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Someone Is Lying: Obama Says Not Arming Syrian Rebels, Syrian Rebels Say He Is

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As we noted yesterday, President Obama is saying he is contemplating arming and training Syrian rebels (just the 'moderates' which will be identified by their smiles). However, as the following PBS Frontline documentary exposes, the Syrian rebels themselves say they are already armed and trained by US in the use of sophisticated weapons and fighting techniques, including, one rebel said, "how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush." The interviews are the latest evidence that after more than three years of warfare, the United States has stepped up the provision of lethal aid to the rebels, as PBS notes "it appears the Obama administration is allowing select groups of rebels to receive US-made anti-tank missiles." So who is lying? Obama (again) or the Syrian rebels (who show US-made supplies in the following clips).

The whole interview is noteworthy and damning for the administration but the good stuff starts around 8:00

As PBS explains,

The documentary, produced by FRONTLINE for airing on PBS stations, features journalist Muhammad Ali, who has been following the Syrian civil war for the program. It shows Ali meeting up with a seemingly moderate faction of the rebels, though the faction itself is not identified — apparently for fear of angering its American contacts.

 

Ali is shown riding with a rebel supply officer as he traveled to the Turkish border to reportedly pick up American-supplied Russian weapons and ammunition, but he is not allowed to accompany the fighters to the actual meeting.

 

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The commander of the unit also told Ali that their American contacts had asked him to bring 80 to 90 members of his unit to Ankara for training.

 

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One of the fighters said they received three weeks of training in how to conduct ambushes, conduct raids and use their weapons. They also said they received new uniforms and boots.

 

“They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road,” said the fighter, who is identified only as “Hussein.” “They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.”

 

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The United States has refused to confirm its growing efforts to help the fighters. Neither the Pentagon nor the CIA would comment on Frontline’s findings.

 

For the United States, publicly embracing such an effort presents many challenges, chief among them widespread opposition among U.S. voters for more direct U.S. involvement in the Syrian conflict.

 

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Perhaps because of those reasons, Congress has never publicly signed off on funding for a training and arming effort, and officially, the United States only provides non-lethal aid, like food rations, clothing and first aid supplies.

Of course, we are sure anyone from the government looking into this will be shocked and not have a clue how it could have happened... who is responsible for the decision... and who is funding it... once again we ask... who is lying?

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:39 | 4802955 999.9
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Every day things become more ridiculous...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:44 | 4802969 Chupacabra-322
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No, it's actually full out Retard.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:48 | 4802987 Troll Magnet
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You know it's coming, so, I might as well say it and get it out of the way.

 

BUUUUUUSH'S FAULT!!!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:59 | 4803013 hedgeless_horseman
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"US soldiers are not fighting in Cambodia," said Tricky Dick.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:06 | 4803049 macholatte
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OOPS!

Somebody at PBS is going to lose his job.

 

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:09 | 4803056 Berspankme
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How can we tell when  Obanana is lying?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:14 | 4803061 Relentless101
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I am absolutely shocked...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:15 | 4803065 outamyeffinway
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Yeah, I'll believe the rebels over Obama any day. I would believe a compulsive liar over Obama.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803095 0b1knob
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"Someone is lying...."

Argument is a false dilemma.  EVERYBODY is lying.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:45 | 4803168 AlaricBalth
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Presenting the Nobel Peace Prize winning Lord of War!!!

Yuri Orlov: "The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I *do* rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of *your* enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:47 | 4803179 SWRichmond
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The guy at the end who notes that the Americans don't appear to want eithee them or the regime to win, is right.  They want the fighting to go oin forever.  That's why they call it the "Military Industrial Complex".  There's no profit when fighting stops.  Your lives mean nothing.  Only money matters.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:51 | 4803190 El Oregonian
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Moar Woar!!!!

sarc off //

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:11 | 4803859 markmotive
Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:50 | 4803193 Jethro
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He was absolutely right.  It's interesting if you take a step and look at the big winner of this outcome is though.  Israel.

