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Nigel Farage May Team Up With Italy's Beppe Grillo

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Submitted by Pater Tenebrarum of Acting Man blog,

Reuters reports that UKIP's Nigel Farage has held talks with the leader of Italy's 5-Star movement, Beppe Grillo, to explore the idea of the two parties teaming up in the European parliament.

Farage made it clear that UKIP doesn't wish to be associated with European far-right parties, which as a rule have a protectionist and statist outlook.

“The leader of Britain's anti-European Union UK Independence Party (UKIP) said on Sunday he hoped to form an alliance with Italy's anti-establishment 5-Star Movement in the European Parliament.

 

UKIP's Nigel Farage met with 5-star leader Beppe Grillo earlier this week after both parties performed strongly in European Parliament elections earlier in May.

 

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"I met Beppe Grillo last week … I am hoping we can do a deal with him and our group will sit bang in the middle politically of that parliament with a strong Euro-skeptic agenda," Farage told the BBC in an interview.

 

Forming a political group would give its members more power to support or block legislation, greater access to funding and the right to sit on committees. To form such a group in the 751-seat Strasbourg-based parliament, 25 members of parliament from seven states are needed.

 

In the new legislature, UKIP will have 24 seats and 5-Star will have 17 seats.

 

Farage repeated previous comments that he would not work with France's National Front leader Marine Le Pen, who this week struck a deal with four other Euro-skeptic parties.

 

"They come from a different political family," he said. "We want nothing to do with that party at all."

We're not surprised to hear that Farage is ruling out a coalition with Marine Le Pen's FN, but it it should be noted that the European and US mainstream media have displayed a tendency to lump all these parties together under the label 'far right'. As Justin Raimondo remarked to this:

“The "far right" meme is based on the results in France, where the National Front of Marine le Pen has for the first time won a plurality of seats in the European Parliament, and this news is usually coupled with panic-stricken reports of UKIP’s sweep across the Channel. Yet the two parties have nearly nothing in common except for opposition to the euro and the European project. The French Front is statist, protectionist , and carries red banners in the streets on May Day. UKIP is a quasi-free market split from the Tories, pro-free market and vaguely Little Englander. They aren’t opposed to immigration per se: they just want immigrants with assets, as opposed to the poorer variety.

 

The only thing these two movements have in common is opposition to the rule of Brussels, but that is quite enough for the Eurocrats and their journalistic camarilla to cast them in the role of volatile "extremists," dangerous "populists" out to tear apart the "social fabric" of Europe. One prominent Eurocrat, the former Prime Minister of Luxembourg, foresees a replay of 1914: "I am chilled by the realization of how similar the crisis of 2013 is to that of 100 years ago," intones Jean-Claude Juncker.

 

While there aren’t many Archdukes left to assassinate, whatever the similarities to 1914, the so-called right-wing populists have little to do with it. Indeed, it is the EU, in seeking to assert itself as an international power, that has ratcheted up the war danger by challenging Russia in Ukraine, allying with Washington to push NATO to the very gates of Moscow. In opposing the EU’s very existence, these parties – whatever their other characteristics – are taking on the forces that make war more likely.

Indeed, it is those striving for more centralization and a 'Federated Europe' whose  efforts are likely to end up increasing the probability of Europe getting tangled up in wars. With respect to the Ukraine and Russia, Martin Schulz, the president of the EU parliament since 2012 (soon likely to be replaced by JC 'I lie when things get serious' Juncker, a bureaucrat-politician who is a fixture in Brussels), recently said in a TV interview that the EU had nothing to offer in terms of military aggression that could be directed against Russia, so it had to make do with sanctions. To his credit, it didn't really sound as though he regretted this fact, although we cannot be 100% sure whether we interpreted his body-language and tone of voice correctly.

And yet, there are those who dream of a 'European Empire', a socialist super-state that sooner or later very likely will be deemed to need to throw around its  weight militarily as well. After all, it is all about being 'taken seriously on the world stage'. There are already a number of papers floating around which are inter alia bemoaning the 'EU's defense deficit' ('defense' meaning 'war-making capability').

