During Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to China last week, China and Russia signed a huge natural gas deal that is worth about $400 billion. The natural gas deal is a win-win for China and Russia, as China secures a long-term (30 years) provision of natural gas from Russia and Russia can reduce its dependence on the European markets as well as strengthen Russia’s position against Western sanctions. In the meantime, China and Russia conducted a joint naval drill in East China Sea, sending a deterrence message to Japan and the U.S. This also indicates that Russia is now moving closer to China’s side with regard to the territorial disputes between China and Japan. Furthermore, China and Russia last week vetoed a draft UN resolution to send Syria to the International Criminal Court for war crimes. China and Russia had vetoed three previous UNSC resolutions condemning Syria.
In the joint statement issued by China and Russia, the main message is that China-Russia relations have reached a new stage of comprehensive strategic partnership and this will help increase both countries’ international status and influence, thus contributing to a more just international order. Of particular importance is the agreement that China and Russia will deepen cooperation under the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building in Asia (CICA), a new security framework in Asia-Pacific that conveniently excludes the U.S. and Japan.
The question that everybody now is asking is this: Why this new development in China-Russia relations? Obviously, the main trigger is the recent Ukraine crisis that has seriously damaged Russia-West relations, thereby pushing Russia closer to China. However, there is also a larger strategic reason. That is, there are mutual strategic needs as both China and Russia want to create a multipolar world that is not dominated by the U.S., particularly as China faces threats from the US-led alliance in Asia. As previously pointed out by Zachary Keck, China’s chance of winning maritime disputes with Japan partly depends on maintaining a good relationship with Russia. From Russia’s perspective, the NATO expansion is a serious threat to Russia’s national security and as such Russia has to fight back. Russia’s current and future capabilities are limited, however, and it desperately needs a reliable strategic partner, which happens to be China.
A more fundamental question, however, is: are China and Russia moving toward to a formal alliance? Some believe (here and here) that a new China-Russia alliance is now emerging and this will eventually lead to a multi-polar world order. Others disagree (here and here) by pointing to problems in China-Russia relations such as historical mistrust, the lack of a common threat, and conflicting interests in Central Asia. Interestingly, within China there have been some domestic debates (here, here, and here) about whether China should form an alliance with Russia.
A prominent proponent for a China-Russia alliance is Professor Yan Xuetong from Qinghua University. Yan has been advocating for a China-Russia alliance for some years. According to Yan, the most important factor determining whether China and Russia should form an alliance is whether the two countries have shared strategic interests and how long such shared strategic interests can last. He first argues that currently neither China nor Russia could become a member of the Western bloc led by the U.S. because other allies of the U.S. would feel threatened by China and Russia. On the one hand, the West would never trust Russia, thus Russia has no better alternative to siding with China. On the other hand, China’s number two position in the world means that China will not be supported by the U.S. with regard to most international affairs issues. Moreover, a declining U.S. will choose an offshore balancing strategy by relying on its allies in Europe and Asia, thereby increasing pressures for China and Russia. Such increasing pressures pose common threats to China and Russia. Thus, a China-Russia alliance would benefit both countries in the next 10 to 20 years. Yan also refutes the argument that a China-Russia alliance against the U.S. would lead to another cold war.
Opponents of a China-Russia alliance, however, point out that there could be potentially high costs of such an alliance due to common problems such as fears of abandonment and entrapment. China could be dragged into an unnecessary war by Russia. Also, Russia is not that interested in this alliance idea as Russia is unwilling to be China’s junior partner in the relationship. Besides, Russia wants to maintain good relations with all Asian states and thus will not side with China when it comes to territorial disputes between China and Japan. For all these reasons, a China-Russia alliance is unrealistic and a strategic partnership is more flexible and better for China.
Thus, it seems that in the near future a formal alliance between China and Russia will not happen due to a variety of reasons. Unless the U.S. militarily threatens both China and Russia at the same time, a formal alliance will not occur. However, the U.S. should be careful not to make another strategic mistake that would only facilitate a formal China-Russia alliance.
