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Mapping 100 Years Of US Immigration By State

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Several days ago, we looked at the big picture of US immigration, presenting the place of origin of America's 40 million foreign-born residents. However, as is always the case with the US, focusing on the big picture at the national level ignores the nuances at the state level.

The following two charts using Pew Research data, compiled by the WaPo, show the dramatic changes in the land of origin of US immigrants, beginning with 1910 when Germany was the primary driver of US-born residents, accounting for 18% of US immigrants, and proceeding through 2010, when Mexico has become the the biggest source of foreign-born residents: the birthplace of 29% of all immigrants in the US.

1910:

 

and 2010:

Some observations from WaPo:

With more than 40 million immigrants, the United States is the top destination in the world for those moving from one country to another. Mexico, which shares a nearly 2,000-mile border with the U.S., is the source of the largest wave of immigration in history from a single country to the United States.

 

But today’s volume of immigrants, in some ways, is a return to America’s past. A century ago, the U.S. experienced another large wave of immigrants. Although smaller at 18.2 million, they hailed largely from Europe. Many Americans can trace their roots to that wave of migrants from 1890-1919, when Germany dominated as the country sending the most immigrants to many of the U.S. states, although the United Kingdom, Canada and Italy were also strongly represented.

 

In 1910, Germany was the top country of birth among U.S. immigrants, accounting for 18% of all immigrants (or 2.5 million) in the United States. Germans made up the biggest immigrant group in 17 states and the District of Columbia, while Mexico accounted for the most immigrants in just three states (Arizona, New Mexico and Texas). Behind Germany, the second-most number of immigrants in the U.S. were from Russia and the countries that would become the USSR (11%, or 1.6 million).

 

Since 1965, when Congress passed legislation to open the nation’s borders, immigrants have largely hailed from Latin America and Asia. In states that have attracted many immigrants, the current share of immigrants is below peaks reached more than a century ago. Today there are four states (California, New York, New Jersey and Florida) in which about one-in-five or more people are foreign born. California peaked in 1860 at 39.7%, when China was the top country of birth among immigrants there. Meanwhile, New York and New Jersey peaked in 1910 at 30.1% (Russia and the USSR) and 26.2% (Italy), respectively.

 

Today, five times as many immigrants in the U.S. are from Mexico than China, the country with the second-highest number of immigrants (5% of all immigrants in the U.S., or 2.2 million). Mexico is the birthplace of 29% (or 11.7 million) of all immigrants in the United States. Immigrants born in Mexico account for more than half of all of the foreign born in four states: New Mexico (72.4%), Arizona (60.2%), Texas (59.7%) and Idaho (53.5%).

Of note: while until 1970, the percentage of US population that was foreign born steadily declined, reaching just 5%, over the past 40 years, as the organic growth rate of US-born population has declined below the rate of immigration, the percentage of immigrants as a % of total has been rising steadily and is now back to a level not seen in the past century.

 

Finally, here is why the Germans are losing to Mexicans, at least when it comes to US immigration by state: an animated map of German vs Mexican immigration from 1850 until modern days.

u.s. immigration from germany and mexico
 

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Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:27 | 4814376 CH1
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But I thought immigrants were the source of all our problems.

Fox News told me so!

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:30 | 4814389 orangegeek
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you should post your whiny comment on Fox's site then

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:40 | 4814414 CH1
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Trust not those in whom the desire to punish is strong.

-- Goethe

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:52 | 4814448 cossack55
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The only good thing I can say about Goethe is at least he kept his depressed ass in Germany.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:01 | 4814473 Dick Buttkiss
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." — Goethe

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:40 | 4814578 TBT or not TBT
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Sounds pretty whiney to me.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:05 | 4814640 max2205
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Hola motherfuckers! 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:22 | 4814674 Skateboarder
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Viva la Mexico. Ai! Ai! Ai!

Cabrón.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:24 | 4814830 Amish Hacker
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Whether this map represents immigration or infestation depends on whether you see immigrants as assets or as liabilities.

P.S. Isn't it amazing how many Russians had sense enough to head for New York just ahead of the Bolshevik Revolution?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:19 | 4815109 migra
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Go to any social services office on Monday morning and that will clearly tell you what mexicans are to this country. 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:37 | 4815152 Four chan
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with the advent of slavery and the mexican infiltration,

america has taken on two groups with averages in iq, two standard

deviations below european whites (70 ave iq) leading to the

downfall of america and the realization of mike judges idiocracy.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:22 | 4815261 Midas
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We are runnin' out of burrito coverings and we need someone to fix the ecomony.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:58 | 4814922 Urban Redneck
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We already knew Mexicans were the only people more obese than the average American.

Know we know Mexicans are the only the people even dumber than the average American.

