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Visualizing The Allied Invasion of Normandy

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Via Stratfor,


On June 6, 1944, Allied forces from the United States, United Kingdom and Canada launched the largest seaborne invasion in history by landing nearly 160,000 troops on the beaches of Normandy in a single day. This opened the long-awaited second front in the war against Nazi Germany and started the chain of events that ended in the fall of Berlin in May 1945. D-Day was the longest day in that assault and a pivotal moment of the war. In the intervening period, amphibious assaults have been exceedingly rare. Were one to be carried out today, revolutionary shifts in technology and strategy would make a contemporary amphibious operation radically different.

The single most significant difference would stem from the introduction of precision-guided munitions. During the Normandy landings, German defenders used inaccurate artillery such as the 88 mm Flak gun to strike approaching Allied landing craft. A contemporary landing force would approach the beachhead in an amphibious landing vehicle such as the U.S. Assault Amphibious Vehicle, which moves at around 13 kilometers per hour (8 miles per hour). This would be vulnerable to anti-tank guided missiles fired from positions onshore. On D-Day, ships in the Allied invasion fleet were also able to come relatively close to shore to deploy landing craft. The deadly threat of anti-ship cruise missiles in modern warfare would force a modern fleet to remain farther out to sea, leaving amphibious vehicles even more exposed. Even the insertion of airborne troops farther inland, key to disrupting the enemy and holding chokepoints, is riskier given the advent of surface-to-air missiles, including man-portable air defense missiles, now widely available. Presently, no other nation can match U.S. capabilities in launching a major amphibious operation against entrenched opposition. Advances in defense capabilities, however, have left even the United States struggling to maintain amphibious landing as an option while remaining within tolerable risk parameters.

Regardless of technological advances, the art and science of amphibious landing remains indispensable to the U.S. global arsenal. Technology and strategy have shifted over time, but geography remains fixed. Populated littoral environments and strategic islands are still key points of incursion in almost any theater. As seen during the U.S. ground invasion of Iraq during the First Gulf War, there are alternatives to amphibious landings, including land routes, blockades and island hopping, but the United States will need to maintain amphibious capabilities in order to respond to both strategic and political circumstances in the future.


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Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:09 | 4831507 Omegaman2211
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Uh, ok.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:16 | 4831520 Skateboarder
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The difference between then and now is that people are 10x more retarded now.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:21 | 4831533 ACP
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Flip that over and it looks like the latin american allied invasion of the US.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:02 | 4831601 knukles
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How come I haven't heard of any big celebrations in DC by Happy Leader and His Stompy Foot Followers.
But then again, we have had enough of war with that Bergdahl (whatever his name is) who served so honorably and valiantly. (That's what Susan Rice said... just Google it, Bitchez)

Saving Private Bergdhal?

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:31 | 4831659 max2205
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Next war will be fought by robots video screens and joy sticks...

Only the poor civilians will get splattered

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:39 | 4831665 NoDebt
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Did you hear about the 90 year old WWII vet who disappeared from his nursing home (unannounced, because he knew nobody would let him go if he asked permission) and showed up at Normandy to meet up with his fellow veterans for the 70 year anniversary?

If there isn't a little piece of you that would consider doing that, you might want to spend some time reflecting on why not.  That's one badasas veteran to do that at age 90.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:45 | 4831673 COSMOS
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Kind of weird seeing the good guys become the bad guys as the USA is overthrowing a democratically elected govt and supporting Nazis who then Shell the East Ukrainians.  I think Eisenhower would be turning in his grave if he knew, especially the Founding Fathers of the USA.  What a shit stain of a country have we become to be so evil to support the killing of civillians for a profit margin for well connected corporations and kids of USA politicians ala Hunter Biden.  I know we did similar things in South and Central America back in the day also, I guess we can trace this stuff back to the creation of the Central Bank.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:14 | 4831889 palmereldritch
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All the Nazis and their creators have yet to be accounted for

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 01:22 | 4832036 palmereldritch
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Apparently that -1 suggests they are as close as this thread!

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:58 | 4832157 The Internation...
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Shut your kike hole you rotten jew.  Go pray about killing more goyim.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 10:05 | 4832273 svayambhu108
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A lot of the US troops drowned because of an error ... never touched the beach

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 10:59 | 4832336 Mr. Magoo
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Sadly a waste of lives time and money, here we are 70 years later and the nazis have established the 4th reich in the U.S.S.A

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:14 | 4832902 palmereldritch
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Member for 1 week and 3 days....

