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The Death And Decay Of Detroit, As Seen From The Streets

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With the stock market hitting record highs day after day, it is easy to move on and forget that one of American's once premier cities, Detroit, has been bankrupt for nearly a year. But out of mind doesn't mean out of sight, especially now that Google has launched its street view Time Machine, which provides for 7 years worth of street images, showing the time shift of the tumultuous period period starting in 2007. One blogger who decided to take this time lapse data and apply it to the city of Detroit is GooBing Detroit who, as the following time-lapse photos demonstrate, has captured Detoit's unprecedented slow-motion collapse into death and decay in what is the closest we have to "real time."

Perhaps what is most stunning about the following series of photos is not the ultimate fate of the bankrupt city, but how quickly a once vibrant metropolis has succumbed to blight and sheer desperation.

Hopefully not coming to a street near you.

All photos from the Goobingdetroit tumblr depict various areas and streets in Detroit, then and now.

2009

2011

2013

Montlieu between Gilbo and French, City Airport Neighborhood. Top to bottom Google streetview circa 2009, 2011 and 2013.

 

2007

2009

2011

July 2013

September 2013

Chene between Palmer and Ferry. 15 of the 20 properties on this block have been, or are subject to, tax foreclosure. Looked like a nice bakery.

 

2009

2013

Healy Street north of Hamtramck

 

2009

2011

2013- July

2013 - August

Exeter between 7 Mile and Penrose, Northern Detroit.


Brightmoor neighborhood. 

 

Around 7 Mile, West Side

 


Northwest, near Grand River

 

West Golden Gate, Detroit

 

Southwest Detroit

 

East side, near Alter Road

 

Patton Street, NW Detroit 

Feel like you can kind of see how this scene unfolded:

 

In the top photo, the tree is blocking the view of that yellow house in the middle — that house isn’t in great shape, but it’s ok. The house to the left has neatly trimmed hedges and a chair on the porch. The house on the right has been gutted by fire.

 

I imagine that middle house - since it’s been demo’d by 2012 - caught on fire and caused the further damage to the house at the right. Whoever had been living in the nicely maintained house on the left, moved out, and that house was gutted.

 

In the last photo — with the nicely maintained house farthest to the right — you see another nice house on the left, with a boarded up, but fairly stable, house in the middle. By 2012, both nice houses are gutted, as is the boarded up one in the middle.

 

Springwells Village

 

Near City Airport. Wonder why they didn’t take down the one next door while they were at it…

 

From top to bottom: 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013. Hickory Street between Manning and Pinewood, northeast Detroit.

 

Of the 12,093 properties in this Detroit neighborhood, 1,037 are owned by the City of Detroit, mostly due to tax foreclosure. Another ~4,500 are either subject to tax foreclosure right now, or will be in the next year or two.

 

Eastwood between Queen and MacCray, Northwest Detroit. Just east of Osborn, in “Burbank”… if anyone actually calls it that.  Of the 34 properties on this block, 24 have been tax foreclosed, 13 are at risk of foreclosure, and precisely 1 property is in good tax standing.

 

Corner of Thaddeus and S. Leigh Street, Southwest Detroit. That’s a lotta washing machines…

 

Hazelridge between Celestine and MacCray, Northeast Detroit

This block is incredible. Still pretty dense with housing, but only one of them is occupied. If you go a block to the west, the housing stock changes to brick and the neighborhood looks pretty stable.

 

The New York Times visited this block during the Motor City Mapping survey:

 

"Blight, as Karl Baker, one Detroit resident, has seen, tends to spread. Along his block of Hazelridge Street on the East Side, he is the only remaining tenant. “Everyone went bye-bye,” Mr. Baker said the other day as he walked up the center of the silent street to get to his house since no sidewalks had been shoveled.

 

Most of the houses nearby are standing but abandoned, and visitors have clearly passed through — empty liquor bottles lie along debris-covered floors near broken windows and doors, every memory of a metal appliance or gutter seems to be gone from some of the homes, and two old couches that were dumped along a lawn are now blanketed by a thick layer of snow.

 

The last neighbor left six months ago, he said, and the single streetlight overhead has not worked for months. “I love the quiet, but if something went wrong, the city isn’t going to come,” Mr. Baker said. “They don’t do anything.”

 

Hoyt between Liberal and Pinewood, Northeast Detroit

 

Arndt between Elmwood and Ellery, East Side, Detroit

Lady waving to the street view car in the first image, c. 2009. Nearby the Heidelberg Project, and in the style, though not sure if a Tyree or not.

 

 

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Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:29 | 4832367 COSMOS
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Its a cancer that is spreading throughout America

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:30 | 4832372 RevRex
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All the big Republican cities are the same, because "both parties are the same", right LiberTARDian voters?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:37 | 4832384 sessinpo
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RevRex     All the big Republican cities are the same, because "both parties are the same", right LiberTARDian voters?

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Detroit is Republican? Odd. Detroit has had a Democrat Mayor since 1962.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:42 | 4832396 RevRex
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Sarcasm escapes you.

 

Notice how cowardly the LiberTARDian down arrowers are who keep repeating the Socialist Semite Democrat Media election year propaganda that "both parties are the same"

 

 

Not how none of the sniveling cowards can name one big city destroyed by Republicans.

