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No Drinking Water In Venezuela Until Bankers Get Paid Back

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2013 was a good year for Goldman Sachs investments in Emerging Markets, most notably Venezuelan bonds (as they bet on socialism and won). A year later and Goldman's EM debt portfolio is still loaded with Venezuelan bonds... and the arrears are mounting. As Bloomberg reports, at a time when Venezuela’s record $25 billion in arrears to importers has its citizens waiting hours in line to buy drinking water and crossing borders in search of medicine, President Nicolas Maduro is using the nation’s dwindling supply of dollars to enrich bondholders.


As Bloomberg reports,

Venezuela, which imports just about everything, and its state oil producer have paid $2.8 billion in interest to overseas creditors this year, according to Barclays Plc. Including debt principal, bondholder outlays will balloon to almost $10 billion by year-end, the London-based firm estimates.

By putting off the local companies responsible for supplying everything from diapers to cancer medications, Maduro can preserve access to debt markets and protect oil shipments that would be vulnerable to bondholder seizure, said Alejandro Arreaza, an analyst at Barclays. Even if that means fanning the world’s fastest inflation and inflaming protests over shortages that have left at least 42 people dead since February.

The government’s priority is to pay the sovereign debt,” Alejandro Arreaza, an analyst at Barclays Plc, said in a telephone interview from New York.

Of course, it's not just the government debt but state-owned entities that need the USD and are getting priority over the thirsty population...

State oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA is seeking a loan to pay off $3 billion of debt that matures this year and isn’t planning additional dollar bond sales in 2014, a company official said yesterday. PDVSA, as the Caracas-based company is known, is working to refinance an additional $11.9 billion of dollar debt due through 2017 to bring its annual maturities to no more than $3 billion, said the official, who asked not to be identified because he isn’t authorized to speak publicly.


It’s the first time that it’s ever reached this critical level,” he said by telephone. “And it’s clear that they can’t pay it off at once.”


“There has been a divergence between what happens to Venezuelan bonds in the international market and what happens to businesses that operate inside of Venezuela,”

As one analysts noted... just like everywhere else in the world...

“The market is giving Venezuela the benefit of the doubt and hopes that it applies other economic measures that in one form or another will guarantee its capacity to repay bondholders,”



And so it goes...


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Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:46 | 4839413 Erudite Redneck
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Psalm 37

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Heritage of the Righteous and the Calamity of the Wicked A Psalm of David.

37 Do not fret because of evildoers,
Nor be envious of the workers of iniquity.
For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,
And wither as the green herb.

Trust in the Lord, and do good;
Dwell in the land, and feed on His faithfulness.
Delight yourself also in the Lord,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

Commit your way to the Lord,
Trust also in Him,
And He shall bring it to pass.
He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light,
And your justice as the noonday.

Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him;
Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way,
Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass.
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath;
Do not fret—it only causes harm.

For evildoers shall be cut off;
But those who wait on the Lord,
They shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more;
Indeed, you will look carefully for his place,
But it shall be no more.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

12 The wicked plots against the just,
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
13 The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn the sword
And have bent their bow,
To cast down the poor and needy,
To slay those who are of upright conduct.
15 Their sword shall enter their own heart,
And their bows shall be broken.

16 A little that a righteous man has
Is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken,
But the Lord upholds the righteous.

18 The Lord knows the days of the upright,
And their inheritance shall be forever.
19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time,
And in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish;
And the enemies of the Lord,
Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish.
Into smoke they shall vanish away.

21 The wicked borrows and does not repay,
But the righteous shows mercy and gives.
22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be cut off.

23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord,
And He delights in his way.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down;
For the Lord upholds him with His hand.

25 I have been young, and now am old;
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken,
Nor his descendants begging bread.
26 He is ever merciful, and lends;
And his descendants are blessed.

27 Depart from evil, and do good;
And dwell forevermore.
28 For the Lord loves justice,
And does not forsake His saints;
They are preserved forever,
But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

30 The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom,
And his tongue talks of justice.
31 The law of his God is in his heart;
None of his steps shall slide.

32 The wicked watches the righteous,
And seeks to slay him.
33 The Lord will not leave him in his hand,
Nor condemn him when he is judged.

34 Wait on the Lord,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.
35 I have seen the wicked in great power,
And spreading himself like a native green tree.
36 Yet he passed away,[a] and behold, he was no more;
Indeed I sought him, but he could not be found.