Vlad...please hold Obamas feet to the fire. If you are reading this...we need a real leader. And Obama...if you are reading this....FUCK YOU!
Axis
Please, 400 billions/30 years= small change. This alliance is nonsensical and will not last. the moment the Chinese decide they need more living space and resources, they will cross the border into Russia just like 1960's and the shooting starts again.
This has been in the works for a while. It would have happened one way or the other. When the US took the big dump on the USD starting in 2008 - this opportunity became far more feasible.
Until US is toasted then they will fight with each other.
China saw the writing on the wall long ago...
For russia it seems they wanted to "playboy" into the current system but was kicked to the curb.
Now they are prolly gonna give the EU/US the "Big F You now we're gonna team up with others and help burn this bitch down"...
They are being pushed into it. The "terrorist" threat is no longer believed by the masses, so the MIC needs a new "enemy" in order to continue plundering the taxpayers. So push China and Russia into each other's arms. Instant boogeyman.
The alliance will probably just become stronger and stronger. They have a common enemy (the US) and want to develop their respective countries. Besides, Germany has huge interests in Russia and China as well. So the Germans are also into strategic alliances with these two countries. Then you have India which now has a very smart and dedicated leader. Don't have the weird fantasy it's only US, US, US in this world.
I think China knows very well that if they ever decided to go up North the Russians would either nuke them, or leave the north full of chemical and nuclear waste...it would be foolish for any great power to start a war for land against another great power. Instead they will go in all other directions where there is no chance of MAD. My guess is they will leave central asia/post soviet republics to the Russians and in return ask for their support in all of their other ventures. This alliance will last until their common enemy is gone....not good news for the US since until recently Russia was either neutral or even closer to the west in this struggle. Idk what the neocons wanted to accomplish by their actions in Ukraine, but if their goal was to form an anti US coalition comprising of the BRICS...mission accomplished.
incredibly nonsensical because symbolically they may seem to move closer to Russia but in raw dollars they're moving much closer to the West
the Chinese sattelite princlings of ALL the policymakers or industrial elite, who happen to also be the future policymakers and elite, have their millions stashed in the West. what was that CBC figure that ZH focused on a while back, over a TRILLION? you think princlings will risk a TRILLION of their money for just a few hundred million of 'GDP' deals lol
they didn't do this only to ally with demographically failing Russia and start currency and economic wars with the West
Politburo may symbolically spar with western politicians but Sino-western culture will continue to further closen.
i understand that a lot of westerners unhappy with their own governments like to prop up some sort of Sino-rusky "holy grail" as a criticism of their own government's failings.
but most of the Chinese 1% don't give a shit. they care more about making money (often with western companies), buying western real estate or moving their kids to the west (to raise their families in the clean peaceful cities), or buying Italian cars and handbags. most of them would wholly laugh at the notion of a Chinese-Russian vs US economic war. they're too busy trying to get rich and become more western. they're certainly not learning russian and investing on ruble lol. almost all the future leaders of China have been very infuenced by the west and are heavily heavily invested in the west, both economically, culturally, and even socially (directly with their families).
this is a relationship that, while you may be able to threaten it a bit with symbolic sparring between heads of state, you do not funamentally risk or damage in any lasting irreversible way.
none of which to say that Russia isn't a good ally, nor that using Russia to help balance the US political hawks isn't useful. but these are symbolic maneuvers of convenience lol. there's no fundamental reason to ally with Russia other than for oil or to balance American overreach. however, China is funamentally becoming much closer with westerns (if not their government, certainly culturally). i mean, really, at current trends flirting with negative population growth, in 20 years Russia will be a shrinking nation the size of maybe 4 tier 1 Chinese cities, both in population and gdp
this is not the type of ally you put your TRILLION dollars of hidden corruption money all in USD CAD EUR GBP AUD at real risk for.
China and Russia are not Muslim nations. Obama does not like them.
