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Parent Of School Shooting Victim Explains Iranian Justice

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Yet again, headlines are scrolling fast with details of another school shooting; this time at Reynolds High School in Oregon. It is unclear how many students were shot or injured but police report the shooter is dead. However, in a clear indication of the growing anger among the American people at the frequency (and responses) to these shooting sprees, one father of a student trapped in the school explained that his wife was "in culture shock;" being from Iran, he said, "if this happened there, all the families would show up with guns and take care of it."

 

Forward to 1:30... (live feed via KOIN6)

 

It seems the people are angry...

 

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Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:37 | 4840950 Quinvarius
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The need for families to own guns in order to take care of it is obvious.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:40 | 4840963 Manthong
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Except if you are a Chicago Police Chief or politician.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:52 | 4841006 Pladizow
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Are there schools in Iran?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:56 | 4841026 what's that smell
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please change your avatar to read "Turd Stinks Up The Place"

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:58 | 4841038 Pladizow
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My bad, forgot about bomb making and wife beating 101.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:23 | 4841131 quintago
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Troll or not, you are an idiot.

And so is the interviewee for having an Iranian wife and pronouncing Iran, I-RON.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:28 | 4841148 Pladizow
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Hook, line and sinker!

Only a gearter idiot argues with an idiot!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:35 | 4841183 James_Cole
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Iran has generally good education standards, and people showing up with guns (not allowed for avg citizens in Iran) wouldn't really fly. 

But yes, great to see Americans clamouring for mob justice. One step closer to bff saudi arabia!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:45 | 4841231 Herd Redirectio...
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Maybe they own a lot of crossbows in Iran.  Or throwing knives.  Who knows.  But thats a big part of the reason the gun debate is so silly. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:56 | 4841283 franciscopendergrass
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Apparently, stones are still legal in Iran.  If stoning was popular in America, all the stones would have to be registered.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/world/meast/iran-stoning/ 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:06 | 4841295 macholatte
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The sheeple militia is neither well regulated nor well trained but certainly brainwashed into fearing the criminal justice system more than an assailant in the event self-defense was needed.

Having that pistol in the dresser drawer doesn't mean you're safe. So get some training before you end up like poor ‘ol Joseph Wilcox. You never know when you'll need it.

IPSC

https://www.ipsc.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkuMd0TvJA

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/10/man-who-went-after-gunman-wa...

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period.

- Ted Nugent

Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.
- Dianne Feinstein

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
- Joseph Stalin

On the one hand, the guns were there to help capture the imagination of the people. But more important, since we knew that you couldn't observe the police without guns, we took our guns with us to let the police know that we have an equalizer.
- Bobby Seale

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:12 | 4841352 IndyPat
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What was Wilcox supposed to do? Shelter in place and suck his fucking thumb?
I get ur point on training, but even an IPSC champ could end up dead.
Two vs one...they got the drop on him.

The tone of that article is horseshit, too.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:23 | 4841412 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Reynolds High School, Home of the Raiders and my alma mater. I may be from Oregon, but I live in Texas now and they know about guns reducing violence here. Commies in the Portland area are clueless.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:34 | 4841464 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Dear NSA, you probably know who I am know don't you!!! Bitchez!!!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:56 | 4841772 TeamDepends
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Is "Robbie Parker" playing the grieving father, because that guy is good.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:49 | 4842261 DoChenRollingBearing
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"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!"

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:26 | 4841423 0b1knob
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During the Columbine shootings there were three (THREE!) SWAT teams outside the school for over an hour while students were being killed inside.

For an hour the three SWAT teams argued about who had jurisdiction and  how if one team went inside it would make the other two look bad.   Because its all about public relations.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:50 | 4841549 DaveyJones
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and the shooters were on interesting meds

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:21 | 4841642 Pure Evil
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The shooters were on extremely high doses of Prozac.

Ssince they had been taking the Prozac for so long they had developed an extremely high tolerance to the drug.

Eventually no matter how much you take it has no affect on you since the brain can only produce so much dopamine and serotonin.

After that its all hallucinations and schizophrenia because you're brain aint getting the necessary amount of naturally produced serotonin and dopamine.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:31 | 4842031 sleigher
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In the year 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild-owned Central Bank.

They were:

Afghanistan

Iraq

Sudan

Libya

Cuba

North Korea

Iran

 

What were those countires we were supposed to take over 7 of them in 5 years or something? 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5AzFx76Kbc

 

hmmmmm.....

