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It's Not Just Europe; As Many As 16 California Counties May Seek Secession From The State
Frustrated with their representation in government, residents in two of California’s northern counties are heading to the polls to decide whether they should consider seceding from the state. As Reuters reports, campaigns in both Del Norte and Tehama counties are underway to convince residents that permanently separating from California is in their best interests. As many as 16 counties in northern California could potentially join the movement, AP reports, though official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress. If they all decide to seek separation, the counties would make up about a quarter of California’s territory..."We have the water, forests, timber, we have the minerals. We have unspoiled agricultural land. We would be the wealthy state if we were allowed to go back and use our natural resources ourselves."
As RT reports, residents in two of California’s northern counties are heading to the polls on Tuesday to decide whether they should consider seceding from the state.
According to Reuters, campaigns in both Del Norte and Tehama counties are underway to convince residents that permanently separating from California is in their best interests. By supporting the measures at the ballot box, supporters would be pushing local officials to continue efforts to combine parts of northern California with parts of southern Oregon into the nation’s 51st state.
The new state would be called Jefferson, as a tribute to Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, who once believed that parts of the Western United States could form a freestanding republic.
If the measures are approved, local lawmakers would join other counties and continue to try and generate momentum for secession. Already, four counties – Glenn, Modoc, Siskiyou, and Yuba – have voted to join the effort, while others are waiting for the results in Del Norte and Tehama before taking action.
As noted by the Associated Press, as many as 16 counties in northern California could potentially join the movement, though official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress. If they all decide to seek separation, the counties would make up about a quarter of California’s territory.
Despite their size, however, the disgruntled counties only contain a small percentage of California’s inhabitants – Del Norte, for example, is home to just 28,000 of the state’s 38 million-strong population. Fed up with the way California allocates representatives – lawmakers are delegated based on population – secession supporter and organizer Aaron Funk sees the ballot as a way forward.
"We have 11 counties up here that share one state senator," he told the AP, noting that the greater Los Angeles area and San Francisco Bay have far more. "Essentially, we have no representation whatsoever."
The measure faces opposition, however, from groups who worry about how Jefferson would be able to support itself financially, especially since many of its residents are poor and unemployed. California already supplies most of the funding for infrastructure and education, and most of the large swathes of land are owned by the federal government – something that would remain the same even if Jefferson were to become a state.
"We have the water, forests, timber, we have the minerals. We have unspoiled agricultural land," added Funk to the AP. "We would be the wealthy state if we were allowed to go back and use our natural resources ourselves."
Still, the explanations don’t add up for opposing groups in Del Norte, who fear that approving a measure that calls for secession would simply result in lawmakers using their time debating the creation of Jefferson instead of fixing real problems.
While headlines are made across the pond as the wealthier nations' citizens seek secession from the poorer nations' demands... (and the poorer nations' citizens seek to leave the pressures of the richer nations' demands) it seems the same under-current is growing in America.
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I hope they do it.....but wonder how long the turds will take over another paradise
Godspeed!!!!
Peter Griffin tried it once. "Moamar, you never call!"
State of Jefferson = PSYOP destined to target dissent
Seems having all these unbacked claims for limited supplies of metals is bullish after all. Duh
I thought LA County already belongs to Mexico?
I wonder if Sonoma County, location of Bohemian Grove, is one of the 16 counties seeking secession?
"The Bohemian Grove, that I attend from time to time—the Easterners and the others come there—but it is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, that San Francisco crowd that goes in there; it's just terrible! I mean I won't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."—President Richard M. Nixon
“official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress.”
Did the colonists have to go through all that rigmarole in 1776?
Did they ask King George for permission?
I forget.
"“official secession would require approval by the state legislature as well as the US Congress.”
Did the colonists have to go through all that rigmarole in 1776?
Did they ask King George for permission?
I forget."
