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The Shadowy Commander Of The East Ukraine Insurgency Speaks
Not much is known about Igor Strelkov, the man AP dubbed "the face of the insurgency in eastern Ukraine", and the fact that he keeps an ultra low profile certainly doesn't help his public image, if certainly boosting his shadowy, mystical status. However, yesterday in the aftermath of the swearing in of Ukraine's new president Poroshenko, Strelkov gave an extensive interview in which he laid out not only the "separatists" take on recent events in Ukraine but how they view the armed resistance strategically, and what, if any, the endgame is.
In any event, the following interview will certainly not be available on any western media outlets so for those who believe in hearing both sides of the story to development an informed opinion, read on.
Most Recent Interview by Strelkov, via @Gbazov
I believe that the situation will change for the worse, because now this so-called “legitimate” President immediately will turn to NATO countries, to Western countries, for help, asking, first and foremost, for military help.
We can then expect to be confronted with new NATO tanks, helicopters, aircraft, advisors, instructors, mercenaries. There will be greater numbers of shells, troops and victims. This is all that I expect from this so-called “inauguration.”
This morning [June 7, 2014] there was again artillery shelling of the Artem neighbourhood of Slavyansk. There our checkpoints are located along the perimeter, but the enemy regularly shells homes in civilian neighbourhoods. Specifically, the shells exploded here, here, near the Lenin Hospital, and here.
The enemy can “boast” that they finished off two of their broken-down “BMD” APCs. Well, more accurately, not “BMD” APCs, just APCs. These we had long ago taken apart into spare parts. So they hit these remaining shells; they finished them off, so to say.
With respect to infantry, we are facing a ratio of approximately 5-6 to 1. For one of my fighters there are 5-6 enemy soldiers. This is specifically with respect to the troops stationed directly near the city. Apart from that, there are also 50-60 pieces of heavy artillery, which is dedicated specifically to shelling the city. Also 1-2 Grad systems. A lot of tanks. These elements we cannot, unfortunately, engage directly, given the distance of 1.5-2 kilometres.
All in all, the ratio of forces remains very much not in our favour. So, although the enemy has moved a portion of its forces from our theatre and transferred it, as far as I can tell, to protect the border, nevertheless, we are having a difficult time holding our ground. As a result, first and foremost, we need active help in the form of armoured vehicles, long-range AA elements, and artillery. This is so because the greater part of the enemy artillery force conducts attacks from positions that we are unable to reach.
That is to say, they bombard us from long-range positions of absolute safety. All we can do is dig into the ground, build reinforced installations, but we are unable to counteract them in any way. Unfortunately, our mortars simply do not reach the positions of their heavy howitzers. No wonder, as we are facing such calibres as 240mm. The holes left by shells from these weapons in Semyonovka are easily identifiable.
It has become apparent, long ago, to anyone with even a superficial interest in military affairs that it is far easier to storm an intact city than a destroyed city. The Germans, in their time, got confirmation of this rule at Stalingrad. Yes, they are counting on being able to force the population out of here. And they claim that [once the population evacuates], they would be able to storm the city. In fact, this is simply a way to save face.
A significant part of the population, at least in Semyonovka and Cherevkovka, has already left. Semyonovka has barely anyone left. Same with Cherevkovka. And yet, they do not attempt to storm them. There is one simple reason why: they understand full well that they will suffer significant casualties. Their infantry does not exhibit sufficient fortitude, whether on attack or in defence. In effect, they are simply exacting vengeance against us for precision strikes against their artillery positions, their checkpoints, against their armoured vehicles. They are taking out their anger by carpet-shelling civilian neighbourhoods. In theory, it is possible that they believe they are firing at our positions; however, in 90% of cases they hit areas where we have no fighters present.
They conducted strikes against Nikolaevskaia Power Plant specifically with the intent of taking it out of commission, so at to cut off electrical supplies not only to our city, but to a whole number of cities in the north of Donbass region. In fact, this was a direct attack intended to destroy the infrastructure that feeds urban and industrial regions. The same can be said about the continuing bombardment of industrial locations. In sum, we are witnessing purposeful destruction of the industrial complex. You can draw an analogy to an old joke about a Ukrainian who says “Even if I can’t eat it, at least I’ll bite it.” In other words, if I can’t have you, no one can. About right.
