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Israel Deploys 3 Nuclear-Armed Subs Off Iran Coast; Iran Warns Of Forceful Response To "Evil Acts"
With tear-gas flying in the streets of Turkey, Ukraine's civil-war raging in the south and east, US drones based in Japan to oversee the South China Sea, and Europe's extremist parties gaining significant traction, today we get one more piece of considerably worrisome geopolitical news that global stock markets must ignore. The Sunday Times reports that Israel is to deploy three submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles in the Persian Gulf that are meant to act as a deterrent, gather intelligence and potentially to land Mossad agents. Iran is not happy, warning that "anyone who wishes to do an evil act in the Persian Gulf will receive a forceful response from us."
Israel is to deploy three submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles in the Persian Gulf, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.
According to the Times report, one submarine had been sent over Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, and in the possession of Syria and Hezbollah, could be used to hit strategic sites within Israel, such as air bases and missile launchers.
Dolphin, Tekuma, and Leviathan, all German-made Dolphin class submarines of the 7th navy Flotilla, have been reported as frequenting the Gulf in the past, however, according to the Sunday Times report, this new deployment is meant to ensure a permanent naval presence near the Iranian coastline.
A flotilla officer told the Times that the deployed submarines were meant to act as a deterrent, gather intelligence and potentially to land Mossad agents.
"We're a solid base for collecting sensitive information, as we can stay for a long time in one place," the officer said.
The flotilla's commander, identified only as "Colonel O," was quoted by the Times as saying that the submarine force was "an underwater assault force. We’re operating deep and far, very far, from our borders."
The submarines could be used if Iran continues its program to produce a nuclear bomb. "The 1,500km range of the submarines’ cruise missiles can reach any target in Iran," a navy officer told the Times.
ran's response to this action was not too diplomatic...
Apparently responding to the reported Israeli activity, an Iranian admiral told the Times: "Anyone who wishes to do an evil act in the Persian Gulf will receive a forceful response from us."
Last July, defense sources reported that an Israeli submarine had sailed the Suez Canal to the Red Sea last month, describing the unusual maneuver as a show of strategic reach in the face of Iran.
We are sure this is nothing to worry about and that investors worldwide should BTFATH with both hands and feet...
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"some poor leftist slacker is blaming you because you have more."
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Yep, that's the meme not only in Obozo's Amerika...
But all over the world now.
Trickle up poverty.
'alpha people' do not protect their own. at all. ever. that's hollywood to brain wash you to get yourself fucked into thinking that batman and the hulk might be there to protect you. you are the stupidest fucking thing i've seen on this blog.
'alpha people' fuck everybody including their mom to get what they think are 'ahead'. of course, they aren't 'ahead' of anybody, even if they just cut somebody off on the road, or in the case of madoff and corzine, they cut them off from their monetary savings.
If the u.s. ever withdrew its support from israel, the jews will make the entire world an unlivable hell.
A select few already have made it one.
intric8
LOL
german subs are they?
a gift from kraut central
more compensation for the hollow hoax
pressured by spiel berg and the simon weasel centre.
cash monies mercs and bmws
now nuke subs to take the goy to hell.
israels not gone rogue they have allways been tony soprano.
someone says forget about it
the other ovey
one calls it protection monies
the other compensation pay
come on children sing wid mee
youve vetter pick a pocket or 2 boyz
youve vetter picker a pocket or 2 boyze
you must just pick a vocket or 3
I think "Kraut Central" would not be German ethnic...
but more like who is "Russian Mafiya" in real...
Jee wiz, get it right: Israel is a white colony in the Middle East (it's not jewish - it's for AshkeNAZI jews first and foremost - all other types are considered lesser and inter-marriage is forbidden). Hitler (funded by zionists) is what made it all possible.
Israel is the 'country' TPTB fund and direct to play the bad cop, and then Germany tells us it's given insanely criminal Israel stealth subs (with nukes) 'because they feel bad for the Holohoax'? Iran now has enemy nuclear missile-equipped stealth subs in their waters, and we are supposed to think the poor German government is a naive victim of Israeli manipulation?! NOT.
"Its a MADHOUSE!!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsxgLjGXGI
Why announce it to the world? This is nothing but striking the match with intimidation.
You mean like announcing every day nearly you want to destroy Israel and are doing your best to acquire nuclear weapons ?
The Israeli's know something is up and they are letting the little pecker head moozies in Iran know that although they can talk a good game, they will get their asses kicked three ways to Sunday if they are foolish enough to put actions to words.
You mean like announcing every day nearly you want to destroy Israel and are doing your best to acquire nuclear weapons ?
Hey, look! A lying cunt!
Fuck off, Hasbara.
Oh look.....a uninformed cunt.
Actually just an actively uninformed cunt....with her head in the sand and her ass in the air getting it pounded by the truth.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/destruction-of-israel-guaranteed-ayatollah-says/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/ahmadinejad-iran-is-determined-t...
You must be looking in a mirror as you make those statements. Please let me know when it actually happens, then I'll say you were right and apologize.
Toodles!
If it actually happens then no one did their job by being vigilent.
But it isn't going to happen. The Iranians know they will get their asses kicked in public and the worst thing in the world for a moozie is humiliation and emasculation by an enemy.....and worse still by the nation of Israel.
So please remind me who Iran has preemptively attacked in the past 200 years? Then make me a list of zionist initiated military conflicts around the world.
Um yeeeaaaaahhhh!
Don't forget the five dancing Iranians arrested on 9/11.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisrael...
israhell is like that little prick who's all mouth when he's got his big brother behind him, in your case the United states, but being the parasites you are you're getting your big brother beat up because of fights you provoke, until he can no longer fight. No doubt you have some dumb sucker lined up to take the beatings instead of the yanks but I doubt the Chinese will be as easily brainwashed as the goyims in America.
Jumbotron, you're the lying cunt.
Ahmadinejad meets NY Rabbis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waIItLileq4
Gee, don't remember this scene on the nightly news.
Many thousands Jews have lived in Iran for generations.
Iran has not started any war in hundreds years.
But have had plenty of dirty done to them.....
"Many thousands Jews have lived in Iran for generations."
Correct, in fact, the second largest population of professing Jews lives in Iran.
"Israel" has tried to bribe them to move to Israel, and they have chosen to stay in Iran.
In fact, Iran has the world's largest population of actual descendants of Jacob (Israel), otherwise known as Sephardic Jews.
"Israel's" population of "Jews" is 95% Ashkenazi.
Seek_Truth? How rich is your avatar and the vile swill that would choke a shyt maggot. You could not if your family's life depended on it source your 95% Ashkenazi. POS you are, no?
falconflight, you are a liar, just like your father, Satan.
Here are the facts = you asked for it:
“I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.” – Romans 11:1
The Christian Apostle Paul (formerly Saul, a convert from Judaism) could correctly state his lineage at that time. Such a statement if made by a so-called “Israeli” could not be proven today, as all records of ancestry have been lost for almost two thousand years.
