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Couple Fined $746 For The Crime Of Feeding Homeless People In Florida Park

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

It is a well known historical trend that as discontent and dissent spread within a society, the power structure will look to demonize unpopular or weak minorities in order to deflect frustrations away from the true culprit, the power structure itself. Many feared in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 that Muslims would serve as such a scapegoat, and indeed in many ways this occurred, although not to the extent that many feared. In my opinion, it is homeless people that are being increasingly demonized and treated as subhuman. I think that if we want to see how the state and crony corporate status quo will treat everyone in the future, all you have to do is look at the current “war on the homeless.”

If you think about, the homeless actually serve as the perfect scapegoat for a former American middle class slowly being driven into serfdom. Still completely mesmerized by the religion of consumerism, how is a population losing its freedom and financial well-being supposed to feel better about itself. The easy answer is to look at an even more destitute class and treat them like the “elites” treat everyone else. Like a superfluous and unfortunate outgrowth of humanity.

I strongly believe that it is just as important to show compassion for the least fortunate within society as it is to fight against the incredibly corrupt establishment. Failing to do so makes you no better than they are.

From ThinkProgress:

After feeding the hungry in a Daytona Beach park every weekend for more than a year, it’s just as easy to imagine Chico and Debbie Jimenez given a ticker-tape parade as what they actually got: a slew of citations and a permanent ban from the park.Chico and Debbie Jimenez, a husband and wife team, aren’t handing out food in the Florida heat every Wednesday because of a court order or for a paycheck. They do it because they believe helping the poor is their religious duty.


Every Wednesday, the Jimenezes feed more than a hundred people a hearty lunch with dishes of chicken patties, macaroni salad, and fresh vegetables, among others. The meals are entirely funded by private donations and staffed with volunteers.


However, Daytona Beach is one of a handful of cities that enacted ordinances barring individuals from serving food in public. Last week, nearly a half-dozen police officers showed up at Manatee Island Park, where a long line of people had queued to get a meal, and served citations to the Jimenezes and volunteers.


According to the group’s Facebook page, Chico and Debbie, along with four volunteers, were each given multiple 2nd degree misdemeanor citations. The fines totaled $373 per person, $2,238 for the group. The police also permanently banned the group from Manatee Island Park. “We both have made a lot of good friends in the park and are devastated that we are banned the Manatee Park forever,” Debbie wrote. “I am heartbroken.”

Can’t arrest a single banker, but police sure are good at stopping citizens from feeding the hungry. Sick.

Daytona Beach is just the latest city to crack down on groups that feed the poor in city parks. Other recent examples range from Birmingham to St. Louis to Raleigh to Philadelphia to Orlando. A 2010 report from the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty identified more than a dozen other cities with restrictions and found an uptick in the number of new ordinances.


The Jimenezes, who both left jobs more than a year ago to focus on ministry full-time, were upset about the developments, but told the News-Journal that they planned to challenge the citations rather than pay them. “We are ‘ NOT Criminals ‘ and feeding ‘ Hungry folks ‘ is not a crime,” the couple said.

I’ve written several articles on this theme in the past. I suggest checking them out:

The Homeless in NYC Are Now Living in Tiny Spaces in the Frame of the Manhattan Bridge

Illinois Church Told by City Officials it Can No Longer Provide Homeless People Shelter

South Carolina City Implements Law That Requires a $120 Permit to Feed the Homeless

Acting as a decent human being is increasingly becoming criminalized in America.

To update George Orwell’s famous statement for modern times:

In a world of universal narcissism, being a compassionate person is a revolutionary act.

Full article here.


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Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:18 | 4810005 Relentless101
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Feeding hungry people!!! Those fucking scum bags! How do they sleep at night? Death penalty sounds about right. Rid the world of this filth.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:21 | 4810032 negative rates
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It did say do not enter after dark.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:25 | 4810045 maskone909
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to think that 746$ fine could have fed a shit ton of people.  what a fucking joke.  lock and load!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:30 | 4810072 outamyeffinway
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Let's see how it looks with a cashless society.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:49 | 4810121 hedgeless_horseman
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But it is legal to feed corporations government pie as long as their unions vote and pay bribes campaign contributions.

Thursday, November 13, 2008


General Motors, Chrysler (privately owned by Cerberus Capital) and Ford have all lined up for a piece of the government hand out pie. But unlike the many of the banks and finance companies who were suffering from liquidity issues, the automakers are asking for money for failing enterprises and bad business models.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:49 | 4810145 Grande Tetons
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Bravo! Plus a biziilion. 

