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France Responds To US BNP Fine, Will Train Hundreds Of Russian Seamen To Operate French-Made Warship

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In the aftermath of the Russian sanctions, which French president Francois Hollande vehemently approved after constantly slamming Russia's involvement in the Ukraine conflict, and even went so far to threaten the cancellation of a delivery of a powerful French-made amphibious assault warship, the Mistral, to be delivered to Russia something happened: in the latest demonstration of its impotence to punish domestic bankers, the US decided to slap a French bank, BNP Paribas with a $10 billion fine for money laundering.

As a result, France has suddenly found itself battling two populist fronts: on one hand it had to continue its foreign policy track of siding with NATO and the US when it comes to Russian developments; on the other it had to responds to howls of protest from the population bashing the US for having the temerity to punish its flagship bank (recall "France Furious At US $10 Billion BNP "Masterful Slap", "Racketeering" Fine").

Today, it was revealed that in weighing the two evils, it picked what it thought was the lesser one, and as the WSJ reports "a group of 400 Russian sailors are scheduled to arrive on June 22 in the French Atlantic port of Saint-Nazaire to undergo months of instruction before some of them pilot the first of two Mistral-class carriers back to Russia in the fall, said one of these people."

As the WSJ explains, the training is a pivotal step that deepens France's commitment to fulfilling the €1.2 billion ($1.6 billion) contract to supply Russia with the carriers, which are built to launch amphibious attacks with landing craft, helicopters and tanks.

That this is taking place even as the U.S. and other allies have called on the government of President François Hollande to cancel the contract, "arguing the ships will significantly enhance Russian naval power at a time when the Ukraine crisis has raised tensions with the Kremlin to their highest levels since the Cold War," demonstrates conclusively that money talks and diplomacy walks. It also demonstrates that in the increasingly more fragile western alliance against Russia (recall further that German commercial interests have made it quite clear they will not agree with any further Russian sanctions over fears of lost revenue), Obama's foreign policy partners are dropping like flies when the opportunity cost is lost business with the Kremlin.

More from the WSJ:

Paris insists the training doesn't tie its hands and that it won't make a final decision on the delivery until October. But Mr. Hollande's government also has said France intends to honor the contract, and privately officials give no indication they will renege.

 

France's ability to reverse course on the delivery, defense analysts say, will be diplomatically and commercially constrained once the Russian Navy arrives on its shores to begin the training and prepare to drive the carrier home.

 

"Four hundred Russian trainees are rather difficult to keep below the radar," said Nick Witney, a defense analyst with the European Council on Foreign Relations. Other observers say that Paris's credibility to deliver on future contracts is also at stake.

As noted, Obama will not be happy and the training of Russian seamen will surely be a topic of hot debate between Obama and Hollande when the two meet in Paris today, on the eve of D-Day commemorations on the beaches of Normandy, where ironically Russia's Putin will not be present, but Ukraine's new "chocolate king" president will be.

It is not just Obama who will be furious with the latest revelation, further impairing his foreign policy credibility: other European nations are sure to voice their anger too, most notably Poland which feels particularly threatened by developments in the Ukraine:

For months, France has faced staunch opposition from the Obama administration and other Western governments including the U.K. to the plan to sell the ships—criticism that has grown in the wake of Russia's annexation of Ukraine's breakaway Crimea region. In an interview published in French daily Le Monde on Monday, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski warned Russia might use the ships to "threaten neighbors."

"We have named Russia as an aggressor in Crimea, and I don't think France would want to be supplying useful arms to an aggressor," Mr. Sikorski said.

However, as stated earlier money, Russian money, talks:

The tug of war over the Mistral illustrates how Europe's reliance on Russian resources risks unraveling strategic alliances that helped the West win the Cold War. The European Union is deeply divided over how far the bloc should go in imposing sanctions on Russia over its Ukraine incursion. Russian natural gas powers homes and businesses across Germany, the EU's biggest economy, while Russian oligarchs store their fortunes in U.K. banks.

 

France's economy—hobbled by decades of de-industrialization and rising labor costs—is hungry for large defense contracts that could help get the country's beleaguered shipyards back on their feet. Saint Nazaire, a port which boasts a proud history of building France's biggest ships, now relies on the occasional cruise-ship contract for economic survival.

 

The government says about a thousand jobs are at stake, in a country with more than 10% unemployment and a stalled economy.

 

Calling off the Mistral contract, a French official said, would be akin to "shooting yourself in the foot," forcing Paris to take the costly step of reimbursing Moscow.

 

France has already completed the first ship and built half of the second Mistral, which is scheduled for delivery in 2015. The second ship is named The Sevastopol after the Crimean port that serves as a headquarters for Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

Incidentally, the Mistral will fill a key missing void in Russia's Black Sea fleet: the ability to launch amphibious assaults on bordering nations, such as Georgia.