How many alive today can prove their descendancy from this line? All written records of the tribes of Israel and their lineage and descendancy terminated approximately 70 AD. Based on recent DNA testing, it has been claimed that only a handful of so called Israelis carry the “Cohanim” DNA believed to be a marker of Levite ancestry. But even this is based upon the presumption that the ancient body that became the cornerstone of this DNA test was actually a Levite, and that the DNA marker was from the tribe of Levi, not from a marriage to a gentile that carried this marker. The answer, therefore, is that even if one can claim Israelite ancestry, no one can factually claim which tribe they are descended from. In addition, less than 5% of modern Jews are Sephardim, while the vast majority are Ashkenazim, descendants of Japheth, not Shem. Around 95% of Jews are not semitic! Why, then is anti-semitism brought up for discussion? It is a logical fallacy, a red herring meant to divert the discussion away from the truth.
It has been well documented that only a small percentage of Jews are descended from Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. As Professor of Mediaeval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, A. N. Poliak, in his book Khazaria writes that the facts demand “a new approach, both to the problem of the relations between the Khazar Jewry and other Jewish communities, and to the question of how far we can go in regarding this [Khazar] Jewry as the nucleus of the large Jewish settlement in Eastern Europe…The descendants of this settlement – those who stayed where they were, those who emigrated to the United States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel – constitute now the large majority of world Jewry.” The Khazars he refers to are not descended from Jacob, but rather are a Turkic Empire that converted to Judaism (in 740 A.D.) as their state religion.
These “Ashkenazi Jews” now constitute the vast majority of Jews in the world today. As Arthur Koestler writes in his book, “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Khazar Empire and its Heritage” (available online here: http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/ & here:http://www.fantompowa.info/13th%20Tribe.pdf ): “The Jews of our times fall into two main divisions: Sephardim and Ashkenazim. The Sephardim are descendants of the Jews who since antiquity had lived in Spain (in Hebrew Sepharod) until they were expelled at the end of the fifteenth century and settled in the countries bordering on the Mediterranean, the Balkans, and to a lesser extent in Western Europe. They spoke a Spanish-Hebrew dialect, Ladino, and preserved their own traditions and religious rites. In the 1960s, the number of Sephardim was estimated at 500,000. The Ashkenazim, at the same period, numbered about eleven million…For the sake of piquantry it should be mentioned that the Ashkenaz of the Bible refers to a people living somewhere in the vicinity of Mount Ararat and Armenia. The name occurs in Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth. Ashkenaz is also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) whom the Khazars, according to King Joseph, claimed as their ancestor.” According to the Bible, The sons of Noah were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Shem was the great- great- great- great- great- great- great- great- grandfather of Jacob, and Japheth was the Grandfather of Ashkenaz. So, mathematically speaking, that amounts to 4.5% Sephardim, actual descendants of Jacob, verses 95.5% Ashkenazim, descendants of Gomer, son of Japheth, calling themselves Jews in modern times.
“Mr. Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: “These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom. The Khazars were a non-Semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe.” Mr. Freedman was challenged, unwisely, by a Zionist objector; he invited his challenger to go with him to the Jewish room of the New York Public Library. There they could together examine the Jewish Encyclopedia volume I pp. 1-12, and the published works of Graetz, Dubnow, Friedlander, Raisin and many other noted Jewish historians, which, as well as other non-Jewish authorities, “establish the fact beyond all possible doubt”.’ - Somewhere South of Suez (1950) pp349-350.”
“Many [modern-day Jews] of whom have clamored to go back [to Palestine] never had antecedents [physical ancestors] in that part of the world …. The overwhelming majority of Jews are descendants from the converts of Khazaria and elsewhere who adopted Judaism…. This view of the non-ethnicity of the largest portion of Jewry is sustained by such prominent anthropologists as Ripley, Weissenberg, Hertz, Boas, Pittard, Fishberg, Mead and others. . “ - Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
“Though many Jews are not of Semitic origin, we are the religious, spiritual, and national [but not genetic] descendants of those who first formed the early foundations of Judaism who were Semites”
- Rabbi Cyril A. Stanway in “Viewpoints,” Thursday, November 8, 1990, in the Sun-News (Las Cruces, New Mexico)
“these Eastern European, Yiddish-speaking Jews who form the Zionist group practically in toto [almost entirely], have neither a geographic, historic nor ethnic connection with either the Jews [Israelite Judahites] of the Old Testament or the land known today as Palestine. “ - Jewish Dr. Benjamin H. Freedman, published by the National Economic Council, Inc. as “Council Letter No. 177 (October 15, 1947)
“Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” -1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3
“Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.” – The Jewish Encyclopedia
“In the year 740 A.D. the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were crushed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews.” - The American Peoples Encyclopedia, 1954 edition at 15-292
According to the standard Jewish Encyclopedia 96% of all the Jews known to the world today are descendents of the Khazar tribes of Russia, Eastern Europe and western Mongolia.
In 2012, a new study confirms theses facts- Eran Israel-Elhaik, of Johns Hopkins University, published his research here: http://current.com/13b10kc which positively concludes that the majority of Jews, including those populating Israel, are not Sephardim, but rather, Ashkenazi.
So the majority of Jews are not descended from Jacob, the first Israelite. The minority that might be descended from Jacob are the offspring of marriages to non-Israelite proselytes to Judaism over hundreds of generations. The point is this- the “chosen race” is a myth, because it is not by the blood, or genotype of Jacob that the blessing of God is fulfilled. Nor is it by the Judaic religion, which is no longer practiced as handed down by God through Moses. Nor, of course, is it by the Hebrew language.
So, in whom is God’s promise to Abraham fulfilled?
As the Bible clearly states:“It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” –Romans 9:6-8
Shin Bet, I won't even bother with Mossad. Better have multiple proxies you
Hermaphrodite. :}Threats?
I fear God, not the Synagogue of Satan.
"9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God." - John 1:9-13
It's never to late to accept Christ, and the law of love. Jesus first reached out to the Jews of his day, but they rejected Him.
PS- Every source I quoted is a practicing Jew. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Perhaps you should threaten them, too, eh? Incidentally. IP addresses are traceable by law enforcement, just thought you might want to think about that.
Here's a video for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA
GFY. Satan rules on the Earth.
Yes, Satan does rule the world, currently. But that will change when Jesus Christ returns, which won't be long.
"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." - 2 Corinthians 4:4
Enough with the ancestry lesson. Tell your preople to get their nukes out of iranian waters and stop promoting anti- iranian sentiment in america. You think anti-semitism is bad? At this rate israel will have an entire race of people extirpated from the earth, and for what, regional security?
intric8:
If that reply was directed at me, you obviously have reading comprehension issues.
If not, well, I doubt the pro-"Israel" posters are in the position to "tell their people" anything, as they are either blinded to the truth, and/or they are not in any postion of authority to make any changes.
PS- You do realize that "Anti-semite" is a canard, a red-herring? Arabs and Palestinians are semites, as are 5% of "Jews."
anti-semitism was the term of choice specifically chosen by people of your heritage to over a hundred years ago and remains so down till this very day. It was propogated in the press, utilzed to quell the most remote, arbitrary opposition to the agendas of anyone jewish. The 'canard' of anti-semitism is a strong tool for the media to destroy opposition, reputations and lives of those not aligned with the goals of a jew, or in a broader and more significant sense, the zionist and israeli agenda that has been inflicted upon the world for the past century. The ready cry of anti-semitism is never dispatched for use against people of other races. The 'red herring' you term anti-semitism does not detract nor lead one to arrive at any other meaning than jew hater. Your entire point is a canard, and a potential red herring for the less inclined.
intric8:
"anti-semitism was the term of choice specifically chosen by people of your heritage"
Of my heritage?