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:33 | 4803524 Herd Redirectio...
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DIVIDE and MOTHERFUCKIN CONQUER, bitchez.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:35 | 4803531 johngaltfla
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Actually, the US has been supplying the Al-Qaeda rebels and those in Syria of ill repute for a while now. The Repugnicants have been unwilling to out the Obama regime over this aggregious action:

 

Enjoy your Flight: US to Supply Al Qaeda with Shoulder Fired Anti-Aircraft Missiles (via Saudi Arabia)

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 20:47 | 4803760 palmereldritch
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YES WE CAN!*

 

*lie about arming Al-Qaeda

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:14 | 4803064 unrulian
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His mouth is open

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:32 | 4803118 effendi
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NOT TRUE!

Just because Obama has his mouth open doesn't mean he is lying. 

He has it open much of the time to service Reggie.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:23 | 4803497 max2205
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Now we know where those billions of rounds for TSA and the Post Office ended up. 

 

Well played

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:46 | 4803576 g'kar
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Ahhh, well said. I knight you as an honorary member of my tin-foil-hat clan of one.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803092 newbie vampire
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"How can we tell when  Obanana is lying?"

Whenever he speaks.

But we should admire his ability to convert non-lethal aid to guns, ammo, anti-tank missles etc.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:42 | 4803365 AmCockerSpaniel
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Is anyone keeping count on the number of times Obama has lied?  YES; I'm too old to count

that high, but maybe one of you young one's can.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:13 | 4803270 Ignatius
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"Somebody at PBS is going to lose his job."

Alternate hypothesis:  someone at PBS is doing their job.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:57 | 4803607 bigmango
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Exactly - PBS is becoming a total psy-ops shop directed at  US liberals. The limited hangout on domestic spying last week and now the Ukraine/Syrian propaganda. Frontline has become a sad but effective joke. Assad is butcher but it's disheartening when our own government's behavior is worse. Install puppet regimes if possible but simply creating maximum chaos is fine as well. Loved the chemical weapons segment where a staged phone call is made and supported by a self-described unsubstantiated YouTube video from somewhere showing something. Nice journalism by the presstitutes. The Ukraine segment was even worse. I was dumbfounded watching PBS highlight the glories of brave young Right Sector youth. These guys are overtly Nazi and the PBS coverage was almost a recruiting video. Too bad they forgot to show the sweet little community barbecue Right Sector had in Odessa a couple of weeks ago. Guess they missed that one.

 

PBS........Presstitute Bull Shit

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:03 | 4803239 Uncle Remus
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They were in Laos.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:48 | 4802988 Pladizow
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iI anyone, anywhere, in any capacity, at anytime in history, should be impeached - its FUCKING OBUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:29 | 4803105 Dr. Engali
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You're confused citizen. Clearly we should impeach a man getting a blow job. That's a treasonous action right there.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:59 | 4803230 sodbuster
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume you  are referring to Slick Willie. The fact that he was getting a BJ from someone other than his wife, wasn't a shock to me, nor did I consider it an impeachable offense. Knowing his past, I would have been shocked if he WASN'T getting some action on the side. What bothered me was he lied on national TV to the American people about it, and then committed perjury and lied under oath. Only when the evidence proved otherwise, did the low-life SOB fess up and admit it. All and all, a big waste of time and money, and as usual, the US burns, while Congress diddles.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:01 | 4803825 Cathartes Aura
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prezzydents lie on TeeVee all the time, have since TeeVee was first installed in the sheeple-dens.

while I'd never want to be taken as makin' excuses for the Slick Willy, ever wonder just what "lesson" he was being taught by those who pull'd his strings, just where he might have been thinking about acting outside of his script'd role?

too late now, but maybe one day when the "official secrets acts" get lifted. . .

((har har har))

 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:16 | 4803278 Ignatius
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Do we get to imprison Cheney, Rummy and Bush the same day?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:50 | 4802989 Rainman
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Is this another one of those ' which Muslim is lying ? ' questions

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:04 | 4803011 Joe Davola
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I think you forgot foreigner between Muslim and is.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:49 | 4802992 Say What Again
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After all the stuff that has been revealed by whistle-blowers like Mr. S., the lies to congress by every top government and banking official, why does anyone even bother to listen to their rhetoric.  We know they're lying, and we might know the truth years after the fact, but only maybe.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:20 | 4803075 john39
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yes, citizen... but remember, its the iranians who are the terrorists who can't be trusted with nuclear energy (or weapons).  we lie because we must to protect you and the little children around the world...  to make the world safe, and nourish the rule of law. 

ok, had to stop and vomit at that point.   one really gets the sense that thing are spiraling out of control.  buckle up.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:07 | 4803451 ObamaDepression
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You realize its Iran supplying Assad right?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:49 | 4802993 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, so far we know that... "Nixon is not a crook", and that "Obama is not a liar".