The US can do nothing but mistakes. Everything is built on a house of sand with Insane people pretending to live in the house who are in charge of the country.
Fuck you Rothschilds!
Finally, someone who gets it. Follow the money.
The Diplomat..... check, please.
China and Russia will each do what is in their own self-interest. Where they have common interests, they will be in alliance. Where they don't, they won't.
The more we screw with them, the more they will find common interests.
Questions?
Is "The Diplomat" the new "Simon Black"?
Simon is much more interesting.
LOL!!! spot on.
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Agreed.
Clear, concise, easily understood, and lacking the customary mountain of bullshit embellishment that The Diplomat is known for.
Someone, somewhere, pays for Dingdong Chen and The Diplomat to churn out a river of hot poop. Why?
"Someone, somewhere, pays for Dingdong Chen and The Diplomat to churn out a river of hot poop. Why?"
Answer to your question:
CIA, and USA, because they are pay shills to try turn public opinion and have mass agree with their military expansion agenda and increase our defense budget.
I absolutely Knew this would be a diplomat article when I read the title.
Pretty easy to spot now.
Well, according to Zero Hedge, Russia and China already have become military allies with a joint command structure as deep and complete as NATO. I mean they signed a gas deal worth $13 billion or so pre year so they must have also offered to put their military forces at the disposal of each other.
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So you're saying that the US calls the shots?
Everyone has an agenda. That said, the fact that Russia and China are engaging in a partnership is a big deal. Wolfowitz and his neo-con buds are scared shitless about this.
I doubt it. There was an article this weekend about the Japanese approaching the Russians sometime this year to build a pipeline to acquire natural gas from the Sakhalin Island fields.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. As long as the US is poking its nose in everyone's business the china Russia relationship will work.
> sure, why not?
Massive over-capacity for production(China) + ENERGY( Russia) :-D = happy campers...
China's two biggest markets... North America and the EU. ASEAN and Japan are likely 3 and 4. Vlad? Probably not in the top ten. Sell their goods where?
South America and Africa both with tons of natural resources and people, as well as the Middle East and even India and Central Asia.
Think about it, why north america, china gets back worthless dollars for tangible goods, at least the Euros havent printed as much as the USA so their currency may be more desirable but for how long since they dont have natural resources except technology which the Chinese will have eventually.
Thank goodness they aren't talking crazy shit, like creating Gold backed currencies!
I assume a Chinese general will have operational command of Russian forces in the Far East and that Chinese army units will be based in Kamchatka and other areas the way a real military alliance operates. I mean without allies being able to operate from your territory under a joint command how useful can allies be to each other. T
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That's a rather oblique way to say that NATO is not a real military alliance.
I agree with your assessment that NATO is useless and should be disbanded.
Lithuanians are delighted to have Danish and Polish jets operating from their airbases. Let's see how 'delighted' the Rotten Russian Dictator is to have PLA jets operating from his. Ain't going to happen is it? Vlad knows the day he invites Chinese military units to come to Russia is the day that Russia becomes a Chinese satrapy.
If you guys don't see that you see nothing.
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They should enjoy it while it lasts. NATO will throw them, as well as Latvia and Estonia, under the bus without hesitation.
You may have a point there but I doubt Poland or the rest of eastern europe will allow it. Poland's has had just about enough of being thrown under the bus and I doubt the UK or North America are going to stand for it again. If Germany chickens out we will wring their necks later but wring them we will and they will fall into line or sit in the docket at Nuremburg all over again!
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NATO is a tool of US foreign policy. Poland and eastern Europe will do as they are told.
Spare me the feverish hyperbole, net.kook.
If anything like Nuremburg happens again, it will be to try the criminals in Vichy DC.
Poland is usually throw itself under bus....
and then blames Russia or Germany.
You assume too much.
Is it important to you?
Joint command? Smells like an oxymoron to me or maybe a management cluster farque.
THe Shanghai Cooperative has been in place for years, and it includes Iran and a few former Soviet Republics as well. Trouble this way comes. BIG trouble!
