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Over A Thousand Soldiers Killed As Ukraine Fighting Escalates, Russian Media Reports

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While one should take locally sourced news on the volatile situation in Ukraine, reported by media that is ideologically close to the source, with a grain of salt, Russian press agency RIA has generally had a good track record in reporting news regarding the Ukraine civil war. In which case if the following report of what may have happened overnight during the latest escalation of fighting in the eastern Ukraine city of Slavyansk, and which certainly doesn't paint the Ukraine army in a favorable light, is even partially correct one can see why suddenly western media news coverage of the civil war in Ukraine has become somewhat sparse.

According to RIA, quoting Slaviansk people's mayor Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, about 1,200 Ukrainian army soldiers have been killed during a special operation in Slaviansk, and eight helicopters and 15 armored vehicles were destroyed. Supposedly this includes the 1 helicopter whose crash was reported previously.

"According to our information, the Ukrainian army has the following losses and damages: 1,200-1,300 people were killed, eight helicopters, 15 armored transport vehicles, and three [artillery] weapons destroyed. They are suffering huge losses. I’m speaking only about Slaviansk," Ponomaryov said in an interview with the Latvian radio station Baltkom.

 

Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov confirmed Thursday the downing of a military helicopter had killed 14 Ukrainian servicemen, including a general. Soon after that, the Ukrainian National Guard clarified that 12, not 14 people were killed in the Mi-8 helicopter crash near Slaviansk.

 

The people’s mayor also noted that the self-defense forces of Slaviansk had lost about 200 people.

 

"About 200 were killed and 300 wounded," Ponomaryov specified.

 

Ponomaryov also mentioned that several civilians died and eight people were wounded yesterday.

Meanwhile, as the media curtain descends, the fighting on the ground is escalating:

The troops involved in the military operation in southeastern Ukraine began firing mortars at Slaviansk Tuesday at around noon local time. Several private homes were razed, including houses in the villages of Andreevka and Sergeevka in the city’s suburbs. Several dozen people were killed.

 

Alexei Pushkov, the head of the Russian Duma’s Committee on Foreign Affairs, wrote Wednesday that the Kiev interim authorities are lying when they claim the residential areas in eastern Ukraine are not being targeted by troops.

 

The active phase of the military operation has now been suspended, Ukraine's UNIAN news agency reported Thursday.

Perhaps the best indicator of how accurate this report is will come from the Kremlin itself: if indeed the fighting is as extensive as reported, Russia's previous suggestion for humanitarian intervention will morph from a polite offer to a stern warning about what the Russians will do, if not outright border-crossing action.

 

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Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:13 | 4805899 ss123
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Is this a war yet?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4805909 McMolotov
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"Kinetic military action."

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:18 | 4805921 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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One thing is for sure... it's BULLISH.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:19 | 4805926 813kml
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Carnage is always bullish for blood 'money'.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:35 | 4805992 TheTmfreak
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The wife made the statement this morning "...leaning towards civil war", and I had to stop her and say "already is."

Let's put this in perspective. The US lost 4800+ troops from 2003-2008 in the Iraq War, which was full on combat (during much of that time). They've lost 1200 in just a matter of less than a month. Let's call this what it is.

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:59 | 4806144 DaddyO
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So using SecState logic, these deaths were bought with Nudelman's $5B at a cost of $4.2mm/soldier.

Is my math and logic correct?

DaddyO

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:11 | 4806221 COSMOS
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Wont be very long before the East Ukrainians go on the offensive and take the fight to Kiev.  I am surprised they haven't done the proverbial car bombs in Kiev yet.  Gotta let those morons walking the streets safely there know what it feels like when innocent civillians get hit by mortars.  A few car bombs should do just nicely.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:26 | 4806284 novictim
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And just think, COSMOS...Ukrainians were your brothers and sisters only just yesterday.  

Funny how malleable you Russians are to state propaganda.  I would love to ask you what your opinion is of Princess Putin ten years from now.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:01 | 4806467 Omen IV
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Fuck the Ukranian fascist army - i hope they all drop dead by the tens of thousands - bring in the chechens / taliban / al queda - give them a piece of every Oligarchs cake when they nationalize - chaos is good

they should hang ALL the oligarchs like they did Mussolini - upside down !

 

 

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:54 | 4806736 Headbanger
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This is getting horrible.  And for what?  And who?

Kiev is just asking for it from Putin now with this senseless killing

Or is it Obama and our European cronies upping the ante thinking Putin is a bad poker player.  Not.

