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Someone Is Lying: Obama Says Not Arming Syrian Rebels, Syrian Rebels Say He Is

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As we noted yesterday, President Obama is saying he is contemplating arming and training Syrian rebels (just the 'moderates' which will be identified by their smiles). However, as the following PBS Frontline documentary exposes, the Syrian rebels themselves say they are already armed and trained by US in the use of sophisticated weapons and fighting techniques, including, one rebel said, "how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush." The interviews are the latest evidence that after more than three years of warfare, the United States has stepped up the provision of lethal aid to the rebels, as PBS notes "it appears the Obama administration is allowing select groups of rebels to receive US-made anti-tank missiles." So who is lying? Obama (again) or the Syrian rebels (who show US-made supplies in the following clips).

The whole interview is noteworthy and damning for the administration but the good stuff starts around 8:00

As PBS explains,

The documentary, produced by FRONTLINE for airing on PBS stations, features journalist Muhammad Ali, who has been following the Syrian civil war for the program. It shows Ali meeting up with a seemingly moderate faction of the rebels, though the faction itself is not identified — apparently for fear of angering its American contacts.


Ali is shown riding with a rebel supply officer as he traveled to the Turkish border to reportedly pick up American-supplied Russian weapons and ammunition, but he is not allowed to accompany the fighters to the actual meeting.




The commander of the unit also told Ali that their American contacts had asked him to bring 80 to 90 members of his unit to Ankara for training.




One of the fighters said they received three weeks of training in how to conduct ambushes, conduct raids and use their weapons. They also said they received new uniforms and boots.


“They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road,” said the fighter, who is identified only as “Hussein.” “They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.”




The United States has refused to confirm its growing efforts to help the fighters. Neither the Pentagon nor the CIA would comment on Frontline’s findings.


For the United States, publicly embracing such an effort presents many challenges, chief among them widespread opposition among U.S. voters for more direct U.S. involvement in the Syrian conflict.




Perhaps because of those reasons, Congress has never publicly signed off on funding for a training and arming effort, and officially, the United States only provides non-lethal aid, like food rations, clothing and first aid supplies.

Of course, we are sure anyone from the government looking into this will be shocked and not have a clue how it could have happened... who is responsible for the decision... and who is funding it... once again we ask... who is lying?


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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:39 | 4802955 999.9
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Every day things become more ridiculous...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:44 | 4802969 Chupacabra-322
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No, it's actually full out Retard.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:48 | 4802987 Troll Magnet
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You know it's coming, so, I might as well say it and get it out of the way.



Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:59 | 4803013 hedgeless_horseman
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"US soldiers are not fighting in Cambodia," said Tricky Dick.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:06 | 4803049 macholatte
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Somebody at PBS is going to lose his job.



Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:09 | 4803056 Berspankme
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How can we tell when  Obanana is lying?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:14 | 4803061 Relentless101
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I am absolutely shocked...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:15 | 4803065 outamyeffinway
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Yeah, I'll believe the rebels over Obama any day. I would believe a compulsive liar over Obama.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803095 0b1knob
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"Someone is lying...."

Argument is a false dilemma.  EVERYBODY is lying.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:45 | 4803168 AlaricBalth
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Presenting the Nobel Peace Prize winning Lord of War!!!

Yuri Orlov: "The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I *do* rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of *your* enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:47 | 4803179 SWRichmond
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The guy at the end who notes that the Americans don't appear to want eithee them or the regime to win, is right.  They want the fighting to go oin forever.  That's why they call it the "Military Industrial Complex".  There's no profit when fighting stops.  Your lives mean nothing.  Only money matters.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:51 | 4803190 El Oregonian
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Moar Woar!!!!

sarc off //

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:50 | 4803193 Jethro
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He was absolutely right.  It's interesting if you take a step and look at the big winner of this outcome is though.  Israel.


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:33 | 4803524 Herd Redirectio...
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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:35 | 4803531 johngaltfla
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Actually, the US has been supplying the Al-Qaeda rebels and those in Syria of ill repute for a while now. The Repugnicants have been unwilling to out the Obama regime over this aggregious action:


Enjoy your Flight: US to Supply Al Qaeda with Shoulder Fired Anti-Aircraft Missiles (via Saudi Arabia)

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 20:47 | 4803760 palmereldritch
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*lie about arming Al-Qaeda

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:14 | 4803064 unrulian
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His mouth is open

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:32 | 4803118 effendi
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Just because Obama has his mouth open doesn't mean he is lying. 

He has it open much of the time to service Reggie.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:23 | 4803497 max2205
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Now we know where those billions of rounds for TSA and the Post Office ended up. 