37 Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright;
For the future of that man is peace.
38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together;
The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

39 But the salvation of the righteous is from the Lord;
He is their strength in the time of trouble.
40 And the Lord shall help them and deliver them;
He shall deliver them from the wicked,
And save them,
Because they trust in Him.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:51 | 4839421 The Most Intere...
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And the God said, let there be Mila Kunis. And so it was done.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:59 | 4839430 COSMOS
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Dude couldn't you quote Shakespeare, his stuff is a lot more interesting and better written too...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:03 | 4839436 Erudite Redneck
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I find it kind of comforting.   A lot of ZHers get upset at the criminal class, who wouldn't right?  This reminds us that ultimately we do not need to get mad, God is in control.  

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:08 | 4839450 kchrisc
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God in control, guillotine at shotgun.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:09 | 4839455 Erudite Redneck
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Matthew 10:28

New King James Version (NKJV)

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:23 | 4839478 Erudite Redneck
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Why would people not want to believe in a God of Love and Justice?  Only on ZH does God get down votes.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:34 | 4839501 NoDebt
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God's got damned little to do with this matter, Redneck.  This is purely human greed at work here.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:44 | 4839523 boogerbently
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EVERYTHING ZH'ers rebel against is predicted in the Bible.

Yet, so many are blind to it's truths......ALSO predicted in the Bible.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:21 | 4839602 Richard Chesler
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Hitler had a really nice plan for new bankers. They said he was a psycho.


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:04 | 4839707 sylviasays
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Getting back to the story about that Socialist Communist paradise known as Venezuela, The Wall Street Journal had an interesting story today about how Venezuelans are smuggling state subsidized and price controlled goods out of the country and into Colombia where they sell the goods at a hefty markup. 

"With it's heavy intervention in the economy, Venezuela now imports three quarters of what it consumes but loses a third of its goods to illegal cross border trade."

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:13 | 4839821 negative rates
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Looks like a future Madoff storyline. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:37 | 4839839 Divine
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Are you religious cunts really that stupid? OF cource the Bible has some valuable information - but it was wirtten by nomadic sheep hearders with their very limited understanding of the universe.


You should not underestimate people who dont believe that these sand niggers got it right 2000 years ago. People can be spiritual & follow moral without believing in some bullshit story edited 2000 times.


I feel sad for all the people who believe in organized religion. IMO they are not clever enough to have a right to vote :)



Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:43 | 4839907 Rogue Trooper
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Totally agree.  Any 'isim is so fucked up. Hell we got the nutcase Obama socialist retards to the left of me and these god fearing evangelical's to the right of me.

Hear I am, stuck in the middle, I'm fucked.

As a libertarain I wish they would ALL fuck off and leave me alone.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:07 | 4839925 Urban Redneck
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"I feel sad for all the people who believe in xyz. IMO they are not clever enough to have a right to vote."

Said the Oligarch of the fringe blog posters.

Said the Bankster of the Goyim.

That's a rather naive road to disenfranchisement (and worse) for yourself that you're setting off on.

There are very good reasons that the intellectual threshold for suffrage is only competence, as frustrating as that might be at times.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:52 | 4840050 Raging Debate
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According to Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs they are doing "God's work". To those new here this is actually what this man said.

The Central Banking system has conquered the world. But all I see now is larger repeat of the history of the robber barons and the river Rhine. Setting up unlimited toll booths and enforced by military arms means people will find an alternative means of trade.

If all means of trade are throttled it is only a matter of time before a national leader emerges that realizes nuking the source of the bottleneck is the only way forward for the rest of mankind. It is this I physically hedge against. It looks inevitable. Education is a big part of it. A gallon of chlorine, a couple buckets and a walk to a pond within a couple miles would aave waiting in line for hours. Not getting some meds are a real bitch though and life and death.

As for philosophy and satisfactory living, I find two quotes to sum up all spirituality:

"The only life worth living is on behalf of others." - Albert Einstein
"Love your neighbor as yourself" - Jesus Christ