God help us all now cause this shit is getting out of control.

 

And BTW   WHO IS BEING LIKE HITLER NOW!!??

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:00 | 4806811 strannick
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Bullish for new arms contracts.

Bullish for NATO membership

@novictim. Loved to have asked you your opinion of Putin 10 years ago.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:49 | 4807543 novictim
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I would have said he was a scary KGB thug with the potential to become a Hitlerian Cult of Personality type for the Russian Mob Mind.

Clairvoyant?  No.  I just use common sense, read history, and think critically.  It was an easy call.  

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:03 | 4807587 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Made me laugh.

Kievan Yatzi Junta Citizenism citizens do dance a masquerade.

So please, rip off the disguise, cut down on the propaganda, accept your Banderatard nature.

It will be better for all as all your cheap propaganda to cover what you are, has turned totally useless and do not even fool yourself.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 12:25 | 4809822 novictim
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That Random Word Generator of yours is working great!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 21:30 | 4808227 skepsis101
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It's astonishing how blatantly some guys just have to show off what an absolute clueless dumb-fuck they really are.  I guess internet anonymity just juices the urge!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:00 | 4806823 COSMOS
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LOL Omen you are right on the money, Putin shares the wealth, that guy from Chechnya Khadarovsy, I forgot this name, but he was in Crimea real estate shopping amongst some of those really nice mansions, and so were some of the Tatar guys from the Urals (not the same kind of tatars as the turks in Crimea call themselves).  Some of the prettiest coastline in Europe is being shared.  Expect Crimea to really act more like a cement for the Russians as many powerbrokers buy and invest there and enjoy the sunny skies that are now part of Russia again.  It pays to be part of Russia.  Lots of Chechens expected in Crimea to open up and do business etc.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:46 | 4807531 novictim
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Princess Putin, the multibillionaire Kleptocrat "shares the wealth"...just not with the Russian people.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:57 | 4808125 COSMOS
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Really now then why have their standards of living gone up compared to say when oligarchs were taking all the money to London?

How about he has put the money back to make their millitary strong so it can stand up to Nato bullying and war crimes

 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4809936 novictim
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Perhaps I overstated things. I will admit to being a *slight* fan of Putin until the invasion of Ukraine.

Yes, Cosmo, he is not all bad. There! I said it! Some of the massive Oil Revenue is filtering out to the people who are the rightful owners. Crumbs from the plate are still something, I guess.

And Putin has gotten “the trains to run on time” and he will continue to curb *some* of the excesses of the oligarchs. Yes yes yes. But he is not the one to root out the systemic corruption as he is reliant on it. And he is a major Kleptocrat in his own right. Servants don’t become BILLIONAIRES.

Cosmo, in the not so long run, Russia needs a real democracy, it needs press freedoms, it needs the ability of the opposition (whomever they might come to be) to meet and assemble and protest. Russians need to be presented with real choices and accurate information. The USA has lost that…do you want to end up like us, a tragic land where the proud and free now work for minimum wages paid by multinational corporations?

You might be on the rise in Russia but for how long? Putin’s style and the police state he offers has short run advantages only. On the longer scale, you and I both know that the odds are that the Great Man will bring the nation down if not to ruin.

I see Putin as the type of leader who uses his nation as his personal toy to be broken or abused as he sees fit.

Ukraine has been Putin’s grand distraction. Weren’t you folks complaining of corruption and civil liberty issues before this Ukraine crap started?  At what point will you be allowed to push for reform again?  Never?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:28 | 4806627 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I would love to ask you what your opinion is of Princess Putin ten years from now.

Ad hominems as the only possible answer are so Kievan Yatzi Junta Citizenish.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:42 | 4807527 novictim
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Stooge, do you know what an ad hominem is?  

I did not call Volk any names.  I asked him what the Kremlin Czarina's reputation might be in 10yrs given the vulnarability of Russians to propaganda.  

No ad hom used whatsoever.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 18:08 | 4807606 TheFourthStooge-ing
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That part made me laugh.

Banderatards are so cushioned by their state they are totally disconnected from reality and keep kick the can of the negative consequences onto others.

If your story is about doing wrong, holding on denial mode till nobody claims about it, well, assume your path. Dont picture this as justice and enjoy your injustice.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:26 | 4806290 ZerOhead
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Sociopaths simply do not care if their citizens get car bombed or 'IED'ed. (Would Cheney or Bush care?) They will just use the attacks to rally the population and escalate the conflict in the breakaway republics.