The Mistral, which looms over the town, is a potent weapon. The length of more than two football fields, the ship is designed to edge up to a shoreline and deploy more than a dozen tanks and attack helicopters as well as hundreds of troops. This type of ship is also an integral part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's defenses, using sensitive communications technology to coordinate operations with other NATO ships. The potential transfer of that technology to Russia has long worried policy makers on both sides of the Atlantic.

 

The ship also plugs a crucial gap in Russia's armed forces. Moscow boasts one of the world's largest armies and a formidable air force. But Russia's Black Sea fleet lacks an amphibious vessel like the Mistral, capable of launching a land invasion. That weakness deprived Moscow of a crucial knockout punch in 2008, when Russian troops invaded Georgia but never managed to dominate the former Soviet countries shoreline, forcing a stalemate.

 

"A ship like that would have allowed the Black Sea Fleet to accomplish its mission in 40 minutes," Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Vysotkiy said at the time.

Ironically, it was none other than former French president Sarkozy, who had brokered the truce between Russia and Georgia in 2008, who proposed building the ship which would have made Russia's annexation of Georgia a walk in the park.

The proposal to sell France's prized warship to Russia grew out of the Georgian conflict. In October 2008, France's president at the time, Nicolas Sarkozy met with his counterpart President Dmitry Medvedev in the Alpine town of Evian in a bid to shore up a fragile truce Mr. Sarkozy had brokered between Russia and Georgia weeks earlier. By offering to sell Russia the Mistrals, Mr. Sarkozy aimed to persuade the Russians that NATO was no longer an enemy.

 

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili flew to Paris to protest the sale, but Mr. Sarkozy brushed aside his complaints during a tense meeting in the Élysée Palace, according to a French official. "Look Mikheil, Russia is not going to invade Georgia with this boat," Mr. Sarkozy said, according to the official. Mr. Sarkozy then quipped that it was no use worrying about a Russian invasion, because the Russians were "already in your territory."

 

Years later, the sale has come back to haunt France's government.

And now it is set to haunt the US as well: "Last month, Assistant Secretary for Europe Victoria Nuland told U.S. lawmakers: "We have regularly and consistently expressed our concerns about this sale."

Things are only set to get worse for the State Department once photos of hundreds of "sanctioned" Russian troops being trained by the French hit the front pages of newspapers around the world, in clear defiance of US policy:

French officials haven been poring over the technical details of the training session and deliberating how to temporarily house the Russian troops while they are in French territory without attracting too much attention, said one of the people familiar with the matter.

 

Russia and France had planned to lodge the troops in a Russian vessel docked in Saint-Nazaire, but the person said French officials are reviewing more discreet options.

Meanwhile it is none other than Putin who continues to have the last laugh, again, and again.

 

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Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:08 | 4822529 stant
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Maybe France will sail them to ny and demand gold like they did in 71

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:11 | 4822537 GetZeeGold
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They'll have to get by the gauntlet of German U-boats. They just might try it with Russian personnel....what the hell do they care?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:22 | 4822561 PartysOver
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That will be some crowded waters.  

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:27 | 4823298 PT
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Globalisation will bring us world peace!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:27 | 4823549 zaphod
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Russia must be in very bad shape to consider purchasing French made ships. I'd rather go to war in a wooden canoe.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:37 | 4823580 PT
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I had a wooden car - wooden seats, wooden engine, wooden brakes, wooden steering wheel, wooden radiator, wooden carbies ...
Trouble is, it wooden go!

Sorry.  Just beware what you say, it might remind me of something silly.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 14:12 | 4827492 mianne
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BNP fined versus training Russian sailors . It is a case of the biter bit ( in French we say "l'arroseur arrosé", that is the waterer getting wet in return") Let us hope the ships have no leaks !!!

Why should French bank  BNP be fined and not American firms British Petroleum and Exxonmobil who also disobeyed the US boycott, this time  against Russia, by signing contracts  with Russian firms at Saint-Petersburg International Forum on 24 May 2014?
On 24 May,  British Petroleum signed a contract with Russian oil giant Rosneft for exploring oil in Central Russia . ExxonMobil signed a contract for taking part in building a terminal to the Pacific Coast for Russian liquid gas.
If BP and EXXONMOBIL are not condemned ten billion dollar fines each as well, we should suspect the American justice of extorting money from foreign firms for the sake of their unsolvent nation.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:22 | 4822563 Tabarnaque
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This is brilliant! One has to marvel at the ability of these idiots in WDC to shoot themselves in their own foot. They are so arrogant that they have lost any sign of intelligence.  

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:27 | 4822580 NoDebt
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The rest of the world has already noticed.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:49 | 4822648 COSMOS
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Will they be serving Freedom Fries in the mess hall of these ships?

The ten billion dollar fine is meant to tell the French you will lose more money if you sell those ships.