As for castles, muskets and cannon they were eventually overcome by newer technologies. The harder growth is suppressed the harder the mind accelerates (by adrenaline and increased beta brain waves) to create new tools. A true global society will be managed by consensus, not dictate. So yet another model (tool) of conquest has conquered the globe. The only good news from the time of say Rome to now is the rate of business. What took centuries happens in decades now.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:37 | 4839508 0b1knob
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What is so unreasonable about expecting Venezuela (and student loan deadbeats and NINJA mortgage idiots) to PAY THEIR DEBT?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:59 | 4839550 COSMOS
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Yeah what is so unreasonable about it, ask the govt of the USA also, ask it why it can't pay without shitting on the dollar at the same time.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:14 | 4839591 Erudite Redneck
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I think it is totally reasonable to expect everyone to repay their debts.  My point is why do we let our selves get so upset with the criminal banking /political classes that scheme to impoverish everyone.  Wait on God and in the mean time pay your bills.  As Bob Marley said don't worry be happy.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:28 | 4839891 ChopperReid
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Shut yer pie hole you bloody pooftah!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:45 | 4840019 pazmaker
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Redneck.... NOT BOB MARLEY!!!!   Yea Yea I know all them black jamaicans look and sing alike right?


Bobby McFerrin is the artist that sings Don't Worry Be Happy!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 11:04 | 4840576 nixy
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You think it is reasonable for everyone to repay their debts....?? But all debts are NOT equal. That's the beauty of the scam...... good people feel obliged to repay debt...... 'cos someone might lose out, yes???? NO!!!..... you are NOT obliged to repay a debt created from fuck all ....... Voters need to be educated.....and government, sure as shit, won't do it.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:40 | 4839513 rehypothecator
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It is difficult to believe in God when certain people do not get struck by lightning. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:14 | 4839653 Seek_Truth
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"It is difficult to believe in God when certain people do not get struck by lightning."

From a human standpoint, unfortunately, yes.

But from God's standpoint, a blink of an eye, and we are judged-

by Him!

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. -2 Peter 3:8

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:32 | 4839677 COSMOS
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speaking of getting struck  by lightning I guess God decided to judge this guy and let him stay a little longer....HAHAHAH

Watch all the way to the end LOL

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:14 | 4839747 OldPhart
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First time I got struck Ithought someone had shot me.  Picked my ass up out of the water and mud and scooted back to my car and hauled ass off.  About a mile down the road my right arm started to cramp up, then my neck...and I had this burning sensation on my neck.

Drove to the doctor in town and told them I thought I'd been shot.  They took me right back and had me take off my shirt.  By that point my arm and neck were in agony with the cramps and spasms.  When the shirt came off I heard the doctor and her aide gasp.  They put up mirrors and showed me that I had zigzagged blisters and bright, burning red from the right side of my neck down my back.  It was awesome.

A couple weeks later we were called out to get a body from a slouce (volunteer ambulance squad) that had been struck by lightning.  I was being razzed by everyone (deputies, volunteer fire, and ambulance) about staying away so they wouldn't get hit.

Got to the body...totally cooked.  Picking up his legs was like handling sausage, and the, um, aroma...still can't eat sausage and that's been over thirty years ago.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:03 | 4839745 OldPhart
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Fuck you all...

I've been hit by lightning three times...and I'm not a banker, politician or criminal.  I haven't knowingly hurt anyone in my life (other than sarcasm, a shovel full of reality smacking right in the face, or blistering the ass of one of my sons when they were younger.)

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:49 | 4839531 cornflakesdisease
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Because you perpetuate falsehoods and people are tired of lies.


Matt 28: 10 And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Ge·hen?na

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew she?ohl? and the Greek hai?des. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from she?ohl? 31 times and from hai?des 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since she?ohl? is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version she?ohl? is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.
In 1885, with the publication of the complete English Revised Version, the original word she?ohl? was in many places transliterated into the English text of the Hebrew Scriptures, though, in most occurrences, “grave” and “pit” were used, and “hell” is found some 14 times. This was a point on which the American committee disagreed with the British revisers, and so, when producing the American Standard Version (1901) they transliterated she?ohl? in all 65 of its appearances. Both versions transliterated hai?des in the Christian Greek Scriptures in all ten of its occurrences, though the Greek word Ge?en·na (English, “Gehenna”) is rendered “hell” throughout, as is true of many other modern translations.

Concerning this use of “hell” to translate these original words from the Hebrew and Greek, Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 2, p. 187) says: “HADES . . . It corresponds to ‘Sheol’ in the O.T. [Old Testament]. In the A.V. of the O.T. [Old Testament] and N.T. [New Testament], it has been unhappily rendered ‘Hell.’”

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”

It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.

The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grolier Universal Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9, p. 205) under “Hell” says: “Hindus and Buddhists regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration. Islamic tradition considers it as a place of everlasting punishment.” The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the “nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the “Other World” as featuring “pits of fire” for “the damned.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960, pp. 135, 144, 149, 151, 153, 161, 200.

