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Dust Bowl Conditions Have Returned To Kansas, Oklahoma And North Texas

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

In early 1978, a song entitled "Dust in the Wind" by a rock band known as Kansas shot up the Billboard charts.  When Kerry Livgren penned those now famous lyrics, he probably never imagined that Dust Bowl conditions would return to his home state just a few short decades later.  Sadly, that is precisely what is happening.

When American explorers first traveled through north Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, they referred to it as "the Great American Desert" and they doubted that anyone would ever be able to farm it.  But as history has shown, when that area gets plenty of precipitation the farming is actually quite good.  Unfortunately, the region is now in the midst of a devastating multi-year drought which never seems to end.  Right now, 56 percent of Texas, 64 percent of Oklahoma and 80 percent of Kansas are experiencing "severe drought", and the long range forecast for this upcoming summer is not good.

In fact, some areas in the region are already drier than they were during the worst times of the 1930s.  And the relentless high winds that are plaguing that area of the country are kicking up some hellacious dust storms.  For example, some parts of Kansas experienced a two day dust storm last month.  And Lubbock, Texas was hit be a three day dust storm last month.  We are witnessing things that we have not seen since the depths of the Dust Bowl days, and unless the region starts getting a serious amount of rain, things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get any better.

Over the past two months, very high winds and bone dry conditions have made the lives of ordinary farmers in the state of Kansas extraordinarily difficult.  Just check out the following excerpt from a recent article posted on Agriculture.com...

The dust has settled, but for how long no one can be sure. At any moment, the winds may blow, moving the topsoil -- soil that took Mother Nature generations to craft -- even farther from its origin.

 

One farmer reckons that precious topsoil, native to his farm in Kearny County, Kansas, now sits in a field at least 200 miles away, blown there by the relentless winds of March and April 2014.

 

Affecting counties in western Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas, and eastern Colorado, it was reminiscent of what folks in the same region faced 80 years ago.

 

"There were several days we couldn’t see 100 yards in front of us," says Tom Hauser, a farmer near Ulysses, Kansas. "We didn’t know where the dust was coming from. It was moving in here from somewhere else, just like it did back in the 1930s."

When heavy winds blow day after day but there is no rain, it creates ideal conditions for dust storms.  According to the same article that I just mentioned, the average wind speed in the little community of Syracuse, Kansas has been over 50 miles an hour so far this year...

Since the beginning of 2014, the average maximum daily wind speed in Syracuse, Kansas, is 50.6 miles per hour, according to the Kansas State University Weather Data Library. In that same time, Syracuse has received just 1 inch of total precipitation.

 

That is a recipe for disaster.

 

“I’ve had to chisel more ground this year than the last 20 years put together,” says Gary Millershaski, who farms near Lakin in Kearny County. Chiseling the ground roughs it up, and helps prevent soil from blowing – at least for a little while.

I couldn't imagine living somewhere with such high winds day after day.

But this is what farmers in the High Plains have to deal with on a constant basis.

And needless to say, when things are this dry those kinds of winds can kick up some immense dust storms.  In fact, a dust storm in late April was so large that it covered most of the region...

Monday's dust storm was so large it covered most of Kansas, western Oklahoma, the Texas Panhandle and eastern Colorado, said weather service meteorologist Jeff Hutton in Dodge City. Tuesday's dust cloud was more localized, only found in some parts of Kansas.

 

"That is what happens when you get drought, a lack of vegetation and you have wind," Hutton said. "I mean, that is just the nature of the High Plains. And then that dirt that was lofted is eventually carried into eastern Kansas."

When one of these dust storms strikes, you want to get indoors and stay there.  It isn't even safe to be driving.  When you can't even see five feet in front of you, the odds of getting into a fatal accident rise exponentially.  Just check out what happened earlier this year near the little town of Liberal, Kansas...

At least 12 vehicles were involved in an pileup accident near Liberal, Kansas.

 

The accident happened around 1:40 p.m., nine miles southwest of Liberal. It appears that blowing dust limited visibility so severely that it cause vehicles to not see each other until it was too late and they collided. One report states that visibility was less than five feet.

 

According to Chief Anthony Adams of the Tyrone Fire Department in Oklahoma, six of the vehicles involved were cars and trucks, the other six were tractor trailers.

As bad as things are in Kansas right now, the truth is that things are probably even worse down in Texas.  Amarillo has had 10 dust storms so far this year, and Lubbock has already had 15 days of dust storms in 2014...

The number of dust storms seems to rise with the length of the drought. Amarillo has had 10 this year; it had none in 2010. The city is about 10 percent drier now than the 42 months that ended April 30, 1936, and drier than the state’s record drought in the 1950s.

 

Lubbock already has seen 15 days with dust storms this year, the National Weather Service said.

And remember, we haven't even gotten to the summer months yet.

As conditions get even worse in the heartland of America, it is going to end up deeply affecting all of us.  The farmers and ranchers that live there provide a tremendous amount of food for the rest of the country, and food prices are already starting to rise at an alarming pace.

So what is going to happen if this drought extends for several more years or even longer?

Some experts such as paleoclimatologist Edward Cook have suggested that we could be in the midst of a "megadrought" that could last for decades or even centuries.

Many of those that were convinced that we could never see a return of the Dust Bowl days are now being forced to reevaluate their beliefs.  According to the National Weather Service, parts of Kansas, Colorado, Texas and Oklahoma are already drier than they were in the 1930s.  The following is an excerpt from a recent National Geographic article entitled "Parched: A New Dust Bowl Forms in the Heartland"...

Four years into a mean, hot drought that shows no sign of relenting, a new Dust Bowl is indeed engulfing the same region that was the geographic heart of the original. The undulating frontier where Kansas, Colorado, and the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma converge is as dry as toast. The National Weather Service, measuring rain over 42 months, reports that parts of all five states have had less rain than what fell during a similar period in the 1930s.

