harder to control millions of people, than it is to control a handful of carefully selected and trained puppets, like Lenin, Trotsky et al.
"This documented and authoritative account was not an isolated act of barbarism carried out by Russians and Poles. It was one small incident of many thousands recorded, being part of a predetermined allied policy that had as its aim the destruction of Germany as a competitive nation; territorial dismemberment, deportation and genocide to reduce its population."
The Marshall Plan
"Sixteen nations, including Germany, became part of the program and shaped the assistance they required, state by state, with administrative and technical assistance provided through the Economic Cooperation Administration (ECA) of the United States. European nations received nearly $13 billion in aid, which initially resulted in shipments of food, staples, fuel and machinery from the United States and later resulted in investment in industrial capacity in Europe. Marshall Plan funding ended in 1951."
The VW bug and VW bus became popular vehicles in America.
Sean7k, read The Liberator by Kershaw. He interviewed the G.I. that took the film and video at Dachau. Remember the photos of the boxcars with frozen bodies? Turns out they were more victims of .50 cal. strafing attacks on trains.
"1,200 GERMAN POW's STARVED TO DEATH
"After the U.S victory (the battle for Remagen Bridge) Germans in the Rhineland surrendered en masse. Between April and July 1945, some 260,000 German prisoners-of-war were held under American guard in the boggy fields between Remagen and Sinzig. They were kept in the open air and their daily ration was one potato, a biscuit, a spoonful of vegetables and some water. Racked by disease, at least 1,200 died"
"Racked by disease, at least 1,200 died." That is not starving to death, as the heading claims.
"Second, CHS, give the nazi holocaust crap a rest. Didn't happen as chronicled and lied about by Israel."
What I never understood was how this inflated tale has served US, British and Soviet propaganda needs. It serves Israeli purposes also, but not exclusively. That's what I previously didn't understand. The persecution of the Jews by Nazis provides the emotional content that makes it so difficult to properly critique as historians should. Hence, in every new conflict we get "the new Hitler" as the excuse for a new, needless war thrown in our collective faces.
Jews were definately targeted, murdered and put to forced labor, but there is also much fiction.
David Cole the Jewish revisionist (aka David Stein) has re-emerged and has written a book. Here's a recent video from his blog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PuNPTx8Ki0
"Jews were definately targeted, murdered and put to forced labor, but there is also much fiction."
Non-Zionists, specifically.
The thing is, WWII was an atrocity. Civilians dying, people starving, soldiers getting blown to bits. The loss of each human life in that affair is equally shocking. And the jews that died were but a fraction of the total 'body count'. They deserve the same sympathy as everyone else who died, but not MORE. As if they were somehow more innocent than others (civilian casualties).
The essential 'holocaust' story is the 'mass gassings' at places like Auschwitz for which -- to my surprise, due to the persistent propaganda -- there is scant evidence. The physical evidence that I've seen does not support the 'mechanized mass death' that the Nazis were accused of. People have pointed out this lack of physical and documented evidence and many have gone to prison in Germany and elsewhere for simply questioning the evidence. I am not immune from evidence -- I would change my views based on evidence -- but those promoting the 'mass gassing' have forged laws supporting what I now believe is a myth.
http://ancreport.com/podcasts/podcast.php?id=114
and part 2
http://ancreport.com/podcasts/podcast.php?id=115
"The essential 'holocaust' story is the 'mass gassings' at places like Auschwitz for which -- to my surprise, due to the persistent propaganda -- there is scant evidence."
It is well documented, despite Holocaust denial prpaganda.
The Soviet Union dressed its aggressive territorial expansion up as the 'Great Patriotic War', ignoring the fact that its tanks had crushed patriotic tendencies in a score or more of nations. Similarly Western leaders bearing responsibility for the 2nd World War sought desperately to cover up their tracks.
As in the USSR the true nature of Hitler's Germany; the causes of war, the conduct of it and its aftermath, needed to be kept from the British people.
Guaranteeing Poland's illegal occupation of German territory, would hardly justify the scale of the tragedy and could hardly explain the dismemberment of Germany, the handing over of eleven independent nations to Stalin's dictatorship, the excesses of the victors, and the deaths of an estimated 16 million Germans . . . not to mention our own losses. There were compelling reasons for hiding the truth, even fifty-years on. But Churchill's 'bodyguard of lies to protect the truth' needed to be insulated also.
Hitler's Germany had to be so thoroughly vilified that few would have the courage to defend it. Those who did - as in the Soviet Union - would find themselves denied a platform or publicly defamed in a modern version of the stocks, leading to probable loss of livelihood. No publisher would dare to allow anyone to point out that the emperor has no clothes. All lies as a consequence have gone unchallenged and have become part of established 'fact'.
GITTA SERENY. HOLOCAUST WRITER
SIX MILLION EMPERORS HAVE NO CLOTHES
All wars by necessity are accompanied by propaganda and most people are familiar with the lies and exaggerations. But the megalithic scale of the Second World War was such that stories of German troops throwing Belgian babies in the air to catch them on bayonets, fell far short of requirements if the victors' populations were to accept their governments' version of events, and their own suffering.
