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Marc Faber Blasts "American Military Presence In Asia Is Completely Unacceptable"

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Submitted by Keith Hilden via Squawkonomics,

In our latest Squawkonomics interview with Marc Faber, we were told a story of a petulant and wincing state carrying a heavy burden and unwilling to release its full spectrum dominance view on its administration of the world in light of a recent economic fallback, a declining economic share of the global economy, and the very stewardship of the global reserve currency being in flux. The story did not have a clear ending, nor did the reign of the world come effortlessly into the hands of newly important states. Nor did it portend the future of frontier markets and developing countries that could very well benefit from a US with a declining share of global GDP. Perhaps overlooking a wide expanse of undeveloped frontier markets, a quote from Dune author Frank Herbert would be best. “There is no real ending. It’s just the place where you stop the story.”

Indeed, that however the reserve currency question is answered, and however US economic hegemony looks in 10 or 20 years, there is one inevitable variable that stays constant throughout the geopolitical and economic King of the Hill tug of war between global powers. As two or more tigers duel on a mountain for global financial supremacy, the continued development of the rest of the developing world goes on unabated. That is a guarantee.

Marc told Squawkonomics that the Western imposition of its its administrative view of the world was being met with Nation States with quite different ideas of how the world should be run. From border demarcations and enforcement, to administration of the global reserve currency and global commodity exchange hub shifting, these positions of power and privilege have been thrown up in the air due to hasty decisions and management. In doing so, there are the makings of a multipolar world created from the current schism of US economic hegemony- a process the US is looking to halt- or at least manage- so that the outcome is still favorable to US interests. Faber also calls out the US pivot to Asia as a “China's backyard” geopolitical move headed by the neocons of Washington as a misguided policy. He wonders aloud what they must be thinking to contemplate such a move, knowing the US would be equally feeling threatened if China set up a military base just outside Toronto or Tijuana.

And Faber is quite clear on his stance regarding America's pivot to Asia:

FABER: "I am not God, I am not here to judge who is right and who is wrong, but if I were China, if you look at geopolitics in Asia from a Chinese perspective, its completely unacceptable in the long run to have American military presence in Asia".


FABER: "As a large power like France and Britain and America, you might be able to push around small countries, but you can't push around a country that has twice the population of Europe and the United States, and has become a relatively modern state with military that is very powerful."


We felt the most prescient big picture comment Dr. Faber brought up was regarding declining US economic hegemony in the form of the US economy comprising a lower share of the global economy as a whole. This sparked a bone of contention with us, as we find domestic GDP posts in their current context to be less and less of a reliable indicator of real economic activity. In the meantime, however, we will use this increasingly outdated metric to demonstrate Dr. Faber's idea of ever declining share of US GDP to global markets. This is a trend that has been going on for at least 15 years, shown in the eye-popping decline of US contribution to global GDP over a decade's time.

Traditional economics through standard GDP prints every quarter always presents countries as horses on a never ending racetrack. Sometimes, a country's horse runs a bit slower to the finish line, but they all get there in the end right? Sounds like a nice way to end a fairy tale or a Hollywood movie where the underdog protagonist gets beat up only to rise up again, but that's not how real economies work. A far clearer picture of what is going on is a country's contribution to the world economy, and that's when numbers get potentially ugly and beyond what is considered polite discourse at a dinner party.

No American wants to envision the US economy declining against the world 32% over a 10 year period of 2001-2011 but that's precisely what has been happening. Noticed a bit of dilapidation around suburbs in Chicago, Detroit, and other cities of previously pulsing economic activity? That's what a 32% decline in your economic performance against other countries gets you. That money you were going to earn, or spend? That's gone off to Sao Paolo or Shanghai, where someone has outcompeted you. Perhaps on cost, perhaps on currency manipulation, perhaps on just plain get up and go spirit, but you've been had, and your future income has been extricated from you and given to someone who performs better than you.

This results in American output being about 32% less desirable or productive compared to the rest of the world. Call it the Hunger Games, or call it just a slap across the face.


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Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:59 | 4841924 Chupacabra-322
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Hey Marc,

American Militarized Police in America is unacceptable.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:06 | 4841954 Thought Processor
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And in my mind I hear Morgan Freeman saying:

"He's right, you know"

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:43 | 4842056 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hey, China have at it (IMO)!  It´s your backyard.

But, don´t be surprised if Japan responds with making its own nukes.

