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Edward Snowden's Unaired Remarks About September 11
There was much said in last week's primetime interview between Edward Snowden and NBC's Brian Williams. But perhaps more interesting than what was said in the one hour time-slot, was what was contained in the three extra hours of conversations that were not broadcast, such as Snowden's questioning of the American intelligence community’s inability to stop the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. One such segment, as transcribed by RT, involves the former NSA contractor's response to a question from Williams on how to prevent further attacks from Al Qaeda and other "non-traditional enemies" in which Snowden suggested that United States had the proper intelligence ahead of 9/11 but failed to act.
“You know, and this is a key question that the 9/11 Commission considered. And what they found, in the post-mortem, when they looked at all of the classified intelligence from all of the different intelligence agencies, they found that we had all of the information we needed as an intelligence community, as a classified sector, as the national defense of the United States to detect this plot,” Snowden said. “We actually had records of the phone calls from the United States and out. The CIA knew who these guys were. The problem was not that we weren’t collecting information, it wasn’t that we didn’t have enough dots, it wasn’t that we didn’t have a haystack, it was that we did not understand the haystack that we have.”
Or, as some have suggested over the years, it was not that "we" did not understand the haystack. Quite the contrary. Which is precisely why the attacks took place. But back to the accepted narrative:
“The problem with mass surveillance is that we’re piling more hay on a haystack we already don’t understand, and this is the haystack of the human lives of every American citizen in our country,” Snowden continued. “If these programs aren’t keeping us safe, and they’re making us miss connections — vital connections — on information we already have, if we’re taking resources away from traditional methods of investigation, from law enforcement operations that we know work, if we’re missing things like the Boston Marathon bombings where all of these mass surveillance systems, every domestic dragnet in the world didn’t reveal guys that the Russian intelligence service told us about by name, is that really the best way to protect our country? Or are we — are we trying to throw money at a magic solution that’s actually not just costing us our safety, but our rights and our way of life?
This goes to the fundamental argument that made Snowden blow the whistle in the first place: by overreaching to a level not fathomed even by the author of "1984", and by scrambling to collect every piece of electronic communication and data exchange, or said otherwise, shotgunning and focusing on the bulk instead of isolating actionable data, what is the tradeoff?
We do know that handing all private data to the NSA on a silve platter has certainly resulted in an abuse of personal privacy by those tasked with protecting Americans as we detailed in the past in "NSA Agents Used Company Resources To Spy On Former Spouses." Who knows how else this epic trove of private data is being abused by the government for its own ulterior motives, while letting, as Snowden suggested, critical information about the protection of US citizens - the very premise behind the NSA's existence - slip through its fingers.
Indeed, the director of the NSA during Snowden’s stint there, Gen. Keith Alexander, reportedly endorsed a method of intelligence gathering in which the agency would collect quite literally all the digital information it was capable of. “Rather than look for a single needle in the haystack, his approach was, ‘Let’s collect the whole haystack,’” one former senior US intelligence official recently told the Washington Post. “Collect it all, tag it, store it. . . .And whatever it is you want, you go searching for it.”
In recent weeks, a leaked NSA document has affirmed that under the helm of Alexander, the agency was told it should do as much as possible with the information it gathers: "sniff it all, know it all, collect it all, process it all and exploit it all,” according to the slide. “They're making themselves dysfunctional by collecting all of this data,” Bill Binney, a former NSA employee-turned-whistleblower himself, told the Daily Caller last year. Like Snowden, Binney has also argued that the NSA’s “collect it all” condition with regards to intelligence gathering is deeply flawed.
“They've got so much collection capability but they can't do everything. They're probably getting something on the order of 80 percent of what goes up on the network. So they're going into the telecoms who have recorded all of the material that has gone across the network. And the telecoms keep a record of it for I think about a year. They're asking the telecoms for all the data so they can fill in the gaps. So between the two sources of what they've collected, they get the whole picture,” Binney said.
Although NBC neglected to play Mr. Snowden’s remarks to Williams in which he questioned the efficiency of modern intelligence gathering under the guise of being a counterterrorism tool, it did air on television other remarks from the former contractor concerning the terrorist attacks.
Stepping back, this really is a debate about government efficiency, incentives and motives. The biggest problem with the NSA, or rather its modus operandi, according to Snowden is not that it does not have the architecture to use the data already in its possession to isolate and prevent incidents of terrorism: it did, and arguably it had enough facts in its (and the CIA's) possession to prevent the September 11 attack, and it certainly was equipped with enough surveillance to prevent the Boston Marathon bombing, yet it didn't. In the meantime, the information grab is expanding until Big Brother, under the guise of (failed) protection now knows everything about its citizens. Simply said: this is merely government bloat in its most purest - spending ever greater amounts of money to become increasingly more inefficient, in the process destroying the concept of individual privacy.
Or as Snowden himself said it in a fragment that was aired,
"It’s really disingenuous for the government to invoke and scandalize our memories to sort of exploit the national trauma that we all suffered together and worked so hard to come through to justify programs that have never been shown to keep us safe, but cost us liberties and freedoms that we don’t need to give up and our Constitution says we don’t need to give up."
Sadly, until the people themselves wake up to this conclusion which prompted one person to speak up against a broken system, all of his efforts will have been largely in vain.
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Goldstein! Goldstein! Hate hate hate you!!!!
i called snowden as one of theirs months ago. i got junked to hell
knock it off, krugman
the only "whistle" Snowden's blowing is the dog-whistle, getting that livestock guardian dog BACK ON THE GROUPTHINK track.
for fuck's sake people. do you have to wait for GreenWald's movie of the story of the book of the HERO??? as GG rakes in the millions, like the good Jewish Lawyer that he is?? awarded funding by Omidyar, who has known connections with "NGOs" that are known shit-stirrers??
or can you connect some dots and fire up some dead-end dendrites, unplug from the NEED for an HEROIC LEADER, and just see what is actually unfolding, has been unfolding for years now. . .
there are parallel storylines unfolding all the time - all one need do to connect them is realise that there is no ONE narrative, and so - why would you subscribe to a single one-size-fits-all REALITY. . .
particularly one that is tailor-made to undermine your very existence.
red pill, or GTFO.
Unfortuntately for those of us who previously chose the red pill ... once you have taken it you simply can't untake it.
Here... try dropping a blue pill (Bush+Cheney = Patriots) and then sit down to watch the AE9111truth video...
http://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth
Now just watch it and keep repeating to yourself... It was the fire... It was the fire... It was the fire...
Any luck?
the "red pill" meme doesn't seem to cover anything outside of "we know the Fed isn't part of the holy USA" and "the markets are manipulated" (but we still gamble in 'em). . .
whereas, some folks who really understand the "red pill" concept realise,
there. are. no. sides. once the Truth is known.