I am predicting that not only the Slavyansk region, which, at this time, acts as a shield for the Lugansk and Donetsk oblasts/provinces, but also the entire territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions will turn into a battlefield. It is obvious that no one will stop this military operation; no one is intending to terminate it. More than that, military elements are being used that are entirely excessive in fighting against small guerilla units. In fact, these elements are more-or-less useless. In a manner of saying, they are using cannons to shoot down birds. All of this will continue further, it will be transferred to Donetsk, to Gorlovka, to Makeevka, to Lugansk, to all the other cities and parts of the region. At least that’s how the Ukrainian army is acting. These are the conclusion that can be drawn from what the Ukrainian army is doing. This will turn into a humanitarian catastrophe not just at the scale of a city, but on the regional, possibly the world scale. I say this because there are over six (6) million inhabitants [in the region] that will become the targets of this very dumb, very unprofessional, very careless military machine. While guerillas (and we are, in fact, guerillas), i.e. militia, are able to defend cities, are able to repel infantry and even tank attacks by the enemy, we are, unfortunately, incapable of defending the region from airstrikes and artillery shelling. Equally, we are unable to destroy [artillery and aviation] because the ratio of the opposing forces remains disturbingly [not in our favour]. Regardless of how many volunteers we are able to field (and, first of all, we are unable to arm all of them, to this date we lack everything – rifles, ammo, anti-aircraft elements, and, most important, we lack anti-tank defence systems, including anti-tank artillery), and even if we receive all the necessary equipment and are able to match [Ukrainian] regular forces in combat, this would nevertheless lead to a complete humanitarian catastrophe in the region. Unfortunately, without peacekeeping forces (and I obviously mean Russian peacekeepers, as no other peacekeeping force would be accepted by us here, nor considered a “peacekeeping force”), the region will descend into bloody chaos, lawlessness. Everything that was built over decades would be lost, destroyed.
The Lugansk Republic also finds itself in a very difficult military situation, they must think of defending their own territory, their own cities and population. The one thing I can note is that we are coordinating our activities with the garrison in Lesichansk. This garrison made a request to be included in our command structure. Together with this garrison we are defending this part of the front.
Q: Poroshenko promised Putin that, in the nearest future, the war will be either brought to an end or suspended, in some manner. In your opinion, what did he mean when he said this?
A: I believe that what he meant is that the Ukrainian army will steamroll over the entire Donbass region, will eliminate all those who rose up against the illegitimate Kiev government, all those who rebelled against the discrimination directed against the Russian people, and that, in this manner, he would bring the war to an end. I think this is what he had in mind. An oligarch who sponsored the so-called “Maidan,” who made the most warlike claims and adopted extreme positions while still a Presidential candidate, who is a puppet controlled directly by the United States of America, this oligarch cannot change who he is in one day or one night. Of course, what he means is that he plans to “impose order” with an iron fist, the fist of his punitive forces. Put it bluntly, we saw how they “impose order” from the example of what happened in Krasniy Liman. That is why we will, of course, resist to the last man. We will resist successfully, I am emphasizing this again. The real problem is not that we will be unable to defend ourselves or to withstand attacks by the Ukrainian forces, the problem is that if this war continues indefinitely, the region will fall to a humanitarian catastrophe. As a result Russia will become the recipient of millions of disenfranchised, impoverished and angry refugees. Everything that was built, created over decades, if not centuries, will be destroyed.
We continue to prevail over them again and again, on all fronts. Nowhere have they been able to achieve a victory of any real significance. They were able to overwhelm our garrison of one hundred in Krasniy Liman by throwing a force of three thousand (3,000) and coming against them from all sides. Even so … And where they have to square off against a more-or-less trained, numerous, at least somehow provisioned force, they always, regularly suffer defeat. They cannot advance even a step. Their tactic consists of filling the landscape with troops, tanks, APCs, and artillery, and defending themselves, in hopes that, without numerical and equipment parity, we would be unable to push them from their positions. In effect, their positions at Mount Karachun are an example of this approach. We are unable to kick them out of Karachun first and foremost because their force is at least three times the size of my garrison [in Slavyansk].
We are blessed with excellent morale and fighting spirit, our fighters are highly motivated, while they have a great deal of old, but still effective “metal” [Note: i.e. armoured vehicles] that fights against our militia.
Ukrainian mass media lies, lies without end. They lie so unapologetically that Goebbels would have envied their style. He is probably turning in his grave now. And, so, they are interested in ensuring that no one else is able to provide this information. And, because Western media, to a large degree, plays along with its Ukrainian colleagues, and provides only such information that benefits Ukraine, the Russian media becomes their natural enemy. As a result, they consider the Russian media their direct enemy in the field of informational warfare.
With respect to international law and norms, they never cared for them on bit. For example, here they use cluster bombs and similar [illegal] weapons. They shoot, and, as you correctly pointed out, remove entire township from the face of the Earth. They shell cities. They will continue in this manner with ever-increasing [brutality]. This is because they experience no material opposition [to what they do]. They have no other tactic. They are unable to take up their weapons and go on attack, go storm our positions face-to-face with us, despite their profound numerical advantage in troops. As soon as their infantry faces direct combat, it retreats. They retreat even if supported by tanks. They abandon their tanks and retreat. They understand that their infantry is not combat-worthy. Their only option is to shell us from afar, again and again and again, and hope to inflict the greatest possible destruction.
