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Is A Russia-Japan Natural Gas Pipeline Next?
Submitted by Ankit Panda of The Diplomat,
Following Russia’s historic $400 billion natural gas supply deal with China last week, Japanese lawmakers are looking to revive efforts to tap into Russian natural gas supplies themselves. A Bloomberg report shows that a group of 33 lawmakers in Japan are backing a 1,350 kilometer pipeline that would run between Russia’s Sakhalin Island and Japan’s Ibaraki prefecture, just northeast of Tokyo. The project is estimated to cost $5.9 billion and could yield as much as 20 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year (equivalent to 15 million metric tons of liquefied natural gas). The pipeline would make up 17 percent of Japan’s imports.
The Japanese lawmakers backing the proposal belong mostly to the ruling Liberal Democratic Party and the New Komeito Party. The renewed interest in the pipeline is primarily due to Japan’s own energy shortages following the shutdown of all of Japan’s 48 nuclear reactors following the March 11, 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami, which caused a triple meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. The Democratic Party of Japan government at the time decided to shut down Japan’s nuclear plants and begin moving the country away from a reliance on nuclear power following a public backlash after the Fukushima crisis.
Based on current plans, natural gas originating on Russia’s Sakhalin Island would be transported via the Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok pipeline where it will be processed into liquefied natural gas for export to Japan. Russia has considered additional undersea and land-based pipelines to deliver gas to China, North Korea, and South Korea in the region, including one pipeline that would deliver gas to South Korea via North Korea.
For Russia, a pipeline deal with Japan would be particularly compelling. Japan is the world’s largest LNG importer, having purchased 87.49 million metric tons of LNG in 2013 according to the Japanese finance ministry. Despite being the largest importer worldwide and its proximity to Russia, Japan only imported 9.8 percent of its LNG from Russia. The proposed pipeline would see that number grow substantially, in part because Japan could import natural gas instead of LNG. LNG is costlier to transport. Naokazu Takemoto, the Japanese parliamentarian heading the group in favor of the pipeline, estimates that “the price of natural gas will be two times lower than the export of liquefied natural gas.” Politically, given Russia’s current isolation with the West over its actions in Ukraine, a pipeline deal would also gain Vladimir Putin some vitally needed political currency. Indeed, Russia’s recent deal with China was likely motivated by the Kremlin’s political concerns — China seems to have won a deal at a very favorable price.
If Japan and Russia formally begin negotiations for a pipeline, Tokyo will likely be able to win a favorable price as well. As Europe tries to reduce its dependence on Russia’s natural gas, Russia will lose a certain amount of leverage in negotiations. The group of Japanese lawmakers will propose the deal to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who will study the feasibility of the deal in June. It is likely that Abe will propose the deal to Vladimir Putin when he visits Tokyo later this year.
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Sun Tzu
really why is it when i see diplomat , i hang up....
I diplomat is a person who tells you to go to hell in a way that makes you look forward to the trip.
japan: I have no money of any lasting value to pay for your gas
russia: is ok
japan: I have no gold, either
russia: is ok
japan: I have no manufacturing base to offer as collateral
russia: really. it's fine
japan: all I have is a bunch of old people who don't pay me taxes any more
russia: not a problem
japan: wow. you're the greatest
russia: we will be needing somewhere to dump our nuclear waste, of course
japan: not a problem
russia: no one will notice
is OK
If Japan makes that deal - either there will be another nuke reactor 'accident' or -
Godzilla will emerge from the Pacific and attack Tokyo
The anglo-american banksters would Not be pleased . . . and they do have their methods to pressure people.
Just saying. ;)
Of course....we all know from history what happens when bankers go to war......
......we all go to war.
japan: I have no manufacturing base to offer as collateral
As manufacturing is at 19% of GDP on this list, they're doing much better than other 'developed' countries...Including Russia
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.ZS?order=wbapi_data_valu...
ok, so maybe I exaggerate a little bit
hugs,
japan
Russia gdp by sector industy: 37.6% (2012)
Japan is worlds biggest creditor country. :-)
They own a large chunck of the worlds liabilities.
