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Eric Holder Announces Task Force To Focus On "Domestic Terrorists"
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
It’s been obvious for quite some time that the so-called “war on terror” is nothing more than a fear-mongering induced power grab; a convenient excuse to strip the citizenry of its civil liberties and humanity. Many commentators, including myself, have predicted for years that the entire counter-terror juggernaut that has been constructed post-9/11 would be ultimately redirected upon the domestic population.
Snowden’s heroic whistleblowing has already proven without a doubt that the government spy apparatus (along with tech company complicity) has been zeroed in on the domestic population for quite some time, but is the situation about to escalate? Are the feds so fearful of their own people, they are about to focus all their counter-terror energy on U.S. citizens? It appears so.
I warned about this development back in 2011 in my post: The War on Freedom. In it I stated:
This whole charade shouldn’t be called “The War on Terror.” It is actually all about keeping the citizenry terrified. The government loves keeping you in a state of fear so that then they can do anything they want to the little sheep. It should be called “The War on Freedom.” Your freedom.
Before I get to the main topic of this article, I think it’s important to read excerpts from yesterday’s powerful and timely op-ed by Noam Chomsky titled: Edward Snowden, the World’s “Most Wanted Criminal. Discussing the Snowden revelations, he writes:
These exposures lead us to inquire into state policy more generally and the factors that drive it. The received standard version is that the primary goal of policy is security and defense against enemies.
The doctrine at once suggests a few questions: security for whom, and defense against which enemies? The answers are highlighted dramatically by the Snowden revelations.
To defend state power and private economic power from the domestic enemy, those two entities must be concealed – while in sharp contrast, the enemy must be fully exposed to state authority.
The principle was lucidly explained by the policy intellectual Samuel P. Huntington, who instructed us that “Power remains strong when it remains in the dark; exposed to the sunlight it begins to evaporate.”
Huntington added a crucial illustration. In his words, “you may have to sell [intervention or other military action] in such a way as to create the misimpression that it is the Soviet Union that you are fighting. That is what the United States has been doing ever since the Truman Doctrine” at the outset of the Cold War.
Policy must assure the security of state authority and concentrations of domestic power, defending them from a frightening enemy: the domestic population, which can become a great danger if not controlled.
From that day forward, in order to carry out violence and subversion abroad, or repression and violation of fundamental rights at home, state power has regularly sought to create the misimpression that it is terrorists that we are fighting, though there are other options: drug lords, mad mullahs seeking nuclear weapons, and other ogres said to be seeking to attack and destroy us.
Throughout, the basic principle remains: Power must not be exposed to the sunlight. Edward Snowden has become the most wanted criminal in the world for failing to comprehend this essential maxim.
In brief, there must be complete transparency for the population, but none for the powers that must defend themselves from this fearsome internal enemy.
The concept of the U.S. government viewing the population as the true enemy has been a theme on this site for many years. For some background, I suggest reading the following:
Rep. Steve Cohen Calls Tea Party Republicans “Domestic Enemies” on MSNBC
It’s Official: The FBI Classifies Peaceful American Protestors as “Terrorists”
The reason I chose to highlight these two articles, is that in one case it is the “tea party” being demonized, and in the other it is Occupy Wall Street. It doesn’t matter if the dissent is seen as emanating from the “right” or the “left,” it is dissent in general which is increasingly being demonized as “domestic terrorism.”
With all of that in mind, here is what Eric Holder’s “Justice” Department is up to. From the LA Times:
Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder, Jr. on Monday announced the creation of a task force within the Justice Department to combat an “escalating danger” from “homegrown” terrorists within the United States.
The task force will chiefly comprise leaders from the FBI, the Justice Department’s National Security Division and U.S. Attorneys. Called the Domestic Terrorism Executive Committee, it is a recreation of a task force formed by former Atty. Gen. Janet Reno after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The task force fell into disuse after 9/11.
Though the original task force, which was little known, focused mainly on right-wing zealots, Holder’s version is aimed at U.S. citizens or visitors radicalized via the Internet. Holder said the government will continue to fight terrorists abroad.
Oh the internet! That dangerous place where the citizenry engages in thoughtcrime and can actually perform real journalism without the censorship of mainstream propaganda media.
“But we also must concern ourselves with a different type of threat. We face an escalating danger from self-radicalized individuals within our own borders,” he said.