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nice answer...did you find your balls??
lol...15mins???
I like playing with the trolls sometimes...especially the mental midget type.
Careful doing that, you'll go blind.
Ethnic cleansing is your answer again?
Fuck off, little nazi.
"No, I do not believe in shredding families"
Ah, but the Chocolate King does.
So many War Criminals, it's hard to know where to start.
It seems to me they have the choice of picking up rifles and defending themselves to the best of their ability or laying down and wait to be executed by the SS....excuse me...national Guard.
Remember that that crazy bitch wanted all of the ethnic Russians nuked before there was ANY fighting in the East. This was a route Maidan was pushed to take by the US and now it is happening.
You sound like a pacifist. Good. I am too. I am just well armed on case there comes a time where the .gov does what .govs tend to do. They decide that somebody is in their way and must be removed. It is a story written thousands of times before.
Element has a point though. Sprelkov can say things like "we'll fight to the last man" and ... and then what? Everyone will be killed, the cities destroyed, an entire population wiped out. Sure, it's nice to fight for what's yours, but if everything you care of is destroyed in the meantime, what kind of victory is that?
It's not that I am against people defending themselves, not at all, but I think nothing good can come out of this strategy.
What strategy would you propose?
Just ask'n
This element jerk wants attention. That is all. Just ignor him. You cant reason with a half crazy dim wit .
Why are you all wasting time and space talking to a brain dead troll?
Are you at least being paid for being so stupid ? It would be really pathetic to do it for free, indeed...
Well, for the last 30+ years the US has been the main instigator of war.
Unless you are completely against the US, you "are completely up for war".
Moron.
+1 for the technically correct usage of the term "Moron".
Moron: an adult, with the mental capacity of a 8-12 year old child.
Moron and Idiot were clinical terms in psychology, used as a label of convenience and referred to IQ groups of varying degree of sub-average IQ abilities. Since they have leaked out into the mainstream usage and have taken on derogatory meaning, the PC crowd have banned its usage in the MSM and Academia, and replaced them with sanitized weasel words.
Just what we need - moron sanitized weasel words
If you think they have no reason to fight take a look at this article...... The Normandy Landing and World War II: The Lies Grow More Audacious By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Global Research, June 07, 2014
Element, You will be the first to turn your own kind in for some security that you neither weill get nor deserve.
Shelling civilians to terrorize them is not considered "terrorism" by the United States/HATO countries but is encouraged and supported by them. Go figure fucking hell my country is rotten.
P.S. if anybody in Donbas is reading, I am doing everything I can to tell your story to others here and highlight my government's war crimes that they commit against you people. You are true heroes, I won't let the people here in my country be ignorant of your struggles. I hope peace returns to your nation soon.
I'm doing the same.
I wonder if the independence fighters are accepting foreign volunteers?
If you speak Russian...
"I wonder if the independence fighters are accepting foreign volunteers?"
Funny you should say that, because the closer one looks at the situation, the more it resembles the Spanish Civil War, especially the bombing of civilians and summary executions.
The Nationalists had Germany behind them, and used their aircraft and pilots. The Republicans had everyone else: democrats, socialists, communists, anachists, foreign volunteers and of course the USSR.
This time around it's the USA backing the UK Fascists against.... ???
Anyone else see a pattern here? Seems to me, broadly speaking, that every once in a while, just about everyone, regardless of race, creed or ideolgy, has to band together to stomp out fascism.
The fascists won that war though. Franco stayed in power for more than 30 years.
Remember "shock and awe?" Hyped by the whorish media as a demonstration of America power? Made me sick.
Designed to bomb them to the stone age, so that it could be rebuilt with American dollars.
I belive it bitchez
I am still confused as to why Putin having know for years that ethinic Russians in Ukraine wanted to be part of mother Russia did nothing till his butt boy got kicked out.
Why would President for Life Putin ignore these people for so many years before now?
It's called having your hand forced.
Yes I agree for years - but why even at the end why did Yanocovivh not call on Putin to come into the east to protect and be sponsored by a sitting President - then leave after that - he could have done it when he fled to Donbasck also
Then it would have been a different set of demands by the US but at least the heavy lifting would be over and the equipment needed to defend would be in country and then the Russians - they could leave
It would be a negotiation for federation much easier circumstance and would have protection for Crimea surrounded
The US would be checkmated
Very very very weird decisions by Putin - something else is in the mix - what could it be?
No one was attacking them previously, they were left in peace.
i can only hope that when this comes to america there are men of courage made of steel like this gent.
He is certainly able to articulate a lucid picture of their situation.
Bravo!
There is a book, "The Un-tied States of America," that predicts that the US could break into three nations. There would be the eastern seaboard, west of the Rocky Mountains, and the region between those two that is broadly the Mississippi basin. It makes sense to me, based on the economic interests of the three regions. For example, the west coast is highly involved in trade with east Asia; the east coast is part of Europe, particularly considering the relationship of the major financial centers, New York and London. The Mississippi basin produces lots of agricultural commodities. I'd like to see it happen. It would reduce the one imperialist superpower to three less aggressive countries.