This could get ugly fast. I hope Nuland, Kerry and Obama are happy.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:47 | 4806395 COSMOS
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Help me out here fellow ZHers.  I think I have found one of our Neo nazi national guard guys pre and post training, tell me what you think

Pre training

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-national-guard-training-937/

last picture in the article, where we have the extreme closeups, the third guy from the left he is in the back, has this psycho little gleam in his eyes....

Now he is in action at the scene of that chopper crash providing security...

The boy is now seasoned, he is the second from the right in the front

http://rt.com/news/162248-shelling-slavyansk-kramatorsk-ukraine/

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:11 | 4806527 Global Hunter
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If its the same man (it could be!) they have been outiftted with new gear.

P.S. now Jack Burton has to share the title of prettiest avatar with you

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:22 | 4806866 COSMOS
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She is a cutie Ukrainian girl on that livejasmin video chat her name is SunrayGirl about 19yo very pretty girl, not bad goes completely naked and does some nice things on screen for you for just 1.99 a minute, worth it ;)

Funny but I have seen a ton of these eastern european girl come on lately on the site. Most are young and well educated, speak English, and not the sleezy bimbos you see in the USA.

Be forewarned lots of really cute girls and it can get addictive.  I prefer the Russia and Ukraine girls, I usually chill in their chat room, listen to their music and just tip once in a while to say thanks while I do my work on the computer, its nice to have a pretty girl to look at and chat with once in a while.  I usually do one or two shows with them in the begining when I first come across a girl I like, and then just stay in the chill mode since they know me.  They do pretty good business so they don't pressure you into more shows. Very nice girls next door types.  I have my favorites list and can see when one is online through that.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:41 | 4807521 COSMOS
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What's with the down arrows, should I put up a pic of a guy instead lol.  She is a vary pretty girl.  Oh wait I forget that there are a lot of BIBLE Quotes flying around ZH these days, perhaps we have the bible belt in here lol.  But then we know that even those with the bible belt have something below the belt too, can't quote your way out of normal male nature guys.  That is why there are so many of those preachers who turn up with rather enlightning sexual escapades.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:56 | 4807566 novictim
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You nailed it!

Don't sweat the down arrows, Cosmo. Americans have a hangup with sex and on that topic they are pathologically hypocritical and dishonest as well.

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:00 | 4806461 SWRichmond
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This could get ugly fast. I hope Nuland, Kerry and Obama are happy.

Not happy yet, have asked for more money for the MIC ($5Billion) for "aid" but havent got it yet.  You still have money they haven't stolen from you yet, so no, they are not happy.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:43 | 4807287 Mark Urbo
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"Nuland, Kerry and Obama"

 

Now there is a real foriegn policy power team...   /s

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 03:46 | 4807761 Jorgen
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Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:22 | 4806596 RafterManFMJ
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Hey DaddyO you are right but all psychopaths know you don't look at the short term dollars per death - you gotta keep that pot boiling stay committed and keep killing every month.

Only then can you dollar cost average the dead and get in under budget...and under budget means bigger bonuses!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:32 | 4806645 DaddyO
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Sheesh, I have a long way to go!

Seriously, our polibanker overlords are some of the most perverse in my lifetime.

They have no moral compunction whatsoever, especially when it comes to chaos...

Check that, I am not far off from a preferred state of mind and body.

Hobby farming, raising well rounded, moral children and growing old with a great helpmate.

I guess that's why I'm so vocal about preserving a constitutional republic that allows for life, liberty and property.

DaddyO

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:28 | 4807484 MrFailSauce
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Before this thing is done, I'm pretty sure the cost per soldier is going to be much lower.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:08 | 4806506 TahoeBilly2012
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US NPR sponsored "Progresso-Nazi's"....it the new look of social democrats!!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:35 | 4805977 Relentless101
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It's definitely sad. All of these deaths will be for absolutely nothing.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:36 | 4806002 SoilMyselfRotten
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The Masters of the Universe beg to differ with you.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:46 | 4806062 Colonel Klink
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Short of the British empire, America is responsible for starting more military actions.  We're essentially a defacto British colony still since we're controlled by the same monied interests which reside in London proper.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:37 | 4806344 Herd Redirectio...
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Except we all know the puppet master financiers have no national ties, religious ties, (maybe some ethnic ties).  Very internationalist.

