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Two Ukraine Helicopters Shot Down: Watch As Gunship Engages Eastern Militia In Intense Fighting

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Earlier today, we read reports out of Russian Itar-Tass stating that east Ukraine militia had shot down a Ukraine gunship and a Su-25 fighter jet, as well as four APC. We were waiting for an official confirmation from Ukraine as the level of propaganda on both sides is somewhat tricky to filter. We got at least partial proof moments ago from Ukraine's military spokesman Seleznyov, who said via Bloomberg:


Here is what else Itar-Tass reported from a conflict which suddenly all Western media has forgotten:

People’s militia in the city of Sloviansk, east Ukraine’s Donetsk Region, have downed a fighter plane Su-25 and a Ukrainian helicopter gunship as well as four armored personnel carriers (APC), Sloviansk People’s Mayor Vyacheslav Ponomarev told ITAR-TASS on Tuesday.


Ukraine's military has amassed armored vehicles and self-propelled mortars and howitzers near the town of Sloviansk, Stella Khorosheva, spokeswoman for the Sloviansk people's mayor, told ITAR-TASS on Tuesday.


The military equipment numbering 100 units includes Grad salvo systems, Khorosheva said.


An An-30 plane has been sighted over Sloviansk, making periodic flyovers. According to Khorosheva, clashes began at around 6.00 am local time on Tuesday.


"A report said that Ukrainian troops had broken through in the area of the village of Semyonovka," she said, adding that Ukraine's National Guard was using tanks.


"It looks like they've brought here all their army and (military) equipment," she said.


Earlier, a people's militia representative told ITAR-TASS that Ukrainian military aircraft had delivered several missile strikes at Semyonovka and that the village of Cherevkovka had come under missile and machine-gun fire as well.


"There have been no casualty reports yet, because everybody is holding the line or is in shelter," the militia representative said.

It is unclear if the downed Ukrainian Su-25 is the same one as the one caught on tape launching bombs at Ukraine civilians in the town of Lugansk.

And while we don't have a clip which captures the latest downing of the two Ukraine helicopters (or the fighter jet) here is a YouTube video from earlier today showing two Ukraine helicopters engaged in heavy fighting with forces on the ground near the city of Slavyansk. 1:58 into the clip it becomes visible when the helicopter pilot engages his gun at ground targets.


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Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:03 | 4820090 SpanishGoop
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They are going to run out of helicopters soon if they don't look out.

Perhaps a chocolade mold of a helicopter will help.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:09 | 4820108 john39
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don't worry, U.S. taxpayer serfs will pay for fleets of new gunships and droves of blackwater (or whatever satan's minions call themselves today) to rape muder and pillage until the job is done. 

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:15 | 4820123 disabledvet
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Yep, perrty much.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:16 | 4820127 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Just as long as it creates more jurbs in the defense industry for the sheeple.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:20 | 4820139 Haus-Targaryen
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If I were Ukranian* -- I would be stocking up on weapons and ammo and keeping them in the closet, for when it really gets crazy over there. 

* Americans too

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:28 | 4820338 Harbanger
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Too bad they don't have a 2nd amendment right to bear arms.  If you knew that you wouldn't make such a stupid statement.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:31 | 4820390 general ambivalent
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Haha, people without the 2nd Amendment are fighting back while people with it are sitting at home making their own private Wal-Marts. Get over yourself, the 2nd Amendment is just another control trick.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:34 | 4820408 Harbanger
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Defend yourself by giving BJ's then. 

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:55 | 4820466 strannick
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The same ones warring on the Constitution here are the same ones trying to kill Ukranians from helicopters. Their evil asshole corporate media tries to obscure this fact, banality being its weapon of choice.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:21 | 4822122 markmotive
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Like a scene out of Top Gun...

US and Russian jets having close encounters in the air

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 02:22 | 4822356 Harlequin001
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That is one irritating dumb shit holding the camera...

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 04:04 | 4822398 Aussie V
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That is what is pissing me off. Why can't ANY Ukrainian learn how to hold a video camera???

Every video I watch makes me sea sick!

Maybe instructions don't come in Ukrainian??