The problem of the EU's political elites is that the average citizen couldn't care less about their 'weight on the world stage' and instead worries about more tangible and immediate problems that are far removed from the political elite's concerns. Hence the electoral success of parties like UKIP (and due to lack of alternatives, FN in France).

Anyway, the upshot is that if UKIP and 5-Star can form a coalition, their move will likely undercut David Cameron's reported attempts to cut off UKIP's EU funding by trying to poach  UKIP allies which hitherto were said to be 'unacceptable' to the Tories.

Lastly, the future entertainment value of the European parliament has surely been vastly increased by the election result, and that is just about the best one can hope for anyway.

 

Grillo and Farage have a laugh (presumably at Cameron)

 

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Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:26 | 4816385 NoDebt
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Oh, so THAT'S what Grillo's been up to.  I thought the elites had him quietly executed last year.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:29 | 4816389 Ghordius
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"the elites"? if you compare around the world, eu europe is still the place where oligarchs have the least power. just saying

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:49 | 4816428 BeetleBailey
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anybody that associates with George Fucking Soros is a cunt...period.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:06 | 4816477 Ghordius
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lol. this was too true for commenting, eh? keep your eyes shut

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:18 | 4816502 tip e. canoe
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might be true, but if so, maybe only cuz they're busy poking their noses in everyone else's bizness.
old habits die hard don't ya know ;~)

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:58 | 4816542 Anasteus
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You must be kidding, Ghordius. The EU is established on one genuinely undemocratic principle - it's parliament is ruled out from lawmaking initiative. All the parliament can do is approving or disapproving law proposals designed and introduced solely by the European Committee, which is an inherently oligarchic arrangement not seen in any parliament in its member countries. Not to mention common strategies being led hand by hand with the US and the massive bailouts to the European banking oligarchy to the detriment of everyone else.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:38 | 4816720 Itchy and Scratchy
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EU leadership is filled with ex-Stalinists ,ex-Leninists, ex-Maoists & a variety of communist & socialist sympathizers! 100% useless but very dangerous! The got no interest in any form of democracy or free market thinking. The people have been sold out as usual & have no idea what they are facing! Forget the 'Global Thinking' clap trap & all the cute little 'ist' type labels! The EU is determined to follow its  horrific 'socialist/communist' mantra & vision. It doesn't matter how many times it has failed tragically & how many millions have died becasue of it!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:02 | 4816793 Ghordius
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you are looking at the EU as if it was a country, or a federation. instead of an org for countries, a club of sovereign countries. in short, a treaty org

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:13 | 4816818 Itchy and Scratchy
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LOl! Good one! Tell that to the freakshow E.U.! The EU has at least 50 laws and rules on selling cabbage! Do us a favor and let go of the 'socialist dream!' It's a nightmare for all - including you!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:15 | 4816825 albanian
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Ghordius where the fuck you live in europe?stupid Fuck.
I in sweden

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:29 | 4816870 Itchy and Scratchy
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He's just another (unemployed) run-of-the-mill liberal arts educated socialist visionary who knows exactly how 'everyone else' should live & how assets should be divided! Useful idiot! 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:27 | 4816387 Ghordius
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the big story here should not be about those two founding a common party "family" in the EU parliament

the big story ought to be the fact that Cameron and the British Conservatives don't "fit" in the conservative fold on the continent

yes, we do have proponents of the superstate, we have staunch federalists, we also have confederalists which want to preserve the sovereignty of the club members aka national countries, and we have lots of reasons for skeptics to be so about the current setup

and of course we have those who think globalization will go away, if they shut their eyes very tightly

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:13 | 4816495 tip e. canoe
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don't forget that there are 2 subgroups of confederalists:

those who wish to preserve "national" sovereignty aka keep the number of members of the club at what it's at now to preserve their personal feifdoms,

and those who wish to redefine the boundaries of what "national sovereignty" actually is aka join the club on their own terms.

case in point : Catalunya.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:26 | 4816524 Ghordius
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and a third one, the "Europe of the Regions" people, aka regionalists. though they are often more federalist in their approach

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:42 | 4816732 Itchy and Scratchy
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100% are retarded for giving up their countries!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:29 | 4816388 lakecity55
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Cool.