“Hellfire” has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries. It is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol. XIV, p. 81) said: “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.” Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at a correct understanding of their true significance.

Jermimiah 7: 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31?And they have built the high places of To?pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin?nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

What is the condition of the dead?

Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”

Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “all his thinking,” NE; “plans,” RS, NAB] do perish.”

John 11:11-14: “‘Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.’ . . . Jesus said to them outspokenly: ‘Lazarus has died.’” (Also Psalm 13:3)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:00 | 4839552 COSMOS
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Guys its Monday, its not Sunday, which means you shouldn't be so inspired since it isnt right after church sermon.  How bout we save the sermons for Sunday please.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:06 | 4839565 Erudite Redneck
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I'm a redneck can you break down your complaint to one or two sentences?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:10 | 4839578 Erudite Redneck
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Just kdding.  I will defer to Jesus, what he said about being cast out and what takes place in Hell, Death, the Gehenna, etc, etc. 

The Narrow Way

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:23 | 4839603 Erudite Redneck
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Matthew 22:32

New King James Version (NKJV)

32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?[a] God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:26 | 4839668 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Wow, you southerners are out in full force today, is the TV with the avangelist channels broken ????

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:42 | 4839623 ebworthen
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The bankers love Christians who "render unto Caesar" and work hard while paying them 6%-29% interest.

The Muslims at least have a prohibition against usury; though they seem troubled in this modern age as well.

This story begs the question of why the Socialist paradise is engaged with crony capitalists.

Shakespeare wrote "...neither a borrower nor a lender be...", but it seems the banksters have constructed a world where individuals and governments are beholden to them for survival.

Central banks which rob public treasuries, debase currencies, and inflate commodity and asset prices along with the mis-allocating resources are merely tools of the private banks.

There doesn't seem to be a mass of people or a military willing to dethrone the banksters from their private international monarchy.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:59 | 4839639 Seek_Truth
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Shakespeare clearly borrowed from the Bible when he uttered those famous words:

Prov 22:7: "The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."

And don't get me started on what the Bible says about interest, and the "magic spell" of fiat currency and fractional reserve banking.

"babylon the great" anyone?

The whore who sits on the backs of kings?


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:00 | 4839702 ebworthen
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No doubt; Jesus did flip over the money-changers tables.

The bankers do love us hard working honest Christians; we pay our bills, they don't.  They get bailed out by our government, we don't.  They get free money at .05% to lend out to us at 4.5%-29%.  They run the Central Bank that pays us nothing for saving, debases the currency, and provides liquidity to banks to gamble in the equities casino - bill to our progeny in the future.

And we don't revolt or demand a change, we just let them keep rolling right along robbing and oppressing us; along with the rest of the world.

What a deal!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:04 | 4839706 Seek_Truth
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Amen, bro! you nailed it!

"For your merchants were the greatest in the world, and you deceived the nations with your sorceries." - Revelation 18:23

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:20 | 4839661 Seek_Truth
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While the scriptures you cite are true, you are misled in other ways.

Jehober widness much?

Get out, save yourself and those you love from the lies blended with truth.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:36 | 4839904 DirtyHowi
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kindly toddle back to the economic collapse blog where your fictional account of the universe is more readily accepted.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:36 | 4839614 Seek_Truth
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Erudite Redneck

You should already know this:

2 Timothy 3

 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:20 | 4839660 BringOnTheAsteroid
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That's easy Redneck, because god doesn't exist. Why wouldn't you believe in Santa Claus that brings gifts to every houselhold at Christmas time? That's easy Redneck, because Santa Claus doesn't exist. Why not believe in the tooth fairy that leaves cash under your pillow in exchange for a tooth? That's easy Redneck because the tooth fairy doesn't exist. You see, you learn not believe in dumb things from an early age, you just have to extend that critical thinking to your grey bearded invisble skyman.

Besides, if the bible predicts all this stuff then the destruction of the world is a good thing and every christian should rejoice. This is the truly sick nature of the bible and the people who believe it. Every christian should absolutely covet the destruction of this world because it will (in their feeble minds) highlight the return of jesus and their ascent to heaven.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:27 | 4839669 Seek_Truth
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I'm rejoicin'!!!


(Worthless arrogant God haters not so much.) 


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:31 | 4839676 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I don't hate god because it isn't possible to hate something that does not exist.

Have you ever considered just even for a moment that you are actually crazy?