We will have to see how long French pride lasts.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:10 | 4822737 power steering
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They make it sound like a spontaneous, knee-jerk reaction to US flubs. Obama is a fool buit I don't think you build 2 aircraft carriers and expect somebody will show up to buy them later like a spec home.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:47 | 4822921 Stuck on Zero
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Maybe the two ships will be "Rainbow Warriored" before they leave dock.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:24 | 4823089 Never One Roach
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France's economy, like many others, is in serious trouble. The last thing they need is a cancellation of some huge orders of manufactured goods (war materials here) and loss of future armament contracts. The weapons trade [as previously reported here on ZH and other papers] is a massive revenue stream for many of these countries. Shuttered factories and high Yute unemployment of anxious, distraught yung'ns is definitely NOT what these countries want.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:28 | 4823301 TBT or not TBT
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The problematic youths are already unemployed or underemployed. They aren't in shipbuilding.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:59 | 4822982 Urban Redneck
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The ten billion dollars for the clowning around of a few BNP asshats...

One could buy about a dozen Mistrals and create thousands of steel and shipbuilding jobs in France (even with their grossly inefficient labor system) for the same ten billion Bernanke/Yellen asswipes.

If one strung up Eric the Bagholder and took all his bankster extortion bucks they could finance some hefty job creation that might actually benefit "his people"...

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:21 | 4823068 Jack Burton
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That was one of the best one sentence descriptions of present American foreign policy I have read! "They are so arrogant that they have lost any sign of intelligence."

I see American foreign policy as a case of the government of the USA beginning to believe their own propaganda about their exceptionalism. If you heard Obama's speech on foreign policy at West Point, you will note that he claimed an absolute right to act unilaterally on the world stage, and to be under no obligations regarding international law, recognized borders and other nations interests. He said if the USA decides it is in American interests to act, then AMerican actions are legal, by the might makes right principal. In short, all other nations are obligated to follow UN mandates and international law, the USA, as exceptional, need follow no laws, rules or regulations. Thus the Iraq invasion was not a war crime, but a unilateral act by the USA, which is a right of the one exceptional nation.

This type of policy will lead to world war, just look at Ukraine yesterday, where Obama's Right Sector fighters killed 25 Ukrainian resistance fighters in their hospital beds. Perhaps more were executed , the count is still coming in. Still, by all norms of accepted warfare, this is a war crime. To shoot wounded men in a hospital is a war crime. But Obama supports the Kiev RIght Sector fighters as allies of the NATO, so nothing will be said or done. Also, a missile attack like 2 days ago, could be comsidered a war crime.

Ukraine acts under US direction. The head of the CIA and Vice President, and now Obama himself have all been to advie Kiev. The murders yesterday confirm that the USA leaders have told Kiev to act like the USA would act. NO international law applies to Ukraine. Ukraine as a US puppet, is now exceptional, and has rights Russia or East Ukraine do not have.

When payback for Kiev's war crimes does happen, and it will be paid back, then Obama will scream foul and demand an international war crimes trial. You see, there are two laws. The US and it's allies, i.e. Kiev, are endowed with the exceptional rights of making their own laws. At West Point Obama told the world that American Might, Makes Right. We will do what ever we please, and all others will be held to the international laws and be punished for breaking any of them.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:36 | 4823125 JRobby
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 Foreign policy tends to get real arrogant right before a major conflict starts.

 

The Nova Mob in full stride now. We need Inspector Lee and the Nova Police now!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:54 | 4823174 COSMOS
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Hey Jack didnt see or hear anything about those hospital murders on ZH or the news???

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 15:15 | 4824159 tonyw
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found this, poor English so something might have been lost in translation and of course not verified:

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734712

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:01 | 4823203 Buckaroo Banzai
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Obama's use of the term "American exceptionalism" is instructive.

The term has been used by three different constituencies:

Historians. De Tocqueville first referred to America as "exceptional". The idea being that as a country of immigrants fleeing repressive regimes and seeking freedom, America is unique among all nations.

Neoconservatives. They use the term in order to justify whatever stupid shit they want to do.

Communists. Wait, what?? "The exact term "American exceptionalism" has been in use since at least the 1920s and saw more common use after Soviet leader Joseph Stalin chastised members of the Jay Lovestone-led faction of the American Communist Party for their belief that America was independent of the Marxist laws of history "thanks to its natural resources, industrial capacity, and absence of rigid class distinctions". American Communists started using the English term "American exceptionalism" in factional fights."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 14:01 | 4914501 Totentänzerlied
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"Right Sector fighters killed 25 Ukrainian resistance fighters in their hospital beds."

When at least 1/3 of your economy (read: tax base) is at stake, you don't fuck around.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:25 | 4822791 Payne
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The French pride themselves on having several Mistresses.  Who is to complain ?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:18 | 4823273 Ignatius
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Vive' la France, or some such.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:32 | 4823315 TBT or not TBT
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Only the sociopathic ones. The ratio of the sexes over there is around 1:1, like in most other places, and like in most other places, attachment is mostly to one other person.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:37 | 4822610 drendebe10
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How many more countries will the policies of yhe arrogant corrupt narxissistic illegal alien sociopathic liar in chief alienate and drive into the arms of Putin? How do u spell gross incompetence? L-i-a-r-i-n-c-h-i-e-f...