It is hard to put into words how incredibly serious this all is.

A few years ago, when I wrote articles with titles such as "20 Signs That Dust Bowl Conditions Will Soon Return To The Heartland Of America", a lot of people laughed.

Not that many people are laughing now.

The truth is that we are now in the midst of the worst drought crisis since the days of the Great Depression.

Fortunately, over the past week or so there has been some rain in some of the hardest hit areas.  Let us hope that this is a sign of better things to come.

Because if this drought does not come to an end, it is going to become much, much more expensive for Americans to feed their families.

And considering the fact that 49 million Americans are already facing food insecurity, that is a threat that should not be taken lightly.

 

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Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:28 | 4806298 Obama_4_Dictator
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Pics or it didn't happen

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:36 | 4806337 Stackers
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Texas panhandle drought is real. Also extends into north east New Mexico .... on the upside, there really is not that much farming that goes on out there. It's mostly empty scrub brush with some cows and parrie dogs. Most of Kanasa crops are grown in the eastern half of the state. Western Kansas is a desert. Google Kansas Sand Dunes for pics.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:42 | 4806369 Vampyroteuthis ...
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And considering the fact that 49 million Americans are already facing food insecurity, that is a threat that should not be taken lightly.


This sad fact has to do with our incompetent gov't and nothing with a drought. Wet or dry these people go hungry thanks to morons at the top.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:46 | 4806388 Canadian Dirtlump
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Indeed. Look no further than the swaths of land being destroyed growing ethanol shit corn instead of food. Either way this will be used to push the climate change agenda. Meanwhile we've had more snow that I can remember and it is raining like a bastard.

 

I really need to get a few acres and become a baby dick farmer.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:49 | 4806402 NotApplicable
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And those worthless fucking soybeans that they use to make all of the fake food.

Nothing quite like consuming the last few inches of topsoil for fuel and fake food.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:52 | 4806417 ZerOhead
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On the other hand the winds are at least blowing away the toxic pesticides and herbicides residing in that top layer...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:31 | 4806642 COSMOS
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That rich Ukraine farmland is looking mighty good right now.  A country about the size of Texas with lots of rivers and easy irrigation potential and nice arable land.  A relatively small population of 45 million which can be whittled down in size with a nice civil war.  Win win for USA, can get the land, the shale gas, the gold deposits, man you gotta be a dumbass not to rape that country if you are on a western board of directors.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:55 | 4806798 Colonel Klink
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3...2...1... before Piglosi blames Bush.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:57 | 4807079 tmosley
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I've lived in Lubbock for 14 years, and sandstorms are par for the course here in the springtime, but I noticed they have gotten far worse over the last two years.  I remember seeing a photograph of a haboob (the leading edge of a major sandstorm) coming over the Texas Tech campus from back in the 60's maybe five years ago and remarking that I had never seen anything that bad.  Well, last year I saw at least four haboobs and have seen two so far this year.  Had the displeasure of driving through one as I was almost home when it hit.  It did, in fact, get pitch black in the middle of a sunny day.  The other side was like a Mars-scape.  Dull red tinted and dusty.  Never seen it as bad as it was last month with that three day dust storm.  It was like a continuous mini-haboob.  Couldn't keep dust out of the house.  Filled the vacuum four times cleaning up afterwards.  I don't even want to go out to the garage...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:14 | 4807145 PoliticalRefuge...
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  @tmosley..

  I grew up as a kid in the fifties between Amarillo, Dumas and Dalhart and the dust storms I remember raged on for days on end.

Those red clouds went miles into the sky and nothing was spared, same with killing blizzards in the winters- the old timers that were there in the dust bowl said it was nothing compared to what happened before, things are the same now just different

I've lived in Arizona for the past ten years and these haboobs we have here are spectacular but are nothing in comparison-  with the Ogalalla aquifer now depleted, what will save them?

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:27 | 4808046 thestarl
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Don't even mention fracking.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:35 | 4807704 Uncle Remus
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.

 The other side was like a Mars-scape.  Dull red tinted and dusty.

 

Reminds me of flying into Tashkent, UZ near on sunset.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:50 | 4807321 Jack Burton
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Ukraine has been the target of German invasions twice in 1918 and 1941. The EU and USA want to use their NATO Armies to finally conquer and take Ukraine once and for all. This current war was strated by the USA as the beginning of their take over plans. They have found uselful fascists in West Ukraine willing to fight and die for the EU conquest and for NATO military bases. Fools seem easy to find West of Kiev. Right now hundreds of them are being killed trying to win all of Ukraine for US corporations and EU Brussels leaders. Stupid dupes doing Washington's dirty work. Seems only the East Ukrainians want freedom and independence. The Kiev coup leaders are simply paid billions of dollars to carry out the hand over of Ukraine to the US corporations and EU parliament. Germany is the EU, so it really is the German invasion using Ukrainian nazis to do the fighting. But, they are losing the war, they are being killed and captured.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:28 | 4807686 Omen IV
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Obama plan is to force massive exodus of refugees to Russia from the east and south U - which is why it makes no sense for Putin to be concerned about taking care of the east -  post invasion - he has exposure either way

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:13 | 4807138 Stuck on Zero
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I'm a bit skeptical about five months of average wind speeds at 50.6 MPH.  If true, the state could power the world from wind turbines.   I think the number should be closer to 15.6 MPH. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:37 | 4807716 Matt
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average maximum. Which sounds ridiculous to say out loud. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:57 | 4807354 ajax
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Murkins WILL be dieting and the sooner the better

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:31 | 4808412 fattail
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Don't forget wheat the most complex of carbohydrates that worthless sack of shit that makes the united states the most obese fat fucks on the planet.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:49 | 4806408 StacksOnStacks
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We have to destroy the top soil to see what's in it.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:05 | 4806860 zuuma
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"If you like your topsoil, You can KEEP your topsoil."