Great point
Good riddance!!!
poor county full of illegals and unemployed undereducated dingbats living off of wealth redistribution and government jobs want to cut themselves off from the gravy train?
GO RIGHT AHEAD!
MAKE SURE THEY CAN'T COME BACK.
So precious when you out yourself like that. They have resources, you have... you. Now beg for water, bitch.
You mean the Federal government has resources. Whatever happened to federal lands being transferred once a territory becomes a state?
Manthong,
Good point, but the stupid of these people burns! Folks in northern Snohomish Soviet of Washington also tried this in 1998-99 and got predictably squashed by the communist government in Olympia.
The answer is and has always been a MASS return to state Citizenship:
http://state-citizen.org/
Yeah-yeah I've heard all the "we can't do that it don't work" bullshit, but I know hundreds of state citizens and they did it, so can the rest of us!
WE DON"T NEED PERMISSION!!!
Regards,
PFO
Hey gringo, we don't need no stinking LA!
if i move there, when people ask me what i am/where im from can i respond that im a "jeffersonian" instead of an american? sign me up.
You would say Jeffersonian instead of Californian. Still American, though.
everything is a psyop.
the KGB took back control of what was left of russia after a number of years of collapse.
they could not stop the collapse. their very existence accelerated it.
intellgence agencies may be used to help the executive branch in general. but the shadow oligarchs always have their assets well placed.
consider it the revolving door of state sponsored security.
if SEC officials get jobs at goldman, where do ex-cia officers get jobs? and whom are their clients in the private sector endeavors.
now you're thinking.....
everything is a psyop.
the KGB took back control of what was left of russia after a number of years of collapse.
they could not stop the collapse. their very existence accelerated it.
intellgence agencies may be used to help the executive branch in general. but the shadow oligarchs always have their assets well placed.
consider it the revolving door of state sponsored security.
if SEC officials get jobs at goldman, where do ex-cia officers get jobs? and whom are their clients in the private sector endeavors.
now you're thinking.....
"We have the water, forests, timber, we have the minerals. We have unspoiled agricultural land,"
Precisely the reasons why secession will never be allowed.
The new "State of Jefferson" would stand a better chance of success in those arid & godforsaken counties where they did all that nuclear testing back in the 50's and 60's...
At least it shows there is a strong Libertarian streak in Nor Nor Cal, I will take it! This is a direct vote against Obama, as my active enviro Mother on the North Coast says "see any Ombama stickers on any cars trucks arounbd here anymore?". These aren't your dumbshit So Cal-Hollywoodized progressives, the Democrats aound these parts cant stand Obama.
We'll see if these counties, with population of 28,000 and 63,000, respectively, even pass a secession resolution. This is just strong bullshit.
Isn't this just a referendum to decide whether to research succession?
I am in Siskiyou County in Northernmost California where the State of Jefferson succession movement originates and know the players. The principal leader is commercial pilot who I strongly suspect has a long employment with none other than CIA’s infamous Air America. Yes… It looks to me like one of those old Stalin deals – “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”
Curiously a competing initiative which proposed forming a Republic within the bounds of Siskiyou County of which I was a proponent was defeated at the polls today by about 56 to 44%. The Commies came out of the woodwork lying and badmouthing, doing the Chicken Little routine to scare the sheep while the local judges (on the State payroll) were putting pressure on the County Council to shut up. Of course the local newspapers are all controlled by Das Ring of Soros. The fight against the implementation of Agenda 21 is going on here. It’s a very interesting situation. A good many people are pissed off.
I wish you all success. Please do expound on this hunch of yours, if even in non-specifics:
Yes something is Rotten In Denmark and I’m not talking about last week’s Sleaze Ball Convention, The Bilderberg Group. The spokesman for the State of Jefferson movement is a guy by the name of Mark Biard. He has quite a following of naïve people. He is a commercial pilot and flies for the feds. He stated that he flew ‘dignitaries around at the 92’ Earth Summit. He is a Chemtrail denier. The local globalist rat newspaper chain can’t give him enough coverage. That same paper did its best to torpedo the real independence initiative, Measure C / Jefferson Republic which did make a decent showing.