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:55 | 4822684 dontgoforit
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IMHO this is his plan.  I suspect he is a Russian plant - the real Manchurian candidate

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:08 | 4822531 PR Guy
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Watch out for those French made exocet missiles (as the Brits found out in the Falklands)

 

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:34 | 4822596 what's that smell
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those frenchies and ruskies suck! USA! USA! USA!

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:11 | 4822732 Kirk2NCC1701
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I get that you're being sarcastic, but not everyone else does, judging by the arrows.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:11 | 4822740 power steering
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I junked you so clearly (?) I am a Mex

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:32 | 4822830 Pure Evil
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So does that make him a Gringo?

pejoritive: A pejorative (also term of abuse, term of disparagement, or derogatory term) is a word or grammatical form of expression that expresses contempt, criticism, hostility...

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:21 | 4823525 Winston Churchill
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Slang for Greek.

As in ,may as well be speaking Greek.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:19 | 4823514 JRobby
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+ 1,000

There can only be one of two clear choices. Don't think about it.

If your choice differs from mine, we go to war.

Dem or Repub?

What channel do you watch?

This or that?

Him or him, He or she?

Marketing

what a society of idiots we have become.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4822933 realWhiteNight123129
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4

Exocet were reliable missile indeed.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:08 | 4822532 Jlasoon
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We're just making friends everywhere. 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:16 | 4822540 GetZeeGold
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Apple pie and marxism.....what's not to love?

 

We just sent 5 highly trained muslim terrorists back to the world.....you're welcome.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:18 | 4822555 ParkAveFlasher
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I'd be careful throwing around the word "apple" if I were you.  I do believe it's trademarked.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:50 | 4822658 COSMOS
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Those guys will do the work for the USA in SYRIA.  That is why they were released and the US prisoner was just an excuse to get these boys on the ground in Syria.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:08 | 4822848 Pure Evil
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Ah......the Qatar connection, or

"Dr. Regime Change: or How I Was Raped By A New Pipeline Shoved Up My Backdoor."

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:33 | 4822595 Tabarnaque
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The story about prisoner exchange doesn’t make sense. Why did they exchange 5 Taliban prisoners for a deserter? It looks more like Obozo wanted to do a favor to the Taliban. Bergdhal is meaningless for the USSA. So why free 5 Taliban commanders in exchange of a deserter?

 

There is more to this story.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:56 | 4822688 autofixer
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Is anyone talking about the VA scandal now?  Baam! Winning!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:04 | 4822690 Idaho potato head
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He wants to use them in Syria.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:14 | 4822753 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not so sure he's a real 'deserter'.  How do you know he's not being provided with "deep cover"?

Don't forget... the breadth and depth of Deception in the spy trade is way beyond the common man, and beyond most in the business itself.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:26 | 4823281 Almost Solvent
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Same thoughts myself.

 

Obo is a fuckhead, but to "give up" 5 for 1 (deserter no less!) the WH had to know this blowback was coming. But might be worth it if he was not actually a deserter.

Dude might even be subject to a show trial - but when he's either found not guilty (freedom) or convicted (is there a live webcam in his 'cell'?) it won't matter because he will be put wherever the spooks want him. Maybe even back in the field!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:15 | 4823261 IndyPat
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Maybe it was so the Taliban won't sing about the arms deal gone bad in Benghazi?

Just digging the hole deeper.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:19 | 4823275 earnyermoney
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Notice 2 of the 5 "alledgedly" comitted war crimes as they slaughtered large numbers of shia Muslims. Hmm, which brand of Muslims run Syria and Iran? These guys are on Al CIAduhs' payrole. Can not leave Qatar until their work in Syria is complete.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:21 | 4823524 JRobby
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Much, much, much more.

Arrogance.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:40 | 4822615 drendebe10
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Y nithin on ZH re terrorist dream team exchange for alleged coward , traitor muslim?  Another gr8 move by the arrogant narcissistic illegal alien ignoramus liar in chief.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:15 | 4822546 Sudden Debt
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With the first BNP fine, all I was thinking: what about those American banks?
You can't fine a foreign bank, police your own shit first.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:23 | 4822573 NoDebt
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Remember months ago when I told you the US is NOT your friend and not to depend on us to do the right thing?  I think you're starting to see what I meant by that.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:56 | 4822692 Sudden Debt
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A few weeks ago I was talking to my parents about russia and the US and all.
My father just said: We must be greatfull we have the US and whatever they decide is the right thing, they're the police of the world.
Bam, discussion closed.

And a very large amount still thinks this way. The NSA spying? If the US says it's good, who are we to question that.

And when I say: the US is not what it was 10 years ago, they don't want to hear it.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:04 | 4822717 shouldvekilledthem
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A few weeks ago I was talking to my parents about russia and the US and all. 