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 22:24 | 4821958 tenpanhandle
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does that work?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:45 | 4820656 TheReplacement
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The 2nd only codifies the natural right of man to bear arms.  The Ukrainians have that right as well.  Whether the government recognizes it or not is an entirely different matter that can be solved by excercising the right.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:26 | 4820797 pods
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Exactly.  Everyone has the right to self defense, amendment or not.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 17:41 | 4821312 Harbanger
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Most of the World doesnt even understand the concept "inalienable rights" and most don't have the right to buy or own arms.  They believe rights come from Gov.  So they can go protest for a 2nd amendment but that's very low on their priority list.  They will protest for fairness from their leaders.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 18:28 | 4821429 7.62x54r
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How well does that protest thing work?


I'd rather carry a rifle.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 19:52 | 4821602 disabledvet
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Hmmm. "Turned out they had an Abrahms Tank so I went home." :-0

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:19 | 4821667 7.62x54r
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Tanks do poorly in cities or bad terrain. They are also kind of useless against guerillas.

That Abrams tanks thingy worked out poorly in Afghanistan.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:32 | 4821699 tvdog
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The Thais protested for 7 months, getting killed in the streets. No solution till the army stepped in.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 22:04 | 4821921 crazzziecanuck
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Yes, but this was another "win" for the American empire.  It doesn't like democracy anywhere, not even at home.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:55 | 4821755 shovelhead
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Drugs are illegal in the US. Hows's that working out?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:09 | 4821789 Terminus C
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Drugs aren't illegal.  They are just illegal for you.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 01:23 | 4822313 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Presumably drugs are kept illegal to ensure a maximum price can be gleaned from the market by some very bad people. The first politician to have a significant following whose proposes legalizing drugs will be assasinated by the CIA.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 22:57 | 4822053 Quus Ant
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it's working out great.  invest in the prison industrial complex.  makea mint.  give to charity.  sleep through the night.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 01:51 | 4822335 Rootin' for Putin
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If you could operate google you would have found this.

Citizens are permitted to own non-fully automatic rifles and shotguns as long as they are stored properly when not in use. Handguns are illegal except for target shooting and those who hold concealed carry permits

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:09 | 4821638 mrpxsytin
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So you wouldn't be making plans to get the women and children in your family to a safer destination? Singelhandedly, you will fend off the brutes who come for your family? 

If you're going to fight to defend your home that's your choice. But it isn't your kids choice. Get them the hell out of there!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:34 | 4821845 mrpxsytin
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To the moron who downvoted that.

See the photos of those two dead women? 

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:33 | 4820398 Monty Burns
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Yet another bankers' war.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:54 | 4820673 Jack Burton
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Indeed Monty! If ever a banker's war was being fought, this one is it. The IMF and Western Banks have demanded that Kiev Coup Government conquer the East Ukraine before they are given the 17 billion dollar loan. Then the IMF bankers, CIA director and US vice president visited Kiev to plan the military attacks. Now we see the results, Kiev is on the march, a coup government is trying to repeat the Euro Maidan miracle in the East. So far, these two small towns have held out against the might of Kiev for many weeks. The Air Attacks are a sign that Kiev's ground troops can not break the resistance of the local people.

Frankly, I read on Russian sources last night that two Helicopters were shot down, but the source I use tends to over claim. But perhaps this time they were right.

Since the missile strike on a city center in broad daylight killing citizens in their own city, I suspected that Russia would begin to allow more modern shoulder fired anti aircarft missiles to leak into the East. Should the most modern of these slip into the hands of the Eastern Resistance fighters, then Kiev's coup airmen are in for some bad days. The capabilites of the most modern of these short range missiles mean Kiev will have to resort to precision guided bombs and missiles. These can be fired outside missile range. BUT, are very costly, and require the latest systems to use them. Kiev will need NATO to step in and supply much of this. If that happens, Russia will not sit back. A NATO step in this direction would clear Russia to use S-400 long range missiles to knock down any and all Kiev Coup Aircraft.

In short, the ball is in NATO court. Will they move to equip Kiev with these wepaons? A very dangerous move that wouls be.

For now, I am happy the people have gotten revenge for Kiev muderous attack. Murder in broad daylight deserves justice. Some Kiev Coup Airmen were given that justice. Who can not say that that is not just and right?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:47 | 4821734 disabledvet
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it's all about Hollywood dude. This is all about keeping people glued to their devices! STAY TUNED! ANARCHY! BLOODSHED! PUTIN THE VIDEO GAME!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:52 | 4821894 caconhma
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Looks like Putin is too busy hiding his money and palaces. As for Russian people, Putin does not give a shit about them.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:11 | 4822098 James Dandy
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Another retard worrying about "evil Putin" instead of his own slavemasters.  

