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Coasting Towards Zero

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Submitted by Howard Kunstler via,

In just about any realm of activity this nation does not know how to act. We don’t know what to do about our mounting crises of economy. We don’t know what to do about our relations with other nations in a strained global economy. We don’t know what to do about our own culture and its traditions, the useful and the outworn. We surely don’t know what to do about relations between men and women. And we’re baffled to the point of paralysis about our relations with the planetary ecosystem.

To allay these vexations, we just coast along on the momentum generated by the engines in place — the turbo-industrial flow of products to customers without the means to buy things; the gigantic infrastructures of transport subject to remorseless decay; the dishonest operations of central banks undermining all the world’s pricing and cost structures; the political ideologies based on fallacies such as growth without limits; the cultural transgressions of thought-policing and institutional ass-covering.

This is a society in deep danger that doesn’t want to know it. The nostrum of an expanding GDP is just statistical legerdemain performed to satisfy stupid news editors, gull loose money into reckless positions, and bamboozle the voters. If we knew how to act we would bend every effort to prepare for the end of mass motoring, but instead we indulge in fairy tales about the “shale oil miracle” because it offers the comforting false promise that we can drive to WalMart forever (in self-driving cars!). Has it occurred to anyone that we no longer have the capital to repair the vast network of roads, streets, highways, and bridges that all these cars are supposed to run on? Or that the capital will not be there for the installment loans Americans are accustomed to buy their cars with?

The global economy is withering quickly because it was just a manifestation of late-stage cheap oil. Now we’re in early-stage of expensive oil and a lot of things that seemed to work wonderfully well before, don’t work so well now. The conveyer belt of cheap manufactured goods from China to the WalMarts and Target stores doesn’t work so well when the American customers lose their incomes, and have to spend their government stipends on gasoline because they were born into a world where driving everywhere for everything is mandatory, and because central bank meddling adds to the horrendous inflation of food prices.

Now there’s great fanfare over a “manufacturing renaissance” in the United States, based on the idea that the work will be done by robots. What kind of foolish Popular Mechanics porn fantasy is this? If human beings have only a minor administrative role in this set-up, what do two hundred million American adults do for a livelihood? And who exactly are the intended customers of these products? You can be sure that the people of China, Brazil, and Korea will have enough factories of their own, making every product imaginable. Are they going to buy our stuff now? Are they going to completely roboticize their own factories and impoverish millions of their own factory workers?

The lack of thought behind this dynamic is staggering, especially because it doesn’t account for the obvious political consequence — which is to say the potential for uprising, revolution, civic disorder, cruelty, mayhem, and death, along with the kind of experiments in psychopathic governance that the 20th century was a laboratory for. Desperate populations turn to maniacs. You can be sure that scarcity beats a fast path to mass homicide.

What preoccupies the USA now, in June of 2014? According to the current cover story Time Magazine, the triumph of “transgender.” Isn’t it wonderful to celebrate sexual confusion as the latest and greatest achievement of this culture? No wonder the Russians think we’re out of our minds and want to dissociate from the West. I’ve got news for the editors of Time Magazine: the raptures of sexual confusion are not going to carry American civilization forward into the heart of this new century.

In fact, just the opposite. We don’t need confusion of any kind. We need clarity and an appreciation of boundaries in every conceivable sphere of action and thought. We don’t need more crybabies, or excuses, or wishful thinking, or the majestic ass-covering that colors the main stream of our national life.


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Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:47 | 4817404 astoriajoe
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Starting at an altitude of 6 miles, a 747 can glide about 90 miles after losing engine power.

I'm not quite sure what our economy can do.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:49 | 4817407 Ahmeexnal
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Like being in the middle of a crowd in the Bronx and shouting "YO MOMMA!".

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:52 | 4817421 insanelysane
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A 747 at an altitude of 6 miles high can "glide" for 6 vertical miles before reaching zero.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:55 | 4817428 Ahmeexnal
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How many seconds is that?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:02 | 4817453 pods
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Can't wait till we are Less than Zero and are forced to give BJs to support a drug habit before dying in the back of a convertible.


Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:26 | 4817527 elephant
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Nice... a convertible, huh?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:52 | 4817979 max2205
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But Congress will take care of us.....that's why they make the big bucks

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:51 | 4818167 RafterManFMJ
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The rattiest beat-to-fuck convertible with the top down on a summer's eve. be it a LeBaron, a sunfire or what ever, is better than any 50K sedan.


And a stick 5 or 6 speed, rowing them gears is better than any 9 speed tranny you buy from GM or buy on Craigslist.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 07:11 | 4819563 KnightTakesKing
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9 speed tranny?
Let's leave sexual identity politics out of this conversation.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 09:18 | 4819792 Georgia_Boy
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I know it was a joke, buy you can't ignore it. because next up, the social justice warriors start lobbying for Obamacare to pay for the surgeries. The Chinese use their money to buy gold while American money goes to lawyers to break up marriages and surgeons to chop off d!cks, we'll see what happens in 30 years.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 10:51 | 4820044 STP
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Better yet, a four speed, like a Muncie M-21 or a Borg Warner Super T10.  The T10 is in my '74 Corvette Stingray and I agree rowing the gears is a blast.  I'll say this though, 400 miles last weekend, though, left my neck and shoulders sore!  You better be a MAN to drive one of these or at least suffer like one!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 00:31 | 4819224 THX 1178
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He means a refrigerator box converted into a shelter.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:25 | 4819297 NidStyles
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Hey a can of expanding foam and a shiv and you can make that fridge into something pretty warm in the winter.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 04:20 | 4819461 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is not to recommend storage of radioactive isotope in same refrigerator!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 05:55 | 4819511 new game
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slap those veins and take one last speed ball and go out in a glazed eyed look, zombie style!