No harm came from these handouts, eh? 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:00 | 4810200 ZerOhead
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"No harm came from these handouts, eh?"


Other than the death and destruction that results from shoddy vehicle construction before the long delayed recall notices go out...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:05 | 4810217 Skateboarder
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How long before it is a felony to be homeless?

Tie that in with Skynet and the moment you're evicted/foreclosed/fresh on the streets, the popo is there to pick ya up the very second you come to know that you're homeless. How convenient.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:13 | 4810258 ZerOhead
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The homeless just have to be taught (forcibly if necessary) how to convert their remaining valuable assets into fast cash...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:50 | 4810431 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, I just got back from buying my lunch and gave a homeless man my bread as I walked by. I've known him for 15 years. He is emaciated and has been on the streets for the entire time I have been at my job. He looks about 75 but I am guessing he must be younger. His hands always shake when he takes my offering but he smiles and says " thank you very much M'am" I don't know his story. May be he is a drug addict or undeserving in some way. I don't care. He is obviously hungry and I was happy to give him something. So I guess the Feds can come and get me for what I just did. FOAD assholes.


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:04 | 4810470 BlackChicken
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People like you make this world a better place.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:48 | 4810637 CheapBastard
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Those Homeless have not gotten the memo this is the 'Summer of Recovery' ... with 'Record High Stawk Maaket.'


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:14 | 4810959 DaddyO
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More like this website,


Sat, 05/31/2014 - 00:00 | 4811934 alexcojones
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I've adopted this attitude, Kindness Gnerates Kindeness - (until the shooting starts).

I like how the Florida couple said they would NOT pay but would fight to change - or challenge - the law. That generous couple remind me of this guy.

Gentileza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

José Datrino, known as prophet Gentileza (11 April 1917 — 28 May 1996) was a Brazilian urban personality, kind of a preacher, which became known from 1980 by making quirky inscriptions under an overpass in Rio de Janeiro, where he walked in a white robe and long beard. "Gentileza gera gentileza" ("Kindness generates kindness")


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:38 | 4810840 kill switch
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And now we see what the Fashest States of America has become..

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:15 | 4811121 bonderøven-farm ass
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No man or woman shall come between the state and the votes they garner by assuming the role of welfare custodian.  Bask in your fucking servitude get the government you vote for.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:38 | 4810842 graneros
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Your post made my day. Sometimes the negativity is absolutely suffocating.  Thanks Miffed for a breath of fresh air.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:47 | 4811030 americanspirit
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"The law, with its majestic sense of equality, forbids both the rich and the poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges"

Victor Hugo

Ah, the good old days. Just before the revolution if I'm not mistaken.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:02 | 4811442 Lost Word
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Or sleeping in sewers, such as the sewers of Paris.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:30 | 4810559 Musashi Miyamoto
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several city proposed to ban sleeping or sitting on the sidewalk within 25 feet of any residential or commercial building. LA banned it outright but it was thrown out in appeals court, I believe the opinion was justified by lack of public housing.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:06 | 4810716 evernewecon
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Thanks for the links.

Welcome aboard M.M. if you're new.


A thought:



There's one further step down, obviously.

The city and state leaders can feed

them to the animals at the zoo.


The opposite's democracy and cooperation.


This guy somehow escaped the fate

of those above and even became


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:32 | 4810565 Musashi Miyamoto
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double post

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 12:04 | 4812579 evernewecon
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Sorry.  Thought it applied more poignantly there.

Your links are really worth something much more.

Hat tip to you.

Merv Griffin would've licked and waved a finger.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:48 | 4810633 Liquid Courage
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"How long before it is a felony to be homeless?"


Not long, I'd say. After all, GDP "growth" has got to come from somewhere in "Incarceration Nation". Long Greybar Hotels!

U S A !!! U S A !!!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:03 | 4810692 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Not long. Larger prison industry = higher GDP.


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:06 | 4811454 Lost Word
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Especially those Corporation Privately owned Prisons must make a profit somehow.

One Corporate Crook helping another Corporate Crook.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:13 | 4810940 RafterManFMJ
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Just started a screenplay but here's what I have so far:

Jesus shows up in Daytona beach and starts to speak to the homeless, the downtrodden, and the pimps and prostitutes in the park but is given the bums' rush by the police as he's not in the free speech zone and he doesn't have a permit.

