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Ukraine Closes 8 Border Crossings On Reports Of Russian Troop Movement
On the eve of Obama and Putin coming face-to-face on the beaches in Normandy, tensions appear to be re-escalating in the south and east of Ukraine. As Ukrainian forces continue their "anti-terrorist" operations, newly 'elected' President Poroshsenko is steppung up the protection of his sovereignty:
- *UKRAINE CLOSES 8 BORDER CROSSINGS WITH RUSSIA
- *POROSHENKO: 'TERRORISTS' BEING SENT INTO UKRAINE TO SOW CHAOS
There is a great deal of chatter about Russian troop movements into Ukraine with " major accusations today that small units of well-armed militants, some of whom are traveling in armored vehicles, are crossing the Russian border and engaging in firefights with Ukrainian border guards." As if that was not enough, there are now reports that the Chief of Poroshenko's presidential campaign administration has died after an assassination attack in Nemirov city.
Ukraine's government has stated on its website that...
- Seven checkpoints in Luhansk closed, 1 in Donetsk region “to ensure civil security,”
Following talk of Russian troop movements... Via InterpreterMag,
There are major accusations today that small units of well-armed militants, some of whom are traveling in armored vehicles, are crossing the Russian border and engaging in firefights with Ukrainian border guards.
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Now, Tymchuk reports that 1 APC, 4 Kamaz trucks mounted with heavy machineguns, 3 minibuses and 4 cars filled with militants have all crossed the border near the Marinovka checkpoint, north of Lugansk.
Meanwhile, this video claims to show several Russian BTR armored vehicles racing toward the Ukrainian border to the south, near Rostov on Don and racing toward Amvroseyevka. While the video has not been verified, the topography matches (as does the weather report), but the date is not confirmed. The problem is that, months ago, when large amounts of Russian troops were on the move, there were many eyewitness reports and videos. Two vehicles, or smaller convoys, moving on major highways, might pass witnesses by before they have the chance to video the vehicles. In other words, these claims are very hard to prove, or disprove.
The reports of Russian troops and vehicles crossing the border have not been independently verified, but the frequency of those claims over the last few days has been alarming, and coincides with a sudden surge in separatist military assaults, and victories.
The Ukrainian government appears to be losing control of the border, which means that the flood of Russian fighters across the border may be unstoppable at this moment without a significant change in fortune for the Ukrainian military.
And then news of Poroshenko's election campaign manager being killed...
Head of the election headquarters of presidential candidate of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko in one area of the Vinnitsa region was found murdered in Nemiroff.
"Fifth June, about half of the first body of a man with a gunshot wound to the head found in the cabin of his own car on a street Nemirova. Given the evidence, the Investigation Department officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Vinnytsia region opened criminal proceedings on the grounds of an offense under article" Intentional murder "of the Criminal Code of Ukraine", - the " Interfax referring to the site of MIA of Ukraine.
Perfect timing for US equities to hit all new record highs... as Russia and Ukraine look set to actually come to blows...
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Putin man-lovers please take note. He plays dirty. But, he is effective, unlike contemptible First Golfer Obama.
Ukraine soon will be Russian again.
Did they spot something like this "Urban Assault Vehicle"?
http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/126982-upcoming-detail-em-50-urban-as...
Shumer has Jefferson's Bill of Rights to protect him.
And oh, did that particular EM-50 come with the drop down tailgate-ramp?
Hmmm...sounds like they know what they're doing. Does Ukraine need some extra border work? Cuz we've got a bit of a border crisis going on here right now, and as always our treasonous, inept, scumbag government won't/can't do a fucking thing about it.
Ukrainian Ingenuity:
http://youtu.be/SSyr71V_ArA
Ukrainian "terrorists" start a WWII era tank used as a monument!!!
*POROSHENKO: 'TERRORISTS' BEING SENT INTO UKRAINE TO SOW CHAOS
ie. Tanks being sent into eastern Ukraine to suppress liberties
The treads will probably fall off from decades of rust and I doubt the gun breach is still intact and the barrel is probably filled with concrete
When they meet in Normandy...
Putin should challenge Obama to a barechested duel inside Thunderdome.
Call it Operation Overlord Deux
Everybody is CLIMAXING...this weekend.
Ukraine’s crisis marks climax of Western course towards Russia - Lavrov
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/734814
Climax...RESET...NIRP...Chinese ShadowBanx Collapse...fandango.
And the bogys welded up too. That's what they did on the m41that's ours here. Got my eye on that pretty little m26 next county over. Was there before all the weirdness started. Ps m18 would be the best choice even today with pending unpleasantness to come
not to worry...plenty of parts around
Hats off!
Monument or stratigic reserve?
Russian built stuff always works and everything can be fixed with a hammer.
Perhaps we should dig a tunnel under our southern border that would connect Mexico with Russia. Two problems solved.
That's the facts Jack!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wZ39aAhokQ
They could be those sneaky Canadians always driving around in their RVs looking for beer, eh!
Pretty sure your comment was not aimed at me, but I just want to clarify that I detest all forms of government at this point in my life. We don't need no stinking rulers.
Dr. Richard, you are correct on all points.
We lost akak because of all the Putin man love...
Clearly I am missing something with all the red arrows re my comments re Putin. I would be interested from those of you voting my comments down.