Washington DC + Wall St +

City of London + Brussels + Frankfurt

+ Basel + Rome/Vatican

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:11 | 4806536 TahoeBilly2012
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Forgot Hollywood!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:08 | 4806191 Renewable Life
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Lol
Maybe bullish the Yuan and Rubble, I'm not so sure about the petrodollar?

But will find out by Sept, because the real shit goes down in this new world order we live in, when our masters are vacationing in the Hamptons (and like such places:)!

I mean what's the fucking point of having a ruling global obligachy, if you can't take three months off in the summer and spend your millions of petty cash you've aquired "obligarching"??

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 20:07 | 4807983 BrosephStiglitz
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Gaius:  No joke.  With the standard logic inversion in today's markets, a war in Europe will send the S&P to 2500 overnight.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:21 | 4805938 Canadian Dirtlump
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limit of scope to be determined.

 

I'd be interested to know how many CIA trolls or international mercenaries have taken the dirt nap thus far. Obviously not enough but yeah... these losses are pretty staggering for the fact that fighting has not been going on that long and hasn't been that widespread.

 

Congrats to the brave Ukrainian misguided soldiers who died for the IMF.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:04 | 4806334 smlbizman
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would putin be allowed to give arms and missles and teach them how to use them and ambushes and how to eliminate the live soldiers afterwards....you know like opieceofshit is doing in syria and everywhere else in the world....come on vlad..."man up"

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/05/28/Syrian-rebels-say-they...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/syria-ar...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:41 | 4806365 Volkodav
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Casualties is mostly Kyiv's quick recruited "National Guard" right sector thug type amateurs that were used to massacre unarmed public....given arms, two week train and walk into ambushes....

complete major media block of this...but multiple reliable sources confirm

remember at one time 1-2 thousand of these type were bused into Odessa for that massacre

 

 

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:49 | 4806404 Canadian Dirtlump
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That makes alotmore sense that it is low IQ virulent neo nazis. I've read numerous reports that multiple call ups of reserves went unanswered and the army isn't all that engaged.

 

1 academi mercenary like a mother duck with a band of right sector retards following him like ducklings. LOL.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:14 | 4806551 shovelhead
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$300 to wear your neo-nazi armband UNDER your new Nat'l Guard shirt is a damn fine deal.

Until you get to the East and start working hard for the money.

What happened in Odessa looks to have put some steel in the separatist faction, whatever the real casualty numbers are.

Nuland may regret that phone call when things go south and it becomes bus speed bump time.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:43 | 4806715 Poundsand
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And if Putin has a crystal clear recording of Nuland talking to the US Ambassodor in his hip pocket, you think that Ukraine's comm's are secure?  Using Russian equipment?  The hard work you speak of is being paid $300 to walk into a death trap, might as well just broadcast your position and start wearing a target.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:40 | 4806031 THX 1178
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"Potentially fatal fisticuffs"

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4805912 maskone909
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Yes. 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:17 | 4805918 813kml
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Nah, just business as usual.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4805940 Bunga Bunga
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Western weapon manufacturers are happy to provide replacement. Money is no problem, since Ukraine got loans guaranteed by the taxpayer.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:53 | 4806102 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Only 1200 dead?  pfft. Gold's gonna tank on this news.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:53 | 4806427 eclectic syncretist
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The vulnerability of the dollar increases daily now.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:30 | 4806637 Oh regional Indian
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It does indeed and clearly by design. 

Too much happening in concert to be otherwise. It's a good tiem for dot-connectors...

The rupee is strengthening against the dollar, significantly over the past month (8% or more)....now that is something given India's ground reality.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:27 | 4806620 teslaberry
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it's not a war until msnbcnbccbcpbscnnabc declare it so. the sheeple will watch and be told the u.s. military is not being aggresive enough. the west point cadettes , a collective group of storm trooper automata shieleded from the rank and file will be told that as, officers, they must attack and kill and agress against the whole world. 

 

if they cannot do it, immigrants will be made officers and have their families threatened with deportation if it even would ever come to that. 

out of 300 million human beings there are MORE THAN ENOUGH who embrace full scale genocide upon their own people , let alone the rest of the world, to promote up the ranks and control the officer class. 

truly, between drones , engineers and the fortress of telecommunications outposts around the world, there really is a nexus of control not before possible in civilizatoin. 

networks of just a few ten's of thoursands of sattelites and  drone's , operated continuously by remote station, can do the work of what in the past would have taken unsustainable levels of peak force. 

this isn't an improvement in global scale air---warfare, it's a complete phase transition. 

