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Across America, Police Departments Are Quietly Preparing For War

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At first blush, the title of this post could be perceived as somewhat hyperbolic by those who still have an impression of America's police departments as bastions of safety, designed "to protect and to serve" the population of the "land of the free." However, said impression would be promptly washed away upon reading an article in today's NYT which citing Pentagon data, reveals that under the Obama administration, "police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft."

Which begs the question: just who is America's police force, and by extension the Obama administration, which is behind this quiet militarization of local police forces with weapons that would normally be seen in a warzone, preparing for war against?

And while we already documented America's conversation to a turnkey totalitarian banana republic (confirmed over a year later by Edward Snowden), behold America's conversion to a police state:

In the past we have occasionally covered the slow (but sure) conversion of America's Police force into an army, fully loaded with the latest weapons and equipments, not even we had an idea of the full extent of what was going on behind the scenes. As the NYT describes, all of the above-mentioned equipment "has been added to the armories of police departments that already look and act like military units. Police SWAT teams are now deployed tens of thousands of times each year, increasingly for routine jobs. Masked, heavily armed police officers in Louisiana raided a nightclub in 2006 as part of a liquor inspection. In Florida in 2010, officers in SWAT gear and with guns drawn carried out raids on barbershops that mostly led only to charges of “barbering without a license.

Surely in an age when the NSA managed to eradicated all terrorism (oh oops, Boston bombing, we forgot, just ignore that), the mantra that a "weapon unused is a useless weapon" has never rang more true, but dispatching crack police team to handle rogue "barbers"? Sadly, that may be just a harbinger of the crackdowns the US police state will unleash shortly on anyone even the least bit guilty of violating some law or regulation. Or maybe completely innocent, just guilty of sparking the USPD's curiosity. 

Meet the new normal SWAT: new, improved and, well, everywhere:

The number of SWAT teams has skyrocketed since the 1980s, according to studies by Peter B. Kraska, an Eastern Kentucky University professor who has been researching the issue for decades.... The ubiquity of SWAT teams has changed not only the way officers look, but also the way departments view themselves. Recruiting videos feature clips of officers storming into homes with smoke grenades and firing automatic weapons. In Springdale, Ark., a police recruiting video is dominated by SWAT clips, including officers throwing a flash grenade into a house and creeping through a field in camouflage.

The rationale for the weaponization of the US police force is simple: it's yours if you want it. Also, it's free.

The Pentagon program does not push equipment onto local departments. The pace of transfers depends on how much unneeded equipment the military has, and how much the police request. Equipment that goes unclaimed typically is destroyed. So police chiefs say their choice is often easy: Ask for free equipment that would otherwise be scrapped, or look for money in their budgets to prepare for an unlikely scenario. Most people understand, police officers say.

In the meantime, this is where the build up has come from...

Congress created the military-transfer program in the early 1990s, when violent crime plagued America’s cities and the police felt outgunned by drug gangs. Today, crime has fallen to its lowest levels in a generation, the wars have wound down, and despite current fears, the number of domestic terrorist attacks has declined sharply from the 1960s and 1970s.

 

Police departments, though, are adding more firepower and military gear than ever. Some, especially in larger cities, have used federal grant money to buy armored cars and other tactical gear. And the free surplus program remains a favorite of many police chiefs who say they could otherwise not afford such equipment. Chief Wilkinson said he expects the police to use the new truck rarely, when the department’s SWAT team faces an armed standoff or serves a warrant on someone believed to be dangerous.

 

Today, Chief Wilkinson said, the police are trained to move in and save lives during a shooting or standoff, in contrast to a generation ago — before the Columbine High School massacre and others that followed it — when they responded by setting up a perimeter and either negotiating with, or waiting out, the suspect.

... and where it is going.

In South Carolina, the Richland County Sheriff’s Department’s website features its SWAT team, dressed in black with guns drawn, flanking an armored vehicle that looks like a tank and has a mounted .50-caliber gun. Capt. Chris Cowan, a department spokesman, said the vehicle “allows the department to stay in step with the criminals who are arming themselves more heavily every day.” He said police officers had taken it to schools and community events, where it was a conversation starter.

 

Not everyone agrees that there is a need for such vehicles. Ronald E. Teachman, the police chief in South Bend, Ind., said he decided not to request a mine-resistant vehicle for his city. "I go to schools,” he said. “But I bring ‘Green Eggs and Ham.’ ”

The people are said to believe the explanation:

"When you explain that you’re preparing for something that may never happen, they get it,” said Capt. Tiger Parsons of the Buchanan County Sheriff’s Office in northwest Missouri, which recently received a mine-resistant truck.

You mean like the Fed stepping back from propping the global capital markets? Or like Caesar taking over Rome and only then handing over the power to the people?

But however you explain it and whatever you call it, don't call it overkill, no pun intended. Actually call it overkill.

Pentagon data suggest how the police are arming themselves for such worst-case scenarios. Since 2006, the police in six states have received magazines that carry 100 rounds of M-16 ammunition, allowing officers to fire continuously for three times longer than normal. Twenty-two states obtained equipment to detect buried land mines.

 

In the Indianapolis suburbs, officers said they needed a mine-resistant vehicle to protect against a possible attack by veterans returning from war.

 

“You have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build I.E.D.’s and to defeat law enforcement techniques,” Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told the local Fox affiliate, referring to improvised explosive devices, or homemade bombs. Sergeant Downing did not return a message seeking comment.

 

The police in 38 states have received silencers, which soldiers use to muffle gunfire during raids and sniper attacks. Lauren Wild, the sheriff in rural Walsh County, N.D., said he saw no need for silencers. When told he had 40 of them for his county of 11,000 people, Sheriff Wild confirmed it with a colleague and said he would look into it. "I don’t recall approving them,” he said.

