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Suspect Yells "Tell The Police, The Revolution Has Started" Before Shooting Spree In Las Vegas WalMart
UPDATE: Las Vegas Review reports 5 dead: 2 cops, 1 civilian, 2 suspects
Multiple shootings and at least one death has been reported after two people (a man and a woman) shot two Law Vegas police officers, stole their gear, and entered a nearby Wal-Mart. As KLAS-TV reports, police say witnesses told them the suspects took the police officers' gear and, as they were walking out of the restaurant after the shooting, they said, "tell the police the revolution has begun."
A police source reports one Metro officer is dead following a double shooting at a pizza restaurant Sunday near Nellis Boulevard and Stewart Avenue.
According to police, two people walked into a Cici Pizza restaurant at 309 North Nellis and appeared to target two Metro officers who were eating at the restaurant. One person shot one officer in the head. The second person shot the second officer. There is no word on the officers' conditions.
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The two suspects then left the restaurant and went into the Wal-Mart store across the street. Police have surrounded the Wal-Mart.
The officers’ conditions were not immediately available. The shooters were still at large as of noon.
Metro’s SWAT team is there. Police have cordoned off most of the store parking lot.
Both shooters were reportedly carring large bags, and a bomb squad was called to the scene. It’s unclear at this time what, if anything, was found in the bags.
By Noon, Metro SWAT team entered the Wal-Mart and by 12:02 claimed to have seen one body in aisle 11 at Walmart.
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said it is to hold a news conference shortly.
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Blue light special -- Aisle 4.
Oh wait, fuck me. Thats K-Mart.
"Clean up, aisle 11!"
Initial reports, aw fuck it, the perpetrators were white male, veterans, Tea Party patriots, who obviously believe President Obama is a muslim....
Martial Law in the corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is now a reality. Ordinary Americans do not have a single clue what this exceptional state of affairs implies, and those who were amassing guns and ammo will be the first ones to pay the consequences. The Sovereign has more than extraordinary powers that go beyond to what the already defunct US Constitution mandates (in reality this historical document was suppressed by the Act of 1871). Don’t forget that right now this corporation operates under emergency decrees (Title 50 of the United States Code: War and National Defense) since the US is in legal terms in a State of War - thus the Executive branch can now effectively implement wartime ordinances within its circumscribed territories and overseas possessions.
All of that may be true, but each pronouncement should be preceded with, ""Officials" will say that...."
The reality is that the public believes the status quo is law and legal. If tyrants move boldly because they have written 'authority' that they gave to themselves, is the public supposed to say, "OK, never mind. Didn't know you'd given yourself approval to rape me and my family in new and inventive ways. Get at it, buster!".
It would all be hilariously funny, the bit about the "revolutionaries" hating police eating pizza, except for one thing. In the real world, the families and loved ones of these people who were shot will not see them come home tonight, or any night, ever again. Kind of knocks the "funny" right out of it. My prayers and thoughts are with the loved ones of the slain.
Ancient wisdom: A step down the path of violence is a step one can never take back.
Jesus Christ : Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
A revolution should be by ideas and changing minds, not violence. Those stupid enough to call for violence will not live long enough to rue even that day.
Jesus also said:
“ and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household."
He also openned a full can of industial strength woop ass on the money changers and used the entire contents.
You can find quotes in the bible to support almost any idea.
Then again... Maybe those heavily armed open carry protestsors in Target store have a good point after all!
And Ob1, you're right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sell_your_cloak_and_buy_a_sword
You say you want a revolution..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg&feature=kp
Won't you please come to Chicago..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9OdC35v9g
Will we be fighting in the streets?? With our children at out feet??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q&feature=kp
Looking moar like our old songs are coming true again.
Because Nixon that mother fucker shit ball started this whole mess we're in now.
Fuck you Tricky Dick Head!
And Obummer is rapidly becoming the president Nixon wanted to be...
DaddyO
Michael Archangel doesn’t carry a sword to slice bread.
As we will all sorrowfully learn from Obama’s misbegotten dealings with the Taliban, you cannot negotiate with evil unless you understand that the compromise results in accepting evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)
Quote:
you cannot negotiate with evil unless you understand that the compromise results in accepting evil
So, the Taliban shouldn't be talking to US, then.
If the Revolution had really started this would of happened at Goldman Sachs offices on Wall Street. Untill then its just a false alarm.
Walmart, Goldman Sachs? Flipsides of the same coin.
My question is: Did they shoot a Walmart heir? Or just some slob who was suckered into managing at Walmart?
"the Taliban shouldn't be talking to US"
I do not think it is a good idea to negotiate with them.
http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&TheScorpionandtheFrog
That's because the Bible includes what retards said. Jesus was not a retard. You can trust everything he said including be prepared to defend yourself. He never preached aggression. He never preached lay down and die. Jesus could have smoothed things over by not telling the truth but that was not his nature. That is what he means by setting close people against each other. The world is filled to the gills with sick relationships between mothers and daughters, fathers and sons, and more when speaking the truth absolutely will lead to conflict. The quote is crystal clear to people that are in the light. It is confusing to those in the dark. The money changers incident was a direct attempt at reconciliation as his entire life was with mankind and our Heavenly Father.
Heck yeah, those CRUSADERS sure didn't turn the other Cheek LOL, more like they turned the longsword the other face around as it came back for another slash.
Wow. Stupid as a blonde. But you're not. are you? Those crusaders were in response to a plea from Constantinople after a bunch of Islamic pedophiles whooped ass at the battle of Manzikert. But you knew that too, didn't you.
What, the battle of Marzipan lol, yeah I fight over Danish teabirgers with Marzipan inside all the time. Listen take a moment and take a deep breath, relax, you get riled up too easily.
whew... Senior Moment says it all. Mind the blood pressure...
Did you know the EU won't even let them sell sharp swords? The craftsmen there are trying to convince people that swords were always dull and used for smashing instead. Talk about a continent circling the drain.
try minding the history books
Normally I like what you write. Sadly, this time I have to ask if you understand the distinction between aggressive and defensive? It appears you have confused the two.
It seems the Pope that told soldiers they could get to heaven and do whatever they want if they went on crusade (sounds familiar to several groups today), that Pope, was a retard. His words are recorded too but not in the Bible.
Double post
So what are you a glenn beck groupie?
Say, I wonder if one of the dead officers was involved in murdering Erik Scott?
"It is not disputed that police were called to Costco, and upon seeing Scott, demanded that he drop his weapon (this was recorded on the 911 call, as well as confirmed by a witness). As Mr. Scott reached for his holstered gun (which never left the holster) to drop his weapon, police shot him 2 times in the chest, 5 times in the back, killing him (more here).
The officers involved in the shooting were subsequently found to be “justified,”and of course were not charged with anything. No doubt this case raises many issues; the first one is that of the right to concealed carry. If you can be shot for “acting bizarrely” while posing no threat to anyone, then effectively, there really is no right to concealed carry. The right does not in fact exist if you have the “right to carry” but can be shot arbitrarily."
http://www.copblock.org/1004/erik-scotts-death-what-happens-in-the-lvmpd...