“Now — as the nature of the threat we face evolves to include the possibility of individual radicalization via the Internet — it is critical that we return our focus to potential extremists here at home,” Holder said.
NPR adds that:
“The threat from al-Qaida is much more diffuse after Sept. 11, and the threats posed by a single horribly misguided citizen or permanent legal resident in the U.S. is in a sense as great as what core al-Qaida posed before Sept. 11,” says Neil MacBride, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.
There you have it. It’s no longer al-Qaeda, it’s now supposedly your friends and neighbors. This is the prevailing meme of every tyrannical fascist regime in history.
The state’s war on the citizenry is becoming overt. Don’t be fooled, this is real and it is very dangerous.
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Let me be first to say.
YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK HOLDER!!!
Cordially,
RIPS
I thought we've already been down this path with Joseph McCarthy witch hunts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Hes one of em.
"Ignorance of the "LAW" is no excuse."
Rips
EDIT. Im not the first, nor last.
dear mr holder please start your search at the fed, the tbtf's, irs, cia, fbi, fema, dhs, and the oval office. and report back.
Us independent thinkers are now the enemy to 'them'...always was.
They don't like Muppet Pimp, this is my fault guys. Holder is bascially facing eternal damnation for his failure to repent from his sins. But he rebuked god and chose evil over goodness. He is gonna face his maker just like the rest of us.
- Eric, it is not too late to turn brother, the jig is up. Get right with your maker and stop all this evil.
re. Domestic Terrorist Task Force
Finally someone is going to investigate the Federal Reserve.
There is no better way to terrorize a country than to destroy its currency.
"the jig is up"
Oh dear! You could get in big trouble with Mr. Holder for a phrase like that!
When it comes to independent thinkers in this country, we're out gunned on 2 fronts.
yeah. 'cause we know how many conservatives they had in their snipers' sight during occupy.
I seem to recall the Democratic Party cheering the occupy crowd.
Domestic terrorists are all those unveiling the criminal nature of the government and the hidden forces behind it. All those who'd like to prevent the self-appointed oligarchy from grabbing all the wealth and the power from the people while exploiting existing law and ignoring the constitution. Those who point out the frightened puppets and servants in official bodies deliberately acting to dismantle the liberties for 30 silver pieces while betraying their electorate and the very spirit of liberty the US were founded on, on daily basis. All those who point out the overall deterioration of basic human qualities when ignorance, corruption, greed, theft, lying, mongering of all kinds and impunity of few chosen have become a norm. And mainly those who would like to shed light on all that should remain hidden in the dark.
It's a standard operating procedure for the state. Provoke some actor [state or individual] into action then use the inevitable consequences to 'crack down' and consolidate power.
It's so bad that ZH writers use Chomsky in their articles. Talk about pretending to have a clue...
Don't be dissin Chomski...
Any intelligent person who's paying attention should be radical as hell right now. Only retards, slobs, and those on mild altering drugs (either street OR prescription) behave "normally" when their state has effectively turned against them.
When you add .gov employees to your list, you get the vast majority.
We are toast.
This is about one thing ---> D I V E R S I O N
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From this:
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Comet-Planet Identified, Orbital Trajectory Verified by Renowned AstronomerIf it were close enough to photograph, we would ALL be able to see it. There is no Herculobus or Nibiru.
I wonder how it will take thos idiots to figure out that Nibiru is a planet from a Star Trek novel...
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And what of HSBC, Holder? You fucking cunt.
Admitted drug and terrorist financing; the facts were never in dispute.
They probably paid their DNC dues.
And they aint French?
Do Not Convict dues?
Terrorism is defined as the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
The current regime in Washington can clearly be described as domestic terrorists.
Dammit Alaric, how many times have I told you? Don't obscure the issue with facts!
That was a path having actual witches to hunt.
This is everyone, brought to you by..."progressives" ;-)
The women doing ergot are going to corrupt this country!
- Men who were threatened by open minds, also threatened by Jimi Hendrix
"This is everyone, brought to you by..."progressives" ;-)"
Brought to you by oligarchs. The oligarchs fear us. They know that if we could ever get our shit together they would be toast. The progressive meme is part of how they use the people to fight each other instead of them.
When I say "progessive" I mean socialist.
