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Russia Tells Kiev "It Is Ready To Provide Humanitarian Aid" To East Ukraine

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Some were confused by the latest bout of radiosilence emanating from the Kremlin in the aftermath of both the "Chocolate King" winning the Ukraine presidential election, and the most recent escalation of fighting in self-proclaimed as independent Republic of Donetsk, in which more than 50 "separatists" were killed. This ended moments ago when the Russian foreign ministry issued a press release that it has received appeals for humanitarian aid from the "conflict zone" in east Ukraine, and that more importantly, it is is ready to the "provide the population with the required assistance."

As Bloomberg adds, Russia has asked for Ukraine’s help in allowing delivery of supplies to affected areas, and that it is ready to seek approval on routes, terms of transporation of supplies, ministry says.

"Given the urgent nature of the situation, Russia is counting on the fastest possible answer from Ukraine on this request,” the ministry says.

Naturally, since Ukraine will respond with a resounding "no" to any official Russian entry into its territory, it then puts Russia - which has formally acknowledged east Ukraine is asking for its help - in the position of deciding what the best way of aiding citizens in the east. Without the Kiev government's support.

From the Russian Ministry:

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent a note to Ukraine, which draws the attention of the Ukrainian side to the fact that the Russian side has received insistent appeals from individuals and organizations in the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine, where as a result of military actions there are numerous human casualties and victims, asking for urgent humanitarian assistance, especially medical supplies and medicines.

 

Russian stressed that it is ready to provide the population in these regions with the required assistance, and proposed to the Ukrainian side to promptly take the necessary measures to ensure the immediate delivery of Russian humanitarian aid to the affected regions.

 

Specific routes and transport conditions of such humanitarian assistance, according to the note, could be agreed in due course through the appropriate Russian and Ukrainian authorities.

 

Given the urgent nature of the situation, Russia is counting on the fastest possible answer from Ukraine on this request.

 

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:36 | 4801237 GetZeeGold
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"It Is Ready To Provide Humanitarian Aid"

 

With tanks one would assume.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:36 | 4801244 sangell
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Armored humanitarian vehicles please.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:40 | 4801252 Haus-Targaryen
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I am sorry.  As much shit as we give Obama for being a pussy on here -- Putin is giving him a run for his money at this point, with Putin drawing red line after red line just for the West to walk all over them. 

If Putin isn't willing to defend the East of Ukraine -- then he deserves to get encircled and have NATO nukes 312 kms away from Moscow. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:52 | 4801267 Winston Churchill
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He is playing to the BRIICS ans associate audience. He has to play reasonable,

giving the neocons more rope to hang themselves.This is geopolitical calculus ,

not sums. He has one shot ,and he needs it to be a head shot when he fires.

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:06 | 4801285 Ghordius
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+1 Putin plays to several audiences, not only the BRICS (where he shares some requests for more sphere of influence policies), but also the Eastern Europeans and the Western Europeans. I make a difference between the two groups of countries because the first have quite good memories of how a Russian Hegemony looks like (and lots of debates how it really was)

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:08 | 4801287 Looney
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As of today, Ukraine owes Gasprom $4 Billion. Plus, Ukraine must pre-pay $1.66 Billion for June’s gas on June 2. On June 3, Gasprom will release only as much gas as “Ukraine pre-paid for”.

Ukraine is about to turn from FREE GAS to GAS FREE ZONE in a couple of days. I think? ;-)

Looney

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:24 | 4801329 tonyw
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As of today 28th May it is reported "The European Commission said Ukrainian energy company Naftogaz agrees to pay $2 billion by Friday and another $500 million by June 7 to settle its outstanding debts." in return Gazprom will continue to ship the gas without prepayment. Of course we have to see if ukraine can pay these amounts.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:30 | 4801348 Winston Churchill
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Until the check clears, you only think you have a sale.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:32 | 4801354 Stackers
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How did Obama put it ? ........... Kenitic humanitarian aid ?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:09 | 4801436 Confused
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You guys are crazy! Gas problem? No problem! Biden Jr. is on the case. #savingtheday

 

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:31 | 4801668 BigJim
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They need flammable gas, not hot air.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:35 | 4801990 Urban Roman
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Pull Biden Jr's finger.

Just pull it.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:14 | 4801600 JR
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To be paid with IMF, i.e., Fed, i.e, American taxpayer money.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:34 | 4801679 BigJim
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Nah, that's the beauty of governmental spending of USD - the whole world foots the bill via petrodollar recycling.

US taxpayers bear relatively little burden for their government's spending, because the rest of the world picks up the tab via reduced purchasing power of their existing USD holdings.

Most USD are held outside the US, remember?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:42 | 4801723 Miffed Microbio...
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And we remain blissfully in ignorance why this country is so vehemently hated through out the world. Traveling let me see how in reality no one would sell their soul to come to the USA. I was a tad taken aback. What? They don't hate us for our freedoms?

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:07 | 4803053 StychoKiller
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Meh, they DO hate us for one freedom:  The freedom to print FRNs like there's no tomorrow!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:57 | 4802084 JR
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The International Monetary Fund is funded primarily by taxpayers from the United States and the European Union.

In addition to the massive IMF bailout, according to The New American, in May the U.S. Congress has agreed to shower Ukraine’s new rulers with a separate $1 billion bailout while “the emerging Brussels-based super-state, meanwhile, approved an EU ‘aid’ package funded by European taxpayers worth well over 10 times that amount. Other wealth transfers from the West to Kiev for various alleged purposes are also underway.”

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:57 | 4802280 BigJim
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The money supply of the US is created ex-nihilo via the Fed and their banking cartel. US citizens pay some taxes, but you don't get a $17T national debt by paying all your government's bills, do you?

On top of that is the negative balance of trade, whereby foreigners have exchanged value for more ex-nihilo US goodness.