Well played

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:46 | 4803576 g'kar
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Ahhh, well said. I knight you as an honorary member of my tin-foil-hat clan of one.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803092 newbie vampire
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"How can we tell when  Obanana is lying?"

Whenever he speaks.

But we should admire his ability to convert non-lethal aid to guns, ammo, anti-tank missles etc.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:42 | 4803365 AmCockerSpaniel
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Is anyone keeping count on the number of times Obama has lied?  YES; I'm too old to count

that high, but maybe one of you young one's can.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:13 | 4803270 Ignatius
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"Somebody at PBS is going to lose his job."

Alternate hypothesis:  someone at PBS is doing their job.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:57 | 4803607 bigmango
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Exactly - PBS is becoming a total psy-ops shop directed at  US liberals. The limited hangout on domestic spying last week and now the Ukraine/Syrian propaganda. Frontline has become a sad but effective joke. Assad is butcher but it's disheartening when our own government's behavior is worse. Install puppet regimes if possible but simply creating maximum chaos is fine as well. Loved the chemical weapons segment where a staged phone call is made and supported by a self-described unsubstantiated YouTube video from somewhere showing something. Nice journalism by the presstitutes. The Ukraine segment was even worse. I was dumbfounded watching PBS highlight the glories of brave young Right Sector youth. These guys are overtly Nazi and the PBS coverage was almost a recruiting video. Too bad they forgot to show the sweet little community barbecue Right Sector had in Odessa a couple of weeks ago. Guess they missed that one.


PBS........Presstitute Bull Shit

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:03 | 4803239 Uncle Remus
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They were in Laos.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:48 | 4802988 Pladizow
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iI anyone, anywhere, in any capacity, at anytime in history, should be impeached - its FUCKING OBUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:29 | 4803105 Dr. Engali
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You're confused citizen. Clearly we should impeach a man getting a blow job. That's a treasonous action right there.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:59 | 4803230 sodbuster
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume you  are referring to Slick Willie. The fact that he was getting a BJ from someone other than his wife, wasn't a shock to me, nor did I consider it an impeachable offense. Knowing his past, I would have been shocked if he WASN'T getting some action on the side. What bothered me was he lied on national TV to the American people about it, and then committed perjury and lied under oath. Only when the evidence proved otherwise, did the low-life SOB fess up and admit it. All and all, a big waste of time and money, and as usual, the US burns, while Congress diddles.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:01 | 4803825 Cathartes Aura
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prezzydents lie on TeeVee all the time, have since TeeVee was first installed in the sheeple-dens.

while I'd never want to be taken as makin' excuses for the Slick Willy, ever wonder just what "lesson" he was being taught by those who pull'd his strings, just where he might have been thinking about acting outside of his script'd role?

too late now, but maybe one day when the "official secrets acts" get lifted. . .

((har har har))


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:16 | 4803278 Ignatius
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Do we get to imprison Cheney, Rummy and Bush the same day?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:50 | 4802989 Rainman
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Is this another one of those ' which Muslim is lying ? ' questions

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:04 | 4803011 Joe Davola
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I think you forgot foreigner between Muslim and is.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:49 | 4802992 Say What Again
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After all the stuff that has been revealed by whistle-blowers like Mr. S., the lies to congress by every top government and banking official, why does anyone even bother to listen to their rhetoric.  We know they're lying, and we might know the truth years after the fact, but only maybe.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:20 | 4803075 john39
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yes, citizen... but remember, its the iranians who are the terrorists who can't be trusted with nuclear energy (or weapons).  we lie because we must to protect you and the little children around the world...  to make the world safe, and nourish the rule of law. 

ok, had to stop and vomit at that point.   one really gets the sense that thing are spiraling out of control.  buckle up.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:07 | 4803451 ObamaDepression
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You realize its Iran supplying Assad right?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:49 | 4802993 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, so far we know that... "Nixon is not a crook", and that "Obama is not a liar".


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:42 | 4803155 Took Red Pill
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That depends on what your definition of "is" is

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:18 | 4803071 Urban Redneck
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"Finishing off" survivors is a war crime.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:43 | 4803153 newbie vampire
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""Finishing off" survivors is a war crime."

Not if it is sanctioned by the CIA./sarc

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:10 | 4803462 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Finishing off" survivors is a war crime.

Then those Syrian1 Freedom Fighers®2 are being trained by the world's best. But hey, it's on the dime of the taxpayers3 so they might as well splurge.


1 - Tunisian, Saudi, Yemeni, Libyan, Chechen, Egyptian, Iraqi, Turkish, Jordanian, et al.