May I suggest a remedial reading comprehension class?
Or are you so reading-challenged that you can't even understand that statement?
Evelyn Wood speed reading ain't gonna cut it here, dear. ;)
ah. I'd blame it on the third of a three martini lunch, which would be a sinfully pretentious fib. I confused you with jumbotron. apologies.
>>>israel will have an entire race of people extirpated from the earth
If Israeli policies ultimately lead to the extinction of an entire race of people from the earth, that race won't be the Persians.
How do you explain the Mitzrahim, the Iranian Jewish? They're separate from the Sephardim; and claim to hail from Iran.
Also, your NT references are all bogus. The Xian Gospels weren't written until the 4th Century CE (check out jesusneverexisted.com and the Jesus Birther Movement); and no notable Roman Writer who lived in the 1st CE ever mentioned the Xian Story, Claims, or any rebuttals regarding the Gospel Events.
No History. Sha'ul/Paul is not an eyewitness.
It's Mithrai-Horus-Dionysus-Zeus-Attis redux.
Thousands? Wow...That many over the centuries? Last I heard the last 13 of about 50 were just hanged for you guessed...spying for those dirty, Satanic Synagogue attendees.
Ahmadinejad meets NY Rabbis:
ANNnnnnd....when did you start trusting politicians ? Particularly Muslim politicians.
'The regime in Jerusalem will fade from the pages(could be sands) of history' , was not a threat against
Israel. Only became one after deliberate mistranslation by the chosen ones, and the media
they control.
If you don't speak Farsi (I supect you do, you little MOSSAD fuzball you), Google translate even
get you the correct translation of the actual words spoken.
If I had a long time belicose neighbor armed with nukes, I would certainly want one.
Anyway Iran has had nukes since 1992, bought on the Russian black market.Which is why Israel wants the
US to take them on directly.What they do need,and don't have, is power generation.
"Anyway Iran has had nukes since 1992, bought on the Russian black market."
Logical. Link?
Google;
Gen Yuri Baluyevsky
Dozens of links.
Even heard it admitted by an intel agent on Faux news once, before he was shut up
by the interviewer
media dumb you down much?
better find correct translations...
They're all yiddish to Jumbo!
Nice try, Hasbara. But anyone can do a little digging and discover pretty quickly you really are a lying cunt:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
by reading the whole speech, not mistranslations taken out of context, and see AhMeDinnerJacket was saying Israel would collapse just as the old Shah of Iran's regime, the USSR, and Saddam's regime, collapsed.
Oh dear, your cover here is blown... better get another handle, Hasbara.
Uh huh.....so American politicians......full of shit....don't trust 'em
Muslim politicians....OH YEAH everything they say is THE TRUTH !!!
When Persia, and Saudi Arabia, and Syria, and Egypt and Jordan and even Turkey.....and every other flea bitten, wortheless sand hovel of a Muslim state become functioning democratic Republics and stop killing their own people....stop blowing up other people....stop threatening the state of Israel.....then call me
Otherwise BigJim....shut the fuck up....it's not polite to talk with a mouthful of Ahmedwhatchamacallit's ass in your mouth.
You said Iran had threatened to destroy Israel.
You mean like announcing every day nearly you want to destroy Israel ...
I proved it hadn't. You then go on a rant about how nasty all the Muslim states are... ignoring the fact that 'we' established most of them, and then maintained their dictators in power all these years, I might add.
As for the bullshit about Iran trying to acquire nuclear weapons, you're wrong there, too:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/contrary-to-widespread-claims-the...
So nice try, but ultimately you failed in your propaganda attempts... maybe you'll do better in future if you take Netanhayu's cock out of your mouth?
Hasbara propagandists are doing more harm than good to their depraved Israel these days. It's entertaining watching them shit themselves.
Israel is the true terrorist state, they invented terrorism and use it on their alllies (aka pawns) often.
You act like you are above everyone else with your comments. Tell me one thing. Do you honestly think Israel would have those subs without US taxpayer's always funding the bill. Biggest welfare recipent of the world. Quite frankly, I am sick of it.
As with all things you are sick of....you can't do a damn thing about it.
As far as the biggest welfare recipient....that's a HILARIOUS statement !!!
You need to leave ZH and let the adults have conversation. Telling people we can't do a damn thing about it proves you are a government troll. Do me a favor and tell the NSA to go fuck themselves.
That's up to ZH.....
Hey....NSA...go fuck yourself. There...consider the favor rendered.
He does because the Talmud tells him he's chosen and better than they goy.
I know and its really sad how people act towards others. We are all cannon fodder and on the same side. Yet, some folks will defend the establishment to their death for a few scraps.
I know and its really sad how people act towards others. We are all cannon fodder and on the same side. Yet, some folks will defend the establishment to their death for a few scraps.
Seems to me that with all this anti Israel sentiment....you guys are now the establishment here on ZH.
You can't stand the anti-establishment rhetoric from me.....get the fuck out.
I am not anti anyone. I know foolish comments like blow these motherfucking cocksuckers to pieces will end the world. Do you honestly believe only 1 nuke will fly? Do you honestly believe Iran's allies like Russia will sit idle? It's that type of mindset that will send millions of innocent people to their death. I do not want to see anyone die over religion or a banker game. As a species on this planet, haven't we seen enough innocent blood spilled for a select few?
Russia will not do shit.
Accept sell replacement parts for Iran's destoyed nuclear assets. The Russians will not waste a single Russian life for Persian moozies. There is no love from the Russians for moozies. They use them for pawns in the Cold War 2.0
Nothng more....nothing less.
Yeah, how many Chechens did the Russians murder and buildings destroyed in their two wars of liberation? You know the wars were necessary because Russia was there first and those colonizing Chechens were occupying and oppressing the native Russians?
>>>(the Russians) use them for pawns in the Cold War 2.0
First time I ever up-voted you, I do believe.
The bankers won't allow WW-III , there would not be anybody left to collect from.
what a banker calls money is just a tool to redistribute your wealth to them. Eventually having it all and keeping a few of us peasants around to serve their daily needs.
UUhhhhh...I'm Gentile.
Next fucking stupid assumption
That you're intelligent?
That's a stupid fucking question.....not a fucking stupid assumption.
You're correct on both accounts. I phrased it in the form of a rhetorical question dripping with sarcasm. There was no question, as you're not.
Have a good day pumpkin!
You too cupcake.
And I believe that on your word? Not buying it. Or if you are, you're a useful goy who has more Israeli spin than a dreidel.
I bet your favorite wine is Mogen David.
It's the other MD.....Mad Dog 20/20
Hahaha, so you're a black jew?
I actually gave you a +1 for humor.
White Gentile
Thanks...I had to upvote you back up the page for your French sub with the forward facing propeller.
While I strongly disagree with most of what you say, I'll give you credit for your convictions and good humor.