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:50 | 4807056 tmosley
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No, see, you have to understand.  We have to spread the topsoil around.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:08 | 4806398 ZerOhead
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And the MSM is pitching this yet again as due to... yup... Global Warming.

Now they just have to figure out a way to erase the distant memories of the past.

"We didn’t know where the dust was coming from. It was moving in here from somewhere else, just like it did back in the 1930s."

"Some experts such as paleoclimatologist Edward Cook have suggested that we could be in the midst of a "megadrought" that could last for decades or even centuries."

Regardless of whether this is CO2 induced global warming somehow... or plain vanilla natural climate change is not important at this point. The nation and world is going to need a plan that should not center on making some oligarch with connections to government rich.

Major water diversion plans or relocation of the affected population to Detroit should be made in the event that this phenomenon continues... which it will.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:52 | 4806774 Headbanger
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They call it  "Climate DISRUPTION" now

I'm waiting for them to call it "Climate rape" next

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:29 | 4806980 Canadian Dirtlump
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funny how a settled science keeps changing.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:57 | 4807355 Flakmeister
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What exactly has changed?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:51 | 4807931 cougar_w
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The English language, apparently. People use words to mean anything they like these days.

Flak, I've given up on these people. Got into last night with a few that I thought had some sense. Well I was wrong. I was reading this story today and I have to say I'm ready to just hand them over to the bitch:

http://theconversation.com/forget-saving-the-earth-its-an-angry-beast-th...

She can have them for all I care, and I hope she enjoys her meal. Seriously it's just not worth our time any more.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 23:59 | 4808590 MEAN BUSINESS
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Sorry COUGER_W, denied. Your resignation may be re-submitted 01JAN16 following U.N.F.C.C.C. Conference Of Parties 21 Paris. Now get to work Mr. W.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 00:11 | 4808607 The_Prisoner
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You know who is an even meaner bitch? The Sun.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/

Some of "these people' who you have given up on, are the people standing on the way of you finding out how does it feel like to be a Palestinian. You chum Flak knows this, but he belives he will be the one driving the bulldozers over the women and children, so he's going along.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 00:37 | 4808640 Flakmeister
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Re: Palestinians, hardly.....

BTW, did you actually closely read your NASA link? 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 01:19 | 4808690 MEAN BUSINESS
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“lots of interesting possibilities were suggested by the panelists.  However, few, if any, have been quantified to the point that we can definitively assess their impact on climate.”

Does Duh_Prissy know what AR5 WG2 reports on or who said what at the press release? Howz about his chum duh_element?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 05:49 | 4808825 The_Prisoner
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I knew you would pounce on that.

Except the fact there have not been a 50year warming, so the IPCC premise is wrong, and Raymond Bradley of "Global Warming and Political Intimidation" fame is as disonest and grant-hungry as you are, and won't miss a chance to try and misinform.

My position is that the climate is changing, however human activity is not a significant enough contributing factor to justify the fascist policies you people want to implement in name of the climate. Resources would be better spent in researching ways to deal with the natural variability and mitigate the need for natural resources and deal with real polution, such as heavy metals, radioisotopes, neurotoxins, etc...which do not include CO2. 

What is your position, Wall Street physicist?

 

 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 09:29 | 4809138 Flakmeister
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Well you have your science wrong...

To put it very simply, explain the Ice Ages while simulataneously explaining why increasing C02 levels by 40% doesn't matter....

We have met the enemy and he is us....

And any ideologicallly driven wishful thinking on your part ain't gonna change that...

BTW, I was a physicist a lot longer than I was on Wall St....

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:07 | 4807393 TahoeBilly2012
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North Sac River riceland...the buy of the Century.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:34 | 4807864 Slave
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"Settled science" is an oxymoron. Science has become a fucking religion and it's supposed to be the opposite.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 23:59 | 4808591 Flakmeister
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There is a lot more settled science than you can imagine...

Jump off of a 4 story bldg sometime...

If you want a great example of unsettled science google BICEP tensor modes

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:53 | 4808116 kchrisc
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Yup.

I don't usually like to use science to refute BS, but here we go...

The earth's mean radius is about 3,959 miles. About 99% of the earth's atmosphere, by volume, is below 60, 000 feet (~12 miles). By adding that 12 miles to the radius and working thru the math, one finds that the volume of the atmosphere from the earth's surface to 12 miles is 2,370,706,688 cubic miles. Now, .039% of that, or 924,576 cubic miles, is carbon dioxide.

Mankind burns 3 to 4 cubic miles of "fossil" fuels a year. Assume 100% of that is carbon diode, it isn't, but just assume it is for simplicity. 3 to 4 cubic miles a year isn't even a rounding error in the above numbers.

It's all just bullshit to cover for more theft and murder by the self anointed ones.

 

"My guillotine is the official anointer of the elite."

 

References, one of many for 99% quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Troposphere

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 01:25 | 4808692 James_Cole
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Ya know... instead of coming up with totally incorrect conclusions spend more time looking for the right wiki article. 

Everything you wanted to know (and more!) on co2 in earths atmosphere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere

Burning fossil fuels such as coal and petroleum is the leading cause of increased anthropogenic CO2; deforestation is the second major cause. In 2010, 9.14 gigatonnes of carbon (33.5 gigatonnes of CO2) were released from fossil fuels and cement production worldwide, compared to 6.15 gigatonnes in 1990.