2 - terrorists

3 - brainwashed debt slaves

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:19 | 4803035 Smegley Wanxalot
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As long as the US MSM dont report that Oblowhard is arming the rebels, then he is not arming the rebels.

The EUSSA had nothing to do with Kiev, either.  I know because it wasn't in the MSM.

And we definitely aren't fastly and furiously arming Mexican drug gangs.  That would be all over MSNBC if it were true.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:20 | 4803287 SAT 800
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Where are the guys from the grassy knoll when we need them?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 06:02 | 4804720 what's that smell
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somebody is lying?

john kerry is a liar, a coward, a war criminal, and a traitor.

john kerry should man-up.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 20:50 | 4803774 j0nx
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They feel that full auto weapons and other heavy military weapons for Syrian terrorists is fine (at your expense I might add) but are actively doing everything they can to outlaw semi auto squirrel guns for you Joe citizen. This is what has become the absurdity of the USA.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:41 | 4802956 Canadian Dirtlump
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We have known lies, and we have.. unkown lies.


*shiits pants*


it is the US rebels vs the CIA rebels vs Dr. Assad? LOL.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:53 | 4803005 Kirk2NCC1701
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With a Rebel Yell he cried More, More, More!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:55 | 4803015 rubiconsolutions
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Maybe Snowden knows and will tell Brian Williams tonight.


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:03 | 4803829 Cathartes Aura
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did you ever think you'd type that, way back in those heroic months, erm, last year?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:10 | 4803252 Radical Marijuana
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Paraphrase Rumsfeld's

"4 unknowns:"

Some macabre humour as relief from thinking about the millions of women and children who are homeless refugees due to the banksters playing their "great game" while moving pawns through Syria.

I find it practically impossible to imagine how a political puppet like Obama struts about, since, to me, the hidden strings pulling him are not visible, and therefore, his behavior is as incomprehensible as an illusory magic trick, which trick I am not particularly aware of. However, at least, I may still have enough rationality left to consider those possibilities?

In my opinion, the vast majority of Americans have been conditioned to suspend their ability to think critically, in order to watch the political show. Welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World Folks, it is NOT possible to even barely begin to understand what President Obama says and does unless one assumes that there must have been a long, long history of successful criminal conspiracies, on level after level, which has made the government of the USA become what it is now ...

Thousands of years of The Art of War, where success was based on deceits, and spies were the most important soldiers, has resulted in Gordian knots of hyper-complicated, collectively entangled, social insanities. I imagine President Obama as a political puppet who has been spinning around and around, faster and faster, and so, has become so tightly coiled in the tangled knots of his convoluted control strings that he no longer moves in ways which pulling on any of the strings previously predicted.

Obama became President because he was the best professional liar and immaculate hypocrite able to read a teleprompter, whose lines were approved of by the puppet masters. However, my view is that those puppet masters have become criminally insane, and their control threads so tangled up that they no longer can control their puppets in sufficiently regulated ways to predict what is going to happen.

What happens to a puppet that get so tightly entangled in the systems which control him that he no longer can figure out what he is supposed to be jerked by his strings to do?

I regard President Obama as a Puppet Commander in Chief, whose control strings have become so totally entangled that he no longer receives coherent sets of controls from those pulling his strings. In old-fashioned poetry of The Waste Land:

“Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed onto the world”

Obama is a political puppet manifesting that problem, where there have been so many levels of criminal conspiracies, for so long, that have been controlling the government of the USA, that it has become runaway criminal insanity, which, of course, is proportionately insane to the degree that it refuses to recognize that problem, i.e. almost totally!  The almost infinite tunnels of deceptions through which Obama operates are like the "4 unknowns" in the sense that there are the matching 4 kinds of lies.

I am NOT asserting that I fully understand those unknown layers of lies that control the government of the USA. I am saying that NOBODY does, including Obama himself! In my view, the criminal conspiracies which were able to take control over the government of the USA have collectively become criminally insane, and therefore, President Obama is a political puppet whose de facto behavior represents that phenomenon publicly. Furthermore, in my opinion, those who personally blame Obama, as an individual, for having become that kind of puppet are wrong when they deliberately ignore the long, long history of successful criminal conspiracies which created the civilization in which we are currently living, which has, due to the nature of the paradoxes of their own success, created conditions which are collective criminal insanities.

THE FUNDAMENTAL PARADOX IS THE FINAL FAILURE WHICH RESULTS FROM SUCCESSFULLY CONTROLLING CIVILIZATION THROUGH DECEPTION, BACKED WITH DESTRUCTION. President Obama is a political puppet upon that stage of history, when the sheer insanity of the overall situation is become more and more obvious, as the control strings of the puppet get so totally entangled in their own layers of lies that there no longer is left the possibility of coherent behavior.