 

What a bunch of sniveling worms and cowards.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:48 | 4832418 Anusocracy
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The Repugnanturds are busy focusing on destroying countries.

They're pretty much done destroying any freedoms.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:51 | 4832431 Anusocracy
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As an aside, anybody want to speculate on why they somewhat defend the 2nd Amendment?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 11:58 | 4832440 TBT or not TBT
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The "Republic" part of "Republican", specifically the republic defined in our founding documents, designed to prevent the re-development of tyranny on the continent.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:02 | 4832458 McMolotov
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"A republic, if you can keep it." —Ben Franklin

Epic fail in keeping it.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:07 | 4832471 nope-1004
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There is obviously no oil in Detroit.  "Humanitarian Aid", I think the govvy has called it, only goes to resource rich nations that the bankers can get their claws into.  Detroit has nothing and will be left to rot.

 

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:29 | 4832539 SilverIsKing
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Well that does it. There's no way I'm going to use Bing as my wedding photographer. I'm going with Google.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:43 | 4832588 Manthong
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They ought to be dropping all of the surplus Mexicans off there.

If they are worth keeping in the country they will do something with all of the $1.00 houses.

It will also be a good market for all the warehoused copper as the houses that are left are all stripped of plumbing and electric.

Either that or it might end up being new China.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:05 | 4832626 Cathartes Aura
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the currently named "Chinese" are indeed being encouraged to "fire sale" up Detroit, and there has been talk of bringing whole "Chinese" businesses to the area, "revitalising" the hub. . .

anyone truly paying attention will understand that "nation-all" name tags work swell when raising up the live-stock - but aren't really needed when it's time to cull.

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:58 | 4832753 knukles
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Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:27 | 4832794 Abi Normal
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Not even the fire hydrant survived in the Thaddeus Road series, geesh...gives new meaning to 'back to nature', eh?

Fuctard liberals and unions did this crap, I do blame them for Detroit 100%...ignorant fools they are.  Also NAFTA, CAFTA, etc...they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:53 | 4832853 Anusocracy
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That was taken by the gleaners.

The first group of hunter-gatherers took the aluminum siding.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:07 | 4832891 Shocker
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More cities may be on the same path, if the Economic Job Picture doesn't change

Layoff / Closing List: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

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Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:17 | 4832908 TeamDepends
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Look at Agenda 21 go!  Lean Forward/Bend Over citizen!

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:26 | 4832926 mjcOH1
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"Its a cancer that is spreading throughout America"

 

See - hope and change.   Change is good, right?   And you can always hope the crack heads squatting next door don't burn your house too.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:20 | 4833135 J S Bach
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The main cause for this decay can be summed up in one word -- "demographics".

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 18:51 | 4833275 knukles
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Early Detroit:  We have such a quiet neighborhood
Middle Detroit:  Hope them fucking rioters stay in their own shithole, let it burn
Modern Detroit:  They have such quiet neighborhoods

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 22:52 | 4833625 Boris Alatovkrap
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Is obvious, no!? House is better on Google, not Bing. Microsoft is suck!

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 00:18 | 4833723 Richard Chesler
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To be certain, hope and change look much better in Obion propaganda.

 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 00:39 | 4833742 Manthong
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I just take comfort in thinking that it is likely the Fed that holds the paper on all of those Bing houses.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 00:47 | 4833755 gh0atrider
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fonestar and gh0atrider be all up in yo hood and shite, slangin' bitcoins and makin' moves on you goldbug turf.

 

 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 06:36 | 4833912 new game
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maybe too many cities like jc penny stores..

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 10:30 | 4834082 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Everyone blames this... and that... race, politics, economics, blah, blah, blah... but Detroit can be summed up in just two words: "American Decline"

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 12:30 | 4834312 HulkHogan
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This is my first time checking in to ZH for awhile. These pictures made me cry (seriously). This is happening everywhere. A previous comment said that this decay only happens in Blue States and Blue Cities. Wrong! I live in a very red state. Blue and Red cities alike are going through this. We are sitting right in the middle of a big decline and nobody knows how to fix it, besides fixing the numbers, which .gov is taking care of. 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 14:37 | 4834596 Lore
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Hulk - Good post. ZHers are too intelligent to keep resurrecting the simplistic, ignorant and misleading "Left versus right" paradigm. This boils down to MISALLOCATION AND DESTRUCTION OF CAPITAL by CONTROL FREAKS (PSYCHOPATHS, LITERALLY) IN BANKING AND BIG GOVERNMENT.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 02:42 | 4836279 Bloody Muppet
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It's part and parcel of bureaucratic rulers who execute their authority to use regulation and political practice. They command and dominate all direction so that the existing, existential regime keeps its executive supremacy and influences jurisdiction whilst Washington pretends to show restraint, but actually uses the rule of law and statecraft to sway regimentation.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 05:28 | 4836375 Lore
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And colourless green ideas continue to sleep furiously.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 22:49 | 4833621 SAT 800
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Looks exactly like 98th. AVenue in Oakland, Calif. where I lived when in High School. The whole descent into ruined trash went along in perfect synchronism with the wave of "African Americans" moving in; probably just a co-incidence. Makes me kind of homesick. Lot's of empty lots to play stickball in; if you didn't get shot walking down to the corner.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 23:21 | 4833662 algol_dog
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Ha! I knew that area too, and yes it looks every bit like that. Every major city has its f'd up areas though.