They are right, you can't trust especially the US MSM to cover these Parties' ideology properly.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:34 | 4816395 buzzsaw99
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They have this backwards:

 

The problem of the EU's political elites is that the average citizen couldn't care less about their 'weight on the world stage' and instead worries about more tangible and immediate problems that are far removed from the political elite's concerns.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:34 | 4816397 Davalicious
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Le Pen seems to "get it". She understands that our problem is with an international group of "rootless cosmopilitans" with no loyalty to any nation in which they reside. She also understands that immigration is a fundamental problem and an attack on the people of countries with European people. Putnam's decade long study already established that multiculturalism/multiracialism makes people miserable.

I am in favour of capitalism (the real thing). But I'd give it up to to make our homeland exclusive to our own people and free of the "globalists".

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:43 | 4816412 Azannoth
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It's a hard choice between Capitalism(right to work) and Nationalism(free to prosper in your country), I hope we won't have to make it.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:01 | 4816465 BandGap
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That is precisely the choice that will be forced on us. And is exactly why all of this will lead to war.

Such a fine line between insanity and success.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:40 | 4816726 Itchy and Scratchy
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'Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither & will lose both!' - Benjamin Franklin

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 16:39 | 4817924 jefferson32
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Nationalism is a collectivism.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:50 | 4816566 verum quod lies
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Bingo; and thanks for putting it so clearly.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:37 | 4816400 MaxThrust
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Brilliant, and your right, the fun will begin as these two make a deal and get the insider knowledge on all the other committies activities.

Grillo is a fantasitc saturist and Farage a ball breakker.

 

Max

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:38 | 4816401 Itchy and Scratchy
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The EU members are 'staunch' idiots to cede power, control and leverage of THEIR soverign nations to a collection of unelected Marxists & Maoists masterminds & retard visionaries! This ain't gonna end well! What a bunch of dopes!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:42 | 4816409 SpanishGoop
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Stupid Europeans.

 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 08:44 | 4816414 Itchy and Scratchy
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Amen bro! They can't seem to shake the 'commie' dream thing! Altho not that much differnece compared to U.S. now!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:04 | 4816436 Azannoth
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My personal estimate, from people I have talked to, is that about 1 in 3 Europeans thinks Communism can work, given the right circumstances. Another 1 in 3 has blatantly Communist mentality but either does not realize it or is too afraid to admit it. Yeah the people here are seriously brain screwed.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:32 | 4816881 Itchy and Scratchy
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DNA malfunction!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 12:07 | 4817026 TahoeBilly2012
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Then there is the 'Merican progressive....I think those "ready for Hillary" take thee cake.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:08 | 4816483 Atticus Finch
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Why do you keep saying Commie when what is going on is so obviously Fascist?

Read Mussolini's definition of Fascism. These EU Parliament creeps are all in league with International Banks and Corporations, which is the very definition of Fascism.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:31 | 4816532 Ghordius
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your definition of fascism is not in line with what Mussolini defined. there is a key difference between fascist corporativism and plutocratic corporatocracy

though your definition is becoming very common, in America

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:41 | 4816555 Casserole of no...
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Most people on this site have no idea what "communism", "fascism", or "socialism" are. They just know that Fox News and the Koch brothers told them they were bad words so they run around screeching them like retarded parrots.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:52 | 4816761 thamnosma
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When anybody tosses out Fox News and the Koch Brothers, you can dismiss the person. 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:25 | 4816826 MrPalladium
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The problem is that the European socialists basically hate their fellow indigenous Europeans. The odd part of it all is that the strategies born of this hatred are all short term. The socialist haters have no long term strategy for their own survival once the population of Europe has been Africanized and Islamicized and turns upon the socialist elites who let them swarm in.

They are all products of educational institutions that are profoundly anti white, but have no strategy for survival once the whites that they hate so much are a besieged and persecuted minority. Jean Raspail was wrong in his novel "Camp of the Saints." The last indigenous European survivors will be socialists who welcome the disposession of indigenous Europeans and attempt to appease the hostile dark races that have conquered Europe by finding new victims for them to pursue and new lands to impoverish.