I'm not even trying to be funny here, but you people who hear voices in your head may well be schizophrenic, you people who believe in prophecies may wll be delusional.

It's not really a laughing matter but with the way you guys go on, honestly, you seriously have to question your sanity.  

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:37 | 4839758 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Do you have any original thought whatsoever?

The bible says this, the bible says that. There is so much more interesting and intelligible thinkers and authors in this world that it is a shame you are so obsessed with the bible. 

You want inspiration, try reading the Living Planet and Life on earth by David Attenborough. 


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:59 | 4839855 Mabussur
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Believe whay you wish (or don't). The fact is that the bible provides sound advice to live you life as a good man. If you choose to not believe the narrative, don't but do not discard the message it conveys.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:56 | 4839985 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Just because you can't touch or taste or feel something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. It also doesn't necessarily mean it does exist but if you can't prove it one way or the other with the information at hand.

If something was so god damned advanced that you couldn't recognize it how would you know?

Learn a simple lesson and that be smart enough to know how little you do know or you will never progress and just fall into the same traps as everyone else over and over and over and over. Just another symptom of idoltry and worship.


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:31 | 4839675 Erudite Redneck
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I can't really argue with your beliefs.  I can and will wish you well though.  I will pray that God will bless your life beyond measure.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:33 | 4839683 BringOnTheAsteroid
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The term pray is a very loaded word. What you mean is you will recite in your mind a statement such as "Please god have mercy on Asteroids soul" and believe this communication is being received by an invisible entity outside this universe. This is nutty stuff. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:42 | 4839688 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Keep in mind that it's not the individual that I am remotely interested in attacking because in the end we are all struggling through this mysterious thing we call life. However, the idea of gods, jesus, prophecies, angels, prayers I will will attack as delusional and ultimately destructive for life on earth. If these thoughts are kept to oneself then live and let live I say. when brought to bear on a non-believing public then the gloves come off.

You people have to concede that you will rejoice at full scale nuclear war because this is precisely the fire and brimstone your book of revelations would most readily have "seemed to predict". Seek_Truth calls God haters arrogant. Is there really anyone more arrogant than a christian who "KNOWS" their god is the one, who "KNOWS" they are going to heaven, who "KNOWS" their prescription of morality is absolute and correct.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:51 | 4839694 Colonel Klink
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Because usually the educated and informed stop believing the big story book.

I believe religion was described as the opium of the masses.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:09 | 4839710 TeethVillage88s
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Klink: Looks like laws were passed down from Mesopotamia.

The first copy of the code, in two fragments found at Nippur, was translated by Samuel Kramer in 1952; owing to its partial preservation, only the prologue and 5 of the laws were discernible.[2] Further tablets were found in Ur and translated in 1965, allowing some 40 of the 57 laws to be reconstructed.[3] Another copy found in Sippar contains slight variants.[4]

Sorry, I think there is a Rock Carved with Laws 5000 years old, but the name of the rock discovered in 20th century is not coming to my mind.

Gist: We have fought for Human Rights or Individual Rights for 7,000 years... and the earliest law carved in stone is over 5,000 years old. Lawyers are 5,000 years old. And revisionists of history are 5,000 years old. And those that dumb us down were described 5,000 years old in the oldest societies as they classified us into different strata based on royalty, wealth, and being immigrants.

No offense intended.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:11 | 4839711 TeethVillage88s
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In fact as I remember: Laws from Mesopotamia were passed to Semitic Societies. These were both Islamist and Jewish societies.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:14 | 4839714 Colonel Klink
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Not sure what that had to do with the grand story book.  It's a compilation of man's stories.  Hardly the word of god in my opinion.  Religion thoughout the ages has been about control, not deity.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:45 | 4839843 Divine
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Its the rosetta stone.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:11 | 4839712 Seek_Truth
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Yes Colonel, because this is ZH and we all find "wisdom" in the words of Karl Marx.




PS- "Big Story Book" = "Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher", nein?



Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:26 | 4839716 Colonel Klink
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Frankly I couldn't give two shits about Karl Marx or the story book of control.  Keep seeking that "truth" while doing your little cut and paste scriptures.  Funny how those what preach tolerance are the least tolerant when it comes to questioning their beliefs.

Nein, big story book equals pretty much every religious tome which espouses how people are supposed to act or believe or else damnation and death will be upon you.