He is going to be pressed to answer the question whether or not he flies for Air America. If he does, (and I don’t think I’m wrong on this) he and his useful idiot lieutenants will be exposed.
I don't know, it could be just the head of steam people are looking for. and they'll need revolving loans in dollars.
at some point it will be noticed that the terms of the Treaty of Paris were predicated on the false claims of European monarchs to have conveyed good title to the Joint and Several States United
as a consequence, the Representative of these Joint and Several States United, Meeting during AD 1785 in Congress, had no authority to claim and divide the lands that are now occupied by the Michigan Company, the Ohio Company, the Indiana Company, the Illinois Company, the Minnesota Company, and the Eastern Wisconsin Company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Ordinance_of_1785
these companies are thus dissolved forthwith, their charters revoked, and the people within the surveyed lands are free to go about their business without further interference
hugs,
thomas "thomas jefferson" jefferson
"Next up Sourh Carolina."
They don't have the "we're dirt poor" problem like they had the last time either.
You LIe!
Haven't they caused enough trouble already?
If I were to be able to escape the clutches of the Bay Area and Los Angeles basin voting blocks ....... I would be a happy man.
Of course that assumes that voting matters.
And that's assuming a LOT.
I hope so as well. The idea for the state of Jefferson has been around since the early 1900's and was gaining momentum, and then we entered WWII and the project was forgotten.
Hopefully history doesn't always repeat itself.
Never been to California but always heard northern california is completely a different place than down south. Makes sense.
I lived in LA for 29 years. Rumor has it they speak English in Northern California.
I hear they actually have civilized humans there as well.
That's an ugly rumor.
there's also been a call to "independence" for Cascadia - basically Oregon/Washington/BC region of Western Canada.
doubtful it would be "allowed" - though who's to say what the incoming years might hold as things fall apart.
the notion of N.California wanting to sell off its "resources" to survive doesn't bode well for that environmental beauty they tout. and the *cough* droughts are affecting the lake/reservoir levels up north as well. . .not to mention less than 5% old growth Coastal Redwoods left.
beautiful area, meet encroaching populations, sadly.
edit @ Bollixed: Spanish is spoken right the way to Washington State now, as "agricultural workers" move up the fertile valleys.
Those old trees have stood for over a thousand years. I wouldn't count them out of the fight just yet.
Somebody might want to go and look up what happened to Bobby Lee-a fine Virginia Gentleman -who tried that back about 1861 or so.
When you divide up a turd you have a bunch of smaller turds. Show some stones and secede from the US. That would be impressive. Otherwise, it's much ado about nothing.
This is for the best. About time each goes it's seperate ways. Wonder if Putin will help.
I think he just did, its from RT ;-)
But fear not open city denizens of Frisco, Gov. Moonbeam is in close consultation with King O'Barry, this unpatriotic, national security threat to your way of life will be put down, the federal cavalry is on the way!
Well, he published an agitprop piece in RT, didn't he? What more do you want?
Hollywood will never let it happen. Thank GOD I've expatraited.
Voting to secede is merely asking the Master's permission, to leave the plantation. This worked out so well for Crimeae
Crimea is still celebrating.
For now
Chicken Kiev stays raw without gas.
i suppose they would like two us senators and a congressman for their trouble? good luck with that.
Funny you should mention that, most of the reason they want secede is each county in Cali used to get a state senator or two until the Warren court rewrote the Cali constitution, now they're senator is from LA. The progressives don't like the idea of small conservative counties having equal representation in a senate, unless it's DC of course and the base is mostly progressive.
Texas.... would you please answer the white courtesy phone already? It starts with you, or it never gets off the ground. Do the rest of this joint a solid, would ya?
It will be the only way we can control our border. If we don't do it soon we will be northern Mexico.
