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OSCE Confirms Ukraine Plane Fired Rockets That Hit Lugansk Building
Following our post yesterday, showing what appeared to be a Ukrainian Su-25 firing rockets at a busy Lugansk city square and hitting the city administration building, there was much lively debate from both sides of the ideological and political divide whether this was a indeed the Ukraine military firing at its own people, albeit living in the east, or a provocation attempt by Lugansk militia to make it appear that the Kiev regime has taken the civil war to a new and very uncivil level. Moments ago the (somewhat) impartial OSCE laid any debate on the topic of where the rockets came from to rest. From Bloomberg:
- OSCE: ROCKETS FROM PLANE HIT LUHANSK ADMINISTRATION YESTERDAY
- OSCE SAYS NUMBER OF CASUALTIES FROM LUHANSK ROCKETS IS UNCLEAR
- OSCE SAYS LUHANSK ASSESSMENT BASED ON `LIMITED OBSERVATION'
- OSCE COMMENTS IN WEBSITE STATEMENT ON LUHANSK
For those who missed the latest bombing in this ever more deadly civil war, here it is again:
And now we eagerly await the wails of condemnation from the democratic West. After all, said West was so quick to blast comparable actions against Ukraine's people by its former, now deposed president. Or is there a double standard here?
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That report will get revised.
And then re-revised.
this is great news. all that destruction means GDP boosting construction. the keynesians are creaming their pants at this video.
As our terrorists in Washington recently confessed, they are supplying millions to further the slaughter of the people of Eastern Ukraine.
And remember, Always flush twice. It's a long way to Washington.
Looks like a car bomb. Regardless, recycling old news. No different from yesterday and the world doesn't care.
Cheer up Charlie Brown....
Pardon my French, but are you fucking blind? You can see the first impact begin way the hell over on the right side of the video. It looks nothing like a car bomb.
Wanger has always cut against the grain, thats how he makes the big bucks
Dude the Wang has gone over the handlebars as a kid and never recoevered, there's no bucks that can buy that back
You can clearly see the flash in the right side of the frame and continue to the left. Looks like multiple explosions as well, so could be bomblets going off after the rocket hit the ground.
pods
yesterday there was a post claiming it was an rpg fired from up a fucking tree too from some obvious propaganda blog.. Doesn't change what it was. A plane opening fire.
That same horseshit blog downplayed the purported use of MAN PADS too. Given planes and choppers are falling from the sky I 'd say it's fair to assume that they are wrong there too.
The withering ranks of the bohunkian army seem to have their hands full without direct russian intervention. Imagine if they decided to actually help.
I need this to blow over so I can head back to my homeland.
Harold blind twat more like !!
the car was parked up in the tree. That is where the rpg was fired from. LOL.
o/t tyler's please check out the new fed collateral margins tables.......if i'm seeing this right the US will be accepting greater margin for foreign securities........are we draghi's out?
When haven't "we" been?
Yes, you are.
Looks like a vehicular IED.
Someone was being specifically targeted and their habits were known.
Oddly enough the white car doesn't stop nor increase speed. You can see the reaction of people...they started running, but the car....like nothing ever happened.
that car speeds up
Well there is something else I just noticed (this video footage isn't high def) but if you look to the right of the screen it almost looks like an RPG was fired. Unless there was a missle that was destined for something in the trees. That seems unlikely.
The area to the right is definately the origin. Not a vehicular IED. However, there is no building where the point of origin is.
If you look closely you can see the rocket is fired horizontaly through the tree line. Not from a plane.
I can say with 95% certainty it's not from the air.
Or there was a string of air-based rockets, but only one got caught on camera because they're moving very fast. (The flash that was caught was only for a single frame.)
An RPG makes one explosion, not half a dozen.
Look at the explosion impact. It clearly goes from the right side to the left side in a linear manner.
It was a rocket fired horizontally from the right side of the video to the left side of the video.
This isn't quantum physics. It's common sense. A plane DID NOT carry out this attack.
So the rocket landed, exploded, bounced, landed, exploded, bounced, landed, exploded, then let me see if I get this right, landed, bounced, and exploded again?
Fine. OSCE is right. It came from a plane.
Bomblets. Looking at it again, it looks indeed like a bomb/rocket was dropped and the explosion progression showed the direction in which the bomb originated.
I don't work for Janes or get off on this stuff but it looks like multiple bomblets.