Funny how that happens. Because that's the whole point: if the police department is there to protect the people, shouldn't the people decide how the police is armed? Apparently not. Then again, the light bulb did go over some heads.

At the Neenah City Council, Mr. Pollnow is pushing for a requirement that the council vote on all equipment transfers. When he asks about the need for military equipment, he said the answer is always the same: It protects police officers.

 

“Who’s going to be against that? You’re against the police coming home safe at night?” he said. “But you can always present a worst-case scenario. You can use that as a framework to get anything.”

 

Chief Wilkinson said he was not interested in militarizing Neenah. But officers are shot, even in small towns. If there were an affordable way to protect his people without the new truck, he would do it.

 

“I hate having our community divided over a law enforcement issue like this. But we are,” he said. “It drives me to my knees in prayer for the safety of this community every day. And it convinced me that this was the right thing for our community.”

Great, absolutely. Now just open it up for a vote and le the community itself decide!

Which brings us back to the original question: as the NYT succinctly summarizes the situation, "as President Obama ushers in the end of what he called America’s “long season of war,” the former tools of combat — M-16 rifles, grenade launchers, silencers and more — are ending up in local police departments, often with little public notice."

 Perhaps that sentence needs some qualification: as Obama, humiliated on the international arena by everyone, from Assad to Putin and back, and desperately seeking to avoid future embarrassment, redeploys weapons of mass murder, why is he seeking to put said weapons - many of which are of the offensive kind - not out to pasture but in America's very own back yard? Just who does Obama plan to wage his next, and hopefully last, war against? The good news is that everyone will get sufficient advance notice before said war begins by the squadrons of weaponized drones sent out to test the ground, and inflict the "accidental" collateral damage casualty, or million.

 

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Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:35 | 4839262 MsCreant
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He is ceerrrushing your head. Crush, Crush. His fingers are closing around your tiny head. You cannot stop him. 

Crush.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:44 | 4839287 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Take that, flat head!"

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 19:30 | 4838943 Took Red Pill
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I live in MA and the parade of armory during the Boston bombing blew me away. I had no idea we had all that hardware just itching to be used.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:28 | 4839950 therearetoomany...
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That was the point, I think.  

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 19:40 | 4838976 Salah
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LA Deputies visit FBI agents at home to threaten them with arrest for investigating them

http://libertycrier.com/la-deputies-visit-fbi-agents-home-threaten-arres...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:02 | 4838987 ChargingHandle
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Madness

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 19:50 | 4839018 Kreditanstalt
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"The police work for THE PEOPLE...they're here "to serve and protect"...!"

But they enforce only GOVERNMENT law...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:05 | 4839056 Crawdaddy
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Root cause identified

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 04:59 | 4839789 The Navigator
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Please, may I help?

But they enforce only Government EDICT(s)

Laws are no longer considered or enforced, except when revenues (fees) can be considered.

I was recently wondering, where have all the mafia gone, long time passing -- all have been absorbed by .gov and their tactics too.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 19:51 | 4839023 royal
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There are more guns in the US than people.

Miltarized or not, the police would get absolutely owned in any theoritical domestic conflict.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:49 | 4839165 Parrotile
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In any domestic conflict, they will have immediate access to one hell of a lot more than your "Guns'n'Ammo"; most of which "you Civilians" will have minimal or no effective protection / defence against, so force superiority is overwhelmingly against the "man in the Street", armed to the teeth or not.

You may wish to rethink your predicted outcome.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:57 | 4839313 Dickweed Wang
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Seems to me that the Iraqis made a pretty good showing against the USSA using primitive weapons and improvised munitions.  You don't think the people of America could do at least as well as they did against an invading force, either foreign or domestic? 

Speaking of foreign or domestic, I thought most, if not all, of our public servants and officials, particularly in the military, swore to defend the Constitution of the USA against all enemies, either foreign or domestic.  Are all of them just going to disregard their oaths??  Nowhere does it say anything about them defending the government in this regard - especially if the government has started operating outside of the constitution.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:18 | 4839596 IridiumRebel
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.Gov knows it would be slaughtered. That's why this is all insidious and slow. They went full retard, they'd be fucked. It's about numbers. The advancing horde would overcome them. People become quite inventive.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:47 | 4839630 Things that go bump
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Who would be stupid enough to go up against them in the streets when they offer themselves up as such easy targets at Cici's? They sit at stop lights and people just drive up and blow their heads off. That's happened here within the last several years. I don't think it was ever solved. There is no way for them to protect themselves from someone who is willing to die to take them out. Guerrila warfare is tough to defend against. Its how we won the Revolutionary War.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:51 | 4839374 TeethVillage88s
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Interesting point about the number of guns.

Truism: When people with guns meet trained military or police, those that are trained win every time.

Late add:

Some Idiot voted me down. That is like the height of stupidity. There is no question that trained men will kill untrained men.

I get it: Military Conservatives, Government Agents(many are paid from army, navy, air force, fbi, and dhs)... they will vote down common sense. It is common sense. You have to train on moving targets, distances, ammo, different weapons, hard targets, houses or apartments.

Look if you just have guns and don't train, you are an idiot to think you can stand against FBI or Police.

Endorsement: I approve this message. Check with your local Veteran for further understanding.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:29 | 4839720 Christophe2
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Keep on dreamin'.

People adapt when they need to, so although TPTB would have huge advantages on the first night of their assault, after a few months and years whatever strategies they have would be getting countered and people would figure out where the weaknesses lie, just like how our highly trained soldiers and 'special forces' got rekt by the insurgency in Iraq...

At great human costs, insurgencies nearly always end up winning, so long as the people are behind them.  There is no way the FBI+Police+DHS+etc. will be able to win that war, unless they opt for near total genocide.  These toys they are wasting money on are NOT going to cut it.  LOL

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 11:24 | 4840647 Uncle Remus
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Where do you think all the trained military go after they get out of the service? The US has a long string of military engagements since Vietnam which leads to a continual supply of trained and combat experienced vets. There's a reason the gov't is going after vets to deprive them of their 2nd amendment rights and letting them die waiting for medical care.