Probably the best way to see the USD is not as some 'American' currency, but as the currency the whole world is obliged to use, but only Fed-franchised banks can create. All the other currencies function more like those 'local' currencies people develop regionally. US citizens are the only ones obliged to pay taxes to help pay for the US government's largesse, true, but everyone else props up the value of the dollar by having to pay for oil with it (most of which then gets recycled into buying US government debt)... so, although the US taxpayer is being taxed, the purchasing power of his money is being propped up by the rest of the world's population buying oil (and concomitantly, many commodities) with it.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:34 | 4801333 Son of Captain Nemo
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Hey Ghordius

I'm sorry but could you refresh our collective memories on which Country it is that has invested billions to overthrow the existing government through "black and blue" revolutions by force using staged violent protests they made good on during Russia's winter olympics, seizing control of the legitimately elected government by the people and for the people in 2010 with a military style right wing Neo-Nazi coup when that government didn't give that other Country what it wanted including it's inclusion into NATO?...

I don't think Mr. Putin should have to work that much harder to get the rest of the BRIICS on board when you also factor in the deaths of Russians prior to their winter games with the bombings in Volgograd???...

Time for a hot war!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:37 | 4801360 Ghordius
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why don't you refresh our memories? I'm just pointing to a small detail, i.e. to what audiences Putin is playing, and how differently they are taking in his messages

Russian media is very busy on their "fascist" and "neo-nazi" Ukrainian memes, yet remember that Maidan protesters were against corruption first, and all the rest second, and that they were over 100'000 at times, hardly all agents or neo-nazi groups

you know what? those Ukrainian articles are becoming "double-echo" chambers. so let me point a different Ukrainian theme that has not been touched, yet: the rise of the private armies that some Ukrainian oligarchs are raising among the employees of their firms, all for "self defense" and "just in case". square this off with the strange meme that the waning of state power is good for the individual

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:54 | 4801394 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Russian media is very busy on their "fascist" and "neo-nazi" Ukrainian memes, yet remember that Maidan protesters were against corruption first, and all the rest second, and that they were over 100'000 at times, hardly all agents or neo-nazi groups"...

Why Ghordius

Where are all the rabid Zionist Neo-cons with their vocal endorsement for ridding Ukraine of their Svoboda and Right Sector "champions"?!!!

Still selling the World the Holocaust story -Correct????

What a tangled web of irony we weave!


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:04 | 4801425 Phuk u
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Nemo

Would that be the neo nazis who got less than 3% of the vote in Ukraine, the people 

spoke. There are many more neo-nazis in France and Denmark than in Ukraine and even

more in Moscow where free speech is not tolerated. My what a tangled web of myopia you weave.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:19 | 4801465 Son of Captain Nemo
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Would that be the neo nazis who got less than 3% of the vote in Ukraine, the people spoke.

If you are suggesting the elections by the current CANVAS installed government were legitimate this past weekend I might buy your premise.  But how can we be certain it was "only 3%" when a foreign backed coup government was the one holding the elections?

Oh and here is a refresher on putting the "blue" in blue helmets for subverting legitimate governments...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=240_1394041628

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/03/01/352724/israeli-army-vet-led-kie...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:54 | 4801546 Phuk u
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Poroshenko with about 54% of the total vote was elected president for two main reasons

firstly Ukrainians did not want this to go to the second round as to hopefully sort out the shit in Donbass quickly

and secondly he was the strongest candidate.

 

Oh and here is a refresher on putting opinions in the way of an story.

 

https://t.co/2Jek6CIyMb

http://t.co/IoCX2dd60v

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:58 | 4801554 Son of Captain Nemo
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PU!

Thanks for the literature from "Zucker"book and The Gray Lady.  Both bastions of integrity on anything and everything that has to do with "Truth" in journalism.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:30 | 4801660 JR
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This election was another nail in the coffin of nationhood, of sovereignty for the peoples in western and eastern Europe - a final push to globalize IMF austerity – an election that invited the notorious Iraqi warmonger Madeleine Albright to Kiev to lead a team of international election observers but that banned Russian journalists from entry. 

Farcical “Elections” in Ukraine: Staging Ground for Escalation of Conflict, Hostilities

By Daniel Patrick Welch

Global Research, May 26, 2014

It was a classic circus, as much of a fairy tale ‘election’ as one might expect from oligarchical fascists backed by the most murderous empire in human history. Burning down offices of opposition parties, outlawing them, shooting, torturing and killing opponents… mobilizing the military power of the state to conduct a massive terror campaign against nearly half the country.. not to mention the only candidate who might appeal to the disaffected southeast of the country, Oleg Tsarov, beaten to a pulp by a fascist mob while police watched and did nothing–who later has his house burned down by more fascists.. the list goes on.

On election day neatly stacked blocks of ballots appeared at the bottom of lucite ballot boxes, and the pre-determined and US chosen winner was duly announced from election commissions guarded by Right Sector thugs.

Within a couple hours of voting, miracle working counters tallied millions of paper ballots and announced– ta da–a 55% or 57% victory for billionaire oligarch and chocolate magnate–dubbed Willy Wonka by cynical Ukrainians, thereby equally miraculously circumventing the need for a messy second round.

A Czech source quoted at 17.52% turnout–the junta claimed, at one point, 38%. No matter. As one friend in Kharkov exclaimed in frustration,

“I wouldn’t look for too much accuracy or accountability in numbers. Fascists don’t know or care. That’s how fascism works.”

The western press will collude in rubber stamping this fiction, and the Kiev regime’s legitimacy will be further tarnished everywhere but inside the echo chamber. A larger question lays bare the absurdity of this process: after a “revolution,” isn’t it a logical first step to agree on a new governing framework–a constitution, a basic law to replace the order the people have supposedly rejected. In this sense, exactly what office is Willy Wonka assuming. Over what, exactly, is he presumed to “preside?” The answer, of course, is that he is merely the new face of oligarchic rule in Ukraine, hand-pre-picked by the US to have a fig leaf to cover the devolving train wreck that is their disastrous and reckless policy in the country.”

