No Drinking Water In Venezuela Until Bankers Get Paid Back

Tyler Durden's picture

2013 was a good year for Goldman Sachs investments in Emerging Markets, most notably Venezuelan bonds (as they bet on socialism and won). A year later and Goldman's EM debt portfolio is still loaded with Venezuelan bonds... and the arrears are mounting. As Bloomberg reports, at a time when Venezuela’s record $25 billion in arrears to importers has its citizens waiting hours in line to buy drinking water and crossing borders in search of medicine, President Nicolas Maduro is using the nation’s dwindling supply of dollars to enrich bondholders.

 

As Bloomberg reports,

Venezuela, which imports just about everything, and its state oil producer have paid $2.8 billion in interest to overseas creditors this year, according to Barclays Plc. Including debt principal, bondholder outlays will balloon to almost $10 billion by year-end, the London-based firm estimates.

By putting off the local companies responsible for supplying everything from diapers to cancer medications, Maduro can preserve access to debt markets and protect oil shipments that would be vulnerable to bondholder seizure, said Alejandro Arreaza, an analyst at Barclays. Even if that means fanning the world’s fastest inflation and inflaming protests over shortages that have left at least 42 people dead since February.

The government’s priority is to pay the sovereign debt,” Alejandro Arreaza, an analyst at Barclays Plc, said in a telephone interview from New York.

Of course, it's not just the government debt but state-owned entities that need the USD and are getting priority over the thirsty population...

State oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA is seeking a loan to pay off $3 billion of debt that matures this year and isn’t planning additional dollar bond sales in 2014, a company official said yesterday. PDVSA, as the Caracas-based company is known, is working to refinance an additional $11.9 billion of dollar debt due through 2017 to bring its annual maturities to no more than $3 billion, said the official, who asked not to be identified because he isn’t authorized to speak publicly.

 

It’s the first time that it’s ever reached this critical level,” he said by telephone. “And it’s clear that they can’t pay it off at once.”

 

“There has been a divergence between what happens to Venezuelan bonds in the international market and what happens to businesses that operate inside of Venezuela,”

As one analysts noted... just like everywhere else in the world...

“The market is giving Venezuela the benefit of the doubt and hopes that it applies other economic measures that in one form or another will guarantee its capacity to repay bondholders,”

 


 

And so it goes...

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Erudite Redneck's picture
Psalm 37

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Heritage of the Righteous and the Calamity of the Wicked A Psalm of David.

37 Do not fret because of evildoers,
Nor be envious of the workers of iniquity.
For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,
And wither as the green herb.

Trust in the Lord, and do good;
Dwell in the land, and feed on His faithfulness.
Delight yourself also in the Lord,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

Commit your way to the Lord,
Trust also in Him,
And He shall bring it to pass.
He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light,
And your justice as the noonday.

Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him;
Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way,
Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass.
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath;
Do not fret—it only causes harm.

For evildoers shall be cut off;
But those who wait on the Lord,
They shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more;
Indeed, you will look carefully for his place,
But it shall be no more.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

12 The wicked plots against the just,
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
13 The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn the sword
And have bent their bow,
To cast down the poor and needy,
To slay those who are of upright conduct.
15 Their sword shall enter their own heart,
And their bows shall be broken.

16 A little that a righteous man has
Is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken,
But the Lord upholds the righteous.

18 The Lord knows the days of the upright,
And their inheritance shall be forever.
19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time,
And in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish;
And the enemies of the Lord,
Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish.
Into smoke they shall vanish away.

21 The wicked borrows and does not repay,
But the righteous shows mercy and gives.
22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be cut off.

23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord,
And He delights in his way.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down;
For the Lord upholds him with His hand.

25 I have been young, and now am old;
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken,
Nor his descendants begging bread.
26 He is ever merciful, and lends;
And his descendants are blessed.