Goose stepping out from Stormfront for a change to spread the hate in return for a little more feudal federal fiat?

Your slanderous attempt at controlling the dialogue and shutting down free expression is readily apparent.  Take a hike scum.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:12 | 4831718 bonin006
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Here is a similar story, claimed to be true, and you'd never believe it is a commercial for a bank.   TC Bank - Dream Rangers:

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 04:32 | 4832101 Dr. Destructo
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"If there isn't a little piece of you that would consider doing that, you might want to spend some time reflecting on why not."

No need to reflect. WWII was a sham war meant to loot and pillage other nations for the benefit of the few. That man was part of that whether or not he was a victim or a willing participant. Many veterans are proud of their service, but that service wasn't toward the American people -it was for the corporations that are part of the MIC.

I'd rather spend time with my family than fellow veterans that fought in an exploitative war with me (GWOEverything), but to each their own.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 04:44 | 4832109 economics9698
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All I learned in the military was there really was discrimination and it was called affirmative action.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:30 | 4832548 Joe A
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The nazis back then couldn't stop him so for sure he wouldn't let a nursing home stop him.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:57 | 4831781 skeeterpi
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Skateboarder, if I could give you 100 up arrows I would.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 07:30 | 4832172 Uncle Remus
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You're too kind.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:18 | 4831524 HelluvaEngineer
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I think it was written by a "non-native English speaker."  I work in the same building with a lot of them.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 08:30 | 4832206 post turtle saver
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goddamn but that's the most useless article I've seen in a while...

current US doctrine is all about pre-positioned forces, air superiority, C4I/logistics, and stealth... hell, the last "conventional" war the US fought was Korea... which, oddly enough, was the last war where the US used WW2 era amphibious assault tactics to any real advantage...

maybe all Stratfor was trying to point out is that none of the D-Day stuff would work today... well, duh, no kidding, my watch says 2014 not 1944...

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:48 | 4832839 tonyw
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and since the US has giant oceans on either side, there is no chance any other country or collection of countries could invade.

No, porous border crossings don't count as in a war situation they would be mined, wired and have oill boxes to machine gun any that made it that far.

For an idea of what that is like watch the opening minutes of saving ryan.


And if no other country could invade then there is no pretence of "defence" it is all about attack.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:11 | 4831511 lakecity55
Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:16 | 4831519 HelluvaEngineer
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God bless those boys who were thrown into the meat grinder.  It never should have happened.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:24 | 4831540 NOTaREALmerican
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You mean the invasion or war in general?

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:39 | 4831574 disabledvet
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World war II was the least surprising war in history.

How it turned out was nothing but surprises.

So much for the rebuild after the Great Depression.

If your interested in history try Operation Citadel.  Easily the biggest mass slaughter in human history.

They say Hitler called off the attack after the Allies took Sicily.

That was the first "second front."

World War I was barely twenty years old.

I don't think World War II ended...more like "stopped."  Everyone was pretty much dead by 1945.

Apparently the worst thing to come of the peace was the Thirty Year mortgage.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:45 | 4831933 luckylogger
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What would the world be like if the USA had been alied with the germans in ww1?

It was a european war and we really had no business in it.....

Just imagine.... 

I think it would have been a much better world...

Hitler would have never come to power.... you can just go on and on......................

Anybody here from Germany have any thoughts?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 08:38 | 4832211 Wolferl
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It´s actually not even about the US being an ally of Germany. WW1 was pretty much over when the US decided to join in. (Spot the simularity with WW2?) Should have been ended a with tie and reasonable people from all sides could have come together to sort things out for peace. But the banker cartel decided that was not in their best interest so they made some stupid US Politicians send troops over to Europe to lay the foundation for the next major war. Those banker guys really know what´s best for their profits.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 01:02 | 4832017 Dingleberry
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WW1 and WW2 were another 30 years war, with a brief respite.

Actually, there were no surprises at all as to how WW2 turned out. Except for the kamikazes, it was a forgone conclusion. 

The US already had war plans drawn against the Japanese. They knew what and how they were going to defeat them. The only thing they did not plan for was suicide bombers.

Churchill wrote that he slept like a baby once the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on the US.  He knew the war was over from that point on. It was mathematical.