It's one thing to run into a burning building to save someone else, to do so to save oneself takes a special kind of stupid.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:21 | 4814982 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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one of the more astute observations.... and if they are that stupid to run into the burning building, who gains the most from them doing so?  pretty soon we will be forced to have bath tub mary's in our front yards

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:29 | 4815007 Lost Word
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The burning building is burning so slow,

it appears to be comfortable indoor fireplace heating,

better than whatever they are escaping.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:48 | 4815045 Divine
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I would change somali, arab, middle-east or african immigrants 1 for 10 mexicans. Atleast our cultures share some common moral ground and the people have real skills & can read etc. These somalis make open fires inside government paid apartments, dispose all waste in WC and all crazy shit. Damn sometimes I wonder where are their damn brain.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:24 | 4815368 NuckingFuts
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sounds like you are familiar with "MiniAfrica"  AKA Minneapolis.

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:02 | 4814476 CH1
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The only good thing I can say about Goethe is at least he kept his depressed ass in Germany.

And so the error defends itself... by slandering one of the world's best minds.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:32 | 4814555 vened
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Try reciting Goethe to Mexicans.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:43 | 4814572 vened
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Monkey, Spain is not Mexico. Most of Mexicans coming to the US can't read.  Most of them don't even speak Mexican Spanish pigeon since they are from stone-age indian tribes. You are the only hope to enlighten them with your Goethe love.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:02 | 4814623 CH1
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Wow, lots of hate in you!

Can't help wondering if you call yourself a Christian. I'm giving it 50-50 odds.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:10 | 4814649 TeamDepends
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So Christians are haters, huh?  Wow, Space Ape, you are really jumping the shark here.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:23 | 4814680 CH1
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Hit a nerve, did I?

The point was that hate is the opposite of Christianity. (At least what it's suppsed to be.)

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:15 | 4814976 chapaev's ghost
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More hate decisions...

Who do Zerohedgers hate more, Bernanke or Obama?

Who does the Pope hate more, Martin Luther or the Baal Shem Tov?

Who does Hillary hate more, Bill or Barry?

Who does the NSA hate more, Snowden or al-Zawahiri?

Who does the CIA hate more, the NSA or the FBI?

Who does Justin Bieber hate more, the cops or himself?

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:49 | 4815314 FeralSerf
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The NSA hates Snowden more. Al-Zawahiri works for the CIA.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 22:09 | 4815757 old naughty
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are you certain "Snowed" is not?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 12:25 | 4817084 FeralSerf
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Of course not. How could I be certain?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:35 | 4814710 Cathartes Aura
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plenty of christians professing hate here in the ZH threads, I'm sure you've noticed it?

plenty of hate, particularly for specific groups targeted.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:44 | 4814736 Skateboarder
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Plenty of hate in general. Enough to keep families busily warring amongst themselves and their peers while the socio/psycho-paths loot us all.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 23:47 | 4815926 Edelweiss
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  It's the cornerstone of politics, etc.  Basic human perception dictates "My tribe is better than your tribe.  Sure, some members of my tribe have their shortcomings, but overall they are superior to your tribe's members".  How many people do you know that don't think that way?  The framework of understanding that allows for building a bridge, is the same as the one that seems to inevitably lead to it's destruction. 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:56 | 4814757 Lost Word
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Plenty of hate from people from ancestors who were Christian,

but not Christian now in this generation perhaps.

Christian is a religion, not an Ethnic group, unlike Jews.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:05 | 4814783 TeamDepends
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Anyone spewing hate is, obviously, not a Christian.  You'll have to give some examples of Christians "professing hate" here.  But if they are, it is probably because they, like white American males, have had enough of being attacked verbally here, and physically in other parts of the world.  Did you know that Christians in the Middle East are being crucified (literally), raped, and murdered in ever increasing numbers?  And not a peep about it on MSM.  Nowhere, however, in the teachings of Christ does it say you should simply surrender and allow yourself to be slaughtered.  As the Roman army was approaching Jesus said, and we are paraphrasing:  Sell a coat, buy a sword.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:35 | 4814856 Cathartes Aura
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give me a fuckin' break.

white American males, have had enough of being attacked verbally here, and physically in other parts of the world.

the majority of posters here, overwhelmingly, are White Males, and most of those are also "American" - ZH is about as cosy an echo chamber one can find on the internet for that demographic.

plenty of scriptures quoted, and plenty of finger pointing resentment for not getting all that the gods have promised 'em.  plenty of hate for "the obese," "women," all non-whites, except certain sexually desire-ables.

as to your "Christians" being slaughtered, sooo many wars fought over competing "gods" and their off-spring - the god of money, the god of territory, the god of GIMME THAT. . .


gods are history's favourite excuse to destroy.

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:53 | 4814907 Lost Word
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Once again, Christian is a religion, Not an Ethnic description of Americans.

Those comments quoting scripture

presumably Not the same people

as those comments quoting hate.

Don't lump everyone together blindly.

Discriminate between the good and the evil,

the sheep and the goats,

the wheat and the tares,

if you know the Bible verses I am referencing.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:11 | 4814963 Cathartes Aura
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a "Christian" for me is anyone who labels Self as such, end of.

and the bible-quoters here ARE part of the hate-full demographic, overwhelmingly.  usually after a nice alcoholic bevvie to get 'em jump-started.