-- Putin is NOT a thug? Please explain.
-- Am I being anti-gay in my remarks?
-- Are you Russian trolls? (in that case no explanation necessary)
Thank you for letting me know, I am completely bewildered.
I gave you a reply further down DoChen
Please compare and contrast Putin's actions in light of the aggressive policy of the West in the past few years before calling him a thug, maybe he is reacting to a grave threat to his mother country
No DoChen you are not being gay but are rather taking the aura of a person who is becoming indoctrinated into the IMF and Mario Draghi Scum Country Club
No we are American trolls fed up with a hijacked country and a torn Constitution
Yes, you did, thank you. I replied as well.
Da,
I U menya most v New Yorke na prodazhe za nebolshuyu summy.
Yeap, Im with Cosmos and Dr D Head on this. At the same time I know Putin is far from ideal (and he maybe needs to do less of the bareback riding for the cameras), he gets my vote over the fudgepacker hole-in-one golfer in chief and his caddy Cameron any day. You just cannot believe a single word out of those fuckers mouths, plus if they are puppets for TPTB, I just prefer to root for the 'little' guy hoping he'll fuck it up for them. I actually hope for a ruskie-sino tag team to kick shit out of Obozo and Cams (bringing down the EU in the process) but shit, we all have our little dreams XD. Don't get me wrong, I don't want millions killed in unnecessary war or anything, but it looks like their plans are gonna take us down that road come what may. I just hope if it does come to that, those fuckers do some suffering too.
I second that.
Would you rather have a ruler like Obama or Putin (same country and all that scenario)? The insinuation is that by being a ruler this is someone you have to contest against. Would you want to go into a dispute with a Putin or an Obama?
If you would prefer to fight Putin you are a fool.
Cosmos you are not troll if on top of the bridge defending
What if the road goes under the bridge?
I'm not going to pass judgement. akak should rejoin right here right now and let's carry on.
I didn't "red" you but I did participate in the final akak posts and will say the same thing again.
The empire is immensely evil and is run by people who are immensely stupid. The sooner it ends, the better for humanity. The Russian leadership has become a serious obstacle towards imperial expansion. Someone who enjoys watching the empire bluster and fail is not necessarily expressing a desire to be a serf in a different empire.
In short: I can enjoy the schadenfreude without endorsing the cause.
That is a very agreeable way to put it. Sadly I don't think all feel the same as you.
The US PTB pay agents to propagandize and troll forums like this. The Russian PTB pay agents to propagandize and troll forums like this. It is hard to trust anyone who appears to pick a side between Russia and the West. In this mind the only rational, educated, and awake take is a pox on both.
Russia has strong, intelligent careful leadership. Putin Administration is not one man, but many men (and women)
You need find another subject to obsess about. You get downvote because is tiresome inane nonsense.
type bewildered 2000 times then
This might help:
June 5th combat SITREP update by "Juan"
??????? ????? Krasni Liman was taken by Ukraine Army and national guard 04 June 2014.
Replacement Mi24 attack helicopters have arrived in Ukraine as replacements for the Ukraine Army losses in Donbas. Confirmed.
Strong bombardments Slavyansk City and outlying towns and villages commenced 05:00 local time 05.06.2014. Civilian casualties unknown.
National guard/right sector entered Railroad Hospital Krasni Liman and shot dead 37 wounded Donbas Army soldiers and civilians and at least 1 hospital worker. Confirmed.
Air and artillery bombardments Krasni Liman cause strong civilian casualties 04.06.2014.
List of dead air attack on Lugansk Administration Building:
Kostjukov Vladimir Andreyevich , 1971 (regional administration)
Corn Inna (regional administration)
Giza Alexander (regional administration)
Unidentified woman
Dolzenko Nina 1955 (regional administration)
Polezhaev Sergey 1964 (regional administration)
Natalia Arkhipova (regional administration)
Cerkez Galina 1967 (regional administration)
Confirmed reports national guard/right sector random shooting civilians Krasni Liman and searching residences.
Border Guard Headquarters and one military base taken by Donbas Army 04.06.2014. Large amounts of weapons and ammunition captured in both bases. Border Guard HQ prisoners allowed to change to civilian clothes and leave base. Prisoners from military base unknown if allowed to leave after surrender.
Name, rank and unit of Ukraine pilot SU25 attacked Lugansk Administration Building known. Complete conversation of pilot with control before, during and after attack recorded by Donbas Army.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.jp/2014/06/june-5th-combat-sitrep-update-b...
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In case you missed it the first time (understandable if you did as it took me awhile to write it):
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/behind-curtain-%E2%80%93-putin-...
-- Putin is NOT a thug? Please explain DCRB.
Let me ask you this. When did you stop beating your wife?
Why don't you make your case? Enough with the ad homonimisms.
One a side note Are you really such a good judge of character? Really?
I recall not too long ago, you wrre trying to fob off Newt Gingrich, of all people on the ZHedgers. Do you still like Newt?
Maybe your like some contrarian market indicator?
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Actually I believe the last straw for him was the number of otherwise intelligent people fawning over Sarah Palin like she was some clairvoyant savior of the republic.
BTW, and please don't take offense because none is intended, the whole "man love" thing sounds kind of ...... well ...... gay.