When the city of Pittsburgh ALONE produces several times the amount of steel than the 3 axis powers combined, there is no guessing the outcome.

Only the timing. 

Regardless, it took balls to hit a defended beach. Aside from a paradrop against a hard target, amphibious assualt against a hard target is the next worse thing for an attacker.

Which is why you have not (nor ever will not) see another amphib assault against a heavily defended beach. Ever.

The USMC has changed their M.O. from "amphib" to "epeditionary" for that very reason.


Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:18 | 4832137 Cumulus Nimbus
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I agree about  WWI and WWII being the same war seperated by 30 years. Disagree that the result was a foregone  conclusion. Britian did not really need to get involved but, rightly or wrongly we declared war on Germany. Let me say that again. WE DECLARED WAR ON GERMANY IN BOTH WWI AND WWII.The germans did not want to fight the UK and her empire. In fact Hitler admired and repected the British.

The only reason to fight Germany was to stop her becoming too powerful so that we could not hope to fight her in a later war. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if we had just stayed out.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 10:44 | 4832319 U4 eee aaa
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Same reason they went after Napoleon. Britain can't stand against a united Europe so they will attack anyone who tries to conquer the continent

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 08:52 | 4832215 post turtle saver
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I think your notion of "mass slaughter" for battlefield casualties is pretty low... the battle of Kursk was nothing compared to the battles of Leningrad, Berlin, Stalingrad, Kiev...

the US contribution was material, the Russian contribution was blood... not even the casualties in the Chinese Civil War can compare to what Russia had to endure in WW2... I try not to forget this when discussing the Russian people, anyone who can live through a combination of Stalin and WW2 is going to be one tough SOB

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:54 | 4831600 thatthingcanfly
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Work with me here:

If we Confederates had won at Gettysburg, and Lee had taken advantage of the clear shot at D.C. he would then have had, burned it to the ground, and accepted Lincoln's surrender on the steps of the smoldering hulk of the White House,

...there would have never been a widespread adoption of the ideology of American Exceptionalism as it currently exists. And, therefore, the "need" to intervene in foreign affairs would hever have been established as "normal."

Therefore, no Span-Am war.

And also therefore, no needless intervention in WWI by Woodrow Wilson (who never would have been elected), which, without U.S. intervention, would have ended in 1916, vice 1918, and would not have resulted in an unnecessarily punitive (on Germany) Treaty of Versailles.

And therefore, the probability of the rise to power of a German sociopath named Hilter would have been dropped to close to zero, rendering WWII a remote possibility.

Therefore no Cold War. No Korean War. No Vietnam. No funding of arms to Al Qaeada in Afghanistan to fight the Russians. No 1991 attack on Iraq. No 911. No Patriot Act. Etc.

We lost everything at Gettyysburg.


Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:57 | 4831604 knukles
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And den weda all had one toof each.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:04 | 4831617 Crisismode
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That was a really intelligent thing to say.




Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:09 | 4831715 TheMeatTrapper
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"And den weda all had one toof each."

It was common for Southern planters to send their children abroad to study. Many Southern families had dinner conversation in French to keep their language skills dusted off. 

You should read contemporary diaries. The command of the English language far surpassed what is accepted as English today. 

Winston County, Alabama stayed loyal to the Union - refusing to join the Confederacy. The Confederacy respected their decision and left them unmolested. The Confederacy also had a Creek General, General Stand Waitie; as the Confederacy intended to honor the treaties the Federal government routinely ignored. 

You should educate yourself. Seriously. 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 07:46 | 4832180 SmackDaddy
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Well, if it's any consolation, the south really turned the tide there in the 20th century.  Just look at the invasion of Detroit!

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:10 | 4831625 Uber Vandal
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Hitler was Austrian, not German.

He could have also have just as easily been taken in as art student and spent his life as a lesser known artist.

While the theory seems good on the surface, once one mole is whacked, another is ready to take its place.

We will never know what alternate Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Osama, Mugabe, Kim Jong, Saddam, Mao, or contrived boogeyman, is ready to take the spot of the mole that was whacked.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:26 | 4831637 Pure Evil
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Ah yes, what would life have been like if Al Gore had been elected?

Hmmmm.......what alternate reality indeed!

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:26 | 4831652 disabledvet
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How about "some guy no one has ever heard of."

Oh' wait...