From a sublime point of view, (setting aside the human tragedies and suffering actually being caused) this is slapstick humour, where the political puppets' control strings become so totally entangled that they themselves can not longer keep their own different kinds and layers of lies straight.  Obama got his job by being the best professional liar and immaculate hypocrite available to do that job. However, that does not mean he is able to function, after his job as a political puppet has finally gotten his control strings too entangled for him to be able behave coherently.

Of course, I do not exempt myself from that fate. In my view, we are ALL stuck inside of a runaway criminally insane civilization, whose success based upon lies backed by violence is reaching the points of final failures from the history of too much successful criminal conspiracies controlling governments for so long, that those governments, and the societies they govern, have become runaway manifestations of criminal insanities. Given those facts, I presume it is actually a waste of time to bother to become aware of those facts, because there are no reasons to believe anything will change, other than that the situation will continue to become even more insane in the future than it already is now.

In a condition so fraught with insanities, to be sane is to expect more of the same kinds of insanities in the future, however, there is nothing satisfying about that kind of sanity ... Hence, I would rather indulge in my own kind of insanities, such enjoying a little macabre humour LOL, to mask my awareness that the only hopes for any better future that I have are necessarily irrational hopes, because the only reasonable thing to actually expect is that the established systems are going to get much more insane, as they go through much worse psychotic breakdowns.

The performances that political puppets such as Obama perform for the public depend upon the nature of that public to match that. In this case, I presume that the degree to which the public magicians have been presenting their charlatan shows as somehow not being due to illusions, but somehow not faked tricks, but rather, "real magic," match large segments of the audience who want to believe in the magical tricks that their puppet politicians present to them?

People wanting to believe in magical tricks appears to be the foundation of the political success of politicians like Obama. I guess I can sympathize with that, because I like to indulge in the irrational hope that enough people will stop wanting to be tricked, in order that things could change to get better. HAH! Such an unrealistic and unreasonable hope actually means that I waste my time day dreaming about that. However, after we reach the point where the control of civilization by legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, becomes the kind of runaway criminal insanity situation that it already has, there is no longer any reasonable option left to still be successful by agreeing to continue working within those established systems: Damned if we do & Damned if we don't.

We are reaching the turning points, where the previous successes of criminal conspiracies controlled the governments, through their resulting puppet politicians, have become so totally entangled in the snares of of their own lies, spinning around and around, too much, for too long, that there seems nothing left than to go through the social storms of the psychotic breakdowns of those systems. There are no reasonable ways to expect that can be prevented now ... only some secondary political miracles that MAYBE those psychotic breakdowns could be mitigated to become less bad than they might otherwise be, and so, we MIGHT better recover after those social storms blow through their psychotic breakdowns, due to civilization have been successfully controlled by deceits backed by destruction so much for so long that civilization has become runaway criminal insanity.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:41 | 4803559 Razor_Edge
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed onto the world


In fact this is from the poem "The Second Coming" by William Butler Yeats composed in 1919.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 01:36 | 4804535 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, right, I misread this article, after I did a quick google search to look for that famous quote:

Sorry for the mistake.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:40 | 4802959 Sticky Wicket
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Hasn't Obama 'decided' to arm the rebels about 4 different times now?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:42 | 4802965 Canadian Dirtlump
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the global "he" has been arming them since before the war started and Robert "the satanic pied piper" marched into damascus with his death squads.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:03 | 4803043 BlackChicken
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"arm" or "fist"?

Make sure we are asking the right question...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:44 | 4803162 Jethro
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Merely semantics with the Catamite In Chief

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:45 | 4803169 newbie vampire
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"Hasn't Obama 'decided' to arm the rebels about 4 different times now?"

Obama is a modest man. He doesn't want to take credit for the mayhem in Syria.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:40 | 4802960 Duc888
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"moderate" rebels.

Gotta love it.

Yet Harry Reid says if you believe in the Constitution you're a domestic terrorist.


Fuck Yea....go USA, USA, USA, USA......




Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:47 | 4802984 drendebe10
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That corrupt, arrogant fossilized old fahrt needs his wrinkled skin sand papered off, rolled in salt and then thrown in the middle of the Nevada desert in July....

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:42 | 4802961 goldhedge
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US State Dept. Lying fuktards.


Wait for the Blowback America.


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:45 | 4802977 Canadian Dirtlump
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You can fukkin say that again boss.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:52 | 4803006 Winston Churchill
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State is paid to lie FOR the USA.