Don´t be surprised either if in a few years your new "pals" in Russia start liking you, well, not so much...


But, Marc Faber is right.  We are over-extended.  Bring them home.  Let Asians sort themselves out.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:51 | 4842081 economics9698
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China can fuck over the tribe by issuing another currency backed by gold.  The tribe would be gone.  Kryptonite to Superman, Gold to tribe members.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:07 | 4842112 linniepar
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The world has gone insane. Sure hope some random positive turn of events happen soon.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:15 | 4842143 economics9698
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How bad does China and Russia want the tribe to go away?  We shall see.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:50 | 4842267 Anusocracy
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The world should be "run" without anybody running it.

The cause of most of its problems is the actions of those who wish to run it.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:00 | 4842286 macholatte
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Wait a minute.......

The USA didn't start building bases all over the world just last month.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:44 | 4842423 Temporalist
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It sounds like this was broadcast from the forest moon of Endor.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:53 | 4842442 newbie vampire
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"The world has gone insane."

Primarily due to the politicians, Federal Reserve and the IRS. Instead of rewarding work, thrift and personal responsibility, we have bread and circuses. SNAPs and American Idol is not the answer.

We need a POTUS who understands middle class aspirations.  Jobs for everyone who wants to work.  For those who feel "certain" employment offerings are beneath their dignity, I would suggest they move to another country which rewards laziness.  And rewrite tax laws to penalized corporations who use tax loopholes to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.  Finally reduce national and local tax rates for everyone earning less than $30k. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:16 | 4842518 lasvegaspersona
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I'm positive there are 'jobs for everyone who wants to work'. The prevailing world wage is about $2 to5 per hour. Until the USA can adjust its wages...and it will be very painful...those jobs will be for 'everyone who wants to work' those wages.

For the USA to get back in the making stuff business the dollar must fall.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 02:01 | 4843541 RafterManFMJ
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Sure hope some random positive turn of events happen soon.

Hope isn't a strategy.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:56 | 4842100 Ying-Yang
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"you might be able to push around small countries"

You put your right hand in,
You put your right hand out,
You put your right hand in,
And you shake it all about,

You do the hokey pokey
and you turn yourself around
That what it's all about.

Pivot West and East.... Mosul falls to ISIS

Nouri Maliki said "vital areas" of the city had been seized; some 150,000 people are believed to have fled. Troops fled Mosul as hundreds of jihadists from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) overran it. The US has said ISIS threatens not just Iraq, but the entire region.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:09 | 4842117 linniepar
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Coordinated by the CIA?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:16 | 4842140 Jack Burton
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Funny too! Just across the border inside Syria, the same Al-Qaeda Jihad movement is armed, trained and funded by the USA. Our good Al-Qaeda fights for freedom against the evil Assad, on the other side of the border, the same Al-Qaeda do not enjoy USA funding, arming and training. Bad Al-Qaeda. America does not have an Al-Qaeda problem, it has a problem gaining total control over the CIA created Al-Qaeda that fought so well against the USSR, but went off the reservation in the following decades. Once again the USA has found a firm alliance with Al-Qaeda very important for freedom spreading in Syria, in aid of USA and Israeli foreign policy goals. In Iraq, the sunni were paid money to stop fighting the US occupation, and this worked, now they have spent all that American money on arms and are coming back to reconquer parts of Iraq.

Does anyone really believe that we Americans should continue to support the CIA/NSA/Republican/Democrat foreign policy war mongering and playing with terrorists, and now playing with Ukraine's nazi movement. Our leaders are too stupid to rule the world, that have proved that over and over again, yet they keep using our tax money to try and rule the world.

How did the trillion dollars and thousands of soldiers lives in Iraq pay off, how did the Mission Accomplished come out in the end? Does any veteran of the Iraq war now realize what they put their lifes on the line for? How is that sacrifice working out? Did our masters make proper use of soldiers patriotism? Big questions, BUsh and Obama need to be held to account for their crimes. Even as Obama uses his nazi forces to bomb and shell towns in East Ukraine. It never ends. USA attacks on other peoples never ends.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:06 | 4842305 blackbeardz
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" has a problem gaining total control over the CIA."   - is what you should have said.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:18 | 4842338 curbjob
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Yup ... it's like the Sorcerers Apprentice, the US has funded violence around the globe and now they can't turn it off. Complexity wasn't in the manual.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:07 | 4842489 shovelhead
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Anyone ever consider that the President's Daily Breifing is not an information appraisal but his marching orders from the CIA driven Shadow Govt.?