Right?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:42 | 4803155 Took Red Pill
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That depends on what your definition of "is" is

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:18 | 4803071 Urban Redneck
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"Finishing off" survivors is a war crime.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:43 | 4803153 newbie vampire
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""Finishing off" survivors is a war crime."

Not if it is sanctioned by the CIA./sarc

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:10 | 4803462 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

"Finishing off" survivors is a war crime.

Then those Syrian1 Freedom Fighers®2 are being trained by the world's best. But hey, it's on the dime of the taxpayers3 so they might as well splurge.

 

1 - Tunisian, Saudi, Yemeni, Libyan, Chechen, Egyptian, Iraqi, Turkish, Jordanian, et al.

2 - terrorists

3 - brainwashed debt slaves

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:19 | 4803035 Smegley Wanxalot
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As long as the US MSM dont report that Oblowhard is arming the rebels, then he is not arming the rebels.

The EUSSA had nothing to do with Kiev, either.  I know because it wasn't in the MSM.

And we definitely aren't fastly and furiously arming Mexican drug gangs.  That would be all over MSNBC if it were true.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:20 | 4803287 SAT 800
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Where are the guys from the grassy knoll when we need them?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 06:02 | 4804720 what's that smell
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somebody is lying?

john kerry is a liar, a coward, a war criminal, and a traitor.

john kerry should man-up.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 20:50 | 4803774 j0nx
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They feel that full auto weapons and other heavy military weapons for Syrian terrorists is fine (at your expense I might add) but are actively doing everything they can to outlaw semi auto squirrel guns for you Joe citizen. This is what has become the absurdity of the USA.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:41 | 4802956 Canadian Dirtlump
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We have known lies, and we have.. unkown lies.

 

*shiits pants*

 

it is the US rebels vs the CIA rebels vs Dr. Assad? LOL.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:53 | 4803005 Kirk2NCC1701
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With a Rebel Yell he cried More, More, More!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:55 | 4803015 rubiconsolutions
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Maybe Snowden knows and will tell Brian Williams tonight.

/s

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:03 | 4803829 Cathartes Aura
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did you ever think you'd type that, way back in those heroic months, erm, last year?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:10 | 4803252 Radical Marijuana
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LOL!

Paraphrase Rumsfeld's

"4 unknowns:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_known_knowns

Some macabre humour as relief from thinking about the millions of women and children who are homeless refugees due to the banksters playing their "great game" while moving pawns through Syria.

I find it practically impossible to imagine how a political puppet like Obama struts about, since, to me, the hidden strings pulling him are not visible, and therefore, his behavior is as incomprehensible as an illusory magic trick, which trick I am not particularly aware of. However, at least, I may still have enough rationality left to consider those possibilities?

In my opinion, the vast majority of Americans have been conditioned to suspend their ability to think critically, in order to watch the political show. Welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World Folks, it is NOT possible to even barely begin to understand what President Obama says and does unless one assumes that there must have been a long, long history of successful criminal conspiracies, on level after level, which has made the government of the USA become what it is now ...

Thousands of years of The Art of War, where success was based on deceits, and spies were the most important soldiers, has resulted in Gordian knots of hyper-complicated, collectively entangled, social insanities. I imagine President Obama as a political puppet who has been spinning around and around, faster and faster, and so, has become so tightly coiled in the tangled knots of his convoluted control strings that he no longer moves in ways which pulling on any of the strings previously predicted.

Obama became President because he was the best professional liar and immaculate hypocrite able to read a teleprompter, whose lines were approved of by the puppet masters. However, my view is that those puppet masters have become criminally insane, and their control threads so tangled up that they no longer can control their puppets in sufficiently regulated ways to predict what is going to happen.

What happens to a puppet that get so tightly entangled in the systems which control him that he no longer can figure out what he is supposed to be jerked by his strings to do?