Don't lump everyone together blindly.

tell it to the Believers, I take each individual on their presentation of Self, nothing more.

and your "discriminate between" story? that's where this shit gets started, in the belief of superiority vs. "others" - all because people create gods in their own images, then enForce worship of these fictive extensions of themselves, and punish ALL who will not bow to.  hence "cultures".

and then the ruling class step right in and stir that dirty pot, lets off some war-steam - rinse, repeat, history.

who benefits??

 

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:21 | 4814989 TeamDepends
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Boo hoo, Tyler we need Affirmative Action and qoutas, too many white males speaking out!  Just because you make fun of someone doesn't mean you hate them.  We insult attorneys on the other thread.  Guess what, most lawyers in the US are white males.  There might even be some in our house!  It sounds like you believe it is acceptable that Christians are being slaughtered today to make up for events in the past.  That is sick.  You are right though when you say wars were fought over competing "gods".  That is perhaps their greatest trick, convincing people there is more than one God. 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 07:40 | 4816277 AnAnonymous
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Anyone spewing hate is, obviously, not a Christian. You'll have to give some examples of Christians "professing hate" here. But if they are, it is probably because they, like white American males, have had enough of being attacked verbally here, and physically in other parts of the world. Did you know that Christians in the Middle East are being crucified (literally), raped, and murdered in ever increasing numbers? And not a peep about it on MSM.
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Too bad 'americans' can back up their debt with comments like that one. Because it is gold, pure gold. And with 'american' ease to produce this kind of crap...

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:56 | 4814759 holgerdanske
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"Mexican Spanish pigeon"

 

LOL, pidgin!

 

 

 

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:54 | 4815193 CH1
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And what about the order of the words?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:51 | 4815318 Boondocker
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As a foster parent we have had kids from the various indian tribed of Mexico....they dont speak spanish, their technological knowledge is zero, they use their anchor babies for benefits and dont want to assimilate and those in power ctiticize those of us who advocate for them to assimilate.....way to go 'merica

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:45 | 4814887 jbvtme
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tesla claimed his reading of goethe's faust inspired his ideas on electricity

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:34 | 4814396 Bad Attitude
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Immigrants who have no desire to assimilate, who have no desire to learn our language, who view our laws with contempt, and whose loyalties remain with their "home" country are a problem. The US is not supposed to be a northern province of Mexico.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:53 | 4814424 Quus Ant
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You want them to assimilate into a dying culture?  Why?  They've come to the land of bankers to earn paper to support their families back home.   What a shitty choice to have to make.  That's loyalty.  

 

How many statists can dance on the head of a pin?  

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:06 | 4814481 CH1
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How many statists can dance on the head of a pin? 

Trick question!

Statists don't dance on the heads of pins, they prefer the heads of people who don't worship the state.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:09 | 4814491 Quus Ant
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Look at them dance right now!  Whoooooha!

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:36 | 4815154 Colonel Klink
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Soon we'll dance on their graves.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:54 | 4814456 kurt
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I'm pretty sure what you said has been said about every single earlier immigrant wave except the name of the country. 

I've seen 5 generations of Mexican immigrant. The later ones take on the countenance, language, and posture of the typical american. It is most notable in the returning vet. In fact they embrace attitudes and traditions, like July 4 and football with more gusto (spanish word). I for one appreciate their food and strong connection to their families and work ethic.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:45 | 4814591 TBT or not TBT
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Keep working on your anecdotes. The simple fact of the matter is you can't have both generous social services AND open borders in an advanced first world republic and also keep the latter thing. We have laws, a language, and borders that our treasonous president and atty general prevent enforcement of, very actively.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:04 | 4814638 CH1
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We have laws, a language, and borders

All bow to our sacred State! Worship or die!

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:09 | 4814648 max2205
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I heard that mexicans are prove that Indians mated with donkeys. ....

 

Don't have any proof though

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:42 | 4815035 Postal
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No, it's Mexicans who mate with donkeys. Haven't you ever been to Juarez?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 00:16 | 4815971 Adahy
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How did they get to Mexico all the way from India?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:07 | 4816623 TBT or not TBT
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We could get back to worshipping our constitution, rather than our sprawling ravenous apocalyptically mission-creeped unanswerable unionized permajob administrative state. The former prevents the latter, if you follow it.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:12 | 4814655 Quus Ant
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You can't have haves without havenots. 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:14 | 4814662 FredFlintstone
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True

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:47 | 4814740 in4mayshun
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Sorry. False. You CAN have a nation of 100% "HAVES." There will always be people who have more than others. But a society of haves and have-nots is most certainly engineered by the rich.