"We do not know precisely what was said in that important call, because the police have refused to release it. We do, however, know from police radio traffic picked up by a scanner that the guard had told police that Erik Scott was armed with a gun, was acting aggressively and erratically, and that he may have been under the influence of drugs.
It must have been a frightening tale: over a dozen police officers responded, along with a helicopter, ambulance, and competing incident command teams.
As the police began to form a massive perimeter outside, Costco managers began evacuating the entire store without apparently explaining why to anyone. As Scott and his girlfriend exited the store he was identified to police officers, who were waiting with guns drawn outside the front door.
A blog from Erik’s family described what happened next:
Erik turned to find three officers facing him, guns drawn, and all three shouting different commands: “Get on the ground!” “Drop your weapon!” “Keep your hands up!” Erik held his hands up, spoke calmly, told them he DID have a concealed firearm and a legal CCW and was an ex-Army officer. His girlfriend was screaming about Erik being a West Point grad, former Army officer, etc. Erik leaned to his left, hands still up, to expose the pistol, and repeated, “I am disarming; I am disarming.” Witnesses say he started to lower his right hand, palm OUT, perhaps intending to remove holster and gun together — but never got the hand below his shoulder, when one of the cops (believed to be William Mosher, who had committed a fatal shooting in 2006) shot Erik in the chest with a .45-caliber semi-automatic weapon. Erik dropped to his knees, clearly in shock, his face a picture of disbelief. He was shot a second time and collapsed. The rest is ugly. The three officers unloaded again, firing a total of seven hollow-point rounds. At least four, possibly five, hit Erik in the back, after he was on the ground and dying."
http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunned-down-in-vegas-what-really-happened-to-eri...
Or maybe this guy?
WINNEMUCCA, NV — After a successful run at the casinos in Las Vegas, a man carrying a large sum of cash fell victim to a thieving police officer on his way back to California. Without charging him with a crime or even giving him a speeding ticket, the cop seized 50,000 and let him go. This practice of highway robbery is perfectly legal.
Tan Nguyen was the lucky gambler who was stopped along I-80 in Humboldt County. Nguyen was stopped by Deputy Lee Dove for only going 3 miles per hour above the posted speed limit.
To establish the grounds for searching Nguyen’s vehicle, the deputy began to claim that he smelled drugs.
“I just smelled weed. I know I did. I know I smelled weed,” said Dove in the dash-cam video available from
No drugs were found in the subsequent search. But that was no problem for the deputy. He had discovered Nguyen’s money — $50,000 in cash and $10,000 in cashier’s checks.
“That’s not yours, is it?” the deputy asked.
“That’s mine,” Nguyen responded.
“Well, I’m seizing it,” the deputy declared.
Nguyen protested that the officer had no right to rob him. But Deputy Dove reminded him that government theft is legal in a police state.
“Everyday I do this,” said the Deputy Dove. “It’s all I do for a living. It’s drug interdiction and I get money.”
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/tan-nguyen-nevada/
So many questions. . .
Right to concealed carry? No citizen of this country has the right to carry concealed. Whenever you have to fill out forms begging permission, and then pay a fee, you are being bestowed a privelige, not exercising a right.
That is what pisses me off the most about these shootings (cops killing CCW holders). There is always a littany of qualifications about the individual being shot. Ex Military, West Point Grad, legal CCW holder, law abiding.
Easy to read the programming once you get in tune to it.
These stories reinforce our nanny state even in their bringing to light the bad things that result from it.
Should be: Killed after no crime was committed, officers arrested to stand trial.
These stories reinforce the system where we bow down and plead to exercise "rights" and the more bowing, the better we should be to exercise them.
pods
It's nice to see people getting it. Everyone paying attention over here?
-Chumbz.
Is this some weird form of satire? People have natural rights (or god-given if you're into that sort of thing) whether a government gets in the way or not.
Plus you're just wrong. I can carry concealed in my state without filling a form or paying a fee.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK
"I don't call it violence, I call it intelligence" - MLCM-X
"A revolution should be by ideas and changing minds"
Sorry, there's very little chance of that because you are dealing with how the brain is wired.
It's sheer naivety. Might makes right and violence rules the world. Everything else is wishful thinking by squeamish people. If you aren't prepared to use violence, then be prepared to accept your slavery at the hands of someone who will.
....... and what about the poor bastards in Wal Mart?
A decent start to a revolution is an organized group of thousands just sitting down and not cooperating with anyone for a specific period of time. How about 5,000 cars on the DC beltway just stopping and not moving for an hour. Then again in NY and then again in Miami and then again in LA and so on. There are dozens of ways to show power of the sheeple but it takes leadership and, sadly, there is none.
Non violent, coordinated non-cooperation is revolution and is the only way to really scare the shit out of TPTB. Shooting cops is simply feeding the sharks and very, very stupid. When you're in trouble and need help you call 911 and expect the cops to show up and rescue you and 99% of the time they will. Cops need to be recruited to be part of the movement. Again, no leadership. Today is a sad day. Very sad.
Exactly. I often wonder if some members of Fight Club are just as lacking on core principles as the typical idiot consumer on the street. And to your point, what's even worse is that these murderers, and their cheerleaders here, just gave the machine all the propaganda they need to twist and spin this and use it against us.
Do you think the machine gives one rat's ass more about those officers than some of these guys do? HELL NO! To them, it was an expenditure of "resources" in order to elicit a response which will be piled up past and future pretenses to shaft us all just a little deeper.
Idiots, there are idiots among us. Guess what? You and I are tainted as "guilt by association". Now everyone in the freedom movement will be painted with the same broad brush.
And some of the clowns here willingly walked right into it.
Exercising the freedom to dissent will give the excuse for the Government to shaft us deeper?
WE are idiots because we dissent to unwanton Police Abuse?
It seems to me that you are under the delusion that there is a POLITICAL SOLUTION.
Sorry. There are no Political Solutions. NONE. That should be apparent.
And if you are so much of a pusillanimous pissmeyer, fearing more Government intrusion, then perhaps you need to leave so that you will not be associated with those whom will fight for the Freedoms which you verbally espouse.
As for me I will continue to protest and oppose the incrementalism of the illegal activities of the Police and Government. Nazi Germany did not turn into a Murderous Dictatorship overnight. It was accomplished by increments with the public, MUCH LIKE YOU, FEARING what their Government would do next.
The price for Freedom and Liberty is paid in BLOODSHED. Since we were stupid enough to allow the encroachments then there will be blood shed to gain what is ours back.
If you are not MAN ENOUGH TO FIGHT for that which is rightfully yours then get the fuck out of here. Make sure that you keep quiet as you do not want your rulers angry with you. What a fucking pussy.
Relax Fido. It appears that Pavlov here has rang the bell and you have reflexively salivated.
Let's clear up a couple of things here and also dispel some mischaracterizations and hasty generalizations that you have engaged in.