Obozo just lies TO the USA because narcissistic psycophaths just can't help themselves..

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:03 | 4803040 CH1
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Honestly, I think State calls a lot of the shots.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:04 | 4803046 Winston Churchill
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Kerry ?

Pull the other one, its got bells on.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803097 kchrisc
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"Wait for the Blowback America."

Problem is, we probably won't recognize it when it comes, because it will just look like another DC US false-flag.

"Is that a 'terrorist' bomb or a DC US bomb?!"

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:42 | 4802962 goldhedge
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Obama you lying fuktard.


Wait for the Blowback America.


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:42 | 4802967 maskone909
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They had to be taught how to shoot someone in the head? Wtf

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:58 | 4803019 astoriajoe
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I'm sure he meant the more extensive procedure of reading Miranda rights, properly restraining them using anti-chafing handcuffs, and transporting them to a secure detention facility that adheres to the geneva convention measures. I'm sure that's what he meant.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:43 | 4802968 Chupacabra-322
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"Let me make this perfectly clear. We will continue to support, arm, fund & train the exact same terror organizations we claim to protect The American People from."

-Barry Sortero AKA Barak Hussain Obama

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:56 | 4803017 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dear BS/BHO,  Is their FSA in Syria different from our FSA in the USSA?

Or will both take Stuff, as long as it's Free?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:45 | 4802974 drendebe10
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Duh...... what else would anyone expect from the corrupt, arrogant, narcissistic, illegal indonesian kenyan muslim sociopathic ignoramus liar in chief only interested in its grand imperial celebrity and golf life style.... 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:10 | 4803057 Stripey Magee
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Both parties are corrupt from top to bottom, do you think it would be different with McCain or Romney? I say hell no!


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:35 | 4803087 Dr. Engali
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Yep, make sure you throw that little disclaimer in there every time there is any crititcism of "the one" as if we didn't know that both parties are corrupt through and through already. You can always tell the people who have been disillusioned by their choice of being suckered into voting for a fraud.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:07 | 4803842 Cathartes Aura
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oh come on Doc, it's not like these threads don't debate daily who next to vote for. . .

if folks here truly believed "both parties are corrupt through and through" then why the hell keep propping them up?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:48 | 4803962 Husk-Erzulie
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Here in the squishy twilight zone between the Hydrocarbon Golden Age and Peak Extraction I, for one, don't prop... I prep (bitchez).

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:46 | 4802978 Gunga
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 The National Defense Authorization Act states very clearly that it is a federal offense to knowingly support organizations that support or fund terrorists. If I pay federal taxes I am in violation of the 2012 NDAA because the federal government is funding Al Quaida.

I don't want to be a felon as described by the 2012 NDAA.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:53 | 4802996 Chupacabra-322
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President Obama waived a provision of federal law designed to prevent the supply of arms to terrorist groups to clear the way for the U.S. to provide military assistance to "vetted" opposition groups fighting Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.

The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced today that he would "waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the AECA related to such a transaction."

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:03 | 4803039 Winston Churchill
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Did he wave the Sedition Act as well ?

Not in his power tto do so.

Giving aide to the enemy in wartime is a capital offence.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:38 | 4803128 the grateful un...
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thats an interesting image, the nobel peace prize handing down around the presidents neck, and a rope around his neck pulling straight above.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:30 | 4803110 Dr. Engali
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Nice to know that the president can wave laws now.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:50 | 4803191 Winston Churchill
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Or waive even, but maybe wave was right, he just waves them away.

Its good to be a king, old king George isn't looking so bad now.

Actually pretty hands off in comparison to this clown..

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:39 | 4803353 kurt
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It's not illegal when a President does it.  Richard M. Nixon

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:49 | 4802991 buzzsaw99
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owebomba enjoys lying, in fact, he prefers it. if it makes no difference whether he tells the truth or a lie he would rather lie. practice, practice.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:50 | 4802994 tuttisaluti
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the us is a terrorist supporting country

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:52 | 4803004 buzzsaw99
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the usa IS a terrorist country. fixed it.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:21 | 4803290 Radical Marijuana
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The government of the USA is the result of too many successful criminal conspiracies taking control, too much, for too long. Hence, the majority of American people thereby lost control over "their" government long ago.

The rogue element control over the government of the USA is the biggest terrorist organization in the world. (fixed it for you.) However, the vast majority of Americans are NOT in that loop, other than by being coerced to pay taxes, or by being fooled by professional liars to not understand the deceptions which they too are the victims of.