END THE FED! And we can begin our journey

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:08 | 4814775 Quus Ant
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If you want a high standard of living(mountains of shit you can dispose of and replenish at will) someone, somewhere is going to have to subsidize that standard with their "natural resources".  Ipods don't assemble themselves.  Fruit doesn't pick itself.  Clothes don't sew themselves.  You need Chinese, Mexicans and Bangladeshis.  If their standards of living rise too much you must find(or create) another group of havenots.  It helps if they're brown.  White people expect brown folks to serve them and generally feel the pittance paid for services rendered is akin to charity.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:12 | 4816643 TBT or not TBT
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Soon, our stuff will assemble itself, join the Internet of Things that's got silicon valley shitheads so worked up about, and then revolt. We really should keep our nukes under full manual control, run by primitive vacuum tube, mechanical, hydraulic and analog powered control. We may need to EMP ourselves.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:05 | 4816799 FredFlintstone
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Our "have nots" have more than Lords of the manor did in days gone by.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:59 | 4814770 shovelhead
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I'm fond of the drive by shootings.

Social Darwinism at it's finest.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:18 | 4816675 TBT or not TBT
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I sat in a jury seat for voire dire for a gang style double murder of a couple youths sitting in their car at one of the very many bad intersections in Oakland. The list of people you couldnt personally know without disclosing it were in a two page list of black nicknames clearly associated with gang /drug dealing subculture. I was half ready to tell the judge I risked wanting to congratulate the alleged perp for his shot groupings, give him back his gun, and issue him a couple dozen toe tags.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:55 | 4814459 Lost Word
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The German immigrants were Legal immigrants,

and most quickly learned English,

While many or most of the Mexican immigrants are Illegal immigrants,

and many have not learned English.

German people are many ways similar to English people,

while Mexican people are many ways not similar to English people.

New World Order planned division divisive destruction of the United States.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:00 | 4814469 TeamDepends
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> Multiculturalism is deadly

> Multiculturalism is good

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:11 | 4814498 Oracle 911
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> Multiculturalism is deadly

> Multiculturalism is highway to hell

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:17 | 4814508 Lost Word
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Difficult to Vote for Both.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:26 | 4814834 kill switch
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Not in Chicago...

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:18 | 4815106 q99x2
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Got something else up there.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:11 | 4814499 CH1
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Any concept of morality promoted by a collective is poison, whether or not it is 'correct.'

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:36 | 4815150 Luckhasit
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Exactly! That could be it.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:03 | 4814478 DeliciousSteak
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It's important to remember that in the good olden days it was politically correct to discriminate against the Germans and forcefully assimilate them into the English speaking mainstream. If the Germans had been allowed to be the Huns that they are, America wouldn't be what it is today.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:23 | 4814515 Lost Word
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Actually there were so many Germans in America before the Revolutionary War,

Especially in Pennsylvania and Philadelphia,

German language was supposedly considered as a choice for the official language,

but perhaps only as an insult to the English Crown,

although by that time, the English Crown was German Hannover.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:37 | 4814538 NidStyles
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The jokes on them. English is a Germanic language.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:08 | 4814790 Lost Word
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Germans began invading Britain at about 450 AD.

Anglo Saxon language or Old English derived from German became the majority language in a century or two.

Norman invasion of England in 1066 was led by French speaking North men of German or Nordic ancestry,

with the Norman French nobility descended from Charlemagne, whom the Germans know as having German ancestry.

Obviously, educated English people in 1776 America knew that English is a Germanic language.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:16 | 4815101 NidStyles
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It is rather rare to see people that actually have a good grasp on history. 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:37 | 4815155 Luckhasit
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That it is.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:56 | 4815317 Lost Word
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The Anglo Saxon people and language from Germany overwhelmed the British people and language,

and became English.

British King Arthur fought against the Anglo Saxons, but Arthur and the British eventually lost the war, and most of the land, and the British language retreated with the British people. Perhaps because the German invasion was sustained for several generations, although the numbers were not recorded in written history. Decades or centuries of war at the borders.

Some of the defeated British migrated into Brittany, in northwestern France, where the British later fought against the Norman French.

 

The Norman French nobility brought the French language to England,

but English prevailed among the common people, until at last English replaced French as the language of the nobility. Perhaps because the French invasion was not sustained, but only a short term invasion of only one generation, although later the Norman English invaded Norman France, and Norman people migrated both ways between England and France. Decades or centuries of war at the borders.

 

What will the Spanish speaking invasion do to the United States?

Divide and conquer?

Or will the Spanish speakers be defeated?

Decades or centuries of war?

Is that what the New World Order wishes,

for the destructon of the United States ?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 21:46 | 4815710 SF beatnik
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I suspect that the local NWO types don't much care, one way or the other.  They can leave the USA if things get too bad. And most of them are already secure in their gated or well guarded communities. (See Chittum. "Civil War II".) 

 

 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 06:31 | 4816204 homonohumanus
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Hum, how is spelled already? bullshit?

 

Just so you know of your ignorance about who the "French" of the old time are.

French were a german tribe, they conquired many places, that include Gaul and Nehterland.

In French quite some time ago we used to call Doetsch "francisque", because Netherland was also invaded by French tribes.

 

As for France, a long time ago it used to be called "Gauls", note the plural. It used to be called Gauls by the Romans.

There were 3 dominant ethnicities in Gauls:

South west the aquitanian, which were a really old tribe, with a non indo european language.

THe midlle: the gauls as named by the romans buit they named themselves Celts. The middle of France used to be the core of the celtic world.

