It's Not Just Europe; As Many As 16 California Counties May Seek Secession From The State

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Frustrated with their representation in government, residents in two of California’s northern counties are heading to the polls to decide whether they should consider seceding from the state. As Reuters reports, campaigns in both Del Norte and Tehama counties are underway to convince residents that permanently separating from California is in their best interests. As many as 16 counties in northern California could potentially join the movement, AP reports, though official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress. If they all decide to seek separation, the counties would make up about a quarter of California’s territory..."We have the water, forests, timber, we have the minerals. We have unspoiled agricultural land. We would be the wealthy state if we were allowed to go back and use our natural resources ourselves."

 

As RT reports, residents in two of California’s northern counties are heading to the polls on Tuesday to decide whether they should consider seceding from the state.

According to Reuters, campaigns in both Del Norte and Tehama counties are underway to convince residents that permanently separating from California is in their best interests. By supporting the measures at the ballot box, supporters would be pushing local officials to continue efforts to combine parts of northern California with parts of southern Oregon into the nation’s 51st state.

 

The new state would be called Jefferson, as a tribute to Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, who once believed that parts of the Western United States could form a freestanding republic.

 

If the measures are approved, local lawmakers would join other counties and continue to try and generate momentum for secession. Already, four counties – Glenn, Modoc, Siskiyou, and Yuba – have voted to join the effort, while others are waiting for the results in Del Norte and Tehama before taking action.

 

As noted by the Associated Press, as many as 16 counties in northern California could potentially join the movement, though official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress. If they all decide to seek separation, the counties would make up about a quarter of California’s territory.

 

Despite their size, however, the disgruntled counties only contain a small percentage of California’s inhabitants – Del Norte, for example, is home to just 28,000 of the state’s 38 million-strong population. Fed up with the way California allocates representatives – lawmakers are delegated based on population – secession supporter and organizer Aaron Funk sees the ballot as a way forward.

 

"We have 11 counties up here that share one state senator," he told the AP, noting that the greater Los Angeles area and San Francisco Bay have far more. "Essentially, we have no representation whatsoever."

The measure faces opposition, however, from groups who worry about how Jefferson would be able to support itself financially, especially since many of its residents are poor and unemployed. California already supplies most of the funding for infrastructure and education, and most of the large swathes of land are owned by the federal government – something that would remain the same even if Jefferson were to become a state.

"We have the water, forests, timber, we have the minerals. We have unspoiled agricultural land," added Funk to the AP. "We would be the wealthy state if we were allowed to go back and use our natural resources ourselves."

Still, the explanations don’t add up for opposing groups in Del Norte, who fear that approving a measure that calls for secession would simply result in lawmakers using their time debating the creation of Jefferson instead of fixing real problems.

While headlines are made across the pond as the wealthier nations' citizens seek secession from the poorer nations' demands... (and the poorer nations' citizens seek to leave the pressures of the richer nations' demands) it seems the same under-current is growing in America.

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max2205's picture

I hope they do it.....but wonder how long the turds will take over another paradise

SoberOne's picture

Peter Griffin tried it once. "Moamar, you never call!"

Comte de Saint Germain's picture

State of Jefferson = PSYOP destined to target dissent

strannick's picture

Seems having all these unbacked claims for limited supplies of metals is bullish after all. Duh

Handful of Dust's picture

I thought LA County already belongs to Mexico?

AlaricBalth's picture

I wonder if Sonoma County, location of Bohemian Grove, is one of the 16 counties seeking secession?

"The Bohemian Grove, that I attend from time to time—the Easterners and the others come there—but it is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, that San Francisco crowd that goes in there; it's just terrible! I mean I won't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."—President Richard M. Nixon

Manthong's picture

“official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress.”

Did the colonists have to go through all that rigmarole in 1776?

Did they ask King George for permission?

I forget.

g'kar's picture

"“official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress.”

Did the colonists have to go through all that rigmarole in 1776?

Did they ask King George for permission?

I forget."


Great point

AldousHuxley's picture

Good riddance!!!

 

poor county full of illegals and unemployed undereducated dingbats living off of wealth redistribution and government jobs want to cut themselves off from the gravy train? 

 

GO RIGHT AHEAD!

 

MAKE SURE THEY CAN'T COME BACK.