There is also a plethora of vets doing professional training to civilians. Training is a valid point. So is the sheer weight of numbers.

Once the damn breaks, there is likely to be no quarter given to those who support the empire.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 19:53 | 4839025 No Quarter
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Good thing they have all that 5.56 and 7.62 hardware. That will fit right in with my gear. Liberated spare parts. Sweet.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:04 | 4839052 Crawdaddy
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But but but...make sure the ammo is not hollow point. That shit is against the Geneba Conbention.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:58 | 4839191 Parrotile
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I'd be less than overjoyed with the use of silenced weapons too.

Seems a case of "Can't have The People realise we're culling the herd", otherwise The People might send reinforcements, and that would reall spoil the fun aspect of gunning down those with no effective means of defence, let alone retaliation.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 19:54 | 4839031 walküre
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the list is missing orders for at least a couple hundred thousand BROWN SHIRTS

BROWN SHIRTS for the Feds are all the rage then and now

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:55 | 4840058 Incubus
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When the revolution begins, just remember...

 

If you're ever in doubt, just shoot a brown person.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 11:34 | 4840695 Uncle Remus
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Hey! Don't shoot my spotter!

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:19 | 4839051 Chuck Knoblauch
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The government will do everything possible to win the public relations war.

The government wants you to surrender your rights.

The last thing they want to do is use force.

They will intimidate and provoke.

They will use terror and fear.

They will do all they can to turn the U.S. into the former Soviet Union.

The police, and public, don't want to believe it.

Hope there is a wtf moment for eveyone.

I hope the government overplays its hand.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:57 | 4839429 TeethVillage88s
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Interesting Point about about the Condition of the Soviet Union.

How did the Soviets Create such poverty?

- Serfdom to start
- Seems the Czar, a monarch, probably taxed the people and there may not have been a lot of money flowing around, did he control prices?
- Hoover saved their butts at one point since much of the population had no food, wheat, corn, whatever, as relief to famine-stricken Bolshevik-controlled areas of Russia in 1921 (Post Bolshevik Revolution)
- Russia claims huge land holdings, even more under USSR (Eastern Block, Warsaw Pact)
- Centralized USSR Control
- Centralized USSR Economy
- Ugly Buildings, Ugly Cities that no one Enjoyed
- Military that didn't get regular pay after 1989
- They do have pensions, not sure what that means, maybe you had to work for military or government to get a pension
- OF COURSE in communism the wages, benefits, compensation, perks were shit to null
- Politburo, communist leaders, seem to have been an Oligarchy, had private shops, were allowed to hold foreign currency, were allowed to have capital/money/credit/investments... but the Class of Oligarchy was limited to a very small Elite. This mean that currency did not flow in the Economy.
- Lack of money flow = Huge Lower Class (a Class System)

But I was a poor student. Any Corrections???

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:15 | 4839872 Chuck Knoblauch
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You are a poor student. Tsar Nicholas I worked with Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War to check both England and France who sought to aid the South. They don't teach that in high school social studies. Russia has always been a thorn in the side of the Western ruling class. The Communist coup in Russia was sponsored by the West. It was not organic. Communism is a disease. It infected Russia, the same way it's infecting the U.S., but you're too stupid to recognize it.  

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:14 | 4839083 Woodrox
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south dakata?

 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:24 | 4839102 Jack Burton
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Sadly, we American taxpayers are being forced to fund our own police state cops. They make very nice money and early retirement with all the health benefits. Our money, and they treat us like shit. What a deal!

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:46 | 4839124 Yes We Can. But...
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Hold it.  I'm confused.  On my TV theres a show on right now.  Two teams competing, one in red, one in blue.  And there is a large unit of US Army troops there, with tanks.  In a desert somewhere.  It seems like the army is everyone's friend on the show.  Show is called MasterChef.  WTF? Apparently, it is a very serious competition to see which team can make the best blueberry pie.  Lots of dramatic music, a worked up Brit host, etc.  Do people really watch this slack-jawed crap?

Then I come here and read where the Gubmint is laying plans to kill my ass for not toeing the line.

 

 

 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 20:54 | 4839180 Parrotile
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Wrong tense.

"Laying plans", no. "Have Laid" yes.

Be assured that such plans have been modelled, trialled, and revised extensively, so they KNOW they will work with an acceptably low failure rate, once "Things get Interesting".

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:26 | 4839248 Kprime
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like they KNEW the could win in Nam,   hmmm

guerrilla citizens

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:06 | 4839567 IridiumRebel
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Be assured that such plans have been modelled, trialled, and revised extensively, so they KNOW they will work with an acceptably low failure rate, once "Things get Interesting".

This is a run-on sentence, grammar Stasi.

Be assured that such plans have been modelled, trialled, and revised extensively. So, they KNOW they will work, with an acceptably low failure rate, once "things get Interesting".

My sentence is correct.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:04 | 4839210 yellowsub
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So it wasn't purchased erroneously afterall, just shipped to the wrong country!

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:06 | 4839214 Dre4dwolf
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90% of that hardware will endup stollen.

Either by Mexican Drug Cartels, or citizens.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:15 | 4839230 Atticus Finch
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In our area, a SWAT team was dispatched to a house with a man who was threatening suicide.

Think about that for a minute.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:35 | 4839264 luckylogger
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But hey- at least they got to practice up and kill the poor dude first..............

Do not leave any crisis undone......

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:16 | 4839231 grunk
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Like Clinton's 100,000 cops or Race to the Top.