WTF do you think a socialist is? Someone who sponges off the government, they can be rich or poor Rand, look around you.
Just say fascist and you and I can agree. I'm pretty sure these guys are not advocating for the ownership of the means of production by the people, which is a tenet of socialism.
Fascism is socialism Rand...you're the one who's going to have to come to grips with it...not me.
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Oh, we got three (so far) commies who don't believe it?
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."...who said it?
Fabian Socialist symbol: Wolf in sheeps clothing.
Kill 'em with 'kindness'.
Think about it, nmewn.
One main point of EBT is control.
ZH points out that the system is fucked up and geared towards oligarchs. Does that make ZH socialist or Marxist?
Who said it Rand?
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It was Gregor Strasser, look him up.
Goodnight, comrade ;-)
I dont think the socialism/capatalist argument has much relevance now. Our money supply is debauched. With the shadow banking and writeoffs, the meirts and perils of both are out the door guys. Quote whoever from whenever. This global digital banking network is a whole new ballgame. A lot of old fundamentals(not all) need to be thrown out the window for the time being.
Without sound money neither of them can exist by their definition.
I think it still has all the relevance in the world, the Fed was started by fascists (socialists with nationalist intentions) under the rubric of "law" and it is the alliance of the state with "private" industry (banks) and it benefits them both.
Somehow people confuse wealth with whether or not one can be truly called a socialist or fascist or communist. Not so, not so at all.
Buffet & Soros are wealthy almost beyond measure and so are the oligarchs who sprung up inside the former Soviet Union. Only the dim would consider them capitalists, they would be nothing without state protection favoring them.
Freedom's just another word for noting left to take. - Apologies to Janis.
Who do you think is NOT a "socialist"? The Koch Bros? Ted Turner? The media moguls? Lloyd Blankfein and/or his ilk? The Waltons?
the alliance of the state with "private" industry
this is such an important issue and many seemingly rational people simply do not see it. I once watched an interview by Maria Bartiromo with the then just ex-governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm. Granholm was going on about public-private partnerships and Bartiromo was like "yeah, what a great idea". And I was like all "NO FING WAY IDIOTS". Yes, in all caps too.
When they look back 100 years from now on what brought the American Empire down low, one of the things they will say is that the founders fucked up by not making it more clear that public-private "partnerships were to be disallowed.
Another manifestation of this same problem with a slightly different twist is the issue of preferential tax treatment for locating your business in a state to create "jobs". Umm, a bedrock principle of America (the idea, not the political reality), is that there is law and it applies equally to all and is enforced equally for all. That is the very essence of Justice. Differential treatment of businesses by the states pisses all over this idea. Simply amazing that it is not considered illegal as hell.
Anyway rant off
Good night Nmewn,
Always nice to see your edifying posts. I weep for the republic but intelligence gives me hope.
Interesting times,
BW
Good night Nmewn,
Always nice to see your edifying posts. I weep for the republic but intelligence gives me hope.
Interesting times,
BW
And just a side note of history, Joseph Goebbels was the main disciple of Gregor Strasser before going over to Adolf Hitler.
If you ever have a chance read Gobbels' diary.
nmewn I would argue that Socialism is Fascism, as the state and corporations become one at the top.
Jesse has an interesting chart in this blog in which he posits both become the same at the extreme: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cVh0vkHqy7Q/UrnIhklPTNI/AAAAAAAAwY8/yqXL8mFsDDE/s1600/continuumsocial2013.PNG
Perhaps we are arguing the same point.
Why even pretend that this is a legitimate question? The _only_ people insisting that there is some distinction between fascism and socialism, are the socialists. And that is simply because, they have spent the last fifty years calling everyone they don't like a fascist. There really is nothing more to this debate.
+1
In both systems the free thinkers wind up on their knees in front of a ditch with a gun to the back of their head. The only difference to the poor SOB on his knees is whether the bullet is going to be a 9mm or a 30 caliber Nagant. The end result is the same.
The big shock for the Task Force members will be when they find out: 99% of public are terrorists, only .gov leaders seem not guilty,, so guess we will need HLS and a heavy dose of TSA across the land. We must watch every single one of them at all times...just ask NSA.
The only big difference between national socialism and communism s who owns what.
FORWARD KONZENTRATIONSLAGER!
