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Taliban Release Video Of Bergdahl Exchange
Whether or not Obama made a huge political gaffe by secretly arranging the Qatar-mediated exchange of Bowe Bergdahl, who some 16,000 Americans have petitioned should be court-martialed for walking away from his post in 2009, for 5 Taliban leaders remains to be seen. To be sure republicans have jumped on the blunder and especially the hawks within the GOP are now "tag-teaming" the issues of Benghazi and Bergdahl with the intent of painting will Obama "as an appeaser, and a negotiator-with-terrorists" as The Nation reports. In any case, if Obama was hoping to use the Bergdahl exchange as a marker of successful foreign policy, he is suddenly caught flat-footed.
What won't help the president's case of promptly sweeping this latest scandal under the rug, is a clip such as this one, released earlier today by the Taliban showing the handover of the prisoner of war to US forces.
The video, as the WSJ reports, shows Sgt. Bergdahl with a shaved head and no eyebrows. He is wearing Afghan clothing, looking gaunt and dazed, rapidly blinking his eyes. In the footage, Sgt. Bergdahl sits in a white Taliban pickup truck in an open field, as a U.S. Black Hawk helicopter prepares to land.
In the video, an Afghan insurgent, his face hidden by a scarf, tells Sgt. Bergdahl menacingly in Pashto moments before the release: "Don't come back to Afghanistan. Next time we catch you, you won't leave here alive." Armed insurgents surrounding the pickup truck laugh as Sgt. Bergdahl bows his head, looking confused and scared.
"Long live the holy warriors of Afghanistan! Long live the great holy warrior and the leader of the believers, Mullah Mohammad Omar !" the insurgents chant, referring to the Taliban leader who has eluded U.S. capture since 2001.
The video released earlier today is shown below:
As the WSJ adds, the footage of Taliban leaders arriving in Qatar is in stark contrast to the images of Sgt. Bergdahl's release. In Qatar, the former Guantanamo detainees are seen in crisp, clean clothing, embracing Taliban officials on the side of a road and driving in a convoy of new SUVs, including a Porsche. Sgt. Bergdahl, in contrast, appears guarded and scared, his thin frame surrounded by heavily armed insurgents.
The released former Guantanamo detainees include the pre-2001 Taliban regime's deputy minister of intelligence, Mohammed Fazl, and deputy minister of defense, Abdul Haq Wasiq.
Who precisely did Afghanistan get in exchange for Bergdahl? The following 5 individuals:
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After all that's happened and all that's been revealed... if the best the Republicans can do is attack a misguided POW they are in some sorry-ass fucking shape. They might as well nominate Darth Vader for their next candidate. That is if you can believe any of this BS.
a little off topic are european equities price in euros can anyone tell me? It may sound like a stupid question but i'm serious....
Am I the only one who thinks this Bowe fellow is someone important to our, um, covert ops?
This is all about warming up to the Taliban to fight in Syria for us.
Yup. Already on the Criminal CIA's payroll.
CNN did some creative editing this morning and changed what the Taliban said from "you wont leave here alive" to "you wont be released next time" .....
NOOOOOO! BULLSHIT! CNN would NEVER do such a thing!
The Taliban's press secretary needed to tweet a photo while holding a #VonHayesBitchez sign!
Obama IS a Muslim terrorist....but Busch wuz two, an both party's hour the same......
All 5 promised NOT to open yet another convenience store in USA for at least five years after their release.
...was key part of the agreement....
....was Taxi driving addressed?
Cockroaches shitting on the American goy.
Dude, in the jihadi muzzie world, white flag does not mean "surrender" or "peace", it means jihad in the literal sense...
One thing is CERTAIN about this: The VA scandal is no longer on John Doe's mind.
Mission Accomplished!!!
Yes, great observation.
Just one more piece of shit on an already high pile. But you got to admit it is getting harder to deny what a fuck Obama is as every day passes.
"Yup. Already on the Criminal CIA's payroll."
YEs, since the '80s at least. no?
Pull out and let them just kill themselves already, please...jeesh.
I wonder who Mexico's going to want back for releasing Andrew Tahmorressi?
Mexico will release him if we agree to take in a million more Mexicans.
Did you know that recently somewhere along the Texas border I believe about 60,000 kids have been dumped by Mexico onto our side all without parents. Obama has called it a humanitarian disaster and no he is not talking about his presidency.
"Take 'em to Arizona and ditch 'em. Problem solved." —Barry
Those chillens don't come cheap either. The White House requested $1.4 Billion (with a B) MORE $$ to "care" for these little amigos. Sad that we can't care for our veterans but we can care for these fuckers.
In its new estimates, the government said as many as 60,000 children, mostly from Central America, could be caught this year trying to cross the Mexican border illegally, costing the U.S. more than $2.28 billion to house, feed and transport the children to shelters or reunite them with relatives already living in the United States. The new estimate is about $1.4 billion more than the government asked for in Obama's budget request sent to Congress earlier this year.
Catapult them back over the fence.
EDIT: Awwww dat offend yo wittle sthenthativites?