DCRB said:
You're a decent person, and you've managed to see through a good part of the bullshit that has kept most Americans absolutely mesmerised their entire lives. That's better than a lot of people on both counts. Seriously.
You understand that the Federal Reserve is a private bank, that The Market® is a rigged casino, that the news media are paid scriptreaders, and that every single event, action, and utterance in Vichy DC is an element of a well choreographed lie.
All I can say is oh my fuck! How is it possible that, despite all this, you still swallow the spoonfed official narrative when it comes to the Ukraine and/or Putin? That's a huge fucking blind spot.
Do you really think Putin or Russia had anything at all to do with the death of Pedro Pachinko's campaign manager?! That defies all sense. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing so. Nothing.
Pedro Pachinko's campaign manager was killed by, or at the behest of, the CIA. You know that as well as I do. Uncle Sam wants t make sure that there is no chance for any kind of reconciliation between Ukraine and Russia after the new Ukrainian president is inaugurated. Uncle Sam murdered the campaign manager as a way of poisoning the well.
Uncle Sam is a thug.
Ukraine soon will want to be Russian again. Good luck with that, though, because as the article below explains, Russia doesn't see Ukraine as a prize, but a huge burden.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-look-in-long-distance-who-wi...
Stooge, I'm a big fan of your excellent work.
Re. What's up with DCRB. Cass Sunstein types have got to understand sleeper cells, moles, maybe what people call limited hang-out. Not necessarily the case with DCRB. Maybe he still gets cable?
@ DoChanRollingBearing
Ukraine soon will be Russian again.
Not if the people of Ukraine got anything to say about it !
Your 100% WRONG ! ! !
automic bomb???
Doc, is this some new type of mechanized Irish munition?
just an ignorant fool who can't spell and it too fast to post without spellcheck.
and here i thought you were referencing Kubrick's doomsday device from Dr. Strangelove.
It is actually a weapon based on artificially created tiny black holes:
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fheartlandsenglish.wik...
The Clockwork Atom Bomb
Dominic Green
- Sorry, the link dosn't work right. Try searching for the story title.
I think he was referring to a GM vehicle.
It's the same thing as a nuculer bomb.
So what's the problem??
"Automic bomb" should be added to GM's list of banned phrases.
hahahaha, sad but soo true! C'mon Kiev, get it started!
hahahaha, sad but soo true! C'mon Kiev, get it started!
A dream come true for the lovely Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU.) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan.
The Western Vaginal Coalition has been penetrated yet again..
It would appear that there is a lot of "in -n - out" occurring at this point in time.
What would you do if you discovered the 100 Xi people were actually there, for exactly what they said they were - airport security?
What would you do if it turned out there wasn't a CIA operative under every bush, and that the people fighting actually were all Ukrainians?
What would you do if you discovered that the CIA's way of doing such things is to provide targeted money and political support, but let the locals do the dirty work?
Where in all these internet videos are the 100,000 US contractors that Russians imagine are agitating in the Ukraine?
What would you do if you discovered that certain bad people in the West actually WANTED to provoke Russia into attacking everyone in the West because they would make money?
What would normal people in the West who have nothing to do with Ukraine do if they were attacked by Easterners who were angry about Ukraine?
What would you do wihen one paid troll shows up on ZH and rambles?
What would you do when he stumbles over his chutzpah shoelaces over and over?
What would you do when he brings along his pal paid trolls?
Please ask your supes to send along some superior grade trolls. You are boring.
"terrorists" (read: US/NATO contractors)
Sounds like someone ordered up some cossacks.
poland had border crossings also to stop the Nazi's...
it only made a great photo opp...
http://www2.uncp.edu/home/rwb/nazi_attack_poland.jpg
Poland talked big invincible and murdered ethnic Germans...then couldn't back up the talk
They love elect cocky leaders that ask for trouble...Like it is National Pastime and genetic
then cry victim
i hope putin appreciates that obama is taking time from his daily 36 holes to go shake hands and pretend to not be an asshole for a few minutes.
Reports of fighting in Odessa floating around the interweb now.
My guess is that Odessa is about to become the focal point. If Russia gets Odessa then the rest of the south / east Ukraine will likely follow within a few months. They'll leave Kiev the rest (including Chernobyl..... of course).
Question is: will NATO step up to bat here and make a war out of this little scuffle. Shur would come in handy right about now.............
Of course the effectiveness of the feux art of mass distraction is decreasing by the minute now. They'll have to ramp this sucker up to 11 to get anyone's attention.
No they won't.
Because they were never interesting in investing in Ukraine except where they could see a benefit to themselves.
The main danger is the opportunities Putin's assertionism provides to a wide array of powerful people.
- The Eurocrats can easily cause an escalation in any Russian military intervention, such that other neighbors borders are crossed, whether because of provocation or by way of false flag. It doesn't matter which. Once everyone is afraid of being invaded Eurocrat power is likely to grow as people band together for security. That's a possible answer to EuroSkeptics.
- The US & Euro Bankers are insolvent. Any rational person can see it. War kills rationality, and has been the primary fall-back of regimes in financial trouble. The bankers would bet that people will ignore their hands in the public's pockets if they think the loot is being pooled for their defense.
- Each of the superpowers, both established (US & Euro) and rising (Russia, China) see an opportunity to eliminate rivals.