sugar, trinkets, and gas fumes- all on debt for fiat...

now that is exceptionalism (with drones flying over head taking out brown eaters).

can't wait...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 05:51 | 4819508 Offthebeach
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You might be better getting a few sheets of chip board and latex paint.
I think board except were cut would last a year.
I've seen heavily waxed, coated cardboard.
Nothing beats a van down by the river. The new American log cabin.
used to be 40acres and a mule, but now EBT and a Section 8 Babymomma.
Oh, and a Obamaphone to call Dominoes for 2 for 1 large cheese and free 2 liter Coke and shoot and kill the delivery old white laid off fuk for $30 and street cred.


Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:19 | 4817675 kridkrid
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I just learned last weekend that American Psycho was written by the same man (the books that the movies are mostly based on, not the screenplays). It was in a conversation about the kid out in Santa Barbara.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 00:39 | 4819238 AUD
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I think that movie 'Fight Club' borrowed liberally from American Psycho, which I thought was a good read, even though I had to skip some pages.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:45 | 4817752 debtor of last ...
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Well, with a transgender as head of the FED, you'll have nothing to worry about.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 10:41 | 4820007 James-Morrison
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You ain't seen nothing yet.

Wait until trans-species takes hold of the collective.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 18:58 | 4818370 BlindMonkey
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I ain't going like him.  

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 19:12 | 4818413 stuman
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Bet the stereo will be playing something about it being hazy and Winter ;)

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:37 | 4817728 SheepDog-One
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Seconds we've got, minutes...not so much.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:59 | 4819352 TheMerryPrankster
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no seconds for anyone . we barely have firsts.

25% on food aid per Drudge and others.

grreeeeen shooooots popppping up everywhere, watch for trap doors though.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:11 | 4817486 BuddyEffed
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That's a bullshit number pulled out of the arse.

At speed, a 747 is moving 9 miles a minute or better.  I'd give it 20 to 30 miles. 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:22 | 4817513 NotApplicable
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Talk about bullshit numbers! 747's have never flown 20 to 30 miles high!


reading comprehension is your friend

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:29 | 4817683 BuddyEffed
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My code runs on several avionics boxes, including TCAS, Weather Radar, Antiskid breaking, etc.  I thought it was obvious 20 to 30 miles of coasting was implied.   

Below site implies it's even farther.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:56 | 4817792 NotApplicable
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I think the word "VERTICAL" negates your implications, rendering your rebuttal moot, regardless of the fact that you're an avionics coder.

I even stuck my toungue out and everything so that you might notice.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 10:55 | 4820058 Matt
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Without engine power, the 747 won't be doing 9 miles per minute for long. Probably slow to 50 miles per hour fairly quick. The link you gave, most people give an optimal range of 80 to 100 miles.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:38 | 4817556 Ahmeexnal
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Hey "buddy"...comprende the difference between vertical and horizontal?
Now go back to watching "dancing with the stars".

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:18 | 4817862 OceanX
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Does it really matter?


Speed doesn't kill, impact does...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 02:05 | 4819360 TheMerryPrankster
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Actually not impact as much as velocity on impact. Say you are going 200 mph and suddenly you aren't. all that energy has to dissipate and so your organs are turned to pulp.

you can walk into a brick wall and the impact is minimal because your walkingnvelocity is minimal. scale for speed and watch the damage accrue.

Velocity is like compound interest for matter.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:24 | 4817685 Poundsand
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On a steep enough flight plan, the survival rate for all passengers drops to zero.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:28 | 4817885 what's that smell
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guns don't kill; fingers doo.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:24 | 4817686 Poundsand
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On a steep enough flight plan, the survival rate for all passengers drops to zero.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:33 | 4817710 Mr Pink
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Clicked on article because I thought it was about silver

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 02:07 | 4819366 TheMerryPrankster
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Silver is dead, buried next to the Lone Ranger. Possibly murder/suicide. Proper authorities investigating. tonto to be on dancing with the stars. Likely dance partner Barbara walters or ben bernanke.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:07 | 4818037 tradebot
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Over the indian ocean?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 18:33 | 4818287 jerry_theking_lawler
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In that case it can stay airborn like...forever.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 20:24 | 4818579 kaiserhoff
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I blame B D Cooper.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 20:55 | 4818670 Pitchman
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“The mind is like a parachute.  It doesn't work unless it's open” - Frank Zappa

Liberty vs. Tyranny: Psyops and Responsibility The Banality of "Willful Blindness"


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:44 | 4819332 disabledvet
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This might be true...but can Howie Baby here explain "frome whence do I become informed of said transgressions?"

By all means tell me "the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post" etc.

Right now we all get our news from "if the bone's sticking out of the skin it's probably broken" Zero Hedge.