Lol. Mexico would instantly annex everything up to at least I-10.
Just make it official is all.
i wish ron paul would spend more of his retirement touring his home state and convincing people of the need for seccession. maybe start by convincing people to start nullifying federal law.
So write him a letter or an email asking him to spend some time considering it. He is very easy to talk to, and open to suggestions.
Maybe we could trade those Ca counties for Austin.
On second thought, that's probably the origin of the Austin lib zone.
I would move there in a flash and become a tax-paying landowner. And start a business employing at least 12-15 people. Once the area was free of free-loading SF and LA it would be a paradise. With border controls.
Please break up that enormous liberal shithole with WAY too many electoral votes.
The way I see it Balkanization of the country is inevitable and we are witnessing the early stages of it. There is no way to 'manage' so many ideologies and ethnicities under one centrally planned system of government. Eventually the stripping away of another's rights and the ability to provide for themselves will fuel enough anger for the system to tear itself apart. All it needs is a catalyst.
Ok, so we can scratch off democroceee! as a viable form of governance...finally.
Well, there's some progress ;-)
+1 just for using Balkanize in a sentence.
But let me tell you a little story about a city called Northeast Philadelphia. Never heard of it? That's because they won't let them go so no such city yet exists or ever will exist. It's not happening here for the same reason it's not happening in Europe. They will NEVER let them go. Voting won't do it because they don't have the votes. Doing it by force won't do it because they're out-numbered and out-gunned.
A sort of mob rule via the ballot box while extracting the wages for enforcement from the oppressed...isn't that interesting.
Why, whatever happened to the rule of law, freedom of association, the right to a redress of grievance?
It might be time to sharpen some "tools" ;-)
I'll tell you what happened, have you ever seen the movie "Network"?
an uphill slog, victory a distant hope
Sounds like Waterloo.....Huzzarrr....
Regards.
I agree Doc, this is going to happen one way or another. I hope it could happen peacefully, but the power-hungry statist will put up a monsterous fight, so I doubt it will. I will probably be dead and gone before any significant secession movement occurs, but I give these folks, and others, a big green arrow for taking the first steps.
Same deep divisions are present in NY and IL, among others, so as this gains steam (obviously, I hope it does) I would not be surprised to see similar movements there also.
Computer problem. closed out. Milestones
Democracy NEVER was a viable form of government, Aristotle knew that 2400 years ago. That's why we (used) to be a Republic with a Constitution.
I can't wait to shove my fist(broom handle) up Draghi's ass!
You sound like either Caligula resurrected or Mooschelle all stoked on a Wendy's triple.
You want to fist Draghi?
Is that your thing? I guess I shouldn't ask that question, based on your Ävatar"
Self determination is antithetical to Socialism. This will never happen. Texas, you had your chance
Do you proof read your comments? "Self determination is antithetical to Socialism"
From the dictionary...
antithetical - "directly opposed or contrasted; mutually incompatible."
I got 6 downvotes for posting "verbatum"a sentence posted by someone else earlier. The NORKS are thick tonight!
Okay, Mr. "Grammitical & Etiquette".
First of all, I was having fun. I didn't realize there were so many followers.
Secondly, I misstated proper verb, adjective <conjunctive> phrasing. ex. pronoun,adverb,conjuntion,adjective,verb,noun.
Didn't the Chechens try something like that a while ago? How'd that turn out?
The western/Saudi backed Wahabi terrorists?
You have to secede from the USA to make it work. You'll still be a serf to the tyrants in DC no matter what if you don't, but telling the commie assholes in Scrotumento to fuck off would be a great start.
worry about how Jefferson would be able to support itself financially, especially since many of its residents are poor and unemployed"
But do we still gets our welfare?
Escape from oppression is of no value unless it is part-and-parcel with a clearly defined (and ratified) new governance structure that enables the sought-after liberty. Chances of that happening in northern Immigrafornia and Oregon are less than the chances that every tonne of Au on deposit at the NY Fed is actually there.