So we do some scenes where Jesus takes a number at the town hall, finally gets his permit and goes to the free speech zone where he FLOATS above the ground like 2 feet, speaking and handing out fish sticks and pop tarts from this KFC bucket that never seems to go empty.

At this point the police go nuts and accuse him of feeding without a permit as well as flying without a pilots license so they taser him, beat him, and haul him off to jail.

Yea, that's enough to get me to the KickStarter.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:27 | 4811469 Lost Word
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And as populist politician and silver coin advocate and enemy of the Banksters,

William Jennings Bryan might have said, Hang him on a Cross of Gold?

The Cross of Gold being a symbol of the Banksters.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:07 | 4810236 yrad
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In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.


George Orwell

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:06 | 4810718 debtor of last ...
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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:03 | 4810933 chapaev's ghost
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If  you feed them it just encourages them to hang around.

Does that mean if we stopped feeding banksters QE, they would go away?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:03 | 4811083 SAT 800
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If you stopped feeding them free money their numbers would decrease remarkably, yes. this would involve going back to the old ways. Banks can't be listed as stocks; (cause then you're playing with the public's money), glass-Seagull, intact and enforced; and close and active regulation. In the old days; 1965; for instance; large banks were owned by their own directors and if they made mistakes they lost their own money; imagine that ! they didn't make that many mistakes. Imagine That ! these laws could be passed overnight; but they can't be; because Congress has been bought and paid for; not to mention the puppet, err. I meant the President.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:52 | 4810076 Headbanger
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Not only that I think the accused have grounds for a law suit based on them being prosecuted for their religious beliefs of feeding the hungry

I'm not the most pious type, but for those interested:

Matthew 25:35-40


And the Hebrew beliefs on feeding the hungry:


So this accusation is the same as the Romans would have done to persucute  Jews and Christians !

Is that what this nation has become now?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:57 | 4810170 ZerOhead
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Little has changed since Jesus first laid out the workings of 1st century economics so eloquently...

Matthew 25:29
"For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them."

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:10 | 4810243 flacon
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...and those who have more, more will be required from them. .... forgot that part. 


Luke 12:48


From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:22 | 4810304 ZerOhead
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Perhaps they meant "expected to give more to the politicians and priests"...


Mark 4:25
Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them."

Luke 8:18
Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them." 

(The three gospels look rather similar to me but I'm an atheist so you never know...)

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:36 | 4810592 Seek_Truth
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Omit the politicians and you have the answer - Jesus is referring to the religious leaders, not politicians:

42 The Lord replied, “Who then is the faithful and wise *manager*, whom the master puts *in charge of his household servants*, to give them their allowance of food at the proper time?" - Luke 12:42

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:45 | 4810623 Headbanger
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Zero:   What then do atheists say when they're getting a blow job??

And..  There are no atheists driving at 150 MPH!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:00 | 4810689 SAT 800
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what do atheists say when they're getting a blow job? hmm. "thank You Jesus". ?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 21:35 | 4811696 freak of nature
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Very simple interpretation of a cherry picked verse, which is quite easy to do in the internet age of google and fast paced discussions. Can't blame you for that. It takes time to study.

This verse has nothing to do with material goods. When put into context of the verses surrounding it, it has everything to do with the spiritual side, in particular sharing the gospel and how people receive it. Read the chapter to get a clearer insight. Parable of the sower, lamp on a stand, growing seed etc all have to do with sharing the gospel and the response of the people with whom it has been shared.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:00 | 4810194 kchrisc
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I like your spirit and sentiment, but:

1) If you have to sue to feed the homeless, you, we, have already lost that fight and it's time for the guillotines.

2) Who owns and controls the courts? "Case dismissed."

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:41 | 4810238 Headbanger
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No we haven't.

And I appreciate your sense of history about this issue.


If anyone has examples of doctrines from other faiths and cultures about feeding the hungry please post them as I don't intent to ignore any faiths on this matter.


And Hedgeless:  That is brilliant!


Alright.. Who's the fucking troll??

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:03 | 4810212 Uber Vandal
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Senators..... Check

Far flung empire with bases.... Check

Barbarians at the gate ("migrant workers")...... Check

Bread and Circuses (EBT and TV)...... Check

Nero ....... (Work in Progress)

In short, yes.