27 Depart from evil, and do good;
And dwell forevermore.
28 For the Lord loves justice,
And does not forsake His saints;
They are preserved forever,
But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

30 The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom,
And his tongue talks of justice.
31 The law of his God is in his heart;
None of his steps shall slide.

32 The wicked watches the righteous,
And seeks to slay him.
33 The Lord will not leave him in his hand,
Nor condemn him when he is judged.

34 Wait on the Lord,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.
35 I have seen the wicked in great power,
And spreading himself like a native green tree.
36 Yet he passed away,[a] and behold, he was no more;
Indeed I sought him, but he could not be found.

37 Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright;
For the future of that man is peace.
38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together;
The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

39 But the salvation of the righteous is from the Lord;
He is their strength in the time of trouble.
40 And the Lord shall help them and deliver them;
He shall deliver them from the wicked,
And save them,
Because they trust in Him.

The Most Interesting Frog in the World's picture

And the God said, let there be Mila Kunis. And so it was done.

COSMOS's picture

Dude couldn't you quote Shakespeare, his stuff is a lot more interesting and better written too...

Erudite Redneck's picture

I find it kind of comforting.   A lot of ZHers get upset at the criminal class, who wouldn't right?  This reminds us that ultimately we do not need to get mad, God is in control.  

kchrisc's picture

God in control, guillotine at shotgun.

Erudite Redneck's picture
Matthew 10:28

New King James Version (NKJV)

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Erudite Redneck's picture

Why would people not want to believe in a God of Love and Justice?  Only on ZH does God get down votes.

NoDebt's picture

God's got damned little to do with this matter, Redneck.  This is purely human greed at work here.

boogerbently's picture

EVERYTHING ZH'ers rebel against is predicted in the Bible.

Yet, so many are blind to it's truths......ALSO predicted in the Bible.

Richard Chesler's picture

Hitler had a really nice plan for new bankers. They said he was a psycho.

 

sylviasays's picture

Getting back to the story about that Socialist Communist paradise known as Venezuela, The Wall Street Journal had an interesting story today about how Venezuelans are smuggling state subsidized and price controlled goods out of the country and into Colombia where they sell the goods at a hefty markup. 

"With it's heavy intervention in the economy, Venezuela now imports three quarters of what it consumes but loses a third of its goods to illegal cross border trade." 

 

http://online.wsj.com/articles/venezuela-pays-price-for-smuggling-140227...

Divine's picture

Are you religious cunts really that stupid? OF cource the Bible has some valuable information - but it was wirtten by nomadic sheep hearders with their very limited understanding of the universe.

 

You should not underestimate people who dont believe that these sand niggers got it right 2000 years ago. People can be spiritual & follow moral without believing in some bullshit story edited 2000 times.

 

I feel sad for all the people who believe in organized religion. IMO they are not clever enough to have a right to vote :)

 

ALL HEIL THE RAPTOR JESUS http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25700000/Raptor-Jesus-the-no-life...

Rogue Trooper's picture

Totally agree.  Any 'isim is so fucked up. Hell we got the nutcase Obama socialist retards to the left of me and these god fearing evangelical's to the right of me.

Hear I am, stuck in the middle, I'm fucked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkgIsAGpdU

As a libertarain I wish they would ALL fuck off and leave me alone.

Urban Redneck's picture

"I feel sad for all the people who believe in xyz. IMO they are not clever enough to have a right to vote."

Said the Oligarch of the fringe blog posters.

Said the Bankster of the Goyim.

That's a rather naive road to disenfranchisement (and worse) for yourself that you're setting off on.

There are very good reasons that the intellectual threshold for suffrage is only competence, as frustrating as that might be at times.

Raging Debate's picture

According to Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs they are doing "God's work". To those new here this is actually what this man said.

The Central Banking system has conquered the world. But all I see now is larger repeat of the history of the robber barons and the river Rhine. Setting up unlimited toll booths and enforced by military arms means people will find an alternative means of trade.