 

and this phase transition is already arriving in the navy. the army will be the last to truly benefit from this transition. but it already is.

the amount of steal and fuel in an ATTACK submarine can make 10's of thousands of small distributed solar and ambient hybyrid fuel cell powered remote communication mini-drones. an ocean covered in continuous operations UNMANNED mini vehicles is capable of the kind of operations not even close to possible by a few dozen patrolling submarines full of air breathing carbon ingesting and shitting human beings. 

not least because of the psycological tolls of continuous uninterrupted performance outsoucred to shift workers on an unmanned base. 

i dont' think enough people apprecitate this , and even those who do are sometimes to quick to downplay this phase transition in warfare by mentioning it is all backstopped by nuclear weapons anyways. 

but that is the point. strategic nuclear DEFENSE allows for the rollout of continuous drone warfare that could possibly erupt into full scale war if not for strategic nukes.....

it all works together. war has changed. 

 

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:15 | 4805903 FieldingMellish
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Ukraine is so last week.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:40 | 4806029 CrashisOptimistic
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"The active phase of the military operation has now been suspended, Ukraine's UNIAN news agency reported Thursday."

If so, the rebels are winning.  They will get resupplied.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4805905 Z_End
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If these reports are true, those casualty numbers are astounding. Those are heavy losses.

Time will tell.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:20 | 4805932 McMolotov
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If these reports are true, Kiev will have a hard time finding enough poor fools who are willing to march to their deaths.

Long foreign mercenaries.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:25 | 4805954 Nevsky
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It will have even a harder time come winter when Russia demands its gas money, depleting the resources for the army.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4805962 Bangin7GramRocks
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We will gladly rent our private armies. All trained by the U.S. gubmint and ready to kill! But just don't kill too many of them. The U.S. needs them for "security" in its cities. Ya know, cuz it's all unconstitutional and shit to deploy the military domestically. Wink, wink.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4805978 Nevsky
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Mr Obama would not deploy proper military against US civilians. Too many would buck him at the moment.

Most departments have their own fighting force, answerable to .... buracrats. That who the weapon purchases are for.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:40 | 4806025 disabledvet
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If this report is true (sounds exaggerated to me...never know tho) then the President and Secretary of State Kerry might have to start answering a few questions.

My guess is that the US and many others have their actual military in Ukraine as well...and not CIA et al.

Those folks are in Moscow itself.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:44 | 4806050 Nevsky
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My apologies sir, to clarify, what part of my comment do your refer to as 'this report'.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:39 | 4806354 Herd Redirectio...
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Nevsky, this is for you:
Battle of the Ice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZPgGbUuX0

Music starts about 1:55 in.  True classic.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:13 | 4806538 Nevsky
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Thank you sir, it's been a long time since I've listened to it.

 

What an interesting time it was. Teutonic knights from the West, Golden Horde from the East... One of the reasons why Russians see themselves as neither Europeans nor Asians.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:52 | 4806096 Silky Johnson
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Let them eat Ketchup! 

           ~John Kerry Heinz

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:17 | 4806922 Flybyknight
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"Why don't Kerry and Obama "man up" and go and join in 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:36 | 4806004 Abitdodgie
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Kyle Bass must be loving this all that money for G4S.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:34 | 4805994 _ConanTheLibert...
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How many helicopters are left if 8 were destroyed?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:02 | 4807371 Bioscale
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All those UN onces.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:03 | 4806167 The wheels on t...
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If these reports are true, then a bunch of amaetur pro-russian civilians arent doing this sort of damage. For me it confirms Russian forces are in the territory.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:15 | 4806244 COSMOS
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You seem to forget that East Ukraine has the highest population density and industrialized cities making weapons.  Add to that a lot of people who served in the military, and they had compulsory service as of a few years ago.  So basically every male there has military experience.  Stop farting with your amateur mouth if you know nothing about the country or eastern europe for that matter.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:28 | 4806276 Volkodav
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ignorant post 

vets and other ex services live in these regions...older guys with much experience

afgantsy and other conflicts 

from forces more highly trained and experienced in urban combat than any in world

these defend their families, homes cities

learn to think

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:23 | 4806280 Z_End
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Ukraine must be suffering some logistic ordeals also. Unless of course the US/NATO gang decides to replunder supplies from Libya and funnel them their  way. Ammo, aircraft (especially helos) must be running low or in danger of.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:15 | 4805906 dontgoforit
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War on.  God will get you 'string pullers' - whomever you are.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:48 | 4806069 spellbound
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Stop believing that God will do anything. It's what's keeping people from doing for themselves. God is the most awesome racket ever invented.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:55 | 4806120 thatthingcanfly
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The Lord does for those who do for themselves.