Also, these classic paintings titled The Course of Empire summed it all up well, too:

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:13 | 4810267 Headbanger
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Nero!!    LMAO!

Now who is our modern Nero?


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:34 | 4810380 IndyPat
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Just exchange a fiddle for a pitching wedge and you have your answer...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:41 | 4810410 Headbanger
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WoW!   That's goood.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:31 | 4810077 101 years and c...
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now that $746 can pay for the mayor's dinner sat night.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:42 | 4810407 Harbanger
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Since you mentioned it, the Mayor of Daytona Beach is a Black Democrat named Derrick Henry, so I'm pretty sure the MSM will give him a pass.



Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:03 | 4810700 SAT 800
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Oh, hell yeah. a pass, and a free dinner, and the $746.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:05 | 4810708 SAT 800
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Damn, I wish I was a Black Democrat; just run for somethin, and start rakin in the graft. As a blue-eyed Scot, tho I may have a few problems.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:50 | 4810891 Harbanger
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In your case, you need to be a bone smuggler to get a pass.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 12:47 | 4812623 AnAnonymous
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He is a servant to the 'american' middle class. He must do what they want him to do.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:39 | 4810603 45Condor
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Lock and load indeed.

Here's a little thought to lead us into the weekend.

Think not of what damage your country has already done to you, but of what damage you can do to the rulers of your country.

That’s my little quote for the day. I hope I don’t get a knock on the door in the near future, before being ‘disappeared’.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:07 | 4810722 SAT 800
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Dear NSA 45Condor was just kidding; it was "humor". it comes under the national exeption for performing artists section 103.72. thank you.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:17 | 4810758 45Condor
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...I'm rather hoping that my VPN will leave no scent for the 'bot' dogs. I'm also hoping that my choice of diction is not being profiled, and thus leading to my nationality/location being revealed.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 18:07 | 4811100 SAT 800
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Hope is always good. I won't tell you the actual facts; it won't make you happy.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:06 | 4810715 Stuck on Zero
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Here's how you feed the homeless without being bothered by the police.  Set up a Gay/Lesbian/Transgendered empowerment booth that hands out free food.

The cops and politicians would be scared shitless about stopping them.


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:06 | 4810941 JLee2027
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Half a dozen cops just to write a citation.

Bullies always enjoy intimidation, especially when they have nothing else to do.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4810041 Zirpedge
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How are people not to think that they are poisoning the homeless? There are some sick people out there. The state needs to enforce not only food safety but also the monopoly over defending the defensless. There are food shelters for the homeless. My advice, if any of you all can take your eyes off of the gold/gun case at the local pawn shop, go down to the shelter and donate some time to the soup line.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:28 | 4810062 maskone909
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one of the craziest memories i have is visiting my ex gf's family while they were in a "shelter".  it was late at night most were sleeping.  they were packed in there like sardines.  it was barely visable inside, and all you could hear was the sound of tons of people snoring.  horrible.  they had to live on the street just to get a spot in that place for weeks. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:30 | 4810068 Theta_Burn
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You make a good point.

Note that these folks have been doing this for a while and the crowds got big enough to draw attention to the situation. and all it takes is 1 person to complain...and its over. for everyone involved it completely sucks

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:31 | 4810075 Grande Tetons
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There are some sick people out there.


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:48 | 4810137 NotApplicable
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You mean like the ones that make aid packets of food that look just like the cluster bombs they drop?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:12 | 4810746 SAT 800
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yeah and one of them is Zirphedge.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:44 | 4810120 FrankieGoesToHo...
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The data showes they were not poisoning the people.  Since they have been doing it for a year, the homeless would all be dead by now if that was the case.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:10 | 4810730 mt paul
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many of the homeless

go missing

never to be seen again...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:52 | 4810897 FrankieGoesToHo...
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Agree, but after a year of feeding homeless, If the food was poisoned, there should be a drastic reduction in punters.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:52 | 4810152 ejmoosa
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You know government took the private sector(mostly churches and communities) out of the helping hand business decades ago.  They want a monopoly on the State being the ones to help the masses.  And they are failing.


Who's poisoning America more?  Some folks feeding the homeless in Daytona?  Or Monsanto's GMO foods?  Which one has the blessings of the USDA?


Be careful where you place your trust.


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:00 | 4810182 Renewable Life
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You stupid fucking, statist crony lunatic, are you being serious???