So is it all you "progressives" down voting this guy tonight? If so, you are one and the same with Eric Holder and you are dangerous.
Man, you're getting a little beat up nmewn.
We need new definitions. Our political and economic systems are evolving into something worse than any of the old.
"Sociofascist Klepto-crony-capi-communism" is what I see. The collusion of all the bad elements of each, none of the good.
Good old fashioned "greedy bastards" will suffice..,
lol...it wouldn't be the first time Eb.
Or the last ;-)
Obsolete monikers and descriptors have been superceded. You are now dealing with the Beast System™ - nothing more, nothing less.
It's Totalitarian Democracy, folks. Just as described by Talmon and Marcuse. And it's pure evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_democracy
The means of production are never "owned by the people" under socialism. They are owned by the people who run the state with everyone a slave to the state. If you want a perfect example of socialism, look at North Korea. Socialism is just a mask for the oligarths - a con job.
Pol Pot was the pure essence of that evil.
There are far left socialists who practice fascism, and far right fascists who practice socialism. Anti-progressives on the right have done as much to destroy the constitution as progressives on the left. This is one of those squiggly blobs you can never put your finger on. Idealism is all over the place, and most of it is destructive of liberty. Best imo to focus on ensuring that whatever is done is constitutional, in a very narrow sense, and not worry about all the "isms" . The "isms" will then be kept in check.
What most fail to do is to remember, political views aren't only left vs. right... it's left, right, up and, down.... the up and down portion are authoritarian vs non-authoritarian.... The socialist vs. facist, is whether the govt. owns it or the corporations own the property.... Facist usually assumes and authoritarian state.
If you think of it, Ghandi was a socialist but, he was also non-authoritarian. The left vs. right thing doesn't work when members from both parties are all about authority over US!!!
It would be hard to argue that we don't live in a facist state now... the government hasn't nationalized everything.... yet.... but, the government does coerce, bully, shut down who it doesn't like and reward who it does.... that is not to say that powerful corporations don't have influence, however.
I remember someone else that argued for the middle ground approach as well. He's the one that created the US federal gubermint in the first place.
If you think Eric Holder is an "oligarch" and not a communist you are delusional. Of course, by communist I mean "progressive", "socialist", Marxist-Leninist, Maoist, People's this or that, etc. etc. All one has to do is look at his background, just like Obama. Sure, they may dance with the "oligarchs", and even enrich themselves, but the end game is to destroy them and become the "leading vanguard". Maybe they'll keep a few corporate types around to run the complicated shit.
You really think Obama is a "fascist" and "oligarch", LOL. Try reading his books.
you really thinks he believes what was written?
If you think Obama runs anything without being told what to do, you are delusional. I doubt he even wrote his book.
You kids actually believed that BS about Commies wanting to destory everything rather than be in power...
Yet, I'm the idealist supposedly...
Senator McCarthy exposed communist entrenched in the State Department, fact.
you are thinking of the congressional hearings which had nothing to do with McCarthy who was right, fact.
Kowtowing people from exposing the clown like we have in the Oval Office using the term McCarthyism is akin to the Government using the term "Domestic Terrorist" to keep you in line.
google "Venona Files" for a start
Found this in my wanderings, call the truth squad now!
we spend more …. but have less
we buy more … and enjoy it less
we’ve multiplied our possessions … but reduced our values
fancier houses … yet broken homes
more conveniences … yet less time
more degrees …. but less common sense
more knowledge ….. but fewer critical judgment skills
more experts than ever before … yet more problems
more gadgets … but less satisfaction
more pills … yet less wellness
doctors can add many years to life … but not life to years
tweet and text endlessly … yet rarely communicate
been to the moon … but don’t know our next door neighbor
conquered outer space … but not our inner space
split the atom … but not our hatreds
cleaned the air … but polluted our souls
more weapons than ever before … but no peace
we make a living … yet don’t have a life
It's time you learned the truth about Joe McCarthy, which is that his charges were basically accurate - the State Dept really was infested with soviet spies. Don't take my word for it - google Whitaker Champers and Venona Decodes.
The american left is trying to memory-hole their alliance with Stalin - don't let them do it.
"I thought we've already been down this path with Joseph McCarthy witch hunts?"