Probably THE country that can pull the plug on the USA.
I believe there are a few who could pull the plug - but if they try, they underestimate the yellin's ability to print. It is really a catch 22.
They could torpedo the USD, but they would be heavily damaged as well. There is that whole thing about being the first one through the exit though....
Because you should hangup. The Diplomat and Oilprice.com consistently have horrible articles posted here. I would say the absolute worst of ZH, except for that humiliating error last night about US gasoline consumption.
Undersea pipelines . . . are why LNG carriers were invented. They are not easy.
And what the hell is this:
"China seems to have won a deal at a very favorable price"
No one has any idea what the terms of the deal were beyond GAZPROM and the Chinese and they aren't talking. This writer has no idea what the terms were.
How do you make an undersea natural gas pipeline resistant to earthquakes? Or just make one-way valves every 100 feet and make it so the sections snap off easily?
Japan really has a terrible geology/geography situation.
What a dumb fucking idea when everybody already knows that all the gas available for transmission is going to be sent by the USofA to France in exchange for caviar, champagne, fois gras and fluer de lis wallpaper for Nazipelousy's lunch and bathroom, FFS
I was just about to post a big argument about this, but you nailed it. The weakest part of ZH is the oil market intelligence which is ironically what often draws the most posts. Oilprice.com is perhaps the worst oil site on the internet. I would strongly suggest use Rigzone, Upstream online... fuck, go hire an oil trader to ghost write the articles if necessary. Market misinformation only drags the site down and discredits the stellar bench trading equity & bond market work ZH does. my 5 cps.
1. Anyone close to the situation knows JapEx and the Japanese trading houses have been treated like absolute dogshit by the Russian Oligarchs and Putin since 2004. Call up a trade shop, you can count on 1 hand how many JV's a Japanese shop has with the Russians and on that same hand the number of realtionships they "enjoy".
2. Putin has made Russian agression over the north isles and drumming up nostalga for the Russio-Sino war a key point in his upgrade of the Russian Sino fleet. Abe has made nationalism and a unified front against Russian / Chinese claims over their territory something he has vowed to stand against. Figure that one out, you don't need a CNN pundit for this one.
3. Russia has taken the side against the Japanese and Viet/Korean's on every issue in the last 7 years on everything from rare metal imports to Pacific trade pacts for lower tariffs. Korea and India have better relations with Rosneft than Nippon Oil at this stage, which is both amusing and sad for Igor's pit crew.
4. Japan's past experiences with Ruble trade. Go ahead, go google it while we wait. Hint: You have to be very very stupid to go ask a Japanese trade house for Russian trade credit. Also, Japan has gone on the record a few times pre-Fukishima to complain about the unfair premiums they paid on UO from Russia vs. the world spot.
5. Crash is Optimistic is correct: Anyone who speaks of a pipeline through the North China sea has zero idea what they are speaking about.
While you do make some good point I think you have to admit that the situation is changing. 1) As far as I know Abe went to the Sochi Olympics( while a lot the "US allies" decided to boycott it). This could just be a simply coincidence , but as you know in politics there is no coincidence. 2) Recently "a UN commission recognized Russia’s claim to 52,000 square kilometers of territory in the Sea of Okhotsk." As I understand it this was done, because Japan relinquished its claims. While they do still have a dispute about some islands this is a huge deal for Russia's arctic ambitions as well as the territory itself which is rich in oil and gas. 3) At the end of the day it all comes down to the price and so far Japan from what I know is paying through the nose.
Perhaps Japan relinquished its claim on the understanding they'd get cheap gas from Russia in return? After all.. territory isn't that useful to politicians ruling over a dwindling population.
Exactly what I was thinking...they certainly wouldn't do it out of the goodness of their heart.
Not to mention this kind of arrangement could get China miffed, something they would more than likely be unwilling to risk.
I keep hearing the estimates from $350-$390 that is the average price for Europe, but my guess is this is only a small part of the actual deal which probably has geopolitical implications(gas, oil, technology-joint airplane development, military-sale of the s-400/sale of the su-35, possible de dollarization agreement).