"poisoning" them, ya like the fucking "donated" shit at the shelter, with 5 days past expiration dates, are so healthy??  And for your information I did spend years "donating" time at the local shelter & Gospel Mission, and its a fucking madhouse down there! Staff turnover is cronic, the husband and wife who "run" the non profit and "manage it" collectively pay themselves $150,000 a year, the beautiful people who volunteered all the time, were overwhelmed and underqualified to manage the mental health, sanitation, and phychological trauma they were witnessing! 

But i'm sure it's all nothing a bigger Government Obligarchy State Tynanny can't fix right, dipshit?? Let me guess, more government employees and regulations needed, right? What a self-rightous piece of shit statement you just made!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:39 | 4810602 Winston Churchill
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Calm down.

I think its MDB' other avatar.

I hope so or he is one evil ,sick.projecting  bastard.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:11 | 4810735 SAT 800
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forgot the /sarc tag ? I hope.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:45 | 4810133 Flakmeister
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The whole idea behind the law was to make homeless people "disappear"...

Out of sight, out of mind...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:01 | 4810201 Payne
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These laws would also preclude a family picnic, a potluck dinner etc.  Stupidity

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:16 | 4810755 SAT 800
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No; it is not stupidity. it is policy. Please research Hitler's Third Reich; you will find exactly the same thing. Exactly. it is not stupidity.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:36 | 4810597 markpower49
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Feed the bums rat poison. We need a culling of the herd. All you poor losers need to hang yourselves, or move to California.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:14 | 4810751 SAT 800
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Okay, you hang yourself first, and I"ll watch to make sure I get it right.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:46 | 4810632 Pickleton
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Stories like this should be thrown in the face progtards.  Especially the simpleton dicks that yammer about 'the GOP wants to starve poor people' 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:15 | 4810012 shiftless
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Time to start putting bullets in these mother fuckers. And no, I don't mean the homeless.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:17 | 4810017 Relentless101
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Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:28 | 4810057 Kaiser Sousa
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it appears u've got some establishment troll of an asshole on ur tail evidenced by the down..

fucking moron..

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:58 | 4810151 JuliaS
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For those who no longer remember what a gun is:

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:30 | 4810561 Overfed
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Love it.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:18 | 4810761 SAT 800
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headshots only please; they have vests. hi-point .40 carbine highly reccomended. very, very, reliable and acccurate.

Sat, 05/31/2014 - 23:24 | 4813732 shiftless
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I'm thinking a .50 cal AP round would be more effective.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:16 | 4810014 agstacks
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this is so fucked up

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:22 | 4810031 Grande Tetons
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I am curious if people can feed birds legally in the same park. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:25 | 4810044 Toolshed
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Excellent question.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:38 | 4810097 dearth vader
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Only if they're homing birds.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:27 | 4810345 Frank N. Beans
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birds don't depend on the government


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:16 | 4810518 HurricaneSeason
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Actually, you can't feed the birds in Florida.  It's not a bad law at an outdoor restaurant bcause birds will start attacking food on tableas well as customers.  I worked at a construction company where 2 guys of a field crew got a fine of hundreds of dollars for feeding fish in a retention pond near the job site.  Proves there are way too many wildlife officers.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:44 | 4810873 nc551
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-1  "not a bad law"??  Compliance or death for a matter of giving wildlife food?  Why not let the restaurant make that decision themselves.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:03 | 4811443 HurricaneSeason
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A restaurant was just one example.  Feeding gators for a home video is good to be illegal too.  That said, there are way too many wildlife officers in Florida on the governments tit.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:17 | 4810018 williambanzai7
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And why do they pass laws like this? They want homeless "riff raff" to move on to the next town.

They would send them to the "camps" if they could.