THE MINISTRY'S SELECTIVE PRESS RELEASE:
Allied Wartime Diplomacy, Edward Rozek - A Pattern in Poland, York/London, 1958
DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE?
All of us are familiar with the photographic evidence of Nazi-inspired genocide; we have seen the pictures, the newsreels taken at Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau. How can it be denied?
It is not. What is a matter of dispute, where the film and photographs are genuine, is not the cause of the tragedy but the reasons for it.
The popular belief is that these huge mounds of skeletal corpses are proof of a deliberate policy of genocide; caught in the act so to speak. In fact, the physical condition of the camp inmates was not far removed from that of many of the general German population. (See. Chapter.20).
There are thousands of photographs and newsreels, admittedly not readily available for obvious reasons, that show German civilians, women and children in a similar state of emaciation.
To understand why, one has to understand that much of Germany in the final months of the war resembled a moonscape; the infrastructure had completely disintegrated; road and rail links were hopelessly disrupted and food distribution non-existent. Millions of refugees were fleeing into the Reich, millions more were displaced. Chaos was king.
Throughout war-torn Europe and especially in the displaced persons and refugee camps where large numbers congregated, disease; cholera and typhoid were rampant and knew no physical or political borders:
IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA:
IN FRANCE:
IN GERMANY:
Such photographs as those taken at Bergen-Belsen could have been taken anywhere in Central Europe, where millions of civilians of many nations faced death through starvation and disease, producing similar mounds of emaciated corpses. In the case of Displaced Persons and concentration camp victims, the causes were deprivation, starvation, typhoid and cholera; not as a deliberate policy but as a direct consequence of the allies determination to totally destroy Germany, leading to unconditional surrender. This may not be palatable, but it is the truth.
On a visit that I made to Dachau - and I invite you to do likewise - you will see numerous photographs of inmates, clearly in good health and thoroughly fit, even wearing industrial gloves to protect their hands. Each of us have seen photographs of inmates at the point of liberation who again are obviously in good health.
I have yet to hear an explanation as to why in some parts of Germany the liberated were physically fit and in good health, whilst in other parts we see the horrendous results of starvation and disease. We can draw our own conclusions from the fact that the scale and location of such misery or lack of it, is directly related to the destructiveness of the allied war machine.
CAMP REALITIES
Oswald Pohl of the S.S Economy and Administration Office, provided incriminating statements relating to camp procedures, but only under torture:
Prior to Pohl being arrested and tortured as a means of procuring 'evidence of extermination', one Heinrich Hoepker, vehemently anti-Nazi who was nevertheless friendly with Oswald Pohl's wife and as such a frequent visitor between the years 1942 - 1945, described the S.S officer:
HERMAN GOERING
STATISTICALLY
It is an established fact that the Jews in Germany were very few indeed. The Germans who are very good at keeping statistics, never as far as I am aware claimed there to be in excess of 1%, which would number less than 1 million. The Jewish Joint Distribution Committee put the figure at 1,559,600 have yet to explain why they are claiming compensation for double that figure.
[Note - JP: In Samuel Untermeyer's speech where he called for a 'holy war' against Germany (August 1933) he stated that "we must save those 600,000. . ."]
Any reasoned or academic analysis of the alleged program of extermination inevitably leads to gross inconsistencies; so much so that the propagandists have reluctantly beaten a retreat on every so-called extermination camp, until all they are left with is Auschwitz, which conveniently was 'liberated' by the Red Army who never allowed outsiders in until 10 years after the war's end.
SHAKY GROUND
COMMENTING ON THE DEPORTATION OF FEODUR FEDERENKO, ACCUSED OF WAR CRIMES
ALBERT SPEER
Even Albert Speer, the Third Reich's Minister of Armaments, a gifted technician rather than an idealist and as such ready to compromise on matters of honour, could never bring himself to support the victors lies on the extermination allegations. He
If one had known, surely it would have to be Speer.
DACHAU - ANOTHER ALLEGATION IN RETREAT
THE WRITING ON THE WALL
In 1946, a memorial plaque was unveiled at Dachau by Philip Auerbach, the Jewish State Secretary in the Bavarian Government. The plaque read: 'This area is being retained as a shrine to the 238,000 individuals who were cremated here.'
Since then, this figure has consistently been revised downwards to its present total of 20,600, who it appears died from typhus and starvation at the end of the war.
Note: Auerbach has since been convicted for embezzling money that he claimed for non-existent Jews. It appears that the State Secretary certainly had a way with figures.
FURTHER RETREAT
It was not long before it was admitted that there had been no extermination camps on territory captured by the western allies. Equally conveniently it was discovered that the extermination camps just happened to have been on territory occupied by the Russians.
Dr. Martin Broszat, the anti-Nazi Director of the Institute of Contemporary History in Munich who can lay claim to being a major influence on the genocide issue, admitted in Die Zeit, (August 19th 1960). 'That there were no extermination camps on German soil.', and that instead, one had to look 'above all to Auschwitz.'