Take down the fence and mine the boarder 100 yards deep.
Seismic sensors for the tunnels.
Mines are cheap and extremely effective.
Put up a stream Camera feed of the action. The first beaner to become pink mist will most definitely deter an future "migrations"
Problem fucking solved.
My legitimate proposition would be to make one long military installation, say a mile or two wide, the length of the Mexican border. Use it for training operations, have electronic monitoring, patrols, etc. Those with unauthorized entry are hunted down, captured or shot if resisting.
I have an even better and far cheaper idea. De-criminalize drugs, end the drug war, and take away the entitlements. No fascist police-state gestapo shit required.
I have even a better still idea! Let make trespassing illegal! Oh, that's right, it already is but they will not enforce it. Immigration reform is the removal of any remaining vestiges of immigration law. They currently refuse to enforce our laws and reform will just eliminate any legal conflict that non enforcement created. They will eventually achieve gun control because they will make damn sure there will be no legal reason to use one. Self defense will get harder to prove and God help anyone who would kill to protect their property. There is nothing you own that is worth killing for because there is nothing you truly own. All property belongs to the collective, and that includes your guns. Jump....how high?
The best idea I can come up with is to take away the incentive for them to come here. By decriminalizing drugs, you take away the smuggler's profits. By taking away the entitlements, you take away the ability to come here for a free or subsidized ride. One of the problems with my fellow Americans, as I see it, is that brute force is the solution to every problem. Until that changes, learn to love your police state.
I believe in deterrents of ALL types. The threat of brute force is as valid as any. When that threat is missing a significant loss of power goes with it.
Exactly. Pretty soon we will be dropping off those choppers instead of people. Here is some American fire power. Now as you were.
Wonder how many more will resign or "commit suicide" in the coming weeks
Yeah - I agree. This wasn't about releasing some minor deserter, this was about how to get the "war on terror" heated up again. They've tried starting a couple of wars - but had nobody to blame it on - and people are FINALLY getting the gist that the "terrorists" are the least of our worries (at least the terrorists of the Muslim flavor). Now, they're releasing some "heavy hitters" so they can pull something big and have scapegoats at the ready.
Like Bergdahl, I had my own political awakening over the past decade. I came fairly close to joining the military before my dad talked me out of it, and if he hadn't done that, I would have been in one of these sand-covered shit-holes when I "woke up." I have no idea what I would have done in that situation, but I have trouble finding much fault with Bergdahl seeing the light and wanting to walk away from all the bullshit.
I realize that's not a popular opinion among those who served, but so be it.
I guess the parents of the fallen soldiers who were looking for Bergdahl don't give a shit their children died for a traitorous government. They'd rather attack a deserter POW. It's easier that way. Who are the real cowards?
All I know is this: It was extremely painful for me to realize I had been living under and supporting a traitorous government; I can't begin to imagine what it's like for those who fought for that government to come to the same realization.
That's why our best hope is with the young.
Read "War is a Racket" by Gen Smedley Butler. That guy came to the same realization from the highest levels of responsibility.
You are not alone.
Who down-voted Gen. Butler?
JFC. . .
It's fine to come to the conclusion that you've signed on and sold your ass to shit stain politicians and war profiteers. It's not fine to pull a bonehead move involving deserting on your brothers thereby causing your command to put their asses in the breech and further in harms way making their lives harder, more dangerous, and possibly shorter. You just don't do that to the guy on your left and right. I got no beef with the man who wakes up and when his contract is up he says thanks but fuck you.
If that's what really happened, then why the fuck did they bother going after him? Ah, let me guess... they needed to kill some heroes for this very occasion.
Try to say something intelligent.
Like I said, I realize it's not a popular opinion. However, if you "come to the conclusion that you've signed on and sold your ass to shit stain politicians and war profiteers" but those around you still believe it's the good fight, what the fuck do you do?
Some would argue that it's highly immoral to continue doing the dirty work of those shit stain politicians and war profiteers simply because you signed a contract with a corrupt government. Defending your comrades in arms is one thing; helping them carry out acts of immorality is something altogether different.
One can always refuse to train and deal with the consequences (njp, court martial, etc). But deserting your post which would likely lead to search missions and put your mates in a bad way...bad idea.
Let's be clear here. This deserter POW didn't make anyone come after him. So what's the real issue?
The known issue is that we traded five known and admitted killers for a guy who ran off, didn't even have the balls to resign, but just walk off like a pissed off two year old. In the military they are pretty much obligated to account for any missing soldier, run off, killed or taken. You are so fucking poisoned you possess no rationality. I suppose if your wife just walked off without saying boo or goodbye, you wouldn't bother looking for her, not knowing where she was or what happened to her.
If I'm not mistaken, you can declare yourself a "conscientious objector" at any time and opt for a non-combat role to satisfy the remainder of your duty. That would've been the best and most honest option - assuming the desertion story is correct.
If I'm not mistaken, you can declare yourself a "conscientious objector" at any time...