As a result, carbon dioxide has gradually accumulated in the atmosphere, and as of 2013, its concentration is almost 43% above pre-industrial levels.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:13 | 4807141 Sokhmate
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climate disintermediation

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:52 | 4807935 robertocarlos
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Thanks for reminding me to listen to Disintegration.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:57 | 4808126 kchrisc
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Climate scheme in conjunction with the climate scam supports the climate racket.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:14 | 4806907 AchtungAffen
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"The nation and world is going to need a plan that should not center on making some oligarch with connections to government rich."

Exactly. And makes me wonder why so many people here believe the BS from the Heartland Institute, when it's a Koch-bros funded disinfo tank.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 21:14 | 4808163 kchrisc
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"Exactly. And makes me wonder why so many people here believe the BS from the Heartland Institute, when it's a Koch-bros funded disinfo tank."

That is because so many would prefer to "believe" than think.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:35 | 4808419 fattail
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The Texas Panhandle got about three inches of rain last week.  The weather guy I read seems to think we are in the most of a weather pattern change.  Snyder is a little late on this piece of doomer porn.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:54 | 4806429 Kprime
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In 1975, I was in Dodge City KS.  Back then everything was beautiful golden wheat fields as far as the eye could see.  It ran all the way from south KS to Nebraska.  I worked the wheat harvest all the way from south to north.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:11 | 4806537 ZerOhead
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I just loved running the grain cart from the combines in the fields to the waiting trucks... the teamwork and long long days were wonderful. Hated the dust from augering the oats to the silo however...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:07 | 4806497 Everyman
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Stackers, you have NO CLUE about what you are saying.  In Kansas the MAJORITY of the agriculture for cattle production, wheat, corn, mile, feeds are all grown in western and central Kansas, NOT the eastern part.  that is where the "flint hills" are, and the soils there and just not that good, decent in the river bottoms in E. Kansas though.

 

Western Kansas IS a desert, for the most part, but they grown lots of wheat, feed, corn out there, it is call irrigation.  Just google "kansas Irrigation".  See all those perfectly round circles? Those are called "Center pivot" irrigatin systems, and that is farmland.

 

As for Texas, MOST of the cattle production is in the Panhandle area and western Texas as well.

 

Put down the google and the stereotypes, and bck away from the minutia.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:40 | 4807723 Matt
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A desert seems a bad place to farm during a drought, if you've depleted the aquifer.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:45 | 4808445 fattail
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The aquifer is damn near gone.  Constantly redrilling water wells and already pumping air.  The good thing is once the water is gone and all those welfare queens have mined all they can to make ethanol we will get to finance another government program to reinvigorate rural America with someone else's water.  

 

Can't wait.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 08:54 | 4809045 earnulf
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Stackers, you're full of it.   Most wheat is grown in western/central kansas (part of that breadbasket thing) with the extreme southwest part of kansas more suited to cattle.    Western Kansas is sparse, but it's not a desert (I spent 7 years out there).   Corn and Cattle are also raised in most of the Eastern third.

Problem is that it's all prairie and farming opens the soil to wind erosion.   Drought and wind magnify that.     Dust Storms are no minor matter and if it's that dry out there, it doesn't bode well for food prices.   People who don't have a garden, better learn how.

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:47 | 4806394 williambanzai7
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Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:34 | 4806655 COSMOS
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You got it here, a great pic showing that it did happen and it still is happening lol.  Gotta love the dust hoodie on that dude gangbanging the USA Constitution.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:53 | 4806785 Headbanger
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Dust ass hat...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:06 | 4807751 ajax
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It used to be the flap of butterfly wings in the Amazon forest but now it's what? The swing of a golf club at Martha's Vineyard?

Mr. Banzai7: get back to Daumier, Gillray, Grosz and Garland (the British cartoonist not the American cartoon cinema actress) instead of indulging in the Fox News cheap populism. You know exactly what I mean.

 

 

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:12 | 4807416 ajax
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williambanzai7 what exactly is the point of this?

Obama as the Wicked Witch of the West?  You're losing it lately ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-oNF_Lc0R8

 

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:53 | 4807758 ajax
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...And the wind cries Mary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piSGhB4j5EE

 


 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:55 | 4807952 cougar_w
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My first thought, exactly. It's a human tragedy, mankind getting a whupping from nature, beyond that I don't get it.

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:35 | 4806676 COSMOS
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Kind of hard to be self sufficient and grow a garden in these conditions, eh boyzzz.

Let's hear it from our ZH gardener posse.  Those strawberries and melons look might well dried on the stems boys.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:25 | 4806957 cowdiddly
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South Eastern Oklahoma reporting in. Have had two torrential rains 14inches in 7 freaking days with two more 2 inchers on top of that.  Saturated the ground so bad half my row crop stuff died. Calling for rain every freaking day this week and crops are just now snapping back some. We must be on the fringe or something because Ive had all the rain I can stand. Local lake at full release.

Spinach and cabbage crops total loss.

Corn is over knee high and looking good. Squash starting to pour it on, Okra good, tomatoes good.

Hay crop is going to be awesome. Buffalo are fat and sassy. Short yearling steers chests are chaffed from wading through the tall grass(a good thing) And the prices they are bringing, Unreal, glad I loaded up early. Ill be sitting pretty come fall if these outlandish prices hold  and rain keeps up. I was at auction last week, saddest yellow belly slope assed steers you could bring in  were bring almost $2/pd on the hoof. Unfreaking real. Hope you guys like 10-12 dollar/pd steaks cause its coming.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:32 | 4806996 COSMOS
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Looks like you will be making a killling, I was in Costco and man those bison/buffalo meat hot dogs are expensive.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:38 | 4807253 graneros
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South Eastern OK is not now nor has it ever been part of the dust bowl.  If you have lived there for any amount of time you know damn well you get a good amount of rain there. Your climate is basically the same as Arkansas, not even remotely similar to the OK or TX Panhandles.

http://cdn3.volusion.com/9xeqe.ayzy4/v/vspfiles/photos/UM-30158-2.jpg?13...