Russians! Quit beating your chests! No one wins in a war!
Bingo. Shit is bad and people are starting to question why they need the Europen Union. Hell they are even asking why we need to be apart of California here in the U.S.! Therefore it is time to show why they are needed. To "protect" them from the evil Russion prick that is Putin. False flags by the weekend.
Yes,
But the Russians are suffering from SEBLS (Sudden Erection Brain Loss Syndrome) and falling for the evil fucks' plans.
Hell, even PCR is falling for it. Essentially he is busy providing justification to Russia for why they need a pre-emptive war against the West.
Never mind that US Nukes have been so well secured that 80 year old protesters have been able to get to them. Or that the arsenal has been rotting away with expiring half-lives while Russia was expanding their own.
Nope. We must ignore that. Because if the Washington Government is a center of concentrated evil (which it is) then surely, SURELY, the Russian government are good guys fully deserving to be sanctified with SaintHood.
I am sure that Putin is on the phone with Kiril arranging for Icons of himself and his friends to be placed in every Orthodox church as we speak...
The irony is that if they hated the evil Western Oligarchs as much as we in the West do, they would understand that they only need to buy Gold. Tactical patience will provide the opportunities for Western Locals to set right their own Body Politic.
Unless, they actually wanted something different than to simply be rid of the evil Western Oligarchs.
As far as I can see, Putin and the Putinites have done nothing to earn trust and belief. It looks more like they simply want to take over the Western Banker scam.
I think you'll find they ARE buying gold, and undermining the petro-dollar..
What's with all this damning with faint praise?
Your not punching doggies here. Tell us how you really feel.
What's with this Putin man-hate? Are you ashamed of your genitalia? When did it all start with you?
WAR IS A RACKET..
"... No one wins in a war!"
Yes. There are winners. Your phrase, while certainly well meaning in intent, is just as wrong as 'Crime doesn't pay.'
No.
No one wins in a war. A war is pure destruction. Been there. Done that.
And crime doesn't pay. It LOOTS and there is a difference.
It is just that the people who think these things focus so much on one point of droplet of gain that they fail to see the WHOLE OCEAN of adverse consequences.
Milton best described them when speaking for the Devil in Paradise Lost, "Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n".
They measure wealth not in absolute terms, but compared to the next guy.
So the thug who kills his neighbor to steal his grain harvest, thinks he is rich as he watches his neighbor's family die. And he just can't understand what happened the next winter as he begins to starve.
"reign in Hell" INDEED!
Respectfully, the ghosts of Alexander the Great, Ghengis Kahn and others would disagree. Each to their own I guess.
Judging by the outcry against the U.S. getting involved in Syria this will be a "dark pools" war with the U.S. sending supplies and mercenaries but nothing "official".
Dumbest damn thing we have done in a very long time; Russia is not the Taliban nor Al Qaeda, and even they have beat us.
NATO weakness is inherent in that, Russia can send in volunteers by the thousands and they speak the local language and can melt in. NATO has no effective native speakers it can send in that are capable fighters. The western ukes have not shown themselves to be effective fighters by staying home and out of the military. The trap that NATO hoped would catch Russia might well enough spring back on them.
Hungary has called for ethnic rights of Hungarians in its border region with hungary, that is 200K people. In this land grab with a weak central Ukraine govt what are the temptations for Hungary to get back its pre WW2 lands now part of Ukraine. Or Romania for that matter of fact. This can potentially set off NATO members infighting amongst themselves and can unravel quickly.
It will be very interesting in the days ahead. Perhaps in the same manner in which the west did the little surprise move on Russia with the coup during the Olympic Games in Sochi. Maybe now the Russians have a LITTLE D-DAY ceremony SURPRISE for the West ;)
Olympics where?
So-what-chi?
Oh, yes. Ukraine was certainly an well integrated operation that was planned specifically for culmination to coincide with Sochi Olympics. At least 300,000,000 American's didn't watch them! Which makes it a perfect target, of course.
Because the West had demonstrated the highest efficiency and foresight with Ukraine interventions so far!
I am sure there was a CIA agent with traffic flags waiting on the road to Yanukovich's private airport, to stop traffic JUST IN TIME for the opening ceremony!
And surely there was an FBI agent standing at every street corner, checklist in hand, to make sure it all went according to schedule!
Alternatively, you might actually be Russian. Because no one but Russia was really all that emotionally involved in the Sochi Olympics. Seems like there is an Olympics most every year, these days. No build-up of anticipation at all... Unless you are in Russia who last hosted one in 1980.
Also, JUST POSSIBLY every activity in the world is NOT a plot against Russia.
And possibly the fact that Washington is full of evil assholes doesn't mean the population of the Kremlin have breakfast with Christ and tea with mother Teresa.
So, since you guys are 100% intolerant of any variation from the ideas you dictate, or less than adoring slavering worship of Dear Leader, let me use this as an opportunity to irritate you.
Putin is not trustworthy.
I wear my red arrows as a badge of honor.
Olympics where?
RUSSIA to a dude that cant read a MAP
So-what-chi?
Guess you ditched going to your linguistics GE class in college to buy the beers for the frat party that night
Oh, yes. Ukraine was certainly an well integrated operation that was planned specifically for culmination to coincide with Sochi Olympics. At least 300,000,000 American's didn't watch them! Which makes it a perfect target, of course.