This is a clear and concise difference between fighting for your liberty and murdering someone that may or may not pose a direct threat to that liberty.
The road to liberty does not start with a gun, but when guns are involved, they are usually at the end of the road to liberty. Those that start the process by opening up a with a salvo always end up in one of two camps: Dead and defeated, or successful and worse than the boss that they replaced.
Which one do you suppose you are?
Second, you're being a manipulative ass by insinuating that I think that a political solution is viable. I have said no such thing, and my opposition to shooting of police officers does in no way imply that think a political solution is viable. See my comments above. The gun is the last resort. Try reading the Declaration of Independence. You know, that thingy that you probably have referred to but may have never read? Check this out:
How bout' dat? "that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed".
Know what that means? It means that your fellow citizen will put up with a lot of shit, for a long time, until the time comes where he doesn't.
That time ain't here yet, and murdering officers because your kneejerk reflection is that these two men automatically represented the system, probably set that date back a bit. Your fellow man, because of these murderous twits and boobs like you cheering them on, may be "more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed", because once the corporate media spins this story, along with the element of the blogosphere sympathetic to the machine (HuffPo, Salon, ect) spinning all the comments like yours and your buddies here, well, your fellow man will be more accustomed to continue suffering under the present shit because they'll be more afraid of you!
Congratulations there Einstein. Real fucking political strategist you are. You're setting up for a fight, be it non-violent or violent, and you're alienating the very people that you need to win that fight.
Win the crowd and you win Rome. Yet these boobs and you are scaring the shit out of them. Brilliant.
Third, to reiterate again, you cannot reach a conclusion that those specific officers, by merely wearing a police uniform, are willfull participants in a crackdown on our liberties and our way of life. Do you know what their capacity is for understanding what is unfolding around them? i would say that less than 10% do, due to various circumstance, so their merely wearing a badge is not an admission that "they want to deprive you of your liberties". Nor does it imply that they are automatically authoritarian pricks (although many of them are). Do you know with certainty that they themselves believe that? Perhaps in their minds, before they were blown out of the back of their heads, they really did think of themselves as public servants, these two. Perhaps they did. But neither I, NOR you, will ever know. You didn't know their motives as officers.
Fourth. I do fear my government, and if you don't then you're an idiot. And on that thought, let me espouse on this: You should be smart enough to know that this is counterproductive. Read Sun Tzu:
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Why turn public opinion against yourself and those that carry the same principles of liberty as you? Why open up the liberty movement to spin, caricature, and mischaracterizations? Go read what you wrote to me? You sound like a raving lunatic to the average Joe. Secure us against defeat by never passing up an opportunity to shut your pie hole when the time dictates it.
To that effect, and germaine to the Sun Tzu quote, is also your last comment about my being "man enough to fight". Your enemy also believes in that quote, and right now its working better for him than for you. See, to convince others of the righteous path, you MUST have the moral high ground and your opponent the opposite. Right now you are in the wrong position. You and these nutcases are in the moral gutter and Uncle Sugar Daddy can take the moral high ground and parade you and the lunatics around as "a clear need for us to provide more security for the public to protect against those nutcases".
See, the machine NEVER passes up the opportunity to let the opposition defeat itself. To gain the moral high ground, you're gonna have to be shot at first. And that means starting off with a non-violent approach. Shut down the machine. Shout from the rooftops, convert, remind people over and over again of the latest transgressions. Agitate, but do so lawfully (lawfullly in the context of the natural rights of man. "man" in this context is proverbial, and applies to ALL of mankind, including those officers, and not just you) and with integrity and morality.
Get them to shoot at you for no good reason (Sort of what your loonie heros did here, see what I mean)? Let THEM start the bloodshed. Enough of us are already negatively conditioned (WACO, Ruby Ridge, Katrina, even OWS) to be sensitized to their bullshit. Let them start the fight, THEN, and only THEN, when the time is right, be prepared to go the mat. As far as being afraid of my government? You're goddamned right I am. And if you're not then you are either phony tough, or a simpleton.
I will take a political solution to bloodshed anyday of the week. And while I am under no illusion that this is at all likely, one must expend every non-violent solution possible until you can resist by this manner no more. For me, the 2nd amendment is the line in the sand, for I have studied history, and disarming of empire populations has ALWAYS led to genocide. That to me is as immoral and aggresive as being "shot at", although either one would work for me.
There is no shame in being fearful. There is shame in being a coward. There is a difference. See, COURAGE is action despite the presence of fear. Fearlessness without justification is delusion, and action for the sake of action, without careful thought and planning is recklessness. You're not brave, nor are you cunning. You're just a loudmouthed fool.
There's nothing wrong with preparing for the worst, but hoping and trying for the best. The preps are for if and when the later fail. There's nothing more idiotic than preparing for the worst and agitating for the worst simultaneously. Did your mother breast feed you acetone when you were a child? Jesus, you're an idiot.
You should go back to sleep. It would certainly help all of us out a lot. I hear Dancing with the Stars is on. Why don't you check it out? Re-runs of "Awoh, My Balls" are on. Just ask that guy "Not Sure" what channel it is on.
BTW Sherlock, you might want to consider excercising your freedom to dissent wisely, and with thoughtfulness, and not with a kneejerk (or pavlovian salivation).
So do us, the ones that might actually be able to make some inroads, a favor, and shut that juvenile fucking piehole of yours. It doesn't help the cause.
This is a clear and concise difference between fighting for your liberty and murdering someone that may or may not pose a direct threat to that liberty.
Isn't that what war is? Government Sanctioned Murder? How is an enemy combatant a direct threat to your Liberty when they, as a group, have conducted warfare against the populace? I can demonstrate this with video after video of violations against the citizens.
Anyone whom supports the state, whether it is immorally or materially (pays taxes, is employed by it, etc.), is a direct threat ot Freedom and Liberty. The state has become far too corrupt.
"The best defense is a good offense." ~ Don Coryell, San Diego Chargers Coach.
You can pose as a Libertarian (which will not work as a solution because it does not force others' compliance as well as most choose their captivity) but you are nothing more than a statist.
I will continue to write and speak out. I will continue to EDUCATE the people about the methods of asymettrical warfare.
There is no political solution. Anyone that buys into that is strongly deluded.
I am not a "Libertarian", or affiliated with any political party. I think for myself. I think this gov't is corrupt to the hilt, owned lock stock and barrel by monied interests, and I also believe that it is going to get worse before it gets better. You may just get that blood in the streets that you are looking for, but I think that it will be guys like you who start it, and guys like you who's blood is spilling into the sewer drain. I pray for otherwise.
You need to have patience. Another 2008 wiil happen, that's baked into the cake. You need the crowd on your side, and then they will do most of the work for you. No, I don't think (not positive, but I don't think) there is going to be an internal shooting war. I think it wil unfold more like 65'-72', or the early 20th century, where a critical mass says enough!, and you'll see massive unrest. Like the others past, there will be plenty of blood spilled, and some positive changes will come from it, but so will some negative changes. If you attempt to initiate it with bloodspilling, then I see nothing good coming out of it and only a worse outcome than when it started. You need to have patience, and let the machinations of human nature run their course.