An uninformed voter is, well...a non voter actually.
So what is the lie we're supposed to be parroting this time?

Don't tell me it's "victory on the battlefield" and "Hitler's phantom divisions" when we never really went to Battlestations to begin with.

Clearly this is not a case of "outreach" either.

Hmmmmmm. "Fe, fi, fo, fum....

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 10:45 | 4820021 James-Morrison
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Don't eat the yellow snow.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:51 | 4817413 Winston Churchill
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Fly like a BRICS.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:06 | 4817452 Dr. Engali
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Is that before or after it disappears?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:10 | 4817477 Bernanke'sDaddy
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Yes, that's all well and good, but how about if it has to be remotely maneuvered into skyscrapers or military installations?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:28 | 4820372 markpower49
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Kunstler is a progressive moron.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:48 | 4817408 Hulk
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He's correct, we have lost our fucking minds. OT a bit, here is Kunstler on  depressive architecture in our cities. Very funny too.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:52 | 4817422 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Our elites have created a monster of a society for the simple reason they do not want to really lead us. They want to induge themselves in an endless manner. Everything of value is being neglected. This is the end result.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:07 | 4817471 Hulk
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Well put !!!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:11 | 4817483 Sudden Debt
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it's not the elites fault.
We've all voted for the popular guys without caring or knowing what they where going to do.
We've voted for morons because it was the cool thing to do.
and that's not biting us in the ass.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:32 | 4817544 sondernauch
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Sorry, SD, they get no pass from me. The fish rots from the head down.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 21:26 | 4818744 TheReplacement
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In a country like this, the head is the people.  The head has gone all stupid and now the body is running things.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:40 | 4817735 SheepDog-One
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The guys who actually run things didn't get there by a clownshow election, that's for sure.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:20 | 4818080 Dugald
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You voted for morons, because you are all morons....

And.....what do two hundred million American adults do for a livelihood? And who exactly are the intended customers of these products?

By George I do belive he's got that's two of us, as for the rest, nah not so much.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 05:58 | 4819513 Offthebeach
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Pepsi or Coke.

If voting mattered, it would be illegal.

You don't have choice.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:15 | 4817663 Cathartes Aura
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if you like your elites, you can keep your elites.

I certainly lay no claim to them. . . nor do I expect them to "lead us" - apart from overall guiding their vision, I'm sure "they" are quite content to let shit fall apart while they continue to skim the cream off the top via numerous taxes & permits/license schemes - no doubt "they" leave the bumbling to the lesser .gov employees on the massive waged .gov "worker" chains.

Everything of value is being neglected

everything they value is being fully paid attention to, well-cared for.  whatever you "value" is of no concern to them.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:48 | 4819336 disabledvet
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What kind of "elite" stands idly by while his money is devalued?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:03 | 4818022 Anusocracy
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Only those people who are not fully functional need leaders.

Like children.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:40 | 4818137 g speed
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there is a word for that---hedonism

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 08:26 | 4819669 drendebe10
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The voting brainstems may continue to re-elect their ruling political elite but their is absolutely no excuse for the elwcted turds self centered, corrupt behhavior in pursuit of personal power, self emrichment, and maintenance of their individual grand imperial lifw styles. Behavior reflectss personality and all of the ruling political elite behave like sociopaths.  Perhaps the honirable and good men and women of the serbices may be targeting the wrong enemy.


Dr. Ben Carson for President 2016

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:00 | 4817445 TBT or not TBT
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The mental rot arrived via academia and the long march through the institutions. Postmodern "my truth". Money backed only by force, no longer by Value. Rereading the basic law of the land to extend regulation of interstate commerce to include intra-state non-commerce(the 30's) then allowing punishment of individual citizens for failure to engage in commerce. Preposterous notions being spun into entire university courses, even degree programs, supported by a bottomless well of federal loan money.... After all, it is from the tyrannical academia that all this springs. Take Harvard trained philosopher king President Wilson, please. Lawless tyrant almost up to Obama-Holder standards.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 10:50 | 4820042 James-Morrison
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I feel like I live in district 11, so far removed from the capital.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:56 | 4818000 epicurious
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The problem with Kunstler is that he has an acute sense of imperfection.  Which means that he he expends his energies decrying the inadequacies of life with great bombamastic exclamation and has almost zero to contribute to the construction of alternative application of processes.  He can tell you the world sucks but has limited ideas for how we move into a better future.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 07:42 | 4819600 BandGap
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That was excellent, Hulk. Thank you for starting my day off with the right mindset.


Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:52 | 4817420 NotAMathWhiz
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Yeah, sorry, I was going to read all of this, but Judge Judy is on...

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:56 | 4817434 NotApplicable
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I was gonna read it, too!

Then I remembered that this is the idiot who voted for Obummer...


Why do these still "wet behind the ears" kids think they've got all of the answers when they don't even yet understand the problems?

Kunstler is too damned dumb to realize he's only offering a shinier version of the facade. His opinion on reality isn't even worth considering.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:59 | 4817439 Dr. Engali
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What's this have to do with Apple's big event? Where are the iGadget stories?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 13:59 | 4817442 TideFighter
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I think that coyote is gay...always chasing a bird and no pussy.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 06:30 | 4819539 barre-de-rire
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obviously you never ate birds

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:31 | 4817448 sondernauch
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There is no society anymore. "We" are a bunch of radically individualized particular individuals who are afraid to name the crooks who have run the country into the ground.