Just a random thought.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 10:06 | 4844316 Thought Processor
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The above is most likely quite accurate.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:36 | 4843338 Aussie V
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Couldn't have worded it better myself Jack.

What I find ironic is Obama met with our POTUS today and commended our Pollies on removing ALL arms from Australians and wished he could impose the same on the US.

The ironic part for me is that the US foreign policy for so long has been murdering innocent people around the world and when crazy or angry citizens start to shoot innocent people inside the US Obama is outraged!

What is that very accurate saying again???? "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword."

I assume that saying works for countries as well as individuals!?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:56 | 4842447 newbie vampire
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"Troops fled Mosul as hundreds of jihadists from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) overran it."

Isn't it somewhat coincidental just when the administraion said it would increase aid to the Syrian rebels ?

Wouldn't surprise anyone to know the ISIS is a beneficiary of the increased aid.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:17 | 4842524 lasvegaspersona
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time for Iraq vs Iran 2

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:07 | 4841955 TeamDepends
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But the Latin children being dropped off at the border for day-care is not a problem.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:16 | 4841991 Panafrican Funk...
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Anything to distract from the actual problem.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:19 | 4842000 WSMassiv
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Distract, divide, conqueor.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:21 | 4842007 SilverIsKing
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The quality of the Mexican national soccer team will decline over time while the American team will improve by the same degree.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:52 | 4842087 economics9698
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We need more basketball players from Haiti.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:09 | 4842116 SilverIsKing
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But we don't need any more golfers from Kenya.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:40 | 4842239 TeamDepends
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Sir, um, Barry has appropriated the Mulligans from the next several generations.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:15 | 4842331 Goldilocks
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The Pretty Reckless - Going To Hell (Official Music Video) (4:24)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:53 | 4842086 Kprime
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why are they bussing them to Arizona??  bus the little fuckers to DC

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:55 | 4842096 WillyGroper
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Yea, maybe put them on Thai shrimpers for 20 hr days so the US/UK can have cheap shrimp thru Aldi & Costco. Make'em earn their keep.

I'd be more concerned with this...

Or this...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:00 | 4841926 medium giraffe
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OK in the middle east though.  Carry on...


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:11 | 4841974 Soul Glow
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And Africa, Eastern Europe, South America....

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:59 | 4841927 NOTaREALmerican
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He's not God?    Now what?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:51 | 4842078 Kprime
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guess we will just have to rely on obama.


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:02 | 4841937 DaveyJones
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Hint: this is what empires do...especially as they start to lose it 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:19 | 4841995 Rainman
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I reckon the goobermint's Common Core for Dummies should finish things off nicely.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:35 | 4842039 Chupacabra-322
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@ DaveyJones,

They also print to infinity.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:29 | 4843323 DaveyJones
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true that is. And it breeds more disrespect than the weapons. Oh wait, it is a weapon.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:54 | 4842095 Canadian Dirtlump
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print money incessantly, increase taxes, curtail rights at home, over stretch the military and go the fuck out in a blaze of glory as things crash and blame an imaginary enemy in a transparent lie that is so naked that they are only lying to themselves.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:59 | 4842105 crazytechnician
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For people who cannot create actual value , it is all they have.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:05 | 4841944 goldhedge
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Fags from MPNET in 1..2..3..


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:07 | 4841946 Dr. Destructo
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So a militaristic foreign policy isn't working, so we need more military to make it work.

I guess I need to be an 'expert' with a degree from an Ivy League school to understand.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:07 | 4841947 NoWayJose
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Please China - conquer the United States so you can take over our current and future unfunded debts, and re-install a free market economy and financial system...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:10 | 4841971 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  and re-install a free market economy and financial system

You mean like they have over there, without a central bank?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:20 | 4841999 NoWayJose
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China is a last bastion of capitalism left on the planet.  Everywhere else is socialism or dictatorships (or a combination of those two)...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:42 | 4842055 crazytechnician
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You forgot   /Sarc off .

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:35 | 4842218 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  China is a last bastion of capitalism left on the planet.

With or without the infinite Chinese fiat?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:06 | 4841949 disabledvet
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Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:06 | 4841950 DannoH
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Hey Marc Faber, two words: "Nuclear Fucking Weapons!"


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:08 | 4841964 Dr. Destructo
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Radiation gives people superpowers I've been told.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:09 | 4841970 Soul Glow
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Hey DannoH, two fucking words:  "Peak oil".