"sides" are for manipulating thoughts, leading to actions - "sides" are used by those who believe themselves gods.
therefore, the Truth must INCLUDE all co-existing and conflicting Realities.
the Truth is the Red Pill. everything else is tasty candy.
but "911 is the litmus test" certainly holds much Truth.
If there are powerful groups of individuals amongst the competing elements out there that can pull off a 9/11 and get away with it... then you understand that psychopaths (very high functioning ones) almost certainly run the entire planet.
As for "no sides" ... "sides" are what we are. We are nothing if not a herding tribal species who will go to extreme lengths to protect our myths/belief systems... which in turn assures our collective control and eventual demise.
It's baked into the cake.
the inter-locking, over-lapping circles of competing psychopaths are a given, history is littered with 'em. like fleas & ticks, we exist in amongst them, and duck 'n' dive as they repeatedly embed themselves in our lives.
the trick is acknowledgement, but dis-engage from their systems, as much as possible. and then a bit more. and more again. . . it CAN happen.
we just stop using their reality to exist within, and creatively morph into one more comfortable to who we find ourselves to Be.
tribes are fine - community is another word for them. the "belief systems" and "extreme lengths" exist, no need to spend ones whole life waiting on 'em.
who is this 'we' that you think is all ready to join your jump into the woods??
you and rest here would be the first to ridicule hippies and their 60's communes but to this day that shit scared the fucknuts of the government more than anything since Rome killed Jesus
there hasn't been one article on ZH about timebanks which is about the only thing besides bitcoin that really stir up shit in the state's face
((not my downtick))
I use "we" very loosely - "we" as humans making choices in what we "believe" to be "reality" - it's just that simple to me. there are obvious endless versions of human truths, from religious screeds to pledges of nationstate allegiance, to family ties, to corporate name-tags - people choose every day.
but I personally am not looking for any "joiners" - I have no agenda beyond the desire to point at the constructed realities, and perhaps a few might also see through. and one can "wake up" anywhere, no "woods" required.
as someone who actually lives in community with other adults, and has lived some version of this all my adult life - no licensed pair bonding, no kids, no life-style - you are mistaken if you believe I "ridicule" ANYone opting out of the proffered belief systems. there have always been 'communities" outside the mainstream - globally! - they can be a form of cultural evolution, living outside the box'd.
agree with you about "timebanks" - but ZH isn't the place to read about these things - ZH sells a different product to a much different audience.
and you know this. , ,
The Jews killed Jesus.
Rome washed its hands of the matter.
"More like American Psyop"
I agree. Here's what I don't see happening: rage. Where is the rage? It's clear that the government is collecting just about every bit of information it can about each and every person in the US. They listen to phone calls and intercept every digital conversation. They engage is the most vile intrusions into our lives. And yet nobody seems to pissed off. It's obvious to me that as the old saying goes, people care more for safety than freedom. Who gives a damn if government is listening if they still have access to two hundred channels of entertainment and live in relative comfort. Snowden is absolutely a government stooge. He admitted it the other night with Brian Williams by admitting he worked for the CIA, DoD and NSA. Someone reasonably bright would have known precisely what he was getting into when he went to work for those repugnant organizations. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what they do. I don't mean to sound arrogant but there isn't a chance in hell I'd ever work for government spy shops because I know exactly the moral depravity under which they operate. Again however, where is the rage? Why aren't people demanding that these programs be dismantled? Answer: because....excuse me, the golf tournament is on and I have to cut this short.
"They listen to phone calls and intercept every digital conversation. They engage is the most vile intrusions into our lives. And yet nobody seems to pissed off."
conditioned helplessness.
shock a puppy and prevent his escape and the puppy will learn to live with the shock.
it's called evolution and it ain't pretty.
and no, it ain't survival of the fittest....it's peter schiff, ayn rand, milton friedman, larry summers, janet yellen, the bernanke, the icahn, the greenspan, the diamond, the blankfiend, the krugman, the bobby rubin, the rahm emanuel, etc on a secret pump and dump mission to utter self annihilation......
aww sounds like you're crying outside of the cool club that you can't get in.. why don't you organize your own club to fight back instead of lazy comment angst on blogs?
the ironic part is that their club got poor jokers to hate on the other poor fucks that actually organized some resistance with labor unions.. but nooo they are all terrible.. the worst thing on earth I tell ya, nothing worse then those unions
HAHAHAHA fucking dumb shit brains dont even know which direction to fight
Guy at work and his wife got back from a trip to London. Talked about the shit-fuck border control and TSA/DHS in the US (and elsewhere) and how worthless they are. I'm thinking "right on brother". Then he goes and says "yeah, but I'd rather be inconvenienced by the TSA and Customs/Border Patrol than, you know, the alternative (makes the plane crashing into the ground motion with his hand)."
I just about punched him in his stupid fucking face.
That's what we're dealing with. A nation of idiotic sheeple that cower in fear of losing their miserable fucking lives to some phantom menace. That's why there's no rage.
Every time I have flown recently I have heard a similar comment from at least one person in line to be manhandled by TSA. No outrage what so ever. They honestly believe these obese, essentially non compos mentis, uniformed individuals are the key to their safety. I really should laugh instead of banging my head on a wall in frustration.
Miffed;-)
Yep cause nobody ever checks what is in the landing gear compartment, may be a bomb instead of a 16yo kid
nobody ever checks the "toilet" honeypots either, verboten - except for some special UNI-FORMED crews. . .
anyone paying attention already knows that story, if one cares, they know.
They fixed the "problem" long ago by replacing the curtain leading to the cockpit with a mother fucking blast door. No more commandeering the plane to use it as a missile. You might as well plant a bomb in a fucking shopping mall on Christmas Eve....it would be easier and you'd kill more people.
But no, sheep, stay in the herd, in line to get your genitals fondled by criminal scum and keep thinking that you're safer because of it.
We have no rights anymore. We need a gigantic reset to thin out this fucking massive herd of retards.
The solution was tens of thousands of unionized fedgov permajobs for a lot of the same retards who manned the checkpoints before 9-11, more cheaply and fire ably.
ah yes the reset... when did that replace the rapture ? even if a jubilee showed up it woudln't change anything.. and even if there was a true revolution, you fucks on here will still be left out of that power grab too
Ever considered they are getting paid to stand in line and say such things? It's just like the on-line forum trolls except you can't call them out on the BS without being accused of being a terrorist.