Yet, by general historical consensus the evidence of Auschwitz is overwhelmingly dependent upon the 'confessions' of its Commandant, Rudolf Hoess.
COMMANDANT OF AUSCHWITZ, Rudolf Hoess (London, 1960)
This book purports to be the testimony of Rudolf Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 until his arrest by the British Army in 1945. Subjected to torture and brain-washing, 'his testimony at Nuremberg was delivered in a mindless monotone as he stared blankly into space.'
Even Reitlinger regarded his testimony as hopelessly untrustworthy; a catalogue of wild exaggerations. These included his declaration that 16,000 Jew a day were disposed of - which would have meant 13 million in total!
Tortured, his statement appears in American-English idiom yet there is no evidence that Rudolf Hoess could speak any English at all. Tried at Nuremberg and handed over to the Polish Communists in 1947, he was ordered to write the story of his life, which was published as Wspomniena in the Polish language. It is said that the hand-written original exists, but no one has ever seen it.
ADOLF EICHMANN
Kidnapped by the Israelis in May, 1960, this impudent illegality again had a happy coincidence in that the incident happened just as 'war crimes investigators found in the archives of the U.S. Library of Congress', more than fifteen years after the war's end, the 'complete file' of Eichmann's department. Needless to say these files were riddled with inconsistencies and errors.
FRANZ STENGEL
This former commandant of Treblinka is equally interesting and for this we have to be grateful for his reminisces 'written' - a few days before his death in prison.
THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK
First published in 1952, The Diary of Anne Frank, a classical weepy about a Jewish adolescent's tribulations at the hands of Nazis became an immediate best-seller, succeeded by television and film events.
Less well known is the fact that the 'actual diary' consisted of just 150 notes. This somewhere along the way transformed itself into a 293 page published tome of a high literary standard dealing with historical events that make it highly unlikely to have been written by any twelve-year old girl.
Nor was this the only miracle, for it emerged that many of the notes, corrections and suchlike were written in a ball-point pen; a writing implement that was not invented until 1951, a number of years after the girl is supposed to have died.
Hardly surprising therefore that between 1956 and 1958, Meyer Levin, a well known author and journalist successfully sued Otto Frank, Anne's father, for $50,000 as indemnity for 'fraud, default and unauthorized employment of ideas'. It appeared that it wasn't so much a case of The Diary of Anne Frank, as the case of The Diary of Meyer Levin.
Furthermore, the handwriting attributed to Anne Frank and the handwriting in the 'diary' bear no similarity. When in April, a Swedish investigator wrote to Anne Frank's father, Otto Frank, requesting permission to come to Switzerland, bringing with him a party of experts to examine the original documents, which had never before been examined, his request was refused by Otto Frank... "who wished no further contact." Further comment would be superfluous.
AUSCHWITZ
It is at Auschwitz that the most fanciful statistics appear, and it seems a great shame that the propagandists couldn't at least get together and agree on a figure.
In Olga Legyel's Five Chimneys (London, 1959) it is claimed that the camp cremated 720 per hour or 17,280 per 24-hour shift. She alleges that a further 8,000 a day were burned in 'death pits'.
This means that between March 1942 and October 1944, the single camp of Auschwitz would have disposed of 21,000,000 Jews . . . Which happens to be 6 million more than the entire world population of Jews!
Reitlinger admitted that only 363,000 inmates 'were registered at the camp between January 1940 and February 1945.' - The S.S. Alibi of a Nation, p.268
Any analysis of propagandist figures exposes a statistical fraud on a ludicrous scale, and a complete absence of hard evidence.
PROFESSOR PAUL RASSINIER
Professor Paul Rassinier is generally regarded as being the doyen of the revisionist movement. A French Marxist and committed anti-National Socialist, he was arrested by the Germans during the war and interned at Buchenwald and Dora concentration camps between 1943 and 1945. He has always been at the forefront in disproving the allegations of genocide.
IF NOT AUSCHWITZ, WHERE THEN?
Other Jews who have spoken out against what has been described as 'the hoax of the twentieth century', include Beael Chaim, the head of the prestigious Revisionist Press publishing house. Professor Howard Stein, the noted historian at the University of Oklahoma, and Jean-Gabrielle Cohn-Bendit, a writer with the French Guillaume Publishing Group.
WILLIAM SHIRER
Shirer, the author of the tendentious 'Rise and Fall of the Third Reich' alleges that 300,000 Hungarian Jews were done to death in just 46 days (ibid. p.1156). This would have meant almost the extermination of Hungary's Jewish population of 380,000. But, according to the Central Statistical Office in Budapest, there were 260,000 Jews living in Hungary - in 1945!
A JEW SPEAKS OUT
NOTE: To date, (West) Germany has paid out 80 billion deutschmarks in 'compensation' to Israel, which doesn't go entirely without gratitude:
NEARLY EVERYBODY WINS
The allies get their justification, the Israelis get their 80 billion deutschmarks and the Soviets add another eleven nations to their empire.