It is arguable that the majority of American people themselves are the greatest victims of "their" government, even more so than the people in other countries, which has been attacked by the terrorist dominated government of the USA. These events tend to spiral around through history to come back home even worse than they were developed abroad, because it was the successful crimes at home that first started that spiral of criminal insanities, which later then pick up energy abroad, until those developments may return home as social storms of hurricane proportions.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:52 | 4803002 Senseless Urina...
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Excellent Frontline last night, two parter on Ukraine then Syria.  The Syrian "rebels" sure looked like they were having great fun with their US supplied TOW missiles but expressed great disappointment in no anti-aircraft materials.  They pretty much said with no way to fight enemies in the sky they had no chance of winning.  Interesting too that many of the small arms and ammo supplied by US - CIA supporters were all Russian made. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:56 | 4803209 Tsunami Wave
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I watched this last night myself.  I thought the Ukraine bit had some propoganda in it.  With Syria, I was surprised they were at least telling most of the story.  Interesting bits overall.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:54 | 4803009 Bosch
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Not surprising considering how to "finish off" gay soliders is the only military concern of the Obama administration.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:55 | 4803012 saints51
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I will believe the Syrian rebels over Obama anyday. Hell, I will believe the Syrian rebels before any politician.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:01 | 4803031 orangegeek
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Who's lying?  That's like trying to guess which pile of shit smells worse.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:02 | 4803034 ptoemmes
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Depends on the definition of contemplating....

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:02 | 4803036 blindman
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breaking news ...
the o man administration has concluded there is no
military solution in afghanistan after 13 years of not being
able to figure that out or conclude that when
people who know nothing of international affairs
knew that and concluded that decades before the conflict
was initiated. so where next to steal-waste 3 trillion dollars,
violate international law, shamelessly murder innocent
men, women and children to later conclude there is no
military solution? you see, i get this foreign policy
stuff and i never even went to school for it.
we are dealing with either extremely dense or evil
people here, maybe some magical "winning" combination?
can it get better or worse, can it ever change?
can we ever change?
someone is lying alright, , i wonder if anyone could
even hear the truth?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:03 | 4803041 Colonel Klink
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I don't believe the terrorist, I believe the Syrian.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:12 | 4803059 Arnold
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Maybe the unnamed station chief in Afghanistan?

Maybe former ambassador Stevens?

Quien sabe, kemo sabe.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:12 | 4803060 Davos
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Keystone cops...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:16 | 4803067 newbie vampire
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President Obama is not lying despite the PBS doco, its just that he doesn't see the need to speak the truth.  That makes him dangerous rather than just incompetent.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803094 SpanishGoop
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His excuse "It wasn't me lying, it was the teleprompter".


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:19 | 4803074 esum
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the syrian people were set off by obama and now subjected to an "obamanation" 

slow bleed for the rebels .... masacre for citizens.... great work obama... what did you say ... send in ussa mercs with manpads.... ok..... but they are already there and the manpads were shipped from lybia..... what's that .. you dont know where they went.... ah yah mean like fast and furious middle east style.... gottcha... roger/out. that's ok.... they will show up at an airport near you inthe near future.. take a while to get them across the tex mex border but obama did give us a national park to work in... 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:20 | 4803078 SpanishGoop
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Free weapons and trainging and still complaining.

O wait, they are muslims.


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:21 | 4803080 kchrisc
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Obama is following the "Clapper" doctrine: As long you don't "wittingly" lie, it's not lying.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:33 | 4803120 chubbar
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I thought that was the George Costanza doctrine? "Remember Jerry, If you believe it, it's not a lie"! (or something like that)

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:22 | 4803083 agstacks
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Phony scandal.  {s}

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:25 | 4803098 starman
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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:32 | 4803113 SmittyinLA
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I'm confused is the grifter kenyan with the classified resume' lying or the jehadis? 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:32 | 4803114 Joebloinvestor
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Benghazi 2.0

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:33 | 4803117 besnook
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how much of this crap are russia and china going to take? not much. your american way of life is being sacrificed for empire worst of all in defense of another country(what threat is syria to the usa? who is it a threat to?). saudi arabia has decided china makes a better partner than the usa(or israel). the usa has lost that entire region(and tens of thousands of america's best) for the sake of the promised land. it would have been easier and more expeditious if israel were nuked. in fact, i propose the usa ask iran what kind of discount on a barrel of oil they would suggest for just that mission.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:33 | 4803121 the grateful un...
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apparently some of these rebels were brought to Miami for airline pilot training, the group showed up late for the beginning course, on how to take off, and left before the final section on how to land the plane.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:35 | 4803122 Took Red Pill
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This administration would never lie to us!
They are also working on implanting chips in people's brains. But don't worry, it's to help the vets with PTSD as part of Obama's $100 million brain initiative;

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:36 | 4803125 debtor of last ...
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In the Netherlands, the 'school collective' is now 'changed' into a student loan system.