The end for Detroit came after MC-5 broke up. It was the beginning of the end -

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 01:45 | 4833806 gh0atrider
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The end for Detroit came after MC-5 broke up. It was the beginning of the end -

You gotta kick out the jams.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 12:26 | 4837326 dontgoforit
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40,000 years of funk.  If your DNA says you don't need a house to live in, you don't need a house to live in.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:15 | 4832905 NuckingFuts
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Detroit Rock City!

Literally

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 07:25 | 4833924 Squid-puppets a...
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Nice Kiss reference.

Actually, this actually quite upsets me. and i dont give a shit about Detroit

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 20:33 | 4833417 ImReady
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re-hypothecation at its finest! 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 11:12 | 4834157 Kirk2NCC1701
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"We buy when there's blood in the streets.  And we can help with that too." - Rothschilds

"We buy when there's unemployment and trash in the streets.  And we can help with that too." - China

p.s. A good friend of mine is currently selling his properties to the Chinese.  The city is in a good strategic location (stuff coming from and going to Canada).  Plus GM's
"woes" are ripe for a Chinese takeover also.  GM went from having huge market share in China, to being vulnerable for a buyout.  Ah, how fleeting "fortune" is, when the conquerors are themselves conquered, and their city bought for pennies on the fiat dollar.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 14:40 | 4834601 Lore
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I don't think the Chinese want GM. Travel around Asia and you see plenty of other brands. My guess is that GM will suck the government teat until there's nothing left to suck, and then just sort of disintegrate.  Prime dealer lots will then get cherrypicked by other manufacturers.  You will not see Chinese taking most American cast-offs. They're too proud for that.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 00:29 | 4836143 neidermeyer
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The Chinese LOVE Buick and Hummer ... they'll buy GM as an entry to the USA markets...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 14:33 | 4836165 Lore
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It must be different in your area. In Vancouver, young Chinese lean toward Lexus, Mercedes, BMW and Acura.  Hummer symbolizes American decadence.  Whoever you saw in a Hummer probably was NOT Chinese. 

Working class China is the fastest growing market for most major brands, including GM, which opened another plant recently in the south.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 23:24 | 4835993 Lord Koos
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There were never any good intentions, just lots of kool-aid.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 04:48 | 4836346 Redhotfill
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Actually the photos look to me like lots of ARSON to collect INSURANCE $$$!?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:59 | 4832754 Spitzer
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I recall reading articles in 2008 about Canadians buying up houses there in Detroit. Figured the bottom was in. LOL

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:14 | 4832778 Miles Ahead
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Some clown above said

"Note how none of the sniveling cowards can name one big city destroyed by Republicans.".

1).  Washington, DC

2).  Baghdad

The list is endless...  especially when you consider that most Republican "Cities" are actually Trailer Parks...

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:31 | 4832811 Abi Normal
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Miles Away...

 

LOL, both parties ruined those cities...what an ignorant post, but you keep drinking that kool aid friend.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:46 | 4832838 Miles Ahead
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Well, then that goes to the original claim that both parties are the same.  And #2, if Repubs are equally culpable, then my answer is correct - Repubs destroyed them (too).

BTW, I don't talk about the D--- because I can't even stand to type that word.  At least I can type Repubs.  They're assholes true, but I at least hand it to them for not being afraid to SHOW IT!   The D---- well, they pretend they're the good guys.

So... what fuckin' Kool-Aid do I drink now?  I don't even live in the US so I am "Miles Away" (kilometers actually, but I figured that would throw you) and there's no Kool Aid here or all our women would look like your WalMart chicks...

Thanks.  It was a great post, once again.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 06:42 | 4833917 new game
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america is a cultureless melted pot of the best that descended into the worst via the rabbit theory without enuf predators...

free checks with no balances:)

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 10:30 | 4834083 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Sun, 06/08/2014 - 11:21 | 4834173 Kirk2NCC1701
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I know some of those Canadians.  They are looking to "divest" many or all of their properties to others (the Chinese) who are willing to buy for even less.  Big Money is buying up parts of Inner Cities at bargain prices, gentrifying it and pushing out its poor (black) populace.  Darwinism, baby.

Suspect that people won't recognize Detroit in 10-20 hears, after the Chinese have taken over the RE and GM -- if the country survives the coming Financial Reset.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 18:54 | 4835178 Casey Stengel
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I was on a bus in Beijing and a guy standing next to me wanted to practice his English. He started talking about buying houses in Detroit, and did I think it was a good idea. I asked him if he had a concealed carry permit.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:34 | 4832658 AssFire
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The naggers are turning it into Africa soon the wheel and written language won't exist.

Latino Rio like slums are only slightly better. We are so fucked- just how the government wants: loaded up on dependent illiterates.

I am beginning to think maybe Russia might be the only place to be- Oswald Spengler was dead on with his predictions.