 

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:18 | 4843291 franciscopendergrass
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I wonder if they channel stuff

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:18 | 4843292 franciscopendergrass
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I wonder if they channel stuff

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:14 | 4841361 McMolotov
Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:38 | 4841482 RafterManFMJ
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LOL!!

Yes because "Amurikan Justice" is sooooo real and effective! FREE JON CORZINE!!

LOL!!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:22 | 4841656 Pure Evil
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Well, if Holder wouldn't prosecute the Black Panthers then why should he prosecute Corzine?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:57 | 4841919 Monty Burns
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"great to see Americans clamouring for mob justice"

 

Mob justice comes into play only when orthodox justice fails, as it has in America and almost all Western countries in recent decades.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:01 | 4841051 xtop23
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When seconds count, the police are minutes away. A well armed society is a polite society.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:21 | 4841124 giorgioorwell
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The US is far and away #1 in private gun ownership compared to anywhere else in the world, so if we aren't a "polite society" I'm not sure where that cliche comes from?  

Is there some example of this that you have or are you a parrot?

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:30 | 4841157 SF beatnik
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Concealed carry permits are generally unobtainable in most states. So you can own a gun, but you have to leave it at home. God help you if you use it at home to defend your own property in California.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:00 | 4841297 giorgioorwell
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Nonsense comment about California, there have been several cases just this past few months of homewoners in California shooting home invaders/robbers with legal/registered guns and the homeowners aren't charged. Show me some examples of this?  

None of these homeowners were charged

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/at-least-one-hurt-in-san-mateo-ho...

http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_25105867/calif-man-kills-suspec...

http://www.tribtown.com/view/story/592daf657b73419db654f6369cfa9a73/US--...

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 21:35 | 4842884 SF beatnik
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Second link seems iffy, story unresolved.

Of the other two links, doors kicked in by armed intruders. You're  probably on pretty solid ground with regard to self defense  in these situations - defense of life and limb.

But suppose you awaken to discover someone stealing things from your basement or garage and you shoot him. Big problem. Even if you ultimately prevail. 

 

Were I on the jury, I would save your sorry ass. But MANY of my fellow Californians feel sorry for the perps, who grew up lacking white boy's advantages.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 04:41 | 4843655 xtop23
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Put a kitchen knife in the intruder's hands. Problem solved.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:28 | 4841431 Buckaroo Banzai
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Actually, concealed carry permits are very obtainable in most states-- it's actually one of the more positive developments over the last 10 years. Even in a hardcore liberal hellhole like California, there are many counties where you can get a concealed carry permit.

Even better-- depending on where you get your permit, it may even be honored in a surprising number of other states.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

A better point to make is-- why the fuck do we need a permit to exercise an inalienable right?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:45 | 4841518 IndyPat
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Good point, but I think the last question comes down to historical perceptions of concealed weapons. In the good old days when everyone went armed...everywhere...whether sword, pistol or rifle, they were displayed openly.
Bad guys concealed. It showed ill intent.

Now that everything's ass backwards, well...you get what we have now.

The reason for waving and shaking hands was to show you didn't have weapon in your hand. It was fine to leave it on your hip.

"Before all else, be armed."

-Niccolo Machiavelli

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 04:46 | 4842144 xtop23
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In California it is still pretty difficult to obtain ccw licensure. It wasnt until our current sheriff was challenged by an opponent who is pro-ccw and saw his hopes for re-election dwindling that he began to issue them.

The recent court decision didnt hurt either.

@giorgioorwell - it is decidedly difficult to find untainted statistical evidence to support my conclusion ( or yours ) All that need be done is gerrymander what and how it is tabulated and you can create whatever result you desire.

Perhaps the swiss are a good example? Extremely high gun ownership per capita and relatively low crime. I suppose that would constitute a polite society?

Yes, I realize the US has extremely high private gun ownership. If all crime happened in the home that would be an applicable fact. 

Many, if not most, private gun owners don't carry when they're out and about.

Since the largest portion of violent crime does not occur in one's private residence., your fact really is irrelevant. 

As far as parrot goes ... /shrug.

Thanks?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:35 | 4841467 Axenolith
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That's bullshit, 44 states have "shall issue" (3 of those are "may issue" that are essentiually shall isse states) CCW laws on the books.  Most of those states also have open carry.

California, while one of the most idiotic for overall gun laws, does have Castle Doctrine in effect.  The act of an intruder forcing their way into your home is of itself considered a "fear for life and health" event.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:34 | 4841181 object_orient
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Heinlein said it. It's probably true in a science fiction universe. There are apparently other conditions required on this earth for the expression to be true.