Political alliances are not military alliances. Mutual defense pacts are a whole other animal. You need to be able to operate from each other's military installations, share operational planning and command structures. If you think the Chinese, Russian and Iranian militaries are organized at the same level as the US, British, Japanese, Canadian and Australian etc, etc. you are an idiot!
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No shit. The Chinese, Russian, and Iranian militaries are run according to what is in the best interests of their respective nations.
You are really fukin stupid aren't you! LOL. Surprised you can even type but that is more muscle memory that a brain. Go smoke somemore dope shit head.
Don't you have some war criminals to apologize for?
You must have missed the other meeting going on in Peking when the gazprom
deal was signed.The one where nineteen countries formed a self defence pact against
ZATO. It was announced in a very oblique Chinese way, so as to not offend in
public.I'm sure the direct communication with the US & NATO obsevers was not as subtle.
Its a done deal, just as you forthrightly opined that the gazprom deal would not happen,
I corrected you then ,and I'm correcting you again.
I guarantee a treaty was signed then, to be announced publicly later.Probably just a
heads of agreement right now,but being fleshed it out between 19 countries takes time.
You left out France and Germany. Oh wait, the NSA screwed the pooch on those alliances didn't they or did we do that with our refusal to allow the Palestinians UN recognition?? Do you really believe England, Australia and the Canadians trust the US? Eh? Its OK. Our Israeli handlers will do their best to fix this or fuck it up even more with external distractions. Sending nuclear subs to the coast of Iran should do the trick. Meanwhile the MSM is doing their part - no mention of sanctions in over a month, and the Horse is in the paddock while the Arkansas Crone with the help of Diane Sawyer prepares to rewrite her spotless record of zero accomplishments.
The British, Canadian, Australian, Japanese, South Korean and American militaries are as one. They train as one, they operate as one. NATO, is not so tightly wound because there are, nominally, national governments in between. Push come to shove the national governments will be removed if necessary as force majeur is called into play. Angela Merkel is not going to stop the BAOR and the USAEUR from doing what it is needed. Get used to it.
I see a lot of negative votes but is what I am saying not true. I realize Putin stooges, low IQ types and poor people may not like it but what is incorrect about what I wrote. Are you incapable of seeing the logic of it. It is why a police department can arrest you and you cannot arrest them. They are organized at a strategic and tactical level. You pull a gun on them and they deply overwhelming power against you. Same happens at the nation state level. Putin can only commit suicide by cop. China is not going to join him.
what?
sangell is obviously a troll trying to disrupt intelligent debate. Just ignore this moron. Zerohedge is for a higher caliber thinker than this wannabe US gov assclown.
Perhaps not but their moral is ten times that of the arrogant Western hedonists. Which true warrior wants to defend homosex, drugdealers, a hugely corrupt financial world? Indeed, not any warrior. The Western countires have a HUGE problem with morality. Without a high morality you cannot win ANY war. Just Google "Vietnam", "Afghanistan", "Detroit", "St. Louis", "Baltimore", "Iraq" ...
nyet....not comng......"trouble" is not minding own business and go looking for it...
The West has become a den of criminals. It is broke and only has FRAUD and spyware as products. Russia and China were driven together by....drum roll...that's rightt; Washington D.C.
YeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaa.
Movin movin movin; Keep them banksters squirming.
Putin.
Ride em in; ride em out; Head em up; move em out.
China and Russia have mutual economic interests. These are self evident. But they are not enough to lead to a formal alliance. Friendly mutual trade pacts are in both nations interests. China will soon be the world largest economy by gross size. Russia is small in comparison, but they are resource rich and are not under resource pressures like water, energy , forest products, minerals etc. etc.
The parade of US invasions and proxy wars over the last decade, plus the USA pivot to the east, while expanding NATO in the west, those amount to more than enough to convince Russia and CHina they they are the ultimate targets. US neo-con writtings, in and of themselves, call for the expansion of US power in unlimited operations aimed at the take down of Russia, and the take down of China. The Syrian and Ukrainian US proxy wars have more or less sealed the deal between Russia and China.