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:47 | 4832728 GooseShtepping Moron
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+1 for the Spengler reference. A much overlooked intellect indeed.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:13 | 4832779 I MISS KUDLOW
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this is amazing footage thanks zh

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:18 | 4833011 Headbanger
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AssFire... What a moniker, but I should talk..

Also thanks for the Spengler reminder as I forgot about his work which I read some 40 plus years ago as an undergrad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Spengler

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 18:21 | 4835098 stormsailor
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the decline of the west,  the only book that was never checked out of the citadel library in the history of the school.  according to pat conroy in his book, the lords of discipline.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:06 | 4832766 Miles Ahead
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Yes you are so fucked (up too) but hey... call it karma.  It ain't like they swam over Ape.  And the wheel and written language will continue to exist and thrive in Africa when your sorry ass is long gone.  Have fun in Russia - if they'll have you.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:05 | 4832887 balanced
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I agree with your sentiment, but to be fair, not much thrives in Africa these days other than warlords and international companies which exploit it's resources. Most of the people are beautiful but horribly oppressed, although that could be said about anywhere I suppose.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:48 | 4832963 Miles Ahead
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Very true, but many here will look at the present state of Africa and attribute it to the inherent inferiority of the races.  Just as they are doing regarding Detroit.  No thought given to the European Colonialism and it's consequences.  But of course no thought can be given because most of these are of the unread.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:30 | 4833028 daveO
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Shelley vs. Kraemer, 1947, started the the decline of Detoilet. It took the 1967 riots to completely lock in it's fate. May as well call it reverse Colonialism, where the gov. takes from the real taxpayers and gives it to their dependent, voting class. A strip mining of neighborhoods, forcing the taxpayers to the 'burbs. S vs K had four 'Who'-ish lawyers arguing for the gov. My, how the money changers have profited from this strip mining since FDR. 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:17 | 4833131 ohBehave
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It's hard to think of a single population or nation that has not been utterly mugged by invaders at some point.   Can't blame everything on colonialism.

 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 09:52 | 4834032 Terminus C
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Where do these "Warlords" get their weapons?  They certainly don't manufacture their own.  What do they trade for weapons?  And why might the answer to the first two questions answer prety much evwerything about why Africa is a fucked up place?

This is not about race... this is about intentional policy, same with Detroit.

 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 17:29 | 4834980 Lore
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Interesting that your post gets voted down.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 20:08 | 4833383 DFCtomm
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How many years will be required to pass, now that they've driven out most Europeans, before they once again become responsible for their own fates?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 23:07 | 4833647 SAT 800
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You seem to be of the "unread". What was the actual consequence of Colonialism? You have no idea. All the progress and organization and standard of living and infrastructure that was left for them when the British and French left has been turned into broken, burned down crap. you're a fool.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 09:57 | 4834041 Terminus C
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You are the fool if you believe the only legacy of imperialism is infrastructure.  It certainly was one of the positive legacies but to suggest it was the only shows narrow minded, goals seeking "analysis".

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:28 | 4839831 Kobe Beef
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@Miles Ahead: the consequences of European Colonialism are whatever literacy and infrastructure remain among the hominids who subsist there. Read primary accounts of what explorers found among homo Africanus and you will know the Noble Savage is a myth. Since you're not bright, simply google Burton, Speke, Livingstone.

Only Americans would be naive and idealistic enough to believe that placing these genes in a different country and subsidizing them with massive amounts of welfare would lead to different outcomes.

Rhodesia:Zimbabwe::Detroit: X

Solve for x, you disingeneous POS.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 23:04 | 4833642 SAT 800
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"Sentiments" are emotional states. you don't "agree with them" because they have no content. He's a typical knee jerk liberal, who got taken in by the "we're all equal propaganda". Africa is africa because it's full of Africans; period. Everyone who's ever spent any time there comes to the same conclusion; no other conclusion is possibl.e.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 19:23 | 4835258 Squid-puppets a...
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i like the term 'the unread'

maybe HBO should make a show 'the walking unread'

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:36 | 4832821 verum quod lies
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Detroit:

90%+ white = "Paris of the West"

90%+ black = "Mogadishu of the West"

Third world people, third world city, country, etc. ... It's not so hard to figure out and it has little to do with political party as they tend to be a symptom not the root cause. The root cause are people and the parasites there now are not like the ones that built it. So goes Detroit, so goes California, so goes ... so goes the country one piece at a time.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:00 | 4832877 Miles Ahead
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Hello?? Paris is ALREADY in the West, Einstein.

Detroit was hardly Paris of the West.  Are you fuckin' out of your mind?  Where was the art? The culture? The food?  The Jazz?  Notre Dame de Paris, the Louvre, the Arc de Triomphe .... The Eiffel tower?  Oh, that's right, you're counting Motown, Aretha Franklin, and Tiger Stadium.  I see the resemblance. 

You tell me, who took the Auto companies away and other industries?  The richest city in the world per capita, and the poor folks took it down.  Where they headed next, Monaco?  Or who let the Big Three descend to producing crappy products? Oh yeah, The Unions.  And of course the Blacks started and managed all that.  And the Communists. But Communists are white.