Yeah, except for the fact that history has proven that McCarthy was in fact correct.
http://theothermccain.com/2013/02/24/never-forget-joe-mccarthy-was-right/
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/24716
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013012631847/life-and-science/culture-wars...
As far as Eric "Dick" Holder is concerned, we don't have to wait for history to judge him as the evil twat that he is.
We're done. We're toast.
The parasite has almost killed the hooOoost.
We're done. We're toast.
All the moneys gone to the top 1% who has the mooOoost.
We're done. We're toast.
Havnt we done great the bankers will boaAaast.
We're done. We're toast.
Cry the bottom 99% while lighting a fire for their Oligarch roaAaast.
McCarthy: "Are you, or have you ever been, a terrorist?"
Holder: "Have you stopped being a terrorist?"
Subtle difference.
You should probably do some research before parroting the "truth" that the MSM and PTB want you to believe - about anything, actually. McCarthy was and is a True Patriot who saw the likes of Sotero, Holder, Reno, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Cunton, etc, etc, infiltrating and infecting this once-great nation. He had the guts to shine a light on the cockroaches and they hated him for it. Why do you think the MSM has perpetuated the myth of a "witch hunt"? Ask yourself, "Does the MSM and PTB cabal glorify patriotic actions - or do they demonize them?" Do you think it's just in recent history that people who speak out against the cancer that's overrunning the US (and the world) are demonized and attacked?
In the early 80's, Congressman Larry McDonald reopened the House UnAmerican Activities Committee (HUAC) records (i.e. the old McCarthy records). Unlike McCarthy, he was charismatic and well-liked, so it was harder to discredit him in the press. As it became aparent that he wasn't going to be steered away from looking into the cockroach closet, it just so happened that McDonald ended up on good ol' KAL007, and goshy-darn if it didn't "accidentally" stray into Soviet airspace and get shot down / forced down.
Always, always, question the stories you've been told. Do your own research - primary-source research if possible (remember that most "Historians" moonlight as Whores for the PTB). You can bet that if there is a theme that's bullshit, they will reinforce it ad-nauseum - movies, documentaries, books, etc etc. Lying isn't a "new" thing for them - nor is re-writing history....
Fuck off fascist from both parties.
Great! 6 pigs were at my house yesterday kicking in doors. 3 of them had assault rifles and they almost shot my dog! Fuck this shit!
I've had the same expereince with fascist pigs. Not a good expereince.
It was scary as hell. A prisoner escaped a few blocks away. I wasn't afraid of a fat Mexican with belly chains and hand cuffs but I WAS afraid of these mother fuckers. Note to self...They don't need a warrant if your doors are unlocked
No warrant door breakdown=1 ounce 12 gauge slugs through worthless body armor.
Perhaps you should consider yourself lucky you didn't get a flashbang in your baby's crib.
No baby, but it isn't easy trying to keep my boxer alive. She isn't even 3 and the cops have almost shot her twice and animal control tried stealing her out of my fenced yard a few weeks ago. Boxers might be the friendliest dogs on the planet but she is endangered in this piss soaked hell hole
Maybe it's time to relocate?
Dude, consider yourself lucky they did not murder you and eat your dog.
This family wasn't so lucky:
Toddler critically burned when SWAT team throws flashbang in crib
http://rt.com/usa/162580-toddler-burned-flashbang-crib/
Mindless monsters.
6 pigs were at my house yesterday kicking in doors. 3 of them had assault rifles and they almost shot my dog! Fuck this shit!
VERY sorry to hear, Pink.
Please tell everyone you know. Three or four times.
John Doe still believes that the sacred state only hurts bad people. They desperately need several doses of reality.
Eww, I wouldn't want his lips on mine. Consider all the banksters he's blown.
No way -not mine -he can suck Hillary's dick. He's probably already done that anyway.
Or Rahm Emanuel's dick -I think he has one. I'm not sure.
I'm not going to junk you, but I would not let Holder anywhere near my privates.
Kirk is picky about who gives him a "happy ending". If -- for argument's sake -- it weren't Mrs Kirk, who has given me more Happy Endings than all the Star Trek episodes and movies. ;-)
It is kind of funny when a lot of people here accuse those guys of being gay that another would come out and say what you just did. Are you really giving him an invite?
He's coming for ZHers!!!