And if I'm not mistaken, that was the option when there was a draft, which ended in the early 70's. This guy was a 100% volunteer pure and simple. If he wished to pursue an advanced degree in Muslim hood with his pop he was at liberty to do so in the USA outside of the military.
Instead, the military accepted him and our government agents instead groped my aging parents in an airport to appear not to "profile" any of the 5 Looky Lews our own Chocolate leader redeemed for the service he provided in the deaths of a dozen or so of his "comrades".
disgusting.
One last thing, if I'm wrong on this, (and I certainly hope / wish I am), I would relish the opportunity to apologize for my judgment. As it stands, I see nothing submitted in evidence to determine otherwise. As a member of the voting public of the USA, I’m entitled to the truth from the person(s) / agencies my work goes to support. And not because I wish to contribute extra to some special interest or otherwise splinter group of “folks”.
Jmo.
"One last thing, if I'm wrong on this, (and I certainly hope / wish I am), I would relish the opportunity to apologize for my judgment."
Lol! Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way...you can't say you'd be willing to apologize for accusing someone of a crime if facts show they are actually innocent.
You ought to have waited for the facts in the first place. And you're stuck with the judgement, morally.
Bingo. The right thing for him to do would be to simply stop following orders. He would then would face disciplinary consequences of some sort.
Fleeing into the hands of the enemy means he was a deserter at best, traitor at worst.
His actions are IN NO WAY defensible.
Here's the bonus...even wikileaks documents support soldiers claims that he was "reaching out" to the Taliban.
Sadly, many people sooooo want to believe that he actually had a "change of heart" as opposed to being a total shitbag. He's basically committed the perfect crime.
When you're trying to abandon violence, you don't "reach out" to the Taliban:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/wikileaks-document-backs-up-u.s.-soldiers-...
I don't know about it being a perfect crime. . . Bergdahl may well end up pounding rocks at Ft. Leavenworth.
If he's a traitor, he's got a hell of a lot of company with the other traitors in the federal government from Obama, Bush and Clinton on down.
This will offend everyone, but so be it. If you wake up to all the bullshit and find everyone else around you still falling in line to prop up the bullshit, at some point you stop thinking of them as "your mates." It's been said any number of times on this site about everything from the Fed to the illusion of the two political parties. It applies to war as well. Moreover, if you believe the entire system to be corrupt, you don't work within it and follow its rules; you walk the fuck away.
Bergdahl could have simply stopped following orders and gone through all the "proper channels" and suffered the consequences of the military. So could every soldier who was sent after him. They chose to follow orders.
Every soldier that followed looking for him were probably NOT aware at the time he was a traitor, they were doing the moral thing trying to save his life.
It happens to people every fucking day. They wake and say "fuck this shit" I ain't going to work for that cocksucker anymore. They then go out into the world and commit crimes because they no longer place any value on society's values. Just because you don't agree does not make you right or give you the right to do whatever the fuck you want. He was a soldier. He went through training. He knew that if he disappeared they would come looking for him and didn't give a fuck. I'm all for freedom. Do what the fuck you want, but if you step on my toes while doing so you best be looking out. There are consequences for EVERY action. His should leave him with an extremely torn asshole and his head on a stick. Just my opinion of course. He was derelict in his duty putting his fellow soldiers at risk and disgracing his uniform and brothers in arms. Maybe you think that is what they deserve but I don't care. All I care about is what he did to his brothers. If the time comes when you find yourself in a ditch somewhere with a few companions to guard your back, I hope for your sake you don't end up with a Bergdahl. This is the point. Fucking honor. Something terribly lacking in our world. Our word is worth shit and your signature barely more now days. Lying fucking bankers making loans to lying fuckers with no intention to repay. Lying politicians destroying any belief in the goodness of our country or our world. Lets stop making excuses for every fuckup weak character motherfucker.
God help us.
"His should leave him with an extremely torn asshole and his head on a stick."
And all this before you even KNOW what happened...
Bergdahl could have simply stopped following orders and gone through all the "proper channels" and suffered the consequences of the military. So could every soldier who was sent after him. They chose to follow orders.
"Simply stopped following orders"? When on active duty combat role under fire, endangering the lives of fellow troops and posing grave threat to national interests?
He'd be looking at court martial, at very least a pleasant year of hard labor in Ft. Leavenworth etc., and then being a convicted felon with dishonorable discharge ... for the rest of his miserable life.
The soldiers sent after him probably volunteered to take on the risks they'd be facing in doing so, which were considerable.
Soldiers don't pick and choose which orders they follow. They're trained to follow orders and even if those orders seem to be illegal or against policy or sound like a suicide mission, it's the soldier's job to follow them.
Obamas goal is working already, as evidence by the above drivel.
This scrambled turd is being used to smear ALL U.S. Mil. He will be the proxy punching bag for all American military past and present.
It also served to satiate the Taliban to not dump everything they know about the shit show weapons deal gone sideways that went down in Benghazi.
Nothing like handing over all your bargaining chips BEFORE you go into exit negotiations in Afghanistan. Plus, now that the 5 boogie men are gone, Obama can dump the rest out of GITMO with little resistance.