I'm guessing it's mostly the government's creation of huge, lucrative black markets and the militarized police response to those same markets.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:01 | 4841307 giorgioorwell
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That's not my question...I'm asking for proof that high gun ownership equals less crime and a"polite" society..clearly we are proof against that.  

Keep reading breitbart.com genius

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:27 | 4841421 Pure Evil
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Being polite means you staying the fuck out of my business and I stay the fuck out of your business.

John Bernard Books: I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.

(From the movie The Shootist)

So, if you know you're neighbor owns guns and conceal carries are you going to start a war with your neighbor over a minor dispute? A dispute where you think you have been mightly wronged?

Well, you may not, but they're definitely a shitload of other people would have no problem visiting violence on their neighbor because they think they've been wronged or they've been disrespected.

Ever been to the ghetto? Ever seen a road rage incident?

The natural law of the jungle states that you have the right to defend yourself from a predator that may try to hurt or kill you.

If you don't want to come over and be respectful and be polite, then stay the fuck away from me.

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:33 | 4841460 Shizzmoney
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RE

Being polite means you staying the fuck out of my business and I stay the fuck out of your business.

Bingo.

It's no coincidence that as NSA and government spying increases, that so does these shootings.

People are stressed the fuck out, man.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:38 | 4842626 Flagit
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If people weren't soo strapped for cash, working 40+ hours a week to survive, we wouldn't be soo inclined to snap over traffic mishaps. We are unable to identify or confront these entities on a daily basis, so the smallest of confrontations serves as the catalyst for venting rage.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:48 | 4841753 Miffed Microbio...
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Where we live it is very common to see open carry. We do ourselves when we walk our dogs in the morning. People drive by and wave without a second thought. My neighbor is the official rattlesnake dispatcher and runs across the street with her .357 if I call ( I prefer a shovel but she loves to do it). I would say we all are very polite to one another and to all that visit. Yes, anecdotal. I am unsure if absolute proof can be made here. The only neighbor that didn't have a gun or dogs was robbed. He wised up fast.

I guess it's a country vs city thing. City people think a security sign warning intruders they have purchased an alarm system with monitoring will keep them safe. Country people realize they personally are responsible for their own security. Just a philosophical difference. But, city dwellers are at a disadvantage if society quits being polite.

Come to think of it, I have never met an rude pushy asshole at a gun show. Maybe I should apply for a government multimillion dollar grant to study this.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 19:01 | 4842282 The_Dude
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I actually wonder if one of the reasons guns are more frowned upon by the big city libs is that they recognize one thing about human nature and the society they themselves help create.  In big cities, you have cultural/racial diversity that was promulgated by the libs.  They reluctantly acknowledge that this creates an environment where if people had the ways and means to, someone from one group/tribe would likely try to do in someone from another.  Honest Libs might even admit that they being the wealthy, white class might be a primary target of others, especially in a more lawless situation.  So effectively they have evolved this attitude as a self preservation policy.  By minimizing guns and kissing the collective ass of others, they hope not to be viewed as a target/threat and be ventilated by some MS-13 gang member.  Stop...don't shoot....because we love you!

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 20:40 | 4842636 Flagit
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Dirty Harriet?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:11 | 4841619 TrumpXVI
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If you want proof, or at least a reasoned arguement backed up with actual data, check out John Lott's book, "More Guns, Less Crime".  Lott's a pretty dry, unemotional "bean counter" and his analysis of the data seems pretty solid.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:21 | 4841650 AlaricBalth
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The 31 states that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

And according to  Seattle's Marchex Institute, Texas is one the the most polite states in the country, with Massachusetts and Ohio leading the way as least courteous.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:28 | 4841668 TrumpXVI
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According to "concealedcarry.com", there are currently 42 "Shall Issue" states and eight "May Issue" states.  And then there are territories and possessions; Guam, Puerto Rico, District of Columbia and others, etc... they vary, but for the most part, are "Right to Carry Denied".