The security in European airports had a lot of these features decades before 9-11. Because of hijackings(non-suicidal domestic radical groups) then later as Europe imported more millions of islamotards into their atheist-hedonist pornoparadise, your basic suicide bomber threats, they had this sorta shit well in place. We didn't, so we were a very soft target.
What like taking you shoes off and taking you fingernail clippers? They didn't do that over there and still don't
Not to worry. He'll probably wind up on the jury after you're accused of being a "terrorist." Comforting thought, no? /s
how many mos-defs are out there we don't know about because they are not celebrities?
"That's what we're dealing with. A nation of idiotic sheeple that cower in fear of losing their miserable fucking lives to some phantom menace."
And the "awake" 1% don't do shit.
So there you go, 100% non-action, just what .gov wants.
I think the outrage is missing because most folks are like me... im not looking up bomb making material- if the nsa wants to log all the cat videos and joke sites i visit, then more power to them. They will eventually choke on all the mundanity.
what if "bomb making" materials and gardening have a few things in common?
Fertilizer.
What if all it takes is you being against corruption and gross abuse of power by the elites? If indeed you have decided to be their miserable little bitch slave 'till you die, wasting all your hard-earned money on their corporate junk, then yeah, no need to feel too much at risk due to your "mundanity".
Maybe you should come back when you understand a sardonic attitude better. Your idealism suggests recent high school grad, am i right?
Hardly. I am 41 years old and very accomplished - ie: I am just not pathetically weak like you, that's all.
If "most folks are like you," then this explains why the human species is useless.
My standard question to people like you with "nothing to hide":
Do you shit with the bathroom door open?
If you close the door, what exactly are you hiding? The mundanity of taking a shit? Don't be a hypocrite. Throw open that door — everyone already knows you're shitting in there. Right?
eyes agree if you gots nuttin to hides youse got nuttin to fear.
my problems wid der toilet door open is my shit stinks real bad der captain on der boeing said der smell was a danger to der homelands securitartee
"More like American Psyop"
Great name for a TV docudrama!
September 11, Season's Premiere:
Episode 1: Mohammed Atta's Flying Circus.
there's none, and that to me is the scariest thing. it takes any optimism about the future and stabs it in the heart. the govt dick in the collective ass of the people gets deeper and deeper, and like carlin said. nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.
Here is some light on the way 'it' was executed....Russia is turning "freedom and democracy" on its head......http://www.storyleak.com/911-russia-presents-evidence-against-us-uk-and-...
You're a fucking shill. Fuck off, and take your mini-nuke crap with you.
Asshole.
I'll second that shill motion...
If anyone believes that the towers were taken down with nuclear weapons they need to get themselves a new brain...
Never seen any comments form you ever! that's a good one, lets see whether you are an anonymous asshole or who?
If you have something worthy to add, please do so, else FO.
Laws of Physics are not your particular area of strength, I see that....
and the meta-narrative continues,
with more story-threads to *fit* everyOne's chosen realities,
loosely woven for now, but strings are being pulled, and the fabic grows taut. . .
+1 for diggin' around, not content to be spoonfed.
The primary purpose of the nuclear weapon used on 911 was to produce a massive Gama ray / neutron flux that would vaporize about 150 to 300 feet of 6 inch thick steal I beams that constituted the central core of the WTC buildings. This created a free fall event as seen on TV that day. (Editor’s note: Critical information here.)
'Editor’s note: Critical information here', huh? Well, that confirms it.
What a stupid article. Thanks for wasting some more of my life.
What
Until I know any better, I'm going with misguided fool. Lord knows, there's enough of them around.
Again with the down votes!
OK then.
Misguided fool.... or
Self-serving ratfuck.
Any other kind of person work for a government spy agency?
American hologram
i loved carl sagan loved his series the cosmos
loved bronowskis the ascent of man
james buerks connections
arthur c clark all great men one way or the other
all fucking gatekeepers probably masons or worse.
snow blow finally talks on the subject at hand.
a subject he has avoided and blows it with shit spiel or however you spell it.
psy fucking op central
Agree totally on Sagan, Bronowski, James Burke, Arthur.
Today I smoked a lot of weed and rode trails like a mad man on my mountain bike - absolutely didn't give a fuck about anything.
I'd strongly reccommend it to anyone.
When I got home, magically, it was beer O'Clock!
I'll be dead one day.
Edward Snowden is an American Patriot. “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
lol, dude, he was chattin' with Brian Williams. . . and Sony's gonna make a movie about the book about the Hero.
hardly "criticism" - more like profits.
Snowden is a half-truther, gatekeeping shill.
LIHOP is bullshit. It was a planned Zionist false flag in the works for decades. Watch my shit... or don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2wr0khnJA
SNOWDEN IS JUST ANOTHER LIMITED HANGOUT PSYOP BY THE CIA CONFIRMING OFFICIAL NARRATIVE FOR THE SHEEP TO MAKE THEM ACCUSTOMED TO BIG BROTHER SURVEILLENCE.
ANYONE IN THE WORLD WITH EYES AND A CONCEPT OF GRAVITY CAN WATCH VIDEO OF WTC7'S FREEFALL COLLAPSE IN UNDER 7 SECONDS AND REALISE 9/11 WAS A CIA AND MOSSAD FALSE FLAG OPERATION REQUIRING DEMOLITION
WHY CAN'T YOU AMERICANS WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR EYES??? THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOUR IDIOCY FFS!!
Come on, the laws of physics don't apply in the rabbit hole. Physics is what I want you to believe.
"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
If you think the United States government released millions of it's most secret documents to "scare" people then I'm laughing at you.
Loss leader, long time sales tactic to draw in customers.
Besides, if you control what is released then you can call all sorts of things "secret" but they could just be lies (enough truth to make them believable, but not enough to make them useful) - also a very old trick.
Nothing new under the sun.
sorry double post
Np
It was double-post worthy
Patriot? Maybe. Patriot Games? Maybe.
But I wonder whether Snowden would put his life on the line, regarding 9-11, like this guy?
CLICK VIDEO: Demolition expert Danny Jowenko watching Building 7 video for first time, "it was controlled demolition."
Jeffersonian Patriot. Liberty Patriot. America is a Fantasy run by the Facist.
It wasn't Arabs that's for sure!
JUST BEHAVE THE WAY I TELL YOU YOU SHOULD BEHAVE OTHERWISE YOU ARE A SUSPECT !
I didn't watch the Brian Williams act but, given later media reports, Snowden handled himself with intelligence and dignity. This is not easy being in the room with Williams--a real oily scumbag.
"I didn't watch or hear any of the story we're commenting on, but given later media reports. . ."
effort-less.
*head desk*
second comment. first time.
Snowden for Nobel prize!
He should make a run for president in absentia.
where's that at? sounds like a place i could live comfortably.