Ghandi had far more courage than both you and I put together. I never said don't resist, and Ghandi, contrary to popular myth, never said anything about not defending yourself, but he did advocate non-violent change, non-violent disobedience, and followed Sun Tzu's axiom of letting his opponent destroy himself. And it worked. It takes guts to NOT lash out. It takes a thinking man to outsmart his opponent without it turning in to a brawl. IMO opinion, it takes more guts to be active in change without firing a shot than the later.
What we say here has no impact on what the MSM says but can help break peoples' naive idea that the cops are primarily about helping people, when in fact the cops are primarily about enforcing TPTB's orders, and hence need to be overwhelmingly corrupt (or at least willfully blind and bought) in order to be able to survive, let alone flourish and rise in those ranks.
The MSM's anti-truther propaganda was already a given and I don't feel responsible for any of it.
BUT: I know IP addresses are tracked and I always post with the understanding that I am legally responsible for what I write and that only a dummy would call for anyone's murder, especially a sacrosanct 'authority's, even though society might arguably benefit from such happenings...
Don't ever fall for entrapment, especially since there are far better solutions out there than terrorism, in any real case!
I gotta agree with you and macholatte. This isn't the beginning of the revolution, it's just two more pathetic excuses for human beings being the kinds of assholes this culture seems to excell at creating.
This is like the Bundy ranch fiasco where the wingers get all riled up then discover that the person they wanted to turn into a hero was a lunatic all along. It'll be upsatged by the next violent lunatic(s) who do something violently stupid in a few weeks. It's just one more step in a long stairway down for this culture as a whole, not a political movement.
Cliven Bundy is no lunatic. The fact that you say he is only demonstrates how irrelevant your thoughts are.
Pro cop
Anti cop
All of you watch this: http://youtu.be/RVmGWLsn0iM
Both my parents were LEO's.....
It's a different breed out there...
He'll, it's a different species...
You had me until you cited the thought-terminating cliche "right-wingers". There is no true right-wing, nor is there a true left-wing. These are invented antipodes. Constructs created to divide the nation and keep each side at each others throats and their eyes, ears, and minds away from the real issue: The American Aristocracy.
The Aristocracy are members of both the liberal and conservative camps, Republican and Democrat, Capitalist and Socialist. Yet they are your enemy, but you let them lead the camp that you belong to, that you identify with.
Why do you let this happen to you? Please, think about that. Thanks.
Maybe Janet Reno can mobilize and burn all of Nevada next time? Only to let millions in who do the same thing??? Weird.
dude they are doing this anyway-you seem to think this gov. responds to public opinion-they don't care-they have an agenda they are going to implement."guilt by association"?!? we are all guilty based on the NSA metric. And because of this anyone who defends the establishment or so called "rule of law",well,people just assume they are one of Akhenaten's "electronic warriors"...
Why would anyone in the so called freedom movement commit murders like this and the suicide? This was just senseless violence.
Let's see the medical histories and other evidence before passing judgement.
That's the way it has to be sooner or later. Better the kids of a retarded NWO cop than mine.
Muricans still eat at Cici's? Got to be kidding me. Like those "public servants" would be around for long anyway.
Which is exactly what Solzhenitsyn was talking about.
There may have been humans underneath all that tactical warfighter gear they carry nowadays, but once you put on the uniform, you are just a uniform.
This event, assuming it isn't a false flag, is a natural reaction to the increasing levels (once incremental, now going exponential) of police brutality in this country. The brutality is particularly strong in LA, LV, and Albuquerque. Not too surprising there was a reaction somewhere in the Southwest.
True and agreed. Of course, this assumes they were actually shot and that the shooters are actually who the media is claiming them to be, and that they commented about the revolution is not in question.... Hell, my opinion of the media and official news is so off the charts negative that I even quetion if the restaurant was really a pizza place. So, you're right... if all that is right.
You think too much.
I could take your comment in varied diections, so I'll ask if we should just take this at face value?
After you've had your eyes ripped wide open, thinking too much becomes the natural outgrowth, wouldn't you say...
DaddyO
it is the mark on an educated man to be able to entertain an idea, without necessarily accepting it.
You think too little.
Or maybe those cops could have come home tonight if they weren't complicit in covering the crimes of fellow cops or abusing the rights of their fellow non-LEO citizens and not being the boot licking lackeys of their corporate overlords? Sorry, I have zero sympathy for dead cops. Good cops that look the other way when covering up abuse by fellow cops are JUST as guilty as the cops doing wrong. Google up what happened to Erik Scott in Vegas and how police immediately seized the video from store surveillance and then it was mysteriously destroyed while in police custody. Cops across this nation can go fuck themselves. They deserve everything coming their way.
Bullshit. They are people too. Do they have authority? You bet. Do some of them abuse it? Definitely. Do I like that false authority? No way. I'll fight that in the voting booth. But I have seen many of these people killed trying to stop what they have been trained is a threat to the general population. And many of the perps are. Hell, those perps are the reason most of us have weapons as civilians. Dont throw all cops under the bus.
They are humans, and I've met a couple good ones in my brief time so far on this planet (hopefully I still have 2/3rds to go), but like I said earlier: Once you put on the uniform...you become just a uniform.
I see a badge. I see a gun that could potentially kill me, if for no other reason than a 'roid-raging toughguy who barely graduated high school simply felt like it one afternoon. I see a supervisor writing a report saying that it was justified. I see an officer on fully-paid administrative leave enjoying some beers for a couple months while my family grieves.
What do you see when you see cops?
I think it was last June when I posted on here (as W74) about being drug out of my car and thrown against a fence. I had respect for cops UP UNTIL THAT POINT. What will it take for others to see?? Will I attack a police officer tomorrow? No. But I won't shed a tear for their dead, and when they block an entire city's traffic for a day I won't salute their caskets.
I happen to know a lot of em. And someday you might be surprised that when you really need someone if all hell breaks loose, against the powers that be, some ex-cops have your back.
But the backs of their pension plans comes first, before anyone else's life
Totally agree with you and some of these comments make me sick. These guys were eating, and someone came up to them and murdered them in cold blood. Yeah, yeah, I know "abusive cops deserve it.. yada yada...". First off, were THESE the cops of fame on various Youtube videos? Second, do you practice what you preach? Due process? Suppose they were abusive cops. Does that warrant an execution of someone's father, son? Due process for you, but not for your abusers, even assuming that they were cut of that stripe. Remember, more than half the cops would defect in a SHTF situation and many because I believe that many are decent human beings. Due process, equal justice for all. Say it, mean it, or STFU. But for God's sakes, don't cheer on exactly that to which you despise. (Not talking to you per se, just responding to some of these so-called "funny" comments).
The sword cuts both ways.
I see merit in your points. I see merits in the other side's points.