Was giving this article a 4 star then realize this is CIA mouth piece something else tells me not to trust them. 1 star.
Sun who?
Son Zoo.
Shih Tzu
Shih Tzu feces?
Why would Japan spend that kind of money to build a gas pipeline when all they have to do is build a geothermal plant at Fukushima? Rumor has it that for the next billion years or so there's gonna be plenty of 'thermal activity' around there.
They'll need the thermal plant to power the frozen wall, so that won't provide power for anything else.
Russia is moving away from the west. They know they need to invest in hard assets, as does Asia. Those of us who are ahead of the game are already there. Those who choose to ignore will simply be wiped out.
Keep Stacking.
Stack On
Sun Tzu was Chine, not Jap
what curency will the deal be brokered in? Dollars, Rubles, yen?
Russia has raw resources and needs industrial goods and Japan has industrial capacity and high quality standards. The means of exchange should be a relatively minor issue.
Unless of course, either country believes they need Wall Street to slice and dice some paper mirage set in the infinite supply of USD's.
Unless those japs release any claim toward Russia's islands I doubt there will be any deal, remember Russians consider japan to be American's poodle.
Will they pay in $US ;)
Spirited Away~Always With Me Piano Music Box
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPCku-t_H9A (3:50)
Only payment accpeted, Gold and Silver. Fuck the USD
[Itsumo Nando Demo] Relaxing Piano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GCz7MbBM_U (4:45)
The sign over the bar says, "Feel free to ask for credit. Our way of saying no is very polite." Japan can't afford Russian prices.
As long as there's a carry trade - and a Fed to bail out its allies - Japan can afford anything.
I'm a huge admirer of Kyle Bass, but I was astonished when he was saying the BoJ would lose control of JGBs. Now he's calling for a Yen currency crises. No, mate, the world has changed. The banksters aren't going to allow one of their major allies to go down because it would pull everyone down. The CB's will just keep buying each others' currencies, and sovereigns' debt, to ensure the markets are 'stable' (ie, the plunder can continue unabated).
The more I reflect on this shenanigans, the more I think the only place 'we the people' can frontrun this is by buying PMs. Perversely, I think silver might be better in this regard because I think gold's ever-increasing stock:flow makes it easier to manipulate for a longer period. And, of course, Western Au stackers are relying on the East to continue to stack; if Russia or China go down or get captured by the NWO, the banksters may get their hands on a great deal more phyzz, which they'll leverage up 20:1 to beat the market over the head with.
Whereas... silver is being used up, and if the various pundits are correct, there should be a genuine physical supply crunch... assuming industrial usage doesn't decline. So it depends on your timescales. And if graphene becomes cheap, a lot of silver demand may go out the window.
Wheee! This investing stuff is easy*!
*not.
Russia can provide new reactors to.
I'm told their graphite-moderated design is going cheap at the moment.
There you go, a greenie from me...
This is a pipe dream
japan can produce the energy from Clathrate fields at about 1/10 cheaper .
If that were true, they would not be the highest importer of Nat Gas in the world.
A Few Magnet Motors
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=976
“Engineers of Hitachi Magnetics Corp. of California have stated that a motor-generator run solely by magnets is feasible and logical but the politics of the matter make it impossible for them to pursue developing a magnet motor or any device that would compete with the energy cartels.”
Someone must remind them to collect their Nobel price....
Hitachi Magnetics Corp != Hitachi, Ltd. (TYO:6501)
It's funny how many perpetual motion... sorry, 'over unity'... motors there are, but no one seems to be able to replicate them. I see lots of experiments with magnets, but people seem to forget magnets take a lot of energy to magnetise in the first place. Does the energy these gizmos produce exceed the amount that went into them in the first place?
I'm also surprised that if there really is 'free energy' to be harvested, why hasn't a living organism evolved to do so?
The Free Shit Army is everywhere.
Does using brine shrimp to harvest algae for biofuel production count?