Snowden for Nobel prize!
Or...did Snowden just collapse in his own footstep at freefall speed?...
The dogs in the street know that 9/11 was the ultimate inside job from the USSA and friends (and enemies), all working together
His shoes were on fire.
As seen on the TNT Network
Really? Thats what he had to say about 9/11? What a fucking hack. We were already aware that we new of the impending attacks. Remember? Just like Pearl Harbor? Hello? Is this thing on? All scripted, all bullshit, all the time!
What he did say was censored - removed from the video. Maybe he tried to say as much as he could with it still getting on air, or at least on transcripts. Who is to say he did not say more, and it was censored out of the transcripts?
maybe GreenWald's expose will say more - maybe it won't be censored, and the real truths will be on display.
maybe unicorns.
maybe the tooth fairy is going to leave 10 grand under your pillow tonight as well...
There is more money to be made taking a brute force thoughtless approach and it's really easier to do...you can be braindead and proceed this way....and...the results/capabilities that they are selling the public on are really not their objectives....it's all a scam/fraud.
C'mon, Snowden, just say it...building 7....The proper people knew the whole time what was going down.
C'mon... buildings close to buildings that are hit by planes can fall down
The TV said so
It's the shock, you see. Buildings have feelings, too.
If Building 7 was the target, there are plenty of easier, more direct ways to take it out than flying planes into the twin towers next to it and then claiming that the collapse of the twin towers caused it to fall down.
A truck bomb or other direct attack would have been a far better way to get rid of WTC7 than orchestrating an attack against adjacent buildings, the White House and the Pentagon as a 'cover'.
It doesn't make any sense.
Valuable objectives always have multiple assets.
Shock was a very valuable asset, not just cover, it helped propel the American (and world) sheople into lock step with Neo-con desires. Not to mention insurance, troublesome companies and a warning shot across the bow of any who would dare question the PTB (not the plebs but those with some money and power).
Anyway, you don't seem to want to allow the laws of physics to sway your beliefs, why should rationalty do so...
Boring. I'd rather read the NIST report about how WTC7 fell at freefall into its own footprint. Very technical.
Latest Tom Clancy theory out there is that not only did one of the highjacker's passports survive -- but also a hijacker -- and they were going to steal information in that building, and that is why they had to pull it. And that is why snowden is so dangerous ... 'cause ... well ...
Very technical.
Very very very bad science!!!! Actually it's an insult to science to call the NIST report science at all.
Sure, but if I am going to read fiction, I want atleast PhD level fancy. Kinda like Econ PhD level fancy, but for structural engineers and architects.
Double talk just appears to be at PhD level.
I heard Saddam flew both planes into the Twin Towers.
Jumped out at the last second, parachuted down to a convertible sportscar receiving him in the backseat with hot babes (with bigass titties) on either side. Yep.
So you're saying the book "Where's Saddam?" is factual?. I had previously assumed it was just for entertainment:
http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Saddam-Henry-Beard/dp/0767917170
«I heard Saddam flew both planes into the Twin Towers.»
...and then offed himself with two shots in the back of the head...
Pulic Choice Theory ( James M. Buchanan, Nobel) says that the purpose of any burocracy is the wealth, power and growth of the burocracy.
It is agaist the mil/intel empire to prevent attacks. Peace is the enemy. Enemies are their friends. You, me, sheeple, not so much.
9/11 = biggest mcguffin ever.
9/11 = biggest mcguffin yet.
FTFY
Its already common knowledge that the U.S. had the intel including methods/probable dates.
Everyone from Britain to France to Germany to Israel, hell even Iran sent intel reports to the U.S.
It was simply ignored.
Was there no mention of "false flag" in the whole interview? When you have an obvious inside job, all you have to do is turn the NSA towards itself and the federal government. Bingo! That Snowden didn't mention this at all, and in fact suggested the government's conspiracy theories have some legitimacy is just astonishing. I think I smell a rat!
Good point. Not a mention of Sandy Hoax or Boston Boom.
plenty of distraction-needles in the "haystacks" repeatedly mentioned though.
"scandalize our memories, exploit the national trauma we all suffered together"
do. fuck. off.
Or the latest "attack" in california for that matter
Snowden should of said the BBC had better intelligence on building 7 than the CIA in total.
i just wish he would talk about the fed and gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcqHV3NFteY
Snowden is a CIA stooge who is telling us what we already knew about the NSA (Pentagon) so as to further enable the CIA to gain further control of the Pentagon.
And the joke is that Obama too is a CIA stooge.
The whole thing is almost funny.
Heh, I knew the tin foil hats would freak out.
Wonder how Larry"Pull it" the rat Silverstein is sleeping at night
«Wonder how Larry"Pull it" the rat Silverstein is sleeping at night»
It is a well known fact that amoral Khazar supremacists sleep like little babies and wake up superbly refreshed, ready for moar, moar, MOAR!!!
Their life expectency is estimated at 18 or 10 years, depending which scum is included in the sample. Their enemies & allies sell them that its longer now, but it doesn't look good from where I'm standing. they are still peddling snake juice as elixir...
He is a tribal psychopath. Not only Silverstein sleeps well at night, but with WTC blood money he built rental twin towers "Silver towers" on 42nd street in NYC to mock us.
https://www.google.com/search?q=silver+towers+nyc&source=lnms&tbm=isch&s...
Wonder how Larry"Pull it" the rat Silverstein is sleeping at night?
Sleeps well and long, with a smile on his rat-like face. And why not? He's gotten away with everything and pocketed his insurance billions.
Until Edward Snowden - "Snowed 'Em: - reveals something really so out there that it would shock even the most WELL READ ZH fan, this guy is nothing but Limited hangout, IMHO.
As most everyone with an OPEN mind already knows, and has known for a long time, Building What (WTC-7), Danny Jowenko, Jim Fetzer, Gordon Duff, Barry Jennings, Paul Craig Roberts, and thousands of others, put the pieces together far better than ES.
Melting steel? hahahaha
The Woman At The Edge Of The Abyss -here's the meme:
~ Joseph Heller, Catch 22
they're fuckin' with ya folks, must be hella funny for them to watch the followers follow. . .
And some vindication: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-responds-to-release-of-e-mail-by-us-officials/2014/05/29/95137e1c-e781-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_story.html
www.fakeologist.com
http://septemberclues.info/
http://www.cluesforum.info/
nuff said
This guy is more of a hero than Snowden will ever be.
No, More than ALL of us here (including myself) will ever be. FIFM
Danny Jowenko is Dead, 3 Days After Sabrosky InterviewPlease don't judge Snowden for what he didn't say, but by what he did. His intent has been broad spectrum to cover 911, etc. It has been and is now to point out the sacrifice of American rights and freedom on the alter of national security, so-called.