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:40 | 4842052 1stepcloser
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I like "Peak Printing"

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:12 | 4841981 Ghordius
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beside MAD still applying... who would ever bomb it's own investments?

it's only about how much pushing is acceptable

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:46 | 4842066 edotabin
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destroy and rebuild. great way to make sure all the money goes to your buddies.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:15 | 4842142 Winston Churchill
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You are forgetting Neutron bombs.

Kills people,not investments.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:44 | 4842060 crazytechnician
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Hey dumb ass , that is 3 words , plus it means shit if you cannot financially support & maintain anything,. The Printing Press will only work until it doesn't.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:46 | 4842070 DannoH
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Chanelling Dennis Leary. Reference the "Asshole Song". Flame on dude, flame on!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:09 | 4841965 kchrisc
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The DC US military in Asia is the MIC's SNAP card.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:11 | 4841972 astoriajoe
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Love the ringer-t by Mr. Faber.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:11 | 4841975 potato
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Why does anybody still live in the US??

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:25 | 4842019 NOTaREALmerican
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The top 20% are doing better than the top 20% (almost) anywhere else, why leave!

The bottom 60% (the predator food) worship slow-motion eagles and flags, so would never leave (as loyal as frat-boyz).

Not sure about the middle 20%.   Probably stuck. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:12 | 4841982 Gringo Viejo
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While right, what Faber doesn't understand is that the neocons are willing to see all of us and our children nuked to further the ideology of PNAC.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:12 | 4841985 monad
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Fuck you keith. My friends died so you could express your dumb ass shit.

Fuck You 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:19 | 4841997 TheMeatTrapper
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Who was trying to stop Keith from expressing his opinions? 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:21 | 4842008 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:   My friends died


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:37 | 4842045 TheSecondLaw
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Fuck you keith. My friends died so you could express your dumb ass shit.


Well, Monad, perhaps your friends missed General George S. Patton's good advice: "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:18 | 4842533 shovelhead
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Someday this dumb bastard will wake up and realize that his friends died because they were in a place they had no business being and the only threats to free speech in America come from the same government that sent his friends to die.

Then he can properly direct his anger to those responsible.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:35 | 4842889 monad
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I like you. Now watch your kids die, same as me.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:47 | 4843354 TheMeatTrapper
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I noticed you refused to answer his comment or mine. 

The bottom fucking line is that if the military were dying to keep me free Washington, DC would be a battleground. 

But it's not. The United States military does not keep me free. It enables and sustains those that chip away at all our freedoms. 

Nobody forces anyone to join the military, travel around the world and fight undeclared, un Constitutional wars that have nothing to do with American citizens liberty and well being. 


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:17 | 4841992 reTARD
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China also says to the US: "Get the fuck off my lawn!"

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:19 | 4841996 Chupacabra-322
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Interesting as to which states have the most heavily armed Militarized Police. States which have strong Second Amendment support. When push comes to shove & collapse occurs many of these costume wearing Criminal Corp. Pinkertin Thugs will take off their costumes, steal the tax paid for armories & run home, tail tucked in their asses to protect their loved ones.

The ones left defending the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. will have cross hairs on them behind every blade of grass.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:51 | 4843367 TheMeatTrapper
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I have several acquantances who are "police officers". One is on 'medication' for depression and low testoserone. He told me to my face that he didn't need to prep for SHTF because he'd just take what he needed if it happened. 

Another told me that he uses his issue suppressed weapons to shoot deer at night, and that if TSHTF, he'd simply head home and keep his gear for himself. 

A prepper group here was told by the county Sheriff in a private meeting that if TSHTF - he would order his deputies home to defend their own families. 

The above is not opinion or hearsay. I am speaking from firsthand, face to face experience. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:20 | 4842001 Pure Evil
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What the hell is he bitchin about again?

I only have a two-second attention span.

After that its all just buzzes and clicks.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:36 | 4842224 Goldilocks
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Blues Brothers - King Bee (live) (1:46)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:27 | 4842021 AnAnonymous
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That 'american' is a funny man.

Today, that is 'americans' vs 'americans'.

'Americans' draw lines in the sand.

And he guessed well: he is on the other side. So yes, 'americans' moving to Asia is bad news for him because it also means that 'americans' are coming for him altogether.

One 'american' or more if he is unlucky wants him skinned.