The real news, of course, is what happens now…

While it is also a war of words, and words are crucial, this is now a hot war, and the forces of evil–at this moment in the hot spot of Ukraine–have made open military conflict a necessity and an inevitability. It is a scary and dangerous time.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/farcical-elections-in-ukraine-staging-ground-escalation-of-conflict-hostilities/5383868

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:46 | 4801734 Phuk u
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 I shall try better next time.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:53 | 4801268 Quinvarius
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In your American sensibilities, unless you drive a tank through city hall as a first response, you are not handling the situation?  Putin has just put the West in the position of announcing it will treat the population of the East like worthless animals, or it can allow Russian aid workers in the country where the West might end up shooting them along with the rest of the population.  There is no downside to Putin's move.  And clearly, the tanks are coming.  When Putin pulled back off of the borders, while things were escalating up, you should have become more worried, not less.  Only an idiot in the US State Department would think hiding your knifehand before a fight is retreating.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:01 | 4801277 Haus-Targaryen
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You bring up excellent points, as does the guy above you. 

And while the geo-political chess-board is beyond comprehension, at least for me -- I am sure that both sides have plans, and backups for plans, and the contingency plans for those.  What I am worried about is Putin playing nice for too long. 

There comes a time when you do have to drive a tank through City Hall's front door, and there are times to get the local population to do it for you.  While I am sure Putin has a few dozen more tricks up his sleeve, discussing the Cossak slaughter yesterday, or the pro Russian slaughter in Odessa as evidence that Putin'S plan is working seems like you'Re drinking the cool-aide. 

Perhaps you have some insight that we do not?  

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:06 | 4801286 Quinvarius
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The Gulf of Tonkin was fake.  Odessa is real.  That is all the insight I have into justifications for military action.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:18 | 4801313 Haus-Targaryen
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... ?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:28 | 4801345 Quinvarius
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I am saying everything the West does to the East builds the pro-Russian case for intervention.  So when they do roll, they will have the moral authority in the situation.  When you perceive a slaughter of Easterners as a victory for the West, you may be ignoring those people voted for independence and do not consider themselves part of the West.  It was a slaughter of patriots to the other side.  When the West denies food and medical attention to the East, it means the Russians can morally bring it by force.   Putin is building a case. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:07 | 4801579 Haus-Targaryen
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I hope you are correct.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 15:05 | 4802697 Vincent.Eugene....
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Though Putin plays a mean game of Chess, I would still prefer to awake to a Russian "No Fly Zone" over western Ukraine a.s.a.p.  A little "humanitarian aid" small-arms shipments to the local civilians, etc.  But I wonder.  Recently I came across article stating that the US had authorized 12,000 TOW's to Saudi Arabia (our arms supplier discrete).  I wonder if a few thousand of those will be awaiting the Russian tanks.  If so this will come down as a crowning ultimate victory for the filth in D.C.  I wonder........sometimes.........if it is all a setup.    Reminds me of the arms transport that Putin was sending to Libya.  The reptile-filth in England  forced the vessel from Intl waters into port and sent it back home.  Were Putin a 'leader without a leash' he would not have tolerated that act.  (or, tit-tat, begin to stop shipments carrying US arms being sent to Israel, Syria, Saud, etc)  Either way, I am not sure I would roll tanks across that border enmass.  Either Putin is in on it, or there is a serious mouse-trap being set in Ukraine.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:47 | 4801745 JR
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It was America’s Jewish U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (née Marie Jana Korbel) who said that the “price” of 500,000 dead Iraqi children for U.S. sanctions on Iraq was worth it.

It was U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton maniacally laughing when Democrat warmonger and former Bush U.S. Secretary of State James Baker said "we have to take them [Iran] out” and “we’re the only ones big enough to do it,” who raucously cheered him on with "the best thing for us is to be attacked by somebody."

This is the force of evil that America has become under its partnership with Israel:

“I think NATO, without any question, has done more to promote security, more to promote prosperity, and more to promote freedom than any other alliance in human history.” – U.S Secretary of State John Kerry (aka Kohn), remarks at the Atlantic Council’s “Toward a Europe Whole and Free” Conference, April 29, 2014

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. – Isaiah 5:20

And woe to the rest of us who do not work with all our might to stop them.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=799_1348921063

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:20 | 4801322 johny2
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last thing Russia should do is go fighting against the Ukraine.

 

much sooner they should go fighting against Nuland and co. whatever it takes.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:13 | 4801450 Confused
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Which Ukraine are you speaking of? The people or the state? Because I'm sure we can all agree he shouldn't fight the people, however, if you are referring to the state....well that is him fighting a proxy of Nuland and all the others. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:27 | 4801953 johny2
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why fight a proxy which by all reasons should be your biggest ally? much better to reveal a truth about the scheme, backed by the proofs. even fighting americans should be out of the question. fight the fed is a better option.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:20 | 4801321 tonyw
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"there are times to get the local population to do it for you. " exactly, with a population of millions east ukraine should be able to field a substantial "army" of seperatists, if they are not prepared to fight for themselves then why should russia fight for them?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:23 | 4801328 agent default
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I am sure that both sides have plans - The US doesn't plan.  The US gambles.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:30 | 4802422 Boxed Merlot
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The US doesn't plan.  The US gambles...

 

I believe the word is pragmatic.  Fix it today, we'll deal with the fall out and additional problems our "fix" creates tomorrow. 

JFK was a master of this philosophy 50 years ago and we've only been living out his vision.  Only now our fixes require massive amounts of deceit, denial and an increased likelihood of (more) needless death before justice has an opportunity to reassert itself.

 

Jmo.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:40 | 4801356 Mabussur
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If you look at the situation from orbit, everything becomes much clearer.