And they put Timothy McVey to death.
Fucking balls,
Wonder if the GOTUS (Golfer Of The United States) could arrange a trade with Qatar and get Bradley Manning released.
Maybe give them Charles Manson for Manning.
Qatar can then ship Charles over to Syria with the other Fab 5 to kill a lot of Syrians.
Qatar. WTF
BO. WTF
Might be a facter in all those suicides...
McMolotov....thank the Lord that he gave you a wise Father, and that you listened.
1966...Furth, Germany, me 19 & my best friend there are both military dependents and about to join the Special Forces under the buddy system. We were badasses and ready to grease us some gooks. My Father, an Artillery First Sgt, with Sgt Major stripes on the table if he re-upped, convinced me to return stateside and go on to college. He told me then it was the wrong war in the wrong place, and he served in WW2 and Korea. Thank God, I listened.
1969...I stayed out of school fall semester to work and save some money, planning to return & finish my senior year the following January...then my number came up in the lottery. By then, I was totally against the fiasco that was VN, but for me, there was no choice but to answer if my country called, and I still thought I was a badass.
1971...I made it home in one piece, and got out in '72, but have NEVER trusted the government again, and would never let one of my kids sign up unless the Huns were at the gate. I have watched government closely and actively participated in politics because I consider it a form of self defense. This country has changed so much, it's hard to believe, and the rate of negative change is accelerating.
No country for old men, I guess. When you reach the point where you just know too much, it's sad & depressing.
As far as this poor stiff we just rescued, I personally think it was the right thing to do, regardless if it was Obama or Bush....both of whom I despise (but honestly, Bush more & Cheney most of all). Bring the boy home and let's try to see what the real story is. The ragheads we swapped him for have been fermenting for years, and we could not even come up with charges to bring against any of them. See, the other thing I am so tired of is when we just turn our backs on the rule of law and ignore the Constitution that so many good men have died to defend. Any of you who somehow think it's OK to annoint yourselves judge and jury simply are not worthy of wasting my time on, and anyone who thinks it's OK to leave an American soldier in enemy hands receive only contempt from me.
You don't figure it out right away. Just a bunch of little things small and some big that don't really sit right. Like at the end of the cold war. instead of feeling a sense of relief,or accomplishment, all the talk was about what was going to happen with the budget. There was almost a sense of desperation to find a new enemy. .... Then during Gulf War I, Ididn't hear much about spreading democracy (not that I really bought into that anyway) I did hear a lot of bitchin about how the Airforce was getting all the publicity with their steath bombers and smart bombs. The navy had some smart bombs too, but the gun camera technology wasn't as good or it wasn't as available to the media as the navy would have liked. So during this whole thing we were fighting a public relations war within our own branches of the military. I never beleived the the military's role was to spread democracy. I did think it was fair enough for the military to protect our economic interests, but I was under the assumption that the system was fair and that everybody has an equal opportunity. You don't question much when youare an e-1 right out of high school you don't know anything and I guess the pay seems good when you're 18 years old. 4 years later hopefully if you have your shit together you have a bunch of technical knowlege and a bunch of responsibility and the pay is a bit better but your still working your ass off. Then you look at the O-2 or O-3 and realise he doesn't know shit just like you didn't and you can do his job but he's making 4x what you are but you are the one in the dead in job. So mostly the officer corps are a bunch of elitist pricks and the enlisted are a bunch of poor idiots. Not much room for somebody who is intelligent but didn't come from a rich family with a bunch of political connections. Mostly I think those people just get out and try to make it on their own. You know whats scarier than joining the military? Getting out of the military. Especially if you don't have a good familly who can hook you up with a good job. I'm sure that's the case with alot of people not really happy there, but got nothing else going for them so its easy to just stay in and collect your paycheck and everything else the military provides. They just settle in to whatever level of status/responsibility they are comfortable with and suck that government tit all the way to retirement. Some of them may even be actuall communists.
"Who are the real cowards?"
Objectively, if you are able to see it from that angle, going with the military flow and obeying orders takes less courage than standing up, following your convictions and risking either death or a court-martial.
@McMolotov - I didn't wake up until I went back to SE Asia in 1999-2000 to help with demining and UXO clearance ops in Laos and Cambodia. That's when I woke up to what the US military actually does. Upon returning home I promptly shred my DD-214 and honorable discharge and threw away every bit of military related crap. Why any parent who has been in the military would encourage their children to enlist is beyond me.
sand covered shit holes A
fuck you.
you been to detroit you been 2 the frack towns of north dakota numb nuts.
what is the difference between them and afghanistan?
We can't use our military in Destroit or North Dacoka.
Why? Too dangerous?
'What's the difference..?'
Poppies..
After all that's happened this fucker would've done better by re-uping with the Taliban.
why would he do that? he got promoted TWICE after his desertion. i know a guy who was one of the soldiers trying to find Bergdahl when he first disappeared in 2009 who tells me it was Pfc. Bergdahl, a few months removed from AIT. go AWOL, spend a few years with the enemy and when you come back you get several promotions! plus, imagine what his book deal is going to pay him!! only in America!