He has created the discussion and now it is time for you & me to carry the ball from here on out. I am a good friend of Charlie McGrath of Wide Awake News. If you don't follow him, you should!
if i want some disinfo, i'll at least look for a pretty face on it, as presented by the likes of abby martin at rt...
The "unanswered" question from MSNBC presstitute Brian Williams that was never asked of Edward "Snowman"...
Brian Williams...
Ed. Been meaning to ask you this thoughtful question after our little sidetrack of how the intelligence community could have fucked up so egregiously... You know the usual "stuff" about the U.S. having the most formidable and capable military'up to that day on September 11, 2001 that had multiple National Guard Air Force bases between Washington D.C. and New York that just got so totally and completely confused that day because there was that drill thing going on...
Let me ask you the most basic question outside the fact that you joined the NSA but really wanted to be a special forces operative in serving your Country to fight the bad people who would do such a disgraceful deed to your Country. Never mind the bit about the 9/11 Commission report which came out just about the time you joined the NSA that sorta... well.. ya know... had massive kinda holes in the narrative and was delayed of course for 3 years after it happened and left key features out of it, well... like... ya know... a 47 story building that housed NYC's emergency response services, FBI, CIA and SEC offices that had well... ya know... lots of information about Enron, Worldcom, Solomon Brothers and the like that just evaporated along with the 'support columns" in that building due to intense fires...
With all your intellectual capacity as an IT genius being selected out of many candidates for your abilities -what lasting impression do you remember at the outset of watching those three buildings fall that day that left you with, well... ya know... an uneasy sort of anxious feeling? Kind of on the coat tails of what Dan Rather managed to describe about that 47 story building "for the third time today"... thingy?...
Were you as amazed as we all were to see the Towers (hit by airplanes) and Building 7 (fell on it's own 8 hours after the two Towers) as massive as they were collapsing as rapidly as they did?... And did it make you in any way question the narrative while you were attempting to do your job at the NSA?...
For the 8 years you were with the NSA did the conversation on the anamolies of what we Americans all witness that day on 9/11 come up in idle lunch break conversations, or at the lavatory about how ironic it was to see 3 very important steel frame structures collasping in the same fashion and on the same day as a bit strange?...
Did anyone ever disclose information to you in passing that it was an "inside job"?...
Ed "Snowman"...
I really don't know how to respond to that one Brian. I never took high school physics and I barely got a passing grade in chemistry my junior year... Too busy at home hacking DoD "honey pots"!
You know the usual given my skills and professional abilities.
And as for any conversations about 9/11being an inside job while at the NSA? We were too busy with the tasks and "billable" work at hand protecting and safeguarding America from future terrorist attacks!
9/11 was carried out by Saudi Arabians. They planned this together in Hamburg Germany. They then flew into the USA and passed through customs and passport control freely, though a number of the guys were on official terrorist watch lists. Once inside the USA, a number of them went to flight schools to learn to fly both small planes and to train on commercial airliner simulators. While others studied martial arts to help enforce the highjackings. Reports were made by an FBI agent to headquarters, concerned that Arabs were learning to fly, but not take off and land commercial airliners at US flight schools. No notice was taken.
Now, how does this happen without any notice?
I hear lots of theories about who was involved. But even accepting official stories, how on earth does this not be detected. They were not hiding in an Afghan cave plotting this, they did it all in the west and in the USA. One planned highjacker was even arrested by the FBI before the event, his computer was not searched, though the local FBI agent asked permession several times to do so.
After 9/11 and all the deaths, Bush responed by going to CIA, NSA and FBI headquarters and offering his congratulations to all of the agencies for their work. He even pinned national medal of freedom on the heads of the agencies involved as reward for their work on 9/11.
Now, does any of this sound fishy to you? How do we believe that nobody could see this coming. When the National Security Advisor to Bush had a written memo on her desk saying "Bin Laden determined to attack on US soil". and another detailing how "Commercial jet liners would be used as suicide bombs and be flown into ground targets by terrorists".
We are to believe that the Patriot Act was already written before 9/11 and only needed to be formally presented to congress, it was ready to present because the idea it would be needed was known before hand.
Does all this stink?
Yes. It stinks.
And as others have at least implied above, unless someone's narrative of 911 includes Israel, the story is more smoke.
Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-whomever (they aren't Semites), look at operation Gladio. Am I "anti-Murican" to say that the US was the chief architecht of operation Gladio? Of course not.
Do a little digging, of course Israel was involved in 911, to think otherwise is silly.
Jack Burton, were you serious? I had come to expect more insight from your comments in the past! I thought that the Saudi Arabian individuals were mostly pasties. Perhaps some higher levels of Saudi Arabian money was involved? However, following the money through to its source tends to be extremely difficult!
I am of the opinion that those who have belatedly become more recognized as "war criminals," due to the ways that the war on Iraq was started and conducted, were also some of the people with official power that were necessary to enable the events on 9/11/2001 to happen. Similarly, it can be more publicly confirmed who was involved in making sure that there were never any proper criminal investigations nor court cases allowed to happen regarding the events on 9/11.
IN ANY CASE, THE DEEPER QUESTIONS ARE WHAT BETTER MURDER SYSTEMS MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND MASS SURVEILLANCE ???
My view is that there MUST be death controls, and there are! However, history has selected for those to be done through the maximum possible deceits, so much so that the overwhelming vast majority of people deliberately ignore those issues, on level after level of their manifestations.
The paradoxes of militarism operating murder systems through the maximum possible deceits have become the expedient sets of solutions for the problems that there MUST be murder systems. 9/11 was the most spectacular symbol, so far, of the ways that our actual murder systems operate through the maximum possible deceits, in order to back up the established debt slavery systems, which operate through the maximum possible frauds.
Generally speaking, it is practically impossible to resolve the real problems any better, because the established sets of solutions are so totally based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, within which their controlled opposition operates via the same frame of reference as those deceits and frauds. Therefore, the contradictions between weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance becoming trillions of times more powerful and capable, but still serving the purposes which have become almost complete criminal insanities, due to the magnitude to their contradictions, have no apparent resolutions, since what dominates civilization currently are the established systems of deceitful death controls, backing up fraudulent debt controls, which mostly have merely controlled opposition against them, which continues to operate within the same overall frame of reference.
"Jack Burton, were you serious? I had come to expect more insight from your comments in the past!"
Don't feel too bad. Going by the votes, only 5 out of 15 actually got it.
On close examination, not only does the 19 arabs and a camel narrative fall apart, it looks like it was designed to fall apart, and poorly at that.