My father just said: We must be greatfull we have the US and whatever they decide is the right thing, they're the police of the world.
Bam, discussion closed.

 

Mind that these generations grew up hearing only pro US propaganda without any independent sources to gain information.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:30 | 4822815 Spastica Rex
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If you do things the American way, you can have a Big Mac®.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:24 | 4823536 JRobby
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For breakfast. lunch and dinner! Then vomit yellow crap all over the sidewalk like that guy in "Supersize Me"

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:47 | 4822914 Citxmech
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Our foreign policy has been this fucked-up since at least WWI.  (Read Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket")  It's just that we were on the up-slope of the growth curve then and it was easier to sell the pablum to the masses.  It's much more difficult to now, in spite of many "true believers" of the propaganda.

It's not just the US that's in decline though (which it is). Now, everyone's fighting for the last dregs at the bottom of the punch bowl.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:39 | 4823134 Jumbotron
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Funny how things are getting more insane by the year as we run out of cheap energy.  This includes our self importance and self righteousness.  Rhetorically and militarily we are writing checks our bodies can't cash.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:26 | 4823548 JRobby
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Mine too. They completely trust the GOV to do the right thing for us all.

I have to stay out of it with them. My dad has a heart condition.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:32 | 4822586 ThisIsBob
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Holder apparently believes that a foreign governments' investigation of US banks operating in their countries would turn them all up lilly white.

It will come around, asshole.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:59 | 4822700 williambanzai7
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It is a known fact that French politicians are street walkers.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:14 | 4822752 power steering
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Hic hic snort

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:17 | 4822764 Kirk2NCC1701
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They prefer to be perceived as Pragmatic, rather than Dogmatic.  Different worldviews, different survival strategies.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:34 | 4822838 Spastica Rex
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At this point in history, I would invite ideologues everywhere to stick a dick in it.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:05 | 4823015 silentboom
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The same with morality, there's no room in a fiat world for that shit!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:16 | 4823056 Spastica Rex
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We each need to worry about our own morality. Lead by example.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:42 | 4823142 silentboom
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But Pepsi told me to "Live for now" when they changed their logo to an Obama symbol.  That's why I'm bought a second merserati or whatever you call them with the equity in my home.  I got a great deal, they threw in some fuzzy dice.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:03 | 4823221 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Fuzzy dice, bongoes in the back,
my ship of love is ready to attack."
-- FZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMSQ1vCxZJU

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:29 | 4823100 Never One Roach
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French philosophers are some of the greatest:

 

“It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”

 

~ Volatire

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:08 | 4822533 Tao 4 the Show
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BTW, the new French military policy will be to mount guns on the soldiers rumps that will automatically fire when they start running. Studies indicate it will result in a near 100% improvement in effectiveness.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:40 | 4822875 Pure Evil
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Actually those gun mounts will need to be self-leveling since Frogs like to jump as they hop away from danger.

(I would have used Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey but once you've surrendered what's the use of running away.)

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:11 | 4823674 Analyse2
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In fact this ugly disdain and pitiful jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.

Since France refused to go to Iraq, American warmongers and neo-cons made French army look like cowards – as a punishment. But History has proved the French were right.

Nevertheless, the hate of american warmongers against France remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.

BTW : Anyone daring to compare JEWS or BLACK PEOPLE with MONKEYS, would immediately, and rightly, be denounced by everybody as a nasty RACIST (or some sort of nazi) ... But it seems that in this country, which in fact owe its independence to the French, this kind of mean anti-french racism is pretty well tolerated …

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 19:01 | 4824952 Tao 4 the Show
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Silly guy. It was a joke. One of my best friends is French and we constantly rib each other's countries. He doesn't take the least offense and neither do I.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 16:14 | 4827910 Analyse2
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OK for you, but there is a great difference between private jokes between friends and public bashing.

I take these kind of public bashing for what it is:

When the French are treated of "Cheese-eating surrender MONKEYS", it is in the exact same way that the nazis before WW2 used to treat the Jews – denying them the right to be Human being, and calling them "dirty" "cowards" and "rats".

 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 14:59 | 4914688 r0mulus
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Better a cheese eating surrender monkey than a solipsistic, genocidal maniac, which is what the US war cheerleaders actually are. These jokes are really on them, don't worry.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:09 | 4822535 Stoploss
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LOL!!!!!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:09 | 4822536 kridkrid
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I would love to see a third side emerge. Go anarchists!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:12 | 4822541 BrosephStiglitz
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Kind of wish that the people in charge geopolitically would just participate in Thunderdome to sort their differences out.  Two men enter, one man leaves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk&feature=kp