North, Belgae: whic halso were celts.

 

They've been romanized, then the north of France has been invaded by French. Those French decided to stick with the local official language which was a blend of many languages (roman and locals).

Local languages of many types survived for really long in France. Only the late effort (end of 19th century) finally succeeded in getting rid of the many "patois" and lot of local languages (sone still persist / saw renewed interest later in the 20th century).

 

The control of France as a whole by French kind has been a long process, I sugest you search a card of the loyaulties to the kings of France throughout the age.

 

Imo if you have interest in History of Europe I sugest you invest more time in it as it is crazy complicated.

 

As for Brittany, they/ve been there for as long as the others Celts in France, some immigration from UK doesn't changed it.

 

Another thing about "invasions", back in time we speak about tiny numbers. The invaders were not replacing the old population altogether, they mostly took the place of the previous rulers, and set new rules, beliefs, languages, etc.

=> Most people of France (that have been ther for long) are mostly of Celtic ascendance. The survivance of Celts DNA and celtic culture are different thing, it applies to many tribes.

 

I advise not the run away fron the complexity of History and understand the difference between the History of the rulers and the History of different populations /tribes.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:57 | 4815329 FeralSerf
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The Normans spoke French. French is NOT a Germanic language. It is a romance, i.e. Latin based, language.

English adopted much of the French language after 1066.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:41 | 4815410 Lost Word
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Yes, it is true that English language adopted much from the French language.

But English is still classified as a Germanic language.

And today the French still hate the English language.

But Germanic and Celtic and Italic-Latin languages are all grouped together in the family tree of languages, which three languages, among others, someone might call Aryan languages.

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:30 | 4814536 NidStyles
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As a descendant of German immigrants that were in the US before your stupid country was created out of thin air, I say screw you on multiples fronts. Primarly for calling me a Hun. The Huns were Chinese asshole. 

 

It's embarassing to see so many of you not know a damn thing about history. 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:44 | 4814589 Lost Word
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Two hundred years in America and it is still "your stupid country"?

Hun was a slang term for Germans in WWI and WWII ?

Perhaps derived from Hannover?

My paternal ancestors were from Germany, before the American Civil War.

They married American women as wives, mostly English, and Scot, and also German.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:51 | 4814604 TBT or not TBT
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Our Constituion has endured longer than that of the top five continental European countries regimes combined. Also, it finds roots in the Magna Carta, Montesquieu, Locke, Greek and Roman law, and occurred a couple centuries into the colonization of north America by Europeans. There was a war, wages by natural born americans. Not precisely thin air.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:00 | 4814626 NidStyles
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It's a piece of paper dude, it's about time you start living in reality and stop trying to force everyone to live the way you want them to, as the path you are forcing only leads to Fascism.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:02 | 4814621 NidStyles
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Your ignorance is disgusting, especially since you're on the damn internet already.

 

The term comes from Attila the HUN. The Chinese descendant of the Mongol Hordes that invaded and built an empire in Central Europe. Calling the Germans the Huns during both World Wars was an insult. Fuck me you people are ignorant and you haven't the right to be excused for it. It takes ten seconds to do a search on this stuff.

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4815338 FeralSerf
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"Your ignorance is disgusting . . ." ". . . Attila the HUN. The Chinese descendant of the Mongol Hordes . . ."

Do you have any more tidbits of "knowledge" and "history" for us, Nimrod?

"Attila the Hun, was the ruler of the Huns from 434 until his death in 453. He was leader of the Hunnic Empire, which stretched from the Ural River to the Rhine River and from the Danube River to the Baltic Sea."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila

Your ignorance is indeed disgusting!

"It takes ten seconds to do a search on this stuff."

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 00:44 | 4815999 The_Dude
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I think if you read the wiki you linked, you will note that the Huns were decendants of Mongolian tribes that set up shop in central Europe after rampaging their way across asia...european tribes beat feet since they were no match for this militarily advanced bunch until they could regroup later....lots of raping and pillaging in the mean time. It is likely why you still see 5-10% of Europeans with Mongolian spots  ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot ) reflecting the genetic mix.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 19:29 | 4817032 FeralSerf
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The wiki I linked says: "The origin and language of the Huns has been the subject of debate for centuries. According to some theories, their leaders at least may have spoken a Turkic language, perhaps closest to the modern Chuvash language. One scholar suggests a relationship to Yeniseian. According to the Encyclopedia of European Peoples, "the Huns, especially those who migrated to the west, may have been a combination of central Asian Turkic, Mongolic, and Ugric stocks."

This is a long way from Mongolia. You appear to be confusing Atilla the Hun (Hungarian) with Genghis Kahn who invaded Europe nearly 1,000 years later. They no doubt left some of their DNA in Eastern Europe before retreating.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:10 | 4814797 shovelhead
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Germans ARE English people.

Anglo-Saxon ring a bell?

Not to mention those pesky Norsemen of various stripes.

Of course nobody likes to talk about the Italians dipping a wick in the gene pool.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:24 | 4815367 FeralSerf
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Another history challenged idiot. Isn't history taught in any American schools?