Sorry, but unless you have some documentation, I would call bullshit on that. The C.O. would have to put him in for promotion and approve it. If there is the slightest chance this guy was a deserter, no way an officer is going to sign off on a promotion.....unless things have really changed a LOT in the new mercenary army we have.
It's true, asshole.
Look it up yourself. You already sounded off on how much you feel for this "poor stiff". You are really gonna feel like an asshole as more of this comes out and I give exactly zero fucks how long your ass was in the bush, you didn't make it back with much sense.
The guy walked the fuck out of camp and joined the fucking Taliban.
Then he got promoted...twice...and will receive back pay.
Fucking awesome, huh.
His buddies?
They got dead looking for this dipshit.
Asshole.
I did look it up, and I learned something:
""Military personnel missing in action or held as prisoners of war are automatically promoted at the time as other service personnel with similar time in grade," Bradford said "There are no reviews done -- they are simply promoted. This policy has been in effect since World War II."
I did not know that. My personal experience was to go before a board after a reccomendation. He will, obviously, lose everything if it is established that he deserted. You were right and I was wrong about this.
It still does not change 2 tenets I live by. The first is innocent until proven guilty, and the second is leave no one behind. Number 1 is a part of being an American, and number two is part of being a soldier. So, pardon me if I don't set my hair on fire and join the lynch mob. There is pleanty of time to gather the facts, and I have no doubt that it will not just go away. After all, it is an election year.
After all that's happened and all that has been revealed...
What has been revealed is a silly post. Dem's good Repub's bad or vice verse, all grade school level politics.
'I'll ignore anything bad my criminal gang does and throw silly insults at the other criminal gang hahaha haha haha hahahahah'
Fucking nauseating
I'm well past politics and voting, but it seems many here aren't...
If we humor ourselves and believe for a minute there is a difference between these two gangs I'm just curious about the political strategy of the Republicans here. Do they really think attacking a POW is going to translate into votes?
According to a Rolling Stone article by the late Michael Hastings (he of the self-driving/exploding car fame), the GOP believed a few years ago that Bergdahl could be Obama's Willie Horton.
Didn't realize Hasting reported on this story. He really was good at digging into the shit. No wonder he got assassinated.
This is a pretty good article about Hastngs reporting on Bergdahl.
https://news.vice.com/article/why-was-the-fbi-investigating-michael-hast...
It's simple, most do not see him as a POW. He's actually a political pawn. I doubt this deal "just came up" in the last few days. They've been sitting on this for a while I guarantee. This is a win win for both parties. Republicans get to score a few political points and the Obama administration gets the VA scandal out of the spin cycle. Working as planned.
What is unbelieveable is how bowe bergdahl's father was able to utter the opening verse of every surah of the koran ( save the last one - last in terms of written not order) in the rose garden, who tweeted about avenging every dead afghani child, who maintains a youtube channel with lots of jihadi videos liked http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWY5to3oMQRcc9XZrpmSY5g and anyone can think he is anything but a deserter and a traitor.
I said before, even for a cynic like me this is remarkable.
p.s. the truth fucking hurts.
Let's assume that Bergdahl was not an operative, and for the sake of argument say is indeed a deserter and/or traitor. Does that mean he get sentenced to die in enemy hands by the court of public opinion with no opportunity to defend himself at a Court Martial or other form of due process?
IT means he's been alive for 5 years in good health ( the we didn't have 30 days garbage is bullshit ) as the only pow which on it's face makes no sense. There is a story going around that is video of him leaving his post ( as there most assuredly would be ) and jumping into a car and being spirited away .
He left on his own accord so at minimum that means you don't waste human life on him ( as was the case due to multiple deaths from searches and taliban traps directly involved in this ) and you certainly don't give away war criminals for his return.
That is what it means. It means this was treacherous, criminal, a bad deal - on every level it was bad. Even if this was all on the level it was bad, but it isn't. His dad is openly sympathetic to radical al quaeda aligned preachers, ideologies and is obviously pro jihadi looking at his youtube library. HE speaks arabic and pashto and unless he spoke to people often, he would not be fluent in.
Even with what we know, the story reeks. At minimum he's a deserter, and given his father's obvious leanings he is doubtlessly sympathetic.
Don't get me wrong I hate the western military military machine as much as anyone, but this is several bridges past any semblance of sanity. He wasn't lost onthe field of battle to a regular army. He left of his own accord and agree or not exhibited the leanings of a traitor.
Sorrt to the mentally infirm caught in the old paradigm.
p.s. downvoters, the dead relatives of the servicemen who dies as a result of traps and ambushes done because of bowe bergdahl's sedition thank you.
One thing is for sure... in 6 months this story will be gone, but the real issues won't be gone, but they will be sidelined by another BS distraction story.
of course, if even that long. Speaking to this let's not forget the role of qatar. Bekighted bronze age savages, ideological stronghold for the muslim brotherhood, sponsors of state terror and host to a taliban embassy.
http://www.indiatimes.com/news/asia/talibans-embassy-like-office-in-qata...