Something for FEMA to look forward to...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:26 | 4810051 Zirpedge
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No, your nano-RFID tag will be injected due to a MERS pandemic threat. "Camp", just look around, you are in the panopticon. Every home a debt prison.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:48 | 4810136 negative rates
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Here spot, where the heck is that stuffed animal? Tore up by buttons the cat you say, at least let me wear the spots out.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:38 | 4810099 dontgoforit
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You know how it goes.  Ralphine, a city councilwoman, gets a call from Rufus her uncle who owns a weiner shop on Main St. saying, "The panhandlers are scaring away all my customers - please help - I've got no business."  So Ralphine, being the good councilwoman she is, introduces the local ordinance and the council feeling like this might be a good idea for tourism, passes the ordinance.  Viola' - no more homeless around. Now that might seem heartless, but due to it's great warm weather, FL has a boatload of homeless people.  So, if you are Rufus and your business is floundering because of the homeless people and you see a threat of becoming homeless yourself because of it, what would you do?  If they'd handled it correctly - and I don't know what other provisions there may be, if any - they would have set up a place somewhere away from the maddening tourist crowd where Debbie & hubby can do their Christian duty.  There are solutions if people really want to seek them out.  I favor taking care of folks who can't take care of themselves, but there are ways to do it that are acceptable to both sides of the issue.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:56 | 4810172 2¢Wurth
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As I look at the park in question, it is an island with a causeway to N Beach St., quite a ways from the commercial district.  I would think that drawing the poor away from Rufus' weiner shop would be a positive thing.  There are also large grassy areas away from the street where hundreds of people could gather without restricting the flow of traffic or being around residential homes.  And finally, they are only doing this once a week - I'm sure they have sporting events, concerts, etc. more often than that.  Councilwoman Ralphine should resign in shame - oh, I forgot, we have no shame anymore.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:22 | 4810777 SAT 800
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well, we might still have some shame; but apparently dongoforit does not.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:24 | 4810783 SAT 800
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you, Sir, are a mealy-mouthed Ass Hole.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:15 | 4810960 JLee2027
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Well Ralphine is an idiot. You don't have to pass a law.  Tell the business owner to take care of the problem themsevles. Like the old days.

Only idiots think you can outlaw things and the problem goes away. More laws make it worse, not better. This is the world we live in, funded by endless money. When the funding ends, it will change quickly.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:15 | 4810287 kchrisc
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And why they might want to cover-up the homelessness in the DC US:


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

                                                                                                                   Maybe, maybe not Thomas Jefferson, but prophetic all the same.


"Return some bread to a people and they eat another day. Give them a guillotine and they can keep all of their bread."

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:20 | 4810024 Theta_Burn
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Their food vending licensing not up to snuff?

Is this protecting the good semaritans or the bureaucracy?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:22 | 4810034 yogibear
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Didn't the comrades at the DHS buy over a billion bullets?

Watch out for Chairman Obama's executive orders. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:16 | 4810289 Bunders
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Maybe that's the "local ordinance" that dontgoforit mentioned.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:26 | 4810036 Emergency Ward
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Serfs are trying to cut in on the action reserved for the fucking mob.  These services can't be performed except by "connected" and "made" mob/government employees or their approved bribe-paying "private" counterparts .....the armed, costumed mob soldiers arrive to overturn tables, seize property, make arrests and hand out penalty citations for a day in the kangaroo court run by another mobster (here comes the judge).......

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:27 | 4810052 Tinky
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Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4810147 NotApplicable
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Our local food bank doesn't even want food donations (except for PR campaigns). They prefer cash, as they can "negotiate a better deal than you can."

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:22 | 4810329 Bunders
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"(here comes the judge)......." - Yet another YouTube music video link (I warned you at least).

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4810038 Madcow
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Homeless advocates = terrorists

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:31 | 4810078 Colonel Klink
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Yep, our benevolent government prefers to send drones.  I have seen the terrorist, and he is U.S.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:30 | 4810811 SAT 800
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Yawol mein herr Oberst ! 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:32 | 4810828 SAT 800
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"We have met the enemy, and he is us"----Pogo--from the famous Walt Kelley comic strip.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4810040 SilverIsMoney
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When asked if he had any regrets McVeigh responded by saying he wished hed just sniped individuals that deserved to die instead of blowing up a building. Not only could he have gone years without getting caught but he could have targeted people that really deserved to die.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 16:34 | 4810836 SAT 800
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I wished he had too. his statement is amazing; it's perfectly lucid and written in excellent English; and it makes perfect sense. He was trying to wake you up to the fact revealed by Waco; that you have a Gestapo; here, and now. Too bad you didn't wake up.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:45 | 4811568 Lost Word
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Except that the Oklahoma building was destroyed by demolition explosives installed INSIDE the building,

similar to the WTC buildings in NYC.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:25 | 4810043 dontgoforit
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"Blessed are they who are persecuted and hated because of me for their reward shall be great."  Jesus, my Savior.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:26 | 4810050 tarsubil
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He was right when intentionally disobeying the rules of men.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:44 | 4810122 Herd Redirectio...
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It all went downhill after he messed with those moneychangers in the temple...