The USA's playbook is based on the works of Zbigniew Brzezinski and Paul Wolfowitz. In a nutshell, the general idea is that world domination can only be achieved through control of the eurasian landmass. Ukraine is the link that brings Russia into europe and Europe into Asia (depending who will end up having controlling influence over the country)

Long story short, if the USA and allies gain control of Ukraine (thus preventing Russia from doing so), the parameters of the Wolfowitz doctrine will be fullfilled, theoratically propelling the US on the road to world domination and ultimately the creation of a unipolar world (which would be very very bad). On the other hand, if Vladimir Putin and Russia can get somehow the upper hand, the world is headed towards influence by 2 blocs, cold war style.

If you add to that the fact that it's all or nothing time for the US given the fact that the mighty $$$ is about to choke, you see that neither sides can nor will back off of Ukraine, making war inevitable.

In short, if the US get Ukraine, the US get Europe and (per Wolfowitz, the world), if Russia gets Ukraine, Russia gets Europe.

Control of Europe is the name of the game, everything is posturing, manoeuvering towards that goal.

Which would you choose ? As a European, I have had uncle Sam's cock rammed so far up my ass for the better part of 70 years that my tonsils are inflamed. I welcome team Russia with open arms because i do not want to live under the iron fist that the globalists pupetteers are preparing to bring down on us nor do I want my children to.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:57 | 4801406 Haus-Targaryen
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I live in Germany.  I would welcome the Russians here, if and only if, they bring with them an economic system that is essentially 180° opposite from what they had in the USSR. 

The USD is on the way it as is the American empire. It will be interesting to see who fills the vacuum, and hope it can be done without a world war.  

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:16 | 4801455 Confused
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I think here in the East people prefer not to have that meal again. Then again, I don't think they'd like the US either. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:00 | 4801561 Haus-Targaryen
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Fair enough. 

I would really prefer a United Germany that asserts herself independently of East and the USSA. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:04 | 4801426 Ghordius
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interesting view, yet I firmly believe that the window of opportunity for a unipolar world has shut down

and imho both Zbig and Wolfowitz exaggerated Ukraine's importance in geopolitics in general (it is important, but more for Russia than anybody else)

for criminy, don't forget that the "less than 10'000" US troops in Afghanistan need "Eurasian" bases just to keep supplied

why? because Pakistan shut the supply lines down. why? because of the drone war, there

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:11 | 4801444 Mabussur
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I firmly believe that the window of opportunity for a unipolar world has shut down

May you be a prophet in your own time.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:06 | 4802799 Seeing Red
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But I thought fighting a land war in Asia was generally regarded as a BAD idea -- and even demonstrable in the game Risk.  Oh well, I guess it's no longer true then.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:59 | 4801813 Telemakhos
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This.  There is no downside to this move.  Only, he probably doesn't even need the tanks at this point.  Tanks are blunt and visible.  Putin has learned that his best assets in the "conflict" so far were special forces without armor (or identification).  He's taken a lesson from that: pull back the tanks and offer the West no news footage of scary, military-looking things with which to justify sanctions.  Let softer power and special forces do the work; it's cheaper, more effective, offers the West less of a surface to attack.  Tanks just make for bad publicity, and it's not like the West is actually going to do anything against which a tank would be useful.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:43 | 4802021 Urban Roman
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... the "polite men in green".  Maybe with a few MANPADS.

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:53 | 4801269 Doña K
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This chess game is beyond comprehension as the permutations of who is working for what and with whom may not be what appears to be.

Time will tell. But whatever it is, Ukraine will not be the same country anymore.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:15 | 4801304 Mine Is Bigger
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I did a little digging because I though Putin's body language was strange when he met the Chinese president last week.  I found out Russia was very upset when the former Ukrainian President Yanukovych signed a friendship pact with China late last year.  The agreement included a clause that China would provide its nuclear umbrella to Ukraine if the country faced a nuclear threat.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4801305 Haus-Targaryen
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What does China get in return?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:24 | 4801324 Ghordius
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Influence in Europe. as in "Sphere of Influence". it's an old game, for which I have a little example: Albania during the Cold War. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Albanian_split

ever asked yourself why Barroso in his youth was Maoist? Chinese influence in Portugal

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:29 | 4801347 shadescale
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Women?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:55 | 4801401 negative rates
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Evil intentions and nothing more.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:52 | 4801396 Rakshas
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The chinese nuclear umbrella is something of a red herring, realistically; if the nukes start flying between countries around all bets are off across the board and I think self preservation will prevent the pulling of that trigger regardless of the "treaty or agreement" ...... of course none of this rationale should be applied to our own NeoConvicts in DC - there is just no reasoning with psychos...... especially those suffering dementia ...... just sayin'

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:07 | 4801410 Jon Steed
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I don’t see how that would bother Putin.  The last thing he would do is set off a nuclear explosion so close to his country.  Nuclear is a deterrent not a viable option.  With the technology deal made with China to upgrade their weapons he has more than enough hardware to do enough damage to take out Ukraine’s military bases and ground troops without much effort.  The issue is if he does this who will send in troops to assist Ukraine? NATO?   Then the fireworks start as you will see BRIC nations support each other and NATO will back down.  Didn’t the US just say they would not get involved in China's issues with Vietnam?  What about those Islands?  China will be looking for Russia to support them should they decide the time is right to move.  Ukraine is on its own.  Putin will get the east and then all the other regions will want to separate from Kiev.   Isn’t the east where the land and taxes are generated from?? Interesting times.  I’m sure it’s all in the Bilderberg playbook. Tin hats for everyone.

 

By the way on a side note what’s going on is pure genocide on the part of Kiev. How and why western leaders don’t stop the fighting from Kiev is an absolute disgrace.  NATO and the UN are relics and have no power to act they all brought and paid for. I really do feel for the people in the eastern regions of Ukraine who just want to live a peaceful life and not be run by a coup imposed government who will lead them along with the west and the IMF into debt and despair.  Anyway don’t get me started as I feel a vein about to pop.