The winners, having much simpler elemental group survival strategies, will not be fooled.

You will note that the Japanese and Han Chinese elites are not infected with this disease, and you will note as well that the Eurocrats must conquer and destroy Russia, for absent that conquest, Russia may refuse to open its borders to the dark tide thus allowing a substantial fraction of the Indigenous European race to retain a homeland.

 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:01 | 4816462 the not so migh...
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as our leaders in the U.S. would say" FUCK THE EU!"

 

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:20 | 4816516 shovelhead
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I can see the look of horror in Junckers eyes as he has to listen to a Farage Barrage with some one liners written by Beppe.

Farage is no slouch in the humiliation department by himself but adding some cuts by the grinning master switch-blade artist could elevate things to a new level.

Euro Entertainment at it's finest.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:54 | 4816766 thamnosma
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Definitely looking forward to some fun speeches from these two.  Verhofstadt should be looking especially bad.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:25 | 4816522 Blazed
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Outstanding!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:32 | 4816536 DeliciousSteak
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I just hope they get a 3rd civil war and bomb themselves into oblivion. It would make great history. Europe killed its finest in WW1 and its been downhill ever since. Good riddance.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 09:56 | 4816583 americanspirit
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This weekend while my wife was shopping for a birthday present for her friend I sat down on a bench outside the store in an upclass downtown area here in Texas and looked forward to doing a little birdwatching. Alas, although I was there for twenty minutes or so, and while hundreds of people walked past me, I didn't see one little bird even vaguely worth looking at.  Not one pretty girl in the whole seething mass. I would say that easily 80% of the people were severely overweight - young and old. Many simply waddled - arms unable to hang down to their sides, no space at all between their thighs and - never understood this - flip flops on their pudgy little feet. None were dressed with any sense of style or good taste, although some had obviously spent a lot of money on themselves, especially the hair on the women. Ladies - why bother? Plenty of guys with way too tight T-Shirts bearing some version of "fuck you" slogans and camo-pattern pants. Lots of tattoos and piercings - how individual! Very few were having conversations with others in their group, and most had a fixed, rather bitter look on their faces. None were the least bit attractive. Most seemed, by the looks on their faces, likely to be quite stupid.

I have lived and traveled in Europe for years and I can say with certainty that if I were to spend twenty minutes in a sidewalk cafe or park anywhere in Europe I would see at least a dozen radically good-looking women of all ages, and dozens more who cared about how they looked, were dressed well, and were attractive if not pretty. I would overhear animated conversations among those passing, and would see quite a few smiling, intelligent faces. None would waddle, and there would be no flip flops, ever.

And yet Americans almost universally think of themselves as superior to Europeans. There is mass delusion in so many forms loose in this land. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:58 | 4816780 thamnosma
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OMG, great post.  On the animated conversations, that is so absolutely true.  My circle when I lived in NYC was mostly European and I so relished various debates about everything.  Americans are quite uninformed but worse uninterested. 

I couldn't agree more with the rest of your observations as well.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:36 | 4816896 QQQBall
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on NYC & Europeans. Both my children have lived and studied in Europe & Ozland - my son lived in NYC and came home to SoCal and hates it. He loved NYC and he would live in Urope if he could figure out how. The stuff he points out is true - like 7 lanes of freeway traffic in each direction with 1 person per car.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:52 | 4816965 thamnosma
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When I moved from NYC to SoCal I was shocked by how dull SoCal was.  Political discussions were impossible and the fashion was from some previous era.  On the other hand, great climate and natural beauty made up for some of it.   Home life became central while the public life is fundamental to NYC.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:05 | 4816606 Mediocritas
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It's a smart move by Farage and one I didn't expect as UKIP has little in common with the Five Star Movement (of which I am a participant).

Beppe has a lot of credibility amongst the young, the "systems thinkers", and the revolutionaries who want an entirely new democratic framework. 5 star is not a political party as such, in fact it's aim is to eliminate the party:

http://www.beppegrillo.it/en/2011/06/the_5_star_movement_between_ut.html

Farage is hitch-hiking on 5 Star's credibility moreso than the reverse and, in so doing, will gain more Continental support for UKIP from the disenfranchised. If his aim is to get the UK away from the EU, then this move makes sense because he will need both UK and Continental support to do so cleanly.