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:10 | 4832480 Joenobody12
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Al Gore would have been compromised by the Israelis just the same. No matter who becomes the president, the God chosen ones are in control and there will be no peace until the Arab countries are broken up into tiny tribal domains and Iran wiped off the face of the earth.

You can change presidents but you cannot change Israeli paranoia.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:49 | 4831679 COSMOS
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Right on the money.  Every action across our borders has made things worse and had a destabilizing consequence.  That is why the founding fathers counseled against getting involved in the affairs of other nations.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:13 | 4831719 nonclaim
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[from the book of prepared statements for copy-and-paste activists]

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 22:07 | 4831802 TheReplacement
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Be that true or not, cosmos' posts are relevant and intelligent (even if I don't agree always).  You should try it.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:14 | 4831722 scraping_by
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No, the slaveholding aristocracy had its eyes on the Caribbean, specifically Cuba, as a place to spread the chattel slavery system and give all their sons and grandsons plantation seats. Not to mention all unorganized territory to the west and much if not all of Mexico. While they could sabotoge the national government and create gridlock in Congress (sound familiar?), they couldn't get a positive program of imperialism through the system.

And given the slaveholders' Anglophilia, they probably would have shipped troops just as fast as the Commonwealth nations when it came to general war in Europe. So, no, Gettysburg just resulted in the old myth that humans could be property drifting away in history. Which is what Jefferson and all the other slaveholding liberals said would happen.



Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:14 | 4832649 thatthingcanfly
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I'm not even going to dignify this gibberish with a response.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:23 | 4831734 Surging Chaos
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I don't have an ounce of Southern blood in my family, but seeing how things have unfolded I wish the CSA became a thing. It blows my mind how everyone and their mother thinks that it wasn't ok for the South to leave the US but it was perfectly kosher for the colonies to "secede" from Great Britain. I mean, what's the difference really, apart from the geography?

Lincoln was America's version of Caesar. Just like the Roman republic before it, our own republic was never the same after that fucker became president. Lincoln is without question the worst US president in history.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 01:40 | 4832045 Jam
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Where do you get the idea it was "kosher" for the colonies to secede?Maybe you mean "kosher" like the pickle between your legs

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:29 | 4831907 palmereldritch
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If the South had won then the European Central Bank sponsors would have won directly and explicitly unlike the slow march to Neofeudalism we walk today.

So what you're saying is you don't like your Thorazine on a slow drip

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:40 | 4831927 luckylogger
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If the queen had balls, she would be king..............

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:25 | 4832143 Cumulus Nimbus
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Totally agree about Lincoln. What a douchebag he was. Why was it not acceptable for the confederates to leave the union? His actions prove he was nothing more than a tyrant.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:19 | 4831529 deflator
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 I've been watching a lot of WWI and WWII stuff on the history channel lately and am kinda surprised at how little attention is placed on the strategic value gasoline and diesel fuel played in determining the outcome of WWII. Germany and Japans technology was superior but they did not have enough fuel to extend supply lines and crank out production like the U.S.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:37 | 4831557 Ignatius
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Also, what is rarely acknowledged in the US/West is the Soviet/Russian victories in the East/Stalingrad that turned the tide of the war.

The History Channel will NEVER give the real stories.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:42 | 4831577 deflator
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 One of the programs made it seem that Hitler and Stalin were allies. No reason was given as to why Hitler invaded Russia. My understanding was that Germany needed to get at the oilfields in Russian territory.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:54 | 4831598 disabledvet
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"Zee Undermunchen" dude.  If that doesn't clear it up try "Ze Fuhrer."


Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:44 | 4831761 nonclaim
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In short it was a non-aggression pact that both sides planned to violate later:

As for reasons, the Germans had the "vital space" idea as basis for the expansion; same as Italy and Japan. Russia, on its turn, just wanted to expand over the whole Europe and that plan has not changed one bit to date.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:43 | 4831671 LuciusGermanicus
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Real stories like the Lend-Lease?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 03:55 | 4832094 random999
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But will the history channel ever tell that Hitler broke free from the fiat and experienced 5 years of extreme economic progress before WW2 broke out?

While Draghis old classmate Paul Krugman was allowed to write our books of economics, who was it that wrote our books of history? Barack Osamas grandfather?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 09:03 | 4832227 BeetleBailey
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ever. Over the years, I've talked to BOTH Japanese and Russian WW2 vets...they all said the same thing; Russia attacking Manchuria - after Stalin shifting 3 million men across the country to do so - ended Japan's war.