Barack, it is a beautiful day today here in DC.
Why aren't you out golfing, dude?!
Among veterans I'm sure such men already exist.
Certainly on vet forums there is a lot of talk about the current situation in the country and what could realistically be done.
can't help it.
"Strelnikov"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXKHTTzayU
my daughter is helping a russian ukranian and his western ethnic ukranian girlfriend learn english. love is the most powerful peacemaker.
Yeah, but love has been the impetus behind huge numbers of relationships that failed and generated deep, lasting hatred. Coldly rational analysis produces better results than love.
one person's rational analysis is insanity in another person's view. love is a hysterical emotion that, in its purest form, rejects violence. what you note is not love.
worked out well for Romeo &Juliet, didn't it?
They should ask Russia pronto to support them with troops. This before NATO comes in.
This may be scheduled already. Putin is a bit too quiet.
Not a lot of chit-chat in chess - "check" or "check-mate".
This "interview" is working on multiple levels; the context depending on who's reading it.
Putin cannot be wishy washy much longer. His mistake was he did not put down his feet fast enough when "demonstration " first broke out in Kiev. The KGB has become soft and was not doing its job. If he had got rid of the madien movement jerks in the first place, none of these headaches would materialize.
Putin is between a rock and a hard place. If he does not make a move now, he will have NATO up his ass by placing missles at his door step.
Poroshenkov is just another corrupt Ukrainian leader....he will be a puppet for the West and accomplish nothing to help the country out of this mess.
He will ensure a solid ass-fucking for the people of Ukraine, just as all leaders do to the people who give them power.
He raises an interesting strategic dilemma for Putin/Russia: If they do nothing, the region gets destroyed and Russia gets millions of refugees. Very bad for Russia and Putin's image and standing. If Putin is weakened, they can also re-escallate the war in Syria, now that the chem WMDs are gone. And if he invades, it's the forced "pretext" that the US Neocons seek.
Is there a hybrid solution? Maybe. Maybe the region's people (its guerrillas/partizans) needs more "holy warriors" and more weapons and supplies to come in. If they were to fight a strict defensive war. All of this needs to happen, even though Obama is trying to tie up Putin politically with his PR war and threats of "further sanctions". These threats are designed to do nothing more than to "freeze" Putin from acting, while the US-sponsored goons keep wrecking the region as the general describes.
If they (the resistance fighters) chose Total War, they could and perhaps should take the fight to the enemy in Kiev itself... with guerrilla reprisal attacks. Total War, Proxy Wars, bitchez!
And while the proxy wars continue in Syria and Ukraine (sapping time, energy and resources), the African pipelines to Europe continue on track and on schedule. Maybe those need some "insurgency" also? After all, what's good for the goose...
p.s. I'd openly threaten further de-Dollarification of energy sales to the EU, if Obama and his Masters don't "cease & desist". And if/when they don't, then Russia has the pretext and will have given "fair warning" ("You left us no choice!") in selling energy in Rubles, Yuans and gold. And maybe a limited supply of sales in Euros. Note that Euros as simply "USD2", thanks to the mainline link between the Fed and Brussels.
Yes, targeting the enemy in their nests in Kiev would be very effective. Hitting the towns, schools and families of Ukrainian conscripts in the western regions, while the conscripts are otherwise engaged in the Donbas, would negatively affect Ukrainian morale.
There are conscripts in the Army who don't want to fight or are half heartedly fighting. That is why as the Commander says they've resorted to shelling towns from afar. If the Donbas militias go after the soldiers families it may embolden them or motivate them. It is better to take the high road I believe and fight for and to uphold their ideals as a civilized culture. There are reports some soldiers are only fighting because National Guard (Pravy Sector with AKs) threaten soldiers who won't fight, it would be cruel for them and their families to be getting it from both sides.
Appreciate your frustration and sentiments but its better to treat their slavic brothers humanely and hope for defections in the future.
I agree to a point, but bear in mind that War is War, and there is no such thing as a "clean" or "just" war. You can still have "reprisal" attacks, targeting very specific... "elements". Be they very specific people (assassinations) or damaging Kiev's infrastructure, to increase the pressure on its regime. Note that "targeted reprisal attacks" seem to work for O and his drone wars, in "exacting justice" (or in "exacting justUS"), and sending the desired (but different) messages to its foreign and domestic audience.
"War is diplomacy by other means" - Von Klausewitz
"Diplomacy is war by other means." -Kirk.
"Demographic warfare"* is sanitized and politically correct warfare. But most people and zero sheeple know that, or get that.
* Demographic Warfare = poor man's warfare = Uncontrolled breeding, plus a mix of voluntary and forced migration into other regions or countries. (Rhetorical question: Know of any countries or cultures who practice it?)
p.s. I didn't junk you.