The money runs out, the stuff breaks down for the absence of a $1000.00 custom oil filter. 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:17 | 4839233 The Shodge
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Could it be this: Obummer figured out he cannot disarm the population without triggering a revolution, so he is arming the police to the teeth first. And THEN he disarms the population.. good luck, folks!

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:18 | 4839235 luckylogger
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Good job covering this...

It needs to be out where everybody in this country can realize that we are no safer than the people in Ukrane that don't like their politicians or in russia where if they say something bad bout putin they get jailed or sadam or Kadaffy or any of the other crazy leaders out there.;....

Guess we have to catch up with the "times" ban guns, build fema camps, take away freedom of everything..... That way we can be like everybody else...........

All to keep us safe...........

What a fuking deal....

Thank you for going to so much trouble to "protect me".............

What a fuking joke......

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:27 | 4839244 novictim
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So we have a militarization of the police.  It is concerted and "Drug War" funds and surplus Military equipment are the driving force.

At the same time, we have the reality that the police in almost every town fosters an - Us vs Them - mentality.  This mentality is not a conspiracy.  It is natural that when your job is to confront the occassional society "disturber of the peace" , while the common citizen fails to act (that is normal too), then you find yourself alone and this is the genesis of the seeds of the Us vs Them mindset.

The radical deviation from this pattern is the British Bobby.  Britain conveys to the force the spirit of service.  Of course, there is no perfect system but they have done much we can adopt.

How do we reform the police in the USA to conform to the British model?  It starts with political reform.

 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:06 | 4839334 MsCreant
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Legalize drugs.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:39 | 4839495 TeethVillage88s
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Rightly You point to systemic changes:

- Expensive US Labor has been displaced by other labor
- Propaganda & advertising promoted debt & credit, Consumerism, and Materialism/Youth & Beauty Values
- Militarism is the latest addition to cultural propaganda

- Economist agree Prohibition doesn't work, prostitution, pot smoking, tobacco, drugs, legal sedatives, legal pain relievers, Alcohol, Computer Games

- Federal Budgets Create Industries like drug enforcement, war on terror, department of homeland security, spying and systemic intelligence gathering

- Military Industrial Complex with Prison Complex and Mercenaries, military contractors are systemic inducements or incentives for lobbying and expanding federal contracts

- Shadow Agencies, Black Market Economies... are all supported by the US Federal Government & DOJ, BCCI Bank is proof enough of the shadow agencies need to corrupt a bank to launder money and hide their deals and bribes to tyrants

- Who is the bank that now serves the Black Market & Spy Agencies, we don't know, we know that the biggest banks launder drug money, and some claim that Chicago is where big crime goes now to do it's systemic banking

- Systemic Corruption is everywhere

- In the USA Pensions have been systemically eliminated, and now savings systemically get no interest in a policy of Prohibition for the Middle Class, but it doesn't end, Compensation for the average US Worker has been Systematically Suppressed, And court systems Systematically Prefer Wealthy Clients or Wealthy Legal teams with huge expense accounts, this besides the fact that the US Congress Systematically has no limits to funding from Wealthy Lobbyist, and we don't know the Systematic Blackmail that is used against the US President, but it might only be money, power, status, and prestige

Late Add: If you don't have experience with management or systems... what? I guess you can't gauge my comments.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:05 | 4840996 novictim
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Nice analysis.  It paints a hopeless picture.  Yes, I talk about the systems issues on other posts. 

At the core of the market system is the amoral and short sighted decision making apparatus of the CEO--Board--Investor model.  Quarterly profit reports are the entire focus.

At the core of the political system is advertising and the campaign finance system.  Getting elected and staying elected is the highest goal.

The nexus of the Corporate and political systems takes the form of money transferred from corporate donors to K-Street lobbyists on to the quid pro quo, pay-to-play political system where money buys influence.  

Amoral Corporations with a mandate to greedily maximize profits now run the entire system. 

People are just commodities now.  No wonder it drives people insane.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:26 | 4839249 p00k1e
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In the end, it’s the end. 

Git ‘er done!

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:32 | 4839380 p00k1e
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Time 2:24:24

Casino (1995): Nicky's Downfall

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-3Lda7uYY2hbJmm/casino_1995_nickys_downf...

 

 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:34 | 4839261 Little Boomer
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Cops in small town America are going to shoot at their neighbors or relatives? Plus everyone in town knows who they are and where they live. I don't see it. Big cities maybe.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:41 | 4839278 dexter_morgan
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Don't be naive. Yes, they will do as they are told and don't forget besides the hardware they have been getting brainwashed for years about 'domestic terrorism'.

They won't be in THEIR towns or neighborhoods when the time comes.

Have we forgotten Nazi Germany so quickly?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:39 | 4839510 usednabused
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How silly can you be Little Boomer? Do you think for one moment those cops in your small town USA give a rats ass about you? Fuck no, they care about their next paycheck and that pension fund and free health care good from the first fart. Thats what they give a shit about, and they'll shoot you as quick as the order comes in to do so. For your own good, grow up and develop some thinking skills.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:46 | 4839627 falconflight
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And after their family's begin to suffer the consequences,you may see a very different attitude.  Grow some insights into the human condition.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:35 | 4839265 I Write Code
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LAPD and sheriffs typically need twenty to two hundred rounds to bring down the local jaywalking zombies or anyone who looks like one or walks through the neighorhood at the wrong time.  If they were properly equiped with 105mm recoiless rifles this could probably be reduced by at least 10%.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:39 | 4839275 dexter_morgan
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So whats up with nothing for South Dakotans?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:58 | 4839312 El Hosel
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The "peasants" in Iraq and Afghanistan proved to be formidable... Don't "misunderestimate" the potential of Militia in our,

or your "hood".

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:08 | 4839338 El Hosel
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....South Dakota has more shitgums per capita than any state in the union, the nail gun numbers are pretty good too.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4839292 Dickweed Wang
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. . . . In the Indianapolis suburbs, officers said they needed a mine-resistant vehicle to protect against a possible attack by veterans returning from war.