I live in Jackscon County, Oregon, next door to Siskiyou County, California, which started the re-birth of the State of Jefferson movement. I'll be reporting on the movement over the coming weeks at The News Doctors. Earlier this year I recorded Anthony Intiso's presentation in Medford, Oregon about his Jefferson Republic initiative. Click here to read more about it and if you wish, you can also listen to his presentation.
This weekend and into next week I will be reporting on Utah state representative Ken Ivory, who is coming to my neck of the woods to discuss his efforts to help Utah and other Western States take back control over lands that are currently in trust and controlled by the federal government (about half of the land of Western States!). If you're interested in subjects like this, stay tuned to The News Doctors in the next couple of weeks. We're going to be publishing fantastic exclusives.
Eric Dubin, Managing Editor, The News Doctors
Last I recall reading stuff, the federal gov doesnt really "own" any of the land, they ceded that when they created the state in the first place, so this whole matter of things like Nevada is basically Nevada not standing up for itself. Federal gov owns/controls territories, and by conferring statehood they give up their claim to the territory because it is no longer territory but sovereign state land.
Not that the federal government actually...lol....follows rules or anything...
Orange County, San Diego and the Inland Empire also need to form their own state.
always the socialists that want to divide things up to create something better only to fuck it up and make it worse.
I have never seen that. I have seen many examples of socialist centralization, where a municipality, regional government etc keeps expanding and absorbing surrounding areas to expand the tax base.
This trend is nothing new. I live in a rural county of large land area but small populations. Two towns, 1 of 3,500 people, 1 of 2,300 and one rural area of lake home in the far north of around 500 people. Imagine how small that makes our county population wise. Under 12,000 total. Over the years, the two cities have fought over where the county seat is, over the two high schools, and over taxes for the lake home district. So, we have had the city of 2,300 try and start their own school district and join the lake homes area and start their own county. In other words split the county and create two school districts. This of course is crazy, but all too real. People want what they want, don't like their neighbors and are prepared to split into smaller and smaller governmental units to get it. These battles are over because of funding issues due to the 2008 crisis. BUT, before 2008, when money was freely flowing, the battle to divide up this tiny county was very real and was even headed for the State Legislature to be decided. That would have been too crazy!
My point is, that this can be carried to absurd levels once it picks up speed.
Perhaps the original absurdity was the idea that we could homogenize, could actually LIVE together in some kind of global government.
This may just be an example of things trying to right themselves.
Our society looks to me a lot like the human version of Calhoun's rat experiments. It's an increasingly sick place with a LOT of disturbed individuals.
Your comment and your avatar seem to be in opposition to each other.
Tyler, where do I send my donation to the succession movement of northern Cal? Heck, I'll help them with my own sweat!
What would it matter, both are poorly managed gov't. These lower level gov't are worse with their bloated public union workforce and fat pensions...
No matter, the taxpayers are still screwed.
this is nothing a little present from the CDC would't fix
jb
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We need the state of Lincoln and the state of Cook.
Downstate definitely needs to go their own way but please don't name it after that tyrant Lincoln! The state of Wilkes Booth sounds better.
Let's call the new state as The Great State of Eureka with beautiful coastal redwood forests and green creeks.
Coastal state residents have voted for hundreds of years to burden others. They've stripped our Nation bare. Now stepping inward, while seeming attractive and benign, is folly at best. Barbie and Ken cannot change - 'hint' they're plastic and they off-gas by their very nature.
Sent from non iCrap.
Let’s add this up.
All the peoples in those states are gonna leave, but still expect entitlements like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, jobs supported by federal bux, EBT, etc….
During the first thunderstorm everyone will be pounding on the front door. Nobody is going anywhere.