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:23 | 4801472 Mine Is Bigger
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I think Putin has every reason to be bothered by the deal because it meant China moved to boost its influence in Russia's backyard.  Just because they signed a gas deal does not mean Russia sees China as a dependable ally.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4801307 Winston Churchill
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Ukraine ceased to exist back in Feb.It had already financially died before that.

Family and 'friends' are picking the house before the executor arrives.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:02 | 4801836 TheReplacement
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1.  He cannot come off as a warmonger.  He needs to be seen as a savior versus the warmongers in the west.

2.  Why would anyone deserve to have NATO nukes on their border?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:39 | 4801249 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Yep, first humanitarian aid followed by arms. Putin is playing the game well.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:39 | 4801364 chapaev's ghost
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Putin is playing this thing carefully, and well. When one is being compared to Hitler, one has to be careful. Certain tribal interests are eager to see Putin and Russia go down. These tribal interests run the west's media and financial machines, and to a large extent, the same tribal interests control the political machine.

Putin did three things to earn the ire of the tribal interests.

He kicked the tribal oligarachs out of Russia.

He defended Syria.

He defends Iran.

Putin knows that whatever he does, he will be compared to Hitler and that Russia will be marginalized. It's just like being in a bar, and having someone pick a fight with you. There's going to be a fight, no matter how you try to avoid it, because the drunken, stupid lout in front of you wants a fight. The drunken lout is crazy like a fox. It wants you to throw the first punch. If you do, then you will get pulverized. However, if the fight can be delayed long enough for the other bar patrons to realize you are not the aggressor, and especially if the lout can be drawn out enough to throw the first punch, then perhaps you may end up with some help.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:50 | 4801387 Ghordius
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interesting, yet utterly un-european view. we don't "do tribes", here. we call them nations. if you have to resort to tribalism to explain the situation, then you are most probably from a country that might have a national identity, but not the way you find them in Europe, in "real blood" (or genetics, if you prefer)

Putin did not "kick out tribal oligarchs out of Russia". he just took a note out of Mussolini's fascist handbook and "kicked them until they were proper patriots". this kicking was done with poison, ropes and prisons, and decreased Russia's corruption levels

Syria and Iran are Sphere of Influence moves, as usual in the Great Game

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:58 | 4801409 Haus-Targaryen
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He was referring to jews brosef. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:06 | 4801430 BadDog
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Code talk in times of political correctness.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:10 | 4801439 Ghordius
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PC is one of the scourges of the West. another one is antisemitism, but if I could choose I'd get rid of the first. nevertheless, looking back to what I wrote I think it's solid

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:03 | 4801570 Haus-Targaryen
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I love being the anthesis of PC here in Germany. 

You can say fuck as loudly as you want to in a crowded restaurant, and no one bats an eyelash -- you say Juden loud enough and you can hear the air escape from everyone's lungs.  When I am out to lunch with buddies -- its a ton of fun, but not first date material.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:07 | 4801433 Ghordius
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+1 my fault. now I see that. btw, Israel is busy talking with China. standing in the same queue like the Saudis

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:04 | 4801853 TheReplacement
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One doubts the level of corruption has been decreased in Russia.  More likely the corruption was shifted from the "tribal oligarchs" to the richest man in Europe - Putin himself.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:23 | 4801471 caconhma
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Sorry my fellows ZHedgies,

Putin is a mobster, a thief, a coward, and POS.

He is just another zionist banking mafia lackey.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:05 | 4801862 TheReplacement
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I agree but certainly some lackeys have an eye on the brass ring and without a doubt Putin will play along until he sees his chance to grab it.  Look at how he played Georgia.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:35 | 4801238 sangell
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As Frontline showed last night, the most 'humanitarian' thing Putin could do would be to withdraw his thugs and agent provocatuers.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:37 | 4801243 ThisIsBob
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After you Uncle Sam.  Didn't you start this whole mess?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:06 | 4801864 TheReplacement
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East/West go home.  Ukraine for Ukrainians.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:12 | 4802346 Volkodav
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And your definition of a Ukrainian is?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:37 | 4801247 Quinvarius
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You saw that on TV, huh?  The East already voted for independence.  The West is invading.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:38 | 4801250 Haus-Targaryen
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or gas you.  I think that would probably be the best thing he could do. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:11 | 4801293 atthelake
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You and Frontline are spouting the party line because you don't know what you're talking about, and you need to educate yourself. To that end, these sites may help

 

vineyardsaker.blogspot.com

paulcraigroberts.org

 

America started this war to loot the country the same way America starts war after war after BS war. American politicians are war criminals and you, still, need to educate yourself.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4801310 Mercedes
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Vice News is providing by far the best on the ground coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B

 

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:24 | 4802189 Dublinmick
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Former republican lackeye, Paul Craig Roberts can't write two sentences without identifying America as calling all of the shots on the global scene. He and Lendman get really old. America is being of course used as a tool and owes 18 trillion dollars largely to the queen's banker Mr. Rothschild. American SSA numbers originate in London. America is called a bankrupt corporation by Black's law book.

Yet we see story after story of how Washington is dragging these poor Europeans along by the hair of their heads when in fact they are making the policy. It is being done in Brusells and London. Of course if you believe most of what you see around you is the policy of bama and Michele, you probably believe in the tooth fairy also.

Roberts was shilling for London as a high profile member of the republican party and he is doing it now, with ridiculous efforts presently by pointing the finger away from the man behind the curtain.,

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:53 | 4801547 One of We
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"As Frontline showed..."