And his right to say it? ;-)
I think ole Jumbotron held his own pretty well, given a choice between a government that allows prison guards to rape women and a government that doesn't, I think I'll throw in with Jumbo.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iran/27032013
Not to mention their loving treatment of gays......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-executes-two-for-perversion/
http://jihadtimeline.blogspot.com/2013/08/gays-in-islam.html
You don't have to be a jew to be a zionist. Just ask uncle Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZIJdN05QE
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Hey Reich Colonel? I bet you don't even a have job, you fatuous TaxEating troll.
If you're referring to me, you're so far off the mark you may as well stop now. I don't have a job, I retired 4 years ago and have never collected one thin dime from Uncle Sam. I pay my own way, thank you very much!
No according to the David Duke bloggers, you're nothing but a ni99er, uh Jew lover.
Do you have an agenda that you'd like to reveal to us?
No
Next fucking stupid question
'reveal' to us? LOL.
Yes, you could see why Israel is a bit sensitive, imagine if Canada said its only desire in life is to nuke the US, I suspect that would be a bit of a downer on the relationship.
How bout imagining our southern brothers in Mexico?
Has anyone discovered why Israel is a major backer of the Ukrainian nazi movement, and the heros of Maidan? I can see them doing this on orders of Washington, as the USA is running the Right Sector and Bandera gangs. Israel sent fighters to Maidan and now works to help the West Ukrainian army exterminate the Eastern people. What drives these Israeli thugs? Just blood lust?
Jack Burton Has anyone discovered why Israel is a major backer of the Ukrainian nazi movement, and the heros of Maidan? I can see them doing this on orders of Washington, as the USA is running the Right Sector and Bandera gangs. Israel sent fighters to Maidan and now works to help the West Ukrainian army exterminate the Eastern people. What drives these Israeli thugs? Just blood lust?
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From what I have heard, Israel is not so close to Ukraine compared to Russia. Ukrainian Jews are at risk here and the Ukrainians aren't doing much for that population. At best it is a mixed bag.
You want leftist propaganda, visit Globalresearch.ca Though it has many interesting points on corrupt government, it generally has a leftist lean to it. Just as George Washington (contributing author there and here)
It's interesting how so many of the Ukrainian oligarchs are dual Israeli citizens. Makes you wonder where they got their seed-money.
echoes of how many dual-passport holders
in CONgress, embedded for years most of 'em.
steering the Titanic towards the 'berg. . .
of course, one needs to purge the Mind of all patriotic Historical tales
in order to truly let the Truths sink in.
Number of dual citizens in U.S. soaring
John Walker Lindh defense says nothing illegal in actions
Wednesday, May 15, 2002
By Jack Kelly, Post-Gazette National Security Writer
John Walker Lindh is a U.S. citizen captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban. So is Baton Rouge-born Yasser Assam Hamdi, a dual citizen of both the United States and Saudi Arabia.
On Monday, Lindh's defense attorneys asked a U.S. district judge in Alexandria, Va., to dismiss charges against Lindh because it is not a crime for a U.S. citizen to serve in a foreign army and because, they claimed, Lindh fought against the Taliban's internal enemies, the Northern Alliance, not the United States.
Meanwhile, Brooklyn-born Michael Cohen, a citizen of the United States and Israel, is fighting for Israel and just took part in the battle of Jenin as a captain in the Israel Defense Forces.
If someone fights for another country, can his citizenship be revoked? If someone is a citizen of more than one country, where does his allegiance lie?
U.S. policy makers are wondering in the wake of the "U.S. Taliban" incidents and as the number of dual citizens soars due to record levels of immigration and a change in Mexican law.
No one knows for sure how many Americans are also citizens of other lands, because neither the U.S. nor other governments keep track. Estimates range from the equivalent of the population of Wyoming (494,000) to that of Tennessee (5.7 million).
International attitudes toward dual citizenship vary. Some nations forbid it. Some encourage it. Most -- like the United States -- officially deplore it, but tolerate it. In all, 93 nations permit dual citizenship in one form or another.
Becoming a dual citizen
Dual citizenship is a worldwide phenomenon, but it is overwhelmingly an American issue, because most of the world's immigrants come here.
There are three ways for someone to become a citizen of the United States:
If you are born here, you are an American, no matter what the nationality of your parents.
If you are born abroad, but at least one of your parents is an American, you'll be considered an American, too (there are some exceptions).
Immigrants who have been granted permanent resident status may become naturalized citizens. Ordinarily, immigrants have to wait five years after receiving their green card to apply for citizenship. Spouses of U.S. citizens only have to wait three years.
The oath that naturalized citizens take requires them to "absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty." Old passports must be turned in. But nothing prevents a new citizen from going back to his or her country of origin and getting another. Americans who acquired multiple citizenship at birth are under no legal obligation to put America first.
The country in which a dual citizen resides is generally considered to have the greater claim on allegiance, but no international treaties govern dual citizenship. Each country decides how to treat dual citizens.
Dual citizens as officials
Many Americans have become prominent citizens of other countries. Lithuania's president, Valdas Adamkus, is a former EPA official who has formally renounced his U.S. citizenship. The commander of the Lithuanian armed forces is a retired U.S. Army colonel. His inspector general is a retired Marine colonel. Mohamed Sacirbey, who grew up in the United States, didn't set foot in Bosnia until he went there in 1995 to become its foreign minister.
Most American dual citizens are Mexican-Americans. The most prominent is Juan Hernandez, born in Dallas, who is a member of the Cabinet of Mexican President Vicente Fox.
In 1998, Mexico, which had previously discouraged dual citizenship, passed a law declaring that any persons born in Mexico, or born to Mexican nationals wherever they reside, can claim Mexican citizenship even if they are citizens of another country.
A more recent law permits absentee voting in Mexican elections. The upshot of these changes is that millions of Hispanics could be eligible to vote in Mexico's elections, as well as U.S. elections.
Losing citizenship
Voting in a foreign election, serving in a foreign army, or swearing allegiance to a foreign government used to be automatic grounds for losing U.S. citizenship. But a 5-4 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1967 made it all but impossible for someone to lose U.S. citizenship unless he or she wants to give it up.
The case involved a naturalized American citizen originally from Poland, who moved to Israel in 1950. Beys Afroyim tried to get his U.S. passport renewed in 1960, but the State Department turned him down. Afroyim had voted in Israeli elections, which meant he had automatically lost his U.S. citizenship, the department said.
The Supreme Court said the 14th Amendment effectively elevated citizenship to a constitutional right and ruled that it can be lost only if renounced.
Serving in foreign military
Since the Afroyim decision, thousands of Americans have served in foreign militaries -- chiefly the Israel Defense Forces -- and voted in foreign elections.
Americans who serve in the Israel Defense Forces see no conflict between their U.S. and Israeli loyalties.
Michael Cohen has spent roughly half his 37 years in the United States, half in Israel.
"I ran in the Jerusalem marathon this past week," said Cohen, who is an explosive ordnance disposal officer in the IDF reserves. "I carried both an Israeli flag and an American flag. I don't see a conflict between the two. They both stand for democracy, freedom and human rights."
Brian Eglath, 36, who works for the United Jewish Federation in Oakland, is of similar mind. A native of Milwaukee, where his parents still live, Eglath moved to Israel in 1990, and promptly was drafted. He served in the IDF during the Gulf War and said he was both protecting Israel and helping the United States.
"I love America," Eglath said. "When you live abroad, you gain more appreciation for your country of origin."