The NW part of OK is suffering under drought conditions as we speak. Not to mention SE CO, The Texas Panhandle and SW Kansas. It is not man made but is very real. No one should bother farming in the dust bowl area. The only thing we've mangaed to accomplish here is to draw down the Ogallala reservoir.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:02 | 4807344 cowdiddly
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Now you are going to tell me about the place I grew up. I can introduce you to about 30 diferent people from right here that hitchhiked/walked to California in the 30s to pick peas.

And as for the weather report here in my home state, gee thanks. I make my living with it.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:36 | 4807708 graneros
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Wow you know 30 people who left their farms in the 30's to walk out to CA to pick peas. Impressive.  The folks of SE OK are pretty longlived folks. Not to mention confused.  Why one would walk away from a farm in SE OK that has abundant water and good soil to pick peas in CA has got to be a major mystery. Now if they left cause of the depression well that's a different story. Although we were talking about the dust bowl and an area of the state that was not affected by it. Then or now. Obviously as your garden/farm seems to be doing very well.

I'm glad you make your living by knowing the weather around you.  It's a good and honest way to live. But I never gave you a weather report. All I did was inform you of the boundaries of the dust bowl and was even kind enough to provide a link to a nice graphic.

Have a good day. BTW Love the avatar.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:49 | 4808447 Dr. Destructo
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You're looking at the abundance of rain to dismiss dust bowl conditions? Okay. Rain falls from sky, right? Rain hits soil as a result because of gravity and shit, right?

Look at the soil type. Do all soil types soak up rain in the same manner? Yes? No? Maybe no? I think the answer is no. Why is that? Could it be because different types of soil soak up moisture differently, and different biomes have different layers of soil because of the types of plants that live there and blah blah blah?

Personally I think it was an angry homosexual sorcerer that created the dust bowl to punish America for it's intolerant ways, but what do I know?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 22:32 | 4808367 Dr. Destructo
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So. Cal reporting in.

No shit dust bowl conditions are returning, it's because they keep turning the fucking topsoil and the sun dries it into dust. Some people say mechanized farming techniques caused the dust bowl, but it had more to do with using farming techniques that came from Europe and brought here. They probably should of asked the Injuns how to farm the great planes before they slaughtered them.

But hey why learn from mistakes when Uncle Sugar can just subsidize the problem away, and biotech firms can push their shitty GMO seeds?

 

But yeah I'm in drought conditions and my corn, lettuce, strawberries, chard, tomatoes(both moneymaker and cherokee purple) progress no. 9 peas, thyme, sage, and lavender are doing great! The farm I work at uses drip line irrigation, hoop houses, and makes full use of grey water while focusing on biodiversity to severely reduce the need to buy pesticides and other chemicals (which we don't use since the beneficial insects, birds, reptiles, etc. do the work for us); which will inevitably create stronger pests since they build a resistance to that shit over time. Monocultures are absolutely the shittiest way to produce food and eventually it's gonna bite us all in the ass (it's actually starting to now).

And btw: Spread out your fucking plants and you won't need to water it as much. And consumers in general? just because your lettuce has a hole in it doesn't mean it's fucking ruined and needs to be thrown away. A lot of farms throw away perfectly good produce because they're afraid the customers will piss themselves whenever they see a carrot with multiple splits as if they had "legs".

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:29 | 4806303 Dr. Richard Head
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Let them eat government issued iPhones that are spied upon by the NSA.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:30 | 4806306 JustObserving
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But food inflation will be subdued because Yellen says so.  Maybe recipes for Haitian mud cakes will become popular.  Now be a patriotic albeit dusty American and keep buying US Treasuries as there is no inflation.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:44 | 4806380 SumTing Wong
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I was in a number of airports this weekend. I'm surprised how even the flight attendants are fatties nowadays. So, my guess is many people could go a day or two without the three Big Macs and the two large fries...plus a diet Coke so I can watch my weight...without having to worry about wasting away.

At my house we have a garden and animals. We'd keep eating healthy stuff even if it goes bad elsewhere. The Midwest has had too much rain at times this spring, and we're getting enough as we go on. That could change at any time, which is why it is good to have a lake on your property...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:50 | 4806413 NotApplicable
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Or a well on a yet-to-be-consumed aquifer.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:38 | 4806685 COSMOS
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Better be a deep lake or it will dry out.  I say best is be somewhere close to the Colorado mts where that snow melt can provide you with some water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat

those Qanats are pretty badass...

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:47 | 4806396 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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MyRA will save us.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:31 | 4806312 ShrNfr
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We are basically at the same stage of the Atlantic Multidecadal Cycle that we were during the Dust Bowl. That we are having similar things happen should surprise nobody.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:44 | 4806377 NotApplicable
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Careful, or Al Gore will smite such heretics as you!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:13 | 4807143 what's that smell
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good thing the frackers don't need the water.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:45 | 4806386 ParkAveFlasher
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"Never saw it coming!"

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:02 | 4806476 Flakmeister
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Care to back that up, or are you simply making shit up..

My bet is on the latter...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:27 | 4806594 ShrNfr
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Google it, if you can. Since I doubt you are able to, I will waste a few keystrokes in order to warm up for taking a shit.  It is a ~70-80 year long cycle of temperature that may/may not have some relation to the solar mgnetic cycle. The recent trough was in the 1970s. The one before that in the first decade of the 20th century. The last peak was during the first decade of this century. The previous one was around 1940. Now, I have other turds to attend to of a slightly higher quality, you must excuse me.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:34 | 4806660 Flakmeister
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Show me the plot...