Oh, and JH Kunstler is a leftist who hates America with a burning passion. He is not here to help by any means. And he is a terribly bad prognosticator. His only redeeming writings involve improving our architectural asthetics. Past that, I have learned to ignore him.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:01 | 4817449 pods
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I was at a college graduation last week, at a women's college. You would not believe the tripe coming out of the one speaker I could stand to listen to.

We are FUCKED. Same speech that I heard many years ago when I got out. With the occasional male bashing thing tossed in.

But it was the same old change the world BS that has been going on forever. I stared in amazement at how much misplaced hope was floating around that place.

All the puffy talk about being a unique snowflake:

" Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."


Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:12 | 4817487 FredFlintstone
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When the beast of burden gives up, the cart stops in the middle of the road. Gotta keep them all filled with some hope. Otherwise it all ends now.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:26 | 4817530 NotApplicable
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Makes me glad I moved out of State U. town waaaaay out into the woods.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 18:03 | 4818194 RafterManFMJ
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Pods ... At a women's collage? WTF? I do hope you were wearing a black duster and wearing the mask?

You think I misspelled? Did I, now?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 09:39 | 4819847 pods
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Well it was for my niece, but she is sort of a budding anarchist.  For a science project a long time ago she asked about possible ideas. I told her about the whole CO2 Global warming thing. So I suggested setting up two terrariums, one with ambient CO2, and the other pumping in CO2 from a yeast reactor to show just how terrible CO2 was.  The growth in the CO2 enriched one grew much faster and better and she won the fair.  I had been pumping CO2 into aquariums for years to increase the plant growth and health.

It is the little things that change people's thinking.  I was able to let her see through dogma.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:31 | 4820177 Matt
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Yep, more CO2 is definitely great for algae. Will be nice not to have all those non-algae things in the oceans.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:06 | 4817460 Derezzed
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This nation deserves it ...

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:05 | 4817463 Tortuga
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"In just about any realm of activity this nation does not know how to act."

When pundits gonna learn that generalizations make them look phony?

100% - 47% lofo's-1%'ers = 52% of us that know exactly how to act.

There's only one solution and it's scary.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:10 | 4817481 samsara
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If I told you once I told you a million times it only makes them phony to those who don't appreciate hyperbole without the /Sarc  keyword to tip you off...

Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression,

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:54 | 4819344 disabledvet
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Also term "New York Yankee" meaning "I piss you off so much your head explodes."

It hasn't made it into the high faluttin lexicon yet...but we're gettin there.

If only those asshole intellectuals weren't in the way we'd be....

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:18 | 4817505 NotApplicable
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Anybody who believes that "nations" are capable of "action" comes off far worse than a phony.  He's clearly displaying he is an absolute idiot who cannot differentiate between collective abstractions and the individual humans who comprise his sample.

Yet he apparently gets paid to educate the rubes.

Has divide and conquer ever been so easy in this world of "highly-educated" useful idiots?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:08 | 4817472 BuddyEffed
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"Now there’s great fanfare over a “manufacturing renaissance” in"

Statement like that are used by those at the top to buy time while they consider the separate predicaments of their subset, and of the superset, and how things might be channeled.

Too much truth risks changing the status quo quicker than desired.  But by definition, change is coming.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:08 | 4817473 Sudden Debt
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well, if you think the American powers that be are clueless... meet our EU puppets...
If we would celebrate thanksgiving they'd all be running for their lives...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:55 | 4819345 disabledvet
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That's so funny I think I'm the only person who gets it.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:10 | 4817476 Solarman
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You are onto something.  They are playing Game Theory, on who will concede something first.  But in the meantime they are just fine with the status quo.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:12 | 4817657 andy_pandy
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its not game theory its pain theory; national politics is irrelevant and the national politicians cant even see it now; sod it, they STILL dont have any real solutions about how to manage the information revolution but what the heck, its just the power surge running through their veins that keeps them going


So Mr. (Career) Politician where exactly are the millions upon millions of highly trained well educated millenials gonna work in  the future and if most aint gonna work, how they gonna live and whos paying for the baby boomers if and when they ever retire


What exactly are your policies, Mr Politician, excuse me its your job to know this stuff;  otherwise take the door named EXIT

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:10 | 4817480 10mm
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I know were fucked every morning I walk outside.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:13 | 4817488 cougar_w
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The example of robotics saving American manufacturing is a great one. There is so much cognitive dissonance on display in things like that you have to wonder if there is even one sane person left operating at the upper echelons of the nation, public or private.

Memo to the elites: You guys are so disconnected from reality you risk becoming irrelevant in the daily operations of the nation, if you have not already become so. All the "power" you think you wield matters for nothing at some point, you'll be like the emperor of the duck pond -- nobody will notice nor care. And this is not a gain for the nation, because while you were paddling around in circles in the weed-choked swamp of the nation the rest of us are forced to come up other ways of living. And who says we're going to float all the boats out there when we do it? What if slavery starts to look attractive again? What if we decide federal government was a bad idea? What if some parts of the nation decide they don't want to maintain highways into other parts? Or for that matter if the idea of "national union" has outlived its utility? You fuckers won't have much of a playground when the states decide to starve your corrupt asses to death.