If the final Greenwald/Snowden leak is in fact the names of US citizens on the NSA blacklist we might actually find out if they have an eye on ZHers. ;-)
I'm not holding by breath, though.
I will not be too surprised if they have an eye on ZHers. I believe that Holder and the Task Force will act to seize those whom are on the blacklist BEFORE Greenwald and Smowden release the list to prevent any from escaping the dragnet.
Maybe there will not be some ZHers posting...like me?
This, of course, is to stifle the freedom of the press.
Now I have wrote incendiary material. I have wrote instruction. I have wrote about many different topics. But I have not ever acted. I do so to vent my frustrations about the direction in which our Nation is headed. I use extremely descriptive SATIRE, as Jonathon Swift, in order to make my points.
It may be construed that I am a "Domestic Terrorist" from what I have wrote. A commenter, the other day, wrote that I should be in a FEMA Camp because of my writing?
The truth is that there are NO DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Nobody has acted in that manner. WE have read no reports of any such activity. There are just too many targets and nobody has acted destructively. It is a bogus threat which does not exist.
Remember the troll that was asking, baiting, anybody here to reveal violent activities against the Government? Now that was funny.
I am antiwar and a pacifist. While I will fight to defend that which is mine I do not seek out aggression. Just what do they think that we are? They are lunatics if they believe any different.
Unfortunately I believe them to be lunatics.
If the final Greenwald/Snowden leak is in fact the names of US citizens on the NSA blacklist...
I sure hope he has all the names on Main Core.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core
FREE Obama Debt Laden !!
FREE Schlemielah Bushani !!
Seems like a whole LOT of distraction from this --->
The BIGGEST Coverup in USA History
yes, another planetary wipe out is about due, unfortunately it is needed now and then...with assholes that come into power, this how nature purges them.
Takes one to know one Holder, you asshat.
Hey Rodney...cant we all just get along?
These shitbags steal your life, play silly little games with the publics lives (pubic lice) intentionally and think they are better than us.
Its not OK.
Sigh.
RIPS
Not only do 'they' think they are better, but also think its their divine right to rule over us.
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We are just living the dream - somebody elses...
The wrong enemy is being targeted.
The black folks down the street talk funny, and are Muslims. Then we have the Russians across the way that seem to have a lot of cash. Don't forget the Chinese kid at the store that is always squinting at me in a suspicious way. Worst of all, the Jews over yonder don't believe in Christmas and look exactly like the terrorists that blew up the World Trade Center.
That many people looking at your funny..... you have to be the problem, obviously. You should just turn yourself in now. We don't want to have to come after your family, too.
We don't want to, but we will anyway - it's a matter of policy, we have no choice.
Its funny this woman recieved more views than larken rose on the dangers of collectivism....
Lets take another look .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7cJFjyVLvk
One of those greens is from me.
Cheers.
RIPS
josie outlaw for the win!
@Hedgeless
Yeah, no such thing as too paranoid at this time. We are the envy of the world and need to defend our principles. There can't be a defensive posture that is too strong because we are the shining light for the world. Everyone needs to consider that we are connected and being watched by eachother. If you really have actionable information about someone on your block, you should see something say something or be considered complicit. Who knows maybe this site is being surveiled?
Dear AG Holder,
I would like to report suspicious terrorist like activities. The address? 1600 Pennsylvannia Ave....
Don't forget the Canadians. They seem REAL nice but that accent is damn suspicious. I mean they can sound just like regular Americans but then they drop an aboot instead of abowt? Frankly I'm convinced they're all alien lizard men with some sort or linguistic impairment or it's some sort of signal to their comrades or possibly just an in your face "WE ARE HERE" statement to all the rest of us. Long tinfoil......
There is a certain subset of Canadians who refuse to visit the USA, even though they might live just a few miles away from the border.
Ignorance, innocent bigotry... or something more?
They know this shit is contagious.
This paragraph explains perfectly clear why we just traded a bunch of terrorists in exchange for "deserter". Those terrorists don't pose a threat anymore so it was fine to trade them for a soldier who, despite his shortcomings, was an American. That horribly misguided citizen that poses a great threat just had a prime time interview with NBC while horse face screamed and stomped his hoofs.
“The threat from al-Qaida is much more diffuse after Sept. 11, and the threats posed by a single horribly misguided citizen or permanent legal resident in the U.S. is in a sense as great as what core al-Qaida posed before Sept. 11,” says Neil MacBride, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.