 “You have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build I.E.D.’s and to defeat law enforcement techniques,” . . . . .

WTF???? Veterans???  I don't know if the geniuses realize this but you don't have to be a veteran or serve in a war zone to know how to put together IED's or defeat "law enforcement techniques".  Just ask the people of Iraq about those issues . . . .

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:50 | 4839298 dexter_morgan
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we live in bizarro world. They even have fests for it.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWJrASEHmHQ

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:15 | 4839347 Dickweed Wang
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Marylin Manson . . . what a sick fuck. He/she epitomizes what's wrong with this country.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:24 | 4839364 dexter_morgan
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Adults bring their young kids to that shit, or allow them to go, then they wonder why the fuck the kids do crazy shit.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:34 | 4840934 trader1
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that was seventeen years ago...

performance (shock) art.

and believe it or not, marilyn manson is more rational than the average ZH poster (which i guess is not saying much anyways...):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUdF2CbKIa8

 

 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 21:50 | 4839299 Ban KKiller
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Home made Molotov cocktail launchers. Fired from well behind the lines! Drone copters for fire support. Propane bombs! Mayhem! The people are armed, don't worry....TD showed the way, remember?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:06 | 4839332 tony bonn
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this is another attempt by the ziocons to further their genocidal policies. people must demand demilitarization of the police who nothing but pig communist nazis anyway.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:20 | 4839360 DeusHedge
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Oh please, the sheeple stingy silent majority will use these in two seconds. Right?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:33 | 4839369 grunk
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They'll still need local taxes to pay for the local police state.

"Didn't I go to school with your daddy, son?"

"Don't my kids go to school with your kids, Officer Cletus?"

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:36 | 4839370 DarthVaderMentor
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The interesting part of your article is the data drawing. It appears that proportionally the South has more equipment and ordnance given to them than the North. If history repeats itself, this arming of local southern constabularies may be a major strategic mistake by the federal government since local authorities in the South may actually be more sympathetic to the people and insurrection than many in Washington think is even possible.

Unfortunately, I believe all these armaments and equipment, if used against an insurrection will make it bloodier, but not change the inevitable outcome. Actually, this equipment already has already been on the losing side of two lost wars, fighting civilian populations in Iraq and Afghanistan that are less educated, less technologically capable and possibly with less armaments to start with but who have suprisingly won against overwhelming forces deployed against them because of their focus and perseverance.

 

The armaments provided by the US military to law enforcement may make the insurrection and the final outcome bloodier, more destructive and possibly take longer to complete, but the results will be the same.

 

Irregular warfare has rarely ever lost to a corrupt government since before the American Revolution. Who could ever dream of the possibility of Putin as the new "Marquis de Lafayette"? 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:43 | 4840979 trader1
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I wish I was in the land of cotton,

Old times dar am not forgotten,

Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.

In Dixie Land whar' I was born in,

Early on one frosty mornin',

Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:38 | 4839373 SgtShaftoe
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More and more high-tech toys don't make up for a lack of combat effectiveness and low morale. If they decide to start a war with the American people, they're going to have a serious problem.

MRAPs are pieces of shit, and easily stopped cold (air brakes). All other toys, are just that in the hands of children. They require a comprehensive understanding of tactics, strategy in addition to the obvious: fuel, an inordinate amount of maintenance, and very long supply chains.

Basically, if they start a war, every mother fucker including LBJ's dead rotting corpse, to Cheney, Dubya, Obummer, and your neighborhood Stasi agent will be dragged to the Hague and brought up on war crimes trials.

It's a really stupid plan, if they decide to go ahead with it, and it simply won't work.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:47 | 4839530 IridiumRebel
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At that point, The Hague will be too far. The lamposts will be where the justice is carried out....or the mattresses.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:38 | 4839390 NoelConfidence
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Police would only need guns that could blow their citizens bodies in half if they were a threat.

Duck-n-Cover kiddies.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:37 | 4839394 Cabreado
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The problem of barking up the wrong tree doesn't seem to be going away.

I don't think that is a surprise; barking in the wrong direction is what got us here.

The appropriate tree is points of control, intentional control or otherwise, and getting the wrong tree is what eventually divides, feeds control, and guarantees failure on all counts.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:40 | 4839400 dexter_morgan
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The last guy I recall worrying so much about veterans was Hiler, who feared the WWI vets, and tried to pacify them. Same shit, different day I guess.

"In the Indianapolis suburbs, officers said they needed a mine-resistant vehicle to protect against a possible attack by veterans returning from war.

“You have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build I.E.D.’s and to defeat law enforcement techniques,” Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told the local Fox affiliate, referring to improvised explosive devices, or homemade bombs. Sergeant Downing did not return a message seeking comment."

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:46 | 4839414 Andre
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OK, I am now officially creeped out.

"police departments have received ... and hundreds of silencers,..."

Silencers. This sounds like hit squads for real. Since when does LAW ENFORCEMENT need to use suppressed weapons?

This sounds like Operation Phoenix is coming to a town near you.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:14 | 4839461 jack stephan
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Good timing zh, I was driving along in doobie's taxiola on the interstate, and lo and behold there was more to see than just interstate. I saw rows of hummers all plated out for combat on train beds, bulldozers, gas trucks, assorted other shit all in camo, maybe it's nothing, they are off to a port sent somewhere to protect opium poppies, or maybe not.