The elites aren't listening. Good. Nobody will miss them once they are gone.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:25 | 4817523 drendebe10
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Maybe the good and honorable men and women of the services are targeting the wrong enemy.... maybe....

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:55 | 4817610 War_is_Peace
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There's a reason they are kept on bases thousands of miles away...

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:43 | 4817571 GooseShtepping Moron
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Very good, Cougar. I find that view of the future more probable than most others, although I'm still hesitant to affirm certain aspects of it. Predictions about the future of this incredibly complicated and decaying world are notoriously difficult to make.

One thing I'm fairly certain of is that we do not have the capital to maintain our existing infrastructure. If the decisions about what to maintain and what not to maintain become pawns in the battle of crass local politics, I shudder to think what those decisions will be.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:36 | 4820191 Matt
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Without gas tax revenues, a lot of roads probably will stop being maintained. The robots may take a lot of manufacturing jobs, but don't worry there will be tens of millions of "jobs" as subsistance farmers, tenant farmers, sharecroppers. 

To see a future with a lot less oil, just look to Cuba. Hopefully we'll have a little more freedom and thus be able to maintain slightly higher standards of living.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 18:06 | 4818203 RafterManFMJ
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Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:14 | 4817490 Smegley Wanxalot
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The author is wrong when he says we don't know what to do.  We do know, but if we do it Uncle Sam will drone us out of existence.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:17 | 4817498 JustObserving
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As things get worse in the US, we will have manipulated news and markets  and threatening enemies and the occasional false flag attacks to divert the attention of the sheeple.  Maybe, we can examine Kunstler's record on the last major false flag event in the land of the free, home of the brave:


The United States had to take Jihad seriously when Jihad hijacked airplanes and knocked down two skyscrapers and one side of the Pentagon. Kunstler

  I regard the 9/11 conspiracy theories as a fantasy and a distraction from the real problems we face



I would call Kunstler a hypocrite and an self-deceiving idiot, but he does it much better himself. The zero that we are coasting towards is your integrity and intellectual honesty, Mr Kunstler.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:28 | 4817533 NotApplicable
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I regret that I only have one upvote to give this post.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:39 | 4817564 Colonel Klink
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There, I just gave it mine too.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:27 | 4817692 Cathartes Aura
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add mine.

it's the baseline for any conversations relative to "awareness" of the current "reality" - you either get it, and work towards fully disengaging from their machine,

or you're not worth any more time spent than a polite nod in passing.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 07:39 | 4819594 Optimusprime
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Very well put.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:05 | 4818033 mvsjcl
mvsjcl's picture's a subject I'm always willing to chime in on, and give my approval to, too. The K-ster fails the litmus test.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:34 | 4817548 kurt
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Howard grew up in Upstate. His parents let his hair grow like a girl and dressed him in dresses, as in the fashion during the Victorian era. He was encouraged to collect insects, which the housekeeper brought. His job, which he enjoyed, was to gas them to death in a jar. Then he would carefully stick a pin through each and place them in a glass case with the latin names under them, taught to him by his tutor. At an early age he learned to hate the common man, who served him, and who he observed when leaving the Estate on rare occasions. He noted that not all common men OBEYED him and his growing hatred had its seeds.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:48 | 4817589 NoTTD
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Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:51 | 4817599 conspicio
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JH Kunstler is representative of whom the elites (TED can be so much opinionized pseudo-fantasy disguised as intellect) choose to listen and venerate. I'd put James in the ignore category for the most part but every so often he says something profound after spending an inordinate number of written words to fish around for a reason behind the profoundness and fucks it up. In this article, again, he has something profound to say (that bit about Time magazine and boundaries) but bases the whole thing on peak oil theory because it resonates with his tribe and is a foundational element of his career to date. He overshadows himself to his own detriment, and that takes conscious effort. His tribe is watching...always watching, always monitoring the speech, the thoughts, so one of their useful apparatchiks on peak oil doesn't go too far off the ranch. To be so bound like this must be stifling.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:51 | 4818168 FeralSerf
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. "Profound" is an exaggeration.


Kunstler isn't stifled.   He's using his writing talents to herd the Gentiles.  He also is aware of the problems he and his ilk face if a significant majority of the American public ever realize the role that Israelis and Ashkenazi Jooze played in 9/11.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:25 | 4817649 GooseShtepping Moron
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If you're going to make "9/11 Truth" the shibboleth of your cognizable world, you're going to end up believing some pretty wack-ass things.

First, Kunstler must be considered a stooge and an idiot for sensibly disregarding the pointless and inaccurate conspiracy theories and focusing instead on the larger geopolitical, social, economic, and energy realities which led up to, and developed from, 9/11, and which alone matter at the end of the day. How horrible of him.

And now some of you guys are saying that Edward Snowden is a "modified limited hangout" because he, too, will not endorse your peculiar theory that the US government is directly responsible for plane-bombing American citizens on 9/11.

Where does it stop? Is everyone who is not on board with your fantasy a useless tool? If so, you are sweepingly dismissing the overwhelming majority of the human race, including almost everyone who would be in a position to actually know the facts.