There is a long tradition of Americans serving in foreign militaries. More than 200 Americans served in the Lafayette Escadrille, a French fighter squadron, in World War I. Hundreds served in the "Eagle" squadrons of the Royal Air Force and the Royal Canadian Air Force before U.S. entry into World War II, or in the "Flying Tigers," which was part of the Chinese military. About 4,500 Americans fought in the Spanish Civil War, mostly in the famed Abraham Lincoln Brigade.
Americans who served in the Lafayette Escadrille, the Eagle Squadrons and the Flying Tigers had their citizenship restored by acts of Congress. Veterans of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade were threatened with loss of citizenship, but the threats were not carried out.
Dual citizenship is hard to police because many nations refuse to relinquish their claim to a dual citizen even if he or she wants to be only American. Britain is one of many nations which considers citizenship irrevocable. The War of 1812 was fought in large part because of a controversy over dual citizenship. British warships were stopping American merchant ships and "impressing" sailors into the Royal Navy. The British still considered them British subjects, even though they had taken an oath of allegiance to the United States.
Those who seek dual citizenship do so chiefly for reasons of convenience or patriotism, said Larry Lebowitz of Cohen & Grigsby, a Pittsburgh law firm that specializes in immigration and trade issues. About half of those who get green cards go on to become U.S. citizens, he said.
Permanent residents who have sought his help in becoming citizens do so chiefly because it is easier to travel with a U.S. passport, and because a U.S. passport provides greater protection in most underdeveloped countries, said Lebowitz, who also teaches immigration law at Pitt.
Lebowitz thinks dual citizenship is, on balance, a good thing. "I think it is in our interest. People who have permanent residence here already have demonstrated a commitment to the United States. Becoming a U.S. citizen deepens that commitment."
The dual citizens least likely to put America first are those who come from Muslim countries and Mexican-Americans.
In response to a survey of newly naturalized citizens in Los Angeles, 90 percent of Muslim immigrants said that if there were a conflict between the United States and their country of origin, they would be inclined to support their country of origin, said John Fonte of the Hudson Institute
Poroshenko from prostitution, weapons, drugs.
His Father also before him. search "Poroshenko prostitution" Is well known what he is in real.
Chocolate King image is promoted for western uselfull idiot MSM watcher types.
Others in Kyiv coup govt are directly connected to Simeon Mogilevich, World's Most Wanted Criminal and Leader of Ukrainian Red Mafiya.
Prostitution, weapons and Drugs, their GDP must be going great guns.
their private gdp yes....victims gdp no
Valtsman is the real name. "Poroshenko" is mother's name.
According to the popular Russian television channel Russia-1, Poroshenko’s father was a Jew named Alexei Valtsman from the Odessa region who in 1956 took on the last name of his wife, Yevgenya Poroshenko.
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/198758/ukraine-presidential-frontrunner-petro-poroshenko/?p=all#ixzz33KrIUFuoRed Mafiya
I think its the thought that the jews are the chosen race. To them, it means chosen by "god" but i think the reality is they are "chosen" to bring on the destruction of the world. That would explain a lot IMO
"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you." - Revelation 3:9
"Israel" and "Jew" are smokescreens meant to lead people astray from their Satanic acts.
Jesus knew, so should you.
Jesus...you sound so embittered. Was your mother a comfort girl at Auschwitz?
falconflight- you are a proven liar. Go read my factual reply to your accusation on the previous page, liar.
Ok, I'm sorry about the quip bout your mother.
Jesus was a Jew. From the line of Judah. Called the Lion of Judah. Will take his rightful place as King of the Jews in Jerusalem in Israel when He comes again.
You twist Christ's own words for your own purpose. Read and learn.
"But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree."
Romans 11:17
As a Gentile....as a Christian....I am NOT culturally or genetically a Jew. However....as a believer in their Messiah....I am considered a "wild olive" branch....even from a seperate, different tree and can still be grafted onto the MAIN olive tree ( Israel) and can be considered a lawful, albeit, adopted child of Abraham with all the promises that God gave Abraham and his children.
Note the passage "SOME" of the people of Israel have been broken off. "SOME" ...not all. The ROOT is still intact. The Promises still vaild. I, as a gentile believer have been grafted onto that root and thus the promises through faith....not by culture or genetics. Neither has National Israel and the Jews as a whole been rejected by God. Also note the word "SHARING"......"sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree" NOT REPLACING........S H A R I N G !!!
You are a classic example of someone who believes in Replacement Theology.....that the Church and Christians inherited all of the promises and blessings of Abraham and the Jews are completely cut off after their denial of Christ as Messiah.
Careful my friend when you twist scripture to fit your own desires.
You seem to like to quote from Revelation.....let me leave you with this......
18I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.…
Revelation 22:18-19
And....
"Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you."
Deuteronomy 4:2
And....
Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:6
Check yourself brother.....you're treading dangerous ground.
Jumbotron.
You are preaching to the choir. I understand those scriptures and do not deny them whatsoever. You are being reactionary, rather than taking all Scripture as a whole, in context. I am not a replacement theologist and never have been, but ALL humans, Jew and Gentile alike, have only one way, one High Priest, Jesus Christ.
My website is not up yet, so I can not provide a link, rather, here is a smidgeon of My Biblical research on the subject:
TWO PROMISES- BOTH CONDITIONAL
By way of review, what is the promise? Abraham was given the promise:
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." -Genesis 12:1-3
THIS is the promise God spoke to Abraham!
As discussed earlier, God would make another promise to Israel. Now, for a moment let’s take a look at that promise:
2 Chronicles 7:19-22 "But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21And though this temple is now so imposing, all who pass by will be appalled and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 22People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their fathers, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them.’”
Deuteronomy 4:27 The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the LORD will drive you.
Deuteronomy 28:64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods--gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.
Leviticus 26:33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
Nehemiah 1:8 "Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations,
Psalm 44:11 You gave us up to be devoured like sheep and have scattered us among the nations.
Psalm 106:27 make their descendants fall among the nations and scatter them throughout the lands.
Isaiah 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities burned with fire; your fields are being stripped by foreigners right before you, laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.
Jeremiah 7:34 I will bring an end to the sounds of joy and gladness and to the voices of bride and bridegroom in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem, for the land will become desolate.
Jeremiah 9:16 I will scatter them among nations that neither they nor their fathers have known, and I will pursue them with the sword until I have destroyed them.
Jeremiah 13:24 I will scatter you like chaff driven by the desert wind.
Jeremiah 15:4 I will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth because of what Manasseh son of Hezekiah king of Judah did in Jerusalem.
Jeremiah 31:10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.'
Ezekiel 5:2 When the days of your siege come to an end, burn a third of the hair with fire inside the city. Take a third and strike it with the sword all around the city. And scatter a third to the wind. For I will pursue them with drawn sword.
Ezekiel 12:15 "They will know that I am the LORD, when I disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries.
Ezekiel 20:23 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the desert that I would disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries,
Ezekiel 22:5 I will disperse you among the nations and scatter you through the countries; and I will put an end to your uncleanness.
Amos 9:4 Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good."