C'mon, you are up to it, I know you are...

Go ahead make my day....

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:40 | 4806698 ShrNfr
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The plot is that I go to the bathroom, and take a shit. The shit is of better quality than you appear to be. I see you were unable to search wiki. Figures.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 00:55 | 4808669 Flakmeister
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You provide the link as you claimed it...

BTW, I am very well aware of the AMO....

Funny how you believe in something, the AMO, first identified by this guy

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:46 | 4806717 ZerOhead
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Hey... How are those billion dollar climate models holding up for you these days Flak?...

 

http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/06/documented-billion-dollar-climate-mod...


Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:13 | 4807422 Flakmeister
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Do you want a lesson in how to lie with a graph?

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/02/roy-spencers-latest-deceit-and-decept...

It's pretty simple, comparable to the tricks that the 3-card Monte guys use to deceive the patsies....

BTW, the GCMs don't predict La Nina's, aerosols from burning coal and below average solar cycles, but that stuff is above your pay grade...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:53 | 4807532 ZerOhead
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"BTW, the GCMs don't predict La Nina's, aerosols from burning coal and below average solar cycles, but that stuff is above your pay grade..."

 

So what good is a climate model for predictive value that does not include most natural variables, some anthropogenic variables, and even negative feedbacks from things like oh... low level cloud cover... while including a major positive feedback from increased water vapor?

Right. It's junk science just as the all the past climate model results have clearly illustrated.

Especially stupid when the politicians want trillions of dollars in new carbon taxes, lower energy consumption and thus lower economic growth at a time when the economy needs to recover.

Now stop wasting my time with your religion until we see the global temps pick up substantially. (Which barring an El Nino this fall they will not...)

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:04 | 4807594 Flakmeister
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That seals it, you have no idea what you are talking about....

=========

Whats the matter, this is not enough of a pickup?

https://www.skepticalscience.com/2013-2nd-hottest-non-el-nino-year.html

Pay attention to this

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/2/6/13916...

and most importantly

https://www.skepticalscience.com/The-Oceans-Warmed-up-Sharply-in-2013-We...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:39 | 4806679 ShrNfr
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I see you claim to be a meteorologist. Ah, yes. Please educate all on solving finite mesh partial diffential equations. My guess is that you are a leftover from "Groundhog Day" when it comes to such things. A bit on adiabatic lapse rates would be good too. Perchance some ENSO while you are at it. The water vapor spectra in the microwave would be nice. And so would be the oxygen spectra. A bit on water dimers might help to explain some of the discrepancies between theory and observations. Doubt you are up for that, however. Lastly, how do you activate a RAOB battery?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:29 | 4806986 JRobby
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Atlantic Multidecadal Cycle

 

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Atlantic+Multidecadal+Cycle&hl=en&as...

 

13,300 results per Google

 

YAAC

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:49 | 4807743 ShrNfr
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Yup. A long term cycle of ocean temperature that effects currents of both air and water. Not enough to say what the weather anyplace tomorrow will be, but enough to say what the average weather over the next 5 years will probably be. Depending on the strength of the El Nino, southern CA is in line for some rain and probably some mudslides. We shall see. The ENSO is not directly related to the AMO.

It is a conjecture on my part that the AMO is linked to the longer term solar magnetic cycle. The solar irradiance is higher at the peak of the magnetic field than it is at the trough. Lower magnetic fields also appear to result in more cosmic rays impacting the earth which in turn ionizes areosols and promotes nucleation of cloud forming particles. Increased clouds increase the earth's albedo and reflect energy. With a lower irradiance and higher albedo less energy is available to the earth's surface. On the short term, it does not matter much. Thermal buffering by large oceans and other objects are a low pass filter for temperature. But anyway, wrt the AMO, a sustained decrease in thermal input could lead to a AMO valley and a increase could lead (logically) to a AMO peak. The cross correlation between the AMO and the solar magnetic field is reasonable, but correlation is not causation as we know. You and your pet dog may die on the same day. You did not cause your dog to die and your dog did not cause you to die. The fact that you had him in the car and you were both squashed by a 18 wheeler had much more to do with it. The global temperature can be predicted with a simple regression against the TSI history since 1850 with an r-squared of .61 That model has predicted the past 20 years much better than any of the GCM models has. For the future, the rollover of the AMO cycle says we are going to get colder. If the solar magnetic theory holds, it projects it will be downright chilly come 2025. We are in a whimpy magnetic cycle for a bit.

Note, wind, weather, and such is caused by temperature differences not absolute temperature. The longest cyclone known to man is still going strong. I mean the Great Red Spot of course. I hear it is a tad chilly out that way. Weather is simply moving energy from a low entropy regime to a high entropy regime. As with any heat engine, it performs some work. The work here is moving air, ocenas and what not.

 

Notes: see also Forbish events.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 19:48 | 4807922 blackholes
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Please keep talking.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:06 | 4807982 cougar_w
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"It is a conjecture on my part"

Thermohaline circulation is a better fit. But it's all guesswork.

Unfortunately we are now studying an earth system in rapid acceleration. Spooling up for something really dramatic. No telling where it's going to land once the inputs settle down assuming they ever do.

Experiments at scale. Well God did give us the brains to fuck with things, so here we go.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 00:42 | 4808649 Flakmeister
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"It is conjecture on my part"....

Doesn't that translate into "I am making shit up as I go"?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:32 | 4806319 maskone909
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never let a disaster go to waste.  so is this how they will justify cost push inflation?  it was the dust?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:32 | 4806320 666
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Pave it over and build condos!