Just saying, who knows

Can I get a do over and wake up in the early 50s, it seemed mildly better then.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:18 | 4839471 James Dandy
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Silencers?  Good luck American retard, your time is near.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:37 | 4839502 Borrow Owl
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Never, ever underestimate the inguenuity of Amerka's Good Old Boys:

http://muzzelbrake.com/

 

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:35 | 4839505 ShakaZulu
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Dudes I see things you will NEVER read in any report/article.  It's worse than you know and closer than you think.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:40 | 4839515 IridiumRebel
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I had my mortgage done by an NYC police officer...great guy. Good to have in your corner. I had a couple. He said that you would be floored at how many unknown cameras there are in that city. That can literally watch anything. The drones will pick up any slack. I agree that what we know is the tip of the iceberg.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 22:53 | 4843221 ShakaZulu
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Falcon, I work for the Feds.  Iridium is on the right  track.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:54 | 4839636 falconflight
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And you would make such a statement w/o any details?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:34 | 4839612 falconflight
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Let them prepare all they want.  Their families will be on the front lines as well.  If the Afghanis, Iraqis, Viet Namise can kick their asses, well certainly very very pissed off righteous Patriots can.  Fck you Obama, FBI, ATF, SS, ICE, and all the rest of the fascist state.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:39 | 4839617 fishwharf
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I think some here are just a little paranoid.  I worked closely with police for 20 years, and I found them to be just the same as any other large group of people.  10% good, 10% bad, and the other 80% somewhere in the middle.  The cops I worked with loved the free hardware they got from the Feds, but it was more about boys and their toys than anything evil.  Three cops live on my block, and they have kids and stuff.  I'm not afraid of them.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:52 | 4839851 Grouchy Marx
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I agree, but what happens when the feds require them to enforce increasingly draconian oppression or lose their jobs? We all have to eat, you know. 

How many military have stood up against Obama, who may be (cuz no one really knows except him and those who scrubbed his records) unqualified to serve as commander in chief? I know of only one, a Colonel who was court martialed for demanding proof. I say, give that man the Medal of Honor, and impeach the imposter-in-chief and fire the syncophantic military brass.

And the Dems? Those defenders of human rights and the "little guy"? The have stood by or assisted the rise of this banana republic, because he is "their guy".

People with real principles are very rare indeed.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:13 | 4839652 Dementor
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Why no drones?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:25 | 4839665 Shed Boy
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LAPD got Seattles drones after the people of Seattle complained. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/05/lapd-moves-closer-to-testing-a...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:23 | 4839664 damicol
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Simple questin.

 Do  or my family want to live in a town where nazi armed thugs and riot police patrol the streets or a place where police are polite and felpful and not vindictive  assholes on the make  for the slightest real or imagined transgression and where common snse have been totally eradicated.

So In the face of living in the middle of would easily appear to be a war zone, I would move, pronto, taking my business with me.

 

As I see it when one side arme up the  others will follow and one day sure as day follows night some hothead will start that war.

 Good luck if you happen to be in the crossfire one day at the wront time and wrong place.

 

Leave town, and leave them looking like detroit

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:40 | 4839687 russwinter
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Who is behind this police buildup? Psychopathic control grid. 

http://winteractionables.com/?p=12371

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:46 | 4839734 q99x2
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Total control can only expediate the release of the negative technology it is designed to prevent.

I'm not so certain about a desire for the scum at the top to be unfolding a fascist world upon society for the purposes most talked about. I see it as the realization by think tanks that the availability of powerfully devastating technologies that could destroy everyone will eventually get into the wrong hands. I also don't believe that a totalitarian state will prevent that from happening. I do see an alternative solution based in human connectedness and morality that arises out of the development of the individual. A better way to prevent disaster would be to eliminate all large organizations and a move to open source government. But nobody listens to me. Whatever. it is getting exciting.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:03 | 4839744 johnberesfordti...
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I suppose that it will never occur to the ZH gun loonies that the reason for police militarization is that the public is now militarized.

It's an arms race.

The increasingly insane American public is arming themselves with rapid fire weapons, silencers, body armor (once available at Sam’s Club), armor piercing rounds, etc. This why SWAT teams have to ride in APC’s and use military tactics on domestic disturbance calls. They have to assume that they’ll encounter a suicidal lunatic “law-abiding citizen defending his 2nd Amendment Rights” with armaments suitable for the Siege of Stalingrad in his basement.  See “Las Vegas Cop Killers.”

Your children will inherit this. 

LOL… this is your new America… you’re welcome to it. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:55 | 4839767 Lin S
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Bitch, please...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:29 | 4839833 NuYawkFrankie
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Transgendered Brit  On The Loose *Alert*

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:47 | 4839846 Obamanism
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Where did you get the idea Miller and co were law abiding?

Did you know it was a LAW Abiding conceal carry member of the Public that shot Miller in the Wallmart and the white witch then shot Miller and herself because there could be more concealed carry guns in the shop which they could not barricade themselves against.

Have you notice in that the mass shooters always commit suicide when police or People with guns drawn appear? It is if they are programmed not to have a standoff with the Police. They always have manifestos the pattern is being drawn

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:50 | 4840262 SubjectivObject
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Dewdles, please articulate the different options for control avialable to tax payer funded, integrated, state backed, power versus marginal dicretionary funded, disintegrated and unorganized, state unbacked individuals?

Your opinion accounts for this difference?  Right?

You agree that abuse of state power is fundamentally worse than any rable of individuals could ever be?  If so, why should any state entity be given unrestrained powers??

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 11:24 | 4840621 Emergency Ward
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Yeah, instead of blaming the Bush/Obama/Clinton federal military nutcases and brutal local police forces, blame gun owners who never cause a problem...paranoia strikes deep.

The fucking militarized police forces will be hiring the returning soldiers trained to use all those federally provided weapons and will be used against protestors that sanely protest things like idiotic wars, state surveillance and police brutality.  As well as in 3 a.m. SWAT raids against .22 rifle owners with overdue library books.

but the thought never occurs that gun sales went up AFTER the the Obama Administration accelerated blah blah blah...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:35 | 4841710 WarPony
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"hiring the returning soldiers"

Perhaps! More likely, the "Enlist Act" will allow Obamma to slip  a million commies into the military ...because they came from south of the border and said "buenos dias" with a Chinese or Russian accent.