*sigh*
You know, I have changed my mind on this issue. I now believe that perhaps we SHOULD allow portions of states to separate from the 'mother-entity', if there is consensus among a statistically (for that state) significant bunch of folks to do so. I had originally thought it was better to enforce the state's cohesion, but I now believe that my position was unrealistic, and failed to take into account human nature. (That is something I often accuse others of, and it seems I was actually doing it myself...*blush*)
We've been forcing people of vastly different ideologies to co-mingle to an extent that has just exacerbated the tensions between them. That they might not react with the finely-honed sense of appreciation for diversity we expected is something we should have known.
People CAN live together, IF they respect other people's right to get the fuck away from them once in awhile and go hang with their "homies", whoever they are. But we CAN'T leave them alone, it's not in our nature to do so. We are always going to end up in each others faces over SOMETHING, and they're gonna take offense and tell us to mind our own business, yada, yada, yada...
Maybe it would be better if people united in a particular mindset were allowed to HAVE a place of their own. They would still be expected to follow 'rules of the commons' while outside their place, but they would have a place to get away from those they find so odious.
Maybe we SHOULD balkanize the country. I'm fantasizing right now of a newly created state, preferably far from here, where the Tea Party have established a 'homeland', and the faithful begin to migrate, en masse, to this golden Mecca. Right next door would be a state where ultra-leftist communist-leaning minds have established their own utopia...
That evening I would sleep the sleep of the angels. Upon awakening, I'd be greeted by happy music, and songbirds would fix my hair...
No way dude. All those people just need to wise up and see things my way. Then everything will be great. :D
What's the opposite of secede?
Upstate New York would overwhelmingly vote to Expel New York City into its own entity. Take all their laws with them, upstate then could simplify much of it.
Like Goldman taking all the bad holdings and bundle them and spin them off into a separate company and write off the loss.
Upstate NY has a good case.
Good idea! Form NYC into into own SAR (Special Administrative/Autonomous Region), a free-trade zone for hookers, derivatives, drugs and pestilence. Brilliant!
Samsara, when's the last time you set foot in Upstate NY, like Rochester, Syracuse or Buffalo. The politicians up here (I live in Rochester) are fully equal in sophistry and law-writing to their downstate counterparts. The corruption in upstate NY is rivaled only by Chicago politicians.
What we have here are entrenched minorities, slaves to the welfare state, overburdening by the pension system and assorted maladies the federal government only dreams about. Upstate NY is a very sick place, teeming with money-grabbers who wish only to overtax the populace into further submission. The chances of getting upstate NY to seriously consider secession from lower NY are about as good as not seeing state troopers at Dunkin' Donuts. It simply will never happen. The state unions (especially the teachers) are too powerful and their pensions are funded by the nation's highest property tax burden. Now, who would want to upset that apple cart? Surey not the politicians or teachers of Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester.
Upstate NY is a cesspool in the cities. The suburbs are nice and some rural areas are awesome, but there's no way they pry themselves away from the tyranny of Albany and NYC. My plan is to simply ignore them until they come looking for the loot, then move to another county, and eventually, out of state.
One of the coolest books <of fiction> I've ever read is where the federal government secedes from USA. The feds 'own' enough ports, interior land, national parks, the military bases and military, etc. to pull it off. The states and common wealths would be held hostage through key lynch points. NWO has been here a long time if you think about it this way.
I am in Southern kalifornia, but hopefully it will be Southern California some day. I doubt this will ever get past Congress, assuming it's on the ballot come November, but if it does, the Southern California state would be conservative because it includes Orange, San Diego, Imperial, Riverside and San Bernardino Counties, which all vote conservative.......
The hoards moved from California in the late 80s and early 90s to Colorado because California was messed up.
Now Colorado is messed up.
I am surprised that this has not happened earlier. CA is too diverse to survive such financial turmoil.
It's too late, THE UNITED STATES seceded from The United States of America long ago and took us with it.
They will need a central bank which means immediate war to try an stop the money printers and changers.