LMFAO!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:35 | 4801688 dogbreath
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Front line eh?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:07 | 4801872 TheReplacement
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Might as well just Obama.  Frontline and all the other big money publications/shows are in the tank.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:36 | 4801242 Quinvarius
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Kiev is shelling its own population in the East.  I don't think they give a crap about humanitarianism any more than the Nazi's did in WW2.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:39 | 4801251 Canucklehead
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I suspect Russia is genuine in it's offer of humanitarian aid. It would be a good move to work a deal where Russian aid can be delivered.

After all, the Ukraine and Russia need to work together. Also, Germany is watching.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:12 | 4801435 chapaev's ghost
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Putin has the upper hand. He can afford to wait; draw out the aggressors, get them into the open.

Russia owns Ukraine's gas.

Ukraine is the world's second most nuclear-dense nation after France. Russia owns Ukraine's nuclear technology. Those fucking time bombs called nuclear power plants won't run without Russian-made critical, life-limited parts. Some of the parts can be supplied by the West- some can't.

Half of Ukraine's population is Russian.

Half of Ukraine's military is Russian.

Ukraine is broke, and engaged in a civil war. Putin can sit back, watch the hyrvnia go Zimbabwe, watch the whole nation grind to a halt without energy, and he can play brinksmanship with the Chernobyl option, ie, he can wait until the nuclear crisis approaches critical, and then invade under the pretext of avoiding a possible human extinction event, ie a multiple meltdown scenario.

Germany needs Russia more than Russia needs Germany. German manufacturing has moved to Russia in a big way. The Germans have billions invested in Russia. The Germans depend on Russia for energy supplies. Germany is locked in an alliance with the West, and is under the influence of certain dual-national interests, but Germany's heart is not in the fight. A vaccillating, double-minded, and essentially unwilling ally is worse than no ally at all. That is the sort of ally Germany is to the US. Putin knows this. If nothing else, right now the KGB is recruiting German agents of action and influence, and essentially, Russia knows pretty much everything that going on and being said in NATO in real time.

Putin asks to deliver humanitarian aid to eastern Ukraine, this puts the ball definitely in the Chocolate King's court. If the CK says no, then he loses the serve for appearing to be a stooge and lackey to the Odessa/Tel Aviv axis.  The greatest irony of all is that the CK is in power because of actions by Right Sector and other neo-Nazi groups! A little financial pain, actual hunger, and shivering through a winter in unheated flats with walls of Soviet-made reinforced concrete will cause the Right Sector thugs to realize the full extent of their anti-Semitic bile, which they will project with great force in the direction of their dual-nationality, CK President.

If the CK says yes to Putin's offer of humanitarian aid, then Russia has the opportunity to put forces on the ground in eastern Ukraine, to be the genuine good guy, and to essentially guarantee the independence of the eastern proivinces from Kiev. A federated Ukraine will never join NATO- as a nation, a federated Ukriane is as good as being re-annexed to Russia in its entirety.

I'd say Putin is playing this perfectly.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:40 | 4801522 Canucklehead
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You are not paying attention.

Putin doesn't split his hand on eights or less.

Germany and Europe want Russia and the Ukraine to make up. Putin knows this and is likely negotiating something in the way of a face saving deal to cover his walking away from the Russian Ukrainians (who were never his people to begin with).

The Ukrainian Oligarchs backing the Russian Ukrainians will lose big time. Both the West, and Russia will blame them for bringing events to such a head.

Yanukovich, his sons, and their friends will have a lot of explaining to do. For the right price, they will be turned over to Ukrainian justice.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:42 | 4801255 Donlast
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The new President gets in, said he was seeking peace and immediately starts killing separatists.  He has shown his hand.

So Putin makes his move  - and he has outfoxed them again.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:49 | 4801264 Ghordius
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I thought he is in charge only from June 1st on?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:54 | 4801270 Haus-Targaryen
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Either way --

Absent Russia cutting off the Ukranian gas or invading -- West - 1 : Russia - 0.

Sad to say. But this is the way it is looking. 

Having seen the Bilderburger list -- I am much more inclined to trust the Russians than the West at this point -- given no Russians were invited.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:59 | 4801273 fallout11
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The Russians, and Soviet Union before them, were a competing economic system and socioeconomic pyramid (Unfortunately for the SU, a smaller one....but sometimes reorganization and new leadership can turn things around).
That is why they have not and likely never will be invited.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:57 | 4801404 negative rates
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Why? were they trust busters??

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:43 | 4801358 tonyw
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Poroshenko is not to be trusted one inch, "seeking peace" was purely for the voters so he would be elected, bit like hope and change, Gulf of Tonkin ....

His masters are Nuland etal, he doesn't control all the government departments, some such as military and secret service are under the control of his political rivals.

IMHO he will do whatever the highest bidder wants or promises he can steal from the country.

Meanwhile the attacks on civilians continue.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:25 | 4801477 chapaev's ghost
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"His masters are Nuland etal..."

Thank you for another euphemism. I will use it.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:32 | 4801494 chapaev's ghost
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A for the Ukranian secret service, my guess is that it is as reliable (to Porochenko) as a 1983 Yugo, er, 1985 Trabant, er, 1972 Volga.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:42 | 4801256 SoDamnMad
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"We think we can get the aide to the point of need via T-72 tanks and Hind attack helicopters."  Lavrov

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:05 | 4801856 viahj
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who do they think they are, UN Blue Helmets?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:45 | 4801260 Solomon the KING
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Brilliant !

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 07:45 | 4801261 tocointhephrase
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Trojan Horse

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:27 | 4801342 youngman
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Yes if I was Kiev....I would inspect what is being delivered first..is it food and meds..or rifles and ammo...Putins idea of humanitarian aid is having enough ammo to keep fighting...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:52 | 4801395 Peter Pan
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Wrong gentlemen, in my view at least. Putin has his Crimean prize and does not want much more than for things to settle down and sanctions to be ceased. In any case if he goes further he may alienate nations which currently support him.