Wrong side of the line in those days of 'americans' vs 'americans'.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:47 | 4842074 crazytechnician
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Are you speaking about the Native Americans ?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:28 | 4842025 peterUK
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Who gives a flying fuck what Faber thinks about geopolitics? Why highlight what the Bangkok numnut says?


ZH's anti-Americanism is not just tedious; it's jeuvenile. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:41 | 4842054 AnAnonymous
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The 'american' Faber is scared because 'americans' are coming for him.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:47 | 4842071 Charles Nelson ...
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.gov maybe coming after him, but I highly doubt Joe six pack has anything in common w/ Faber... Other then the occasional neck' w/ a ponytail.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:02 | 4842108 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  ZH's anti-Americanism

Not just anti-Merican tho.  More like, anti authoritarian (unless you happen to be a Red or Blue Team true-believing dumbass then you are only anti-The-Other-Team, but there's enough on both sides to keep the most dumb of the dumbest dumbasses happy.)

is not just tedious

What else is there?

it's jeuvenile.

I'd go with OCD. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:37 | 4842043 JR
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What would Americans expect for their country’s position in the world if they turn over its financial management to internationalists, bent on satisfying their own dream of world government and riches for themselves?

What would Americans expect if their free enterprise economy was swamped by the principles of socialism and its leading industries merged with fascists and socialists in power?

What would Americans think if their leaders consistently make war against small sovereign countries around the world to satisfy its crazed neocons serving, not America, but Israel?

What would Americans expect when they watch their political system become so corrupted that it elects an unqualified socialist who would rather see America punished for his petty prejudices than contribute to its growth and progress?

What would America expect when the culture and economic miracle its founders created, in broad daylight, are sold, stolen and destroyed by a private banking cartel with absolutely no allegiance to American values, culture or economic well being?

What would Americans expect when the rise of China and the loss of loyalty from America’s so-called allies is directly related to the connections and sellouts made over the last 20 years by the Federal Reserve System. Where did China get its patents, its seed money,its manufacturing base, its intellectual base and its opportunites for raping America industry? From the bankers.

And, finally, how can debt beat solvency?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:40 | 4842053 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' clinging to fantasy.

There is nothing in action that matters in the world but 'americanism'. Everything else is petty 'american' attempts to side track and avoid facing the fact that the world has been conquered by 'americanism' and is now governed by it.

For sure, the primary question for 'americans', is to find those indians to take from, since it is the way 'americans' have grown richer, by taking from others.

And for sure, each 'american' desires one thing: that someone other than themselves take the seat of the Indian.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:53 | 4842092 JR
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Again, with the Indians?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:56 | 4842098 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Again, with the Indians?

Personally, I'd have gone with "Predator food",  but it works either way.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:07 | 4842109 Pure Evil
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There are no Indians in America just Hindi.

What we have are displaced undocumented asian descendents.

Obviously this group of undocumented illegal aliens to this continent had neither the IQ nor the procreativity to fend of the Blue Eyed White Devils from Europe.

Sucks to be you doesn't it.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:21 | 4842348 FeralSerf
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No, they're ALL -- every fucking one of them -- displaced African immigrants. Who cares about a bunch of phony fucking documents? It's all just paper.

We were all WOPs at one time.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:08 | 4843270 Dublinmick
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Pissing in your own drinking water, emptying sewage, heavy metal, radiation industrial waste etc etc into it is pretty creative alright. Those who call this progress are not exactly one of the globe's finest minds. The west calls this proceativity! LOL give me a break. Such childish views are all too frequen in the west. Clowns like you are not worthy of stitching up Tecumseh's moccasins.

You sound like you may have worked at Hanford.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:59 | 4842102 Pure Evil
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How is it possible that a bot that can pass the Turing test still be such a gay douche bag?

I would have to say that AnAnonymous' influence on the ZH boards is the equivalence of stink on shit.

Either way you want to flush one down the toilet and hope the other disperses quicker than you can expel explosive diarrhea.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:20 | 4842160 Winston Churchill
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I would hope the PLA could do better.

I find him amusing,similar to a pet rock myself.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:22 | 4842354 FeralSerf
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Stink has a lot of influence on shit, probably more than any other property.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:27 | 4842571 shovelhead
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Triggers my auto skip program along with a few others.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:26 | 4842368 FeralSerf
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" . . . 'americans' have grown richer, by taking from others . . ."