The Ruskies attacked.....August 9th.....hmmmmm.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were irrelevant.....experiments....

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 09:01 | 4832223 BeetleBailey
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Rockefeller supplied the Nazi's with 500,000 gallons to blitz London.....look it up.

Bankers and billionaires run wars...

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:22 | 4831536 bpj
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If a real war broke out between the U.S. and a similarly armed opponent today, within an hour there would not be one manned aircraft in sky on either side. Manned fighters are a total joke against a missle capable of Mach 5 flight.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:50 | 4831589 disabledvet
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"The Americans surprised Saddam Hussein and his Generals when the Russians assured their Iraqi friends there would be no land invasion without first there being a sustained air campaign as there had been in Gulf War I.

Even the US Air force was surprised when the US Army made the first move relegating all other branches of service to a supporting role."

No problem with air superiority if you control the land underneath.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:22 | 4831537 HelluvaEngineer
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Why would anyone want France?  j/k

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:57 | 4831602 DYS
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The women, wine and cheese of course. 

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:23 | 4831538 NOTaREALmerican
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We do our invadin' with financial weapons of mass delusion now. 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 01:13 | 4832029 Oppressed In Ca...
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Banks instead of tanks......

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:26 | 4831541 ebworthen
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"Advances in defense capabilities, however, have left even the United States struggling to maintain amphibious landing as an option while remaining within tolerable risk parameters."

Which is why if there is really another World War, nukes will be involved. 

Played pool with an old Veteran (Korea/Vietnam era) who said as much:  "Sooner or later, somebody is going to use it.  It won't ever be like WWII again."

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:24 | 4832528 Joenobody12
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"Sooner or later, somebody is going to use it"

The black messiah at the black house will get us there in no time. He is trying very hard to stick his nose into places where it does not belong. In addition to try to bring missles to the door steps of Russia, he is taking side for no reason in South East Asia , inserting himself into the age old hatre between China and Japan. 

Not only he tried to uproot the US, he wants to destroy the world. There are psychopaths everywhere. Some shoot at innocnet people on campus or on the street, others have bigger dreams. 

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:30 | 4831555 Runs-With_Toast
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Many of them strolled up the beaches. In WW2 Russia destroyed most of the German divisions

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:37 | 4831563 q99x2
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The most dangerous photo

Because it shows the Queenie as fepresentative of the Fraud; that comes from the City of London, the fraud that pays for mercenaries,  the fraud that pays to bribe politicians around the world,  the fraud that destroys peoples and nations.

Long live WWII M'Fers. It still rages on, as strong as ever.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:59 | 4831606 knukles
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Looks like a whole buncha Mensas to me...
'Specially the guy with all the medals...

This is your brain on drugs
This is your freedom at risk

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:47 | 4832148 Jstanley011
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"Oh, boy. Are you my new driver?"

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:54 | 4832153 Disenchanted
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Driving Ms Crazee

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:33 | 4831567 franciscopendergrass
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Can storm the banks of the Potomac and attack the fascist regime in Washington?


Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:09 | 4831624 QQQBall
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I think you need a permit for that

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:35 | 4831568 bpj
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One thing never mentioned on Hisory channel or other media is the fact that the U.S. had the 50 cal bmg cartridge which through pure serendipity has the best aerodynamics of any cartridge ever made. Note that Bell X-1  was designed after the bullet. 

What happened was that every 5th bullet is a tracer, which is a hollowed out bullet with a pyrotechnic flare in the base. Making the tracer bullet lighter than the four bullets before and after. One would think that this would give a different flight path to the tracer versus the 4 heavier bullets but that was not the case. 50 cal tracer ammo was dead on, letting the gunner put the full force of the gun on target. Not so with the axis powers. Their tracer ammo took a radically different path than the untracer ammo, leading to terrible results when the gunner kept the tracers on target thereby by missing with the other 80% of the fired munitions.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:08 | 4831623 disabledvet
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MG-42 dude.  Just ask the poor bastards on Omaha Beach.

Russians destroyed all the German Army divisions? Bwhahaha. Tell that to Senator Bob Dole.

Hell...tell it to the Russians.  They paid for every inch of that real estate.

Interestingly....Germany is still Germany.


I blame Czeckloslovakia myself.  The Germans had no WunderTank before 1938.

After that came all sorts of "mass murder gadgetry."