As entertaining as Farage is, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. He speaks well and is a talented showman but it doesn't take much digging to expose just another dynastic apologist, the opposite of Grillo. Farage will not dethrone the banksters, nor will he challenge the Globalists who aim to homogenize the world into bland mediocrity. He just wants USUK Globalists & Banksters to be the controller class.

Farage is staunchly Conservative. He wants to put Britain back the way it was. This is certainly an attractive option for many, though I would argue that it's only a moderate improvement for British people as the UK is not the power it once was and cannot reclaim its position. His view on Europe could be summed up as "get off my lawn (but I secretly want to stand on yours)", a common theme amongst many who call themselves "Libertarian" (and not what I consider to be a real reflection of Liberty).

Grillo is staunchly Radical. He wants to point Europe in a direction it has never yet faced and then let it run free of the traditional elite controllers, which scares the bejesus out of conservatives. Implemented gradually, direct e-democracy and anti-particracy offers a major improvement. His view on Britain could be summed up as "lose the Globalist ambitions or go fuck yourselves in your corner over there".

A union of these two only really exists around opposition to the euro and possibly getting the UK out of the EU. Otherwise they're strange bedfellows indeed.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:07 | 4816806 Ghordius
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+1 Mediocritas, finally we find something we can disagree on. I don't trust both of them. I find both are showmen

though I have to concede that when it comes to dethroning the banksters Grillo seems to be genuine in intent, as well as his direct democracy inputs

strange bedfellows, yes

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:51 | 4816955 Mediocritas
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Haha, sadly we don't disagree again. I just distrust the aims of 5star less. (Arrrgh double negatives!)

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:57 | 4816991 Ghordius
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damn, Mediocritas, agreement again. it's easy not to distrust FiveStar (double neg, too)

they debate a lot, and bend backward to give everyone a voice. I wish there was a way to keep this kind of movements this genuine in their translation to political parties

imho the only reason Grillo was not thrown out by his followers is that he keeps copyrights on his labels and website

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 10:45 | 4816741 Itchy and Scratchy
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Ask the Greeks & Cypriots how they are enjoying their EU dream come true!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:09 | 4816809 Ghordius
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Ask the Greeks if they want to go back to the Drachma (same applies to Cypriots)

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:27 | 4816845 Itchy and Scratchy
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Former Greek PM Papandreou want to give his people a referendum on that very subject. Your 'good ol' EU buddies' had him ejected out of office in 48hrs and installed their Goldman Sachs buddy to take control. Now the people have nothing and live in abject misery. They are selling off prized landmarks and beaches. Suicide and prositutions rates are soaring! 60% unemployment for those under 25% Thanks for the nice plan but you can take it and jamb up your .....! The Cypriots are still in shock after their bank acounts got raided/fleeced by the 'boys in Brusssels because they didn'tl ike the Russian money in there! They do like it in their pockets now tho! EU = pure evil!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:36 | 4816895 Ghordius
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"my good 'ol buddies" talked. the Greek Parliament acted. and threw him out, to replace him with Papademos

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 12:07 | 4817028 Itchy and Scratchy
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No offer of referrendum to regain independance plus you left out the 'ex-Goldman Sachs' part

The 'Imperialists' are excellent on picking on the weak and defeneseless types! Makes 'em look like tough guys!

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 17:00 | 4818017 Bazza McKenzie
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Greek politicians bought by the EU at the expense of their people.  The modus operandi of the EU, so cheap to buy a bag of politicians when you then get to asset strip the population.

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:31 | 4816876 Silver Exterior
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The eurozone's survival rate dropped to zero a good while ago..

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 11:34 | 4816887 Ghordius
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survival of what? people? currency? countries? laws? the eurozone hosted two world wars, last century, remember?

Mon, 06/02/2014 - 12:11 | 4817041 Itchy and Scratchy
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Wars that started for the same reasons as they will again if this EU psycho-madness isn't eradicated! Have a little peek at how things are going in the 'EU instigated' Ukraine tragedy!

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