Zechariah 7:14 I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations, where they were strangers. The land was left so desolate behind them that no one could come or go. This is how they made the pleasant land desolate.'" Deuteronomy 4:27 The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the LORD will drive you. Nehemiah 1:8 "Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations, Ezekiel 23:27 So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore. Ezekiel 23:48 "So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. Ezekiel 24:11 Then set the empty pot on the coals till it becomes hot and its copper glows so its impurities may be melted and its deposit burned away. Yes, this, too was a promise- that if Israel forsook their God, their God would do likewise to them- as a nation. This means that as individuals, those who place their faith in God will be saved, just like the gentiles! It is by Faith that all individuals are saved, not by blood or anything else, because Jesus paid in blood as a ransom for all who put faith in Him. So what was the result of Israel’s infidelity towards God?18So the Lord was very angry with Israel and removed them from his presence. Only the tribe of Judah was left, 19and even Judah did not keep the commands of the Lord their God. They followed the practices Israel had introduced. 20Therefore the Lord rejected all the people of Israel; he afflicted them and gave them into the hands of plunderers, until he thrust them from his presence. 21When he tore Israel away from the house of David, they made Jeroboam son of Nebat their king. Jeroboam enticed Israel away from following the Lord and caused them to commit a great sin. 22The Israelites persisted in all the sins of Jeroboam and did not turn away from them 23until the Lord removed them from his presence, as he had warned through all his servants the prophets. So the people of Israel were taken from their homeland into exile in Assyria, and they are still there. – 2 Kings 17:18-23
1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord told him” “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.”
Ezekiel 36:19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions.
Judges 2:14 In his anger against Israel the LORD handed them over to raiders who plundered them. He sold them to their enemies all around, whom they were no longer able to resist.
2 Kings 15:29 In the time of Pekah king of Israel, Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria came and took Ijon, Abel Beth Maacah, Janoah, Kedesh and Hazor. He took Gilead and Galilee, including all the land of Naphtali, and deported the people to Assyria.
Psalm 53:5 There they were, overwhelmed with dread, where there was nothing to dread. God scattered the bones of those who attacked you; you put them to shame, for God despised them.
Jeremiah 15:1 Then the LORD said to me: "Even if Moses and Samuel were to stand before me, my heart would not go out to this people. Send them away from my presence! Let them go!
God fulfilled His conditional promise. Repeatedly, God kept the nation of Israel reminded of their covenant with Him, yet they consistently broke this covenant, like a cheating wife. God first scattered the northern ten tribe kingdom of Israel, using the Assyrians. Shortly thereafter, God used the Babylonians to scatter the southern kingdom, Judah. Years later, their ancestors in Jerusalem under Roman domination pleaded, regarding their role in the execution of the Messiah:
“When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.” –Matthew 27:25
The nation of Israel was no more. First they rejected God as their King, and repeatedly rejected Him as their God. In return God scattered the descendants of Jacob aka Israel. God had already planned a New Covenant to replace the Old Covenant.
There are volumes more I will provide once my website is active later this year.
"The nation of Israel was no more."
Cite the text....Book...Chapter....Verse. Then we'll talk.
"God had already planned a New Covenant to replace the Old Covenant."
Correct.
He replaced Israel with the Church.
Incorrect.
Hey Paul (formerly known as Saul)
Yes Jumbo
What say you.
Well....not to be smart....but read what I wrote in Romans 11
Romans 11New International Version (NIV)
The Remnant of Israel11 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]
9 And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
Ingrafted Branchesa stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Pay VERY....VERY .....close attention to the words I highlight in black and italics.
No one....reading this fully and in context.....can ever ...without deluding oneself and propagating the lie....can ever say that the Church replaced Israel....that the Jew is abandoned forever and the Gentile takes his place amongst God's favored...to the exclusion of the Jew.
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Irrevocable.
Webster's Dictionary:
not possible to revoke : unalterable <an irrevocable decision>
Seek_Truth.....if you believe in Replacement Theology....you believe in a lie. If you spout Replacement Theology teaching you are by default a lier. The Scriptures are clear. They are right there...above...for you to read. Read it from your own Bible....in your own translation. It will say the same.
Again....read the clear, unambiguous text concerning National Israel and the Jews.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
You are correct that Christ enacted a New Covenant. But in that New Covenant, he did not replace HIS PEOPLE....HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD ! The New Covenant was simply this......the old sacrificial system was now null and void. Christ fulfilled that once and for all. Now...all you need to do is have faith in Jesus as Messiah. That is an open invitation to Jew and Gentile.....and all Gentile Nations.....as well as the nation of Israel.
In other words....the Covenant was replaced.....not THE JEWS.
BUT HERE'S THE BONUS. YOU NOW DON'T HAVE TO BE A JEW TO GET THE PROMISES MADE TO ABRAHAM AND HIS CHIDLREN. I, AS A BELIEVING GENTILE CAN RECEIVE THEM AS WELL....I AM NOW GRAFTED INTO NATIONAL ISRAEL. I AM NOW A CITIZEN OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. I AM AN ADOPTED CHILD OF GOD. WHY WOULD I WANT TO REPLACE THE JEW ? I DON"T HAVE TO EXCLUDE ANYONE....AND I GET TO BE INCLUDED !!
The question now becomes.....why....Seek_Truth.....must you feel compelled to exclude the Jew ? Why do you and your Replacement Theology believing ilk feel the need to cut off the Jew forever....AN ACT THAT EVEN GOD HIMSELF DOES NOT DESIRE....and replace them with you ?
In light of the Book...Chapter and VERSES from the apostle Paul I gave to you as proof texts of my point of view.....I ask you again......
.....give us all the Book, Chapter and Verses of the proof texts which proves that the Jews are irrevocably cut off from God's Promises.....the Nation of Israel is null and void in God's or Jesus's eyes....and they have been fully replaced by the Church and Gentiles.
Otherwise.....you're a lier.
"do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you."
JUmbotron,
You are repeating material I already refuted. Take the blinders off and learn to stop the hate.
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.” - Galatians 3:29
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." - Galatians 3:16
Only.Through.Christ.
The whole "chosen people" has been, always was, and alwayts will be, anyone with faith in Him, now go back and study and pray some more as I have instructed you.
And learn that modern day "Israel" and "Jews" are the fulfillment of Revelation 3:9.
PS- Rejected means rejected:
2 Kings 17:18-23
PPS- Learn to think outside the box- 1st step- by not attempting to put people in them, hmmm? Why are you so hung up on the New Covenant replacing the Old Covenant? Would it make you happier to say "fulfilled" rather than "replaced?" Why? Or are we still under the "Old Covenant" too? Have you never read the book of Hebrews? I suggest you read it a couple hundred times, then.
Oh look, giant cut and paste posts from the big story book as supporting fact.
I'm convinced now!
That's why I exhorted Seek_Truth to read his OWN Bible....in a translation of HIS choosing to make sure what I am showing and saying is the truth.
You know very well that ZH is not a place for a multi-day, in fact, multi-year discussion that would be needed for this topic. The question of the Jew has plagued the world since Abraham the Babylonian was called by God to leave his home and family and travel west. Obviously it can't be solved with a little "cut and paste". Nor was what I posted meant to convince you. You seemed very satisfied with your version of the truth....so I"ll let you own it.