Frankie, How many cops were there when eric scott got his due process?
I'm not cheering, but I sure as shit ain't crying.
No problem then with these guys getting whacked because other cops denied Eric Scott his due process? WTF? Seriously, WTF? Listen, I hate bad cops every bit as much as the next guy, but you simply cannot assume that these were bad cops AND, if you engage in their behavior then what does that make you?
Well, just like them I suppose.
May your boot licking cop sucking chains rest lightly upon you.
That is why I asked how many cops were there (Eric Scott) I think it was reported in the teens, all them officers and not one good one?
I will assume that atleast one of the officers killed has worked with or was present when the many questionable officer involved shooting took place. It is well documented the LVPD is known for excessive force. When was the last officer in LVPD ever convicted of anything? How many beatings have they doled out, how many killings, and you want me to assume most are good......not me,
Don't know who said first, but I believe "IF there were any GOOD cops, there would be no BAD ones." It compounds with "All that evil needs to flourish, is for good men to do nothing" to leave me with zero trust of any law enforcement officer.
This exicution style is certainly not the solution, but one could hardly be surprised, or feel a sense of loss for the police victims. Do they believe their actions will come without consequence, eventually people will step up to them. You certainly cannot believe that they are innocent by-standers?
Michael Corleone-But what if he's a dirty cop?!"
Dirty cop = redundant
"Remember, more than half the cops would defect in a SHTF situation..."
Prove it. Cite some statistics other than your belief.
Theosebes Goodfellow - I agree. I found the jokes very distasteful. We'll have to see how this story develops but I have seen a lot of stories come out of Nevada about the heavy handedness of the police.
NH became a police state, using cops as tax collectors on the road and in family law. It makes you feel like you can't breathe and don't want to go outside. State policy has much influence how local police forces implement policy for better or worse.
I moved over the border into Sanford Maine in 2005 because of that. I cannot tell you how much I appreciated my local police force. The city manager found ways like recycling to increase revenue witgout adding more cops and cut some services. In 2012 I walked into the city manager's office and since the city was lean on its newspaper I offered a digitial publication for free for the city to better connect the community in many ways. I was offered a payed contract and had a meeting with the police chief on patrol efficiency using software. The point being citizens will step up to repair damage done at the federal level but not with a police state.
The police state in NH has activist female judges. I had a civil case which was defaulted by this activism, it encouraged citizens to sue employers because the state would collect fines this way. While I could afford to pay (was a very large amount) I moved to Florida on principle so it could not be collected.
Florida is heavy handed on the traffic fines like NH. When I moved here and got divorced the ex was supposed to pay auto inaurance and didn't. I was pulled over for no insurance. Here if you don't have insurance and get pulled over they revoke your license and you need an SR-22 like a drunk. Now on not having insurance I am to blame I am responsible for this lack of oversight. But consider SR-22 required for basic liability $185 a month (and I have a clean record at 43) which is due upfront every six months. I must have it for two years. So between the extra $100 a month insurance and the restoration fee which was a couple hundred this fine cost $2,600. I can afford to pay it. But what the hell does a guy barely making it on $11 an hour do if they have one slip up like me? He cant get to work so loses the job and instead of paying taxes goes on welfare.
I will never assist the state of NH or Florida. Police states destroy confidence. Wasn't confidence a big part of what all the debt and extend and pretend at the Federal Reserve was supposed to help with?
I vote with my feet. If I need to live on a boat or overseas to be free that is what I will do. But shooting enforcers solves nothing. By the way, the atate of NH went bankrupt in 2011 so I wager within a decade or so the policies there will be different. Police states always go bankrupt or change whe. enough people vote with there feet. If it remains national (which is unfortunely seems the case) I'll leave the country to be free. I am not the criminal type. But if I am treated as one to collect taxes after this wave of corruption from the top to bottom its time to seriously consider options.
All sovereign states were created by the history of warfare. Those War Kings then segued into the Fraud Kings. Nothing is new, except the technologies becoming trillions of times more powerful and capable, due to profound paradigm shifting progress in basic sciences. All governments are fundamentally military, and have always been. They are basically organized systems of lies, operating robberies, which have become more sophisticated as financial frauds, but not fundamentally different.
Civilization has basically been "human farming." That was always necessary after other forms of farming developed. The modern world could be described as industrialized human farming. Martial law would merely be slapping people more forcefully in the face, to get their attention that that was the case. However, it is crucial to realize that martial law will not work. Instead, it is practically guaranteed that the chain of command will fragment, and all of the power created to control then just drive far worse collapses into crazier chaos.
In sublime theory, a democratic republic operating through the rule of law is still the best way to operate industrialized human farming, which must necessarily exist in some form or another, with its death controlling murder systems at the core of everything else. However, the degree of success of the ruling classes in brainwashing the masses they rule over precludes that from becoming a practical possibility.
This kind of news story is NOT about "revolution" but about more of the crazy collapse into chaos, driven by civilization becoming systems of industrialized human farming that operate through the maximum possible deceits and frauds about themselves. Any genuine "revolution" ought to be based on intellectual scientific revolutions, so that the basic purposes of the death controls can be understood better, and therefore, accomplished better, through greater uses of information, enabling higher consciousness. However, thousands of years of the history of successful warfare based on deceits, and then successful finance based on frauds, has made it politically impossible to have any rational public discussion of the basic death controls, backing up the debt controls.
There is no doubt that the USA is headed towards imposing democidal martial law, as the dominant gang of criminals that control the government attempt to consolidate their control. However, there are no good reasons to believe that they will be successfully implementing that agenda, rather than have things spin out of their control, as the reality of runaway debt insanity is headed towards death insanity.
A better industrialized human farming is the only possible solution which would be consistent with the long-term survival of civilization. Ideally, that would happen because citizens would understand that they were members of an organized crime gang, or a military organization, called their country, and thereby start to face the chronic political problems which are inherent to the nature of life in a more coherent way. However, the currently established systems are the expression of the triumph of the maximized deceits and frauds, which make more radical truth about themselves almost infinitely problematic. Therefore, at present, not only do many Americans not understand that they are ALREADY inside of a basically military organization, but they also do not want to understand the basic realities of the murder systems, which are central to the industrialized human farming systems that they are actually living inside of NOW!
This has some cute word play, but the basic view of people as livestock is the critical flaw. By whose standards does one judge one's livestock? Perhaps my standards differ from yours. Perhaps those in charge are actually the worst among us. Those who call themselves the architects are actually the world's greatest destroyers, preventing others from reaching potentials at odds with their own. Wouldn't you rather make and take down your own enclosures?
As the US being a free range cattle field it is had to get the rest of the herd to see that they are indeed enclosed so identifying the enclosure can be a difficult task to accomplish.
The American Zombie Sheeple are cattle to the degree that they allowed themselves to be treated like that. Since they were up against the best organized gangs of criminals, with thousands of years of practice in human slavery systems, the degree to which they have allowed that to happen has become more and more substantial.