Et tu, Japan?
Sorry to burst all the collapse-a-tarians bubbles, but $400 billion over 30 years isn't all that big a deal.
That's the floor, there's a clause which provides for a major increase in the deal. Also, this deal is more about shutting out other players and creating a trading block as it is about total volume.
Now Russia can gather up all their former states with promises of wealth and prosperity if they join the Eurasian trading union. We will now watch the fall of the EU and the rise of Eurasia.
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Why not build a hyperloop from San Francisco to Tokyo?
Now if one or more of these broke countries could actually pay for this project.
And if only there was a insurance company who could afford the payout to it's victims when the loop collapsed.
If I were younger I'd be learning Russian. That place is going to be booming this century.
It appears my decision to take Russian in order to court Anna Kournikova might pay off.
August/1945 isn't that far back in history to forget so easily? The main reason Truman dropped the bombs on Japan were twofold: to save american lives from a ground invasion and to get the Japanese to sign a unconditional surrender (finally negotiated in 1951?).
The Potsdam Declaration sealed Japan's fate with ~1.5million Soviet troops on the Manchurian border of China as agreed upon by Stalin but never signed. Truman knew that the Japanese wouldn't surrender even with the A-Bombs which Japan kept quiet from the rest of the country. The Japanese still had more than a million readily-trained combat troops still available for recall to the mainland to fight to the death!
There was a coup d'`etat on the Imperial Palace to overthrow Hirohito (living diety) but it failed ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%c5%abj%c5%8d_Incident ) called the Kyujo Incident. Hirihito pleaded with his generals to signed the unconditional surrender-- Why? Hirohito realized the Soviets would be in Japan before american troops and the Russians would show no mercy. Truman also bluffed the Japanese with more leaflerts stating the USA would begin dropping more A-bombs (Truman knowing that all that was available was one more with a six month window to make approx a half dozen more at best). The Japanese didn't want to risk extending the war when the next drop of Abombs would be directly over Tokyo and Kyoto!
They reluctantly signed. Amazing!!!
Now getting back to Russian-Chinese relations? Russo-Sino Freindship Treaties are many and Mao spoke of Stalins many effete niggardliness , and condescending patrimony regarding the backwardation of the Chinese?!?
Lastly, Japan has a autarky problem to the Nth degree, and since their evasions of Manchukuo (1931), and subsequent declaration of war in 1937 beginning in Shanghai's Int'l Zone and metastasizing into Nanking ending ~nine years later on V-J Day-- the destructive brutal crimes committed on the Chinese by the Japanese superior steel-heart cold-blooded soldiers... their Air/Naval arsenal weaponry, will never... ever, be forgiven!
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War http://www.nanking-massacre.com/RAPE_OF_NANKING_OR_NANJING_MASSACRE_1937.html http://www.globalsecurity.org//military/world/war/ww2/2nd-sino-japanese.htm
Note: ( http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/32424 ) In 1945 the USA had the A-bomb-- 1949 Russia had the A-bomb/ shortly after the Sputnik(1957)-- UK (1952), France (1960), CHINA 1964? No more need for Russia... and now fast forward, half a century with China now calling the shots throughout Eurasia. And... if you think the Chinese will agree with this deal-with-the devil, your mistakened. The USA has plenty of LNG/ Qatar begging the world for buyers. Forget Iran helping Japan.. and Taiwan??? Whoa is Formosa and america's Chiang Kai-shek are long lost allies used up in 1971 when tossed out of the UN for China!
There's moar, but you get the message? I hope...
jmo
thankyou Tyler
+1 for "niggardliness". First time I hear that word. (English isn't my first language.)