The two are not doing this out of a desire to be allies. Nope, they are doing it as mutual targets of an out of control expansion of US military power. The US Coup in Kiev, and the attempt to take all of that country in one well timed move, has made it clear to Moscow. China and Russia are reacting to the US and NATO. Nothing hard to figure out in this, two nations that the US threatens openly, they are the two likely to form an alliance. But not a tight NATO type alliance, a more loose one that can change as needs arise.
"Loose" military alliances don't work. For example, Hitler was all set to invade Russia in May, 1941. Mussolini went and attacked Greece then. Set back Hitler's attack on Russia and, worse weakened it with fatal consequences. In 1973 Iraq sent an armored corps to 'help' Syria retake the Golan Heights during the Yom Kippur war. The Syrian Air Force ended up bombing it because it was clogging the main route of advance of the Syrian Army.
Simply saying we are 'on the same side' is a military irrelevancy. You have to be operationally integrated and that, my friend, is not going to happen between China and Russia. They don't trust each other and their obectives are not the same.
From History Channel?
You are right if you refer to an offensive alliance, like NATO and like the reported examples. To be effective, attacking forces need to be tightly integrated.
A Russia-China alliance would be totally defensive, though. It means that, in the case NATO attacks Russia, China will react attacking well chosen US allies, for instance invading Taiwan, dumping US treasuries, blocking key exports, giving financial support to Russia and so on. In the case US attacks China, Russia could harass US allies in turn (Georgia, Baltic states, Turkey, Europe itself...) by stopping gas and oil exports and menacing them with an invasion. This could be very effective because US and their allies, while still very powerful militarily, cannot substain a war all over Asia.
Like the Roman Empire, we to will fade off. The people are broke, beaten down. Elections don't matter anymore.
Winners are based on the sad fact that one side wins when 35% of the people vote vs. the other side when 55% of the people vote.
The voters are beholden to the MSM who portrays the view of the Money Powers in Charge of their Minds.
BrainWashing does work in America. The stupids don't get it and never will, they are stupid.
They send their kids to war on the belief that we are getting Religious Nuts in another land to vote, and guess what, they do.
More vote there now than in America, Sad but true. We spend 6x more than Russia or China on military. But get less. Hmmmm.
Americans are that stupid they don't know we are behind the rest of the World in every aspect except our Military.
We pay more for health care and are not even in the top 20 as far as care given. We rank 37th.
We pay more for Internet and we have slower speeds than the top 9 who beat us. We rank u 31st in download speeds.
We pay more in taxes than the rest of the world for public services and our infastructure is in the bottom of the list compared to other nations.
We rank 37th in education. Keep them stupids stupid. Overall infrastruture ranks under the top 20th. About 25th.
"We rank u 31st in download speeds."
Yes, but we rank first in the perversity index of material downloaded!
good post
I am pretty sure that the west thought they had Russia on board their NWO plan at some point and the said plan started going sideways when Putin gave em the 1 finger salute during the Syrian crisis last year and ever since they have been trying to rectify the trajectory which in my sense is not fixable. IMO China and Russia will remain aligned until uncle Sam's cock will have shriveled enough and the US will be a 2nd world (at best, 3rd world more likely) country.
A multipolar world is in mankind's best interest.
I agree with you. I will add that the US has troops in over 100 countries, tens of thousands in several. Now, I learn that the FBI is in over 100 as well, so couple that with the NSA and CIA revelations, the history of constant overthrow of legitimate governments, and many other crazy transgressions, what do we expect? It appears that this government is out of control, in fact it is for sure, just fathom for a second the IRS wearing sidearms and police departments having drones and military assault vehicles.