Its kinda funny (in a warped sorta way).
A tyrant (Obama) negotiates with terrorists, to release people wanted for slaughtering thousands of Shia, behind the back of Congress (in the middle of multiple scandals) in exchange for a deserter, from his own army, that he wants to throw a ticker tape parade for.
Either I'm nuts or he is.
It's insane. Completely insane.
I didn't think it was just me ;-)
It's not just you, I lost my mind a while back (1999) when using currents events as the yardstick.
And I'll be doggoned, the blue pill just doesn't work anymore.
In reality, once your awake to the insanity that is prevalent in all aspects of .gov, there is no snooze button.
Preps better be in order, hedge accordingly!
DaddyO
It's not just you. Every day for the past few months, shit just keeps getting more and more bizarre. I just don't get it. Kinda makes you wonder what could too these last few months. Whatever it is, I don't think we are gonna like it
psychological warfare
Or, they put something in our water.
First thing to go when the SHTF is the www. Or seriously restricted and censored. Count on it.
To deny "horribly misguided individuals" (I guess for starters that means the 99% hanging out at ZH who see the incumbent cunts-in-control for what they are) the ability to communicate with one another, and preach the truth to the MSM-brainwashed sheeple (floggin' a dead horse there, maybe).
Interesting times ahead when the petrodollar empire collapses - and I don't think any of us will be alive to see the end of them.
It makes perfect sense - when you are trying to amass politiical power, the external threat is your best friend. Your real enemies are those who wish to supplant you.
They just wanted to get rid of some guantanamo folks. Obama will close guantanamo and the Democrats will talk about how great he is. Purely political.
I think we know the answer to that one. We are all "the nuts" and Obama has us by "them". This fucker is doing everything he can to tell us "fuck you". Its like he is daring someone to do something. The media is numb at best aiding and abetting him at every opportunity.
We know Mugabe does not make mistakes (Allah Bless Him)!
So, I hope that answers your question!
The President does have a plausible defense on that moral question. He just needs to say he considers the soldier innocent until proven guilty. I realize military justice doesn't work quite like that but you are innocent until convicted and that hasn't happened yet.
That said, there is some mind bogglingly weird stuff going on with this story. You all are aware of the many details so I won't relist. It is just so bizarre that it has to be pointed out.
Speaking of bizarre, has anyone said anything about this soldier doing the right thing in following his conscience rather than some false moral code? He saw what he was doing was wrong and walked away from it. At that point he should have everyone's support. The bomb training and stuff is a different matter.
Loyalty to conscience must come first (to thyne own self be true). Killing people because you promised to do anything you were told to do in order to "protect your brothers" is not very high up the list.
If I may theorize ...
When I saw all the recent news about the swap come over the news/wire/blogs/sites, I thought to myself "this isn't a trade - Obama is paying for something".
You see, Obama just wanted to give the Gitmo prison beards away in exchange for support for god knows what. But, he can't do that. So, the Afghan free beards are like "Hey, you can have this douche bag in exchange". Obama was like "Cool", right, because he has this diplomacy shit down yo.
Then his advisors tell him that he can't go behind Congress'es back and trade Gitmo prison beards to the free beards for a douchebag. They argue some, because Obama is always right, but decide it has bad optics. But then, they are like, "hey, what if it was a deserter douche bag ... can they trade one of those"?
This kicked off a whole round of back and forth between the O-beard and the Afghan beards. Then there was a lot of haggling and the price went up from three prison beards to five prison beards because Obama is Best Korea when it comes to haggling with OPPB (Other Peoples Prison Beards).
So, that is how we exchanged five Gitmo prison beards for one Army douchebag, all without Congressional oversight.
Oh, and I don't know what favor Obama gets. Probably props in Syria.
Fucking traitor.
Regards,
Cooter
CAVEAT: I am taking al lot of the deserter crap at face value. I will revise my opinion in the light of new facts. But, until then, he looks kind of like a deserter. Must be in line to be a white house official. Press Beard?
My son was there when this went down. Told us that everyone knew he deserted, that he was a 'weird mother fucker' and that notes and shit were left. This is a deserter that went to the enemy in a time of war.