You'll see a push now for "reconciliation" with the taliban, after the US led itself into financial ruin by fighting a war against them which is the main feces laden course to this scenario which is a shit sandwich appetizer.
Well of course... the new "enemies" are now Russia and China. Now every sacrifice must be made to "thwart" them including "reconciliation" with the Taliban.
I've condsidered that cozying up to the taliban will help replenish the withered ranks of the global jihadi movement ( see Syria ). Include Iran on that list. Let's not forget one of these bearded butchers let loose was apparently responsible for the liquidation of literally thousands of shia.
Yes the fact that one of these guys is anti-Shia, begs the question, is Obama controlled by Sunni interests? If one assumes that Obama is a muslim, which is a darn good assumption given the evidence, one has to start considering that he must somehow be in the middle of the unbelievably fucked up internal politics of Islam. What flavor of muslim is Obama, I wonder? Is Sunni the kind they practice in Indonesia?
I have heard a lingering notion that the Obama administration is sympathetic to slash infiltrated by the muslim brotherhood. Given what we saw in Egypt, given their presence in Libya, given the relationship with qatar, and qatar's support for them ( qatar and the brotherhood were big in syria until the saudis stepped in ) I can't say that it is an unreasonable notion.
recall as well, the beknighted bitches of saudi arabia and qatar are fighting over muslim brotherhood issues.
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1577135
and the Us relations ( on some probably ficticious level ) have been better.
All interesting thoughts. I never considered berri to be a devout muslim, but the above all squares reasonably nicely without doing any mental contortions.
It's not a "lingering notion", its a FACT that the Obama administration is full of people who are OPEN MEMBERS of the Muslim Brotherhood. Surprise-- that fact is barely reported by the MSM. The only question is, how much influence do they have on the overall direction of the administration?
The "exchange" didn't address your last question?
Call up Valerie. She will fill you in....
Obama is a political animal with strategies we can only imagine. He is a black nationalist with Muslim leanings which is standard fare in many black prisoner populations today. He is intent on bringing down the western world. This latest debacle is simply another overt slap in our face. He is doing this not just openly but publicly. He is challenging anyone to do something about it. Sure lots of moaning and foot stomping but action...not so much. Look around the world. With his leadership, how many countries are now, for practical effect, leaderless? Destabilization and chaos are his weapons, and he has reached the point where he is not covert. He is warning us he has his pen and his phone, and that is exactly what he is doing. Americans are losing any confidence in ANY leadership that might come to power. The left will support any expansion of their powers and the republicans feign opposition while they are busily calculating how they can procure this power for their purposes.
We are fucked and Obama is telling us to our faces. Economically, politically, and internationally our confidence is crashing. When we believe it is fucked, it will be, and no one will be happier than Obama when it is finally proven out. There is nothing we will fight for but ourselves. No greater purposes or causes. Its all about me. I truly believe, united we stand and divided we fall. To read the disgust and distrust so many have for our government and our military and just about anyone else that is not in our direct little circle (myself included), i see the end in sight.
"That is what it means. It means this was treacherous, criminal, a bad deal - on every level it was bad. Even if this was all on the level it was bad, but it isn't. His dad is openly sympathetic to radical al quaeda aligned preachers, ideologies and is obviously pro jihadi looking at his youtube library. HE speaks arabic and pashto and unless he spoke to people often, he would not be fluent in."
Whether or not the trade was "good deal" or "bad deal," or whether the trade as legal or illegal has nothing to do at all with Bergdahl. And wtf does his father have to do with it?
Your comments reek of Jay Carney's admonition to a reporter justifying the drone murder of a US Citizen (who was a minor) with no due process that he should have had "a more responsible father."
Berdahl's father has a strong bearing on this because it gives us clues as to this US soldier's true loyalties.
It's only an indicator, but it sure is a bad looking one.
So many stories have been talked about the bergdahl talked about being disgusted by the US army, and what they were doing. He spent time in the barracks learning pashto and arabic. He said if his deployment didn't work he would get lost in the mountains. He sent his belongings home half way through a deployment shortyl before he left. There was chatter intercepted that there was an english speaker looking for the taliban after he factually left his post.
Those things indicate a level of not only desertion, but sympathy with the enemy. There was a report from a taliban guy that he was helping them with tactics and bomb making. This squares with the aforementioned.
The fact that his father, some flyover state dwelling honky is not only obviously muslim, but is fluent in pashto and arabic, has been openly sympathetic to the mujahideen and has been critical and threatening to the us military or the west, and the aforementioned shows a pattern.
An obvious pattern that him and his father are ideologically aligned, that almost wihout a doubt they are taliban sympathizers if not helpers, and that bergdahl was a guest not a POW.
I don't give a shit whether he gets due process. The facts are he is a deserter who is ideologically hostile to his country and sympathetic to the enemy and his father shares those leanings. This was a bad deal on the surface and a criminal one under it and your theoretical abstractions don't change that.