More were watching the World Cup Soccer Matches in Japan, that didnt stop the USA from giving their Georgian puppet the green light to shell civillians (kind of like what we see again here in Ukraine) Someday I hope the city you live in Gets Shelled John.
Because the West had demonstrated the highest efficiency and foresight with Ukraine interventions so far!
Sure is efficient getting hundreds of women and children killed with shelling of their homes by saying you won't get our IMF dollars until to bomb them into submission, preferrably dead.
I am sure there was a CIA agent with traffic flags waiting on the road to Yanukovich's private airport, to stop traffic JUST IN TIME for the opening ceremony!
I hear Nuland and the candy oligarch dude gave tons of cookies chocolate and bullets to the right sector dudes in Kiev who were firing guns in the beginning at unarmed riot police. Then I hear she said Fuck the EU athletes during the Olympics while she had her own sniper olympics contest going on in a competing Nuland Shooting Games in kiev.
And surely there was an FBI agent standing at every street corner, checklist in hand, to make sure it all went according to schedule!
More than that, they had an NGO office fully staffed at every street corner wiseguy.
Alternatively, you might actually be Russian. Because no one but Russia was really all that emotionally involved in the Sochi Olympics. Seems like there is an Olympics most every year, these days. No build-up of anticipation at all... Unless you are in Russia who last hosted one in 1980.
American exceptionalism I see going on, nobody can have better Olympics than us. USA USA USA USA USA. Detroit is looking mighty impressive these days, great venue to symbolize what is going on home for the Next Olympics John.
Also, JUST POSSIBLY every activity in the world is NOT a plot against Russia.
You keep saying that John but you keep pushing NATO boundaries closer to encircle Russia. What should I believe, what you say or what you do? Help me out on that one its kind of hard buddy.
And possibly the fact that Washington is full of evil assholes doesn't mean the population of the Kremlin have breakfast with Christ and tea with mother Teresa.
Hear your tea with Nutnyahooo went great.
So, since you guys are 100% intolerant of any variation from the ideas you dictate, or less than adoring slavering worship of Dear Leader, let me use this as an opportunity to irritate you.
Not working keep trying Johnny come lately.
Putin is not trustworthy.
You on the other hand are John. Johnny tells no lies.
I wear my red arrows as a badge of honor.
Why are they a stain on your rear end?
No COSMOS, not American exceptionalism. The media in the west was not the most focused on the Olympics this year. It was noteworthy how much they ignored it.
The fact that you didn't know they mostly ignored it means you lied about being from the West.
I simply forced you to reveal a lie about where you are from.
You claimed you were from the West, and your own post above reveals you lied.
What else have you lied about, I wonder?
I am pushing NATO boundaries? Really, COSMOS. You seem to have me confused with someone else.
I am the guy who gets Government Trolls like you to admit who they are in public. Because nothing can blow your cover like you can.
I am also the guy who called you out for attacking someone much more polite than I simply for not supporting your favored politician with enough fervor.
And now everyone knows you are from Russia posing to be from the West.
I ya cmotrel Olimpiadu v Sochi po Russki na pervi canal.
So, you clearly earned all 1's before dropping out of Detsky Sad.
Because I didn't reveal you.
I induced you to reveal yourself.
Guess I can fake a Russian accent with my Southern drawl for your next movie about the 'Terrrirrists' from Russia eating American babies. Like I said before dude, he started it by calling people who disagree with him as Russian Trolls, he could of Said Russian Prince Charmings and all would of been ok....
Actually you started it by attacking him after he said that the pro-putinites were a 'downer'.
He seems to be a polite guy.
I am not.
My next movie about what?
Again you seem confused. Wherever you get these ideas it does not seem that they are based on anything concrete.
You attacked someone for not supporting your favorite politician enough!!!
You believe I should trust the use of your judgement of a politician, but demonstrate that you cannot be discerning in the use of your keyboard?
I think you are confusing pro Russian inclinations for the real hatred growing amongst the west for the US and EU governments.
Wow... Did you catch your woman rubbing one off to a shirtless picture of Vlad?
Uh, no.
But it appears you are doing one now.
If you put your trust in a politician you are building your house on sand.
Why the hate gcjohns? Ask yourself.
Or maybe you secretly want Vlad all for yourself and will publically hate on him and all of his admirers until that happens.
I don't hate him.
But I don't trust him.
And it is my habit to attack the intolerant. The Putinites clearly qualify, since they attacked someone for BEING INSUFFICIENTLY ENTHUSIASTIC.
gcjohns are you now or have you ever been caught in a cheer leader outfit at a Zato tailgating party? Cryin won't help u, crin won't do you no goo d.
Those red arrows are actually a sign of low IQ (recognized as such by other participants to this blog), but you can wear them proudly no less...
ramble on....
paid by the letter: 1200 x X
paid by the word: 240 x Y
or hourly at $8?
got a good benefit package?
nice amerikan air conditioning?
Sorry, I thought the warning sign was clearly posted! :>D
Seperate out the Pollack regions is what is needed. The old Polish lands.
Most of crazies are from those regions.
Welcome to politics Eastern European style.
When the US signed up to involve itself, it clearly didn't understand the context.