One can say that it started with the European invasion of North America being able to conquer, genocidally wipe out, and assimilate the surviving natives. Surely, many people make the points that the ways that the American government treated the natives was the pattern followed thereafter by many others. One could also say that continued when Africans were brought to America as slaves, and kept that way for quite a long time, with their "emancipation" being a very tentative and dubious process.
Those two treatments of natives and blacks were the backbone to the preparations for the current systems. The main difference now is that the white middle class people are more and more finding out that they are NOT in "the club," of the pyramidion people dominating their society. The white middle class used to more readily have false class consciousness, and tended to more easily believe in a lot of the bullshit about what America was supposed to be, which it never really was as completely as they may have thought. Now, that the middle class is being wiped out, and the social polarization is increasing, more and more people are discovering that they are being treated like natives, or slaves, or the other long list of various people who have been similarly treated.
My view continues to be that there are chronic political problems inherent to the nature of life, and that the currently established sets of solutions were developed by the history of warfare based on deceits, so that those solutions are operated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, while they are opposed by controlled opposition groups, that are similarly lying hypocrites, because they are never honest about the necessary death controls, to back up the debt controls. Therefore, the vast majority of people fail to provide effective resistance, as better dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized systems of lies, operating robberies. Instead, the ruling classes have become too successful at their long practiced and increasingly scientific methods of mind control. I have no doubt whatsoever that "those in charge are actually the worst among us!" However, they are enabled to be so much like that because those ruling classes DO rule over people who are mostly Zombie Sheeple, who are exhorted by the Black Sheeple to believe in impossible ideals as the basis of the "solutions" to those problems, which always backfire badly in the real world, and cause the opposite to actually happen.
Clearly, the basic problems are the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life. It is absolutely impossible for everyone to "reach their potential." People are necessarily going to be prevented from reaching their full potential by other people. Throughout history that was mostly done by resorting to warfare, which outcomes then determined the economic systems thereafter. Thus, the current systems are the enforced frauds, which manifest the existing combined murder/money systems.
My view is that not only are there established systems which have run amok and become insane, due to the paradox of too much success at controlling society with legalized lies, backed up with legalized violence, but also, the controlled opposition groups to those established systems are just as much a part of those social systems, because they tend to never address the perpetual chronic political problems. Therefore, we actually have death controls being operated through the maximum possible deceits, which definitely includes the generally accepted bullshit that there should not be any conscious death control systems. That impossible ideal, of course, actually assists the deceitful death controls to continue to be operated, and to never be effectively resisted.
Industrialized human farming, that treats people as livestock, is always DE FACTO. Its source was the history of warfare, as the manifestation of the double-bind Catch 22 situations that those who could not be stopped were not stopped. That situation has become almost infinitely more problematic by advances in science and technology, so that the frauds are electronic, or even automatic, while the threat of violence to back those lies up come from weapons of mass destruction. That is why I say that we need a series of profound intellectual scientific revolutions in the ways that we think about political economy and human ecology, which can work through understanding better how and why we have ended up with systems that operate through the maximum possible deceits and frauds. However, such an intellectual scientific revolution does not end up promoting false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, which all of the co-opted, controlled opposition, old-fashioned religions and ideologies have been promoting.
That is why I regard stories like this one above, which state that people killing police was somehow the start of a "revolution," to be ridiculously wrong. A good "revolution" is a re-evolution, which should primarily become convergence and creative synthesis of ideas. At the present time, the degree to which BOTH the rulers, and those they rule over, agree with a basically bullshit world view makes such an intellectual scientific revolution practically impossible. But nevertheless, the EXISTENCE of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs, is still there, and automatically getting worse, faster, which may well drive transformations that MIGHT make more people think more deeply about their problems.
I keep on saying that people should not learn to be better sheep, they should learn to be better wolves. I say that one must accept that facts that governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, in order to be possibly able to develop better organized crime, as better government. Of course, at the present time, I recognize that almost nobody else wants to see that as the way thing are, and therefore, the way that realistic solutions must be done. Instead, the vast majority still are clueless Zombie Sheeple, who do not understand the real social facts, and do not want to, while they are exhorted by Black Sheeple to wake up to those facts, to some degree, but then miraculously realize impossible ideals as the "solutions" to those problems.
Unless the human species gets wiped out so thoroughly that no more civilization whatsoever survives, then we are stuck with the existence of industrialized human farming as the basic ways that we will continue living. I regard human beings are necessarily forced to be political animals, whose problems have become trillions of times worse due to progress in science and technology, inside of social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence. Theoretically, that could be done better if more people understood that, and participated better in those processes. However, in practice those systems are now being done through the maximum possible deceits and frauds, with both the ruling classes and their controlled opposition groups, constantly making those problems get worse, faster. The grand canyon paradoxes of a society that has made scientific progress, enabling awesomely advanced technology, which is still fundamentally organized by lies, backed by violence, is growing, and getting more problematic every day!
Human realities are always necessarily organized lies, operating robberies. We should face that basic scientific view of civilization, and work upon our real problems using that approach to understand those problems. The biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which are shared by both the ruling classes, and their controlled opposition groups, and therefore, the vast majority of the population, are all based on false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals, which constantly backfire badly, and make the opposite happen in the real world. The actual crucial solutions to our problems are necessarily better death controls. However, given that the currently operating death controls are done through the maximum possible deceits, while those are opposed by people who assert that their should be no death controls at all, we are stuck in ruts, which are getting deeper and deeper, while, at the same time, the debt controls that those death controls back up are also stuck in their ruts too. Tragically, at the present time it appears that we will have to first wear the bottom of those ruts out, and fall through those collapses into crazy chaos, BEFORE any other alternative solutions to our chronic political problems MIGHT have any real opportunities to emerge ???
Nice. I hope people take the time to read rather then argue about religion. As they say: divide and conqueor.
My problem is: I do not believe people want to understand this, or more problematic they know this to be true and ignore it.
You are talking from an advanced level that most will simply disregard because they do not have the ground work to agreewith you. They are also going to be turned off by the term 'human slavery system', because they do not know what you mean. They will also find it difficult to believe they are part of it, as it shatters their existence and lifts the veil.
None the less, you are not the only one that feels this way. Try not to loose to much faith. Find like minds. I know it is difficult. (Start a club. Seriously.)
Like minded individuals will be the only way we progress. Spread knowledge and love. (And an unmeasurable amount of patience, everyone is at a different level...)
No argument here, not to anything either of you have stated. It's called a Pyramid for a reason, and organized religion is just another aspect. Acculturation is the chief means by which technocrats squeeze us into our cages and hold us there. But there is such a thing as Peak Bullshit, measured in part by the level of debt in a society and loss of the ability to carry out basic functions. We're nearly there. Peak Oil might be a force for emancipation, as it inhibits globalism and the organization of humanity into unnaturally large groups under central control. (Very ironic how collectivists hijack the word "sustainability" for Agenda 21, essentially a drive to perpetuate oligarchy by building smaller, "denser," more "walkable" cages.)