HE POISON WELL
As Dr. Hans-Heinrich Wilhelm of the University of Riga says,
Indeed, many of the figures bandied about originate in cheap paperbacks churned out by 'quack-hacks' out to make a fast buck out of combining the victors' need for justification and the public lust for scandal. Such nonsense is then assiduously re-cycled with highly imaginative embroidery until it loses all contact with reality - which ironically causes outrage from the professional propagandists astute enough to see the danger this presents.
FOR THOSE I LOVED. Martin Gray, Bodley Head, 1973
This book purports to describe the experiences of the author at Treblinka camp in Poland. Gray in fact specialized in selling fake antiques in America before he was attracted to the buck-earning potential of cashing in on the insatiable appetite for holocaust-hype. Even the BBC was sufficiently cautious to ask him why he had waited twenty-eight years to reveal all.
AXIS RULE IN OCCUPIED EUROPE, Rafael Lemkin, N.Y. 1943
This Polish-Jew, author of the above title, drew up the UN Geneva Convention which sought to outlaw 'racism' whose extermination figures would have meant - according to official Jewish statistics - the extermination of the world's Jewish population by 1945.
According to the World Almanac there were 16 million Jews in the world in 1938; the New York Times puts it at 15 million.
DAS DRITTE REICH UND DIE JUDEN: DOCUMENTE UND AUFSATZE, , Poliakov, Berlin, 1955
The only evidence was: "The three of four people chiefly involved in drawing up the plan for total extermination are dead, and no documents exist." How very convenient!
THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH, William L. Shirer
One would expect this renowned self-styled expert on the Third Reich to have done other than weakly conclude that Hitler's order for the murder of Jews, 'apparently was never committed to paper - at least no copy of it has ever been unearthed. It was probably given verbally to Goering, Himmler, Heydrich, who passed it down....'
It seems strange that German officers, who appear fond of taking souvenir pictures of graveside executions, would be so coy about putting their thoughts on paper.
THE INCOMPARABLE CRIME, Manvel and Frank, London, 1967, p.46
The term, 'final solution' had its origins in a memorandum issued nine months before the outbreak of war:
The supplementary task referred to 'a total solution (gesamtlosung) of the Jewish question within the area of German influence in Europe.' Manvel and Frankl substituted the word extermination for emigration, and so the 'final solution was born'.
The alleged final details of the plan to exterminate European Jewry are said to have taken place at the Gross Wansee Conference held in Berlin, 20th, January 1942. Unfortunately again there isn't the slightest documentary evidence supporting such a plan. It seems, according to Manvel and Frankl that, 'the minutes are shrouded in the form of officialdom that cloaks the real significance of the words and terminology that are being used.'
Of all the innumerable directives and documents that allegedly passed between Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, Adold Eichmann and Wilhelm Hoess, it seemed that, 'none had survived.'
THE OTHER KINGDOM, David Rousset, New York, 1947.
This book like many others carried extravagant claims about gas chambers at Buchenwald. The anti-Hitler Professor Paul Rassinier, who himself spent a considerable time as an inmate at Buchenwald, effectively proved that no such gas chambers existed; nor was there any program of extermination. Today, it is no longer claimed to have been an extermination camp.
CHAINES ET LUMIERES, Abbe Jean-Paul Renard.
Professor Paul Rassinier traced the author and asked how he could possibly have testified as to the existence of gas chambers. Renard replied, 'that others had told him of their existence, and hence had been willing to pose as a witness to things that he had never seen.'
RAVENSBRUCK; THE WOMEN'S CAMP OF DEATH, Denise Dufournier, London, 1948
Traced and found to have no evidence other 'than vague rumors that Charlotte Borman stated were deliberately spread by Communist political prisoners.'
TEUFEL UND VERDAMTE, Benedikt Kautsky.
The author was traced, interviewed and confessed that he had never seen a gas chamber and that he had based his 'first hand information' on "what others had told him."
DOCTOR AT AUSCHWITZ, Miklos Nyizli.
It has been impossible to trace the author. He is not known to exist.
HENRY KISSINGER. EX-U.S SECRETARY OF STATE
Since the war and up until his death, Professor Paul Rassinier tracked down and interviewed scores of authors and writers of articles, who had claimed first hand experience of extermination. He had never found a single eyewitness; no one who had ever seen a gas chamber much less one in operation. Nor could any of the authors and writers produce a single living witness who had done so.
AND FROM THE VICTORS' PRISONERS
S.S GENERAL ERICH VON DEM BACH-ZELEWSKI
An often told story is of how Heinrich Himmler on August 31st 1942 personally witnessed the execution of 100 Jews by an Einsatz detachment in Minsk, 'causing him to nearly faint.'
This account is repeated over and over again in books and magazines, despite the fact that as long ago as April, 1959, Bach-Zelewski admitted in court, 'that he had made the allegations for the sake of expediency and his own survival.' The court accepted his retraction.