Home of the EBT and highest rates of Medicaid in CA except for parts of the Central Valley. I now the area really well and have hiked it extensively including all of the major national parks and hiking to the top of Mt. Shasta and the coast including Ft. Bragg and north of it.
Yeah they have some natural resources but any economy based overwhelmingly on resource extraction is always poor. Money is never in the physical extraction of the raw product and never will be.
Frankly the only thing that makes this area that important and increasingly is some of the water resources it holds and are utilized by the Central Valley and places along the coast for agricultural production.
Borders are a creation of man and not visible to the birds flying above. Much bloodshed and many wars could be avoided if the issues of regime change or borders could be handled in a more rational and constructive way, but do not expect this to happen. Borders and political control is a problem that haunts man since before the written word.
Recently President Obama and other officials have talked about the legal sanctity of sovereign borders, but in reality this is an argument of convenience masking deeper issues. When it comes down to it we are just pawns in this sad power game. If you doubt this just ask some of the many people displaced from their homes in Syria. More on the subject of sovereign borders in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.ht...
You have to live here to fully appreciate just how incredibly fucked up these socialist "world improvers" really are. They live to keep their nose up other people's asses.
I seceded from everything but nobody cares. Nobody ever listens tow what Q99X2 says. I tried to rule the world, I tried to rule the country, I tried to rule the state, I tried to rule the county, I tried to rule the township, I tried to rule the town, I tried to rule my house, I tried to rule my room, I tried to rule my body, I tried to rule my mind, but nothing ever listened to me. Now I've got my own F'n universe M'Fers and everything is fine.
These people mean well but the purpose has always been to destroy America and this is one way to do it.
California is doing such a great job of killing itself. Their rulers are some of the best at milking the system. Sony Studios is leaving Culver City. There goes Culver City, bye bye. Toyota is leaving Torrance. Bye bye Torrance. Guess who is to blame.
Lots of red!
http://www.instablogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ibn_yhlmu_yhLMU_196...
"As noted by the Associated Press"? When and where? And why only 16? "As many as" 58 counties could, conceivably, join the "movement" of two counties (<1% of the state's population). Well, I guess we can trust reporting by RT.
Twin peaks!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1lzhY6nMOY&sns=em
I'd rather it be fake giant early 90s tits, but well....oops
good
reminds me of BC Canada
dont get me wrong, I love Vancouver and I am heavily vested into the city.
but as a small town conservative it's quite disrespectful of Vancouver socialists trying to tell small town northern BC (or Alberta for that matter) how to run their oil and mining
i'm sure north cal residents feel similar
too bad the whole state doesnt sucede and take NY with them maybe call it Biquito mexico
You have an option to join Russian Federation. Welcome Comrades.
Are you related to Boris?
Looks like upstate New Yorkers are thinking the same thing:
New York State Voters : Create a 51st state OR Free Upstate New York from NYC control SIGN THE PETITION:When in the course of human events...NYC and Upstate New York often have diametrically opposing points of view due to demographic difference and population density. Consider the idea of NYC being autonomous like DC, LONDON & Vatican City. Upstate NY taxpayers rights to self representation are currently crushed under NYC Voters boots. Something must be done. Join me, due to the enormous TOTAL concentration of voters in NYC the voices of a huge geographical area (UPSTATE NY) are silenced. This must change. Tail waging the dog politics are inherently unfair to the dog. Free Upstate NY. OR Maybe it is time for a 51st State. We Demand Emancipation from NYC. We demand our right to self govern. Friends of freedom, we have been stalled at every turn. IT IS NOW Time to take our fight to the state house. To many politicians are afraid to say and do what must be done! Lets face it! Up State NY and NYC are two different worlds. UP state NY continues to be subjugated to the will of NYC politicians. This must change. If elected to the assembly will put forward legislation that protects the God Given Rights and autonomy of UP State NY and dissolves the chains that bind US to extreme NYC leftists. I will fight to get this done until we are FREE! If that means a 51st state? So be it! I hope you will support my run for public office. You can start by liking my FB fan page and sharing it everywhere. Please email your list with this latest development! Carl R.Gottstein Jr. https://www.facebook.com/Carl4NYAssembly108th --------------- Source: Cohocton Wind Watch.