Why is the Taliban "the enemy"? WTF did they ever do to us? (Besides cut off our heroin supply.)
"I don't give a shit whether he gets due process. The facts are he is a deserter who is ideologically hostile to his country and sympathetic to the enemy and his father shares those leanings."
Wow. So let me get this straight: An accused is deemed guilty, with no chance of exoneration - because you've heard about "so many stories." Excuse me while I try to clean your shit stains off of my copy of the Constitution. . .
He can have due process now that he is home. I was more saying no effort should be made to get him back that would cost life or give away prisoners. They did both and it was a waste. The guy spent 5 years with friends, I would have preferred for him to die in a cave with his beast of burden / paramour - that is the point. So you can dry your tears with your freshly cleaned constitution.
Again, what we know shows he was a deserter and if the truth came out I would bet dollars to donuts that he provided material support to the enemy. NOw I say enemy in the sense that this is the force the US is fighting.
The whole canard about "hey this is a POW and we don't leave people behind and now he's back and can have due process" is a horseshit point that papers over the fact that this asshole on some level could have been given a summary field execution for being a member of an irregular fighting force.
Every one of those issues fall either to the feet of the administration, not Bergdahl, or should be determined through due process.
FYI The Army Manual for Executions requires that servicemen's guilt and punishment be determined by courts martial.
Besides - if he was aiding the enemy, we still should get him back for a proper prosecution. Again, whether you like the "deal" has nothing to do with Bergdahl.
(Personally, I'd be willing to bet the poster here who mentioned that we probably needed these Taliban clowns to help out in Syria, wasn't far off the mark).
I'm sorry, but you really don't know shit. You have a head full of rumors and supositions that you think can lead you to "obvious" conclusions, but what you know essentially nothing. Due process will hopefully bring us to a place where we KNOW, but that will take a while.
Furthermore, if he is a deserter, he needs to be brought home for trial and punishment. The military will put men in harms way to catch a traitor. Too bad we didn't catch him soon after he disappeared.
GEN Dempsey: "Sir, this man is a deserter and traitor. Here is his file."
Mugabe: "Wow! We must Reward-uhh, err, uhh, Rescue him, General! For Trial, of course!"
I personally do not care if he deserted or turned. The military will either investigate and charge or pretend to investigate and no charges will be filed. It's irrelevant. Why would I say that? Simple, this was a political ace in the hole. This deal could have been pulled off for some time now. They knew the controversy this would stir and held off for the right time. The right time was when the VA scandal gained traction in the spin cycle. Can't have the masses see what Ocare will eventually turn into. Played absolutely perfectly. It is working as intended.
Speaking of the VA scandal, I knew about the waiting lists over a year ago. It was reported in a few places and I believe it was covered in a book. So why did it take over a year to gain traction? And it went away quickly didn't it.
Criminal enterprise.
absolutely it will go nowhere. As an ace in the hole it only serves to illustrate the point that there was no rush to bring bowe home because bowe was home ideologically all along. HE got a fresh shave on the way to the site, and they made sure to conclude the affair with some wack ass threat of violence by some guy he was probably friends with.
The bottome line is that this is wrong and treasonous.
As for the Va scandal, again, an open secret that any retard ( even a canadian one ) knew about years ago. You're right.
I'm as cynical as the next guy but I don't follow your logic here. How is replacing one scandal with a much worse scandal a smart move?
The possibilities I see are as follows:
1) Obama is a muslim traitor and simply just hates the US so much that he couldn't pass up this opportunity to fuck over his own country.
2) As a Sunni Muslim, Obama's primary loyalty is to that sect and is beholden to its leadership. He was under orders to free the terrorist who slaughtered Shia.
3) Somebody in the middle east who is muslim has the US by the balls. Maybe they have planted nuclear weapons here and actually threatened to use them if they didn't get their terrorists back. Hell, maybe they used that threat to put Obama in place in the first place.
These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are other possibilities, but I can't imagine one that is even remotely good.
Why fucking not?
Obama droned the fuck out of an American abroad on less evidence.
Yet holds this fuck up as a valiant hero who served his country with distinction.
So fucking sideways.
That's why I question whether this is all just BS. Just more Al-CIA-da propaganda...
The family that Jihads together blows up together!
Fuck off Gaius Aurellious, son of Dickless AssSucker - mama monkey. You're just THAT stupid aren't you??!
"17 weeks, 16 hours."
Hey, shouldn't you be fucking a robot or something?
The pub(l)ic should be asking why are we in these endless wars.
I guess it is good fodder for TV and Hollywood. Insanity.
People should tell their kids to stay out of the military. Why turn your kids over to these evil NWO psychopaths?
another bullshit psyop. look over here! shiny object!
Barach Hussein Obama is the Manchurian candidate
+10,000!
bullish
And so ended the U.S. policy of "We do not negotiate with terrorists" well publicly at least..then again I suppose that would require us not including the financial terrorists we handed 787 Billion dollars to in 2008.