 

Sheesh!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:40 | 4806694 COSMOS
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Chinese are real good at that, we can let them invest in our Dust bowl, heck they dont live in them they use them as investments so they dont need to have running water in the condos lol

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:33 | 4806322 Jonas Parker
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Interesting post. I was on the SW with a ham in Lubbock - said he's had 3+ inches of rain yesterday.  Here in East Texas (35 miles from the Louisiana border), we've had rain all this week so far, and it's predicted to continue through Sunday.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:45 | 4806385 NotApplicable
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The last two weeks has brought quite a bit of relief to TX,OK and KS.

Let's hope it continues.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:51 | 4806418 duo
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North Dallas looks like Ireland compared to how it usually looks this time of year.

About half of TX got 4+ inches of rain in the past week.  It will fill some reserviors, but not replenish groundwater.  That's still a lot of water.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:15 | 4806555 disabledvet
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just drove through the entire State of Kansas...and Colorado...and Utah...and Missouri...just a few weeks ago. Other than the wind constantly blowing which was beyond annoying I saw zero water problems whatsoever.

I was surprised at what they called a "river" out that way.

The Mississippi still had good flow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_River
still had snowpack in Colorado actually.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:54 | 4806791 COSMOS
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Green tinting your windows can do that to you DV, just roll them down a little bit more than cracked lol.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:10 | 4806884 Upton
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You think this boat at Travis is floating now?

Last time I saw (2013) the grass needed mowed.

http://www.texassailboatads.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG_4050.jpg

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:43 | 4807732 Uncle Remus
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Mmm, not so much north central OK. Some rain, but not enough.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:17 | 4806570 Darksky
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8.5" of rain in my backyard rain guage over last three days in Katy, TX.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:42 | 4806708 COSMOS
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Its just nature teasing you.  Things have been so dry that a lot of that water just washes off the top and makes its way to the gulf.  Plus all that rain just erodes away good top soil and leaves you clay down below. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:35 | 4806336 homiegot
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This time you can't run to California. Ha ha!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:35 | 4806338 Smiley
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And farmers in producing areas get subsidies to NOT grow any food...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:36 | 4806346 TheRideNeverEnds
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This is great news!  You know what happened after the dustbowl right?  The market went straight up for for the next 70+ years, DOW going from the 40s (yes the dow once traded for forty something dollars) to its current level of over 16000.  

 

Shit mortgage everything you've got, lever up like mad and buy everything; its free money!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:12 | 4807128 Upton
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World War II

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:43 | 4806373 Spungo
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I blame this on Big Water trying to corner the market!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:47 | 4806397 CrashisOptimistic
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Water issues in Texas define oil output from the Eagle Ford shale.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:10 | 4807996 cougar_w
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And they called it progress.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:43 | 4806374 Cocomaan
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Not to mention that the Ogallala aquifer will be running dry very soon. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:12 | 4808000 cougar_w
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Nobody even knows what that means in practical terms. The concept is completely opaque.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:44 | 4806375 Bill of Rights
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Pelosi " Obamacare is Beautiful "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id2_wUSsrqk

This is the Common Core educated in full bloom

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:46 | 4806390 bbq on whitehou...
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Every where i go it rains. If i stay it gets more rain. Im in the south east now and its getting all kinds of rain this year as i was told it got last year or the years before.
Soon the south east will want me to leave on having flooding.
If your in the south prepare for flooding this year.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:53 | 4806425 Osmium
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Sounds like a service you should be able to make money from?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:07 | 4806470 bbq on whitehou...
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I'm done flying around solving other peoples problems. The weather is most likely to change when you want it least.
Lawns and golf courses should look nice this year and gardens and crops should be bumper. The year after you might miss me but the south west might be getting some unexpected rains. ;)

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:07 | 4806500 moonshadow
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git yer ass to oklahoma then

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:09 | 4806515 bbq on whitehou...
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Do you really want more weather in OK. Its not all soft rains i seem to attract.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:23 | 4808038 countryboy42
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That's funny, it rains or snows like a mother fucker everytime I move to another state.

I am a machinist and I build custome rifles. I'll start the bidding at $20  an hour. Who needs rain?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:53 | 4806419 Notsobadwlad
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While it may be that the US(eless) government has been using its chemtrail (still ongoing) and HAARP technology to try to forestall these conditions, the only CLEAR evidence that we have is that government's interference in normal weather patterns through the dispersion of high altitude particulates and atmospheric heating HAVE BEEN THE MAIN CONTRIBUTOR TO CHANGES IN WEATHER THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST YEARS.

If it is not true that the chemtrails and atmospheric heating have contributed significantly to climate change then the government owes the people of this country an explanation "WHY NOT!".

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:06 | 4806492 Flakmeister
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Don;t strap that tin-foil helmet on too tight....

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:26 | 4806600 Notsobadwlad
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You are just making yourself look foolish and a tool.

I suppose you do not have eyes to see the chemtrails yourself (which are a matter of Congressional record) or you did not watch the Congressional hearing where the Congress-critter from Alaska was asking for help from the DoD to support the retention of he Alaskan HAARP array for the use of some university.

In that HAARP hearing they clearly stated that the purpose of the HAARP array was for atmospheric heating and weather modification experiments. How long has it been operational?

My suggestion: get away from the computer, step out your front door and look up. At least half the time on non-overcast days, particularly in the morning, you will see the chemtrails. Water vapor disappates (is absorbed into the atmosphere). Chemtrails spread out.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:39 | 4806692 Flakmeister
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Psst... HAARP stopped running a couple of years ago...

\facepalm...

\squared....