How would you propose one get rich if one can only work at a fast-food joint or steal from Asians? There's a reason America has such a giant military. It ain't all rocket science.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:51 | 4842080 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  What would Americans

Most Americans only care that they've got enough sports, near-food, porn, and more bling than the neighbor.  

The top 10% (who run the various scams for the top 1%) are doing REALLY well under the current system.

Survival-of-the-fittest, bitchez...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:14 | 4842134 JR
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“Let your enemy come to you (an old Chinese motto).” The Chinese played it correctly; they just sat back until Kissinger arrived, who brought America's resources and power to the Chinese for the short-term benefit of the globalists.

And Americans are finding it hard to say anything because they've lost their representative government.

The Chinese have always played their enemies for fools. And they are playing America’s rulers and the West for fools.

China is using the economic transfer of America’s wealth and innovation to her shores to realize her plans as a world superpower. In the same way, Maoist China preserved its Soviet alliance for many years, using Russian economic aid and military protection to build an ultra-secret military-industrial development while transforming itself into an economic power house.

The globalists who rule America’s economy, interconnected to the Fed but to no country save perhaps Israel, have de-industrialized America; it began in the 80s with the hostile takeover of American corporations. The globalists not only offshored America’s manufacturing base solely for labor arbitrage to realize huge gains for themselves, but they gave away America’s  technology, patents, research, high-paying jobs and her future for a pot of porridge; in short, they destroyed America’s justification for market capitalism.

The result is an industrialized Red China rapidly surpassing U.S. hegemony - a threat to world freedom as Americans have known it, as well as American free enterpise.

America will not “recover” unless the people oust this Congress and the Fed. America's employment opportunities already are too far undermined; her rise in her consumer income already has stopped. America has no future in her present condition if the Fed oligarchs remain in power.

As China gets all the offshored production, “so American GDP becomes Chinese GDP, and American jobs become Chinese jobs, and American consumer income becomes Chinese consumer income,” says economist Paul Craig Roberts. “What's happening is the balance of power in the world is shifting completely away from the West.  It's washed up.

“Globalism is a wrecking force of amazing power to wreck.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:26 | 4842185 NOTaREALmerican
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Yeah, but you've got to admit.  The top 10% did pretty well in the bargain.

When the smart-n-savvy people running a country don't feel any identification with the peasants they rule, it's pretty easy for them to decide to sell the peasants to the Chinese (or anybody else for that matter). 

60+ years ago when Godless Commies ran around in Mao suits and crappy cars the smart-n-savvy people needed our trash-class to protect them and keep them living the good life,  but now NOW you can be a Godless Commie and have a nice suit and nice car (hell, you can live like the top 10% do everywhere).  

So, why wouldn't the smart-n-savvy sell the peasants to the Chinese.   It was a good deal for them.  The smart-n-savvy people know the slow-motion eagles and flags are just to baffle the dumbasses. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:47 | 4842259 JR
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I agree with all your points, except instead of Top 10% I would call it the Top 0.01%, unless, of course, you're talking public employees, such as university professors or two married teachers pulling in more than $200,000 a year with full benefits till death. Based on the Internal Revenue Service’s 2010 database, here’s how much the top Americans made: Top 1%: $380,354, Top 5%: $159,619, Top 10%: $113,799, Top 25%: $67,280, Top 50%: >$33,048.

That Top 10%, who mostly live in areas where expenses are high, really doesn’t mean too much where “In New York county/Manhattan, mortgage payments represent 77% of the median income and in San Francisco County represents 70%.”

My point, the oligarchs are sacrificing the upper-middle class in addition to the other classes. The future of American middle-class families was sold to China.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:56 | 4842277 NOTaREALmerican
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Sure, the top 1% have the power.  The corporations and government are owned by the top 1%, but are managed by the top 10%.   It takes allot of management skills to keep all this loot moving to top.   

(You can't really use IRS data, btw.   It doesn't include magic/invisible un-earned income.)


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:37 | 4842046 AnAnonymous
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That 'american' guy wants to confuse globalization and depletion of resources.

With globalization, and GDP as a measure of consumption, what matters the most is to who the consumption is dedicated.

This is an 'american' world and consumption is to be done by 'americans'.

This 'american' would like to frame the situation seeing a decline in 'american' countries due to a loss in power.

Nothing like that. China consumes what 'americans' allow them to consume, all to ensure that 'americans' sit on the top of the consumption ladder.