'To pay for better teachers and a better system'

As we speak bitchez... mainstream is doing its job, ebola is spreading.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:43 | 4803148 debtor of last ...
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AND, i got a message from my mortguage provider today.... i can change my 'guaranteed' insurance into an insurance policy... without a 'guarantee', but with less cost...

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:41 | 4803146 tony wilson
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so much negative neutrino

so little reggie love.

have yar seen the scar on that mothefuckers head dat aint from eatin pussy dat cia open skull tavistock operations.

he aint lie in der same way a computer cannot lies it just defective programme software.

blame cfr,the bush cartel and master rothschild.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:42 | 4803154 Jethro
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Fucking DC Idiots never learn.  I'm sure these "Syrian" troops wouldn't ever dream of using these new learned skills on US soil ever.... 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:36 | 4803538 Village-idiot
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Sounds just like the CIA arming the Afghan Rebels to fight the Russians. Look how that turned out!

Out of it came Osama bin Ladin etc. who later turned on his benefactors bigtime.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:44 | 4803161 BigInJapan
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What Geneva Convention? Ain't no Geneva Convention up in this motherfucker!

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:45 | 4803167 Gregor Samsa
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That comic is a riff on this "classic:"

The U.S. has been employing their "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" foreign policy for so long now this is hardly surprising. When these Syrian rebels get out of hand, we will just arm some other group to take care of them, and so on.

Who really benefits from all this?  The military industrial complex.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:55 | 4803213 Hongcha
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Re comic riff - see 1939 New Yorker cover.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:26 | 4803307 Radical Marijuana
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Hah! Same old story, except it gets presented at lower resolutions, becoming more like a stylized cartoon, with every reiteration. Wave bye, bye, to the mirror image in the mirror?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 17:49 | 4803186 freedom5000
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sp PBS is also a shill of the US gov? They and qatar just want a pipeline, dress it up as some humanitarian BS.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:07 | 4803251 1stepcloser
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Obummer is correct he isn't arming them, the CIA solved

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:11 | 4803261 bugs_
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Fatwa and Furious

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:18 | 4803282 ThisIsBob
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Lying?  Nah.  He just doesn't have a clue about what's going on - most everywhere.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:25 | 4803305 Atomizer
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Thanks for going on record Obama. You just fist fucked yourself. No going back after you crossed your own red line. You need to accept responsibility, not others. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:33 | 4803331 Old Poor Richard
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Who's lying, Obama or al Qaida?  Is there a punch line to this? 

Nice to know that the United States is training terrorists in how to murder uniformed combatants in violation of the Geneva Convention.  Even Hitler somewhat adhered to the Geneva Convention.  Not our War-Criminal-in-Chief, though.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:12 | 4803467 ObamaDepression
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Did you watch the whole video? They're fighting againts a regime that is doing chemical attacks against civilians.

What were you saying about Genevea Conventions again???????????

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:26 | 4803506 Village-idiot
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The most recent conlusion as to who used the chemical weapons has decided it was probably Turkey that used them.

They were trying to give the US an excuse to get involved so they could also get the natural gas pipeline brought in from Saudi-Arabia and Oman. Turkey would make a lot of money on that pipeline as it would cross Turkey on it's way to Europe.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 21:02 | 4803826 bigmango
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As I said in a previous post, you mean the part of the show where a staged phone call is filmed and use of chemical weapons is supported by a self-described unsubstantiated YouTube video from somewhere showing something. That's some soild journalism right there. The thug Assad is winning, so why would he do the only thing that could get NATO involved? There is no controvery here, the entire segment was designed to build support for increased US involvement amoung the PBS viewership. Chaos is good for business even if they don't get their pipeline.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:46 | 4803375 RaceToTheBottom
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But wait, they are getting Russian weapons.

That makes it all right, no?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:52 | 4803395 STG5IVE
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Well you can't get ATGM's off of ebay, or can you?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:10 | 4803461 ObamaDepression
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See those TOW missiles?

That's why Putin stopped after Crimea. Those same missiles are almost certainly in Ukraine too.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 22:11 | 4804025 Husk-Erzulie
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Without tactics and battle experience those same missiles are just expensive, dangerous hardware.  The Right Sector dweebs are not Hezbollah, not by a long fucking shot.  You are very annoying.  Every point you make is regurged prop.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:19 | 4803491 Village-idiot
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Obama wants to emasculate Putin any way he can. Getting the natural gas pipeline built across Syria is very high on the list. The US got rid of Sadam, Gaddafi and Mubarak in order to get what they want (to get the respective countries into debt and therefore under IMF control). Now Obama wants rid of Assad who sides with Russia.