But, unfortunately, a lot of mainline Christians these days have been disabused of this notion.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:29 | 4806304 ZerOhead
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Correction... Gods.

After all there hav been several thousand of them over the millenia...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:42 | 4806368 thatthingcanfly
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I bet you can't name ten.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:04 | 4806851 dontgoforit
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In the end we'll know.  And it will be too late for those who served money or power.  Not a threat, not a wish, just a spiritual fact.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:15 | 4806916 ebear
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The Greeks had way more than ten.  Hindus as well.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 15:58 | 4807077 thatthingcanfly
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The point - which you completely missed - was that Bill D. Cat there was being a troll when he added his obnoxious "correction" by pluralizing "God" when he knew good and well that the predominately Western crowd on this forum identify with the Christian God of the Bible when we use His name in posts.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:15 | 4805907 Quinvarius
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Goldman Sachs said Ukraine was transitory.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4805982 icanhasbailout
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Sloviansk is contained.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:14 | 4806235 Volkodav
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only around the city

and fire indiscriminately into population.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-29th-1554-utczulu.html

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:18 | 4805920 Quinvarius
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Russia is going to go into East Ukraine if the West keeps shelling the population centers.  The West wants this war.  Which is too bad becasue they are not in NATO and we will drop them like a hot potato.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:19 | 4805928 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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2500 Americans were killed on D-Day, Operation Overlord.

Me thinks that 1000 killed on the Ukrainian side is a wee bit, hyperbolic?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4805947 thamnosma
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At first blush, I must agree.  Given that number of dead there should be large pitched battles occurring and I have seen no evidence, reports or photos of that.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4805960 Quinvarius
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I saw some video of a few truck loads of dead from the Eastern side yesterday.  I don't remember the number, but it was under 100 from one incident.  I think 1000 is probably high.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:29 | 4805966 thamnosma
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Thanks, I missed that.   Very curioius and sad if true.   This all should have been settled politically.   Death and destruction suck no matter who you are or where you live.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:57 | 4806134 Abitdodgie
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"settled politically" I don't know if you have noticed but this is been settled politically by killing people thats what Governments do best.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:33 | 4805987 Bastiat
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Maybe an overwhelming attack on a poorly defended staging area rather than a pitched battle?  The numbers are catastrophic, if anywhere near accurate.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:11 | 4806222 mc225
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'1000 dead' is probably counting from early may. even so, maybe it's hyperbole...

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:20 | 4805930 Yancey Ward
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I have my doubts this report is true, but if it is, this is a major military disaster for the Ukrainian government.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:21 | 4805936 kanoli
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It's a bloody massacre.  Can you say "Charge of the Light Brigade"???

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:18 | 4806257 COSMOS
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Right on the money kanoli, let us not forget their handlers and advisors are english speaking (USA and UK etc), so its only fitting the english speakers repeat the same charges as last time.  In this case its not with their own bodies though lol

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:21 | 4805937 Devotional
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1000 killed overnight?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:07 | 4806196 Volkodav
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last weeks  but faster since the odessa and maripol massacres galvanized the locals to fight

now even more since murdered ambulance wounded, shelled public and schools and other.

also, specific training and orders from Kyiv to kill prisoners came to knowledge of locals.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:22 | 4805942 thamnosma
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Either that number is hyperbole and propaganda, which is certainly a possibility or that's a real war there.  Perhaps the goal of the Brzezinksi foreign policy cabal of the Obama Regime (as opposed to their counterparts in the Neo-Con cabal) was exactly this.  A nasty civil war right on Russia's doorstep.  They don't give a shit about Ukraine or the Ukrainian populace.  Just a cynical move to tie Russia down in another unwanted war and border issue.   Keep them occupied.  

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:43 | 4806047 Flying Wombat
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Yes, on target comments.  Russia has been restrained all along, even though most people in America bought into the lie that Putin invaded, that Putin is the new Hitler, and on and on...  Most Americans have no clue that it has been America that has pushed this conflict forward, not Russia.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:00 | 4806151 Volkodav
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number is real...from several sources on the ground

Ukraine so called "National Guard' of quick gathered right sector and other freaks is in trouble when against any that fight back.

they have been slaughtered when engaged by local defense forces

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:13 | 4806234 mc225
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interesting. 'right sector militias' makes sense for such a high casualty count, overnight.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4805946 orangegeek
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Ukraine war is on.  Markets at all time high.  GDP shrinking.