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:13 | 4808005 cougar_w
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Like that matters to anything?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:47 | 4806743 bbq on whitehou...
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Cloud makers, been going on since at least the 70s. But trying to force nature is a bad idea. Nature has her own plans about what weather to bring and where to bring it. You can only force so much milk from a cow, or fail to milk a cow for only so long.
Nature vs man is not really a fight at all. Control is only in your head.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:22 | 4806939 AchtungAffen
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I saw a reptilian with sunglasses on a plane crop dusting... damn chemtrailers!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:54 | 4806421 Mitch Comestein
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I am in south central Kansas.  High winds are common.  There are no dust storms though.  I would imagine there would have been on some days, but the prior year crops stubble is keeping it from blowing.  The farmers don't leave their fields without something to hold down the dirt anymore.

The soil here is like dust.  I will say that.

 

I don't think we are even close to a dust bowl here in a large part to the techniques farmers use to combat erosion now-a-days.  I will say that most of the trees planted in the dust bowl days and later to slow the wind are dead and farmers are taking them out to plant more ground.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:28 | 4808009 cougar_w
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"farmers are taking them out to plant more ground."

Silly monkeys. And just when the tiger is coming.

They will be devoured in the night like lambs.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:55 | 4806435 disgruntled hou...
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Maybe the NSA can spare some water.  The 100,000 square foot Utah facility uses between 1.2 and 1.7 million gallons of water everyday to cool their computer equipment.  The same government who is so worried about climate change's effects on water resources sees fit to use massive amounts of water to know you talked to your grandma for 20 min.  You know collect everything and store it in perpituity because data storage trumps growing food every time. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:30 | 4806634 Notsobadwlad
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To state the obvious, the government cares as much about resource conservation and climate change as the elitist (or O'Bomber) who flies his private jet everywhere.

If we cared about the environment or the people of this world then no one would have a military.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:01 | 4807969 Matt
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How do they even use that much? Did they just divert a river to run through the colling pipes and out the other end? If so, they may be using the water without consuming. That, or it all evaporates ...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:30 | 4808056 cougar_w
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Don't ask questions like that or you'll start to sound like a sensible person.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:56 | 4806438 Miss Expectations
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Joe Bastardi has a great track record. Not worried (except for the hurricane forecast). He issues a forecast every Satuaday.  The last one covers the coming summer (see Saturday Summary on the right side):

http://www.weatherbell.com/

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:04 | 4806481 ZerOhead
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He is good. "Climate scientists" absolutely despise him.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:09 | 4806511 Flakmeister
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Because he is full of shit on climate matters....

Forcasting the weather and forecasting the climate are too very different things.

One is is an initial value problem, the other is a boundary value problem. And if you don't know understand the difference, you should really keep your pie-hole clamped shut...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:13 | 4806546 NidStyles
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Appeal to Authority.

 

Seriously, is this the best you statists have to offer? 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:28 | 4806576 ZerOhead
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It's a religion.

It doesn't matter that all of the computerised models to date have failed miserably in their predictive capabilities.

What do they say again? Oh right...

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Just one step away...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:41 | 4806709 Flakmeister
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Like this one?

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/once-is-not-enough/

discussed here as well:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091124213247/http://tamino.wordpress.com/20...

Everytime you open your mouth wrt climate science you demonstrate you are are a fool...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:51 | 4806755 ZerOhead
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Where's the beef... err... catastrophic warming Flak?

http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/06/documented-billion-dollar-climate-mod...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:32 | 4806997 AchtungAffen
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Really? That's your source? That's like going to Church to learn about quantum mechanics.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:47 | 4807033 ZerOhead
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Hey asshole... those are YOUR climate model predictions vs. the actual observed temps.

You don't like the fact that this information... YOUR information... came from a source other than an officially certified IPCC CAGW "Climate Scientist"?

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:07 | 4807111 AchtungAffen
Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:09 | 4807307 ZerOhead
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Hey asshole...

Do you even know what a "hindcast" is?

That is where they make new models up that try to explain the past temperatures that their forecast models failed to predict.

Your first link shows a hindcast model from around 2000 that neatly fits in everything prior to 2000 yet still manages to miss the last 16 years of no warming that even IPCC head Pachauri understands.

Hey everybody... check out the graph of the brand new fancy "new climate model" that predicts (without predicting since it's already in the books..)  the past temperature well but can't predict anything into the future worth shit...

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/02/2012-updates-to-mo...

How many millions went into creating that piece of garbage?

 

Not mention the rate of sea level rise which has not increased in the last 100 years...

https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/700px-recent_sea_level...

 

And your last link basically admits that your climate models are junk...

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/on-mismatches-betw...

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:19 | 4807447 Flakmeister
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Goddard? Do you mean Tony Heller?

Now there is a definative source....  Not....

Tell him to publish his stuff in a real journal using his real name....

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:03 | 4807576 ZerOhead
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You want it from Rutgers?

http://slrviewer.rutgers.edu/pics/FIGURE__SeaLevelTrend__NOAA__Resized60...

Something more global perhaps?

http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/C_11.gif

Still no increasing trend over the 20th century.

 

Now go cook some more parking lot temperatures for the books...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:06 | 4807599 Flakmeister
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Did you even look at the plots you linked?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:13 | 4807608 ZerOhead
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/imgheat/searise.gif

Tell me when you find one you like...

Something fresher... NASA from 1993 to today perhaps?

http://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/content/GMSL_TPJAOS_19920...

Jason shows sea level rise is slowing down actually...

Hey better still why don't you show me the one "Climate scientists" prefer?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:45 | 4807035 ZerOhead
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Hey... Speaking of fraud...

Why does "Tamino" not use his real name which is Grant Foster BTW...?

(Everything about Global Warming seems to be a fraud...)

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:20 | 4807450 Flakmeister
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Why don't you use yours?

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!