Never underestimate the "Division of Applied Sciences."

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:39 | 4831573 Hobo Sapien
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" landing nearly 160,000 troops on the beaches of Normandy in a single day. "

As someone with a backround in environmental science, I have to wonder, where did all the poop go?

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:49 | 4831586 deflator
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 They didnt feed them well enough that they would need to...

Notice how slim everybody was in those WWII films?

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:09 | 4831880 Hobo Sapien
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+1 ah, that's right, forgot that I read "Currahee!" in 8th grade - the army was giving out benzedrine like it was M&M's.

Better fighting through chemistry.

"Jacob's Ladder", coming to a police force near you.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:36 | 4832697 Duke Dog
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Right down their legs.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 19:44 | 4831582 SilverIsMoney
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It's so sad to think none of them really needed to die but instead we lost over 10k for a War that never needed to be fought. Then when you consider the millions upon millions of Russians who died in the Eastern Front... it's a miracle humanity made it out alive.


I just hope and pray nothing like this ever happens again because the next time around it will be 160million invading and 10milion dying all for some broken fucking currency system.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:12 | 4831630 disabledvet
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The US Marines wore teeth around their necks and used skulls as candle holders.  What was the question again?

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:02 | 4831609 Malachi Constant
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No D-Day celebration would be complete without this marriage of Saving Private Ryan to appropriately titled Sheep by Pink Floyd:

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:51 | 4832150 Sheikh Djibouti
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That was an interesting sync.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:06 | 4831611 QQQBall
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After Pearl Harbor, Barry Obomber would have been heard saying - "its true USSA ships suffered some modest damage and in the next couple of months I will be  meeting with out allies to discuss options including STRONG sanctions! The Japanese have to understand that there are consequences"

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:15 | 4831633 disabledvet
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(excellent speech Mr President. Your best ever.)

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 08:58 | 4832219 BeetleBailey
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get back on your meds.....stat

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:35 | 4831660 Black-Man
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88mm gun was used as an anti-tank weapon. I would hardly call it inaccurate.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:52 | 4831682 NoWayJose
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Thousands of Allied aircraft were shot down by this inaccurate weapon. It also almost won North Africa for Rommel and crunched another few thousand Russian tanks. Inaccurate is only an accurate statement versus a modern heat-seaking or laser-guided missile.

Because modern weapons no longer 'miss', we will not likely see any major land battles as long as one side has air superiority and sufficient supplies.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:03 | 4831700 logicalman
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Hence asymmetical warfare.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:37 | 4831920 Buckaroo Banzai
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As a direct fire weapon in an antitank or AA role it was quite accurate. As an indirect fire weapon it was most likely less accurate as that is not what it was designed for.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 20:42 | 4831670 My Days Are Get...
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I was sent an image by a friend this afternoon:

Several hundred persons from the UK, together with about 500 local residents, silhouetted the profiles of 9,000 soldiers fallen on the  beaches of Normandy some 70 years ago.

It seems that no one cares any more.  I guess if you are lucky enough not to have been directly or indirectly impacted bythe carnage, then, so what - life is good.

45 years ago, I served with the 2d Brigade 101st Airborne in Vietnam.  It is true that we not engaged in a do or die battle to defeat Satan.  But, we were do or die for us and the flag and our comrades in arms.

Ok, our losses in May 1969 pale in comparison to Normandy - Several hundred dead on Hamburger Hill and and a greater number simultaneously engaged in the Battle for Tam Ky (reporting of the engagement suppressed).

There are some ZH readers who have empty lives - if you are spending more than a couple of hours a day reading the Internet, then you have nothing that really interests you. 


So, for all of you swinging dicks out there - 42 years and younger - why not enlist in an infantry unit in the Army or the Marines - if you can take the heat and survive in body and mind - you might redeem yourself in your own eyes and feel worth to makes something out of your life. 

If there is another more compelling cause - then go for it.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:06 | 4831709 NoWayJose
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Thank you for your service. I was at the Women's College World Series where they had a night to honor soldiers, police, firefighters, etc. It was a great thing to see and especially nice to see the crowd acknowledge the honorees. It gave me hope.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:07 | 4831712 logicalman
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1. Those soldiers didn't fall, they were pushed.

2. Fighting for a flag is just plain dumb.

3.I don't think joining the Marines enlarges your penis.