If all means of trade are throttled it is only a matter of time before a national leader emerges that realizes nuking the source of the bottleneck is the only way forward for the rest of mankind. It is this I physically hedge against. It looks inevitable. Education is a big part of it. A gallon of chlorine, a couple buckets and a walk to a pond within a couple miles would aave waiting in line for hours. Not getting some meds are a real bitch though and life and death.

As for philosophy and satisfactory living, I find two quotes to sum up all spirituality:

"The only life worth living is on behalf of others." - Albert Einstein
"Love your neighbor as yourself" - Jesus Christ

As for castles, muskets and cannon they were eventually overcome by newer technologies. The harder growth is suppressed the harder the mind accelerates (by adrenaline and increased beta brain waves) to create new tools. A true global society will be managed by consensus, not dictate. So yet another model (tool) of conquest has conquered the globe. The only good news from the time of say Rome to now is the rate of business. What took centuries happens in decades now.

0b1knob's picture

What is so unreasonable about expecting Venezuela (and student loan deadbeats and NINJA mortgage idiots) to PAY THEIR DEBT?

COSMOS's picture

Yeah what is so unreasonable about it, ask the govt of the USA also, ask it why it can't pay without shitting on the dollar at the same time.

Erudite Redneck's picture

I think it is totally reasonable to expect everyone to repay their debts.  My point is why do we let our selves get so upset with the criminal banking /political classes that scheme to impoverish everyone.  Wait on God and in the mean time pay your bills.  As Bob Marley said don't worry be happy.

ChopperReid's picture

Shut yer pie hole you bloody pooftah!

pazmaker's picture

Redneck.... NOT BOB MARLEY!!!!   Yea Yea I know all them black jamaicans look and sing alike right?

 

Bobby McFerrin is the artist that sings Don't Worry Be Happy!

nixy's picture

You think it is reasonable for everyone to repay their debts....?? But all debts are NOT equal. That's the beauty of the scam...... good people feel obliged to repay debt...... 'cos someone might lose out, yes???? NO!!!..... you are NOT obliged to repay a debt created from fuck all ....... Voters need to be educated.....and government, sure as shit, won't do it.

rehypothecator's picture

It is difficult to believe in God when certain people do not get struck by lightning. 

Seek_Truth's picture

"It is difficult to believe in God when certain people do not get struck by lightning."

From a human standpoint, unfortunately, yes.

But from God's standpoint, a blink of an eye, and we are judged-

by Him!

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. -2 Peter 3:8

COSMOS's picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfOoGj65lNk

speaking of getting struck  by lightning I guess God decided to judge this guy and let him stay a little longer....HAHAHAH

Watch all the way to the end LOL

OldPhart's picture

First time I got struck Ithought someone had shot me.  Picked my ass up out of the water and mud and scooted back to my car and hauled ass off.  About a mile down the road my right arm started to cramp up, then my neck...and I had this burning sensation on my neck.

Drove to the doctor in town and told them I thought I'd been shot.  They took me right back and had me take off my shirt.  By that point my arm and neck were in agony with the cramps and spasms.  When the shirt came off I heard the doctor and her aide gasp.  They put up mirrors and showed me that I had zigzagged blisters and bright, burning red from the right side of my neck down my back.  It was awesome.

A couple weeks later we were called out to get a body from a slouce (volunteer ambulance squad) that had been struck by lightning.  I was being razzed by everyone (deputies, volunteer fire, and ambulance) about staying away so they wouldn't get hit.

Got to the body...totally cooked.  Picking up his legs was like handling sausage, and the, um, aroma...still can't eat sausage and that's been over thirty years ago.

OldPhart's picture

Fuck you all...

I've been hit by lightning three times...and I'm not a banker, politician or criminal.  I haven't knowingly hurt anyone in my life (other than sarcasm, a shovel full of reality smacking right in the face, or blistering the ass of one of my sons when they were younger.)

cornflakesdisease's picture

Because you perpetuate falsehoods and people are tired of lies.