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 01:40 | 4822323 Tall Tom
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I agree that Putin does not give a damn about the Russian citizen anymore than Obama cares about the American citizen.


Many believe that one psychopath is somehow better than another psychopath but they are just choosing what they believe to be the lesser of two evils.


Psychopaths wage war. Death with destruction is the fruit of that insanity. Both Putin and Obama are the authors of war.


You shall know them by thier fruits. I seem to have read that somewhere. Someone very special spoke those words two thousand years ago. Of course He is the author of the truth which sets men free.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:28 | 4823096 caconhma
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ZH website is no different from the overwhelming majority of other websites where feebleminded people express their incompetence and stupidity thinking it is of any value.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 15:33 | 4824247 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...said the feeb.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:23 | 4820589 alexcojones
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Obummer promised $18 Million to Kiev.

That might buy one-half of a helicopter, I imagine, at today's prices.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:33 | 4820611 Four chan
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muslim terrorists are on blue light special, buy one get four free at obamamart.

how much did it cost us to get those five fuck faces?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 15:49 | 4821053 swmnguy
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Almost nothing.  3 of them surrendered.  1 we caught in a false-truce sting.  And the 5th was caught by the Pakistanis and turned over to us.  They weren't terrorists either, except under the broadest possible definition of the term.  They were officials in what was at the time the recognized national army of Afghanistan.  They were never charged with anything nor were they ever tried at Guantanamo, because their defense would have been that they were doing their jobs, and it would have been extremely difficult to convict them of anything.  Plus they were clearly entitled to be treated as Prisoners of War under every rule known to civilization, and they weren't.

But I get your point.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:56 | 4820691 Jack Burton
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Obama told Poland's military that America will stand with Poland in their fight for freedom against the Russian attack. 1 billion in free money for Poland, more planes, missiles and US troops for Poland. Now, if only we can find that Russian attack, we will be able to use them. Anyone know where that attack is? Maybe Nuland, that blood soaked Whore can cook up a fake attack to justify World War III.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:24 | 4821676 StychoKiller
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Hmm, what if you threw a war and NOBODY showed up?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:14 | 4822751 GlobalCtzn
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Paradigm shift? I am READY!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:58 | 4821759 prains
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Who's gonna be the June, 2014 Franz Ferdinand......these sick fuckers are making a joke of history and Woar. The dates are way too close to be a coincidink.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:56 | 4820689 Freddie
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F the European bankster families, the elites, NWO, EU-SSR, Soros, the NeoCons, Nuland, State Dept, Silicon Valley billionaires, oligarchs and other scum who profit over innocent poeple being killed and enslaved.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:15 | 4820761 COSMOS
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In all these videos of Ukraine one is struck how pretty the country is.  Huge country that is relatively flat and very green.  I can see why its an agricultural paradise and why Monsanto wants to dig its claws into its soil.  Also the young ladies are very pretty.  And the cities are also very clean and look nice.  It is an ideal country to be infected with viral dollars and to serve as organism to take in that extra dollar liquidity sloshing around the world.  Its all about PENETRATION. From its land to its women.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 19:54 | 4821605 disabledvet
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"The soil must be fed with the blood of patriots"...and that piece of real estate has more than probably any place on earth.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 15:22 | 4820949 booboo
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Odumbfuck just requested 1 billion for "Eastern Europe DEFENSE"

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:25 | 4820156 MountainsRoam
Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:28 | 4820163 Chief Kessler
Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:52 | 4820239 Spastica Rex
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Hi, NSA!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:12 | 4820312 Ignatius
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The NSA gathers information, the CIA coordinates the propaganda.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:24 | 4820357 Harbanger
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And the MSM distributes it.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:34 | 4820406 Monty Burns
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Well said!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:44 | 4821726 Chief Kessler
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Apparently my sarcasm is thicker than the fur in Ayn Rands girdle! Don't you see the influx of rather high level new posters suddenly? The Chinese trollers were easier to spot, they just can't feel the language. These Ruskies however have a better grasp, tell me you guys don't see this too?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:57 | 4821906 TheFourthStooge-ing
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As Conky would say, fuck off Washington.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:52 | 4822666 BorisTheBlade
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If you try and be consistent with that logic, you can certainly arrive to the conclusion that Obama is a most valuable KGB asset in history (so far). The damage he has done to America is well beyong any wildest dreams Stalin would have.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:22 | 4820335 intric8
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Why not take your shite trollfaggotry back into the obozo-fawning comments section of lib media posts and push your shroomery there. Whats the tripe out of you asshats anyways, 'freedom from tyranny', 'democracy for ukraine' and 'putin is so anti-homosexual, i hate him', or 'putin is like hitler, like omg', or something to that effect no doubt lulz