 

 

Bendromeda Strain's picture

So precious when you out yourself like that. They have resources, you have... you. Now beg for water, bitch.

Matt's picture

You mean the Federal government has resources. Whatever happened to federal lands being transferred once a territory becomes a state?

PFO's picture

Manthong,

Good point, but the stupid of these people burns! Folks in northern Snohomish Soviet of Washington also tried this in 1998-99 and got predictably squashed by the communist government in Olympia.

The answer is and has always been a MASS return to state Citizenship:

http://state-citizen.org/

Yeah-yeah I've heard all the "we can't do that it don't work" bullshit, but I know hundreds of state citizens and they did it, so can the rest of us!

WE DON"T NEED PERMISSION!!!

Regards,

PFO

discopimp's picture

Hey gringo, we don't need no stinking LA!  

Bro of the Sorrowful Figure's picture

if i move there, when people ask me what i am/where im from can i respond that im a "jeffersonian" instead of an american? sign me up.

Matt's picture

You would say Jeffersonian instead of Californian. Still American, though.

teslaberry's picture

everything is a psyop. 

 

the KGB took back control of what was left of russia after a number of years of collapse. 

they could not stop the collapse. their very existence accelerated it. 

intellgence agencies may be used to help the executive branch in general. but the shadow oligarchs always have their assets well placed. 

consider it the revolving door of state sponsored security. 

 

if SEC officials get jobs at goldman, where do ex-cia officers get jobs? and whom are their clients in the private sector endeavors. 

 

now you're thinking.....

teslaberry's picture

everything is a psyop. 

 

the KGB took back control of what was left of russia after a number of years of collapse. 

they could not stop the collapse. their very existence accelerated it. 

intellgence agencies may be used to help the executive branch in general. but the shadow oligarchs always have their assets well placed. 

consider it the revolving door of state sponsored security. 

 

if SEC officials get jobs at goldman, where do ex-cia officers get jobs? and whom are their clients in the private sector endeavors. 

 

now you're thinking.....

ZerOhead's picture

"We have the water, forests, timber, we have the minerals. We have unspoiled agricultural land,"

 

Precisely the reasons why secession will never be allowed.

The new "State of Jefferson" would stand a better chance of success in those arid & godforsaken counties where they did all that nuclear testing back in the 50's and 60's...

TahoeBilly2012's picture

At least it shows there is a strong Libertarian streak in Nor Nor Cal, I will take it! This is a direct vote against Obama, as my active enviro Mother on the North Coast says "see any Ombama stickers on any cars trucks arounbd here anymore?". These aren't your dumbshit So Cal-Hollywoodized progressives, the Democrats aound these parts cant stand Obama.

yrbmegr's picture

We'll see if these counties, with population of 28,000 and 63,000, respectively, even pass a secession resolution.  This is just strong bullshit.

Matt's picture

Isn't this just a referendum to decide whether to research succession? 

benb's picture

I am in Siskiyou County in Northernmost California where the State of Jefferson succession movement originates and know the players. The principal leader is commercial pilot who I strongly suspect has a long employment with none other than CIA’s infamous Air America. Yes… It looks to me like one of those old Stalin deals – “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”

Curiously a competing initiative which proposed forming a Republic within the bounds of Siskiyou County of which I was a proponent was defeated at the polls today by about 56 to 44%. The Commies came out of the woodwork lying and badmouthing, doing the Chicken Little routine to scare the sheep while the local judges (on the State payroll) were putting pressure on the County Council to shut up. Of course the local newspapers are all controlled by Das Ring of Soros. The fight against the implementation of Agenda 21 is going on here. It’s a very interesting situation. A good many people are pissed off.

 

Bendromeda Strain's picture

I wish you all success. Please do expound on this hunch of yours, if even in non-specifics:

The principal leader is commercial pilot who I strongly suspect has a long employment with none other than CIA’s infamous Air America. Yes… It looks to me like one of those old Stalin deals – “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”

benb's picture

Yes something is Rotten In Denmark and I’m not talking about last week’s Sleaze Ball Convention, The Bilderberg Group. The spokesman for the State of Jefferson movement is a guy by the name of Mark Biard. He has quite a following of naïve people. He is a commercial pilot and flies for the feds. He stated that he flew ‘dignitaries around at the 92’ Earth Summit. He is a Chemtrail denier. The local globalist rat newspaper chain can’t give him enough coverage. That same paper did its best to torpedo the real independence initiative, Measure C / Jefferson Republic which did make a decent showing.