... for the children.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 05:59 | 4839812 bingobob
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You have chemtrails right now when the time is right prozac and valium will be added to them

http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-calmatives-biochemical-substances-...

So get a mask. They will also add chemicals to the water, ration food, use the total spy network to isolate individuals.

Then if this all fails they will drop neutron bombs use EMPs etc. The reason they only use basic equipment in Afghanistan is partly they don't want to show you what you could face and give you time to prepare.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2007/apr/09/frontpagenews.news

Realistically you don't want to stick around if this all kicks off it won't be Afghanistan or Iraq it will be total war.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:33 | 4839837 Atlas Crapped
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With the new cold war in play, the miltary industrial complex has to sell their shit to SOMEONE. We might as well beef up for civil unrest for when the flat screens are no longer "on sale".

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:10 | 4839854 NuYawkFrankie
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And so it begins:

1) RhoidHead to e4...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:00 | 4839858 shovelhead
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Donut shops.

Tactical training reaction stops at the threshold of a donut shop.

Ya know...for future information.

Forward Soviet.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:07 | 4839860 Notsobadwlad
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One need to keep in mind that the entire purpose is to create fear and conflict, both within the police force and he general population so that there is an excuse to weed out those who are detrmined to be "undesireable" and to reduce the general population.

We are being led to not trust the police, even though the vast majority are just decent people that want to go home at the end of the day to their families.

Similaly, the police are being trained to fear the population, even though the vast majority of people are good and just want to avoid conflict.

Thiis article on ZH just promotes the fear.

By the way, New Mexico, Oklahoma and possibly South Carolina appear to be outliers in population vs vehicles.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:09 | 4839864 pelican
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My grandparents had been smart enough to leave Nazi Germany before WWII. They saw the writing on the wall.  I wonder if I am?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:36 | 4839902 Chuck Knoblauch
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Look at the trends. Too big to fail is a new concept in America. Follow that concept to its conclusion. The government is willing to use its power, and your money, to protect failure. Where does that go over time? Who's going to stop it?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:09 | 4839923 WarPony
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The Pentagon wants to unload 13,000 MARPs so they’re literally giving them away! “Almost 200 of the vehicles have landed in the hands of local police departments since last August and there are pending requests for an additional 750 of them(.)"  That’s (along with DHS, as per above) about 5 MRAPS per County for EACH and EVERY County in the US at a cost to US taxpayers of around $17 BILLION dollars!

And there's more. This is not merely a "S.W.A.T. -friendly" deal, this is putting the equivilant of a .50 caliber proof tank in the hands of your local bubbas at the police department.  The cost for individual production models of the MRAP ranged from $535,000 to $600,000, but field models including spare parts and upgrades came to an average of $1.29 million.

This doesn’t include HOLLOW POINT ROUNDS WHICH ARE NOT FOR TRAINING(!!!!):
- (DHS) "1.6 billion round stockpile" of ammunition (9mm) and adding 20 million more rounds (w/ 450 million rounds of .40 S&W 180gr hollow point bullets in 2012 alone).
- "FBI separately sought 100 million hollow-point rounds”
- Department of Agriculture requested 320,000 hollow-point rounds,
- National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) requesting 46,000 rounds of "mostly hollow-point."

And, there's still more: local police are getting federal assistance in the form of everything from military grade body armor and infantry grade weapons, up to an including M2 .50 cal browning machine guns. The DHS is also buying portable Level 3 Bullet Resistant (44 mag) booths to possibly be stationed at unannounced checkpoints throughout the country.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:08 | 4839926 esum
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what makes negrodomus think the local pd's will be on his side??? in nuevo york state the upstate sheriffs are balking at the safe act enforcement... check out OATHKEEPERS.ORG... check out THREE PERCENTERS... take a look at the BLM standoff... so keep those guns, tanks and weapons coming... thanks negrodomus... ussa's second benedict arnold 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:20 | 4839936 pupdog1
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"At the Neenah City Council, Mr. Pollnow is pushing for a requirement that the council vote on all equipment transfers. When he asks about the need for military equipment, he said the answer is always the same: It protects police officers."

 “Who’s going to be against that? You’re against the police coming home safe at night?” he [Chief Wilkinson] said.

 

By Neenah, does the article mean tiny little Neenah, Wisconsin? 

If so, they need to dump that chief as soon as possible. Chief Wilkinson seems to have no idea that he merely serves, by contract, the local residents. If he is thumbing his nose at the peoples' elected representatives and aims to "take matters into his own hands," then they need to replace him with someone who knows his place. 

Oh yeah, and there is the matter of the expense of maintaining that military gear, which I don't think Choombama is proposing to pay for. Peraps it can be taken out of Wilkinson's pension plan instead of the taxpayers' pockets.

You gotta love the chief who said I don't take an MRAP to school--I take Green Eggs and Ham.

 

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:30 | 4839958 d edwards
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To quote Pogo: "we have seen the enemy and he is us."

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:43 | 4840005 madcows
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that quote was directed toward pollution.  Mayhap it should be on the EPA anti-coal article pages.  Of course, at that time, pollution was bad.  Now, we're all going to die from questionable global warming.  Does Pogo hate coal power and believe michael moore and Al?  or is he concerned with the rise of stasi police?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:36 | 4839974 Incubus
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I knew this was coming on 9/11 when I was in class in high school and watched the 2nd plane plow into the WTC. 

 

I knew you pussies would be easy to control.

 

I knew that was the end of America as I knew it as a kid.

 

Fucking pathetic people.  No takebacks now.  Eat your fucking cake, assholes.  You deserve every last bit of it.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 02:55 | 4843590 bunnyswanson
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They are sticking to their story. 