OBERSTURMFUHRER KURT GERSTEIN
Often quoted - with embellishment - this German officer's death is shrouded in mystery after 'he had confessed'. His claims appear regularly, even in school textbooks.
Despite his rank, Gerstein was far from being a National Socialist and was apparently vehement on this point. Increasingly eccentric and convicted for sending eccentric mail through the post, he claimed to have infiltrated the S.S and told his French interrogator that no less than 40 million internees had been gassed.
On April, 12th, 1945, he revised this figure downwards to 25 million but even this figure - much larger than the world's Jewish population was too unreal for French propaganda purposes, and so the compromise figure of six million was agreed.
Afterwards, Gerstein hanged himself in Cherche Midi Prison in Paris, although interestingly neither his body nor his grave have ever been found.
DR. WILHELM HOETTL (alias WALTER HAGEN)
This person's evidence is often quoted but in fact he was an intelligence agent working for both the Americans and the Soviet Union. Close colleagues included two Jewish agents, Perger and Verber, based in Vienna, who acted as 'U.S. Army officers during the Nuremberg trials'.
ALOIS HOELLRIEGEL
After being tortured, the subsequent 'confessions' sent General Ernst Kaltenbrunner to the gallows.
HERMAN GOERING
Declared that the very first time he had heard of the extermination claims 'was right here in Nuremberg.' The Jewish writers, Poliakov, Reitlinger, Manvell and Frankl, all tried to implicate Goering but, 'Charles Bewley in his work, Herman Goering (Gottingen, 1956) shows that not the slightest evidence was found at Nuremberg to substantiate this charge.
S.S CAPTAIN DIETER WISLICENY
The 'evidence' of S.S Captain Dieter Wisliceny alleging Hitler's extermination program is widely quoted and again embellished. An assistant in Adolf Eichmann's office, the captain fell into the hands of Czech Communists and he was 'interrogated' at the Soviet-controlled Bratislava Prison during November 1946.
Wisliceny was in fact tortured to "becoming a nervous wreck addicted to uncontrollable fits of sobbing for hours on end prior to execution."
S.S GENERAL OTTO OHLENDORF
This General was 'persuaded to confess' that 90,000 Jews had been killed under his command alone.' In 1948, three years after the war's end when Ohlendorf came to be tried, he retracted his statements claiming that they had been extracted under torture. He was executed in 1951 and of course, his 'confessions' still appear as evidence.
There is a great deal written, illustrated and filmed about the alleged extermination program carried out by Hitler's Germany. It is interesting to note that if such evidence was admissible only if proven, and not extracted under torture, there would be no evidence whatsoever that Hitler's Germany had a policy of extermination; gassing or otherwise, against any racial grouping.
Take a look at pictures of prisoners in the US on both sides during the 1861-65 war, they are every bit as emaciated and other than the presence of beards indistinguishable from pictures of those found in the German prison system in 1945.
I do find it odd that the Germans were supposedly intent on exterminating people yet managed to insist on them staying clean shaven and provide the supplies to do so.
"During the research for a Sunday Times inquiry into Gray's work, M. Gallo informed me coolly that he ‘needed’ a long chapter on Treblinka because the book required something strong for pulling in readers. When I myself told Gray, the ‘author,’ that he had manifestly never been to, nor escaped from Treblinka, he finally asked, despairingly, ‘But does it matter? Wasn't the only thing that Treblinka did happen, that it should be written about, and that some Jews should be shown to have been heroic?’" [2]"
"Take a look at pictures of prisoners in the US on both sides during the 1861-65 war, they are every bit as emaciated and other than the presence of beards indistinguishable from pictures of those found in the German prison system in 1945."
Issuing Rations at Andersonville Prison - GA, August 17, 1864
Prisoner Related
http://www.civil-war.net/cw_images/files/images/072.jpg
These prisoners don't look the stick figures in the German concentration camps.
"I do find it odd that the Germans were supposedly intent on exterminating people yet managed to insist on them staying clean shaven and provide the supplies to do so."
As has been documented, people were exterminated upon arriving. Those people never shaved even once at the camp.
Then provide pictures and documentation. You can lie all day long, doesn't make for much of an argument.
"Then provide pictures and documentation. You can lie all day long, doesn't make for much of an argument."
You didn't go to the link i provided, showing the Civil War prisiiners ant Andersonville, whio were not stick figures like the nazi concentratin camp survivors were?
http://www.spingola.com/CivilWarCamps.html
Plenty of pictures in books of prisoners on both sides looking like this. 50-60K captured soldiers on both sides died in the camps, the Confederates weren't able to feed their own population or combat soldiers but the Union certainly had no supply issues.
If Jews were all exterminated upon arrival as you contend, why do I see so many pictures of concentration camps when Allied troops arrived showing no bearded prisoners? It's a definite pattern in the photos.
Civil War prison camps were terrible places, when they saw the photographs of emaciatedAndersonville prisoners who literally looked like skeletons, northerners were shocked and horrified. Many claimed the conditions at Andersonville were a cruel conspiracy against northern soldiers, deliberately perpetuated by Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and other Confederate leaders. The name Andersonville became synonymous with the horrors of Civil War prison camps, but in reality prison camps on both sides were poorly managed, horrendously overcrowded, and disease-ridden.