Radical Marijuana
Excellent comment thank you +100
Thanks, inky, although, to be frank, in light of the previous replies above, I would have to admit that I am like a surfer on the waves of Peak Bullshit!
Indeed, that the present time, the only things I appear to actually be able to try to do is "Fight Bullshit With Bullshit!"
shooting cops just pushes them more into the arms of tptb..they need to see the light :P
Actually, history shows that it makes them not want to show up to work so much.
That's what Solzhenitzen said:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?
Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
hahaha! how much farther into the arms could they be?! they love the tyranny.
Exactly. One has to wonder if there are not a few agent provocateurs in the crowd here because no one can possibly be this stupid, can they?
Forget that, I know the answer. There is a flock of sheep existent within Fight Club that mocks the sheep, but they too are a flock wearing different colored wool. So, it could be combination of both, agitators and mindless idiot sheep of a different wool blend.
yup false flag and another reason they will bleat about gun laws.
It really is time to start shooting the policy sorry Police and treat them as the scum they are.
You're an idiot.
Edit: Down vote away ya fuckin morons. Yeah, let's have a bunch of armchair Rambos spouting off about smokin' cops. Utter stupidity.
"The hot-sauced buffalo wings pizza made them do it," their lawyer told reporters.
Black and white thinking is invariably the mark of a limited intellect. So yes, the term "idiot" applies here, although I prefer the much more endearing terms of contemptment like "bimbo" (unisex) or "simpleton".
There's nothing more sporting, or entertaining than witnessesing a knuckledragger go all non-linear on you.
BTW. You got a +1 from me.
"Blue light special -- Aisle 4.
Oh wait, fuck me. Thats K-Mart. "
Yeah, K-Mart is so close to dead they don't even warrant being used as a symbol for the start of the revolution.
hunting
at walmart...
If they don't weigh more then 300 lbs and limp onto one of those scooters, they'll be spotted in a minute.
It has. What apparently the "revolutionaries" missed was that this revolution is to be different. Think of this revolution as the kind that can survive under a boot on the neck.
FGB
Those who rejoice in the misfortune of others are destined to suffer the same fate.
Sez who?
I guess they mean the false flag revolution.
six week cycle
When it starts... something tells me Las Vegas will not be the place.
The Bundy Ranch is in Clark County, NV, and very close to Las Vegas. That is where the US Government stood down and withdrew first.
Don't screw with the independents in Nevada. (In Reno is where the San Francisco/Sacremento Liberals hang out.)
Virginia will be the place. That is where the center of the Fed funded
police state is at.
Revolutions happen from the periphery inwards towards the center of power. Only a fool attacks where the power is concentrated. The attack is upon the weakest points first. You ought to read Sun Tzu, The Art of War. You can bet that they have.
Nope. Virginia will be amongst the last to fall.
Or someone is mad as hell and is not going to take it anymore..
A couple of brain dead morons go off the deep end, most likely under influence of psychotropic pharmaceuticals, and they want to call it a "revolution?"
At least they are doing something, kill enough chicken shit (I feared for my life ) pigs and the world will be a better place , after the cops go so do Bankers.
Cops are a standing army - an occupying force.
Did anyone think Chris Dorner had a lot of guns? Even off duty police have more fire power than everyone except perhaps the military.
Not shooting innocent people. And Then shooting themselves, What a couple of dumb asses.
More MK ULtra
Coming to a neighborhood theater, school or marketplace near you.
James Holmes, and how the CIA hid their MKULTRA mindMust be some gun control legislation coming up for a vote and the public doesnt seem outraged enough to give 'em the cover to pass it.
Have they confirmed an AR-15 was used yet?
Somehow I don't think that this is the kind of thing that will generate a lot of sympathy for gun control---- just saying-- maybe only a sign of the times.
"The revolution will not be televised" or announced ! Just some crazies demonstrating how fragile our society is to crazy.
The staged revolution WILL be televised!
Clean-up in aisle 8
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Yet another missed memo...
Take out the first line in the corrupt system!
They missed one; with a head shot. inexcusable. always use a double tap. "Our heroes" surround the store and wait for the killers to run out of ammunition. "Protecting the Public".
This kind of horror seems to be popping up all over, and you joke about it? You absolute, godforsaken fool. Pray for the families of the victims.
The tide seems to have turned... not a lot of sympathy left for cops.
The tide is out and smelly here on ZH.
Violent Crimes and Gun Homicide rates way down. American's ignorance of these trends... way up.
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/51247-violent-crime-and-gun-homicide-rat...
Fair point, although I maintain that we will see more tragedy as conditions get worse. The part here that gives me the creeps is the number of posters who seem to take the view that all cops are bad and violence is not only acceptable but preferable. At a time when the legitimacy of government at all levels is in question, such sweeping generalization seems unwise, to say the least. When SHTF, wouldn't it be nice to have some decent law abiding police officers on your side? Or would you rather just blow 'em all up and "Let God sort 'em out?" I don't share the experience of American posters, but it sure seems stupid from my POV. Ghandi said "Be the change you want to see in the world." If the only relationship you can see is one that is purely adversarial, then you make it inevitable.
Cops are people, so are soldiers. Most of them just doing their job. The posters who call for wasting them are wrong on so many levels.
1. We need folks who are willing to do what they do. Even if it is only to protect life and property.
2. The skill set they have is valuable as well. Organization, leadership, the training, all has value when it is not being abused (I say that to give the benefit of the doubt that some of the posters have been abused).
3. Over generalizing about ANY group is never wise. I bet there is an innocent banker out there, somewhere!
4. Many of them are our family or friends.
5. Talk like that makes the website a creepy place to hang out and post.
6. If you really did want to engage in this behavior, you are a stupid fuck for saying it out loud.
7. Because of item 6, if you are saying it out loud, you are either trying to stir crap up, out of ignorance, and you need to be told to chill the fuck out or you are someone setting a trap and trying to get people to say or do stupid shit.
Talking like that about offing cops has no value on any level. Ghandi is cool, but this issue is really a pragmatic one.
You make some valid points, also you must know most folks have never had a run in with the law, save a traffic ticket. You should realize that having a badge exempts many law enforcement people from criminal and or immoral behavior and they know it.
Laws do not prevent violence. The police officer is just as exempt from violating morality as the criminal who does not get caught. The criminal knows this also.
Laws only provide penalties for those whom are caught violating them. Even one third of the people whom commit murder get away with it. Look at the conviction rates for murder.
The problem is that the police ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR MISDEEDS. The taxpayer ends up paying the price. This leads to the RESENTMENT that is being voiced on this forum.
That is the REASON you read "kill the cops" and other statements of non support. When Government allows the misdeeds to go unpunished then the legitimacy of the Government is questionable at best...MsCreant.
If one places their faith in Law then one has misplaced his faith as there is truly no justice in this life or the one that follows it. I thank God for mercy as that is what I will be asking. If it were justice then I face Hellfire as all it takes is one unforgiven sin to earn your way to destruction.