No one likes to be bullied. The sad part is that these things don't self correct without outside stimulus. We sheeple are outside with some of us trying to peek in. It will have to collapse on its own and I'm not so confident that it will as some of you are.
unlucky? or the start of house cleaning? " Philadelphia Inquirer co-owner Lewis Katz was killed along with six other people in a fiery plane crash in Massachusetts, "
Funny he did not look like a bankster..
Yes there is an alliance. If energy is involved it's pretty damn serious, even if the alliance isn't on everyone's lips.
The Anlgo-American (Zionist) Empire dominated by their banksters ARE a combined threat to both China and Russia, and have been for long time. The main difference now is that both China and Russia have had the shit kicked out of them so much, for so long, by the Banksters' Empire that controls NATO, that both China and Russia have been forced to learn and copy enough of the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire's tricks to be on the verge of perhaps being able to agree upon ways to work together to oppose that world domination continuing.
Of course, they ALL share the same basic evil social pyramid systems. However, it is my view that Russia and China clearly have enough of a joint interest to try to oppose being dominated by the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire dominated by the banksters to motivate them to work together more to resist that domination. Indeed, most of the rest of the world is being screwed by the established systems making "money" out of nothing as debts. That system only worked due to the application of the methods of organized crime being able to enforce it.
Almost all of the rest of world would benefit IF they could somehow stop the Western Banksters from being able to dominate them, through the established monetary systems, (covertly backed up by the establish military systems). These are extremely risky endeavours. An alliance of China and Russia, along with a lot of other countries who have been royally screwed by the banksters, are possibly triggering world wars, as the banksters attempt to consolidate their global hegemony.
I think it is practically guaranteed that the NATO countries which are dominated by the banksters WILL surely force China and Russia to form a stronger alliance. The USA WILL continue to be controlled by the banksters, and therefore, continue to NOT act in any ways which were sanely related to the "national interests" of the vast majority of Americans. (I find most articles that talk about "national interests" to be bullshit, since governments tend to serve the interests of ruling classes, NOT the interests of their people generally. Any kind of political analysis that ignores the roles of the banksters tends to be RIDICULOUS.)
Outside of the NATO countries which all are more or less controlled by political puppets directed by the banksters, which have dominated their countries for many generations, there are many other countries besides Russia and China which would have interests in opposing the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire that the international banksters were able to make and maintain, and impose upon most of the world, for quite a while. Obviously, the future of the world will be largely the result of the banksters attempting to carry through their criminally insane agenda. Any effective resistance to that, such as would emerge through a more formal alliance between Russia and China, would increase the real risk of world war going out of control.
Personally, since I detest and despise the banksters, but was born into one of the countries that they always dominated, I tend to have romantic fantasies regarding Russia and China being able to more effectively resist the international banksters, and thereby leading the way to enable more countries also possibly being able to do that in the future. The banksters' Pax Americana looks like it has become an evil phenomenon to me. I would not be sympathetic towards its continued globalized triumph.
More and more, I find that I disagree with what the bankster controlled, political puppets in NATO countries are saying, while I tend to agree more with what public figures more on the periphery of that system are saying. Of course, I think that they are ALL professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, however, I find the Western bankster dominated political puppets to be more obnoxious now than many of those in other countries.
Socialism does not work. Ever played a game of monopoly? I rest my case.
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2014/06/01/the-money-valve-ii/
The Money Valve II
"... in the olden days, Government (Goobermint) came before Banking and Money, but in the modern world, Banking controls Goobermint. Entities like the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) and Da Federal Reserve Bank (really a Private Company, not a Goobermint Agency) are all controlled by a supra-national Cartel, often referred to as the “Illuminati”. Basically these are just all the people and families which took control of the Banking System beginning in the Medici Era, continuing through the Colonial Period and currently running the entire economic system that built up through the period.
Today, this system can even make somebody like Vlad the Impaler in control of Russia capitulate. Remains to be seen if a Chinese-Ruskie alliance is strong enough to combat the economic sanctions and loss of credit from the International Bankster Cartel. ...