"Such photographs as those taken at Bergen-Belsen could have been taken anywhere in Central Europe, where millions of civilians of many nations faced death through starvation and disease, producing similar mounds of emaciated corpses. In the case of Displaced Persons and concentration camp victims, the causes were deprivation, starvation, typhoid and cholera; not as a deliberate policy but as a direct consequence of the allies determination to totally destroy Germany, leading to unconditional surrender. This may not be palatable, but it is the truth."
Such propaganda. Eisenhower forced the German people to see what the Nazi's did to people in the concentration camps. They were forced to see the piles of bodies, which were the result of what the Nazis did to prisoners. The Germans brought into the camps to view Nazi atrocities were not emaciated, like the camp prisoners were. The paraqgraph in quotes is a fraud.
Yet, while you scream propaganda, this author provides source data, something you are unwilling to do. Guess the REAL propagandist is you...
"Yet, while you scream propaganda, this author provides source data, something you are unwilling to do. Guess the REAL propagandist is you..."
The author is the propagandist. There is film of German citizens being brought in to see what the Nazis did to the people in the concentration camps. The Germans were not emaciated, like the prisoners were. It is a lie to say that the people in the concentration camps were emaciated because of what he claimed the Allies were doing to the German people. Tha Nazis did it.
Provide the film liar, then provide the proof the author is lying. HE HAS SOURCES. You have nothing.
The_six_million_hoax
"Hitler's Germany had to be so thoroughly vilified that few would have the courage to defend it."
What a lie. Just watching Hitler's speeches, one can easily see just how evil he was.
Compared to George W. Bush, who is a saint!
"Compared to George W. Bush, who is a saint!"
Just look at Hitler's speeches. The evil hatred in his face is obvious.
"There is a great deal written, illustrated and filmed about the alleged extermination program carried out by Hitler's Germany. It is interesting to note that if such evidence was admissible only if proven, and not extracted under torture, there would be no evidence whatsoever that Hitler's Germany had a policy of extermination; gassing or otherwise, against any racial grouping."
It is interesting to note that denialist claim is false.
Documentation propagandist.
"Documentation propagandist."
That is what holocaust deniers are.
You have yet to provide a single citation. Not one single proof, which suggests you don't have any nor can you find one. It must be terrible to realize all your beliefs are a lie.
"You have yet to provide a single citation. Not one single proof, which suggests you don't have any nor can you find one. It must be terrible to realize all your beliefs are a lie."
How many Holocaust denier propaganda sites would you like me to cite? Sean, you know the Holocaust really happened.
"As in the USSR the true nature of Hitler's Germany; the causes of war, the conduct of it and its aftermath, needed to be kept from the British people."
The true nature of Hitler's Germany is well documented.
Hitler refused to greet Jesse Owens, as he disproved Hitler's master aryan race theory.
"The Soviet Union dressed its aggressive territorial expansion up as the 'Great Patriotic War', ignoring the fact that its tanks had crushed patriotic tendencies in a score or more of nations"
The Russians Great Patriotic War was against Hitler, after Hitler invaded Russia with millions of troops in June 1941. It took from then to May 1945 to defeat him, after millions of Russians had been killed by Hitler. Stalin certainly did take advantage of the opportunity to take over control of countries that Hitler had occupied in eastern Europe during the war, after Hitler had already crushed those countries patriotic tendencies.
"Similarly Western leaders bearing responsibility for the 2nd World War sought desperately to cover up their tracks."
Neville Chaimberlain and peace in our time. As documented, Hitler wasn't interested in peace. He built up a huge army for war. From September 1939, to May 1940, was the so called sitzkrieg, with Britain and France sitting behind their lines, instead of attacking into Germany and crushing Hitler.
About half the men of military age in France had been killed or wounded in WW1.
The quote about Jesse Owens is a known fabrication. "Hitler's War" provides plenty of documentation which you never provide. Not one single source for anything you have to say. The lies just keep coming. Of course, that is what jews do best- they lie.
"The quote about Jesse Owens is a known fabrication. "Hitler's War" provides plenty of documentation which you never provide. Not one single source for anything you have to say. The lies just keep coming. Of course, that is what jews do best- they lie."
There is lots of "documentation" by JFK conspiracy propagandists. The actual credible evidence pointed to Oswald and only Oswald.
Denying History takes on the myths of holocaust deniers.
No citations. Denying history takes on the myths of the holocaust hoaxers.
"No citations. Denying history takes on the myths of the holocaust hoaxers."
No citation needed. Just do a Google search.
"Denying History presents Shermer and Grobman's findings. The book refutes, in detail, the Holocaust deniers' claims, and it demonstrates conclusively that the ..."
The holocaust deniers are the hoaxers.