And YES in fact religion is the opium of the masses, it keeps them codified and cowed to the religious leaders.  Just because you may dislike/disagree with the person, doesn't nullify the truth.  You need to seek a little hard there bub.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:34 | 4839725 Seek_Truth
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And while many times I appreciate your comments, Colonel, I mostly disagree with you on this- It comes down to how you define "religion", it is a much misunderstood word.

PS- I ain't talkin' denominations or congregations.

PPS- I'm the guy that "greened" ya.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:39 | 4839730 Colonel Klink
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Fair enough.  And while you probably think I'm some sort of athiest heathen, I'm a former youth counselor.  I just lost my taste for much of the BS of organized religion.

Greened you in return for a fair and balanced comment.  I'd rather remain brothers in a common cause rather than enemies base upon different beliefs.

Top of the morning to you Seeker.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 02:41 | 4839731 Seek_Truth
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Amen, Colonel! You and I share something in common.

"organized" religion, lol.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:40 | 4839841 Divine
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Erudite Redneck:


So you admit that you WANT to believe in something that is similar to your personal morale?


If teachings of religions were true, These things wouldnt be up for debate.


Religions are the poision for true enlightment about the universe.


And no, the earth is not 6000 years old.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:39 | 4839509 kchrisc
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No fear here, just pissed.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:27 | 4839829 negative rates
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That's you brother, the soul can only save the body, not the other way around.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:04 | 4839437 COSMOS
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YHWH sayith thou shalt do as the Romans have done

For thee the sponge on a stick for thy fundus wipe

With a cleansingth ceramic pot by the latrine sideth

For the lord did sayith, have not dealings with the money changers

For they depriveth thee of thy yellow and black gold

And enslave you in debtors hell on earth, for that is how they scourge bare the fertile lands of my creation.

Thus I have created the Second Amendment for thee to free yourself of these bonds...

Constitutional Psalms rough drafts 6th rendition...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:07 | 4839449 Erudite Redneck
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LOL.  God did give much wisdom to our founding fathers though didn't He?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:10 | 4839458 COSMOS
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Yeah he did but they came up with their own good shit, they didn't quote the scriptures that heavily.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:13 | 4840118 KickIce
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The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
• At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:06 | 4839648 Seek_Truth
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You are in need of education on this.

Please cite chapter and verse (there aren't any).

Here is the basis from which you get our disinformation/lack of understanding:

Please stop showing your ignorance.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:51 | 4839695 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Do you yhink if you were born in India you'd be a christian or a hindu?

Do you think if you were born in Saudia Arabia you'd be a christian or a muslim?

Your conviction is an illusion.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:57 | 4839701 Seek_Truth
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What you imagine I am is what you are now.

You fail to realize what applied wisdom through living a full life affords "you".

That is all for now.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 04:09 | 4839772 BringOnTheAsteroid
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What I am is a schmuck stumbling through life.

Funny thing though, so are we all. Even the so called elite.

We don't know jack squat about the origin of the universe and when a christian comes along and honestly says to me, "Yeh, you're right, I don't know either", halle-freaking-lujah.

The absolute delusion of these religions is worth many lifetimes worth of study. How they have emerged to promulgate and maintain a stark disconnect from reality for so long is interesting. If nothing else it highlights just how susceptible our minds are to group thinking.

Imagine for a moment if you will many thousands of years into the future where humans still exist but the current religions are a long forgotten byproduct of an ancient past. Lets say we have technologies so wildly advanced as to be inconceivable, that people are virtually immortal, disease eliminated, war eliminated, poverty eliminated. What then,if you were able to glimpse this world where the concept of jesus only exists in tiny minority of historians. 

Do you think such a world is possible, yes or no?

Do you think it's possible for entire belief systems to die out, yes or no?

Do you think your undying conviction of this invisible god is possibly a consequence of your upbringing, yes or no?

Do you think a vast majority of the bible is parable and if not how do you propose the time lines, events and characters were stiched together when the bible only started to be written some 70 years after jesus died? (You are not allowed to quote the bible here).

Do you think it is possible that the internal voice you interpret to be gods is in fact your own internal dialogue, yes or no? 

If you believe in god and the devil how can you be certain that the devil didn't scatter the world with different holy books to make people confused, to distract them from the path to the real god and to give them an excuse over which to fight? Remember, everything in all the holy books has been dictated by the devil (impersonating god) to the authors. So everything in all the books is to ensure maximum confusion.

Despite their short comings, noone can claim humans aren't at least interesting. 


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:11 | 4843275 Seek_Truth
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You have spoken truth.