Nothing in Ukraine is better. Everything in the Ukraine is worse.
Europe doesn't have those alternate suppliers in Kazakhstan via the BAKU pipeline that were supposed to use the Ukraine pipelines, nor the ones in Qatar.
The Gulf Princes don't have their expanded European contracts delivering through Nabucco.
And now every atrocity that happens in Ukraine will be a badge of shame to the US.
What is really, really puzzling, is that Putin gets no responsibility for anything that HE does in the Ukraine. He's more popular than ever in Russia. And people who criticize him get attacked both by their neighbors and by official agencies.
That is not a good sign.
But who am I to criticize? Totalitarianism is so popular that even the "Home of the Free and the Brave" has adopted it.
And apparently, it is unacceptable in society to have no favorites and condemn them all.
The Putin Man-Love Syndrome is my only real downer here at ZH...
First let us look at the totalitarian regime here in the USA run by our own oligarchs and one party system masquerading as two, before we criticize abroad. Now as far as the Putin Love blah blah blah, DoChen are we supposed to go to embrace your IMF-Central-Bank Orgy as they devour European and world countries and enslave people with forced debt taken on by coup or corrupt politicians who sell out their countries and their resources. Take a hike and ride out of ZH town on your rusted bearings if you dont like seeing people applaud a deeply religious man like Putin who is like St George fighting the IMF dragon.
Thank you for replying COSMOS. Actually I dislike our own oligarchs (IMF, banksters, politicians) as much as the next guy.
I have read that Putin claims to be religious. But, is he really? Or just another totalitarian tough-guy masquerading as a Savior? Hitler said God was on his side.
I concede that I have read that within Russia Putin truly is popular, because he IS tough and he DID rescue Russia from their oligarchs. But, Putin as a St. George?
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We sell pristine quality bearings from Korea, Japan and China. Not rusty ones. Russian bearings do not sell in Peru for a reason.
I guess they like their Russian Bearings already installed in Russian Mi helicopters the operate and buy from the Russians DoChen.
Also the seem to fancy the Su-29s also. Too bad you can't be a middle man on those deals, maybe that is why you are bitter.
your first mistake is assuming you know somebody's character from hearing a speach on tv. what makes you so confident putin isnt like any other politician, just working for a different crime organization. for anyone to blindly follow what appears to be propaganda from either side is just stupid.
maskone909, Putin obviously is prepared to take the role of "vicious wolf" and seems to be a better organized gang. Question is will that deliver better overall governance?
wars are faught by proxy, and with financial weapons. no need for governance when you have derivitives and CLO's. in all seriousness i cant call it. im not russian nor have i been to russia. i only care what happens in my own backyard, USA. but quite frankly the world could benifit from less governance and more liberties. we dont need a leader anymore.
Certainly cant be any worse that what is in store with the IMF governance.
so couldnt you simply choose neither!?!? if you already understand that both are fucked up already. flawed logic. pretty much sums it up.
Neither means the Zato thesis never meets it's anti-thesis. That's too depressing to contemplate, isn't it?
Anyways, for you neither is just the skirt you're hiding behind when you're really just a Zato Queen in drag. You know you're not going to get any traction here with your Zato song and dance.
Say hello to gcjohns for me.
Putin obviously is prepared to take the role of "vicious wolf" Why? Because your MSM Oligarchy says so?
Watch it Cosmos. Tag-team. Bogies left and right of u.
You're doing a great job against a massive and well fiat-funded propaganda machine.
DoChen has been invited to leave for not being pro-Putin enough.
Does that sound like a better deal than what the Western Criminal Oligarchs are offering?
Sounds like the same deal different face to me.
I was being facetious with the ZH town comment John. As far as Russian bearings they did quite well in moving their tanks across the fields of Europe in WW2 as the pushed back those HQ German bearings. DoChen and in powering their current military equipment. Why are you not carrying American roller bearings DoChen???? Are you not a Patriot? Or do you have your allegiances somewhere else? That would explain the negative attitude towards Putin....hmmmm
fucking lame. attacking dochens character, obviously shows your intentions. .gov written all over this
Sure so DoChen can call me a Russian 'TROLL' and that is not an attack on my character. But if I do less than that to him you jump right in to beat up on me. Man you are an EXCEPTIONALISM kind of guy.
COSMOS, please carefully read my third comment up-thread. I did not call you a troll, nor have I attacked your character, nor have I even attacked Putin´s. I was wondering why I got all the red.
I had read a few days ago that Russia´s .gov has hired trolls to seed negative comments on important websites, like Zero Hedge.
How can I apply?? I won't mind writing good Inglish for Putin against the Obummer's of this world.
+ 1 was from me. LOL. I don´t know how to apply for that job.
"beat up" good one.
No COSMOS,
SoChen is polite.
I called you a government troll...
And I even got you to admit as much in your own post, after you'd claimed to be western.
I guess your boss will be mad that you have to waste time getting a new web identity.
Indeed for tanks, Russian bearings seem to work very well. I am not qualified to discuss Russian bearings in military equipment, that is beyond my scope (we sell automotive bearings).
Timken (the USA´s only large bearing company) will not sell to us, they seem to be happy enough with their distribution here in Peru.