It is for a good reason the subtitle of the book is "Who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it?" and not "what they say and why are they mistaken." Dr. Shermer spends most of the book attacking men and motives rather than answering the arguments or claims of the revisionists. If people want to know what revisionists really claim, they can read some of their books for themselves. That is a better way to go about it. Also go out to web sites like vho.org, ihr.org, codoh.org and russgranata.com. Read some of the essays there.
As for Dr. Shermer's "convergence of evidence," I learned this concept under a different name in religion class. It was called "leap of faith." Early in the book, the authors state that revisionists prey on people's ignorance. I found quite the opposite to be the case. The more I learned about the Holocaust the less I believed it. As I read more still the disbelief turned to the knowledge of what actually happened and why major aspects of Holocaust story are false.
This book is a failure. It doesn't even address most revisionist research much less answer all revisionist arguments or claims. As I was reading it, my wife kept asking me what was so funny. So, if you want me to invest time in this book, you need CITATIONS. The only people whm believe this guy are jews- go figure.
"So, if you want me to invest time in this book, you need CITATIONS."
So you didn't read the book.
"Second, CHS, give the nazi holocaust crap a rest"
Give your crap a rest.
Hitler was evil. The Nazis were evil. The Holocaust was real.
Back for another ass kicking moneybots? Plan on using a single fact this time? Bwahahahahahahaha!
"Back for another ass kicking moneybots? Plan on using a single fact this time? Bwahahahahahahaha!"
The Holocaust is well documented, regardless of your attempts to propagandize otherwise.
You have yet to kick me even once.
The issue always boils down to individual behavior, period. If you don't want individuals (organizations are simply many individuals) to behave badly, then there always needs to be real consequences for bad behavior.
In the future I propose that functioning guillotines be placed outside all opporational banks and goverenment buildings. The useless paper-pushing criminals need more than a simple reminder, every fucking day.
Crimes against the state, in the Ottoman AND Holy Roman Empire, were punished with impalement. Yikes. The body was left on the pole for some time, because it sends a VERY powerful message. Gruesome stuff.
For most citizens, it is difficult to resist the propaganda of the state and the peer pressure that results. We need more educated citizens, citizens educated in what the Constitution actually says, and the courage and ability to see and speak the truth.
You used Education way too many times. Not a good thing in USSA.
Depends on the type of education. One man's education is another's propaganda.
There is a delusion of a moral superiority obtained by actively resisting orders, as dead or imprisoned. You owe nothing, not even your thoughts, to your oppressor, or "leader," or their evil. Throw the monkey wrench in when they don't know it's you. Their evil presumes that they can trust you'll obey. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely," Take away a nail and sometimes "A kingdom is lost."
Senator Blumenthal says:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2014/05/senator-to-urge-brin...
...and you know what? I wish this weren't true, but it is:
http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-gun-control/
What about Pelosi? DeGette? McCarthy? Kennedy? Romney? Reagan? Johnson? et al.?
Uh, what about them? Bad people all around.
Charles Hugh-Smith is right, but here is a better example of "German soldiers who pulled the triggers but were of course just following orders."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vbaVgT6QDM
642 inhabitants of Oradour-sur-Glane had been murdered in a matter of hours (including 247 women and 205 children burnt alive in the Church).
Adolf Diekmann claimed that the episode was a just retaliation for partisan activity in nearby Tulle and the kidnapping of Helmut Kämpfe.
The ruins of the original village remain as a memorial to the dead and to represent similar sites and events.
Its museum includes items recovered from the burned-out buildings: watches stopped at the time their owners were burned alive, glasses melted from the intense heat, and various personal items.
Oradour-sur-Glane was not the only collective punishment reprisal action committed by the Waffen-SS: other well-documented examples include the French towns of Tulle, Ascq, Maillé, Robert-Espagne, and Clermont-en-Argonne;
THE FIRESTORM OF HAMBURG
Coventry often comes to mind when justification for the bombing campaign is sought. Notwithstanding the fact that it has since been proved that the bombing of Coventry, like the sinking of the Lusitania was deliberately set up as 'a means to an end', it might be remembered in terms of proportion that Coventry lost 100 acres through bombing.
This was the equivalent of sixty Coventrys in just ten days. Three hundred times as many people died in Hamburg during the ten-day blitz as died in Coventry during the entire course of the war.
WORSE THAN HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI AND TOKYO FIRESTORMS
THE CHILDREN
How many did Hitler's army murder across Europe, Sean?
Hard to say, no figures exist. However, war caualties exist for all armies. Still no citations? Ever going to answer about who is responsible, yahweh or the juddahies for the mass killings of women and children in the Torah? Down to the last one, is how they put it....
"Hard to say, no figures exist. However, war caualties exist for all armies. Still no citations? Ever going to answer about who is responsible, yahweh or the juddahies for the mass killings of women and children in the Torah? Down to the last one, is how they put it...."
I see your propaganda citations. JFK conspiracy propagandists claimed Oswald wasn't buried in Oswald's grave. Turned out Oswald was buried in Oswald's grave.
Hitler was responsible for mass killings, as he was evil. I see you don't even hazard a guess as to how many he had murdered, in the effort to cover up his evil.