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 20:28 | 4821684 Slave
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Chief is the dumbest motherfucker on this website. Whenever I see his dumb face I just down arrow and move on. Apparently he pissed a lot of you off with what he posted, alas, I'll never know what it was.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:03 | 4820521 F0ster
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at Chief Kessler


Quoting Buzzfeed... interesting. Didn't your people murder Michael Hastings? Your illegitimate military regime murders the real journalists before the truth can get to the people. We are the counter force to your treason. You are on the wrong side of history asshole!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:53 | 4820683 tony wilson
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hey chief

your avatar looks like scatman crowthers hong kong fooey the guy that took an axe in the chest in the shining movie.

scatman dats you old man scat

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 19:37 | 4821565 The_Prisoner
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I'll see your Max Seddon's State Department-approved trolling, and raise you a fuck-the-zionist-occupied-US government:

"Very interesting admission by a senior US diplomat: Russia "betrayed" the NWO"

Now go hangout at Buzzfeed with the other fifth columnists.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:58 | 4820698 Jack Burton
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Their lives only are of value if CNN reports it to be so. Otherwise they are just collateral damage in a western freedom spreading operation.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:59 | 4820262 813kml
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Chocolate helicopters to be followed by taffy tanks and fudge fighters.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:14 | 4820319 McMolotov
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The snozbombs taste like snozbombs!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:40 | 4820429 JuliaS
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Up next: 20 Ukrainian soldiers eaten alive along with their vehicles.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 15:51 | 4821061 swmnguy
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I'm guessing the liver-eating types ARE fighting for the Ukie coup regime.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:41 | 4822170 BlindMonkey
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Did we transport those canibal assholes from Syria?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:03 | 4820711 Uncle Remus
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."fudge fighters"


I thought Obiwrong said no US boots on the ground...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:41 | 4822171 BlindMonkey
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Mercs don't count.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:41 | 4820461 Rakshas
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Yeah, should take a few lessons from HCM's gang, I think the total of whirlybirds dropped in VN was in excess of 6000 lost to "enemy" action ...... quite a number due to mines and IED's planted in the treetops, take a lesson kids you will be needing it before this is over and for the love of god start playing with accoustic aiming systems - Apache's and Kiowa scouts are fucking tricky and thermal imaging is a whore to hide from as evidenced by the folks in Iraq and Afghanistan ........ /peanut gallery out

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:48 | 4820663 TheReplacement
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Thermal can have a hard time with tree cover.  Fortunately the USA is not just sand and rocks.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:03 | 4820716 Jack Burton
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You make a good point Rakshas. Look at the videos of the fighting areas. Many are urban or heavily wooded. This right there allows defenders a huge advantage over air power and armored vehicles. Though this is not like Vietnam jungle, the forests do provide enough cover for defenders to fight on more even terms. In the NATO war on Serbia, the Serbian army used cover and camouflage to nearly totally negate the NATO air attacks. Very few vehicles or troops were hit by many thousands of air strikes. In East Ukraine, we see enough forest to allow similar results. In short, Kiev's Coup troops must advance and fight on the ground, air attacks will not break the local fighters.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:52 | 4820877 813kml
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I'm sure that Monsanto has a few million barrels of Agent Orange collecting dust that could remedy the situation.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 16:27 | 4821175 Joe A
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That is why NATO went from targetting military objects in Yugoslavia to targetting civilian targets such as hospitals, markets, commuter trains and random houses in random villages. NATO thought they would need 48 hours to bring Yugoslavia on its knees but instead it took them 78 days. The Yugoslavia army for example had one brigde camouflaged and 300 meter further they built a dummy bridge which was bombed. They then rebuilt that dummy bridge. There were tanks made out of cardboard. Soldiers were spread out in the country side staying in weekend houses. Air defense was cunning and managed to take down a F117 for which the Serbs then apologized saying that they didn't know it was invisible.
NATO was relentless in it air campaign because no NATO country wanted a ground war. Serbs were just waiting for NATO to cross the plains of Vovojdina. After that the terrain becomes hilly and mountainous and difficult to conquer but perfect for partizan actions as the Germans found out in WWII. This combined with the fact that many civilians in Serbia have weapons (nr 2 in the world after the US but without the frequent mass sprey killings) prevented a land campaign.