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4810146 dontgoforit
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That, too, was the plan.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:52 | 4810159 Grande Tetons
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His last words on the cross not fight the Fed. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:54 | 4810161 Flakmeister
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We all know what happens when a socialist takes on the bankers...


Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:48 | 4811036 SAT 800
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yeah, the french kissing gets pretty embarrasing to watch.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 20:32 | 4811530 Flakmeister
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That would have been Judas....

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:26 | 4810048 didyoujustpullt...
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As someone who was actually homeless, and worked with homeless people afterwards, I totally agree with fining people who use public spaces to feed homelesss people. If multiple groups feed at a given park or area, homeless people tend to congregate in that area, and not leave, effectively confiscating it and turning it into a campground that other citizens can't use. Many homeless people are, for lack of a better word, "evil". People living on the street fall inot various categories, or multiple categories, such as mental ill and drug addict. Many of them are hiding from warrants from everything from murder and rape, to child support and bribery. I lived homeless in LA for 2 years, spending 6 months literally living underneath the Santa Monica Pier. I eventually got into a shelter, and rebuilt my life, and then gave back to the shelter that helped me, but I will not help individual homeless people with spare change, or donate anything to any organization because at best you're not helping, at worst you're prolonging their situation by providing them sustenance, or you're providing for someone that should be in prison.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:29 | 4810061 Tinky
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You're like the ex-smoker who becomes enraged when a whiff of cigarette smoke finds its way to your nostrils.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:34 | 4810086 didyoujustpullt...
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No, I'm like the ex homeles guy whot watched people be stabbed for $12 in food stamps, watched people live in the homeless shelter for free for a month, and then when the first came around, got their social security or welfare check, get a motel room and smoke or shootup their entire check, and then come back to the shelter. I've seen homeless people steal other homeless people's last wordly possessions. I've been there, you haven't.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:38 | 4810100 maskone909
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by your same logic, shouldnt the police advocate for homeless congregations?  i mean, if they are so infested with criminals, it should make the cops job alot easier to lock them up?  i have been there too and you are a fucking asshole. straight up.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:48 | 4810141 didyoujustpullt...
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Yes the police should go there. I went from living under the pier donating plasma for food, to graduating from Pepperdine, and getting a good job in 8 years. I gave back for what I recieved, but I also understand what I wrote in my other comment. That shelter recieved $800 per month for me being there, while providing me with food that was donated. They profited by helping me. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:57 | 4810178 Quus Ant
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You do realize you are advocating for your former self, YOU, to have been left in the gutter, right? 

Cleaned up, Pepperdine, good job and you still aren't self-aware.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:22 | 4810326 didyoujustpullt...
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No, I would have gotten out of my situation, it just would have taken longer. Being in the shelter actually hindered me in many regards. They have strict guidelines as far as curfews, and schedules that I had to adhere to, that prevented me from looking for different types of jobs. For instance, the shelter required everyone to be inside the shelter at 5:00pm, and to attend a 12 step type meating at 7:00pm. That meant that in order for me to stay there, I could only work until 4;00pm. They aslo forced me to take "any" job, so I worked for minimum wage. I was required to find work within 30 days, or they said they were going to kick me out. I worked for $4.25 to $5.00 an hour while in the shelter, as soon as I left I took a table waiting job paying $5.00 an hour, plus tips, which was 3 to 5 times as much money. It's funny, I ran into the guy who was my counselor a few months ago. I hadn't seen him in 10 years. He asked if I was still working "there". The job I got when I graduated, and I said yes. He looked at my car and said you're a big wig now huh? I just smiled and walked away. During the aforementioned 12 step meetings, people sat around and told their horror stories about being homeless. I explained that in 6 months of living on the street I never once spared changed anyone or ate out of garbage cans or anything I found degrading. I donated plasma and did day labor, and if I didn't work I din't eat. All the other homeless people attacked me for my arrogance, the same way the people on here are today, abd that counselor told everyone not to laugh, that that pride was going to make me successful one day.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:30 | 4810362 Quus Ant
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My hands were steady
My eyes were clear and bright
My walk had purpose
My steps were quick and light
And I held firmly
To what I felt was right
Like a rock

Like a rock, I was strong as I could be
Like a rock, nothin' ever got to me
Like a rock, I was something to see
Like a rock