"Hi, my name is Mohammed and I'm here to learn how to fly, but never mind landing because I won't be needing that."
Yeah, right.
Then there's the girlfriend, the drinking, and being a general asshole to everyone he meets.
Yeah, no one's gonna notice that.
Then there's the dancing Israelis....
hava nagila, hava nagila....
I guess there wasn't enough room in the van to celebrate.
Great fluttering passports, who wrote this crap? It reads like a dime store spy novel. Are they (whoever "they" are) really that inept, or was it all on purpose? Anyone?
Are they (whoever "they" are) really that inept, or was it all on purpose?
Good question, ebear!
After reading hundreds of articles and watching dozens of videos on the 9/11 topic, I certainly do NOT have the answer! I suppose the point is that, given mass media, and the degree already brainwashed minds of the people who watch mass media TV, "they" do not have to bother too hard to make their official story not be absurd! Thousands of years of backing up lies with violence has made continuing to do that be sort of a cake walk for the ruling classes, who appear to control civilization with almost no trouble at all.
9/11 resulted in transferring trillions of dollars from people who were tricked, to those who were tricking them. GIVEN CONTROL OVER THE PUBLIC "MONEY" SUPPLY, AND GIVEN HOW THAT "MONEY" CONTROLS ALMOST EVERYBODY'S LIVES, "THEY" CAN GET AWAY WITH THEIR LIES BEING BLATANTLY ABSURD. After all, it is patently absurd that private banks make the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts, while governments force everyone else to accept that fraud, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THOSE FRAUDS CONSTANTLY MAKE THE BANKSTERS MORE WEALTHY POLITICALLY POWERFUL.
Follow the Oil (aka "Money"). Saudi hijackers, Saudi Bin Laden, Iraq Oil, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Airlines, Saudi Oil, Saudi in USA, Oil , Shell, Chevron, Exxon
Like this
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_...
Creds another comment here
As others have pointed out, it's good to have enemies. Particularly if they can be portrayed as hate-filled scary people who are capable enough to destroy landmark buildings and kill thousands, right in the heart of the empire.
If they didn't exist, they would have to be created, or faked.
9/11 was carried out by Saudi Arabians.
What total fucking rubbish. Saudi Arabia survives due to the support of the USA. It would never dream of doing anything like that. If you don't know that Saudi Arabia is a US puppet that facilitated the collapse of the Soviet Union by quadrupling oil production, you may have been kidnapped by aliens for years.
Listen to Francesco Cossiga on 9/11, former President of Italy, who had to resign after he revealed the truth about Operation Gladio:
Francesco Cossiga, has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy’s most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.
Cossiga was elected President of Italian Senate in July 1983 before being winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.
Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed – an honest politician – and led the country for seven years until April 1992.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ex-italian-president-intel-agencies-know-9-...
>>Now, how does this happen without any notice?
Well, first you create a Bureaucratic Cluster Frack that's populated with metrosexual Useful Idiots like Snowden.
How is it that Snowden too stupid to save the emails that might've covered his arse while leaking 2 million + files?
Regarding 9-11, Danny Jowenko, like Michael Hastings, was much too hot to allowed to live. The video below got Jowenko killed, in a "Boston Brakes" style murder.... RIP Danny.
"Jowenko gained further notoriety when former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, said in a radio interview in 2010, that his skepticism of the official 911 story was prompted by Jowenko's testimony. Jowenko's death comes three days after Sabrosky gave an exclusive interview to PressTV in which he again reiterated his belief, which he says is common knowledge in some intelligence circles, that elements within both the CIA and Israeli Mossad planned 911. Dr. Sabrosky holds the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research at US Army War College.
"He holds that the attacks were planned and executed in order to achieve dovetailing foreign policy goals, foremost the invasion and Balkanization of Iraq. Sabrosky says this has long been a goal among "Neo-conservatives" associated with the think-tank Project for a New American Century (PNAC.)
"Dr. Sabrosky's teaching and research appointments also include the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). He is a Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College.
Dr. Sabrosky says: Quote:
Only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad.
CLICK VIDEO: Demolition expert Danny Jowenko watching Building 7 video for first time, "it was controlled demolition."
Alex...I believe that is called "Silkwooding" his brakes....
RIP Karen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood
Beetle:
Gordon Duff just wrote what would happen to Edward Snowden if he returned and drove a Late model car.
Boston Brakes, No Skidmarks in the Sky |Good link Alex...both work!
Dennis Miller still uses "Silkwooding" in his rants....
This also merits the tag line....
Gov is broke , it was never about terrorism it's about stealing the people's wealth. They are coming after everything that is not nailed down. And after that they are coming back with a crowbar
I believe it is blatantly obvious that the mass media would be deliberately ignoring Snowden unless what he says is somehow due to a higher level of spin. To me, overall, it looks more like a controlled release of information, which continues to share the most important traits of LIES BY OMISSION!
Of course, that does not necessarily mean that Snowden himself is not a patriot, or does not personally believe what he is saying. I am merely suggesting that CONTROLLING THE OPPOSITION is one of the main features of how the established systems work, and therefore, the mass media may well pay attention to Snowden precisely because he is sincere, which aids in the strategy of LIES BY OMISSION.
Given that the lies are different at every level, through apparently infinite tunnels of deceptions, and that DIFFERENT PEOPLE TEND TO STOP AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THE LIES, AND STATE THAT SOME LEVEL OF LIES IS "THE TRUTH," I tend to believe that Snowden is personally honest, and that many people hate him for revealing the degree of truth that he has.
However, in my view, Snowden is obviously another one of those that I describe as reactionary revolutionaries, or Black Sheeple, who continues to indulge in the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, and related impossible ideals, when it comes to promoting possible "solutions" for the levels of the deceptive social controls which he identifies.
Originally, I tried to ignore the events on 9/11/2001 as much as possible, but I finally realized that I had to try to figure out more of the 9/11 Truth, due to its spectacular symbolic importance. The latest addition I made to that thread was this:
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4958
9/11: Russia Presents Evidence Against US, UK And Israel Co-Conspirators?
By Michael Thomas, May 29, 2014.
Russian 9/11 Data Dump Reveals State Actors: “9/11 was an Anglo-American black operation executed in collusion with Israeli Secret Services.”
That has become my opinion too. However, my studies of the history false flag attacks BEGINS WITH THE FACTS THAT THERE ARE CHRONIC POLITICAL PROBLEMS INHERENT IN THE NATURE OF LIFE. By and large, I tend to find that those deeper levels of "TRUTHS" tend to be deliberately ignored by those who stop at more superficial levels.