So, we "dance with who brung us": Asia. And we are doing very well. Russian bearings in the automotive replacement bearing market have an approximately 0% share. No one in Peru wants them. Even at a low price. They prefer Chinese at the low end (vs. Russian).
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Nor do I have a problem with Putin! I understand that Russia likes their leaders strong, and Russia has been over-run by enemies for centuries.
It is the love for Putin HERE at ZH in his foreign adventures that mystifies me.
I agree that the USA is guilty of the same, perhaps worse.
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Finally, no I am not bitter. Au contraire! In many ways I am the happiest and most blessed man I know.
Well, you need to get around more! (lol)
Ah! Maybe so! Last time I got a good drink from dictatorships was in East Germany and Poland (in 1984).
Maybe I need a refresher course. :)
At least six people at the present moment think that it is appropriate to attack someone for being INSUFFICIENTLY ENTHUSIASTIC in praising a politician.
Think about that.
SoChen only said that the intolerance of other views on Putin was a downer.
He did not insult Putin or Russia in any way. He simply expressed no enthusiasm for it.
Is that how you people really want to live?
Trying to be the loudest supporter in order to avoid attack?
Where is the distinction?
If I criticize Obama, the IRS attacks me. If I criticize Putin, then you do?
But I am supposed to believe Putin is better?
How?
Looks the same from here.
Look, nobody's perfect, are they?
The problem with you and your mob is that you relie on ad homonim, empty attacks, just like the Orwellian MSM, just like Zato in general.
It makes it look like you have no argument.
Now why would you hump the Zato party line like you do, yet can't offer any argument why?
Putin is necessary. It was a good day for mankind when he took the field. The Zato juggernaught will only break down when it crashes into something it can't over run. Thank you Mother Russia. Let's see, Napoleon, NAZIs and now Zato. That's some haul! There gonna need a bigger trophy case.
And for the Zhedgers out there who feel it's all fake and they're all in on it/NWO, please take a look into and explain Berezovsky. I mean if there are real casualties among the top ranks, how can they be on the same side?
Turd burger VS Shit sandwich.
Pro tip: Skip this meal.
All served in a dirty ashtray.
I down arrowed you an I'm no Putin lover. However the pricks in DC are worse and they are the cause of the entire Ukraine problem. This time and I say it with sadness, I am rooting for Putin and Russia
......." In1989 President George H. W. Bush began the multi-billion dollar Project Hammer program using an investment strategy to bring about the economic destruction of the Soviet Union including the theft of the Soviet treasury, the destabilization of the ruble, funding a KGB coup against Gorbachev in August 1991 and the seizure of major energy and munitions industries in the Soviet Union. "........
Some folks just have no sense of history........... DC/MIC/Banksters have been fucking the world over for many many moons and now they are taking another run at the eastern alliance - no doubt we are seeing the psychopaths are in a death match with the sociopaths but as i understand it both like Mutton just fine ......... poor little sheeple had better stop eating the Monsatan offerings and grow some steel wool and soon....
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Could you be a little more specific? What exactly has he done?
Nice Try! War in Ukraine? What do you think we are dumb? This isn't 1914.
Stock market at all time high with a War brewing, what will people think of next.
400 Greystone mercenaries and countless CIA and FBI agents were sent by the Nobel Prize Winner to spread sweetness and light in Ukraine.
http://rt.com/news/158212-academi-blackwater-ukraine-military/
Hundreds of US mercenaries are directing the repression of pro-Russian protesters in eastern Ukraine by the fascist forces of the NATO puppet regime in Kiev, according to German media reports.
They are employed by the firm previously known as Blackwater, a massive private military contracting firm founded by former US Navy SEAL Erik Prince. The firm was renamed Xe in 2009 and then Academi in 2011, trying to evade the infamy attached to its original name due to its massacres of civilians in US-occupied Iraq.
They are now coordinating the attacks by the fascist Right Sector militia, the Kiev regime’s National Guard, and groups of football hooligans that have led to hundreds of casualties across east Ukraine.
This information was communicated to the office of German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other top German officials on April 29
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/13/blac-m13.html
I hope those U.S. Mercenaries get their asses kicked and come home in a box.
Good riddance.
It would seem Putin's Chechen mercs have already been defeated, necesitating the Russians to fight their own war.
There will be no winners in this clusterfuck.
Your argument's been defeated time after time, yet you run away like a dog with the tail between your legs and repost the same trash over and over.
ObamaDepression - registered 10 weeks ago. Starting with and continuously posting anti-Russian propaganda, while praising news sources such as FOX for being fair and unbiased. Need I say more.
I actually had a Russian relative of mine tell me how he personally saw the Chechens training Right Sector when he visited Ukraine a few months ago.
He then went on a tirade about how the Chechens were under the control of the US and CIA.
He was totally unaware that the Chechens are one of the Taliban's main supporters in Afghanistan, and are frequently amongst the killed in Al Qaeda camps and occasionally amongst the Taliban.
And he had no explanation when I asked why he thought they were working with the US other than that he'd heard it on channel 1.
Bullets don't really seem to me to be a declaration of fidelity and devotion, and dying from them doesn't really seem to me to be a declaration of support.
And many Russians seem unwilling to recognize that they've caused their own problems with the Chechens, much like the US has with the Pakistanis.
I voted you up, because I'm completely aware of what you are describing. Russia did indeed make enemies with Chechens and Afghanis that at the time of war were sponsored and armed by the CIA.