Right now, in NYC, there is a petition to investigate the  WTC 7 bldg in order to prevent a similar occurrence, after all, if sky scrapers have a tendency to pancake collapse due to burning xerox paper in trash cans, we all our in danger.  This new investigation will open up dialogue regarding that day's events.  There are many people working hard, daily, and have been for years, trying to open up the dialogue and keep this story alive and you know what?  They have been successful.  The videos and compiled studies, talks, documntaries number in the thousands.  Books have been written regarding the conflicting information and suspicious maneuvers. 

The dancing gentlemen, there to record the event, were driving a van with a mural of 2 sky scrapers and a jetliner aimed right at them.  These men need to be brought before a neutral committee and questioned.  Don't give up yet.  My computer is dragging, otherwise, I'd bring in a link. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:37 | 4839979 messymerry
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[So police chiefs say their choice is often easy: Ask for free equipment that would otherwise be scrapped, or look for money in their budgets to prepare for an unlikely scenario. Most people understand, police officers say.]

This stuff is NOT FREE! When it breaks the community has to pay military prices to fix it!!!! The police like toys that go BANG! WTF do they need silencers for.

The CIVILIAN police do not have the right to carry any weapons that the rest of the population cannot get!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thirteen exclamation marks, one for each colony.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 10:13 | 4840365 Citxmech
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Not that I'm onboard with the over-the-top militarization of the police - but suppressors are a fantastic accessory for entry teams as they protect everybody's hearing.  Once for the shit of it, I fired my 2-1/2" S&W 66 .357 inside with a full-power load just to experience it. . . JFC - the blast gave me friggin shell shock from where I stood behind the gun.  I can't imagine what a short barrel AR would be like, but I assume it would be as bad or worse.  

If there was a domestic situation for instance, I would want my officers all equipped with suppressors not only for the officer's sakes (workers comp claims) but for innocents inside (women and kids, etc. who you'd prefer not to deafen).

BTW - I have a pretty good case of tinitus now - no doubt my "experiment" didn't help with that.  

FYI - for any bullet traveling supersonic, silencers don't "silence," they suppress.  "Suppressor" is a better term for them, and is commonly used by the community.  A good suppressor should reduce the signature of a rifle to around the level of an unsuppressed .22.  

Another common use is to take out drug den sentry dogs quietly using 22s which can be made reletively silent.  Personally, I have pretty mixed feelings about this tactic as cops seem to have a habit of killing folks pets that are not dangerous when they get the addresses mixed up on their "no-knock" warrants etc. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 11:27 | 4840655 messymerry
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The police as "enforcers" for the State cannot be allowed to have overwhelming resources. That my friend is the foundation of tyranny. I appreciate your point, but that does not justify the police penchant for twisting the truth to suit their agendas. The simple fact is they all took an oath on the constitution and they all violate that oath on a daily basis. I maintain my point that if hte police can have these toys, then they must be available to the citizens as well. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.

If the police want credibility, they can honor their oath. Until then they are not "Lawmen", they are "cops" and thugs for this increasingly illegal and unconstitutional regime that wouild be King over us.

Thanks for your reply,

;-D

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:21 | 4841399 Citxmech
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I couldn't agree with you more on all points.  =]

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 01:06 | 4843492 MsCreant
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Very civilized exchange. I learned some things. Thanks to you both for the info and tone.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:57 | 4840062 wagthetails
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looking at the map and seeing the concentration of armed police forces as well as military bases....if the south ever wanted to succeed, they'd have no problem doing it.  i think it is going to get bad, but not THAT bad. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:57 | 4840063 AdvancingTime
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This has happened around the world because of the raised concern of terrorist attacks. It confirms to many Americans that threats remain and no price is to much to pay in an effort to protect American lives. Strangely this is happening at the same time more Americans have begun to view Snowden as more  of a whistle-blower rather then as a traitor as the White House tried to paint him.

Interestingly a gender gap emerges on how people see the government’s anti-terrorism programs with men being more inclined to think the government has gone to far, it also seems that younger voters, those in their twenties are appalled by the intrusions into our privacy. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-terrorist-under-every-bed.html

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:09 | 4840106 kurt
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If you avoid "sides" here, and that is the main activity, you will see these are all the makings of an orchestrated take down, a mass killing of a mad dog. In the world media we are being defamed and made to look like brutes by OUR OWN foreign policy. Watching our president accuse Russia of doing exactly what we're doing in the Ukraine has only one result: the USA appears insane and out of control. The world does NOT know that there is not support here for these many subterfuges and plots, takedowns, bombings, proxie and merc. wars. The only conclusion to make is the USA appear to be asking for IT. The military industrial complex is only trying to secure a long term supply of blood and death: they do it too well. Like the corporations it sees itself breaking away from its host and marauding at will any and everywhere. The madman, as usual, is the last to admit he is insane and is more than willing to kill you to stop thoughts in his own head.

Reverse Course America!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:58 | 4840299 bhakta
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It's funny, I could see this coming way back in 1967, when as a 17 year old I was regularly stopped and searched by the San Diego Police for "suspcion" of anything. It only got worse and worse with each passing year. I finally moved to Thailand in 1985, and although there have been military governments from time to time, I have never felt the fear of police that I felt in the USA. Nor have I ever had any negative experience with the Thai police in the 30 years I am here. Seeing these statistics, I feel afraid for those good people in the USA.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 10:06 | 4840335 mastersnark
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If they keep treating us as if we are an enemy, something, something, "self-fulfilling prophecy."

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 10:54 | 4840536 Chuck Knoblauch
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They hate us for our freedoms.

They = The Globalist Infiltrators

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:46 | 4840987 moneybots
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The Great (part of the) Depression is coming.  Global debt is now 100 trillion dollars.

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