 

....and my finger smells again.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4805949 Nevsky
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Has anyone sent a strongly worded hashtag to Putin yet?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:14 | 4806216 RacerX
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#QuitHarassingMyBaseD00d

and #costs

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4805950 Meat Hammer
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Man, I'd love to see the Blackwater invoice for THAT!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4805973 thamnosma
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Dude, it's "Academi" now, get with the times.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:44 | 4806051 Meat Hammer
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My bad.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:01 | 4806156 Abitdodgie
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No that was last week now it is "Ze" or the" Craft".

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:12 | 4806226 RacerX
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What happened to "XO"?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:08 | 4806186 JuliaS
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Blackwater sits on the Western border, running improvised training camps for Maidan participants. They don't risk their own lives unnecessarily.

The problem is that Ukrainian army is small and the portion of those willing to kill neighbors on command is even smaller. Eventually mercs willl run out of cannon fodder. What then? Russia can keep their supplies flowing. There are plenty of volunteers eager to cross the border in order to oppose what is being portrayed in the media as a neo-nazi threat. Those volunteers are indistinguishable from the natives.

Good luck trying to smuggle Romanian and Polish mercs in Ukrainian uniform while keeping it a secret. You'll soon run out of cyanide pills.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4805951 Impoverished Ps...
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If this is accurate the pro-Russian 'self defence squads' have got pretty damn handy with their sticks and petrol bombs.

 

Only professional soldiers acting in concert could inflict such damage.

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4805975 Quinvarius
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I thought that was a movie quote.  So I Googled it.  Your post was the first response on Google already.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:15 | 4806243 chunga
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wow skynet is on high

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:49 | 4806072 Volkodav
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Ignorant post

Many vets and ex services live in these regions. Older guys with deep experience.

Afgantsy and also other conflicts  

these more urban combat experience and expertise than any of world

learn to think

 

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:52 | 4806095 Nevsky
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Cut him some slack. While the word 'ignorant' may be technically correct, it requires historical knowledge of the area. As such it is a matter of 'research' as opposed to 'thinking'.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 17:14 | 4807423 tenpanhandle
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He may be wrong but he may be right.  I do not see that either of you two's arguements prove him ignorant and wrong.  My guess (ignorant?) is that, of course, the Ruskies have men and weapons there.  Only the US can have spooks and mercs?  Come on.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:13 | 4806097 MrPalladium
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Standard infantry doctrine - the defense is stronger than the offense and offense against dug in defenders requires 3 to 1 superiority to prevail.

Looks like the Ukrainians are using 35 to 40 year old weapons - the kind of stuff we had back in 1970. If just a few of the latest Russian shoulder fired missiles prevent close air support and if the Russian Separatists were equipped with the latest night vision equipment - goggles and scope sights - along with the most modern shoulder fired anti armor rounds, a massacre would be inevitable.

In war sometimes the little things - those easily smuggled accross the border - are the most important.

- For want of a nail!!!

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:56 | 4806445 Herd Redirectio...
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Ever since the invention of the crossbow and flintlock musket has this been true.  Defense is easier than offense.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 16:43 | 4807283 tony wilson
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all the stuffs you mentioned about doctrine is crap against what obarmie and team zion has.

beliefs in change

expendable goy

and endless helmand heroin and us tax monies.

 

yids lets rolls

monsanto and chevron grow tired of the wait

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:26 | 4805957 Flying Wombat
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I highly recommend the following reading.  The first story speaks for itself, and there's virtually no reporting on it in the Western media so please consider sharing the link.  The second story is a very insightful interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts well worth the reading time.

-- Eric Dubin, Managing Editor, The News Doctors

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Kiev Launches Genocide Campaign Against Donbass – Western Media and Governments and Human Rights Organizations Silent

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=159574

Ukraine's Presidential Election Led to one Oligarch Replacing Another - Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=160120

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:34 | 4805995 suteibu
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No brown or yellow-skinned people killed.  US foreign policy has definitely changed.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:39 | 4806021 Flying Wombat
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The headlines today COVERED by the Western media detail the attack on Kiev/Western-aligned military.  But it's quite possible that the massacre conducted by the Kiev government earlier this week was the trigger for the current attack as retaliation.  I don't know.  But one thing is clear.  The Western media is skewing reportage, speaking of organic Eastern Ukrainian interests as those of "rebels" or "insurgents," whereas Nazi-sympathizing Western-backed forces are the good guys.  That's the narrative, while the truth is far more nuanced.  