Look kids, it's Real America.  It was in the cards.  Destiny.  Don't get fooled by the period after WWII.  That was an... what's that word..... oh, yeah... anomaly.  Cleanest dirty shirt.   Rather think USA 1929...  it was interrupted.  But give it time.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:20 | 4832912 balanced
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It's "Real America"? You don't even live in the country you dumb ass. "Think 1929?" This country has been around for over 200 years, yet you say that it can be defined by the events of a single year? Don't get me wrong, it's all corruption now, but if what you are saying has ANY validity, then explain to me why does America continue to be flooded with more and more immigrants every year? And all of those places in France that you pointed out would have been lost to Germany if not for America.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:11 | 4832999 Miles Ahead
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And here I thought you were balanced. 

I was born in the country mate.  And lived there many, many, decades so don't even try it.  In my careers I lived in all four corners: Bath, Maine, San Diego, Seattle, Orlando, and many points between. I'm from Manhattan. I served 6 years in the US Military as a senior NCO.

Yes, for over 200 years, but it was never right.  Slavery, genocide, and Civil War, and racial oppression. 1929 was the natural, logical conclusion of the actions of the years that preceded.  Or was that some hiccup?

WWII saved the day since all the industrial competition left dangling until most were no longer a threat.  And all those places in Paris would have been destroyed had it not been for HITLER, not America.  What, the US stopped him from entering Paris?  No, they actually aided him.  Do your homework kid.

But OK, enough with the "ifs".  After WWII there have been continual war to keep the US economy going strong because no one wanted to go back to 1929.  But someone's knocking at the door!  And it ain't the fuckin' Maytag man.

WWII ended in 1945.  By 1965-70 the economic troubles were upon US again (you were too young to remember) and you know what happened in 1971... default.  Then 1978 nobody wanted the Dollar so we printed Bonds in German Marks and Swiss Francs.

Summary; once again WWII saved the US from 1929, and post 1945 the prosperity has to be considered in context, which leads to a conclusion that some day soon you'll be re-visiting "1929" and continuing on from whence you left.  Detroit is just an appetizer.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:34 | 4833041 daveO
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1929 was the ultimate result of the FED. End the FED. The war was created to excuse even more debt creation. 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 04:36 | 4833861 economics9698
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"I served 6 years in the US Military as a senior NCO."

Imposible to be a E-7, E-8, or E-9 in six years.  

This guy is a loon, ignore him. 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 17:37 | 4835002 Lore
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He might have meant to say that he spent 6 years at that level. I find his present status more intriguing. Why did he go to Canada?

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 11:45 | 4834220 shovelhead
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1929 was caused by the collapse of foreign trade due to the end of cheap vendor financed lending. The stock crash was minor in comparison but caused a freeze in bank lending to manufacturers who provided terms to foreign buyers. When the cheap credit dried up the foreign buyers of US goods stopped buying and many defaulted. Manufacturers, facing huge losses scrambled for credit that was unavailable because nobody knew who was solvent including the banks.

The stock market crash caused the freeze in lending but it was the collapse of international trade that caused the real damage because America could not absorb the excess production capacity going overseas and Hoovers non-interventionist policy that led to mass unemployment.

Subsequent interventions never addressed the core driver of the depression.

This is probably a spongey paraphrasing of David Stockman's "The Great Deformation" but the main points are reasonably correct from memory. (at least for mine, which is far from photographic)

 

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:51 | 4833079 atomp
Sat, 06/07/2014 - 23:00 | 4833635 SAT 800
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You're wrong and he's right. You're a fool. Africans grow up; chrnologically, but they have 10 year old minds, and 8 year old emotional stability. They're worse than useless; much worse.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 12:40 | 4834272 shovelhead
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The correct answer is fairly simple to parse. If you subsidize the breeding of low IQ people with poor impulse control and a tolerance and propensity for criminality, you beget more of the same, particularly when the males consider having many children a sign of virility.

Large populations of low IQ and under-uneducated people breeding without restraint begets a population devoid of skills and motivation to escape should there appear an average or higher IQ among the population.

The few that manage to overcome the great odds seem to become celebrities for that very same reason.

Prior to the welfare system, a nuclear family was the norm and most cities had a growing middle class of black families despite the social restrictions (some legal in the South) that were part of that time period. It's not that blacks don't have average or better IQ's, That idea is obviously absurd. The problem is that they're being far outbred by the low end of the gene pool which become, sadly, more representative of the whole. You can't escape demography.

It's families that value education and discipline that create success, not a check in the mail.

This applies exactly the same for whites, hispanics and any other group. I've seen whole swathes of the South where the same dysfunctional phenomena occurs in whites as well.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 14:29 | 4834581 Government need...
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The largest pool of IQ data suggests real differences between ethnicities.  When physical violence is your competitive advantage, you use it.  You have to wonder why, if ethnic diversity is so great, China hasn't imported 30 million Mexicans and an equal number of Negros.  Most will agree China has taken favorable elements of both capitalism and command economies and harnassed their assets to produce the #1 economy.  Why dont they see and adopt the US's embrace of ethnic and cultural 'diversity'?