9/11 Truth is a most pernicious, thought-destroying acid. It is a heresy against reason and circumspection. Please give it up if you still can.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:33 | 4817708 Cathartes Aura
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one can no more give up a realised Truth, than you can turn back the clock of aging.

because if you really understand that Truth, then all the other non-sense you've put up with over your lifetime, as facades created to keep you on the culture-treadmill, also cracks wide open, and "believing" in the false systems drops away.

which is why sooo many folks resist taking that. . . step.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:15 | 4817840 GooseShtepping Moron
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Only it isn't true.

"9/11 Truth" is no more true than Global Warming is (and Al Gore described his "Awakening" to the danger posed by carbon dioxide in terms very similar to yours).

What you should be asking yourself is why you've substituted belief in in a 9/11 conspiracy theory for those beliefs which, as you say, formerly kept you on the cultural treadmill. Having had the experience of one set of beliefs falling away, you ought to have realized that all beliefs are suspect on a provisional basis until you can determine what originally went wrong with your belief-forming process.

That is the real step that most people will not take.

People err right from the very beginning when they assume (incorrectly) that the truth, whatever else it may be, must have some sort of instrumental value for them personally, or it cannot be true. But surely a moment's reflection is all that's required to demonstrate how far this is from being the case.

"9/11 Truth" is not true because it got you off the cultural treadmill; it only provided the occasion for you leaving. It is not at all true in and of itself, and if it is stubbornly asserted and reasserted in spite of its being false, it will eventually lead you to another set of ridiculous beliefs. All the true statements must harmonize with one another, so by forcing your other beliefs to harmonize with a false belief, you are simply creating delusions for yourself.

I understand the motivation for wanting to belive that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy, but in the interest of reason I have to point out that in fact it was not.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:29 | 4817889 Cathartes Aura
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no, it's only "not true" for you, and other similars to you.

I've never believed the storyline, because the actual event and subsequent ripples of government "acts" that unfolded from it perfectly fit my belief system, and all things continue to support my chosen narrative, no need to squeeze.

only folks who benefit from the current narrative continue to uphold it as "truth" - those who keep questioning will always find more reasons to stop subscribing to the overall

cultural dystopia.


Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:06 | 4818030 Overfed
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Yeah. Prior to Sept. 11, 2001, a steel-framed building had never collapsed due to fire. In fact, the eleventh floor of one of the towers had been completely gutted by fire in 1975, with no structual damage whatsoever. Then , on that fateful day, three of 'em collapsed into their own footprints at freefall speed in the same place and on the same day.

I have really nice bridge for sale. Cheap.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:48 | 4818141 GooseShtepping Moron
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I'll see your "bridge for sale" and raise you a pop quiz. Let's start with a couple of easy ones.

 Multiple Choice

1) When an object is falling under the influence of gravity, which speed would you expect it to fall at?

A) Freefall speed.

B) Some other speed.

2) When an object is falling under the influence of gravity, which direction would you expect it to fall?

A) Straight down.

B) Some other direction

Short Answer

3) What is the kinetic energy released by a jumbo jet flying into a building a 400 mph and exploding?

4) Would this quantity of energy differ if the jumbo jet was replaced by a cessna?

5) Would this quantity of energy differ from that of a fire which had broken out on a single floor in the absence of an impact by any plane?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:56 | 4818176 Overfed
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1) B. Some other speed when there are thousands of tons of structural steel designed to hold up a massive building in it's path.

2) B. Some other direction when there are thousands of tons of structural steel designed to hold up a massive building in it's path.

3) A lot. And yet the building didn't give when impacted. Imagine that.

4) Obviously.

5) Let's answer that question with a question. How do you suppose everything below the 87th floor on both buildings collapsed without being impacted by a plane? Furthermore, how did that building survive the 1975 fire with a hundred floors worth additional weight bearing down upon it? How much potential energy is that?

How do you suppose that WTC 7 collapsed in what looked just like a textbook controlled demolition when it wasn't impacted by any plane and only had smoldering low-intensity fires burning?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 01:11 | 4819280 goldsansstandard
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The WTC was under construction when asbestos was banned and a poor substitute was briefly tested and installed above the 54 th floor. Unlike the original fireproofing made of sprayed on cement and chrysotile asbestos, the new stuff was fluffy, and easily blown off in the wind.

If the asbestos fireproofing was still on the eleventh floor at the time of the fire, that would go a long way to explaining the success of minimal damage.

It is possible that the WTC might still be standing if the original asbestos fireproofing was in place.

The 911 commision mentioned this issue briefly.

It took another decade before the NSTI finally tightened up the standards to make sure that fireproofing is resistant to wind. and turbulance.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 10:36 | 4819983 Overfed
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Still totally does not explain how everything below the 87th floor collapsed straight down. Heating steel causes it to deform slowly as it loses strength. If anything, the tops of those buildings should have slowly leaned in the direction of greatest weakness at or around the point of impact. The sudden catastrophic failure we see is impossible from fire alone. Structural members would have to have been somehow destroyed or cut. There has been zero plausible explanation offered from .gov regarding the collapse of WTC 7.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:11 | 4818051 mvsjcl
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Shut the fuck up, you moron. You put a lot of words together that don't mean shit. "cultural treadmill," indeed! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:35 | 4818120 FeralSerf
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A new taxpayer supported sock-puppet!  Just what we need. (not)

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 23:31 | 4819089 StychoKiller
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Time to expand your horizons, look up Gnosticism in a search engine or wikipedia.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:10 | 4818046 29.5 hours
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@GS Moron:

"Where does it stop? Is everyone who is not on board with your fantasy a useless tool? If so, you are sweepingly dismissing the overwhelming majority of the human race..."