He should be summarily shot. But since we have an entire fucking government that is, at heart, deserters of the Constitution and of the america people...we're going to be told that it isn't appropriate to shoot deserters.
I hear ya!
I cannot believe he deserted and gave up all that sweet, sweet trigger time!
Man, I hear when them rag heads scream they sound just like monkeys! These brown savages need killing - and we must kill as many as we can because they want to invade the USA; every dead child is one less child that would grow into a terrorist, and every dead woman is one less breeder of terrorists.
This deserter needs shot for failing to do his duty to Amerika by killing as many brown savages as he could - only the heroic butchery of brown skins in their own land will keep us safe in the Motherland.
Hell, yeah, Rafterman! I cannot believe he gave up the chance to finish his ear necklace!
We shouldn't be over there. But you can't make much of a sympathetic case for the shitbirds we're fighting.
Anyways. This guy is a shitstain of the first water. He left his unit a man down in the face of the enemy. Enlistment is a contract, and a shitty one at that. If you are stupid enough to sign it, you better see it through, because the other side of that contract is the poor dumb bastard in the foxhole next to you.
Nobody is making a case for the "shitbirds" we're fighting. The case is for the women and children and old men who are being killed or maimed.
You mean pretty much like in every war during the last century?
Why is an enlisted private more responsible for troop levels and safety than his superiors?
If his unit was in dire straits because of his loss (he could as easily have been KIA as deserted) then why is nobody up the chain of command getting called out?
And of course, "we shouldn't be over there" is the most important part. Nobody from the President on down pays a price for continuing and escalating a pointless war for 13 years, but the grunt who has a change of heart gets all the flak? That's just stupid.
LOL that's funny. Do you live in the real world? Do you have any personal military experience? Or barring that have you at least studied the interpersonal dynamics of men in combat?
There is no room in the enlistment CONTRACT for a "change of heart". The time for that ended the moment his pen hit the paper. It's an all-volunteer army now. Stop and think about THAT for a second.
If you want to effect change, the way to do it is to keep young men OUT of the military in the first place. Not by supporting desertion in the face of the enemy.
Or just declare yourself a conscientious objector and accept the consequences (likely Article 15 and General Discharge instead of honorable). Tell your superior you won't follow their illegal orders and accept the consequences (again, probably Art 15, General Discharge). Lastly, you can always intentionally miss (AKA "aim high") like draftees used to have to do ("sorry Sir, I guess I'm just a bad shot").
Lots of ways to follow your conscience. None of them lack consequences, but who ever said courageous decisions lacked consequences?
Shit, with what we have now, the dupe will be a fucking General by next week!
Plus, if he is also a homo, a Two-Star General!!
fonz, re “The threat from al-Qaida is much more diffuse after Sept. 11, and the threats posed by a single horribly misguided citizen or permanent legal resident in the U.S. is in a sense as great as what core al-Qaida posed before Sept. 11,” says Neil MacBride, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia."
I submit that the truly greatest threat that Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs) pose to the US Regime, is to say "Fuck you, I don't need this shit! I'm outta here. And so are my assets."
See something. Say something.
I see you Eric Holder.
Love it! I've missed you motherfuckers!
See ya in awhile.
Given all the damage to the US caused by corrupt and incomppetent bankers you think we'd be investigating THEM and imprisoning THEM - but no....
Anyone that points out the massive and real crimes of the oligarchy is considered a criminal
BTW what ever happened to those missing TRILLLIONS in the Pentagon budget?
Come and get me MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!
Welp I'm fucked
One day everything we've posted here will be used against us.
Count on it.
However, try as they might, they will fail. Free people cannot be stopped. It is humanity's destiny to break free from the chains of the village elders. You will not win no matter how hard you try to stomp us back to the dark ages... kill us all and we'll stand as an example for the next remnant.
Eventually we will win. The winds of destiny are at our backs.
True, but it'll get a lot worse before it gets any better.
I hope they at least read back some of the funny stuff.
The worst part of it all will be that they won't...
Unless it was racist.
The fact this site hasn't been shut down or demonized sometimes makes me wonder if it isn't a honey-pot for luring libertarian minded folk........
tin foil hat off.
I would think most on ZH are prepared to defend our beliefs even to death. If some are not ready then they better close this site immediately and turn on Dancing with the stars, hoping they forget about you.