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:22 | 4822564 ParkAveFlasher
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President Hulkster, your car is waiting.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:13 | 4822543 thatthingcanfly
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Behold the audacity of the American elites. Telling a foreign country to cancel an order for ships placed by another soverign nation we don't like. George Washington is rolling over in his grave.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:28 | 4822583 Hobbleknee
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Foreign, occupied country to be precise. Don't forget, Europe is covered with US military bases.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:53 | 4822669 COSMOS
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I dont get it, if they dont want those bases there they can just kick them out.  I think the Euros are using the USA, we pay for all their defense and they pay next to nothing.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:23 | 4822785 Mabussur
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No US bases in France.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:53 | 4823173 Ghordius
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remember the whole concept of global reserve currency? check how many container ships sail empty, and from where. but psst... it's not polite to mention this. better to stick with the story of "defense freeriding"

meanwhile, the whole yearly budget for defense in Russia is around 70 billions. the eurozone's aggregated one alone is twice that, the eu's three times that

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:51 | 4823618 JRobby
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Placed there just waiting for the scenario that seems to be presenting itself now...................................Reset

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:26 | 4823086 pashley1411
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George Washington is one thing, Thucydides another.    You think any of the copter-heads in the capital know how the Peloponnesian War got kick started?   What happens when France decides to "limit" its ties to NATO?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:56 | 4823183 Ghordius
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if you want to compare with the Peloponnesian War you have to write a bit more, too cryptic this way. yet anyway, France already took once a "vacation" from NATO

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:14 | 4822545 Kawaii Empress ...
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Off topic but I have to vent, just red a MSM article (from the best of the worst for the Ukraine events just to see if they are still pedalling their bullshit) and in one of the articles Barry O said that Pottyshitenko was a wise choice for Ukraine president, visionary because of his 'business experience (wink wink nudge nudge)' and praised him for 'reaching out to the east (S-8 fragment missles and all for great party experience)' according to the Guardian. Absolute cocksucker, fuck 'em all.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:44 | 4822623 Volkodav
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Poroshenko fortune from prostitution, weapons, drugs...and take over businesses by force in the time of troubles.

His Father was same. Ukrainian "Red Mafiya"  Private army persuaded or killed to takeover assets.

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:07 | 4822723 shouldvekilledthem
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Doesn't make any difference. All sides push for their very own gangsters to capture power over the resources.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:25 | 4822790 Kirk2NCC1701
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Then he simply copied a well-proven strategy that goes back almost a thousand years, to the Robber Knights of Europe.

After a while, the roving bands of Marauders realized that a better business model is to provide 'security' for the raid-plagued villagers.  They soon build forts (castles) and started charging the villagers ever increasing Protection fees.  In time, the leader passed on his power and wealth to his kids, and that's how the "Aristocracy" of the Middle Ages was born.

Economic and personal extortion has always been around -- in different forms, banners and labels.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:18 | 4822553 buzzsaw99
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$1.2B buys all that? the financial system has gotten so big and ridiculous that a single billionaire could buy his own navy.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:23 | 4822572 Jlasoon
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The LA Clippers are worth more than 2 French navy carriers? 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:37 | 4822607 buzzsaw99
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excellent point

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:10 | 4822736 yogibear
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If goes to show you how over-priced sports has become. TV rights and tickets keep going up.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:03 | 4823001 silentboom
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Thanks to the Federal Reserve.  Unfortunately a ham sandwich will soon be $1000.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:18 | 4822554 Herodotus
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Perhaps the US can get the British to attack and sink the ship while it is still in the French port. 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:14 | 4822750 shovelhead
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Good idea.

The could call it "Operation Churchill's Return".

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 18:22 | 4824830 AttilaTheHun
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Yes what with?

The British are reliant on the French to provide aircraft for their aircraft carriers (once they're actually built that is.)

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:19 | 4822557 BiteMeBO
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And this button opens the pastry case.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:10 | 4822734 BurningFuld
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You can also use the case to store your vodka. Neat huh?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:23 | 4822559 ThisIsBob
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Almost impossible for Putin not to have the "last laugh" considering what he gets to laugh at -  a barrel full of monkeys.  He  must occasionally feel like he's died and gone to heaven.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:27 | 4822565 Rakshas
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Not sure what the Russian translation will be but .......

ceci est mon drapeau blanc, il ya beaucoup comme lui mais celui-ci est le mien...........

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:33 | 4822588 Jlasoon
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Mon drapeau est plus gros, ecouter mois et ignorer tous les autre. Je suis ici pour vous aider.  

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:13 | 4823046 Oldrepublic
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rough translation of above

My flag is bigger, listen months and ignore all else. I'm here to help you.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:30 | 4822587 Smegley Wanxalot
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Seriously, why would any nation cooperate with the USA in any way, shape, or form anymore?  We fuck over everyone, we backstab our allies, we release hardened terrorists in trade for a worthless terrorist sympathizing cunt who deserted our soldiers, we arm and train terrorists, we draw red lines that our leadership wont back up, our POSident is proud to have accelerrated a national decline, our fellow citizens don't give a flying fuck about liberty, our NSA spies on every fucking person on the planet 24/7, we drone to death innocent people and say "oops, sorry, we'll try to do it better next time" ... I mean seriously, fuck uncle sam.  Putin is a far more reliable partner.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:35 | 4822598 Colonel Klink
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Because OBAMA!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:45 | 4822638 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Because that is how empires work ...