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 22:43 | 4835873 acetinker
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Ain't no shit, shovelhead.  I came from the white, entitled, dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks community.  Then, I migrated to the slightly less stupid, (only slightly) let's-make-guns-and-bullets-and-shit-for-the-gubbermint crowd.  Now, I'm in the rare air of holy-fuck, how-do-you-make-an-honest-living-being-honest?

Starting to think it can't be done.  Maybe it's true that you can't get above your raisin'. Oh well.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 18:32 | 4833233 Monty Burns
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Assfire, you're the only one who points out the elephant in the room.  Detroit is like it is because it's populated by Africans.  It's as simple as that.  it's not Dems, or Libtards or whatever. Just look at any other majority Afro-American city (Camden, East St. Lious, ++++) they're all the same. Same goes for suburbs, even streets (MLK Boulevard in any city).  Same applies in every country. Black areas are crap. That's not saying that there arenot good hard-wroking Africans but on aggregate they drag everything down.

 

And as long as we insist on looking for another cause we won't fix the problem.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 09:18 | 4833994 bigkahuna
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I do not like to look at people in the aggregate because that can disparage good people for the malfeasance of a part of the group...

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 11:54 | 4834245 Monty Burns
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I agree but you have to look at people in the aggregate if you're making social and/or economic policy.  Fact is if you have an overwhelming African-American demographic then that city is going to degenerate into what Detroit is now.  It doesn't matter how many 'initiatives' you come up with or how many trillions of $ you pump in. It just won't work. 

 

Like, how's that Bridging The Achievement Gap project coming along, 50 years and five trillion dollars later?

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 12:34 | 4834326 shovelhead
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That's like saying you won't count potatos because you know a bunch of them are rotten and that might affect your feelings about the good potatos.

Potatos are potatos. The rotten ones can ruin the whole batch if not isolated.

If you don't think people are much the same, then I have nothing I can add.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 12:53 | 4834359 HulkHogan
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correct. I've seen plenty of good areas go bad due to white, asian, and mexicans too. race doesn't matter, their attitude does. Most of the time it happens because they are renters who don't give a shit about anything (neighborhood, cleanliness, work). One shitty renter brings down the whole neighborhood within 5-10 years.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 23:41 | 4836026 Government need...
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You tell a nice story.  Which neighborhoods have gone downhill following a signficant influx of Asians?  Whites? 

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 10:21 | 4834074 darkpool2
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At some point in the (near?) future, significant swaths of the USA will be absolute hell on earth "no-go zones.........and the remaining "livable" areas will be begging for more fascism and police state type " protection" . I dont think there is any going back now. Russia and other relatively unpopulated areas do have vaste potential riding on the back of huge infrastructure investments. Its a topsy turvy world now.......best to recognize that now and act accordingly

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 11:43 | 4834214 Son of Loki
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Australia is the same...open spaces, tons of resources, great people and oh, yes, very safe streets.

 

How many cities can you walk in the USA at night safely?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 10:39 | 4836984 Gavrikon
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Except that TPTB are determined to destroy Mother Russia.  We can't have a country where they refuse to destroy their own people, now can we?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:28 | 4832799 Matt
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"If they are worth keeping in the country they will do something with all of the $1.00 houses."

$1 houses with $1500 to $2500 in annual taxes. Turns out, there IS a limit to how much property taxes, and taxes in general, you can pile onto people.

You'd think they'd have figured out, it would be better to lower taxes then to just foreclose on thousands of homes and have them turn into burnt out wasteland.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:37 | 4833051 daveO
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True. Remove the endless bailouts from the state and feds., before bankruptcy(another bailout), and things would have been managed more responsibly. This goes for all cities. Detoilet would have simply gone broke sooner, IMO.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 10:23 | 4834078 darkpool2
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"They" will never figure it out.......its just not in "their" interests to do so. Remove the head.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 18:24 | 4833228 Hobbleknee
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Looks like people are buying the $1 dollar houses, torching them and collecting insurance.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 22:37 | 4833606 Ewe235
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And hopefully your wife doesn't degrade as much as these houses in the 3 years!

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 12:59 | 4834368 HulkHogan
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too late

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:34 | 4833155 Savvy
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'Aid' is just money from poor people in rich countries given to rich people in poor country. If Detroit were a poor country with oil they'd be getting bommbed not getting 'aid'.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 18:50 | 4833270 paddyirishman
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plenty of blacks though, africa coming to a city near you soon.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 22:00 | 4833554 mjazzguitar
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And muhammadans.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:09 | 4832485 XitSam
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Are you saying Ben is the intellectual inspriation for Obama?

“If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it. Period.”

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:37 | 4833159 what's that smell
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if you work, earn an income, pay taxes in this dreary nation, you are a crew member of the American Death Star.

quit bitching and destroy those rebels bases.

and sure the fuck don't complain when luke skywalker shoots his man missile up your exhaust pipe.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:11 | 4832489 remain calm
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We just need to take more money from the producers and give it to Detroit, it would flourish.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:23 | 4832785 Miles Ahead
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Ah the law of unintended consequences.  Can't get around that puppy.  America created the underclass and strove to make sure there always was one; very useful and usually could be kept apart. 