NATO used cluster bombs and DU weapons. At one point, the Russian sent a military unit from Bosnia to Pristina airport in Kosovo. When the Brits went there -under the command of James Blunt the singer who at that time was captain in the British army- NATO commander Wesley Clarke ordered them to engage them. The British superior to Blunt then told Clarke "I am not going to start WWIII for you". Clarke now has vested business interest in Kosovo. As does Albright.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 19:57 | 4821614 disabledvet
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Cool. I wonder what they'll use this time?

Oh, wait...what I meant to say was...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 22:39 | 4822000 COSMOS
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Allbright, ah yes you mean Jabba the Hutt, that bitch needs her own Deathstar so she can wipe out planets with large children populations on them

I am surprised the Serbs never did a hit on her years later for payback, as well as the Iraqis.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 01:59 | 4822340 Joe A
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She will think the price is worth it.

When she launched a book in the Czech republic (I think it was in CZ) a Czech-Serbian support goup protested. Albright called them 'disgusting Serbs'. There is a little known fact that Albright originally is from that region. She and her family were Jewish and converted to catholism. Her farther was a diplomat and they found refuge in Serbia during WWII escaping persecution by the Nazis. he Serbs welcomed them and protected them before they made their finale escape to the US. She repaid Serbia by bombing it to pieces 65 years later.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:41 | 4821862 Flagit
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And if you look back far enough, I'm sure the contract for Bell Helicopter was on the up-and-up. No backdoor deals or insider connections.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:54 | 4820480 skidsmango1
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...first post...seems all normal to me.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:18 | 4820568 MansaMusa
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lol, Ukraine will 3D print them; Google got the contract for Ukraine's gold ETFs (joke)

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:43 | 4820647 TheReplacement
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Apparently all Ukrainian cameramen/women have Lou Gerhrig's disease and an utter lack of understanding the concept of keeping the camera pointed in the direction of the that which you mean to see.

Oh, and tell that damn dog to STFU.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 17:30 | 4821299 LeisureSmith
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Blatantly injecting my self to point out that: The description of the video should mention that somone got a hit on one of the choppers at 19.... seconds.

Looks that way to me anyways.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:04 | 4820095 intric8
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Shitstorm incoming

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:48 | 4820227 813kml
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This seems appropriate...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:19 | 4820342 Urban Redneck
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GRADs used against a civilian area?

The Ukey-Nazis make the Israelis look downright kind to those they are trying to oppress.

That sort of shit is usually only permissible for imperial powers outside of full blown nation-on-nation grudge matches.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 17:47 | 4821333 Sirius Wonderblast
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US using Soviet weaponry by proxy. Ironic.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:08 | 4822088 Quus Ant
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let me know when the Ukey-Nazis start using white phosphorous. 

No one cares about palestinians. 

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:47 | 4822180 BlindMonkey
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They WP the Israelis used was for smoke, not incendiary.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 00:11 | 4822222 Quus Ant
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Israel admits it used incendiary WP.

"The army said in a statement that it would replace white phosphorus shells with ones based entirely on gas. Officials didn't offer further details, nor give a specific date for when they would retire the shells. Israel came under heavy criticism after the three-week winter war in Gaza in 2008 and 2009 against the territory's Hamas for using white phosphorus shells. During the conflict, shells were used against a UN warehouse where more than 700 Palestinians were sheltering. "

Yeah.  They're assholes. 

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 18:19 | 4831436 BlindMonkey
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Read the article.  They didn't.  They used the rounds that have WP coated felt that smokes.  It is hot but it is not intended to burn but rather smoulder the felt and produce a lot of smoke.  It is hot so it can burn things around it but burning is byproduct.  The source of the war crimes accusations is that when used in a built up area, they should know it will burn structures and anyone that the WP touches. 