Fuck it..This has not been America for 50+ years and now we are not barely the shell of a collapsing nation we were 10 years ago.
I could not disagree more.
America is a world class collapsing nation.
Other collapsing nations only dream of the spectacular fall that we are about to take.
Don't sell US short.
Maybe so. They say the bigger they are, the harder they fall but there's one plan all should keep in mind: http://www.motherearthnews.com/editorial/blogs/diy/build%20your%20own%20yurt%20using%20papercrete.aspx?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=onsite#axzz33c48T6PT
Apparently, Taliban does negotiate with terrorists.
Well played.
This "we do not negotiate with terrorists" bullshit is complete bullshit.
What did they call it when Ronny Raygun, Ollie North, and Co. traded weapons to Iran for American hostages?
Yeah Reagan was such a bad guy that the NWO vermin tried to kill him once then used a prion later. Can you say B**h*s-Clinton-Obama all the same people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO2_49TycdE
The NWO is on the right in the glasses. The guy who kept calling Pete DuPont - "Pierre."
Reagan being a "good" or "bad guy" isn't the issue. The issue is that the United States, as a matter of real policy has always, and will continue to, negotiate with anyone, terrorist or not, if it can't otherwise bully or bribe that party into the action we want.
The "We don't negotiate with terrorists" meme is just puffery for the masses.
Impeach the dick for breaking the law of the land.
....and the rest of him, too!
As of 2007, Americans spend more on salsa than tomato ketchup.
I bought more vaseline
..and .gov brought the sand.
If salsa has less HFCS then this is great news!
Because people like to say "SALSA!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szlryk7XlMA
Guess he can count his chances of re-election in 2016 goodbye.
(/sarc for those that need it)
Sorry, just the opposite in the land of myopic Sheeple
The last three pictures - middle picture, left portion. The guy's like:
"I keeelll you infidel"
This is some quality fake distraction shit.
Deal of the Century: a muslim terrorist dream team in exchange for someone who allegedly renounced his U.S. citizenship, prefers speaking in Arabic than english and refused to do his duty: way to drive a good bargain by the arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan muslim ignoramus sociopathic liar in chief only interested in its celebrity grand imperial golf life style..... way to go!!!
i understand the taliban wanted to initially trade the big-eared-shuck-and-jiverster-in-chief for the five terrorists but it was decided the big eared jihadist might in fact take over the taliban. so in the name of job protection, they traded bergdahl instead. gotta love those talibanis, they sure are clever.
Great country we live in. Deserters who say they are ashamed to be an American are considered to have served with honor and distinction and their parents get to speak Arabic at the White House and call for more terrorists to be released. To Obama, Bowe Bergdahl is a real hero.
John "Swiftboat" Kerry, too.
Mugabe: "Tell me again how you helped the boys kill off some more Americans, Bowe! It's so.. fulfilling."
Traitor: "Do you think the Brothers you released will be able to get back into the Fight, Imam Bath House?"
Mugabe: "Well, yeh! I have a stolen Malaysian airliner and flight lessons waiting for them! If they pull off the mission I assigned to them, NYC will be a burnt cinder and I can unleash the DHS! Stick with me, Bowe, you might make a great SECDEF or FEMA Region Chief. Imagine all the Christians you can jail and torture! Check out this magazine!"
Traitor: "...Guillotine Monthly..."
Mugabe: "Heads will roll, baby! Think of all the Gold we can get from the Crosses some of them wear!"
Nothing will come of this...MF'ing pole smoker Obama is untouchable.
That looks like 5 pictures of the same dude
You fucking racist!!!!!!1
I'm glad that we can depend on the Taliban for news.
The soldiers in The Deserter's outfit have been told to shut up.
They are probably the only ones who will be disciplined if they continue to give interviews.
some others on ZH theorized these 5 will energize the Syrian opposition. They have street cred with the liver eaters. 2 of the 5 are implicated in the mass slaughter of Shia Muslims in Afghanistan.
Why the 5 for 1 trade? How important was this guy?
The point is that BO wanted to release as many anti-American's as he could. He got 6 turned loose in one simple swap. Big victory for BO and his ideology. The WH is planning more as we speak, i imagine.
All the rhoetoric about not knowing this, or having told congress that, etc., is just bull sh1t. BO wants to embarass America, wants to destroy everything traditional, good or superior about this country and it's people.
+10,000.
You are a little bit behind -
Government considers freeing another Guantanamo inmateYTou do realize that with the war in Afghanistan coming to an end, those prisoners will be released soon anyway?
Five for 1 ,and $6m .
The Israeli military routinely does this...they'll exchange many Palestinians for a single Israeli soldier.
I'm sure that those Palestinians are thoroughly "processed" before they are exchanged, and that the Israeli soldiers are well-trained to gather info during their captivity. No doubt the Israeli's want to get that info, and have no problem exchanging a bunch of tapped-out sources to get it...
ovomit has pretty much denutted your military & your constitution & turning you into mexico north. good luck with that & watch what happens when your dollar is turned into the pos it is