If I was him I would not want to be taking on unstable areas which still have sizeable populations of pro-Kiev natives and which are economically stuck in a quagmire.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:02 | 4801418 negative rates
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The mexicans are quite angry at the amount of weapons entering their country from the north and the damage they are doing to the people there. Why is it that we are always the ones making weapons and saying if we didn't make them someone else would. This is simply not the case, yet we refuse to admit the mistakes and worse, just add on the ones we have already made. Once again, the Federals, always wrong, but never in doubt.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:04 | 4801280 1000yrdstare
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Go Vlad! Freedom the shit out of them!!!! (sorry, thinking of U.S. policy...)

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:09 | 4801290 Uber Vandal
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99 years, 11 months; and 99 years, 10 months today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

Will history rhyme or repeat? There is no shortage of sparks looking for powder kegs lying about.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:09 | 4801292 Harry Dong
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How about a home heating credit?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:18 | 4801314 atthelake
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If Ukraine (or Europe) cannot get fuel for the winter, there will be horrible suffering.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:18 | 4801315 atthelake
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If Ukraine (or Europe) cannot get fuel for the winter, there will be horrible suffering.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:26 | 4801337 shovelhead
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It's moments like this that make you miss and appreciate Hillary's diplomatic statecraft.

"Humanitarian aid???

What difference does it make?"

At this point, Putin sits back and watches Candyboy, Droneboy and his cronies paint themseves in a corner.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:32 | 4801352 spellbound
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What our master planners have managed to achieve, is to replace an unpopular Syrian invasion (a boxer vs a baby), to which everyone was opposed, with a much larger conflict where everyone is rooting for Putin the Great vs Obama the Bitch. BUT A WAR THEY WILL HAVE!!! And that my friends is how you are manipulated. Feel free to congratulate yourselves for your... "BRILLIANCE?!?!".

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:37 | 4801359 Hannibal
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The US/Nato war criminals had set the strap for Putin to "invade" eastern Ukraine. Putin seem not to fall for it. O'bummer!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:40 | 4801363 Peter Pan
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Putin's offer of assistance is understandable. He has taken Crimea but has not moved to accept any more territory of Russophiles declaring autonomy. He needs therefore to show that he cares for them as well as to keep the door open to them into the future. If Ukraine does not respond then it will be seen to be what we know it is.....a scumbag collection of fascists with no regard for anything or anyone.

This offer is an attempt to deescalate the heated rhetoric and actions of Kiev. Let's see if he succeeds.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:45 | 4801530 chapaev's ghost
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 Ukraine is controlled by Nuland etal (see? very nice euphemism!), who "hope" to control rabid nationalist/neo-Nazi Vlasov-ites. But when you have a mad dog on the end of a chain, it is a sketchy proposition- it can turn and bite you as easily as someone else. The neo-Nazi's are torn- on the one hand, they hate Russia, and on the other hand they hate Jews. Who do they hate more? Time will tell.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:46 | 4801735 Itchy and Scratchy
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Long live the Jewuropean Union dream!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:47 | 4801379 Ides of November
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D-Day 70th Anniversary next week - maybe this is where Putin is planning on delivering his own Red Line to the likes of Obama, Cameron, Merkel & Hollande?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:50 | 4801385 spellbound
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It's an attempt to make Putin seem not too eager, to play the patient, reasonable statesman. And then, when all reasonable options are exhausted, and the eastern Ukraine people are suffering, he'll have no choice but to bring in the tanks.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:51 | 4801390 Last of the Mid...
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Humanitarian aid. Too funny, were the unmarked, full-auto armed storm troopers the first wave of their Humanitarian aid? Always ship the lead first! Whoever lives over it can have a biscuit.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 08:55 | 4801400 SMC
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If the NATO turds continue this insanity, Kiev and the rest of Europe will be the ones asking for "humanitarian aid" this winter.

The MSM propaganda is set to the same level of BS that we saw during media blitz to "justify" the second sand war. Even the most causal listener can see that "presenters" (not to offend real journalists) are nothing more than drone mouthpieces. Only parasites and idiots are chanting the "party line" and pointing at whoever they are told to.

The good news is that the current US regime continuously fails at operational security, realistic planning and execution. They have "spun" failure into success so many times that it appears they believe their own "spin" and act on their own lies, regardless of reality. Deep down many of them know they are unethical, immoral, and incompetent - fearing the very men and women sent to battle:

"The War on America’s Military Veterans, Waged with SWAT Teams, Surveillance and Neglect"

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-war-on-americas-military-veter...

Sickening.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:36 | 4801993 kurt
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Very very good. I especially liked "sand war."

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:00 | 4801412 the not so migh...
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Putin will send one guy in with a pick up truck carrying a carton of oranges, they guy will be killed by the nazies; then Putin will send in 500 tanks. 

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:00 | 4801416 Last of the Mid...
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Send in gun-running Benghazi Hillary! When you hear two loud thuds, that's her balls hitting the floor as she walks into the room. At that point anything is possible, or what difference does it make? We. . . must. . . .have . . . more . . . war . . . to drive our economy. Little people will just have to die. On another note, how many carbon credits is a human being? Is that a carbon credit or debit? If it's a credit we could start trading CIA on Wall street. Just a thought.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:27 | 4801483 MoneyThimbles
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I expect it won't be very long until shocked -- shocked -- Russian humanitarian aid workers find evidence that Kiev has used chemical weapons on civilians in the East. Putin has a good memory.

 

At that point, Putin could unilaterally announce that he is going to arm the opposition, just as the US has decided to arm the Syrian jihadists (sorry, 'opposition'), in an attempt to force Kiev to the negotiating table. Secondly he might decide to impose a no-flight zone on the Ukrainian air force, over pro-secessionist areas.

 

I'll be cheering him all the way. The US has gotten itself too high and mighty, and needs to have its face punched.