I regard it as obvious that, for thousands and thousands of years, civilization has been built on the basic realities written about in the first book on The Art of War, which starts by saying that "success in war is based on deceit," and ends by saying that "spies are the most important soldiers."
The ONLY things that have changed are that progress in science and technology has enabled developing weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance which are trillions of times more powerful and capable. Those developments have reduced ALL those established systems to having become criminally insane. However, the current patterns of public opinions are utterly unable, on level after level after level, of coming to terms with that!
This jive turkey is worthless. Are you serious? This guy is going to try to sell us the FAIRY TALE govt/media LIE? Credibility goes to ZERO!!! My first inkling this guy was nothing was when I realized he didn't "reveal" ANYTHING that we didn't already know if you're merely paying attention.
Actually, Snowden made the panopticon known. A panopticon won't work unless the inmates know they're in one.
What planet are you living on? This man has turned the world upside down. And the underneath, we’ve finally discovered to our benefit, is rotten.
The takeaway from Snowden’s response is that much of the hype concerning 9/11 was patriotic and was intended to whip up the nation for war when it reallly was a failure of the intelligence system.
Snowden is wisely not taking a political stance on 9/11; instead, he speaks to the things he knows about and can back up with his revelations, namely, the intelligence service and how it is directing its efforts in the wrong direction – toward the people. And Snowden was eloquent in describing how the rights of Americans are overlooked and/or trampled in the direction taken by the intelligence system.
It’s obvious that Brian Williams intended to trap Snowden into taking a position that could be termed fanatical or political later by the MSM and the politicians by asking Snowden a loaded question on “how to prevent further attacks from Al Qaeda and other ‘non-traditional enemies.’"
One wonders why Snowden is so accomplished at dealing with this high-stakes interview and side-stepping the questions laid out to backfire on him; it’s called honesty.
9/11 was an inside job/false flag/NOT the "narrative" that Snowden here, or anyone thinks (the gang of Saudi's led by a douche in a cave)....IF...they were they were HELPED...AIDED....
I immediately tune out when some poor slob suggests otherwise....
LOADS of evidence as to why...SHIT LOADS....
Snowden is walking on egg shells - no doubt, and these "remarks" are not worthy - and separate and apart of what he DID do...which is patriotism at it's best...
I end my rant with this....
If Tom Jefferson was alive, which side would he be on?
By wager is Snowdens.....
Hey, Tylers, why not run the story about Edward Snowden admitting to NBC that he worked undercover, overseas, with a false identity as a SHILL for the CIA AND NSA before going to work at BAH? That was only a few days ago. Or his connections with the Omidyar Network, using the Snowden "revelations" (which aren't very revelatory at all in the face of other credible NSA whistleblowers, but I digress,) to set up a Foundation-Funded propaganda mouthpiece while simultaneously profiting from the stupidity of the masses?
I swear, if the people who frequent blogs like this are the "enlightened resistance" and half of you (including the authors of these "esteemed" blogs) can't put two and two together, we're in for a goddamn dystopic nightmare.
there are many folks who have truly dis-engaged from the narrative. . . and are walking their talk.
not many left that post here regularly though. . .
groupthink abides.
As America’s leadership devolves into a cabal of useless idiots – all appointed for their gender, their race, their crony connections, their willingness to sell out the country to lobbyists, and/or their leftist ideologues – the best and the brightest and the most patriotic are hunted down and forced to flee to welcoming nations.
So America gets Obama and Michelle and ObamaCare and Putin gets Edward Snowden – America’s discard.
Some countries emerge; some submerge.
In the meantime… Snowden’s revelations may not be “very revelatory at all in the face of other credible NSA whistleblowers,” as you say, but NSA doesn’t see it that way.
Even though Snowden committed no crime, acting under provisions of the 1989 Whistleblower Protection Act, NSA and the ‘super-bully nation” that hatched it, are out to get him. The author of “Banker Occupation: Waging Financial War on Humanity,” Stephen Lendman, explains just how serious that threat is to Snowden ::
“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself. A lot of people share this sentiment.” – unnamed NSA analyst
Snowden’s “name is cursed every day over here. Most everyone I talk to says he needs to be tried and hung. Forget the trial. Just hang him.” -- unnamed defense contractor official
“I think if we had the chance, we would end it very quickly. Just casually walking on the streets of Moscow, coming back from buying his groceries… Going back to his flat and he is casually poked by a passerby. He thinks nothing of it at the time starts to feel a little woozy and thinks it’s a parasite from the local water. He goes home very innocently and next thing you know he dies in the shower.” -- unnamed Army intelligence officer
“I would love to put a bullet in his head. I do not take pleasure in taking another human life, having to do it in uniform, but he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history.” -- unnamed Pentagon official/former special forces officer
Lendman sums up: The Pentagon “is a killing machine. It’s responsible for millions of lost lives. It routinely commits other high crimes. So do many others infesting Washington. No nation causes more harm to more people globally than America. None are more out-of-control… America is in a class by itself. It’s on a fast track toward full-blown tyranny. Some argue it already arrived.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/beating-up-on-russia/5365643
sigh.
yes yes, I realise you continued on your listing, but the dog whistle was is the first choices - gender & race - when the FACTS are that white heterosexual men make up the majority of the cronies in government, military, businesses that are embedded in the .gov's ASS, and profit handsomely
as they have since the beginning of this whole saga named "USA" - white heterosexual men, most of them God-professing-types too.
from the very beginning of all the treachery that brought us here.
enough with the sub-plots, admit the truths.
*OUCH*
downvoted!!!
those damned black feminazis!!
*shakes fist*
Let’s get down to facts and discuss the two items on which you concentrate – race and gender.
For race, I list the Jewish race as non-white because of the assaults of many Jewish organizations on the white European culture that founded America. So many of these captains of industry, industrialists, media conglomerates, financial organizations and university tycoons are not in control by white religious American males. Their key positions and or ownership are Jewish.
And sticking to the race category, the Attorney General of the United States and the occupants of the White House have put together one of the strongest assaults yet on America’s European white heritage. And with the resulting support of Hollywood and the media, one misplaced comment about the black race can have your career and your future obliterated.
Now, to gender, where homosexual marriage sweeps the country in spite of the landslide votes against it in many states, brought in only because of previously purchased politicians, judges and media. And, now, with general elections approaching, the regular mantra of the “war on women” is introduced again to get as many uninformed, young women as possible to vote Democrat.
And with gender, I’m not through. Only now in the midst of the same-sex marriage tsunami, the new assault on gender begins: transgender. There are so many incredible stories that would frighten the future but I will mention only one – the 70-year-old woman born as a man is so frustrated with her future as a woman in a man’s body that she has asked for and been granted taxpayer money to pay for a sex change operation to remove her “male body.”