Misused, however, in just one of several solecisms presented by Earle. "Evasion of Manchuria"???
typo's how cute... but as for homonyns/ graphs/ phones v. malapropism?
effete- worn out/ exhausted
niggardliness- stingy/ petty
patrimony- an inherent legacy
condescending- patronizing
'Stalin was tried and tired, period! long before 1938-39 (WWII). The impact to follow on Stalingrad was devastaing! {Note: The Japanese invasion of Shanghai in 1937 was called by the Int'l Community the *German War' for seven weeks! Chiang Kai-shek had more Harvard grads in his Nationalistic (KMT/ GMD) Party than FDR had in his entire administration-- but, the German's were in China to keep their game up, and stay combat ready} Now as history tells us ,... decades later Stalin was playing the CCP & KMT against each other. His main man was Mao,... a communist! If the Chinese were to consolidate and defeat the Japanese in Manchuria & Inner/ Outer Mongolia it would weaken his defences against Germany.
So there we have the 'Evasion of Manchuria'?
Now, let us move into the solescim matter?
Stalin offered Mao inferior artillary and munitions while charging full price. Any deal, whether it was for financial assistance or military aid was always advantageous to the Russian`Stalin!
#1 Stalin was responsible for the Wang Ming line (a Moscow trained group in Yanan/ CCP stronghold) which ended up destroying ~90% of the communist (underground) resistance bases.
#2 And,in the Anti-Japanese War... Stalin with his diabolical twisted-brain with the recent dabacle in Yanan regarding 'Wang Ming', wanted collaboration between the GMD and CCP? What this meant to Mao, was that Stalin's wanted the communist party to give up its own 'Armed Forces' and basically capitulate to the Russian Communist to run things. Trust me, says Stalin!?!
#3 The 'Irony and Balls of Joseph Stalin as a Negotiator', Churchill, and FDR at the Yalta Conference handed the whole of China to Chiang Kai-shek, while thumbing his nose to Mao and the Communist Movement. WOW!!!
Stalin was a worn (effete) out... cheap (niggardlines)fuck! His legacy(patrimony) regarding his (any and all) subordinates (condescending) was known world wide. He killed at random anyone that was a possible threat to his 'Iron Fist'. Good officers found themselves on the front line that questioned his authority. He was an incarnate 'Hitler',himself!
the end-- Optimusprime you, 'Giant Douche/Turd Bag'd Sandwich'!!!
japan when joining forces with men from the russian steppe
beware zion
and mossad nuclear security bsp magna and the yid class of nukem high.
Let the demons of the night joust with the devil in a never ending battle of futility.
excellent ;->
The pipeline will be like the string on a puppet. If Japan doesn't dance exactly the way Russia wants, the gas will stop flowing on some cold, dark night. Putin doesn't do anything without a very good reason.
The world will get off its dollar dependency. It will happen in our lifetime. Major repricing of currencies on the way.
How much 'lifetime' we have may be intimately liked to the world's dollar dependency.
bullish!
Its entirely doubtful Japan will get as good a deal as China simply because Japan is far more needy. China has needs but they're also sitting on the largest shale deposits in the world. Only a matter of time before they frack up the country US style. Japan has virtually no natural resources and stupidly shut down all their nuclear reactors paying no matter to the fact the Fukushima plant design was infinitely inferior when compared to every other nuclear plant in Japan.
Treaty of Portsmouth...maybe the Russians are laughing now.
ussa is the saudi arabia of coal, has immense petro assets and needs jobs...... but with a moron at the helm the economy is grounded... why is the market going UP.... aside from QE .... it is reflective of a Nov GOP taking the senate and 2016 winning the WH and getting back to BUSINESS... failing whcih the bottom falls out..
Japan will only deal with Russia on this matter while discussing "the islands" issue. Japan will even go against US will if Putin gives them islands back (for money of course). "The Northern Islands" is Japans national pride issue and the goverment, which can make a deal with Russians will have tremendious political leverage going forward.
Putin is ready to discuss "The Islands".
And it should bypass Chevron Texaco, Shell BP ?
It will be a war there.
I do not believe Japan will get a favorable price just because China has. China/Japan are entirely different creatures on the global sphere.
Russia with China has the critical mass, Japan can be viewed as a second tier client, not a strategic client.
If your strategy is to diminish the US in the Pacific then Japan is your top client.
Not all that hard to rustle up the natives as it is...Okinawa.