Each time the US has deposed any leader, the minority groups, mostly Christians, have suffered far worse under the new US allied governments.

We only have to look at how minorities are being treated by these US-supplied rebels to know what to expect.


Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:28 | 4803510 Uncle Remus
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President Stimpy.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 22:14 | 4804036 Husk-Erzulie
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Resident Pimp.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:31 | 4803520 Stan522
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This whole Benghazi ordeal was all about funneling arms into Syria. That's why they couldn't rescue the Ambassador. The "uprising" was a failed kidnapping event all spoiled by Woods and Doherty. There wasn't meant to be any resistance.

Obama was supposed to personally negotiate the release just before the elections. No one will be interrogated and no one will be charged and there is a free flow of arms going to Syria still today and the media is complicit as usual.....

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:40 | 4803554 p00k1e
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What's Rush and Palin saying about this matter at hand? 



Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:43 | 4803567 Village-idiot
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Remember back during the Reagan administration, the Iran-Contra mess? Oliver North? etc, and how the news-media was all over the Republicans?

Isn't this basically the same thing? The US supplying rebels with arms but trying to hide it. Money-laundering through Libya and Turkey.

These are the true criminals in the world today.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 19:54 | 4803592 p00k1e
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The Genghis Khan or Nero type authority figures have been tossed out the window.


We're corporate. 

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 22:16 | 4804045 DrData02
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They teach us "how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.”

"Murder".  The correct word is "murder".  Killing defenseless wounded and captives.  That's murder.  Apparently the US military is so good at this we give lessons. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 01:44 | 4804543 Aussiekiwi
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No,no,no, it is saving them! saving them from a slow death from infection in a country with limited medical care.

All depends how you spin it, besides as long as they are not Americans who cares?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:58 | 4806450 flyingcaveman
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So, really its humanitarian assistance then.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 23:28 | 4804283 TNTARG
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I was reading...

In public, he was hypocritically pretending to be for peace; but at the same time he was threatening any country ready to pursue a policy of peaceful understanding with the freezing of assets, with economic reprisals, with demands for the repayment of loans, etc. Staggering information to this effort can be derived from the reports of Polish Ambassadors in Washington, London, Paris and Brussels.

(...) this man began to strengthen his campaign of incitement and threatened to take all possible Congressional measures against the "Authoritarian States", with the exception of war, while alledging that other countries were trying to interfere in American affairs and insisting on the maintenance of the Monroe Doctrine (...)

In contradiction to all the tenets of international law, he declared that he would not recognize certain Governments which did not suit him, would not accept readjustments, would maintain Legations of States dissolved long before or actually set them up as legal Governments. He even went so far as to conclude agreements with such Envoys and thus to acquire a right simply to occupy foreign territories.

Interesting, isn't it? That was a long, long time ago.

Once again one should never stop reading and searching and questioning and thinking and... Remember that nothing can be taken for granted. 

By definition, History should be the study of the past,  and indeed History forms the main part of the human knowledge. 

But we may go back to the study of the past. Over and over. Exercise critical thinking in order to understand reality.

It's been long since common people don't do that anymore. We (they) have turned History into a collection of axioms, shaped it as a dogma (a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true, primary basis of an ideology).

Voltaire said "History is the lie commonly agreed upon".

And Henry Ford, "History is more or less a bunk". And Ambrose Bierce, "History: An account, mostly false, of events, mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers, mostly knaves, and soldiers, mostly fools."

And Gustave Flaubert, "Our ignorance of history makes us libel our own times. People have always been like this".

Well, I believe we should do our best to avoid being "like this".  


As hard as it is not to be another brick in the wall.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 01:42 | 4804541 Aussiekiwi
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Obama is not lying, he simply does not know the truth, he is told what his handlers believe he needs to know, his main reason for existence is to make soothing speeches with lots of buzz words to the public either assuring them that all is well,  or that thanks to American moral superiority it will be made alright. Then he is put back in his box.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 02:22 | 4804579 Rootin' for Putin
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one of those tow missiles is going to end up being boxed up and shipped to a presidential limosine route one day.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 11:07 | 4805650 ImpotentRage
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Given Obama's track record when it comes to telling the truth, I am inclined to believe the rebels, even without any evidence otherwise presented.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:57 | 4807954 SyriaL Stowlker
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I'm watcing this clip now as I write from Aleppo , Syria ...

These are nothing but Amateurs , they're not showing the real terrorists they're arming and training ... A total bullshit deception propaganda .

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