Now that the genie is out of the bottle there are some unforseen side effects.  Now comes the hand wringing and the regret.

Too bad none of it will help.

Producers.  Fuckers took the "production" jobs and shipped them south of the border, then West of the Pacific.  Detroit is your answer.  Now bend the fuck over.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:12 | 4832977 TeamDepends
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"America created the underclass..."  Fuck you!  So tired of you fuzzy foreigners conflating USGOV with the average working American.  Here's a tip:  NEVER start a sentence with "Americans this" or "Turks that" because you are making a blanket generalization about millions of people.  Instead say "Some, but not all, Fiji Islanders..."  How many Americans do you know personally?  For at least 50 years our "government" has grown and become ever more surly.  Do you think you could wrestle a Grizzly Bear and come out unscathed?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 16:15 | 4833006 Miles Ahead
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Foreigner.  I'm American.  First President was Ike.  Native New Yorker.  So... I have a passport and use it; don't hate me cause I'm beautiful.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:17 | 4833130 max2205
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$1 seems high after seeing not seeing what's left

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 01:45 | 4833807 Seek_Truth
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Can't help but think dual citizenship. Now, who gets that privilege, predominantly?

PS- oy vey!

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 20:14 | 4833392 DFCtomm
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So "the underclass" was invented by the U.S.? You seem to think slavery was as well. You think that those things didn't exist before the U.S. and are a product of the U.S., but the truth is they existed before the U.S. and they will exist long after. All the faults you see in the U.S. are actully human faults, and you won't escape them.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 03:11 | 4836298 All Risk No Reward
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Remembering that it is a republic is a prerequisite to keeping it, right?

Thought so.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:16 | 4832507 Anusocracy
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May sound nice, but doesn't exist in practice.

The Repub government in Michigan wants the taxpayers to pony up $192 million for Dem Detroit pensions (and save the art museum).

Who needs Dems when you have Repubs?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 03:12 | 4836299 All Risk No Reward
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Dems and Pubs are illusions.

You live in UzBanksterstan and your government never changes.

Can I get an "Amen!"

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:08 | 4832472 Buckaroo Banzai
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"As an aside, anybody want to speculate on why they somewhat defend the 2nd Amendment?"

Easy to answer once you know how to approach the question.

Consider that, 90 years ago, even the the most liberal Democrat fully supported the 2nd Amendment.

Today's most conservative Republican, who for example supports the Gun Control Act of 1968 wholeheartedly and without reservation, would be comparable to a Communist in the 1920s.

If you want to know what the Republican party platform is today, just look at what the Democrat party platform was 20 years ago, and you'll have a good idea.

The two parties are most definitely not the same. However, it is fair to say that they are moving in exactly the same direction, just time-shifted in order to sweep all voting generations (ages 20-40, 40-60, and 60-80) into their nets.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:13 | 4832498 XitSam
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Absolutely correct.  The first big push for individual dependency on government: Roosevelt's New Deal.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:30 | 4832550 kchrisc
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90 years ago pols and crats could be seen to "support" the 2nd. because the knowledge of their crimes was not very likely to get out.

Now with the Internet and the impending collapse of the DC US, they know that their crimes will become widely known and that they will be held responsible.

Sandy Hoax is proof that they are becoming more and more concerned with what may be lurking behind "every blade of grass."

 

"I planted tall grass in the front yard and a guillotine in the back."

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:01 | 4832617 Cloud9.5
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It is an enigma as to why the Roberts Court has shredded the Bill of Rights by refusing to hear cases that contest the Patriot Act and the NDAA when it in direct conflict with normal progressive, collectivist thinking determined that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right rather than a collective right held by the state.  All that I can conclude is that the oligarchs intend for the gun culture to thin the herd once the bubble pops.  

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:09 | 4832638 Cathartes Aura
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letting commerce & profits happen by "encouraging" the consumers to buy guns 'n' ammo

ensures future trrrrrrrsts seeded amongst the communities, and the meme will be

"we gots a MRAP and we WILL protect the "State" from the armed insurgents" - because if you don't love amrka, you ARE an enemy.

simple as.  a new profit-able war zone, the Homeland.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 12:50 | 4834354 XitSam
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No enigma at all.  Your question implies that SCOTUS is on the side of Liberty and Freedom. They are not. They are part of the statist machine ratcheting up the power of government.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 18:57 | 4833286 you enjoy myself
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good point on the 20 year stagger.  JFK, the patron saint of the left, was to the right of pretty much half of the current senate republicans.  Dingy Harry would be subjecting him to his daily two minutes of hate.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:15 | 4832652 RafterManFMJ
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I be blamin' Whitey fo dis destruksion; I be needin' mo from Obama stash to keep me house blingin' n shit.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:00 | 4832447 McMolotov
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Both parties are essentially the same at the national level. At the local level there actually are differences, but small Republican towns are pretty much the same as small Democratic towns.

It's once a city reaches a certain — how to say this politely? — demographic threshold, that a city tends to go to shit. The people get the government they deserve.

(Are there any Republican big cities?)

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:18 | 4832661 Bad Attitude
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Demographics is destiny.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:35 | 4832682 AssFire
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Isn't it funny that Australians put their Aborigines in reservations while we let the slaves roam free when they are obviously bigger savages than Native-American Indians.