However.....as a compact way of providing MUCH BETTER proof that Natioal Israel HAS NOT been abandoned by God....that the Jew has not been ABANDONNED by God and replaced with the Church.....the text of Paul is MUCH CLEARER.....WAY MORE EXPLICIT....than any text Truth_Seek gave from the Old Testament....where the Old Covanent still applied. Which of course makes no sense to cite those.....for the question posed by Replacement Theology is one that occurs AFTER the New Covanent.....certainly not before.
What all of you.....believers in God or not.....do not understand....God's will is both passive and active. Many things that happen in the human realm happen because God sits back and allows us to go do what WE WANT instead of what HE wants. And when it all falls to shit.....then like a good Father....He's there to help manage the aftermath and remind us again....."NOW....WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THIS?" Most of the time....we just flip Him the bird and say "NOTHING! " and we go about screwing things up again.
But make no mistake.....no matter HOW the modern state of Israel came into being....whether or not YOU believe it came into being illigitimately or not.....God has directed the State of Israel to return to the land after nearly 2000 years. No matter if you believe that the majority of Jews in Israel are illigitimate Ashkenazis or not.....does not matter. God has a remnant of Jacob in the land as well.
If you are really a seeker of knoweledge and wisdom.....you have that same opportunity to explore this issue yourself.
If you don't care.....ok. As always....you have free will. You have a choice. You have a choice to walk in knowledge and wisdom. You have a choice to walk in ignorance and self congratualtions.
I also have the right to call you on your ignorance....your loathing of the state of Israel....and you're loathing of the Jew. You have the right to be butt-hurt over that fact. You have the right to go over to Stormfront.org and hang out with the Neo-Nazis and the White Supremacists.
Seig Heil, Colonel Kluck
You can loathe Israel without loathing Jews, Hasbara... just as you could loathe Nazi Germany and not loathe Germans.
I know a lot of Jews and 90% are good people. Generous, smart, talented, educated. I have nothing but admiration for them. And you know what? They don't like Israel either.
The other 10% are weird, twisted lefty racial supremacists (quite a feat, that) who hang Israel's flags on their walls and think it's ok to slaughter anyone who gets in a zionist's way.
If you believe the Good Book you can argue that Sephardim or even Judaists generally have some right to Palestinian lands.. though as the Palestinians are just as 'Semitic' as the Sephardim, it's hard to make a case that it should be done at the latter's expense.
Athiest Ashkenazis? What fucking right do they have of 'return' - they were never there to begin with.
As you're a Good Book kind of guy - or maybe, just pretend to be - maybe this will move you:
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
Frankly, I think The Bible is the usual religious text, full of history, myth, writings of crazies, political and ethnic propaganda, and insight. Good luck working out which is which.
Sure thing Jumboturd. I'm just tired of hearing about jewish oppression while their actions beget the hatred while supressing dissent under the slur of anti-semitism.
Stay ignorant!
Jumby,
SHORT REPLY: You do not understand what Israel is, that is why you are so confused.
LONG REPLY: Your entire post is based on a strawman (replacement theology, jews can't be saved, etc- none of which I said) that I have repeatedly shown to be just that, a strawman. Set the strawman up, knock him down again all you want, i refuse to play that game. I have no time for your logical fallacies.
By quoting Romans chapter 11, and stating your conclusions, however erroneous, you once again show that you lack the insight of the Holy Spirit to discern what Israel is.
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.” - Galatians 3:29
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." - Galatians 3:16
Have you read the above two scriptures? Good, now read them over and over again until their meaning sinks in.
Now, answer this question- did any human, even one, enter into salvation before Christ laid down His life as a ransom sacrifice?
The correct answer, of course, is a resounding NO.
Based on just Galatians 3:16, 29 it is clear that the promise God made to Abraham was based on FAITH alone, not genotype, not flesh, not obeying the Mosaic Law, not making sin sacrifices, etc. THERE WAS, IS AND WILL BE NO SALVATION EXCEPT THROUGH CHRIST.
The whole "chosen people" has been, always was, and always will be, anyone with faith in JESUS CHRIST, (THAT is what ISRAEL is) now go back and study and pray some more as I have instructed you.
Let me repeat it again: ISRAEL IS ANY HUMAN BEING THAT PUTS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. You have confused literal, Biblical Israel with the FULFILLMENT OF THE PROMISE.
Modern day "Israel" and "Jews" are the fulfillment of Revelation 3:9. They ARE NOT THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROMISE. Rejected means rejected: 2 Kings 17:18-23.
That obviously does not EXCLUDE Jews any more than it EXCLUDES Gentiles. Quit reading in what isn’t there. Whether a graft or a natural branch, NONE will be SAVED unless they accept CHRIST and put their FAITH IN HIM, NOTHING ELSE.
In Summary, a true Chistian is Israel, a Jew, and no one else is.
The Israel and Jew that you are hung up on are not LITERAL, they are SPIRITUAL FULFILLMENTS.
In addition, Jumby, it is as clear as day that you don’t have God’s Holy Spirit, and that is why you err so greatly in your interpretation. Meditate on these Scriptures and then tell me you have a clue- you can’t have God’s Holy Spirit, as these Scriptures testify:
Ephesians 5:4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Colossians 3:8-10 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.
Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 15:10-11 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”
Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
Titus 2:12 Training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
Matthew 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,
James 3:10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.
Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Mark 9:47-48 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’
Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Mark 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
Mark 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.
1 John 2:1-29 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him.
Luke 6:45 The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
You have clearly shown where the abundance of your heart lies. Repent, if you actually put faith in Him, and pray for His Holy Spirit, and diligently study His word, and then God will open your eyes to the truth. So far it appears that you have wasted 30 years learning nothing.
"exterminate the Eastern people...." Pravda much?
Wonder if they've painted "Allah is a sodomite!" on the cruise missiles?
Israel with nukes, India and Pakistan with nukes, and I'd bet Japan has some up their sleeve.
Friggin' scary having all these nukes about, whoever has them.
Sooner or later someone is going to deploy one.
I sure to hell hope not; craziness.
Let them have a go, it will make life interesting for the survivors.
I wonder how diesel-powered subs based on Israel's mediterranean coast can operate in the Indian Ocean. Even if Egypt grants them access to the Suez canal, what do they do if the sub suffers an incident?
The only logical answer to this is that the US navy supplies those subs while they are in the Indian Ocean.
"The only logical answer to this is that the US navy supplies those subs while they are in the Indian Ocean."
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Ya think?
(probably already happening)
Aren't they allied with Bahrain, what with the whole natural gas pipeline through Syria plan?
The Saudis...
Tyler, you do realize that story is " 4 Years Old !!!! "
If you would like to know about things that are a little more current, I'll be glad to forward them to you once they are cleared for publication.
Buck
This one is more recent:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/germany-may-sell-2-more-dolphin-subs-to-israel-for-117b-01528/
58% operational deployment as of February 2014.
These subs supposedly behind bombing of Syrian arms depot July 5th, 2013.
Sold for $117B.
And where did the funds come from to pay the Germans for those subs? Don't supose it was American largess, do you?
Gold if the Germans has any Brains, real stuff not the paper.
I'd be quite surprised if any money was US TaxPayer money. I know you ASSume as a matter of Pavlov's dog, much like so many of Adolph's descendants posting, but a tiny bit of research will disclose the quite tight strings for that 'aid.' Like a large majority of that aid has to be spent on the "job creators" making US military hardware.