It’s Medicare that will pay and that granted permission.
No nation can survive these radical changes.
until "Jews" get a "non-white" category box for you to nod at, they're "white" - and while I agree they hold positions disproportionate to their actual numbers - how long have they been embedded in USHistory? co-evolved.
the current "blackness" in the sacred "white house" is a non-starter argument - it's a distraction, working as intended. folks will LINE UP to vote it out, and the whole circus continues. facts are that he's the FIRST non-white man president in history, no?
blahblah "uniformed young women voters" are more informed than you'd love to believe, and MANY of them would like to keep the right to make health decisions about their own bodies, NOT have the .gov flunkies making the decisions for them, as the Repubes are so keen to gain that control. you want to control the wombs? grow one.
and the "transgender" or "same-sex tsunami" nonsense - a very small percentage of humans desiring to be awarded a status as "equal" - I'm not arguing for or against anything, but I do understand their desire - and yours, which is to deny them based on your white religious god-privileges.
one in approximately 2000 births have ambiguous genitalia, and most of those are ASSIGNED A GENDER via surgery/pharma - because "culture" would otherwise mock/shun/shame those humans born different. therefore, nationstate CULTURE decides what is "men" and "women" and nothing shall interfere with that culture-all necessity - also known as "breeding livestock".
and yet, that which is natural will continue to manifest, irrespective of all the shoving into neat little opposite boxes. the "garden of eden" myths are fading. . .
and you never addressed the decades, nay centuries, of white heterosexual majority men ruling class, and all we are reaping in the present of these historical actions.
The real tragedy is the people living today who miss the miracle of a culture that treasured morality, family, stability, opportunity and justice. The petty emphasis on feminism and political opportunism which you represent has misled an entire generation and if it continues will sink the greatest, most just, most free, most respectful of women, most caring of children, most God-fearing and receptive of immigrants of any civilization that ever existed.
And the Jews who have perpetrated this culture change in America through the 1965 Immigration Act - -- the purpose of which was to deliberately counteract America’s white European ethnicity, limiting immigration to a Third World influx so as, in their words, to make America Safe for their people – aren’t through yet.
Google, co-founded by Larry Page and Sergey Brin and financed by Sun Microsystems co-founder Andy Bechtolsheim --all three Jewish and all three who have operation centers in Israel - is featured in this week’s SJ Mercury not only to “illustrate how far the company has to go to create a truly diverse workforce, but for its willingness to shed light on the issue.”
Writes Michelle Quinn in Google workers predominantly male and white, rare peek shows: “If you care about the diversity of the tech industry, then give Google some credit after it released Wednesday, for the first time, the demographics of its workforce.
“Not so much for the numbers themselves, which illustrate how far the company has to go to create a truly diverse workforce, but for its willingness to shed light on the issue.
Touting the fact that “Google gave me an advance look at the makeup of its workforce before releasing it publicly,” but bemoaning the fact that the data it did release is “sobering (US workforce 61% white),” Michelle went on to say: “That said, the racial and gender makeup of Googlers isn't surprising given what we know about the tech workforce, the issues of bias, the education pipeline and the other factors that shape who gets hired by tech firms.”
The SJ Mercury, which weekly gloats over California’s growing Hispanic population that will soon overcome the US’ predominantly white population, then went on with its racist slurs against white males conplaining that “the statistics are detailed but easy to sum up: Google is still mostly a white male tribe.”
Funny, isn’t it; one can say anything about white males - even to depriving them of work - but anything against blacks, Jews or women is hate speech.
Says Michell: “The company's disclosure is an attempt to shed light on a difficult issue that matters to Google's future, (Nancy Lee, Google's director of people operations) said. ‘A broader range of backgrounds will produce a broader range of innovation.’ It also comes as tech companies face more pressure on the diversity of their workforces; the Rev. Jesse Jackson of the Rainbow PUSH Coalition was recently in Silicon Valley pressing Facebook, eBay and Google to be more forthcoming on the makeup of their workforces.”
As for Jews being white, for these full throated attacks on the European white culture, it doesn’t make sense to say that Jewish families are or would want to be included as whites; they are Semitic as are Arabs.
http://www.mercurynews.com/michelle-quinn/ci_25852582/quinn-google-workers-predominantly-male-and-white-rare
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JR, you reference a Disney-fied version of amrka that never existed for most people, just aspired to as a "dream" - and someone wrote that narrative, and built the Magic Kingdom, and exported the Hollywood movies to advertise these dreams. more new people, more new tax'd folks, more profits building that "dream."
meanwhile, the amrkn military was invading sovereign countries, propping up selected puppetry, to undermine THOSE peoples "dreams" even as you got yours. and guess what? the Rothschilds have been "raising up" the next generation of taxables, ever since Nixon "opened China's door" - they're bursting out all over the world now!
the stories never reported exist, you just don't desire to look for them, preferring to stay in a Norman Rockwell painting - the majority of humans in amrka are not like you, and they have their lives, they're taxed and regulated too - why should they not have similar "rights" that you claim to enjoy?
as to your labels of "petty feminism & political opportunism" I've never entertained "voting" and I am not a "feminist" - neither are "sides" I need to identify with; however, I do have opinions about females being seen as full humans, not merely the sex class as related to Men: default human.
as a female, being understood as fully human with all that entails, is a topic I will continue to argue. I realise it's not a popular space to re-mind folks of this fact, but *shrug*.
With the property that Disney owns and the way their other properties attack the culture and try to corrupt others for money, it seems you’re the one with the Disney view. If you’re looking for a way to attack me, you need to look for another source.
okay, now you're just being petulant.
I'm not "attacking" you, I'm arguing against where you've decided to point the finger of blame for "cultural decline".
you and sooo many of the men-folk here love to fall back on the RushL "feminazi" story, as if "women" are the cause of all your troubles today. . . when in FACT, globally, fewer and fewer Norman Rockwell paintings exist when pointing at the different societies. just because YOU and those white men of similar age had the post WW2 cultivated "nuclear family" with all the toys & accessories, does not mean EVERYONE got a chance at this.
in the lovely glass hothouse, colourful flowers were raised, and all did admire them - but the world turns, global is the latest, and stones are being cast at the greenhouse, the showy flowers are no longer needed by those who plant the seeds.
there are billions of people in the world who look nothing like you, who don't have the same privileges, nor do they share the same beliefs. they've watched your news-real for decades, and many are bored, some angry at being used and excluded. you'll never get the past back, it wasn't real in the first place.
the privileges once used as a carrot are now withheld. those who were lesser privileged have little empathy.
and here comes the big stick.
The nightmare is NOT optional...