 

Matt 28: 10 And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Ge·hen?na

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew she?ohl? and the Greek hai?des. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from she?ohl? 31 times and from hai?des 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since she?ohl? is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version she?ohl? is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.
In 1885, with the publication of the complete English Revised Version, the original word she?ohl? was in many places transliterated into the English text of the Hebrew Scriptures, though, in most occurrences, “grave” and “pit” were used, and “hell” is found some 14 times. This was a point on which the American committee disagreed with the British revisers, and so, when producing the American Standard Version (1901) they transliterated she?ohl? in all 65 of its appearances. Both versions transliterated hai?des in the Christian Greek Scriptures in all ten of its occurrences, though the Greek word Ge?en·na (English, “Gehenna”) is rendered “hell” throughout, as is true of many other modern translations.

Concerning this use of “hell” to translate these original words from the Hebrew and Greek, Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 2, p. 187) says: “HADES . . . It corresponds to ‘Sheol’ in the O.T. [Old Testament]. In the A.V. of the O.T. [Old Testament] and N.T. [New Testament], it has been unhappily rendered ‘Hell.’”

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”

It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.

The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grolier Universal Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9, p. 205) under “Hell” says: “Hindus and Buddhists regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration. Islamic tradition considers it as a place of everlasting punishment.” The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the “nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the “Other World” as featuring “pits of fire” for “the damned.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960, pp. 135, 144, 149, 151, 153, 161, 200.

“Hellfire” has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries. It is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol. XIV, p. 81) said: “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.” Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at a correct understanding of their true significance.

Jermimiah 7: 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31?And they have built the high places of To?pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin?nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

What is the condition of the dead?

Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”

Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “all his thinking,” NE; “plans,” RS, NAB] do perish.”

John 11:11-14: “‘Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.’ . . . Jesus said to them outspokenly: ‘Lazarus has died.’” (Also Psalm 13:3)

COSMOS's picture

Guys its Monday, its not Sunday, which means you shouldn't be so inspired since it isnt right after church sermon.  How bout we save the sermons for Sunday please.

Erudite Redneck's picture

I'm a redneck can you break down your complaint to one or two sentences?

Erudite Redneck's picture

Just kdding.  I will defer to Jesus, what he said about being cast out and what takes place in Hell, Death, the Gehenna, etc, etc. 

The Narrow Way

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

Erudite Redneck's picture
Matthew 22:32

New King James Version (NKJV)

32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?[a] God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Wow, you southerners are out in full force today, is the TV with the avangelist channels broken ????

ebworthen's picture

The bankers love Christians who "render unto Caesar" and work hard while paying them 6%-29% interest.

The Muslims at least have a prohibition against usury; though they seem troubled in this modern age as well.

This story begs the question of why the Socialist paradise is engaged with crony capitalists.

Shakespeare wrote "...neither a borrower nor a lender be...", but it seems the banksters have constructed a world where individuals and governments are beholden to them for survival.

Central banks which rob public treasuries, debase currencies, and inflate commodity and asset prices along with the mis-allocating resources are merely tools of the private banks.

There doesn't seem to be a mass of people or a military willing to dethrone the banksters from their private international monarchy.

Seek_Truth's picture

ebworthen:

Shakespeare clearly borrowed from the Bible when he uttered those famous words:

Prov 22:7: "The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."

And don't get me started on what the Bible says about interest, and the "magic spell" of fiat currency and fractional reserve banking.

"babylon the great" anyone?

The whore who sits on the backs of kings?

 

ebworthen's picture

No doubt; Jesus did flip over the money-changers tables.

The bankers do love us hard working honest Christians; we pay our bills, they don't.  They get bailed out by our government, we don't.  They get free money at .05% to lend out to us at 4.5%-29%.  They run the Central Bank that pays us nothing for saving, debases the currency, and provides liquidity to banks to gamble in the equities casino - bill to our progeny in the future.