Why has China been unable to pick up as 'americans' sold the idea they would? Because they are unable to consume for themselves. China, in this 'american' world order, only exists to facilitate 'americans' in a greater level of consumption. That is their part. They are puppets whose existence must be dedicated to the greater 'american' good.

That is when this 'american' fails to conceal reality. There is no loss, only an expansive move to help support a greater level of consumption.

Why the decline in 'american' areas? Because of the world being set on the path of depletion of resources by 'americans'.

The 'american' way of life is simply not sustainable. Actually, contrary to what this 'american' tries to propagate, 'americans' have won the competition, it is over now. There is no longer any competiting alternative. 'Americans' are hegemons and they are alone.

They are losing nothing to their underlings, there is simply not enough resources to sustain an 'american' middle class.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:40 | 4842051 Argos
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Where did they find a string that long for the two tin cans?  Really, that's the best sound quality you could come up with?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:48 | 4842063 RaceToTheBottom
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Hey Marc, don't you know that the US does not want to be the worlds policeman?  We have to because no one else will:

No one else will drone weddings.

No one else will have 10 year wars based on the wet dream of a drug addled President.

No one else will steal money from her citizens and give it to WS Banksters



Oh and they hate us because of our freedoms

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:47 | 4842072 bigkansas
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Look at chinese "art." They lack the ability or willingness to think creativly. It's why all of their intelecual property is stolen from white people.

Controlled by comunists or controlled by me. I'll take me, Amercans RULE!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:54 | 4842094 NOTaREALmerican
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Yeah, that freedom stuff can get out of hand. We need the strong guiding hand of [The Red Team | The Blue Team ] (choose one) in order to ensure [morality | justice] (choose one) is [ preserved | enhanced ] (choose one).

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:26 | 4842184 bigkansas
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Ya! the red team blue team kanard! Is your team an abject falure? Well just make the broad claim that your utter falure is just the same as the successfull and you can't make distinctians and whatever... SHUT UP!

I asume this is one of Saul Alinsky's Rules for radicals. Comunisum is just the same as "capitalism" because SHUT UP!

Your Another Democrat Alinskite Troll

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:25 | 4842366 Volkodav
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More correctly would be stolen from German people

certain "white people" never created much

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:53 | 4842088 falak pema
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In brief what super speculator of bangkok is saying is :

The west is now a has been land and east is where the sun rises and sets. I hope they can hear him in sparkling Fukushima! 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:10 | 4842122 Pure Evil
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Well, he's got a new set of masters in China where he has all his money tied up.

Go Chinese Red Team.

Down with American Blue Team.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:53 | 4842093 ThisIsBob
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Far as I can recall, Faber hasn't been right yet.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:28 | 4842192 Chuck Knoblauch
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Keep playing with yourself, Bob.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:12 | 4842127 Richard Whitney
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I am a fan of Marc Faber, but he is off base here. China has been an aggressive antagonist to practically all of its neighbors. It makes no sense for China, but it is so. And those neighbors turn to the United States as an antidote to that aggression. China is a belligerent to Mongolia, Korea, Japan, Philippines, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Tibet, and others. They even claim a northeastern province of India. 

The citizens of those countries are wary of the Chinese, China as a political entity and Chinese as tourists. The United Stares has interests in SE Asia and the countries there feel allied with the U.S.

Faber would be more on the mark if he excoriateed Chinese foreign relations.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:18 | 4842153 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Faber would be more on the mark if he excoriateed Chinese foreign relations.

He's in China,  not the land of the free and home of the braves. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:23 | 4842829 shovelhead
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Any time those countries want a gun for hire they can give a call and have cash on hand.

Why should the US taxpayer provide a free security service?

Oh and don't tell me about allies...

I don't see any Vietnamese or Tibetans on nightwatch in my neighborhood.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:25 | 4842173 Chuck Knoblauch
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WTF is with the Mao bust of the Commie murderer in the background?

When in Rome, suck Mao's little yellow dick, Marc?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:29 | 4842194 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Mao bust of the Commie

Come on, the cold-war is over.   The Commies won.   We all love Big-Gov now (well, we might not love it but lots of us are living off it).

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:26 | 4842180 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Dont worry marc, they are not coming for your opium.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:40 | 4842241 Goldilocks
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or your under age women...

Blues Brothers - Sell me your children (0:20)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:46 | 4842236 earleflorida
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The author Scott L. Malcomson of "Generation's End" *(A personal Memoir of America Power After 9/11) c.2010 has a quote here that I'd like to share since 9/11--- Note: pay close attention? 