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:34 | 4802226 Winston of Oceania
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So go ahead take your best shot; then run and hide behind your mothers skirt because then we will be coming and we will be bringing hell to your front step.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:36 | 4801503 gcjohns1971
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Many Ukrainian Army people had lived and worked in Donetsk for years, training on the Army Bases, maintaining equipment, etc.

They weren't enthusiastic about Kiev or the parties who gained power.  They followed orders to empty seized government buildings, disburse roadblocks when they had to.  But they were dragging their feet and hoping everyone would calm down and start talking rather than shooting.

But it is the nature of violence to spiral out of control.  Any veteran could tell you.

Then some idiot told them they had to be gone in two days.  Sure the idiot was thinking only of the additional troops recently sent.  But the whole point is that the idiot wasn't thinking. 

Those Ukrainian Gov't functionaries were believers in Ukraine, not believers in the current government.

But the idiot put a gun to their heads and told them to leave their families and belongings behind in 48-hours or less - or die.

Who is dying now?

What would have happened if they instead gave these Ukraine Nationalists 60 or 90 days to leave... And then spent all that time trying to get them to stay, but in service to Donetsk?

The 48-hour deadline was the act of a petulant and stupid child who did not think things through.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 09:58 | 4801553 orangegeek
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And then the bells rings because recess is over.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:10 | 4801586 marriedgeordie
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Puck Futin - first he sends in those motherfuckers to destabilise the region, and now he is offering humanitarian aid. Go take care of your North Causasus and Abkhazia, Huilo!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:59 | 4801814 Taurine
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Yup too bad Zerohedge is full with smart money market shorters that get their news from Russia Today. Amazing at the amount of zombies here that suck Putins dink.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:07 | 4801877 Son of Captain Nemo
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Amazing at the amount of zombies here that suck Putins dink.

As opposed to sucking "blue helmeted soldier of love" Benny Netanyahu and his ass puppet President Remus?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:34 | 4801981 kurt
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Are you supposed to tickle a blue helmet of love?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:31 | 4801663 Son of Captain Nemo
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We don't kill no stinking civilians with our proxies!...

http://xrepublic.tv/node/9130

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:43 | 4801727 Itchy and Scratchy
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Totally unnecessary. Asst Sec of State Victoria (F.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan has already handed out cookies!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:04 | 4801849 dsty
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wow great discussion and info

until the one liners

propheticaly speaking, Russia takes Ukraine, all of it

Then what you all have warned about the dollar fall will happen

This is a very important situation, way more important than a regional struggle

either way, if feel sorry for the civilians

But it seems we all may get stuck with what follows 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:25 | 4801947 RazvanM
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They are already providing humanitarian aid: rocket launchers, AA guns, even ex-special forces fighters.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:27 | 4801957 BullyBearish
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To see the concern over what Putin may do takes only a look at bond yields.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:45 | 4802029 The wheels on t...
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The last thing Putin wants is a war, he is already slowly killing the west with $110 per barrel, and in time like cocaine addicts they will need MOAR because the west have limited domestic supplies (as previously highlighted on RT news)

The only thing left in the engine for the West is to destablise Russia again, to stop the momentum of a choke of the petro dollar, they need Syria, they need Qatars gas, they dont want Russian Hedgemony. 

If Russia was going to officially enter Ukraine, they would have done it already, but see if the rackets gets notched up in Syria, i reckon Putin would go toe to toe with the West. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:51 | 4802055 dsty
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disagree, as prev mentioned at the start of this thread, he is playing this out quite smartly

he wants to look like the saviour

but we know it won't be pretty

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:28 | 4802209 Winston of Oceania
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i reckon Putin would go toe to toe with the West

Not for long there skippy and so what if he gives NATO a black eye when in exchange he gets his whole head tore off.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:51 | 4802062 kurt
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Could this be a Jewish vs Russia war? I mean, who is insisting on pushing this forward? I'm inclined to believe that it is the actual knife that will be used to kill the USA. Finance is strangling the former middle class. Who is benefiting from the concentration of wealth? Our lawyers have paved the way for the deregulation that was the stage set for the housing bubble. Glass Stegal was taken away, deriviatives were invented, all this repackaging. At some point a loss of love for and a blood lust ensued. Its almost like the a switch was thrown. Is it as simple as a refusal to kill Iran or follow through with the next Sand War? Are they tired of their American toy? God knows they can make us or break us. Where is the counterveiling force? Where are the ones who still believe in us, the hope, Constitution, the idea of an enlightened experiment to show the world? Are they all learning Chinese? What is this malaise? Has it been a terminal program all along by elitists who hate and live to crush the idea of an empowered citizenry? I remind you that we are still a young country. Why are most movies and media so dismal? What happened?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:26 | 4802201 Winston of Oceania
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deriviatives were invented

False premis, von Mises speaks of derivatives in his book Theory of Money and Credit penned shortly after the first world war.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:33 | 4802218 kurt
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swallow a camel knat boy. how about look at the numbers, the volumes, check a chart. 

OK, so they dusted off and took advantage of a stupid idea...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:39 | 4802243 Winston of Oceania
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Listen dip shit the "dusted off idea" you speak of has been in practice for nearly a hundred years fucking dolt. The numbers and volume are no larger than before when considering the size of the economy as a whole. Go back to Russia you bag licking Putin sausage wallet.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:04 | 4802116 BullyBearish
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Here is your answer Kurt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:28 | 4802210 kurt
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I believe what Carlin says but WHY would a sheepherder kill his own flock? Why would a dairyman shotgun his cows? Why would a manufacturer go into to his plant and blow up his machines and kill his workers? Why would someone slowly poison his best friend?

There is INSANITY driving us down and we do nothing?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 15:35 | 4802792 Joe A
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Humanitarian aid is NATO lingo for bombing the shit of out a place in order to enforce regime change and/or getting access to some natural resource.

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