"The problem is that the police ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR MISDEEDS."
Yep...and, as often as not, the perpetrators are instead richly rewarded for their 'misdeeds' by the state via pay increases, promotions, enhanced retirement benefits and extra vacation time... all of which is paid for by funds which have been stolen and/or extorted from their former, current, and potential victims.
We are rapidly approaching a tipping point where the percentage of the population that recognizes the 'justice system' for the farce that it is attains critical mass. When enough people finally realize that 'playing by the rules' effectively negates any attempt to obtain genuine justice, the 'rules' are going to be rolled up into a nice tight cylinder and shoved into the neck of a petrol filled wine bottle- which will then be used to fire up the self-mobile pork roast hiding out in that APC rolling through their neighborhood.
... there is truly no justice in this life or the one that follows it. I thank God for mercy as that is what I will be asking...
I think what you may be saying is there will be no injustice in the life that follows our few orbits around the sun. Justice has always, is and will ever be accomplished. The law on the other hand has already "been nailed" to the cross. Picture how different your own life would be if you had already died and were now living in the world, kinda like Neo at the end of one of those Matrix movies. Multiply the cinematic experience of imperviousness and you'll find the life that's been promised to believers in Christ.
Now you can understand how for centuries Christian martyrs pled with their captors not to execute them, not because they feared physical death, but because they believed their murderers would spend eternity facing God's wrath and not His mercy.
You may also begin to understand the mentality of the founding fathers of the US governmental system. Without this "key", our system will continue to appear weak, stupid and worthy of nothing but contempt as our voluntarily (s)elected officials believe the offices they temporarily occupy entitle them to less scrutiny of their actions rather than greater.
Our problems as a nation are systemic, not topical.
jmo.
Great post.
There is no legal obligation for them to look out for your well being or the well being of your property. (DeShaney v Winnebago and Castle Rock v Gonzales) It is your responsibility to protect your life and your property.
I may be a bit jaded living near Albuquerque, but it seems that the skills that most of the cops have these days is to come in with vastly overwhelming force and smash things. Are there exceptions? Yes, even in Albuquerque PD. Their mounted patrol is decent, but, for the most part, you do want to avoid interaction with APD cops, especially when they are on duty.
Generalizing about a group is wise when the majority of the group either acts in a certain way or looks the other way when a large chunk of the group acts in a certain way. Police are rarely held accountable for their actions when they screw up because of that thin blue line. I have little sympathy for them.
My experience is that a lot of them tend to hang out with other cops, but yes, that is one of the aspects that make civil wars and revolutions so messy. Neighbor against neighbor. Brother against brother.
We are headed for a creepy future. Too many things are broken and there is too much tension out there. It doesn't matter whether you want it or I want it, it's just how things are.
Agreed in general, but if enough people start clamoring about offing cops, it might alter their behavior. I'm fully convinced that in the event of a full blown revolt, the cops would disappear, most of their own free will. And no, I don't want a revolution, but I do fear that we will face a day where we will have no choice.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The shooters are, quite obviously, psychopathic murderers, who are blabbering about "revolution" for one very simple reason. To obscure the fact that they are psychopathic murderers.
Did you get an extra bowl of rice to post that?
Apparently, removing lead from the gasoline is what had the drastic decline in murder rates, but what's impressive is that the satanic elites, who had purposefully added the lead, also purposefully timed its removal, state by state, with the introduction of state-supported abortion measures, so that they would afterwards be able to not only falsely claim that abortions reduce crime, but also to hide the true culprit(s)...
ex: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline
What do you do about it Lore? Victims? You talk about the persons behind their shields I suppose, ok thats fine. But think about all irregularities created by the godforsaken police state that you supposedly are vouching for. Compare East Germany 1980 and their Stasi regime to what you guys have today and please claim that your police is any better... That Stasi regime just mentioned abruptly ended so will this.. I give the 50 states of US maximum 3 more years before its teared apart.. Yeah, I dont give the European clusterfucks that long..
I understand what you're saying, but I regard most police as just another kind of peon, no different from janitors or schoolteachers or the rest of the working class. The psychopaths and stupid goons who make us furious are a dangerous minority. Where I live, the same kind of people are infiltrating the environmental movement and turning it into an engine for grassroots "green" totalitarianism. Terror has many forms, but you don't paint every person in a group with the same brush. The trick is to rout out the sick ones (the unfeeling psychopaths).
You are being baited Lore. He has been on ZH for three years and so many days but has not ever posted according to his history. In those three years he supposedly was on this site there was nothing that interested him until now???
Stealth account. He has been here for Three Years and has made FIVE POSTS...all dated TODAY.
http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?name=Muscletonian
TROLL ALERT...
A cop no different than a janitor. SMFH. Judas fucking priest man....I've heard some trite pseudo intellectual bullshit in my time but that's vying for top spot on the leaderboard. Grow the fuck up and take your relativist gibberish back to PuffHo.
Skip all the idiom. It's an immature waste of time and space.
All I'm saying is that most people are just people, regardless of their line of work, trying to get by and raise a family and take responsibility for their lives. Psychopaths infiltrate any group, and they're drawn to power like a magnet. I have some experinece in this regard, working in HR. It's very hard to weed out psychopaths. They have hijacked some very powerful organizations. It can be argued that they are the source of all our present trouble. Look at all the famous names in recent scandals, and consider how many of them are psychopaths.
Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us
Political Ponerology
I recall watching a video of the Columbine school shootings, where the cops stayed outside, crawling on their bellies behind parked cars — for more than an hour — observing the situation while kids were being murdered. Not a single cop ran into the building. By the time they screwed up their courage and went in, the killer had been dead for quite a while.
Maybe that's when my view of LEOs started to change...
Yeah right, because all revolutions start by shooting up civilians at a Walmart store. Another stinking false flag.
But this is happening in Vegas! Las Vegas is the city that best represents American values and is a well lit beacon in the desert that shows the rest of the world what we really stand for.
Hookers and blow?
Yo...shit there stays in Vegas....yo?
Cattle rustling?
Diversion to get more Feds in Nevada... to plant the false flag story. yeah might be some cattle involved. sorry, its not funny I know.
Wal-Mart can't afford to lose any more "consumers" than it already has - to competition or false-flags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcHTeIDC2nQ
"All right everybody, be cool, this is a revolution."
buy amerikan
or die..
The body in aisle 11 is an innocent civilivan they failed to "protect and serve" while they were getting all their Billy Joe Bob Tactical shit together. What ever happened to the Texas Rangers? One Riot One Ranger.
Jesus, kill the cops not the civilians....
It probably was the cops that killed the civilian.
"Ooopsie. I thought that was a bad guy. Oh well. The taxpayers can pay the bill for the lawsuit. I am not financially or criminally held responsible."
"Ooopsie. I thought that was a bad guy. Oh well. The taxpayers can pay the bill for the lawsuit. I am not financially or criminally held responsible."
Well said. Very well said.