Those are good points Kirk, in this case though the people will have to find a way to live next to each other when its all done. (I didn't thumb you down either)
Ukrainian soldiers have been executed for refusing to deploy and follow orders to attack civilians.
Bullet to head.
others families and home threatened by Kyiv.
others, mostly officers "pay raise" arrived and they sold their soul...
these and corporate mercs are leading the attacks...
right sector are the dogs they turn loose
what is the play here? putin knows a trap when he sees it. if he provides troops or even tactical air power it will play into the usa hand. if he allows the destruction of eastern ukraine he actually gains more support from on the fence allies(the various -stans and the former ussr states not mention the nonallied states) as they see their future in the ukraine.
this operation has been a total informational defeat for the usa, whatever the real story is on the ground. putin is winning. as an american, i have to hope someone stops the crazies running my country because, short of domestic violence to change the picture, the people of the usa cannot stop them. they have effectively removed the people from the equation by making the electoral/political process meaningless.
agree besnook, the west/ukraine government have been trying to provoke Russia into invading and Putin/Russia hasn't taken the bait. Putin is the President of Russia and must act in Russia's best interest. Long term the west is bankrupt and in rapid decline and its better for Russia's interests that the west self destructs on our own. He will try to stay out of the conflict for as long as they can hold off.
Sad for the poor people of the region but this whole conflict could get a lot bigger before its finished and involved a lot more Russian people than it is now.
Maybe the seperatists could spread a little payback love directly to organizing oligarchs and their little helper elves (that would be you Nuland) while holding a defensive position and waiting for the west to collapse. Rome took a long time to collapse, sometimes the wait is too long, maybe mopping up invested planners and their helper agitators in the meantime might dampen their enthusiasm.
“We will resist successfully, I am emphasizing this again. The real problem is not that we will be unable to defend ourselves or to withstand attacks by the Ukrainian forces, the problem that is that if this war continues indefinitely, the region will fall to a humanitarian catastrophe.”
This, from Strelkov, represents the voice of a people who will die rather than surrender. And it portends the ultimate presence in eastern Ukraine of Russian troops. For on the world stage, Putin will not be able to witness a humanitarian disaster without Russian tanks, helicopters and jet aircraft.
Here are two vignettes from Rejecting Poroshenko, east Ukraine rebels says fight will go on | Reuters:
Fighting continued around Slaviansk on Saturday and smoke could be seen rising above the surrounding forests.
Ukrainian armored personnel carriers and military transport vehicles lined the road leading into the city, and soldiers behind concrete blocks and sand bags trained their machine guns on cars and buses driving out.
Inna, 38, was leaving by foot with her mother and grandmother, carrying bags with food, water and clothes.
"All you hear is shelling and bombing. Yesterday entire houses burnt down. We've been hiding in the cellar for three days and we finally decided to leave. There is no water or electricity," she said.
AND:
While the government tightens its grip around Slaviansk, now encircled by the army, it appears to be losing ground in its easternmost region of Luhansk, where border guards have fled several bases after coming under attack.
Some 200 people protested against the presidential inauguration in the center of the city, some laying flowers on the sun-baked sidewalk in memory of eight people killed on Monday.
Residents say they died in an air strike from a Ukrainian plane which blew a hole in the regional administration building. The Ukrainian military denied this, blaming a misfire by separatists.
Broken glass and plaster crunched under the feet of the demonstrators.
"Our government is doing America's bidding. Poroshenko, we appeal to you to stop this - do you really want bloodshed?" shouted a red-haired woman to applause.
Frightened by the air-raid warning sirens that ring out over the city at night, Dmitry Grib, 20, said he was leaving for Moscow.
"I came to take a quick look before leaving," Grib said. "I don't trust him (Poroshenko). I didn't elect him."
But Olga Polovinka, who works as a medic in a charity for the homeless, said she was going nowhere. "This is our land. Why should we leave?" the 75-year-old demanded.
http://fredw-catharsisours.blogspot.com/2014/06/ukraine-updates-june-8-2014-eu-ukraine.html
It comes down to what former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said in response to the options America has in Ukraine: “We have no cards to play.”
Like his poition or NOT - he has given a clear coherent declaration of where he believes the majority of his region stands on Cultural and Ethnic Identity. Reality says that there is a large group of people in ukraine, who no longer see themselves as ukranian but as something they have always been - Russian. They are also willing to prove their point, at the point of the gun and civil war.
You can defeat this thinking at a high price, but you cannot negotiate and take from it what it does not want to give you.
Ukraine, Russia, the EU, US and the United Ntions, must become invollved in a way that blood is not shed on a large scale. Once Ukranian lives are lost on both sides and on a larrge scale, then human slaughter will be knocking at the door.