The Saxons did indeed invade England in the 4th Century and fuck with the Romans. That does NOT mean the English are Germans.

The Norman French invaded England (successfully) in 1066. Do you think that makes the English Frenchmen?

There is a very definite French influence in the English language, but it is neither French or German.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:32 | 4814552 snodgrass
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Not only that, most hispanics have a low IQ, little use for education, are prone to joining gangs because they are tribal rather than individuals in nature, and reproduce like rats. If they were such a boon to the countries they dominate, they would not immigrate. Their countries are crime ridden oligarchies and they are bringing that same system to this country. Just look at Calif. if you want to know what will happen in the rest of the US. The state is chronically broke, there are gangs everywhere, and corruption is the order of the day.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:48 | 4814741 Cathartes Aura
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so wait, you blame the "mess" of Calif. government / elected officials looting the coffers

on "Mexicans"?

Their countries are crime ridden oligarchies

and you blame THEM for "bringing it to" YOUR imaginary nation-state-uncorrupted-by-white-banking-class-corporatist enclave?  no one else but these "low IQ" folks?

you have more problems than you can even imagine blaming someone else for. . .

 

 

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:55 | 4814755 in4mayshun
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Funny. I live in Ca and I could say you just described some of the neighborhoods near my home........oh except they're white people.

Maybe it's possible that they way you live depends on the way you were raised....regardless of race.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 19:25 | 4815372 FeralSerf
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I would like to see some evidence that the Mexican IQ is demonstrably lower than that of non-Mexican Americans.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 22:13 | 4815755 SF beatnik
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SNODGRASS: 

Well put, Mr. Snodgrass. Not so sure about the low IQ part, but I do think it will be a long time before the Hispanics from down south exit the low end ranks of the U.S. econony. Consider attendees at major conventions in San Francisco. Cisco, Java, Apple Developers Conference.  People from all over the world, but almost no Hispanics or blacks.  My sympathies to the poor, desperate Hispanics who come here, but The U.S. cannot decently monetize low skill labor for the people who are already here. Blacks especially should oppose the illegal immigration. My sense of the Hispanics (chiefly from Mexico, Nicaragua, and El Salvador) is that, taken together, they are not like the Europeans of old in their cultural attainments or their motivations for coming here.  Many of them come with an attitude of entitlement and dreams of "Reconquista". Pretty fucking scary! I would view amnesty as a grave error, one that endangers the viability of the nation.
Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:42 | 4814584 Monty Burns
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What ou've just written is a HATE Fact.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:48 | 4814593 Cloud9.5
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Third generation Mexican American, voted for Ron Paul in the last election, never been arrested, have three degrees, both kids are lawyers, don’t speak Spanish and am a member of the NRA.

 

Oh, and I did do some yard work and picked some fruit while I was growing up.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:52 | 4814608 TBT or not TBT
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Anecdote.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:26 | 4814688 CH1
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"Anecdote" = Don't fuck with my beliefs! My self-image is tied to them!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:27 | 4816697 TBT or not TBT
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The plural of anecdote isnt "data"....or some such formulation. Data is the hundreds and thousands of births handled each year by just about every county/municipal hospital in the USA entirely on the dime of taxpayers and insurance premium holders to the benefit of illegals pushing out their anchor babies.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:41 | 4814728 RafterManFMJ
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Gratz; golf clap.

...now, I wonder how those other 20 million are doing, the ones with an average 5th grade education?

Say, I wonder what the crime/welfare uptake is by those 20 million?

Whatever; I, for one, am happy to pay to provide welfare and free medical care for our imported friends while I get to sit on stick and spin.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:52 | 4814749 snodgrass
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Yes and I'm the King of England.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:01 | 4814773 Miffed Microbio...
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I applaud your achievement cloud but you are the exception not the rule.

75% of the TB I isolate is from Mexican illegal aliens. So far, all of the XDR cases have been from Mexico as well. We must place them under house arrest because most aren't compliant with medication ( you can't drink while on these meds is one of the reasons). I have worked at a public hospital and was shocked what I saw. 11 year old Mexican girls in the labor room. I guess when you have wide enough hips you get busy popping them out.

I'm sorry but you just get very tired of all the massive amount of money being spent on these people especially when you hear the cries how much in taxes they contribute. Ok, they pay 8% sales tax. I pay 50% State and Federal tax as well as Sales tax. Sorry,I don't think this is equitable. Free college tuition? My children didn't have that opportunity. Free medical? Social services? Welfare? God, I wonder why they come here.

It was enlightening to see how the Mexicans treated the South American illegal immigrants passing through Mexico to come to USA. The ones that made it here alive were beaten severely. I guess they didn't like the competition.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:25 | 4814829 Pure Evil
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The reason the Mexicans beat the hell out their southern border jumpers is too make sure they don't get any ideas about settling down in Mexico.

Mexico is doing everything it can to encourage its own poor to move to the US. They don't want the poor from Central and South America moving to their country to fill the void left by their own poor leaving.