I invite you to think of this:

‘Go to this people and say:
“Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand;
And seeing you will see, and not perceive;
27 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”

PS- Keep an open mind.


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:54 | 4839697 sylviasays
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The Wall Street Journal had an interesting story today about how Venezuelans are smuggling state subsidized and price controlled goods out of the country and into Colombia where they sell the goods at a hefty markup. 

"With it's heavy intervention in the economy, Venezuela now imports three quarters of what it consumes but loses a third of its goods to illegal cross border trade."


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:55 | 4840279 The Most Intere...
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LOL haters...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:47 | 4839528 boogerbently
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Sabotaging the tyrants soccer agenda

AND NO ONE wants to sponsor the OLYMPICS !!! 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:02 | 4839553 The_Dude
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I am starting to like this one more everyday.....Joshua 1:9

"This is my command--be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For the LORD your God is with you wherever you go."

Dudes interpretation....`when it is called for, get out there and fight for God's sake`....

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:25 | 4839882 Quinvarius
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Downvoting bible quotes on ZH is a one way ticket to Hell.  Go retract your downvotes.  Plus this one is relevant.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:48 | 4839418 The Most Intere...
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Maduro is a fucking cunt! Just set the mother fucker on fire and watch him burn. Then his lieutenants, same thing...

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:07 | 4839446 COSMOS
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Its not all his fault, the USA is much more effective at wreaking havoc with his tiny country that it is with Russia's (whick is much more self sufficient)

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Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:50 | 4839420 The Blank Stare
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Was that really necessary?

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:52 | 4839424 disabledvet
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Gives new meaning to the term "oil for food program." The irony being "they've got the oil."

I mean this is not "surprising" from the Goldman point of view.

It is a little odd that a Socialist State would be such a toady for capitalism.

Some "revolution."

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:31 | 4839494 NoDebt
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Vet- in case it's not obvious, the government there is 100% in alignment with Wall St.  They are playing in OUR financial world.  If their citizens happen to starve, so be it.  All the elites money in that country is with Wall St.  They are looking out for their own personal self interests.

That's what gets missed in all of this.  You would think a leader of a country would have his personal fortunes at least SOMEWHAT tied to those of his country, but they are NOT.  They'll do ANYTHING to keep their Wall St. masters appeased.  For now.  If that means starving or shooting their own citizens, that's what will happen.

There is (curently) only one game in town- western banks.  Russia and China are trying to build an "alternative" to that, but it's not there yet for far-flung countries like Venezuela.  


Mon, 06/09/2014 - 22:59 | 4839431 Iriestx
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It's like seeing America 10 years from now,

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:09 | 4839452 COSMOS
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Time to look for Dochen's alternative country list....


Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:10 | 4839456 kchrisc
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If in 10 years the DC US even exists, I will eat this hat I am wearing.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:23 | 4839475 sethstorm
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With or without salt?  You'll be eating it.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:02 | 4839556 COSMOS
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I hear its a chocolate hat and he's dying to find an excuse to eat it.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:05 | 4839442 kchrisc
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Guillotine the banksters, get the water turned back on.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:35 | 4839504 Dublinmick
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Maduro and Chavez kissed the satanic pope's hand. They ain't that disconnected.

One reason Russia has very little to do with them.

Mon, 06/09/2014 - 23:47 | 4839529 Nue
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Since were quoting scripture tonight let's remember the book does says "The borrower is the slave to the lender." And whatever your beliefs the person that wrote that knew what he was talking about.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:05 | 4839564 Dublinmick
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"LOL.  God did give much wisdom to our founding fathers though didn't He?"


The founding fathers were royal arch masons. .... George Washington and the bunch of them. The psyop was let them believe they defeated the empire and have freedom while we once again issue the money. That was when direct intervention failed. The settlers were game but not very smart as they got the end around shortly after the revolution.

They are still printing the money and the sheeple run out into to the streets shouting USA USA, as good mercenary soldiers are expected to do. America now owes the descendants of the founding fathers (City of London) 18 trillion dollars. How do you plan on paying that? ......... Let me answer that, you do what you are told and invade whoever is next up.

Henry Kissinger is quoted as saying .... American soldiers are dumb beasts who carry out state department wishes.

It pains me to say it, but the zios are right in respect to the summation of many of the worlds population.   "dumb beasts without the power of abstract thought" Of course the brain washing over millenia, vaccines, dental mercury lead, GMO, hormones, aspartame, teflon, aluminium cookware, poisoned wells etc etc certainly contributed to the situation.