He is going to be pressed to answer the question whether or not he flies for Air America.  If he does, (and I don’t think I’m wrong on this) he and his useful idiot lieutenants will be exposed.

Tic tock's picture

I don't know, it could be just the head of steam people are looking for. and they'll need revolving loans in dollars.

SafelyGraze's picture

at some point it will be noticed that the terms of the Treaty of Paris were predicated on the false claims of European monarchs to have conveyed good title to the Joint and Several States United

as a consequence, the Representative of these Joint and Several States United, Meeting during AD 1785 in Congress, had no authority to claim and divide the lands that are now occupied by the Michigan Company, the Ohio Company, the Indiana Company, the Illinois Company, the Minnesota Company, and the Eastern Wisconsin Company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Ordinance_of_1785

these companies are thus dissolved forthwith, their charters revoked, and the people within the surveyed lands are free to go about their business without further interference

hugs,
thomas "thomas jefferson" jefferson 

disabledvet's picture

"Next up Sourh Carolina."

They don't have the "we're dirt poor" problem like they had the last time either.

Chief Kessler's picture

You LIe!

Haven't they caused enough trouble already?

xtop23's picture

If I were to be able to escape the clutches of the Bay Area and Los Angeles basin voting blocks ....... I would be a happy man.

Of course that assumes that voting matters.

And that's assuming a LOT.

LosOsos's picture

I hope so as well. The idea for the state of Jefferson has been around since the early 1900's and was gaining momentum, and then we entered WWII and the project was forgotten.

Hopefully history doesn't always repeat itself.

thecoloredsky's picture

Never been to California but always heard northern california is completely a different place than down south. Makes sense.

Bollixed's picture

I lived in LA for 29 years. Rumor has it they speak English in Northern California.

NidStyles's picture

I hear they actually have civilized humans there as well. 

Cathartes Aura's picture

there's also been a call to "independence" for Cascadia - basically Oregon/Washington/BC region of Western Canada.

doubtful it would be "allowed" - though who's to say what the incoming years might hold as things fall apart.

the notion of N.California wanting to sell off its "resources" to survive doesn't bode well for that environmental beauty they tout.  and the *cough* droughts are affecting the lake/reservoir levels up north as well. . .not to mention less than 5% old growth Coastal Redwoods left.

beautiful area, meet encroaching populations, sadly.

 

edit @ Bollixed:  Spanish is spoken right the way to Washington State now, as "agricultural workers" move up the fertile valleys.

 

bbq on whitehouse lawn's picture

Those old trees have stood for over a thousand years. I wouldn't count them out of the fight just yet.

doctor10's picture

Somebody might want to go and look up what happened to Bobby Lee-a fine Virginia Gentleman -who tried that back about 1861 or so.

rubiconsolutions's picture

When you divide up a turd you have a bunch of smaller turds. Show some stones and secede from the US. That would be impressive. Otherwise, it's much ado about nothing. 

ZeroFreedom's picture

This is for the best. About time each goes it's seperate ways. Wonder if Putin will help.

nmewn's picture

I think he just did, its from RT ;-)

But fear not open city denizens of Frisco, Gov. Moonbeam is in close consultation with King O'Barry, this unpatriotic, national security threat to your way of life will be put down, the federal cavalry is on the way!

yrbmegr's picture

Well, he published an agitprop piece in RT, didn't he?  What more do you want?

Yen Cross's picture

    Hollywood will never let it happen. Thank GOD I've expatraited.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Voting to secede is merely asking the Master's permission, to leave the plantation. This worked out so well for Crimeae

buzzsaw99's picture

i suppose they would like two us senators and a congressman for their trouble? good luck with that.

divide_by_zero's picture

Funny you should mention that, most of the reason they want secede is each county in Cali used to get a state senator or two until the Warren court rewrote the Cali constitution, now they're senator is from LA. The progressives don't like the idea of small conservative counties having equal representation in a senate, unless it's DC of course and the base is mostly progressive.

NoDebt's picture

Texas.... would you please answer the white courtesy phone already?  It starts with you, or it never gets off the ground.  Do the rest of this joint a solid, would ya?