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:05 | 4820097 Ratscam
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Obomber pledges 1bn USD for estern Europe. Congratulations for stirring up the conflict jerk.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:15 | 4820119 ThisIsBob
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Jesus Christ.  The United States can't even keep thousands of unaccompanieed children from crossing the Rio Grande, yet it is going to protect the borders of Eastern Europe against a big bad bear?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:16 | 4820126 disabledvet
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Nope...we're gonna take Moscow...and THEN we'll have a border problem!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:31 | 4820178 SpanishGoop
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Seems some people in Kiev and DC already have a borderline problem.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:54 | 4820246 813kml
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Confirmed as borderline personality disorder.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:29 | 4820377 disabledvet
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Well technically speaking it's called a "personality disorder"...there is a philosophical question as to what a "personality" actually is. Truthful, honest, amiable, social...those are normative.

"Then there are the other ones."

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:29 | 4820166 gcjohns1971
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The United States Government doesn't want to protect the southern border.

It WANTS lots of new entrants to the bottom level of the Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid Ponzi Scheme.


It DOESN'T WANT to lose Europe.  If it loses Europe it becomes nothing more than a regional power again.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:22 | 4820353 Bananamerican
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Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:46 | 4820449 Pure Evil
Pure Evil's picture is Mexico.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 18:00 | 4821361 Sirius Wonderblast
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As we are seeing here in UK and Europe. TPTB like immigration because in  their short-termist view it nicely dilutes opposition from native voters. This is why they are keen to enfranchise every new arrival asap, and the less able the better to get them hooked on the states poisoned teat. Ironically, previous waves of migrants (who are often skilled and/or industrious) dislike the workshy new arrrivals even more than natives. For such reasons, we find multi-racial support for anti EU and anti-establishment parties. There's a lot of this sentiment here these days, and such feelings tend to run very deep - the numpties have sown a whirlwind.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 03:21 | 4822383 Reptil
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Yes, this is true. Nicely put.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:09 | 4821788 tvdog
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The great thing about illegal immigrants is that they pay into Social Security but have no hope of ever getting anything out of it.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:38 | 4820423 Lmo Mutton
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Banksters financing both sides?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:03 | 4820482 JuliaS
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There's a quote I vaguely remember that you sell one side just enough weapons to win, and just enough hope to the other, to keep fighting.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:44 | 4820439 tonyw
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when the only thing you have is guns and fake money then all solutions involve that:-(

i thought it was only yesterday he said other solutions to using guns were required??

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 03:20 | 4822382 Reptil
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IMO that 1bln US$ is not against Russia or whatever. That's another stream of money.
It's to protect the "ruling elite" in europe.
Since the US has these people in their pocket since 2002.
The "reassurance force" or whatever they call it, is nothing but an OCCUPATION force to cement the coming TTIP-TAFTA.
Mark my words you'll see american soldiers protecting "democracy" within a few years inside europe. And drones. Many drones.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:07 | 4820101 CrimsonAvenger
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Oh please, if this was important to me as an American, it would be all over CNN. What THEY say is important to me is the stabbing of some 12 year old girl in Milwaukee.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:56 | 4820254 Cathartes Aura
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give it a couple minutes, the "news feed" will shift, you might get some more of the heroic Snowden pearls. . .

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:23 | 4820355 Herd Redirectio...
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Yesterday, Vince McMahon's WWE was trying to Use Snowden, Putin, and "Mother Russia" to try to stir a crowd reaction (of furious boos, and USA chants, of course).

Its really quite telling.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:55 | 4820487 The_Dude
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Fell out of my seat laughing the other day when I'm flipping channels and see CMT busting out the good ol' anti-Ruskie propoganda of Rocky IV.....I am sure the Viacom Tribe leader would like to have them put it on 24-hour loop but it might look too obvious.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 23:41 | 4822167 Real Estate Geek
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And then the BBC serves up this steamer. (Suh-prise, suh-prise!)

Russian image has deteriorated - BBC World Service poll


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:11 | 4820107 Dr. Engali
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Fucking people will never learn. They eagerly kill each other off while the bankers, politicians, and the MIC get rich at their expense. Same as it ever was, and days like today I have little hope for humanity.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:29 | 4820167 Dr. Richard Head
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Couldn't agree more.  Us plebes fight amongst ourselves and the masters abscond with it all.  Fucking bloody hell...