Still, no citations? Ever going to answer about whom is responsible, yahweh or the juddahites for the mass killings of women and children in the torah?
Many of those citations are written by jews. JFK is not the subject here. Terrible effort at misdirection.
Hard to face the truth about the tribe, moneybots? Kind of turns your stomach, eh? Might start you thinking that Hitler was right all along...Bwahahahahahaha!
"Still, no citations? Ever going to answer about whom is responsible, yahweh or the juddahites for the mass killings of women and children in the torah?
Many of those citations are written by jews. JFK is not the subject here. Terrible effort at misdirection.
Hard to face the truth about the tribe, moneybots? Kind of turns your stomach, eh? Might start you thinking that Hitler was right all along...Bwahahahahahaha!
Once again, i can see your propaganda citations. Holocaust deniers can make any story up, just as JFK conspiracy propagandists have.
I can see you have difficulty facing the truth that the Holocaust is real.
Hitler was evil, so he was definitely wrong.
Still, no citations? Perhaps if you looked up the definition? Would that help? The idea you need to defend an argument with supporting documents? The jews are definitiely evil, so they must be wrong as well? Personally, given the choice, I'd take Hitler over that digusting filth Chaim Weissmann any day of the week.
"Still, no citations? Perhaps if you looked up the definition? Would that help? The idea you need to defend an argument with supporting documents? The jews are definitiely evil, so they must be wrong as well? Personally, given the choice, I'd take Hitler over that digusting filth Chaim Weissmann any day of the week. "
Hitler was evil. It can readily be seen in his face during his speeches.
The Jews are not evil any more than the Christians are evil, or the buddhists are evil.
Sorry, the torah is your own confessiion of how evil the jews are. You are some seriously fucked up sub-humans.
"Sorry, the torah is your own confessiion of how evil the jews are. You are some seriously fucked up sub-humans."
You sure have that imagination thing of yours in overdrive again.
Sub human was a term Nazis used, leading to The Holocaust, which you know really happened.
The only holocaust that happened was the one perpetuated by bolshevik jews in Russia. Germany treated their prisoners as well as anyone else. If you would stop lying to yourself, you might see the truth.
"The only holocaust that happened was the one perpetuated by bolshevik jews in Russia. Germany treated their prisoners as well as anyone else. If you would stop lying to yourself, you might see the truth."
Sean, you know that Nazi holocaust really happened.
Moneybot, you know the holocaust is a hoax.
"Moneybot, you know the holocaust is a hoax."
Sean, you know the holocaust really happened.
hoe dare you robbie parkers was not following orders.
when you kin folks are wiped out everyone reacts different
some folks laugh and cannot stop laughin
some folks chuckle and keeps on chuckling
some folks watch tv
udders go kfc or mc d
some folks get upset and emotionuls
we ares all uniques speesies
just cos robbie was havin fun befores his interviews duz nots make him a masonic satanist
maybe he just prefers lookin on the bright illuminated side
wilson your poetic ruminations, insightful as they are, are sending me off to shroomville
How about WW2 being setup? The Germans wanted sovereign hegemony over their economy but the powers that be wanted it more and thus propagated the main issues of WW2. Plus planting a fool such as Hitler on the other side who then effectivly drove Bismark's dream into the ground so they could then occupie and assimilated Germany into the fold.
There is another slippery slope, or parallel, when trying to decipher the truth about WW2 and now. The gerneral public was becoming to well informed in the 1930's about capitalism and religous dogmas causing rebellious attitudes to manifested into unions and Socialism, or even and especialy communism, and that was a threat to the structures that kept them in their chains. So they, the bosses, riled up nationalisms and militarism to kill off a whole Generation.
it is even worse now becuase of the digital connectivity and the absolute stream of information that computers as big as you house compute about society. Combine that with social science, psychology that the brightest minds that have been working on for even more effective ways of controling you, of course in acordance with their predecessor Freud.
What chance does the average person have to combat this omipotent barage?
lets find Optimism?
There was no set up. Germany was on the course that led to Nazism from the end of the nineteen century/start of the twentieth century.
Rushing the 'american' act comes with consequences. Nazis are 'americans' on steroids.
Hitler was the German George Washington? The biggest difference is George won and was not exposed or vilified by the British?
Remember Memorial Day and The Pawns of War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ljvhNV_3zc
CIA greatest threat to humans everywhere.
No pasive ignorance is.
How times have changed. The backward tyrannical Nixon Justice Department let Ellsberg out on bail. The progressive Obama Justice Department tortured Manning, held him incommunicado and in solitary confinement, then proceeded to convict him in a semi-secret kangaroo court after the Commander-in-Chief publicly declared him guilty.
And then they pulled some korean type brainwashing and made him become a girl.
http://books.google.ca/books/about/In_the_Sleep_Room.html?id=WJIJAAAACAAJ
fantastic read for those wanting insight into the deviousness of this world.
empires have a timetable...it only took 60 years to go from Augustus to Caligula.
Augustus was no sweatpea.