"Gen. Wesley Clark was on (CNN), appearing uncomfortable, with his soldier-in-the-spotlight look. I met him not long before, at Richard Holbrooke's apartment during a party. I was struck at the time by his good humor, by his nervousness, and by what he said about America's future of waging optional wars-- what would come to be called wars of choice-- because there would be no real necessity for fighting, only possibilities for fighting, and America, as the indefintely hegemonic power, would be free to select among them."        

end Quote... WOW!!!    Ref: Chapter I pg7  "One Day" ....' 


Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:41 | 4842245 DoctorOfLove
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The USA's coastline and island outposts in the pacific are far larger than China's.  So whose lake is it?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:43 | 4842248 Joe Tierney
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Since 911 the U.S. and EU have been scratching at the inside of the toilet bowl trying to keep from getting flushed down the proverbial shitter.


They've put on a great act (military invasions, bombings, threatening bluster, and money printing and all) to make people think just the opposite, but the facade is really slipping now. Almost no one is fooled any longer by the lone-superpower scam.


Since we're clearly past the tipping point I think all we'll see now is acceleration of America and Europe's collapse - but of course they'll not go down easy - expect financial warfare and more military warfare until their domestic societies slide deep into the shitter and they have to refocus just to keep from seeing total internal disintegration. What do you think is the reason the police are stockpiling all those weapons and ammo, if not for the impending, inevitable civil collapse?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:05 | 4842302 SmittyinLA
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I guess Faber ignored China's $600B a year trade deficit surplus with America, they get $600 B reasons a year to be our bitch. 

that's about $50 mo to every man woman and Child in China

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:22 | 4842353 Peter Pan
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The Chinese strip you of your factories and take your money as well and you have the temerity to call them your bitch? Big call my friend.

This imbalance is not good but you also need to consider what would happen if cheap Chinese goods suddenly did not hit American shelves. Total retail implosion and soaring inflation.

And before you get excited at the prospect of American manufacturing being reborn, you need to remember that recent reversals in US manufacturing have been characterized by very low labour demand due to robotics etc.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:45 | 4842934 shovelhead
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Oh, please,

China stripped nothing and took nothing.

American and multinational corps either built or provided the contracts to factories that allowed the Chinese econmy to expand and gave the money so they could become mere resellers to turn a buck. Had it not been China it would have been somewhere else. China was just the cheapest whore on the block at the time with the most pliable politicians.

What exactly does China sell that can't be bought or made somewhere else?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:12 | 4842320 Silver Exterior
Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:29 | 4842374 QQQBall
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The red glass frames are badass in a gay way

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:52 | 4842680 nah
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Russia wins cold war!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:34 | 4842877 WMM II
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"Marc Faber Blasts "American Military Presence In Asia Is Completely Unacceptable"

utter and complete nonsense.

for example, some country might actually ask us to station troops within their borders as a show of "no one crosses this line" border.

say vietnam. to china. "no one crosses this line".

ty, u.s. of a.


there are other examples.



Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:38 | 4842900 WMM II
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"FABER: "I am not God, I am not here to judge who is right and who is wrong, but if I were China, if you look at geopolitics in Asia from a Chinese perspective, its completely unacceptable in the long run to have American military presence in Asia".


agreed, you're not god, but after that, we digress.

as a justification for having a military presence in a friendly country, is so that an unfriendly country understands the level of our commitment to that nation within which we stationed our troops. just in case we didn't want to go to war at sea over a couple of islands.



Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:56 | 4842989 telefunken
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"OUt US army,more thai ladboys for The Faber!

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 00:38 | 4843444 cape_royds
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I don't like a USA military presence in East Asia, and I understand why the Chinese wouldn't like it.

But if Japan, Korea, and Taiwan choose to maintain alliances with the USA, then the USA military presence is legitimate.

I do wonder why Japan, Korea, and Taiwan maintain those alliances. All of those countries are technically capable of developing their own nuclear deterrent forces.

Why would they want to remain dependent on the USA for defense, when they could do it themselves at no great cost, and then tell both the Americans and the Chinese to fuck off.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 01:55 | 4843530 Jano
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A military presence in any foreign country is called agression and  occupation, despite the background.

US military history casts US to be most morderous cruel sadistic nation ever.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 03:44 | 4843630 boeing747
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I can't wait "japan tests first 'defensive A-bomb' near okinawa".

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