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:57 | 4820259 Spastica Rex
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But think about abortions, homos, and guns.

We have to fight.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:38 | 4820424 Harbanger
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The American left has been fighting and winning on all those issues.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 13:00 | 4820501 Spastica Rex
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Well, get busy, then!

You'll never win if you stop fighting over the important stuff.


Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:30 | 4820382 disabledvet
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Just ask Atomizer. "This is not an accident."

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:39 | 4820199 slightlyskeptical
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It doesn't end until it all crashes or some more powerful entity than the current cabal (let's hope there is one)  has decided they have seen enough and forces through major change. .

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:24 | 4820360 Herd Redirectio...
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No single entity is more powerful, or else we wouldn't be where we are.  But all other entities together (aka the Peasant Alliance) is more powerful, if it was organized and undivided.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:41 | 4820203 Bioscale
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They don't kill each other by accident.

They fight against the mencenaries paid by US tax payers and US central bank.

You americans just talk and talk and wonder why the rest of the world is fighting with soldiers paid by your fucking banksters and their secret services.

Yet you say people will never learn? Wake UP! Americans never learn and are yet to experience the hell they are have been making in the rest of the world.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:56 | 4820253 Dr. Richard Head
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Some of us Americans do understand that black ops mercanaries are inflamming the world in war and some of us aren't too pleased about it.  There is not much one can do in that situation.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:31 | 4820389 disabledvet
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You can call for regime change...or you can make it personal.

I recommend the former.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:18 | 4821809 shovelhead
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I called for regime change.

Instead, I got someone trying to sell me Obamacare.

I hung up.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:58 | 4820261 Anusocracy
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How many people did Hitler actually kill?

Very few.

How many people did those obeying Hitler kill?

Many millions.

The mob obedient patriotic slaves is the problem.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:04 | 4820723 tony wilson
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how many people did churchill kill in his long rothschild war making life?

how many boyz did he rape

how much booze did he swill down his fat fucking gullet

if todays media are anything too go by hitler was innocent

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 15:07 | 4820909 Volkodav
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Churchill was a War Criminal

Sitting at Yalta is three

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 21:26 | 4821830 Terminus C
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You are only a war criminal if you lose the war, because then you don't have enough power to stop the other war criminals from hanging you out to dry (as a distraction from their own war crimes).

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:10 | 4820109 laomei
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I'm going to just flat out assume that the US media is ignoring this entirely? Seems like it would rather inconvenient if the american sheeple saw what they were paying for.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:08 | 4820302 Relentless101
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Exactly. This is such a proxy war, and most people seriously think it is just Ukraine wanting to be freeeeee. LOL. Does anyone know the specs on the downed jet? Is it even conceivable that it could be shot down by the average "rebel"? It just seems impossible to me that some eastern Ukrainian could step out of his house and gun down a jet fighter with an AK. Maybe the chopper, but even that has to be a tough shot right?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:33 | 4820401 disabledvet
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Proxy War against Russia? Bwhahahahahahahaha.

Google "Army Groupe Center" and go from there.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:48 | 4820453 tonyw
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the sheeple wanna see what they're paying for? warning graphic content:-( slaughter in Lugansk admin building 02 June death in the park in front of admin building  02 June

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:57 | 4820495 Relentless101
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Straight from wikipedia.

A proxy war is a conflict between third parties fighting on behalf of more powerful parties.

I'm not sure where you get lost on this.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:10 | 4820112 CitizenPete
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Date and Marry Ukrainian Women -- availability going up each momement.  


I find it odd that Russian and Ukrainian surplus ammo (i.e.: 7.62x54R), and new factory ammo (7.62x39, 54R, etc. and many differerent brands: Wolf, GoldenTiger, et etc etc) from the Ukraine and Russia just keeps on floating over in containers.  Mind you, I am not complaining, just head scratching as to if and when this cheap ammo with dry up.   


Outside of the ATF banning steel core calibers that new models of pistols are chambered in, pne might think that the demand locally may have going up from a casual day at the range to a day (after day) at the helio / APC shoot. 

ya know? 