And I stood arrow straight
Unencumbered by the weight
Of all these hustlers and their schemes
I stood proud, I stood tall
High above it all
I still believed in my dreams

Twenty years now
Where'd they go?
Twenty years
I don't know
Sit and I wonder sometimes
Where they've gone

And sometimes late at night
When I'm bathed in the firelight
The moon comes callin' a ghostly white
And I recall
I recall

Like a rock. standin' arrow straight
Like a rock, chargin' from the gate
Like a rock, carryin' the weight
Like a rock

Like a rock, the sun upon my skin
Like a rock, hard against the wind
Like a rock, I see myself again
Like a rock

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:43 | 4810413 maskone909
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for a second there i thought i was in a chevy silverado commercial ;)

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:58 | 4810682 Pickleton
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Yes, Yes you did.  Unless you can more coherently explain how the hell in your world you'd make it illegal to provide anything for homeless, just not the shelters.  How stupid is that.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:04 | 4810938 SAT 800
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I think you're probably right; and I've been close enough to see it too. you're credible and I up-voted you. the upper middle class whinners on here aren't going to listen of course.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:03 | 4810206 maskone909
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a huge portion of homeless have mental illness and drug problems.  there is currently loopholes in the system that leave those individuals to the street or the prison system.  there really isnt any place for them to get treatment and the places that do exist are filled to capacity.  this  is a problem that is ignored.  citizens that take it upon themselves to help shines a light on the situation and should be encouraged.  as you say, they(homeless) congregate at these places.  well that might be just what we need to force people to take responsibility by actually having to see and deal with it instead of turning their cheek. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:41 | 4810106 Tinky
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You are painting a stereotype of the homeless with an asurdly broad brush. Do you have any idea how many homeless people there are around the country (let alone the world)? The notion that a very high percentage are either dangerous, or destined somehow to abuse help in the form of food handouts is ludicrous.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:29 | 4810359 didyoujustpullt...
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No, most homeless people are dangerous. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:43 | 4810119 dontgoforit
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Amen, bro.  For folks who haven't read the tome, Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace - they should.  1188 pgs long, crazy story, but a very good take on the drug addicted and their psychology. 

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:46 | 4810128 maskone909
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no offense, but if you have to read about it in a book to gain insight, well that speaks for itself.  take a look around.  almost every family in this country has someone hooked on prescription opiates.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:54 | 4810163 dontgoforit
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Just a recommendation, maskone909.  It's a really interesting book; just happens to have a good take on addiction.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:03 | 4810468 FredFlintstone
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Where are the sun glasses man?!

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 15:36 | 4810595 Tall Tom
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I miss that icon also. Where are the sunglasses maskone?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:46 | 4811034 FredFlintstone
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Did you take some time off Tom?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:16 | 4810963 SAT 800
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thank you, I now have it on order from the library.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:46 | 4810131 moonman
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I have watched people who are not homeless stab another non homeless person for $5.00. Your fucking point is?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:57 | 4810184 didyoujustpullt...
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I made my point, what's your point? Do you even have one?

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 17:08 | 4810949 SAT 800
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they're not going to get it. they're comfy upper middle class tax whinners who were too lazy and irresponsible to vote for Romney. I believe you and up voted you.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:38 | 4810098 therearetoomany...
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or the ex alcoholic (oh, never an ex...always recovering) who wishes to deny the enjoyment to others.

Though, to an extent, he is right...for instance the idea of giving shopping carts to the homeless, or 'be sure to leave your left over food on the garbage instead of in it" as is/was popular in San Francisco

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 13:40 | 4810107 didyoujustpullt...
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Furthermore, I was homeless from 1995 to 1997. I can still drive around Venice and Santa Monica and see homeless people who were homeless when I was. It's a lifestyle and a business. Many of these people, especially in Southern California, have no problem camping on the beach, forever. The homeless agencies recieve federal funding for each mouth fed so they continue to provide food for people, because that is their business. Homeless shelter recieve $800 per month for each veteran they house, while providing $100 per months in food and services, because everything they use is donations from bleeding heart liberals, and the fed money is a bonus.

Fri, 05/30/2014 - 14:01 | 4810204 NotApplicable
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You do realize that in a way you're making the same argument against shelters as park feeding?

My only point being, there are no rational solutions to irrational problems caused by benevolent dictators and their armed minions.

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