Saddam's fiasco had to do with US giving him weapons to fight Russia and him turning right around and invading Kuwait.
USSR was nearly bankrupt under its own weight when in Afghanistan. Bin Laden was just becoming a figure in the Middle East - a rich kid with a grudge and, likewise, Western support. The implosion of the USSR made him and his followers actually believe the myth that their country was the graveyard of civilizations. So next they turned their guns on America.
Blowbacks left and right.
In Ukraine the neo-Nazi's that helped get rid of pro-Russian puppet nearly destroyed every western puppet as well, so the leaders were quickly executed following the coup. Still, Ukraine lost control. The Gaz Queen timoshenko lost to Chocolate King Poroshenko who's an open agent. He's a local oligarch, whose loyalty goes to the highest bidder.
Unintended consequences are inevitable.
So far the West had gained a marginally better leader in exchange for 3 territories, $5bn CIA money, $17bn IMF money, and $1bn US taxpayer cash. That is a piss poor deal. So, the US and the EU will be throwing more resources. Russia will play its game. So far it has seen nothing but gains. Going forward it looks the only country that will be a definite loser in this situation is the Ukraine. They're being manipulated by agenda setters on both sides into killing eachother.
I feel sorry for the Ukrainians - for every person killed in this conflict.
US and British mercs? Fuck'em! Fuck every side who's in it for the money!
AGREE 100%
>>>Timoshenko lost to Chocolate King Poroshenko
"Chocolate King" is a cutesy, misleading handle. The Poroshenkos, father and son, are Ukraine's "Drug and Prostitution Kings". And that's cool.
Saying that Poroshenko is the Chocolate King is like saying the Mafia owns restaurants.
I'm using nicknames given to them by the media. Everyone knows who those people are.
Your comprehension skills suck.
There has been more than enough informational post here that you should have got it that
there exist a small minority of Radicalized western/Saudi supported WAHABI sect extreme
radicals Chechen/Dagestan.
I alone have posted enough on this that if you cared for facts you could have researched
for yourself.
I suggest you should be at Kavkaz Center, not ZH.
Does your supervisor allow comic books?
Have you blown your nose in the last 15 minutes?
Does your agency provide ergonomic keyboards?
Have you passed a drug test in the last 3 months?
Are you FOTB?
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Before being transferred to the Ukraine, they must have been working with the "good" Al Qaeda in Syria. You know, the freedom fighter moderate Al Qaeda that Vichy DC is funding and training.
And former KGB Putin's RT wouldn't lie right?
As opposed to the verifies reports that Chechen mercs are fighting for Putin.
No,
They are adopting a new version of Shinto.
It is called Pinto.
In it Putin is God.
You might want to be careful with your Pinto.
Pinto's are known to explode when they are rear-ended.
And well...
Obama...
And well.
See?
There you go.
Be careful with that.
I guess no one remembers the Pinto's exploding gas tank...
I must be getting old.
Do you get paid when you respond to your own posts?
where can I sign up?
So how does this work? Do you all work for the same agency? Sit next to each other?
So glad you can club together here at ZH. You bring new meaning to Gresham's Law.
Did RT actually lift a report from the World Socialist Web Site and re-post it as if it were from a credible source?
So... there are at least 30,000,000 Ukrainians with cell phone cameras. Give us a picture.
So, you guys are saying that the WORLD SOCIALIST WEB SITE is a credible source?
Really?
Good luck with that.
There are at least 30 million Ukranians with cell phone cameras.
Is a photo too much to ask?
Then again, I am talking - mocking actually - people who presented a video THEY POSTED with a picture of missiles in the air while an explosion sounded and saying that THOSE PARTICULAR missiles (still in the air on camera during explosion) caused the explosion.
Wait!
Let me guess!
The missiles reached 88 MPH, right?
The only thing worse than propaganda is INCOMPETENT propaganda!
Johnsy
I mentioned that point in an earlier post, the explosion and the car alarms going off
at the same time as the missiles were in the air. n all of the videos the sound of the car
alarms is the only thing that is consistent, marry up the rest of the footage to the sound
of the car alarms, just sayin...
And yes i'm downed all the time.
Yes.
How would Johnny Cochrane have put it?
"If the missile's in the air you can't have flare!"
And that doesn't prove that the explosions were not caused by OTHER missiles.
But it does prove that we're being fed a propaganda piece.
LOL, join the club. I get redded enough on some threads so that I wonder why the Tylers don´t kick me out!
If red arrows can get you kicked off the porch, then WHY is MDB still around? Check yer premises.
Originally it was published in Germany by Reuters.
Fire Wolfowitz, Fire Brezinski, Fire Cheney (really), Cancel their fossilized policies, fire their supporters. Look carefully at dual citizens.
We are being lead to slaughter and global environmental disaster... see Paul Craig Roberts' latest guest post...
DANGER!
Border checkpoints closed to "ensure the murder and oppression of our Eastern citizens" more like it.
That's very likely. Closing the checkpoints won't make the millions of Russians who already live in Ukraine suddenly love their new coup leaders, which is the actual problem.
This is the thanks we get for liberating them from their elected President and Parliament?
negative interest rates mean the russians will not get paid
No Soup for you, NEXT!