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:30 | 4820387 Seize Mars
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IMO a lot if that Russian ammo is very corrosive. Also much if it is in steel so there's no reloading dontchaknow.
My 2 cents: russkie machinery is fucking excellent, the chemistry is a nono.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 18:41 | 4821457 7.62x54r
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Corrosive primers have an absurdly long shelf life. Brit .303 ammo from the 19th Century still fires 100% if it was stored in a cool dry place. I don't see the Russians going to Lead Styphonate primers any time soon. Learn to pour some water down the barrel before cleaning it up.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:12 | 4820114 JustObserving
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Confirmed: Ukrainian air force fires over 150 missiles at Lugansk

Kiev has admitted showering the eastern Ukrainian city of Lugansk with dozens of missiles from the air, saying that its Air Force helicopters and jets “fired more than 150 missiles” in Monday’s military action.


The Nobel Prize Winner and the West are strangely silent on this massacre.  McCain is missing in action  and Nuland is out of fresh-baked cookies?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:22 | 4820144 intric8
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Man alive. ukrainian airships slaughtering their kin again this morning. Was todays massacre the result of last nights world domination pillow talk between tricky vicky nudelman and her neocon assbite of a husband robert kagan, brainchild of 'the project for a new american century'? Is the plan to friendly fire every ukrainian citizen until nobody is left so nato troops can waltz right in? They'll still need cheap labor for the candy factory, i hope poroshenko realizes that.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:45 | 4820218 quasistable
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Detailed scheme of Russian Propaganda Network.

Impressive, but still, it doesn't explain why it actually works instead of making the opposite effect.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:18 | 4820332 McMolotov
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Are you the guy that designed the chart for Obamacare?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:51 | 4820436 quasistable
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Why are you asking me? I do not support obamacare either (one of the reasons why I visit this site since a year ago). In regards to Ukraine, it's called views consistency and integrity. And it seems that too many people here attempt to cure cancer with cholera. 

thanks for the image, btw.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 02:27 | 4822355 Tall Tom
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We don't need your money from USA or from EUSSR governments. On the contrary, I think such easy money would bring more thugs to feed on it, more corruption.


Since you are Ukranian (per post 4821044 which follows this) then just how does Obamacare affect you?


You are one dishonest fuck.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:50 | 4820231 intric8
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Numbnuts- check the 'member from' date of many commenters on ZH. We were around well before this ukraine bullshit became an issue, primarily concerned about fedres policies, not putin

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:16 | 4820309 nonclaim
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True, but not mutually exclusive.

Anyway, a major difference between humans and animals is the ability to plan for future complex events... what prevents a well funded operation creating multiple accounts on websites of interest and let it lie dormant until it is needed?

They say things are done for the majority
Don't believe half of what you see,
And none of what you hear
It's a lot like what my painter friend Donald said to me
"Stick a fork in their ass and turn them over,
They're done"

Lou Reed

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:20 | 4820345 ebworthen
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"The bizarre hive of social media activity appears to be part of a two-pronged Kremlin campaign to claim control over the internet."

Funny article, that.  You sure you don't work for The Onion?

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:32 | 4820392 intric8
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Im way more american than his black ass, i guarantee that

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 12:54 | 4820469 tonyw
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some of us want real journalism and real facts but unfortunately the MSM just isn't giving it.

And, yes we can take the truth.

Just had a look on the BBC webasite and one putin hater has over 2,000 posts in the last 20 days, nothing else mind you!

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:23 | 4820147 Bastiat
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That's not possible because some asshole shill said earlier it was a car bomb.

Tue, 06/03/2014 - 11:36 | 4820192 gcjohns1971
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Not a car bomb.  You can see something coming down from the sky in video.

It just doesn't look like a bomb.  Fuel tank?  Shot down fighter?  Who knows?


Go to YouTube and look at videos of rockets.  The rockets in question are UB-32 rockets.  There are videos and pictures of them firing.  I posted a picture in the 'Air Attack' thread.  The explosion in the park is not rockets.

It looks more like a fuel explosion.  There was burning.  Bombs and rockets make a flash, a fireball, and then they are gone.   Any remaining smoke or fire is usually from whatever the bomb/rocket hit burning.

This doesn't indicate KIEV is innocent - just that the particular explosion in the park doesn't look like a bomb or rocket.

One question I had from the video was this:

Where was the fighter Jet's wingman?   The only thing flying along with him is making a smoke trail... and a rocket would fly faster, not slower, than the fighter that fired it.  A bomb has no motor would not leave a smoke trail.

MAYBE.... the smoke trail is his wingman?

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