4. If you feel that invading other countries is a way of 'redeeming yourself' there's something wrong with you.



Sat, 06/07/2014 - 00:14 | 4831967 nightshiftsucks
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Sorry but I just got to say it, you are a fucking idiot.Why would I want to go fight in some bullshit fucked up war that a bunch of corrupt politicians started.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 10:38 | 4832313 sleigher
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Said the same thing my brother when I turned 18 and he was yelling at me about selective service.  I swore that day that if an enemy came to our shores I would be first in line to fight and defend our land.  Tearing villagers lives apart in some desert/jungle is not what I had envisioned as honorable service to my country.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 05:49 | 4832130 Cumulus Nimbus
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And those that died at hamburger hill, how did they make something of their lives? Other than a becoming a rotting corpse for no good reason?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 05:59 | 4832132 Cumulus Nimbus
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While we're at it. How about the 4500 that died in Iraq for a lie? How is their dick swinging these days?

One thing is for sure. While there are useful idiots like you out there who think that being a soldier somehow makes them more of a man, there will always be plenty of cannon fodder for the elites to use in their power games.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 22:25 | 4835817 Tzanchan
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The troopers sent to Iraq on a lie were volunteers; they signed on voluntarily. They just got the $#!t kicked out of them by war criminals like W, Cheney, Condi, Wolfowitz,

The troopers sent to Vietnam were ddraftees, that's why the PEOPLE got it ended. The sacrifice made in Vietnam spread to every community in the US; Iraq and Afgan Vets just got re-re-re sent and now we have 200,000 PTSD'ed and horribly wounded people to be put on "welfare" with treatment for the next 65 years,  with no lobby, who get cornholed by everybody especially Chicken Hawks like Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz and Parco Polo/Rubio...

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 22:24 | 4835818 Tzanchan
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The troopers sent to Iraq on a lie were volunteers; they signed on voluntarily. They just got the $#!t kicked out of them by war criminals like W, Cheney, Condi, Wolfowitz,

The troopers sent to Vietnam were ddraftees, that's why the PEOPLE got it ended. The sacrifice made in Vietnam spread to every community in the US; Iraq and Afgan Vets just got re-re-re sent and now we have 200,000 PTSD'ed and horribly wounded people to be put on "welfare" with treatment for the next 65 years,  with no lobby, who get cornholed by everybody especially Chicken Hawks like Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz and Parco Polo/Rubio...

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:01 | 4831696 logicalman
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All wars are bankers wars.

Celebration is inappropriate.

WW1 and WW2 cost my family dearly.

War is just proof of human failure.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:01 | 4831697 kchrisc
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Something cool, and my personal brush with history: This picture, one from a series that we have all seen, is of my grandfather coming ashore. He is on the left holding the rifle.

He recorded an audio history of the fact before he pasted a couple of years ago.


The Pic:

The pic from his obit:

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:08 | 4831713 logicalman
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I bet he'd rather have been somewhere else.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:26 | 4831905 kchrisc
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Yeah, he said it was surreal, as are the pics.

They were in the 3rd-ish wave and even though much of the gunfire had dissipated, they were still being shot at and they are walking TOWARD the direction the shots are coming from. Unlike the previous waves, they could not return fire, as "friendlies" were up and mixed in with the shooters. So they just had to walk in as if on a stroll in a park or something.

He said the pictures don't capture the fear and horror, as there were wounded and bodies from the prior waves all around them on the beach.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 07:05 | 4832164 Jstanley011
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With the Old Breed captures them, I'd imagine, about as much as they can be captured by just reading about combat.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:12 | 4831887 spacecadet
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He looks pretty much the same, aged well

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:08 | 4832635 pupdog1
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Whomever downvoted this can come over to my house and kiss my ass.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 21:55 | 4831779 cape_royds
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Good for people in the Allied countries to remember "Operation Overlord," as long as we don't forget "Operation Bagration," which was the corresponding and complementary big summer 1944 offensive by the USSR. The anniversary date for Bagration will be on June 22.

Operation Bagration is a campaign often named after its outcome, i.e. "The Destruction of Army Group Centre."

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 01:09 | 4832025 Oppressed In Ca...
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If Overlord had never happened, the Russians would have still ground Germany into dust.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 06:57 | 4832156 Jstanley011
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Thanks to American boots and trucks..