You've described the modus operandi of the typical 9-11 nutter. If everyone else is an enemy or stooge, they (the nutters) are absolved of any responsiblity to actually do anything -- except post on ZH obsessively until they realize ZH is an NSA front designed to cull enemies of the deep state.



Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:12 | 4818055 mvsjcl
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And another fucktwat shows up.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 03:03 | 4819414 Bear
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I hope not, for the Bear will fall

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:23 | 4818087 PhilofOz
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Let's just say next week two or three Cessnas are flown into a 40 something story building somewhere in the USA. Eight hours later, with a few spot fires still burning, the whole building simply collapses into its owm footprint in perfect uniformity. Would you really be so ignorant and stupid as to believe this collapse was as a result of those two or three small planes smashing into the side of such a monolith?!!

Of course "Lucky Larry" was only referring to getting the firemen out of the building when he said it was time to "Pull it" in regards to Building 7. Pftttt!!!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:41 | 4818145 FeralSerf
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Hey, cut the poor stupid fuck newbie some slack.  He's just doing his job as a new junior sock puppet.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 19:06 | 4818373 bunnyswanson
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Oh No You Don't

“We may well be looking at the signature of a very “advanced” nuclear device  carefully set up to produce maximum radiation.”

"The turning of the tide and a change in the “prevailing winds” in America has been caused by the realization inside the US Military High Command and loyal segments of American Intel that 9/11 was a Gladio-style, inside-job, stand-down, false-flag attack done by the World Zionists."

And the occurrence of the major Snowden disclosures of serious NSA RICO crimes of warrantless spying against all Americans and much of the world at about the same approximate time are no mere coincidence.

But the real turning point inside some top levels of American Intel, and especially the high military command, was the realization that the WZ’s used Israel, Bush Crime Cabal lackeys inside the highest echelons of the JCS, NORAD, the NSA, and the USAF with major guidance from the Mossad and the top of the Israeli Government, certain select NeoCons and PNACer Israel-American “Israeli-first” dual citizens traitors, and the top controllers of AIPAC who are covert Israeli espionage agents that have infiltrated and parasitized America.

You want names? Watch the following video and add to this the following names Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Meyers, George Bush 1 & 2.

World Zionists (WZs) can best be described as the world’s largest organized crime syndicate, the International Zionist Crime Syndicate (IZCS). They appear to soulless parasites upon the human race.They are empowered by the Zionist City of London private Central Banksters who specialize in Babylonian Money-Magick and making money from nothing (debt-based notes presented as money) and pernicious usury. They are generally recognized by numerous Intel insiders to be parasites on the world, war profiteers and mass murderers behind every major war, as well as the hidden-hand behind most drug trafficking, pornography, sex trafficking, slave labor and massive banking, mortgage fraud and other and financial frauds and scams.  Using their Imaginary debt-based pretend money, they have bought and now own almost every single US Congressperson, most Supreme Court Judges, and almost every federal judge.

It is important to note that WZs are comprised of a relatively small number and not all are Judaics. In fact World Zionisms origins go back to the “Teutonic Knights” and the European Nobility efforts to capture and dominate Jerusalem during the Crusades.  It is the same families that are still trying to occupy and control Jerusalem.  The reasons for their obsession with this will be disclosed in a later article but is related to their Luciferian beliefs and participation in “Satanic hooded black mass” worship with human sacrifice.


Do not assume if a person is of the Judaic faith, he or she is a Zionist, because most aren’t.

It is also important to note that few of the Judaic faith are Zionists, but many Judaics are conned into providing support to WZ’s financially and otherwise due to WZs playing on their Racial Survival Delusion. It is also important to note that numerous Judaics, especially some Orthodox Judaics are anti-zionist but get no media coverage due to the WZ’s hijacking of America’s Major Mass Media.

Those that the WZs don’t “own” they typically blackmail or coerce to do their will using sophisticated psyops and human compromise operations. The amount of fear most politicians and USG officials have towrds these WZ sheep-dipped as PNACers, Top NeoCons, AIPAC, the ADL and B’nai B’rith and the associated Israeli-American “Israeli-first” Dual Citizens has been monumental until lately. But now all this has been changing and much of the credit must go to the work of the Intel Cowboys inside American Intel at the mid to high ranges.

Everything will eventually be fully exposed, everything and that includes all the NSA’s massive crimes against the American People."

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 20:54 | 4818660 arby63
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Yes and no. We all know there is more to 9/11 than meets the eye. 

On the other hand (if we accept yourassumptions), then we need to start rounding up the Jews. Am I misinterpreting?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 20:59 | 4818677 samsara
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Putin Turning the Screws??


9/11: Russia Presents Evidence Against US, UK And Israel Co-Conspirators?


(Says that Snowden didn't have clearance so never saw it)

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 07:22 | 4819569 Herodotus
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Why did Cantor stay home from work that fateful day while poor old Fitzgerald arrived at his desk at 8:30am as usual?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 18:14 | 4818223 RafterManFMJ
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You are far too kind; I'd call him a cunt and a hustler - but my writing is both flowery and ribald.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:23 | 4817514 kurt
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Another Nail in the "America is Done" Coffin.