However the Kali Yuga always ends this way.


Sometime around 23 hundred years ago we see in the Mahabharata Ydhishthira has a vision of the age to come: I see the coming of another age, where barbaric kings rule over a vicious, broken world, where puny, fearful men live tiny lives, white hair at sixteen, copulating with animals, their women perfect whores, making love with greedy mouths. The cows dry, trees stunted, no more flowers, no more purity, ambition, corruption, the age of Kali, the black time."

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:15 | 4839593 COSMOS
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Interesting guy this John Law, one of the early pioneers of the paper currency system.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 00:39 | 4839618 Spungo
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The mongolians were famous for drinking the blood of their horses. I bet one could live on banker blood for a while.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:32 | 4839678 Soul Glow
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Someone please start the revolution.  I've tried; it didn't work.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:43 | 4839690 thamnosma
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Imported drinking water??  What about all those fantastic socialist infrastructure programs?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 01:55 | 4839700 Colonel Klink
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They ran out of other people's money.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:40 | 4839759 AnAnonymous
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Why other people's money?

They are running out of their money, which is soaked up by the necessary repayment on debt hold by 'americans'.

This is where their money goes.

Several kinds of debt:

-the debt hold by 'americans', never supposed to be repaid as 'americans' have consumed much more than they can return. Even full repo of everything owned by 'americans' wont be enough to break even. This kind of debt is an adequate tool to ensure 'americans' remain at the top in the consumption department.

-the debt hold by some others, meant to be repaid in full and more, an efficient tool to squeeze out resources out of a country and make it sure those resources are consumed in a way that satisfied those who hold the debt, id est 'americans'.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 03:42 | 4839760 AnAnonymous
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The harsh bite of reality on 'americans'

'Americans' love to tell tales of people who starve themselves, who saved in order to reach a higher status.

Yet when they see the sight of that stuff in action, they cant govern themselves and must exhibit their 'american' nature.

Few things are supposed to be real in an 'american' world. The rest must be let to the realm of fantasy.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 05:05 | 4839792 Peter Pan
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80 comments so far and the name Venezuela is mentioned in only 4 comments.

It always pisses me off to see the US interfering in these countries, spending good money and getting bad press when all they have to do is sit back and let these pseudo socialist heavens sink as a result of their own governance.

Wake up Obama and minders.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:10 | 4839866 BeansMcGreens
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Or the fact of how does this effect the availiabilty of drinking water. Do they sell water along with oil? Or are the Venzeuelians suffering a natural or man-made drought?

Maybe the american government should send some bottled water down there, before they all decide to come up here. Plenty of nice, iced cooled water in the Great Lakes,

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:20 | 4839877 firstdivision
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If you like sewage with your water, then yes, there's pelenty of nice water.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:58 | 4839852 no more banksters
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Venezuela: A plan for coup d'état and assassination of Maduro

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 06:58 | 4839853 q99x2
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Squirming squirming squirming keep dem banksters squirming


Something do not sound right.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:19 | 4839876 firstdivision
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Don't pay the bondholders, and stop exporting oil.  Let me know how long the bankers last until they force the US military to invade Venezuela.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:34 | 4839898 DirtyHowi
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umm where?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 07:53 | 4839914 rsnoble
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Hurry US........sign an exc order to send half of Walmart's bottled water to Ven.  The people won't mind.  They love to give everything away.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 08:51 | 4840045 XitSam
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The government’s priority is to starve the people, as long as the banks get paid,” Alejandro Arreaza, an analyst at Barclays Plc, said in a telephone interview from New York.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:02 | 4840080 GoldenShowers
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Going to take their gold back!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:20 | 4840141 bbq on whitehou...
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For a more civil understanding of the bible and human nature may i suggest replaceing "God" with "Lawfulness".
This may help with understanding Lawfulness. Logic and reason are not the enemies of the bible. Are we civil or beasts. Which will win out in our nature.
If our inner beast wins we become as we were, if our civility wins we lose our inner beast. If all you got from the bible was an invisiable man in the sky, you missed the whole point of any of it.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 09:36 | 4840194 Duude
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Socialism has so wrecked the Venezuelan economy that if it weren't for the greatest oil reserves in South America, Venezuela would have been surrendered to the jungle years ago.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:04 | 4840815 fallst
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Please fix these single word....narrow column replies...


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Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:37 | 4840949 ThisIsBob
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Chavez and Maduro got all the poor people to vote for them on the promise of hope and change.

Sounds familar.

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