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:51 | 4822663 prains
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Because 300+ years of lyin, cheatin an stealin gotta come out in the wash sumtime

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:54 | 4822680 kridkrid
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collectively the world would be a better place if people could stop thinking in terms of black vs. white. Putin is a sociopath. He's no better or worse than the sociopaths who run the USSA shitshow. And just like the rest of the sociopaths who we see on the world stage... it's the sociopaths who we don't see who really wield power.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:08 | 4823229 Ghordius
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many reasons. first, we like America. second, we are related, also culturally. third, we are big partners in biz. fourth, we are allies

but yes, Sudden Debt is right... ten years, twenty years ago US policies were a bit more comprehensible, for europeans. most of us thought Obama would herald a new age

some of us even thought Obama would shrink the US defense budget to a quarter, a "peace dividend" for global prosperity

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:50 | 4822593 Colonel Klink
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Why is it that France designes some ugly ship? (sic)

EDIT: Seriously you guys think that looks good?  French engineering (saabs) look good?  I'll take a German (Porsche/BMW) or Italian (Ferrari) car over anything French.  Ok looks like I'm on my own on this one.  I guess no one mentioned the twin screws on the front for faster retreat.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:56 | 4822687 COSMOS
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I disagree colonel they have some nice designs in Peugeot and Citroen

http://betterparts.org/peugeot/peugeot-308/peugeot-308-coupe.html

I would say the French design much better than the Germans.  And from relatives in Europe they are very happy with the quality, more so than the German makes.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:05 | 4822706 Colonel Klink
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Fair enough, thanks for the courtesy of a response with I guess a well deserved down vote.  I have yet to see any decent Peugeot or Citroen.  I'll have to investigate further.  My last experience with Peugeot was a horrible engine in a Volvo 760 GLE.  Neither of those brands are stateside here so I really only have past models from which to form my opinion.

EDIT:  Looked at the car, looks good in certain respect but still has some goofy design flaws to it.  Still gave you an up arrow for fairness in your reply.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:26 | 4822798 Mabussur
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Saab is swedish, not French

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:47 | 4822917 Pure Evil
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He just hates the Frogs because they refuse to bathe and don't changer their underware more than once a month.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:07 | 4823028 Urban Redneck
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The Krauts are just as bad as the Frogs with (dis)respect to their bathing habits. At least the French try cover the odor before both (hypocritically) complain about "dirty" immigrants.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:26 | 4823547 Colonel Klink
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Dats rayciss, and I'm offended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtP2_ARY28

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:35 | 4823758 Haus-Targaryen
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Clearly never been to Germany have you? 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 19:08 | 4824970 Urban Redneck
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I can smell Germany from my house (and occasionally go there for cheap groceries).

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:53 | 4823172 Colonel Klink
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Thanks for the correction, I'm sure I mean Renault.  Either way they're still butt ugly.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 14:02 | 4823876 Analyse2
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@Colonel Klink

Renault engines are not so bad:

Renault is regularly champion of Formula 1 for the motors (at the moment with Red Bull)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Drivers%27_Championship

By the way, Renault is also the supplier for a lot of Mercedes motors:

1.5 DCI 90Ch : Class A, B, CLA

1.5 DCI 109Ch : Class B

1.6 DCI  : Class C

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 01:42 | 4825858 Colonel Klink
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Well they sucked aweful bad in the mid 80's.  I think they pulled out of the US markets around that time too.  Just sayin.  Maybe they've gotten better.  Thanks for the comment.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:21 | 4823076 Hobo Sapien
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Investigate here, my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbiV-8UYsPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6CS9eBn0O8

Full Disclosure: I owned a 1965 Citroen DS in the mid 80s, wish I still had it, worst problem with the car was cops tended to pull you overr just to get a betterr look at it. =)

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 10:54 | 4823176 Colonel Klink
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That's an ugly car.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 11:15 | 4823262 Colonel Klink
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Ok I like that one a bit more.  It's doesn't look so contrived.

And doesn't France reverse the brake and gas pedal?  Hahaha, J/K!

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 01:20 | 4829163 Hobo Sapien
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Weak. By "contrived" I think you  mean engineered. The DS had a drag coefficient lower than the Porsche 911 - this meant better mileage and less noise. I recall a trip from LA to Las Vegas, 4 people in the car in total comfort, cruising at 75-80 mph, getting 45mpg. From a 65 car. "Contrived"? You are so full of shit.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:11 | 4822743 shouldvekilledthem
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And from relatives in Europe they are very happy with the quality

 

The unreliablity of french cars are well known all across the EU. No wonder they lose value so quickly on the second hand market.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:33 | 4823752 Haus-Targaryen
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Ray Charles... is that you? 