I guarantee the naggers could not run a casino.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:34 | 4833156 logicalman
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Please replace 'Fire' with 'Hole'

Accuracy and all that.

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 19:32 | 4833332 PhilofOz
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We do not put the aborigines in reservations! They are there of their own choice or in public housing in any reasonable sized city in the country. If I had the rights and privileges the Australian Aborigine has in this country these days, I'd live a long and happy life getting government benefits well above those of other Australians knowing I will have food, shelter, and all the other basics needed for a long and comfortable life. Of course if I chose to spend these benefits on alcohol and drugs in a big way then that lifestyle all goes out the door.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 21:14 | 4833483 UselessEater
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Correct all the different Aust Aboriginal skin groups (tribes) left their own separate lands and relocated themselves to the pleasant hell of Palm Island and Mornington Island and Doomadgee etc.....perfect spots for over crowding, with little or no industry; yep even they even put the chains on their own necks in their rush to get to Mornington Island (I couldn't believe it when I was shown photo's while working in that area and met a lady who remembered the event in her childhood).

But its true government benefits are not improving their lot in life and many are grappling with the issue with limited success. Its sad.

But I am more pissed off with the sneaky welfare given to our big 4 banks!!

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:24 | 4833092 Everybodys All ...
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Partly why Detroit is in the condition that it's in today is because Honda of America (and I suppose all other foreign car makers) figured it out and had a work around. They would not build a factory too close to a big city in the US because of demographics. You can look it up and I know it's true as I used to work at Honda as a contractor. They figured if you could build a factory just far enough away you would only attract a certain demographic. A demographic they wanted. The worker they didn't want would not travel that far for work and that way they didn't have to deal with the inevitable shall I say undesirable demographic problems.

Are there any successful not in debt Democratic big cities?  Are there any Republican big cities? The answer is the same to both questions.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 20:28 | 4833409 chubbar
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Which is why the flood gates (borders, etc) are open! Let's water down the cultural identify of the nation!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:39 | 4839840 Kobe Beef
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aka DIE-versity.

Sun, 06/08/2014 - 21:48 | 4835703 jerry_theking_lawler
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What's really sad is that You and I are paying for the increase in the shift of these 'demographics'......through our fabulous .gov.

End it all. Only way to save America...otherwise we will be the western province of Liberia.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155459/you-cant-say-that-on-televi...

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:04 | 4832462 dirty belly
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Ask yourself: "What do you call a coward with a gun?"

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:10 | 4832483 Overfed
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A Fed? Member of a SWAT team?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:15 | 4832502 XitSam
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Massa?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:33 | 4832567 kchrisc
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A "gun and badge thug."

"Guns don't kill people, mostly people in uniform do."

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:29 | 4832540 sessinpo
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RevRex    Sarcasm escapes you.

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Unfortunately for you, sarcasm requires some intelligence which you seem to lack in trying to make some sort of comparison.

Now if there had been some Republicans mayors in office during that time, you would have an argument. And BTW, I am one of those libertarian retards that isn't happy with both parties.

More sniveling and worm like is those like you that are cowardly to just call others retards with nothing to back it up. And no sarcasm in my statement.

I don't read sarcasm in your post because I see no intelligence that you can be sarcastic.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:47 | 4832595 rum_runner
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I don't read sarcasm in your post because I see no intelligence that you can be sarcastic.

Poorly formed sentence, -1 point.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:00 | 4832616 sessinpo
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Lay off the rum and perhaps you will see my grammar is correct and my point is consice. Minus many negaive points for you.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:47 | 4832962 BidnessMan
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Consice ?

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:31 | 4833148 TeamDepends
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From the New World Revised Grifter Dictionary:  Cons Ice:  A plan or arrangement for attaining some particular object or putting a particular idea into effect in the mind of a rube, buffer, dolt, or mark.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 17:50 | 4833180 DYS
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Would minus negative points actually be positive?   Which side do assets go? 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:09 | 4832637 SilverIsMoney
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Republicans have been too busy destroying small towns across America to destroy the large ones. 

 

You red vs blue dopes are the fucking worst.

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:11 | 4832896 Miles Ahead
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Word

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 13:10 | 4832640 DeadFred
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The parties are the same. That doesn't mean that the voters are the same. This would not have happened in Des Moines. You are looking at Oakland, 2019 after the collapse (best case scenario)

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:00 | 4832759 knukles
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B.i.n.g-Fucking-O

And you know where the "O" is from, bitchez.

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:37 | 4832822 alexcojones
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RevRex: Maybe you need to learn sarcasm from a professional.

We have a guy here on Zh who can teach you .  MDB is like the T-Rex of sarcasm.

Cheers!

AC

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 14:40 | 4832825 franciscopendergrass
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Republicans destroyed a few countries, Iraq and Afghanistan.  Set America back a few trillion.  Created countless terrorists.  They also helped out their buddies, Halliburton.  Why is Halliburton in Dubai?  /Sarc off

 

Sat, 06/07/2014 - 15:55 | 4832973 daveO
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At least, Halliburton employees can keep up their houses.

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