There is a depopulation factor in America and the world and they have great power. There is, almost, no chance this won't become a major war. In fact, Putin is the only hope we have.
STOCK UP. In war, there are shortages of everything and, this time, we'll, probably, be affected by it.
there's no depopulation. as much as people like to talk about how we're being 'depopulated', the population just goes up and up.
I agreed with most of what you said, until this...
"the EU, US and the United Ntions, must become invollved in a way that blood is not shed on a large scale."
That's exactly when large scale bloodshed will happen. How about the West should just shut their fucking mouths and stay home where their families need them?
Reading this reminded me of Sam Houston - if you think things are "screwed up" today, spend a few minutes reviewing:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/ricewrc/00111/00111-P.html
This will not end well for the West, ...BOOM...if you notice a bright flash don't look up!
ZeroHedge #FUKU
as always ...MOAR DATA
fc
There is an mindfucked asshole sitting in an office with several others behind a Dell monitor, under a fake name, logged into Zero Hedge, defending an insane policy concocted by dual citizens, Noodleman and Kagan. The agenda is not of benefit to the American people. The OP is to generate incredulity and hate toward the USA: in this regard it is very successful. Unbelievalby, taxpayers are paying for them to do this, paying for mercenaries, these disinformation agents, weapons, and worse.
Don't you know what your doing is wrong? If so how did it come to this? Get a spine. Just because you started down the wrong road, why do you continue?
rense.com had a comparison of a Russian woman carrying a large log, easily and, next to that picture was a group of American men, carrying, approximately, the same log with great difficulty. If it comes to hand-to-hand combat between Americans and Russians, it will be over in 5 minutes.
there is a documentary film on logging in the usa called sky pilot that shows american guys(from pre ww2) slinging logs onto a truck. it would take at least four current metro sexuals to lift the same log and they would be done after 4 logs.
http://crazyivanreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/americavsrussia.jpg
Check out the ball cap on the hip babushka. Wurd.
A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not (seem to) exist
Well, it won't be the first time a small military force has found itself up against a huge adversary, much more powerful than itself. Let's take Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan as recent examples. How often have I read the complaint "they hide their weapons and mingle with the civilian population"? Ukraine will get as bogged down in the same way other armies throughout history have when confronted with opponents who are operating on their home turf.
And yet each of those countries was destroyed and polluted (agent orange, depleted uranium, etc.), highlighting the cost born by the victims of Western aggression.
No one wins from this (especially the locals), but the Mind Kontrolled 'elites', who are so deeply resentful of all the satanic trauma they suffered as children, get to lash out at the world they subconsciously blame for not having done anything to save them when they were so small and defenseless...
Actual Ukrainian war activities, with and without translation, can be found at vineyardsaker.blogspot.com
Putin sucka. What you up and go tranny on us for? Show us some balls.
the way of the mindless brute is not always the best play.
in chess, sometimes pawns or even greater pieces need to be sacrificed.
As long as the eastern Ukrainian forces and Russian cadre target "the oligarchs" or "West's Puppets" then the insurgency will grow and flourish on both sides of the Dnieper as the economy goes sideways.
You have to frame the insurgency around the notion of regular people are getting poorer and more disenfranchised and that accepting the IMF debt is the same as being black, chained-up and being shipped off to American cotton fields.
Where is the Rus promise of 'Forty Acres and a Mule?" Not here, maybe because its the same billionaires after all. Jeez. It's almost like competing Greek Gods looking down from Olympus and debating the virtues of sheep.
Random mortar rounds and sniping in a nation that big just does not accomplish much accept brand you a terrorist on both sides. You don't have the same dysfunctional religious intolerance like the Balkens to drive instability. Sure you got the whole Tatar/Slav deal, but can you really muster a long term insurgency on that?
The targeted killing of some petty pro-west Ukrainian 'garch or IMF flunky will at least get a golf clap on Reddit, and resonate in Greece, Turkey, EU and elsewhere. Sometimes you just have to hit them in Paris, London or Brussels in order to leave a mark and ignore the neighborhood hooliganism.
What a waste all around.
There are only two sides.
You are either for debt slavery or against it.
Pick a side.
Any idea how much money this commander makes? How do they pay the rebel troops? What is their source of income?
Do you reckon they get subsistance pay, or do they make any real money?
from a historical point of view the support of ethnic cleansing of russians by jews who were saved by russians during ww2 is justification for withdrawing any sympathy for their plight during ww2. the modern jews(yuk, yuk) in power have exemplified themselves as just moar human scumbags.
Many Jews are opposed to the Nazi Kiev regime. And the Russian news talk shows (most of whom are Jewish) are covering exactly what is going on in Ukraine and asking for support for the oppressed.
my point is jews cannot claim some extraordinary empathy and sympathy is warranted by nonjews for the fate of jews during ww2 if they persist in acting like the people they accuse of hating them. they are just ordinary players in the history of mankind and should be treated as such. in other words, the holocaust museums and monuments are meaningless now.