... In theory a Goobermint should be able to issue it’s own money, however since the International Banking Cartel took over the Money Biz going back to the Medici Era, it has been close to impossible for any Goobermint to do this independently. The Cartel steps all over them, cuts them off from Credit, their Money Hyperinflates and they are screwed. In the current case of the Ruskies and China, they are trying to break free of this and may be large enough to do so, but even if they succeed it just crashes the whole global trade system.
No win situation there, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. ..."
Article that just came out on the subject of Chinese-Russian "historical mistrust" or lack therof.
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A VERY BRIEF HISTORY OF CHINESE RUSSIAN RELATIONS
Concluding paragraph:
"... Western perceptions of the China Russia relationship are in my opinion far too heavily influenced by the very brief period of the Sino Soviet conflict of the 1960s and 1970s. Across the 300 or so years of the history of their mutual interaction the 15 or so years of this conflict represent very much the anomaly not the rule. Given this conflict’s idiosyncratic origins in ideological and status issues that are (to put it mildly) extremely unlikely to recur again, to treat this conflict as representing the norm in China’s and Russia’s relations with each other seems to me frankly farfetched. The past is never a safe guide to the future. However on the basis of the actual history of their relations, to argue that China’s and Russia’s strategic partnership is bound to fail because of their supposed long history of suspicion and conflict towards each other is to argue from prejudice rather than fact."
A Russia-China alliance may have been prophesized by Nostradamus to last 13 years before they turn on each other.
"This also indicates that Russia is now moving closer to China’s side with regard to the territorial disputes between China and Japan"
Russia stole land from China in the equivalent of 1/6 of the current size of China in the last 150 years.
China is just waiting for the right time to take it all back plus "payback".
The Russians better be very, very careful.
Russian communists fought a war againest chinese communists.
Russian oligarchs/nationalists will fight a war against chnese commies/princelings in a few short years.
Thus Spoke Nostradumbass.
If China and Russia can make India jump ship, then the world of the West will fold. USD will sink.
The question is whether India will do it.
India used to be a Non-Aligned nation during the Cold War but more tilted towards the Soviet Union. Recently, they jumped ship to the West......very wise decision.
The country to watch is south korea. They have a long history of changing alliance even in the middle of a war.......imperial china, Russia, Japan & now the US.
According to the latest news, South korea is moving towards china. They change their spots so fast they can never be trusted.....mark my words.
Stupid country.
Russia and China have been wanting to take down the US a long time
here is an agreement between president Yeltzin and president Zemin in 1997
they made a pact stating that the US should no longer be the leader of the world
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/23/russia.china/
However it goes further back then that ideologically
Do they really care if the economic indicatore are on their side if they plan on taking over a country?
Eventually that is what will happen
Why all this bilateral aggressive postering if something wasnt up?
I agree with Winston Churchill's post on the Chinese General accusing US thread
by the end of the year something is going to happen much larger then Ukraine
some people are preparing, some are laughing, this is serious.
Will they form an alliance????? There's an easy rule of thumb since the Cold War days. Ask yourself:
From where does china buy its weapons????? Common sense tells you countries usually don't buy weapons from the enemy.
BEIJING (Reuters) - The murder of a woman at a fastfood restaurant in China has sparked a national outcry after it was revealed she was beaten to death for allegedly refusing to give her telephone number to members of a banned religious group.
The 37-year-old woman was attacked by a group of people who were described as being members of the Church of Almighty God religious movement, state media reported. The group preached a global apocalypse would take place in 2012 and has been banned by Chinese authorities.
http://news.yahoo.com/mcdonalds-murder-china-sparks-outrage-080318002--f...
Gee. Sounds like LA.
way off topic
and the incidence of murder per-capita in china is something like 25% of the usa. hmmmm....
The New Russia-china-southkorea Axis. Read this. It's meant to be serious but it will make you laugh:
http://propaganda-buster.blogspot.jp/2014/05/south-korean-needs-to-be-in...
makes sense
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Russia wins cold war
Russia is now moving closer to China’s side with regard to the territorial disputes between China and Japan?