And we don't revolt or demand a change, we just let them keep rolling right along robbing and oppressing us; along with the rest of the world.

What a deal!

Seek_Truth's picture

ebworthen:

Amen, bro! you nailed it!

"For your merchants were the greatest in the world, and you deceived the nations with your sorceries." - Revelation 18:23

Seek_Truth's picture

cornflakesdisease

While the scriptures you cite are true, you are misled in other ways.

Jehober widness much?

Get out, save yourself and those you love from the lies blended with truth.


DirtyHowi's picture

kindly toddle back to the economic collapse blog where your fictional account of the universe is more readily accepted.

Seek_Truth's picture

Erudite Redneck

You should already know this:

2 Timothy 3

 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

That's easy Redneck, because god doesn't exist. Why wouldn't you believe in Santa Claus that brings gifts to every houselhold at Christmas time? That's easy Redneck, because Santa Claus doesn't exist. Why not believe in the tooth fairy that leaves cash under your pillow in exchange for a tooth? That's easy Redneck because the tooth fairy doesn't exist. You see, you learn not believe in dumb things from an early age, you just have to extend that critical thinking to your grey bearded invisble skyman.

Besides, if the bible predicts all this stuff then the destruction of the world is a good thing and every christian should rejoice. This is the truly sick nature of the bible and the people who believe it. Every christian should absolutely covet the destruction of this world because it will (in their feeble minds) highlight the return of jesus and their ascent to heaven.

Seek_Truth's picture

@Hemorrhoid:

I'm rejoicin'!!!

 

(Worthless arrogant God haters not so much.) 

 

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

I don't hate god because it isn't possible to hate something that does not exist.

Have you ever considered just even for a moment that you are actually crazy?

I'm not even trying to be funny here, but you people who hear voices in your head may well be schizophrenic, you people who believe in prophecies may wll be delusional.

It's not really a laughing matter but with the way you guys go on, honestly, you seriously have to question your sanity.  

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Do you have any original thought whatsoever?

The bible says this, the bible says that. There is so much more interesting and intelligible thinkers and authors in this world that it is a shame you are so obsessed with the bible. 

You want inspiration, try reading the Living Planet and Life on earth by David Attenborough. 

 

Mabussur's picture

Believe whay you wish (or don't). The fact is that the bible provides sound advice to live you life as a good man. If you choose to not believe the narrative, don't but do not discard the message it conveys.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

Just because you can't touch or taste or feel something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. It also doesn't necessarily mean it does exist but if you can't prove it one way or the other with the information at hand.

If something was so god damned advanced that you couldn't recognize it how would you know?

Learn a simple lesson and that be smart enough to know how little you do know or you will never progress and just fall into the same traps as everyone else over and over and over and over. Just another symptom of idoltry and worship.

 

Erudite Redneck's picture

I can't really argue with your beliefs.  I can and will wish you well though.  I will pray that God will bless your life beyond measure.

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

The term pray is a very loaded word. What you mean is you will recite in your mind a statement such as "Please god have mercy on Asteroids soul" and believe this communication is being received by an invisible entity outside this universe. This is nutty stuff. 

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Keep in mind that it's not the individual that I am remotely interested in attacking because in the end we are all struggling through this mysterious thing we call life. However, the idea of gods, jesus, prophecies, angels, prayers I will will attack as delusional and ultimately destructive for life on earth. If these thoughts are kept to oneself then live and let live I say. when brought to bear on a non-believing public then the gloves come off.

You people have to concede that you will rejoice at full scale nuclear war because this is precisely the fire and brimstone your book of revelations would most readily have "seemed to predict". Seek_Truth calls God haters arrogant. Is there really anyone more arrogant than a christian who "KNOWS" their god is the one, who "KNOWS" they are going to heaven, who "KNOWS" their prescription of morality is absolute and correct.

Colonel Klink's picture

Because usually the educated and informed stop believing the big story book.

I believe religion was described as the opium of the masses.