Any that are stupid enough to try and settle down are arrested and sent to prison.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:47 | 4814891 Cathartes Aura
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so convenient for people here to blame the humans working the systems around them, rather than REALISE its the folks who enact, and enFORCE the systems that could be their target.

but this is the story of "history" - get humans to identify with social structures, pit 'em against each other, draw imaginary national borders, impoverish and corrupt one "side" while offering incentives to challenge the "border" - thus keeping the militarized policing on the .gov teat of toys from the MIC, and eventually turning each nation into "war zones". . .

but yeah, it's the individual's fault for "taking advantage" of the possibility of a "better" life as the systems unwind around them.

hate 'em!! hate the poor!! hate the obese!! hate the sick, the undernourished, the disabled, hate anyone not like YOU. . . just keep stirring that ole pot of hate, letting off steam.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:19 | 4814985 Pure Evil
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:48 | 4815044 Cathartes Aura
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when you can't think of anything to say, but really NEED to be seen,

on ya go.

post club, not fight club, groupthink downvotes en masse...

 

Someone found the future as a statue
In a fountain
At attention looking backward in a
Pool of water

Wishes with a blue
Songbird on his shoulder
Who keeps singing over everything

Everything means nothing to me
Everything means nothing to me
Everything means nothing to me

I picked up the song and found my picture
In the paper
The reflection in the water shouted
"Are your men still

Trying to salute
People from a time when he was
Everything he's supposed to be?"

Everything means nothing to me

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:43 | 4815169 Pure Evil
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Shut the fuck up and ladle your horseshit to someone else like CH1.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 22:51 | 4815834 Cathartes Aura
Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:19 | 4814809 Lost Word
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So, Cloud 9, do you consider yourself as "United States citizen",

or as "Mexican American" ?

Do you celebrate the Fourth of July,

or Cinqo de Mayo ?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:24 | 4814995 Pure Evil
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It has to be Cinqo de Mayo cause July 4th is construct created by the slave owning white upper class of America's racist colonial past.

Remember folks, Ole Glory flew over the land of the slaves long before the Confederate Jack.

And, all those old elegant mansions in Conneticut were built with monies from shipbuilding that was used to transport those slaves to the southern states.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:55 | 4815326 snodgrass
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Oh shut the fuck up. Slavery has been the norm all over the world and is still common in Africa. The people who started the transatlantic slave trade were Arabs and Jews. Later the Europeans and English got involved. The English ended it while it continued to prevail in China, Africa and most other parts of the world. Less than 10 percent of the American population owned slaves, including blacks. No one has been a slave in this country for 150 years so shut the fuck up with your bitchin or get the hell out of my country.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 20:40 | 4815375 Pure Evil
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How is this your country douche bag?

What did you do? Fight the American Revolution all by yourself?

And, even if it is, then your doing a shitty job managing it.

How did you let the likes of Obama get the position of CEO?

Why is it you let in just about any retard that wants to come here?

How come you got so many crooks running the Federal Government and Wall Street?

If anyone needs to be kicked out its you for doing such crap ass job of running your country into the cesspool.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 22:24 | 4815672 snodgrass
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I'm one person moron and don't control the voting patterns of idiots like you who vote to keep their food stamps coming. I knew Barry Sotero was a fraud from the first but you can't convince people who want to wallow in self-righteousness by voting for a black man who'd like nothing better than to kill them.

So like the said, shut the fuck up.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 07:42 | 4816283 AnAnonymous
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Immigrants who have no desire to assimilate, who have no desire to learn our language, who view our laws with contempt, and whose loyalties remain with their "home" country are a problem.
______________________________________

So behaving the 'american' way is a problem.

It is typical of 'americans': they urge people to adopt the 'american' way and when people do it, those people are lambasted.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:43 | 4814425 TBT or not TBT
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Look at a county by county, town by town breakdown of California and you will understand. My street in the Bay Area is mostly chinese and Indian. These are the million dollars and up residents. Hispanic people commute in from the central valley to landscape, garden, tile and so on. My toddler is the only white looking kid in her Montessori. It is mostly Chinese, then indian, with one Bangladeshi kid. The parents work in STEM sector businesses.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:51 | 4814748 Cathartes Aura
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so who's to blame?

re-cognise this is a global world now, irrespective of different tax'd purposed land masses - the corporations hire the cheapest workers they can get away with.

competition, that's amrka's middle name.

on you go, get busy, plenty more where you came from.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:45 | 4814428 NOZZLE
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Idiot, try cataloging the so called lies broadcast on FOX, at least they are covering the disgusting administration of the VA by that filth ass Muslim affirmative action clown.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:25 | 4814377 TeamDepends
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If you like your Mexicans, it doesn't matter because you're going to keep your Mexicans.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:27 | 4814383 CH1
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Yeah, those sons of bitches... how dare they work on our sacred dirt!