You seem to assUme quite a lot yourself. For instance, do you assume money is not fungible?
Trying to tie me to Hitler is a non-starter as well. I have posted several times through the years to rebut holocaust deniers. My father was a part of the liberating infantry forces in Dachau, and he returned after the war in 1949 and was stationed in Dachu as a part of the re-construction effort. I lived in Dachau and have been to the ovens.
None of this changes the facts that we as a nation spend huge amounts of money to finance Israel, and not all of it is in direct assistance. This is money that allows for the ilegal expansion into Arab lands by rabid Zionists who give not 2 shits for American ideals or principals. We have committed untold sums and spilled American and Arab blood in defense of Israel in the Middle East. Meanwhile, powerful lobbying efforts corrupt our elected officials to act in ways not beneficial to American long-term interests, in my opinion.
"Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,
the United States has provided Israel $121 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in
bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance,
although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional
support for Israel has resulted in Israel receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for
example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the
United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. In addition, U.S. assistance
earmarked for Israel is generally delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other
recipients normally receive aid in installments, and Israel (as is also the case with Egypt) is
permitted to use cash flow financing for its U.S. arms purchases. In addition to receiving U.S.
State Department-administered foreign assistance, Israel also receives funds from annual defense
appropriations bills for rocket and missile defense programs. Israel pursues some of those
programs jointly with the United States."
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
117 Billion dollars for 3 WWII type submarines? Maybe in inflated dollars 11.7 billion and even that seems quite high.
$117 Billion dollars is more aid than the Israelis have received from the US since its birth; 65 years ago. Actually, almost all US aid was post 1967.
Are you suggestiong they don't need it?
So, can we stop it now?
Were the subs eventually deployed as indicated in the article?
we have a sharp one.
over here.
heh.
Should be good for another 30-40 point rise on the Dow on Monday.
these psycopaths need dealing with now
Indeed... send in Kerry.
where is williambanzai7 when we need him?
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/dr-strangelove-still-580.jpg
I agree and the Israelis are dealing with them.
And why would you send in Kerry ? How can one psychopath deal with another ?
Yeah right! How many wars has Iran started in the last century? How many has Israel started? Der, check your history oh foolish one.
Iran can't start a war. They do the cowardly thing and fund terrorism. They are a nation of women with beards and they know it. As all Middle Eastern nations know the simple fact they are nothing on the world stage but pawns....used as proxies in a larger geo-politcal game for the enrichment of the Gentile powers.
So...they make up a boogy man in Israel and beat their chest and say silly things like WE WILL DESTROY THE ZIONIST STATE.....knowing full well their dead ancestors are calling out from the grave....WE TRIED AND THEY KICKED OUR ASS AND THEY WILL KICK YOURS TOO MY SON !
But their humiliation and shame of this fact overpowers their reason....so each new generation makes the same threats....and will learn the same painful lesson.
But that's the definition of insanity.....doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I wish people would stop saying 'Woman with Beards' , what with the recent result of the Euro vision song contest this is starting to mess with my head.
LOL !!!!
So THIS is what Ahmadinejad has been up to since leaving office.
https://d28fo5khwixgu6.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Co...
LOL? are you 15 year girl from last decade?
sorrie...stupid Q...you post like one
You post like an illiterate Russian
in your ignorance you assume too much...
Russians are best educated middle class in the world.
Worlds best physicists, programmers and other..
see top coder rankings...Russian Petr at top and over half of top 30 are Russian guys.
all this is obviously past your comprehension level..
sorrie...
"Worlds best physicists, programmers and other.."
I know. Too bad they're mostly driving cabs and working odd jobs after the Soviet collapse.
Or are paid advisors to terrorist organizations.
Or are some of the best virus coders in the world.
Or got the fuck out and immigrated to other countries to make a living.....including America.
The US is racing the old Soviet Union to the bottom.
Once the dollar collapses, Americans will want to emmigrate to Russia for those sweet sweet taxi driver jobs.
da Dmitry Orlov "Reinventing Coolapse" explores the possibilities.
He knows both countries and tells that US is very poorly equipped to handle collapse if you compare to where Soviet was prior to end and collapse of many functions...
Even today 92% of Potatoe consumed by Russians are grown on family plots and "kitchen gardens"
Russians have learned from history and still are many times more self sufficient...
Well...I can agree with you on that. America is a land EMBARRISINGLY RICH in pampered, entertained wusses.
None I know fit your descriptions.
Petr Mitrichev works for Google in Moscow...
Other of the top guys do contract work for US...oops! forgot those sanctions!
Skilled Russians flow is actually back to Russia currently...I am talking real ethnic Russians
American graduates finding themselves more in cabs than Russians now...or no job at all
Russian unemployment is lower, less below poverty rate and no free stuff army...
What is your exact problem with Russia? Forgot?
Is it important to you?
Better worry about your own country...
My problem with Russia
They always look to a strong man to worship and lead them either to glory or back to it.
And for the Russians so called economic miracle......you traded Marxism for a mish-mash of Oligarchism and Fascism.
That shit will fail faster than Communism.
As far as worrying about my country.....well....I happened to be born in America by chance. Nothing more. Ain't my country. Couldn't give a shit about it. It will fail or succeed on its own and there is nothing I can do about that. I'm not going to war for it....not going to die for it. One of YOU stupid fucks comes over here and messes with us and you finally get to me.....well...that's a different matter. But you're not...so I'm not going to worry with it.
Leave me alone....I leave you alone. You spout bullshit....I'm gonna call you on it. Other than that....live and let live.
So many of their permanently brain washed, enfeebled denizens actually wax nostalgic for ole Uncle Joe. They're worst than the neo nazis.
Isn't that the truth.
How come their citizens outside of the cities still live like Tsarist subjects in the 19th Century? Actually, under the Tsars, their freedoms were considerably greater than under the monstrous Soviet Regime, you know the Ideology that is on the permanent watch for neo nazis, revanchists, counter revolutionaries and subversives promoting the evil of seeking profit.
I thought Israel was permanently at war over the Palestinians land and have been for 50 years?
Ummm, please learn me on which wars the Israelis started, and undoubtedly without provocation. Was it by chance the Yom Kippur War...the attack in the middle of the night, on the Christmas, Easter, and 4th of July all wrapped in one for the Jewish People by Egypt and Syria? Please display all of your learned scholasticship.
SSHHHHhhhh.....don't mention the 6 Day War and the Yom Kippur War....both of which found the Jewish State nearly surrounded by Arab and Muslims and they destroyed them all.
Which is why those states employ such bellicose agitprop all the time to keep their sheeple from realizing that even ALL the Muslim states combined can't handle Israel.
I mean seriously.......completely surrounded by hostile forces.....and 6 days later the ones who made it out alive are cowering in their fetid little hovels back home and their dead are being buried by Israelis in the desert and their tanks and air forces are rusting, burned out hulks for all to see.
I'm disappointed with the response. Nary a word, just monkey brained pavlov-dog trained ignats. Sneering at cha, bunch of weak intellects that would be more at home at Yahoo or USA Today or HuffPuffPost. GTFO
We're all so fucked.
You're new here....right ?
No, I yield to your senior authority.