Yeah, sure. They have a whole 5900 signatures. The petition is TO THE GOVERNOR, from a man-cunt running for state assembly. Good luck with following the exploits of a career politician. You must know grandstanding when you see it, grasshopper.
Like I said above, there's no chance Upstate NY separates from downstate. People have been talking about this since I was a kid in the 50s and nothing has, or will, change. What we do here in the upstate regions is mostly try to ignore the legislators and break as many laws as we can (without getting caught, of course).
Readers of this kind of tripe - like this article espousing "secession" from a state - should learn that there are two ways to do things in America: 1. the "legal" way, involving petitions, lawyers, politicians, writs, etc., and, 2. the people's way, which involves doing things you want to do without approval or permits and then dealing with the consequences, if ever.
As for #2, we use it extensively in Upstate's rural areas. Like, you put up a barn, and when the zoning authority or assessor comes around and says, "that wasn't here last time I was here," you tell him, "sure it was, it was just painted a different color."
Same goes for reporting income, paying taxes, all the other regulatory shit. The American way is #2: Do it, deal with it. Self-determination and responsibility. Old concepts. Maybe some people around here should look them up.
hoho, that is why you have a 2A. If they go full retard you just arrest or shoot them and start over!
Succession sounds great until you realize the amount of responsibility that comes with it. I hope it does happen so others would see just how silly people are when left to their own devices.
This is an unconstitutional action. No state can be created within an existing state (federal constitution). The people have the law on their side with the existing government. They only need to learn to use it by enforcing their inalienable rights. It kills me that people think they need to alter anything but curing their own ignorance of law. 'All power is inherent in the people' and all government is based upon their power and authority. Our government is a representative republic, and its officers DO NOT possess any more power concerning your rights than a group of 10 of your neighbors. In other words, you own and control all the things that you own, 100%, including your rights. But, without the claim of right, there is no right.
Here is a similar thing happening in western Maryland. It would seem easier for them to try and join PA or WV, but not sure of the constitutionality of that.
https://freewesternmd.org/
Maryland is a mess demographically. The people of the western counties have nothing in common with central Maryland (Balt-DC suburbs) who in turn have nothing in common with the eastern shore. It has always seemed to me that western MD counties should be part of PA or WV, eastern shore should be part of Delaware, and have DC become a city in Maryland to solve the voting rights/representation issue.
Nature will take care of some of this, for many in California believe that most everything east of the San Andreas fault is soon to slide into the Atlantic Ocean.
Gov Moonbeam! The conservatives are wanting to leave and start their own state!
Great! Where do I sign their papers?
But, sir! They have 85% of the tax revenues!
Call out the State Guard!
Good luck with the Jefferson movement, but I have to say that a lot of what irritates them is from the national level, not just from Sacramento. Even if they split from California, I wonder how they will be able to exploit their resources when BLM, NSF, and all the local tribes are against them. Those tribes have lawyers and know how to use them. Or are the secessionists thinking of restarting the Indian wars? The last ones were pretty nasty up in the North State, what I've heard.
do it like Penn
http://www.slideshare.net/whiteritchie/pa-hague-notice
The only real question is: is this really the property of Mexico, or the property of First Nations indigenous peoples?
The South will rise again! Deeper south than you think, amigo!
No way it will happen adding two more red state senators to senate will lock in a republican senate for decades. Democrats will never go for that unless there is a change to entire system of how power is distributed in house and senate. Sense republican own the house because of affirmative action polices in making houses districts and with solid red states holding 48 senate seats currently with another 10-12 seats in purple states they have no incentive to change the current system.