Especially considering what they themselves are doing to the palestiinians
and my point is, if you're going to make the claim that jews engaged in ethnic cleansing of russians, PROVIDE A DAMN LINK or some evidence, or what you are saying is bullshit.
agreed, jews and russians are both unexceptional ordinary people.
Sheer Cock Tracer sheer Cock.
"ethnic cleansing of russians by jews who were saved by russians during ww2"
never heard of such a thing.
please provide a link as to what you're referring to?
Porky the US-puppet Pig Poroshenko announced yesterday that only the Ukrainian language can be used in Ukraine, despite that fact that the majority (and vast majority in South/East Ukraine) speak Russian.
This is a form of national suppression.
The Jews kill us, Slavs, again. We shall never forget...
you seem a bit confused about the situation.
it's the nato-backed nazis in kiev who are attacking the civilian population of east ukraine, they are not jews.
the new leader of the ukraine is a jew. he has officially called for ethnic cleansing and if you are american you support his call by proxy......because we elected these fools. i do, however, use the the word elected loosely.
wikipedia seems to disagree wtih you:
"Among the extreme right in Ukraine, it is taken for granted that Poroshenko is Jewish based on an unproven urban legend that Poroshenko's father was actually named Walzman until he adopted his wife's Yevgenya's last name.[12]"
further, even if that urban legend were true, he still wouldn't be jewish, as jewish heritage is matrilineal, not patrilineal.
so, basically, you're wrong.
poroshenko is an evil stooge of the usa, no doubt.
but don't spread your lies and claim that jews are engaging in ethnic cleansing, stick to the truth.
If you lived in a village with a pyromaniac would you encourage him? Worse if you lived in a village with a sociopathic mass murder would you put him in charge of your foreign policy and arm him?
Obama, fire Nuland, Wolfowitz, Brezinsky, and stop Rumsfeld/Cheney and their ilk. Stop listening to Soros. Stop listening to the Neocons and Bankers. Find advisors like Paul Craig Roberts and Ron Paul. Deescalate the multiple wars. Do what you got elected to do. Stop beeing spooked by the insane delusionals. Better check your personal physician, you're acting a little crazy with your goofy looks, pushups and weightlifting, mocking a nuclear armed world leader. There must be an America left when your term is up. Your pendulum has swung OFF its pivot.
Sorta looks like a negative image of Syria now.
US policy since Wounded Knee. Nothing new here.
What does Mr Strelkov propose to end the hostilities ?
See if Clint is up for a Firefox sequel and swipe a B-2 recently placed on the board.
"Firefox II - Tit for Tat"
Those of us who have walked the walked and have had boots on the ground can empathise with this commander.
FIBUA (fighting in built up areas) is hell on earth and you can be infantry, airborne, commando, special forces, any flavour of superhero, if 7.62 or 5.56 is flying around, you have hours literally in that environment to survive and the scars are with you mentally forever. The oppressors always suffer more and this commander is correct, the Ukranian forces had better have a good supply of body bags.
I often wondered why I served to be honest with you to defend a beast and a system likely to manipulate me to my grave. We have all been brainwashed and indoctrinated from a young age and when we have finished we look at a world that progressively worsens everyday, for what ?
So the west can have more debt slaves and a war for a single global idea, the big idea (President Bush Snr's words back in 1991) a New World Order that will never materialise. Until the dollar dies, until the petrodollar war has been lost expect this sickness to spread and the acts of the west to become more incredulous and desperate.
Sometimes you have to pity your enemy, but how do you pity oligarchs with endless dollars, the full might of NATO/CIA/Box 1750 (MI6) and OSCE monitors acting as a vanguard to prep attack essentially the Russian state in a proxy war using mortars, heavy artillery and air strikes against a civilian population ? It's beyond me ... Above my pay grade ... Lions led by donkeys. Be careful what you wish for.
Ukrainian infantry won't engage the guerillas head on simply because they are not being paid enough to die. No paid mercenary will engage a man who truly is defending his hearth and home, and has nothing else to live for, for any amount of money when he has a 50/50 chance of winning and dying.
Which leads me to the next logical conclusion, that the Ukrainian infantry is not composed of Ukrainians, but they are simply paid mercenaries of some nationality or another. Can you say Academi? aka Blackwater, aka worthless dogs?
If he was a real Ukrainian who actually hated the Russians, they would storm in and take whatever casualties were necessary. But they aren't storming guerilla positions, which means they are simply mercenaries that are not paid enough to die.
Gee, I wonder who would be paying them, as the Ukraine has no money....