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 22:25 | 4831785 jackstraw001
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I visited the American Cemetery at Normandy in April and it is truly hallowed ground. I never could have fully appreciated the significance of the Normandy invasion, or the cost the Allies incurred, without visiting it. What you can't really appreciate from pictures is the 300yd marathon those guys had to run between the edge of the water and the bottom of the hills below the German artillery. I kept imagining the first 20 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan". Those guys made the ultimate sacrifice so guys like us can have opinions and seem clever on websites like this. Like the saying goes, if you can read, thank a teacher -- if you can read English, thank a veteran.

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 22:57 | 4831866 mvsjcl
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I'll save my thanks for after the soldiers have captured every bank and brought every bankster into a real court of justice.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:16 | 4833005 Pie rre
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I appreciate anyones sacrifice for whatever reason.  It's interesting though to look at the demographics of lets say the eastern half of the state of Washington and one might note the percentage of people of German heritage that live there and the fact that even tho the state leans democrat that half is republican.  I just find that interesting.  I have no leanings and just toss it out for your consideration.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:22 | 4833019 Analyse2
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You had the chance to visit the Memorial.

The French do have faults, but they understand symbols and American representatives are invited every year in France for the remembering of D-Day June 6, 1944.

On the other hand, the 5,000 sailors of the French Navy who died for US Independence at the battle of the Chesapeake are still waiting for their Memorial in Washington

And I have never heard that French representatives were formally invited to the celebrations of the Yorktown victory (where half of the fighters were French soldiers led by the Comte de Rochambeau), or at the 4th of July celebrations …

Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:21 | 4831899 logicalman
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Rich old men sending poor young men to their deaths, for profit.

Noble as fuck, IMHO


Fri, 06/06/2014 - 23:40 | 4831925 Pie rre
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The article leaves out the part where the Germans sunk poles in the tidelands when the tide was out so the landing crafts couldn't get close enough to deploy their vehicles and posted machine guns at the left and right of the beach to mow down our troops. Yes, it was excellent planning on the allieds behalf.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 18:23 | 4838756 optimator
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The Allied staffs launched 14000 aerial sorties on D-Day compared to the Germans 8 or 10 sorties, two of which attacked the actual beachhead.  All the recon parties, all the aerial photography, all in input from the French Resistance and what did they miss?  The Bocage, Hedgerows that stopped slowed them to a crawl and led to high casualties.  

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 00:11 | 4831962 Flakmeister
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One of the many remarkable things about D-Day was the number of men who went into combat for the first time....

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 00:18 | 4831973 edifice
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My grandfather was in the other theatre... He was one of the Marines fighting at Guadalcanal. Those Filipinos were brutal... I have old photographs of them holding severed Japanese Imperial Army soldier's heads, like trophies.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 01:56 | 4832055 Quantum Nucleonics
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The only relavent modern amphibious invasion was the Brits taking back the Falklands. They didn't put boots on the sand till they had eliminated most of Argentina's air and naval power, and landed far from Argentine ground forces, limited as they were. Had Argentina's air force been more sophisticated, the landings might not have gone as swimmingly.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 03:43 | 4832090 Overdrawn
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My dad was sent there to fight when he was 18 years old, what I want to know is why our Government's are now using taxpayers money to fund Nazi's in the Ukraine.  


It is an insult to every man, women and child who were forced to endure the horrors of WW2.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 08:23 | 4832202 sam site
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 You probably won't believe this but our Jesuit rulers arranged a

massacre of protestant units on Omaha Bch leaving them

unprotected to german machines guns according to Jesuit

researcher Eric Jon Phelps.


They also deliberately ordered heavily german protestant cities

to be fire bombed like Dresden and Hamburg along with the

killing of non-catholic EU jews in the 2nd biggest Inquisition

known as WW2.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 08:54 | 4832217 BeetleBailey
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You're right...I don't believe you.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 09:10 | 4832233 Stuck on Zero
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"Regardless of technological advances, the art and science of amphibious landing remains indispensable to the U.S. global arsenal."

It's just like the U.S. military to be prepared to fight 70 year old battles. 


Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:11 | 4832345 johngerard
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D-Day was a CIA false flag attack. Can't you see that?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:32 | 4832562 Joe A
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Business Insider had a headline saying something like that this attack turned the tide in the war for the Allies. No disrespecting what these men did in Normandy but WWII was won in Russia.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:54 | 4833088 bilejones
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Paul Craig Roberts puts all this Bullshit in perspective

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