I would say cluster bomb but I think they have altitude fuses and these look like hit the ground type fuses.
pods
Didn't you all watch the other videos? There's a video of the SU-25 Frogfoot launching rockets from a pod into the city. Car bombs? Cluster bombs? IED's? Are you guys fucking kidding me? Look at the videos damn it. The BDA is a 100% match for multiple rockets.
Edit: The tools suggesting it was a MANPADS don't even know what one is either apparently. There's no way a MANPADS could do that damage in that way. The people suggesting it probably think MANPADS equals RPG's ffs
Yes. If it was from a plane the the clouds of smoke should be linear.
If you look at where the initial flash is and compare it to later clouds of smoke they are not linear.
"The BDA is a 100% match for multiple rockets."
I agree with this.
Why is the trail from the rockets larger than the plane if the rocket came from the plane?
Is there a second plane off camera?
Why do the "rockets" come out all at once, but in every other video of every other Russian aircraft using ground attack rockets they come out one after the other?
??
Why do other ground attack rockets fly with a straight flight path, but the ones in the Ukraine video fall in an arc?
Why does the your SU-25 appear to be flying straight and level, then turn right after "firing" the rockets?
Why does every other video of Russian planes using ground attack rockets show the pilot facing the aircraft nose to the ground?
Why should I believe it was an SU-25 doing ground attack when none of those details I mentioned match?
How is it a 100% BDA match when none of those details match?
That's what I thought until I did a search for "cluster bombs" on YouTube.
There are dozens and dozens of videos.
I don't think it is bomblets anymore.
I think it is a downed fighter crashing, or something like an external fuel tank.
To me it seems they bombed the area deliberately and the civilians are collateral damage. It's possible that the pro-Russians fired at the plane first and hit the second story of the building instead of the plane as the bomblets seem to fall away from the building into the park area. The bombs did hit some women and children beside the building or it's even possible the pro Russian missile did that damage. The metal pieces on the ground should tell the story.
I watched that woman wearing red die today. Thatr was all too real.
This was absolutely NOT AN RPG. An RPG doesn't spread lots of fire around like this did. An RPG explosion looks like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KdHfP_0x8
This certainly appears to be from the air.
If you look at the right side of the screen about halfway into the tree line, and go frame-by-frame you can see *something* hitting the park from the air. The explosion then spreads across the street.
Does this look like a missilie? Possibly. But missiles have very high grade explosives. When the fuse goes the whole missile goes at once. This one seems to spread from the park across the street. That is very un-missile like.
But are Ukrainian Rockets the only things that can come from the sky ???
Of course not.
Could it be an external fuel tank? Yes. The flame would support that.
Could it be the fighter they shot down? Yes. The flame would support that.
Could it be the thing in the sky that made the smoke trails?
NO. IT COULDN'T - because you can still see that thing in the sky when the explosion happens.
Do you know what this means?!? It means the OSCE must be part of the Russian Troll Army™!!!
It's called surgical strike - in their own flesh.
Fuck you Bernanke........oh...wait....wrong story. Oh fuck you anyways
Russian troll here reporting for duty. Do i get paid for this tyler?
edit- geez some people are so serious. You guys realize tptb are attempting to label any commenter in any forum sympathetic to russias cause as a troll tasked by the kremlin, right
You guys realize that some are labeling any commenter who questions Russia's line in the very slightest detail, or who does anything other than sing Putin's praises as a Nazi Troll.
Yeah, right.
We all know the US Gov't is corrupt and illegitimate.
Putin is doing more than Obama can to prove that the Russian Government is cut from the same cloth.
It is government.
What did you expect?
Oh!
I take it all back!
Every Russian that ever was has a soul as clean as the pure driven snow, single-handedly feeds a whole army of helpless orphans, and farts with the smell of petunias!
Why, Putin converses with Jesus twice daily... to give Jesus instruction on how to beat nasty old satan.
I repent of my former willingness to examine any information myself. What an antisocial idiot I have been!
Fill my mind, Dear Leader! Tell me what to think!
I will believe that missiles can simultaneously be in two different places if you say it is so!
Just tell me my Lada is faster than a formula 1 and I will race one to enhance your glory, Dear Leader!
Happy now?
Firing on its own people? No.
Firing on Chechen mercenaries? Yes.
https://news.vice.com/article/yes-there-are-chechen-fighters-in-ukraine-...
Oh look! Here come the paid Russian trolls!
Chechens? The same Chechens Russia was still at war with just 10 years ago? The same Chechens who sent suicide bombers to attack Moscow infrastructure in early 2000's? The same Chechens who were responsible for 2002 Nord-Ost siege and less notorious hostage operations? Those pro-Russian Chechens?