I regard President Obama as a Puppet Commander in Chief, whose control strings have become so totally entangled that he no longer receives coherent sets of controls from those pulling his strings. In old-fashioned poetry of The Waste Land:

“Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed onto the world”

Obama is a political puppet manifesting that problem, where there have been so many levels of criminal conspiracies, for so long, that have been controlling the government of the USA, that it has become runaway criminal insanity, which, of course, is proportionately insane to the degree that it refuses to recognize that problem, i.e. almost totally!  The almost infinite tunnels of deceptions through which Obama operates are like the "4 unknowns" in the sense that there are the matching 4 kinds of lies.

I am NOT asserting that I fully understand those unknown layers of lies that control the government of the USA. I am saying that NOBODY does, including Obama himself! In my view, the criminal conspiracies which were able to take control over the government of the USA have collectively become criminally insane, and therefore, President Obama is a political puppet whose de facto behavior represents that phenomenon publicly. Furthermore, in my opinion, those who personally blame Obama, as an individual, for having become that kind of puppet are wrong when they deliberately ignore the long, long history of successful criminal conspiracies which created the civilization in which we are currently living, which has, due to the nature of the paradoxes of their own success, created conditions which are collective criminal insanities.

THE FUNDAMENTAL PARADOX IS THE FINAL FAILURE WHICH RESULTS FROM SUCCESSFULLY CONTROLLING CIVILIZATION THROUGH DECEPTION, BACKED WITH DESTRUCTION. President Obama is a political puppet upon that stage of history, when the sheer insanity of the overall situation is become more and more obvious, as the control strings of the puppet get so totally entangled in their own layers of lies that there no longer is left the possibility of coherent behavior.

From a sublime point of view, (setting aside the human tragedies and suffering actually being caused) this is slapstick humour, where the political puppets' control strings become so totally entangled that they themselves can not longer keep their own different kinds and layers of lies straight.  Obama got his job by being the best professional liar and immaculate hypocrite available to do that job. However, that does not mean he is able to function, after his job as a political puppet has finally gotten his control strings too entangled for him to be able behave coherently.

Of course, I do not exempt myself from that fate. In my view, we are ALL stuck inside of a runaway criminally insane civilization, whose success based upon lies backed by violence is reaching the points of final failures from the history of too much successful criminal conspiracies controlling governments for so long, that those governments, and the societies they govern, have become runaway manifestations of criminal insanities. Given those facts, I presume it is actually a waste of time to bother to become aware of those facts, because there are no reasons to believe anything will change, other than that the situation will continue to become even more insane in the future than it already is now.

In a condition so fraught with insanities, to be sane is to expect more of the same kinds of insanities in the future, however, there is nothing satisfying about that kind of sanity ... Hence, I would rather indulge in my own kind of insanities, such enjoying a little macabre humour LOL, to mask my awareness that the only hopes for any better future that I have are necessarily irrational hopes, because the only reasonable thing to actually expect is that the established systems are going to get much more insane, as they go through much worse psychotic breakdowns.

The performances that political puppets such as Obama perform for the public depend upon the nature of that public to match that. In this case, I presume that the degree to which the public magicians have been presenting their charlatan shows as somehow not being due to illusions, but somehow not faked tricks, but rather, "real magic," match large segments of the audience who want to believe in the magical tricks that their puppet politicians present to them?

People wanting to believe in magical tricks appears to be the foundation of the political success of politicians like Obama. I guess I can sympathize with that, because I like to indulge in the irrational hope that enough people will stop wanting to be tricked, in order that things could change to get better. HAH! Such an unrealistic and unreasonable hope actually means that I waste my time day dreaming about that. However, after we reach the point where the control of civilization by legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, becomes the kind of runaway criminal insanity situation that it already has, there is no longer any reasonable option left to still be successful by agreeing to continue working within those established systems: Damned if we do & Damned if we don't.

We are reaching the turning points, where the previous successes of criminal conspiracies controlled the governments, through their resulting puppet politicians, have become so totally entangled in the snares of of their own lies, spinning around and around, too much, for too long, that there seems nothing left than to go through the social storms of the psychotic breakdowns of those systems. There are no reasonable ways to expect that can be prevented now ... only some secondary political miracles that MAYBE those psychotic breakdowns could be mitigated to become less bad than they might otherwise be, and so, we MIGHT better recover after those social storms blow through their psychotic breakdowns, due to civilization have been successfully controlled by deceits backed by destruction so much for so long that civilization has become runaway criminal insanity.

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