Why would there ever be a doubt? China needs the oil - Russia has the oil - and needs to sell it....
People don't understand that after you open a well, the oil keeps coming - it doesn't stop - basically not ever - so unless you sell it..... that black sticky stuff just backs up on tankers and barges until someone decides to buy the stuff, or you dump the price to flush your excess supply. There you have it. Russia has no choice unless they have unlimited storage above ground. Once baked - that agreement is another form of cash which can and will be collateralized.... to buy other things...
PMT.hk
The ASEAN Security Council just ended in Singapore this weekend. It was a yelling match between the US-Japan-Asean on one side & china on the other. It got so out of hand that the meeting had to be suspended many times.
Renown strategist Edward Ludwig called the Chinese strategy of hegemony "stupid" & Hagel strongly criticized china by name as destablizing the region.
Enjoy your Sunday evening in the US.
doesnt seem much sense to stash all your money in the WEST and then ally with Russia against the West....
HOW MUCH DOES MOSSAD PAY FOR THESE DIPLOMAT ARTICLES?
It's rather amusing that the only points that critics bring up in relation to why it is not possible for China and Russia to form a strategic alliance is:
1. Russia wouldn't accept being a junior partner. It's not even in China's interest that Russia be viewed as a junior partner. It would be demeaning to try and view someone as a junior partner that you couldn't beat in a war.
2. That Russia sells arms to India who is a rival to China. It's a bit rich when one considers that the US so called partners such as the UK and France are also selling arms to the rivals of the US including Russia!
3. I especially like the quote from Brooks and Wollforth, "Russia's fundamental interest in these exports is not checking U.S. power but rather a desperate need to slow the decline of its military industrial complex.". It just shows how utterly clueless the two are about Russia since it has been modernizing it's industrial base since the fall of the USSR.
What you have is a bunch of idiots who hope and wish that China and Russia don't form a lasting alliance because they must know that it will expedite the blowup of the economy in the US when the dollar loses it's status as the reserve currency.
Pretty obvious China and Russia don't read the diplomat.
Strategic. What a word which had been abused and used by clowns that have no clue. Enough said.
Go GOYIM!
Let the chips fall as they may
who prints the fiat in Russia and China- not a jew? then they got a problem..stalin counts the votes - bernake and yellen then correct what counts. Some nations don't like outside control as the coup in the USA was successful in 1913 (FED&Income tax on ave joe america)
If there is a Russia, China alliance how is that in anyway different then what existed before?
Is China going to start sending troops to Russia Ukraine border are something?
Is Russia going to abandon ties with Vietnam and India in order to support China?
There has been a slowly building default Russia China alliance for awhile now basically sense Tienanmen square when west cut off military exports to china and china went to the Russians who were desperate for cash at the time. Putin has been pushing the shanghai cooperation organization for over a decade the original intent there was to form a Russia, china, India alliance but India refused.
Nothing new here but Russia and China doing what they were always going to do eventually anyways regardless of western policies.
I wrote a paper in college in 1974 on OPEC and monopolies. I remember looking at the map and realizing that Russia had 13 or so time zones east to west. My 19 year old steel trap mind at the time wondered if they had any kind of oil resources and abilities to get them out of the ground why the Middle East was dictating oil prices on the world stage? Russia and China will do what is good for Russia and China. The USA will continue to flame apart from the inside out and that by design. If, and I say if, the EBT cards are shut down we will have martial law overnight. Then and only then will we see behind the curtain as the new Amerika is unveiled.
Someone a while back wrote a book called the enemy within. Good read. I am currently reading a book titled "All the Presidents Bankers" by Nomi Prins. Good read. To a crazy man the rest of the world is insane. I think the tendency to look the other way or bury ones head in the sand is strong in our species. That of course doesnt apply to car wrecks on the tollroads where everyone has to slow traffic on both sides of the roadway. Good Monday to all.
There are a lot of books called The Enemy Within, Which one did you read?