/sarc
This is somewhat related.
Recall the leaked phone call discussing that it wasn't Berkut's snipers shooting at civilians during protest in Kiev (which pushed the situation over the top).
Ukrainian parliamentary interim investigative committee concluded that Berkut (Yanukovich's special forces unit) was not responsible.
It is unknown who was doing sniper shooting.
But shots were fired both at police (first shots) and protestors.
Those monitors will be withdrawn soon.
Chancellor Merkel had better start laying down some law here before Russian Army divisions start heading West.
"Putin is a nut" and of course everyone guarantees victory.
On both sides.
When Libya used air strikes against civilian areas, the US bombed them until their king was deposed....
We didn't kill Ghaddafi because he used his military agaisnt his people. It was because he was looking for ways to bypass the petro-dollar. Gold Dinar ring a bell?
"...we eagerly await the wails of condemnation from the democratic West." I hesitate to say there is any actual democratic elements alive in Western governments anymore. This is an all-out New World Order. There is no doubting this anymore. Anyone who cannot look back into the history books and see the difference before, as compared to today either: doesn't know any better, could care less or are making a living off of it. Know your history or know you're ignorant.
Seems like USA has finally got their internet propaganda army flooding the webz. It was getting boring with only the pro-Russian posters active. It's amazing how these sick fucks on this page can spout their nonsense, but I hope it's not with a straight face at least.
According to the RT article I linked on a different thread, the OSCE concluded it was unguided missiles that were fired at the admin building. Anyone know what speed they travel at? If it's 500 mph, it would travel 24.4 feet in 1/30th of a second, which is the frame frequency of YouTube videos.
One can supposedly step through the YT videos frame-by-frame by using the right and left arrow keys. However, when I tried that it didn't work very well. Another problem is that YT videos use compression, so they don't play back / store each frame. So if they played back every 10th frame for example (and possibly use interpolation to fill in the missing frames), a missile going 500mph would travel 244 feet in 10 frames, so one probably wouldn't be able to see the missile flying through the air. I'm not motivated to find out exactly what's going on with compression since it should be clear what happened: a Ukranian jet fired several missiles (caught on tape), and shortly thereafter several explosions were recorded near the admin building. Since the OSCE probably examined the bomb fragments and concluded it was a missile, that seems to be the explanation.
edit: Voice of Russia says unguided rockets and OSCE made "limited observation". Point still stands though.
What's the going rate , The Tribe paying the keyboard monkeys to post their bullshit. And do you have to relocate to Israelhole ???
Obama just can't catch a break. Poor guy really deserves a few dozen rounds of golf.
Update: For anybody needing confirmation that this is real, here's OSCE's FB page with the details. Yeah it's FB, so go there at your own risk. It's posted there because OSCE's website is currently down because Nuland is probably hacking it.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/osce-the-organization-for-security-and-co...
This was use of a ground attack supersonic jet against civilians and was a War Crime. The Nazi Kiev regime must be destroyed for this and countless other atrocities.
That report doesn't say much. Here's an on-the-ground account you will not find anywhere in the Western media - and warning, graphic photos:
"Lugansk On Fire: Ukrainian City Becomes Target For Aviation Strikes"
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=162729
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Eric Dubin, Managing Editor, The News Doctors
The missile pod on the jet in the clip is a UB-30 firing either S5 or S7 missiles.
They don't fire missiles all at once as shown in the Ukraine clip.
They fire them one after the other as shown from this MIG in Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VjUUNiMCkU
And when fired from this MIG in Russia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbHkY9fn6Kk
Why do the exact same "missiles" come out all at once in Ukraine?
Why do the rockets in from a MIG in India fly straight to the target?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhVjY48DRQU
But in Ukraine they fall trailing smoke in an arc?
Why does a Soviet aircraft dive with the nose towards the ground to fire ground attack missiles, like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csflXVhCQAo
But in the Ukraine when doing ground attack he flies level?
What am I to think, when none of the video of a MIG27 attacking ground targets in Ukraine matches the video of a MIG-27 attacking ground targets anywhere else?
Am I a Kiev appologist because I note that it doesn't match?
Video of Russia's SU-25 firing missiles all at ones at ground targets. Cabin view, Georgia campaign.
There are multiple versions of missiles available for the SU-25 platform.
why would they bother to fake the plane video when the other video already proves it was an airstrike?
That is a war crime. Send them to the Hague.