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:01 | 4806469 Mesquite
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The cronies in DC must be so proud of their (sick) achievements.... :-(

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:27 | 4805958 royal
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All "huge losses" for absolutely nothing.

The Ukrainian army would be better off defecting.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:39 | 4806019 Volkodav
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Several units defected last day, and others before that.

Others have breaks downs, take wrong road, and other problems that seem to have result to leave the amateur "national guard" that is right sector and similar to walk into ambush and slaughter

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-29th-1554-u...

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:26 | 4806619 Volkodav
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losses are not Ukrainian Military mainly

most are the quick recruited "National Guard" thug amateurs

Ukraine military are defecting/surrender daily

problem is their families and homesare being threatened by Kyiv gang

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:27 | 4805959 thamnosma
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OT -- All I can say is "well, well, well"

"CNN reported the Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering, Michael Dean, had said most countries now agreed that the sounds detected by the Navy's Towed Ping Locator in April in the southern Indian Ocean came from a man-made source unrelated to the missing jet."

I hope Michael Dean has his insurance premiums paid up and no nail guns at home.   Australia also announced the "bluefin" sub has completed a search of the entire "ping" area and the jet is simply not there.

Here's the link to the Michael Dean quote --

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-navy-wont-dismiss-pings-lead-jet-search

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4805961 Spungo
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It's not a war until the S&P falls.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:36 | 4806001 Quinvarius
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The market is saying the USA is going to walk away from this one when the Russians come.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:36 | 4806006 q99x2
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The S&P is a war too. The FED is printing fake money to take over the US.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:40 | 4806030 forwardho
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The Fed is printing fake money so all can pretend there still is a US.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:57 | 4806133 813kml
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The US is still a functional republic as long as the TeeVee stays on and no bad news is reported.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:29 | 4805965 Barry McBear
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Economists were expecting 3,000 killed, this is a massive upside surprise.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:07 | 4806193 JuliaS
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Blame it on weather.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:49 | 4806758 flyingcaveman
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or it means the revised estimate for the next reporting period will be 4500 killed.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4805970 The Endless Pump
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If it is true, Putin will have every justification for moving in to eastern Ukraine to "restore" peace because Kiev is not capable.  Surprised no other news outlets are covering such an event with so many in the area.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:32 | 4806316 COSMOS
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Why should he.  He is doing great, nothing better than a people's fight for freedom, they appreciate it more than when other troops come in.  Look Putin is winning, he doesn't have to bring in the Russian army. 

In Crimea his army was already there on the ground, he just flexed it a little.  Putin is smart, he will not invade Ukraine unless NATO moves in with troops over Ukraine's borders.  Putin just has to wait for the winter to come. 

All those angry Ukrainians will kick out every westerner and come back to mother Russia.  So far things are not going well for the coup leaders and their new puppet president, another oligarch thug with clan connections.

Give it a few months and you will see by winter, Kiev besieged by the Eastern Ukrainians who will take over the reigns of power.  Why should Putin welcome back only East Ukraine when they can bring all of Ukraine with them lol.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 06:45 | 4808850 tonyw
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Agree.

Today's the day for "final" agreement on paying for natural gas, apparently no payments have been made for at least six months.

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:22 | 4806592 Volkodav
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suprised? or naive? main media is blackout of any real news.

Russia and other media report even full live feeds especially from independents

 

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4805971 Itchy and Scratchy
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Awwwwww....this has GOT to warm the sweet and tendet heart of U.S. Asst Sec of State Victoria (F.U.  E.U.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! Must have been something she put in those cookies!?

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4805972 nightshiftsucks
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Where's the video or it didn't happen,reminds me of the silly body counts in Vietnam.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 13:59 | 4806460 Herd Redirectio...
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"How can you shoot women and children?"
"Easy, you don't lead them as much."

(inappropriate and tragic) War joke for the day.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 14:18 | 4806571 Volkodav
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get lost idiot

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4805980 HaroldWang
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Playing out perfectly as far as U.S. is concerned. Same as Syria, Lybia, Egypt, etc. Big news at first then it spirals into insane civil war and no one cares any longer. Move on to the next headline please.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:34 | 4805989 q99x2
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Pretty sure they still have some old Russian nukes stashed away.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4805981 q99x2
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Sounds like they got drunk and started shooting at each other. Do both sides have helicopters, tanks and armies?

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