Don't believe it. This diarrhea is psy-op.

One day these a-holes will pay

One day you a-holes will pay

America is a young country born of the Elightenment, the French Revolution. Read the principles. LIBERTY does not allow for mass surviellance, spying. Writing like this article are designed to make you surrender, first in your mind, then later, in fact.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:52 | 4817600 cougar_w
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There is so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:23 | 4817684 Hulk
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Potholes. We can start with potholes and work our way up !!!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:16 | 4817666 angel_of_joy
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America is fucked.

It just happened faster than anybody (and especially the Americans themselves) thought possible...

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 18:45 | 4818329 bunnyswanson
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It's not over until the fat lady sings, angel of misery.  Stay tuned.  When 9-11 is blown wide open, the bandits in fine threads will see their wealth confiscated by the trillions and reinjected back into the economy.  Celebrations will follow.  Bring your own bottle.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 02:46 | 4819402 Mabussur
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This attitude is refreshing. After reading it i feel very refreshed. Thank you sir for this moment of freshness. Don't you all feel refreshed ?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:19 | 4821666 acetinker
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I'd bet you a dollar that bunny is female.  Been on this board awhile, and don't imagine that awareness equates to manliness.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:38 | 4821709 acetinker
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Despite the fact I defended you vis-a-vis masturbator below, the 'wealth' will not be re-invested- it will evaporate.  Bad for the peons and the oligarchs.  Good for the producers, but not a panacea for anyone. I've long believed that one day, the plumbers and garbage men will rule the world.

We cannot seem to grasp that the exponential growth of the 20th century was an anomaly.  It's over.  It's done.  It's very much analogous to a star going nova- then supernova.  The 20th century was the supernova of mankind on earth.

That which cannot be sustained will fall away.  Nature 101.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:24 | 4817517 drendebe10
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Dr. Ben Carson for President 2016

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:13 | 4817849 WillyGroper
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Farrakhan 2016

Too truthy. Rothschild & Fed

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:35 | 4817551 smacker
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Most other nations are also run by political elites and Deep State entities who don't know what to do to solve the growing crises of their making. The major difference between America and those other nations is one of scale.

The problems will be resolved when the political slimeballs are brought to account.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:18 | 4818072 mvsjcl
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I wish the problem was merely political. I'm afraid the rot runs much deeper than that. To find the source, one merely needs to identify those who create money from nothing, and use every means at their vast disposal to ensure that only they are afforded the privilege of doing so.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 20:43 | 4818629 arby63
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Bingo. And they almost all share the same heritage. Those who don't, take orders well.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:37 | 4817554 ptoemmes
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Our vital signs flatlined long ago.  Momentum is delaying the face plant.  

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:40 | 4817565 teslaberry
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what a pleasant rant of an article. 


kunt can rant. 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:47 | 4817582 NoTTD
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When judging the risks, please don't forget SkyNet.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 14:47 | 4817586 Miggy
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"The global economy is withering quickly because it was just a manifestation of late-stage cheap oil."


I just can't agree with this.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 00:48 | 4819254 Harry Dong
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Care to say why?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:26 | 4817607 williambanzai7
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The triumph of transgender?

I think Glenn Greenwald is very well placed to do a thorough expose of this propagandistic ploy by the New Statists. He already started and I encourage him to go the full Monty with it.

It goes way beyond transgenderism. It is a clandestine methodology of state oppression designed to silence all criticism.

We have seen how it works. No one can challenge the rainbow. The rainbow can do no wrong...

The Democrats have mutated into a giant squid.

As Greenwald said, first they used a black man, next it will be a woman and then it will probably be a gay man.

When will these minorities see that they are doing themselves a serious disservice by accepting the outlaw ism of the party hook line and sinker.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:32 | 4817707 zipit
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Not that transgender is mainstream, what is the next fronteir of attention seeking?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 15:46 | 4817751 Cathartes Aura
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As Greenwald said, first they used a black man, next it will be a woman and then it will probably be a gay man.

lol, and GreenWald will be so qualified for that "position".

given that "gender" is an artificial culturally constructed meme applied to humans based on what service they can perform on behalf of the state - ie, marry, breed, consume, get taxed, pay for all the necessaries, from which corporations derive their profits, enlist 'n' defend the nationstate's latest "trrrst conflict", etc.

then "transgender" is just the latest media diversion - it's been ongoing for decades, as the surgery/medical/pharma folks find it profitable to encourage - like fake plastic titties & botox for "both" sexes.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:01 | 4817808 Overfed
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I personally know  a trans-gender person, female to male. He and his wife have a (adopted, of course) son, and from what I have seen, he is an excellent father. Attentive, teaching, surprisingly conservative, and he always has time for his kid. In  fact, I have to admit that he is probably a better dad than I am a some ways. I feel truly sorry for all of them all if the SHTF and he is unable to obtain the hormones necessary to maintain his 'maleness'.

The whole LGBT thing is just another distraction to keep the sheeple from thinking about what's really going on.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:06 | 4817825 FredFlintstone
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Good for him , but society should not be footing the bill through any insurance scheme .

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