French car quality is horrid.  GM and Ford from the 80s chased out the last remaining vestages of Frog automobilia.  *THINK ABOUT THAT* the worst American cars every built --- ever, chased out the French due to quality issues. 

Moreover in the UK, 7 out of the top 10 most UNRELIABLE cars were French. 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 14:17 | 4823937 Analyse2
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@Haus-Targaryen

False: 9 out of the top 10 most UNRELIABLE cars were German

Based on data gathered from millions of pounds worth of claims handled by Warranty Direct every year, the Reliability Index brings you the most comprehensive ...

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/

 

Bottom 10 Worst

Position

Make/Model

Reliability Rating

1

AUDI RS6

1126.00

2

BMW M5

691.00

3

Porsche 911 996

589.00

4

Mercedes-Benz CL

576.00

5

Mercedes-Benz V-Class

566.00

6

Bentley Continental GT

525.00

7

Mercedes-Benz GL

510.00

8

Mercedes-Benz SL

500.00

9

Mercedes-Benz R-Class

471.00

10

Audi Q7

470.00

Top 10 Best

Position

Make/Model

Reliability Rating

1

Honda Jazz

2.00

2

Mitsubishi Lancer

6.00

3

Vauxhall Agila

8.00

4

CHEVROLET KALOS

9.00

5

Toyota Yaris

13.00

6

Suzuki Alto

15.00

7

Mazda MX-5

16.00

8

Suzuki Liana

18.00

9

CITROEN SAXO

18.00

10

Honda HR-V

18.00

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:33 | 4822832 Victor999
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SAABs are Swedish....

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:39 | 4822612 Racer
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Well done France!

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:45 | 4822634 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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What, Carnival Cruise cancelled on this one?

 

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:09 | 4822733 Colonel Klink
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Thanks, that kind of justifies what I was saying.  The thing looks like a container vessel or unfinished cruise ship.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4822939 Citxmech
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That's more or less exactly what it is.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:45 | 4822639 Rootin' for Putin
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There are days when i wonder if US policy is made by day workers hired from the  local homeless shelter or something.
Obama should write a book called "How to win friends and influence people".  He could get it published on the back of a  sugar packet.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:00 | 4822703 shovelhead
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Haha.

I read the article and made a comment below but I could have tagged it here.

Obama has traded the 'Ship of State' for a clown car.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:47 | 4822643 drendebe10
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Not we but the ruling corrupt political elite and the corrupt narcisstic illegal alien muslim turd liar in chief.  It's not our country but the turds in gummint. The good n honorable men and women protecting our freedoms are tageting the wrong enemy.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:49 | 4822651 intric8
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America's gonna get gang raped by rest of the world powers at this rate. France will be standing by, holding the vaseline

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:58 | 4822697 COSMOS
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This is exactly why Putin wants to show Europe he is no threat with this military.  The idea is that USA is the playground bully and at some point all the little kids will gang up on him, ie they will drop the dollar.  The Russians and Chinese know the soft belly of the USA is the dollar reserve status.  Once that is gone the USA military and bases will shrink prodigiously.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:15 | 4822757 intric8
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Its one thing to recognize the potential value of a system based on an alternative reserve currency. Its quite another when the biggest beneficiary of the current system acts like a fucking punk towards everyone else. There's some major motivation going around to retaliate against western totalitarianism, and we're past the tipping point. The rate and severity of american decline is now completely in the hands of obozo, and he's bit off way more than he can chew for the next two years.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:16 | 4822761 BlindMonkey
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And the Japanese will be taking pictures. Lots and lots of pictures.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:50 | 4822653 young turk
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looks like the frogs are turning up the burner

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:50 | 4822656 shovelhead
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First Germany's quiet "nein" to sanctions and now Frances loud "Fuck off" on cancelling ship sales to Russia looks like another failed attempt by Obama to get his Euro-ducks to line up behind him.

It's starting to look like Europe doesn't want to follow a cooked goose.

Give it up Obama. Go home and play golf. You really suck at this job because it's far beyond the capabilities of a community organizer affirmative action hire.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:01 | 4822660 Azannoth
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"..most notably Poland which feels particularly threatened by developments in the Ukraine" the Ugly rear it's Head .. err or was is ugly head? whatever same thing

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:51 | 4822661 young turk
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who would buy a mechanical device from the French silly fools they really do not have a clue do they

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:09 | 4822730 shovelhead
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Lets be fair.

My high school girlfriend's Dad owned a Pugeot and it was the first car I ever saw that had fully reclining seats. The car ran like shit but those reclining seats while parking were awesome.

The French have their own unique take on functionality.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:18 | 4822765 headhunt
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Must have those reclining seats when they take their 1 hour morning break, 2 hour lunch break and 1 hour afternoon break.

Need to be able to recline for that amount of time each day.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 09:40 | 4822816 Bastiat
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Mistake 1- the Peugot; mistake 2 - letting your teenage daughter use it.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 08:51 | 4822662 Doom and Dust
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Fuck the US!

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