Seems like a long way of saying "They've got big numbers, tanks and artillery, but poor training and no motivation, we've got defensible positions, some APCs and plenty of motivation." In sum, stalemate. Will the Ukrainian soldiers, who seem far from interested in shooting their own countrymen, persist at all stationed out in the woods when winter comes? If the rebels can last that long, it could be a Stalingrad replay. The assault, you will note, is pressed by a government apaparently without two pennies (or local equivalwent) to rub together and sponsored it must therefore be said, by the "humanitarian" US and EU who must have had pre-cognition of and indeed have authorised thus use of funds - sick bastards.
Putin, I suspect, foresees another incursion from the west going the way of Napoleon and Hitler.
I don't think it is a stalemate.
I think it is a siege.
They wait because waiting makes Strelkov consume his supplies, while their supplies grow.
The answer to the siege is the Sortie.
The real problem with Strelkov's position is that he is thinking like a conventional commander trying to hold ground.
As long as the populace believes in him - which will be in proportion to his successes, by the way - he doesn't need to hold the ground. He needs to achieve successes.
Strelkov's position is this:
-He is outgunned.
-He is under siege with no short term hope of a relief force.
-He has allowed the opposing commander to take away most of his mobility. Know what an immobile tank is? It is a pillbox that can be killed by two infantrymen with a grenade.
Unless Strelkov gets help from the outside, or metamorphasizes into Che Guevarra, he will be done in less than 60 days... and sadly, most likely in two weeks or less.
Very sorry. I believe in smaller, more diverse government. I believe in localism.
But he is not fighting in the way of a smaller force facing a larger one, and that is likely to get a lot of people killed.
They need to fight smarter.
This Strelkov interview is fascinating.
Firstly, I want to say that all the foreigners should get out of Ukraine.
But listen to what Strelkov is saying, "That is to say, they bombard us from long-range positions of absolute safety. All we can do is dig into the ground, ..."
READ GALULA.
He is not fighting like an insurgent commander. He is fighting a like a conventional Army commander. An insurgent wouldn't "Dig In" he would "melt away". Fighting in this way only works if you have advantages in material and firepower. Strelkov has neither. It appears he has chosen a very conventional strategy that does not fit his battlefield.
"...there are also 50-60 pieces of heavy artillery..."
50-60 pieces means at least two battalions of artillery alone, and probably a whole regiment.
Strelkov is trying to face down artillery as heavy as 240mm (the biggest in the US Army is 155mm) with .... MORTARS????
That's like sending Erkle to stand toe-to-toe with Mike Tyson!!!
The weakest part of an artillery unit is their ammunition dump. Artillery men get complacent about security, because they habitually have stand-off from the fighting. Strelkov cannot fight a counter-fire artillery war here. He is outgunned and ought to be fighting asymmetrically, if possible.
Don't fight the artillery. Fight the artillerymen.
"With respect to infantry, we are facing a ratio of approximately 5-6 to 1."
So what? This only matters if you go toe-to-toe.
He's foolish if he goes toe-to-toe. His men are willing to take risks the opposition is not.
The number of total infantry doesn't matter, only the number of infantry at a particular time and place.
Strelkov OUGHT to be creating conditions that force the opposing commander to spread his infantry out. Perhaps helping the Artillery with security?
Choosing where your enemy will be is the easiest thing in the world. You just have to take something he needs and put it in check. Then you know where he will be. He will be removing the check.
This lets a smart insurgent commander do things in all the places where then enemy IS NOT.
"And yet, they do not attempt to storm them. There is one simple reason why: they understand full well that they will suffer significant casualties."
This is total BS...though he is right to say it.
This is a seige. The reason they don't storm is because their supply lines are clear, while Strelkov has no supply lines. Every bullet Strelkov fires is one less bullet he has.
The reverse is true for his opponent. He should be doing things to make his opponent fight. Make them disburse to protect assets in several places so that he can mass against one of them. Harrass their supply lines... And most of all... don't let them sleep.
If Strelkov's methods are as they seem, he will lose.
He is a chihuahua trying to fight a pit bull head-on.
A successful chihuahua doesn't fight a pit bull to his face, but nips at his toes, doesn't let him eat in peace, and doesn't let him sleep.
A chihuahua's best weapon is his annoying barking.
Well, this article is a complete surprise. Who coulda node?
I gather from all this that, once again, as in its long past, there is no real Ukraine as a nation. I know one Ukranian, who became a citizen here several years ago under odd circumstances. Only one. College educated. Works small-time jobs here. Raised in a small town in the West there and family is still there. Visits every year. Speaks Russian as well as Ukranian (which seems to be broken into two nearly different languages) and tells me that this is commonplace over there. They all are baffled by this, but oddly passive, resigned to things, whatever happens. (Reminds you of every-day, ordinary Russians, doesn't it?) After all, what can ordinary people do about it? What is it all about? All due to outsider aggitators and financial interests, it seems. Cruel and deady to the Ukrainians, about whom no one seems to give a damn. Getting their country back without more death and suffering doesn't look like the main chance right now. Too bad. Idiotic. Tragic.