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:41 | 4814420 G.O.O.D
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Time for the Kansas City Shuffle and immigrate to Mexico! Nice beaches, and all the gang members are in LA.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:45 | 4814429 TBT or not TBT
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In mexico the cartels are effectively the governmment, and things work smoothly if you are on with the program.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:53 | 4814453 Dr. Destructo
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What a co-in-ka-dink; they're essentially the U.S. Government as well seeing as how we strike deals and fund them.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:59 | 4814468 G.O.O.D
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Hey look kids, here is a person who used "they're" correctly. This guy musta graduated clean outa the third grade.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:10 | 4814495 Dr. Destructo
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No, I got a Bachelor of Science Degree in the proper usage of "Their" and "They're" that ran me $50k.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:14 | 4814503 G.O.O.D
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And you only have to pay 500 a month for life.. good deal

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:17 | 4814983 Cobra
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... While you were there.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:17 | 4814509 TBT or not TBT
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I see your pedantry and raise you a useless, distracting interjection.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:54 | 4814602 Dr. Destructo
Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:18 | 4814510 TBT or not TBT
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Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:44 | 4814734 RafterManFMJ
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This guy musta graduated clean outa the third grade.

Clearly not a Hispanic illegal immigrant then.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:03 | 4814471 TBT or not TBT
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Well the US Atty General did provide them thousands of semi auto rifles and pistols in hopes those would be used in crimes and be traced back to the USA, the better to propagandize that in the name of suppressing inalienable natural rights of US citizens domestically. He's been involved in a lot of treasonous undermining of our country, not the least of which was suing states for enforcing laws they passed which were carbon copies of unenforced federal law...concerning the submergence of local and state governments by the flood of poorly educated future democrats from south of the border.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:07 | 4814487 Dr. Destructo
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They also strike deals with cartels for drug bust quotas, and cartels also send their guys to war-torn nations like Syria for training with the blessing of the .govs.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:26 | 4814527 G.O.O.D
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and soon they will point the cannon at You:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ScisGFllPY

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:45 | 4814594 Dr. Destructo
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Soon?

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:12 | 4814657 G.O.O.D
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The drones are not in place yet.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 14:58 | 4814766 in4mayshun
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Still more Russian soldiers to import

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:32 | 4814550 TBT or not TBT
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Now that's getting results.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 17:45 | 4815173 Luckhasit
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"send their guys to war-torn nations like Syria for training with the blessing of the .govs."

That's what I said when I saw the vid.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:08 | 4814489 Quus Ant
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"the better to propagandize that in the name of suppressing inalienable natural rights of US citizens domestically"

Red herring that.  The US govt has picked a winner in the Mexican drug turf war- the Sinaloa cartel.  Shipped them weapons through Fast and Furious and helps them export product into Chicago. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-...

 

 

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:25 | 4814526 TBT or not TBT
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Uh, the cartels don't need long barreled semi auto rifles from US gun shops at over a thousand dollars a pop They have full auto rifles from the Mexican army and police, and of course far more practical(for crime) short barreled rifles and machine pistols made by arms manufacturers, domestically and internationally. They have purchasing departments and vast criminal operations.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:32 | 4814542 Quus Ant
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I'm sure the US government knows what they need better than you or I.  Read the article.  Pretty clear to me but then again what do I know.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 18:37 | 4815292 TBT or not TBT
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They gladly took the guns given to them by Holder and Obama via Fast and Furious, even though they weren't the ideal weaponry they can get cheaply without roundabout, a few at a time straw purchases and gunrunning across the border. They can buy exactly what they want in quantity.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:42 | 4814423 TeamDepends
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If they came here legally, fine.  If not, and we all know millions upon millions have not, then they are criminals.  The dirt here may not be sacred to you but it must be to them, if they are willing to risk their lives to cross the border.  Ask one of them how a Guatemalan or anyone else is treated when caught sneeking across THEIR southern border.  Answer:  It ain't pretty.  Tired of the hipocrisy.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:45 | 4814431 Quus Ant
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It's not THEIR border and it's not YOUR border.  They BOTH belong to the US govt. by and for oligarchs.  Pick a side already.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 12:58 | 4814465 Dr. Destructo
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Yeah but apparently it's easier to attack the symptom rather than the underlying issues.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 13:34 | 4814559 NidStyles
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Sure, the sooner people realize the cause is rampant absolutism that leads to statism and superiority complexes, the sooner this territorial BS can stop, and the sooner everyone will stop empowering those assholes that start wars that we and our families are forced to fight in.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 15:48 | 4814896 The Wedge
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Absolutism? LOL Superiority complex? That's human nature. It's not that complicated. The day that ends is the day humans don't exist anymore. If you think this is territorial you're mistaken. If you think open boarders, as you imply, will somehow end wars, you might be right. But the trade off will be enslavement and several billion removed from existence. But I doubt it because I know human nature. Man has an insatiable lust to seek power over others and so there will always be one clan or another fighting for power.

Nope, open southern (notice we are not talking about open northern or international boundaries) boarders is about asymmetrically controlling you. Using one group of people against another.

Sun, 06/01/2014 - 16:09 | 4814952 BeansMcGreens
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That lust for power is called the sin nature of mankind (and womankind). It goes on from the igloos and grass huts all the way to the Fifth Avenue penthouse.

 And remember "Its for the children".

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