 

Okay...but even within "Shall Issue" states, there are variations on how the law is executed.  Here in PA, my CCW was easier to acquire in my county than what my friend had to go through in his county that neighbors mine.....a couple of extra hoops.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:40 | 4841204 Lord Koos
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Right.  Like the USA is so much more polite than Sweden, Canada, Thailand, Singapore, Norway, etc etc.  Don't think so.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:42 | 4841218 Harbanger
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Outside the big cities inhabited by "outraged" Libs.  Everyone is very polite.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:14 | 4841626 TrumpXVI
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There's truth to that.  The angriest people I know are all liberals.....what's up with that?  I think it's because they want to control the world......and so far, can't.  And after the Liberals, the angriest people I know are extreme Conservatives....they seem to have the same ambitions...and the same problems.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 03:04 | 4843602 Bro of the Sorr...
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you ignore the fact that demographically those places are all the opposite of diverse. overwhelmingly, same skin, religion, mindset, education and welath, or at least much less stratified than the US. why? very low immigration! to immigrate to canada or singapore you need millions of dollars, the thai don't let anyone in, and scandanavians are super racist but luckily there are no muslims or blacks there for them to have conflict with.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:30 | 4841165 Harbanger
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I don't know what this chick is thinking, but there is no right to own arms in Iran.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:02 | 4841310 Overfed
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There is no right to own them here, either.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:06 | 4841320 Harbanger
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There is a right in our founding documents, but between Democrats,  statist Repubs and liberal Judges legislating their own laws from the bench, what difference does it make.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:09 | 4841334 Overfed
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I suppose one has the right to go to a government approved gun shop, and after filling out a registration form, and gaining government approval, one can take home a government approved gun.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:13 | 4841350 Harbanger
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Not everywhere yet, mostly liberal controlled areas.  But it's going to be everywhere soon enough.  It's called progress by the statists.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:17 | 4841371 Overfed
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Name one place where someone can legally sell guns as a business without an ATF license. In that vein, name one place where one can buy a gun from a dealer without filling out a 4473. Sure, some private sales are still allowed, but the control freaks are working hard to rectify that. There is an initiative coming this fall in my neck of FEMA region X that is sure to screw us.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:28 | 4841437 Harbanger
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I'll let you read the laws state by state.  Some states donot require a permit to purchase, registrarion or license.  But this is reason for outrage and new Federal laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:41 | 4841500 Overfed
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Sorry, but every single gun dealer in this country has to have a FFL and record every single sale in a bound book, all the while making every single buyer fill out a 4473 and submit to NICS (fuck you very much, NRA). Whoever thinks we live in a free country is delusional.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:47 | 4841530 Harbanger
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Don't blame the NRA for restrictive gun legislation.  Blame the statists or the people who elected them.  But then again voting no longer matters as the new demographic changes will ensure 3rd world dictators until doomsday.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:52 | 4841559 Overfed
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The NRA was a huge proponent of NICS, and lobbied congress heavily to pass it. NRA also told Reagan to go ahead and sign off on FOPA, despite the poison-pill Hughes amendment (may William Hughes and Charlie Rangel die in a fire), with the assurance that they would come back later and lobby for the repeal of said amendment, which as we all know, never happened.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:57 | 4841577 Harbanger
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You see, when I challenge statism certain people kneejerk to Reagan.  As if he were the benchmark.  Reagan was an outsider, hated by the MSM and establishment.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:16 | 4841628 Overfed
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Actually, I was hammering the NRA, not Reagan. Reagan did what he was told once he realized that the Secret Service wouldn't protect him from the CIA. However, when Reagan saw the Hughes amendment to FOPA, he offered to send the bill back to Congress, but NRA said it was fine.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:21 | 4841644 TrumpXVI
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This is true.  In PA there is no permit, just proof of residence; a driver's license is good.  There is (technically) no registration, but people argue that one because certain sales (handgun) go through to the PA State Police and although the State Police will respond to any inquiry about the matter with a firm denial that they maintain a database.....who really knows (except them, of course).  And there are no licensing requirements either.  I have purchased many firearms by just walking into the gun shop, showing my driver's license, filling out the Federal form and paying my money.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:25 | 4841661 Overfed
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That's exactly my point. You have to show ID, get government approval, and have the sale recorded for the feds. Then you can take home your new government-approved gun. Any time you have to beg for permission and jump through hoops, you aren't excercising a right. You are being bestowed a privilege.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:24 | 4841846 All_Your_Base
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Holder gives out firearms, no paperwork, no tracking, but you need to pick them up in Mexico.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:11 | 4841349 goldhedge
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Most ppl have two.  Isn't that enough?

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:14 | 4841364 IndyPat
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No.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:17 | 4841377 Harbanger
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Most people have none.  I don't want anyone judging what enough is unless they're handing them out for free.  

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:11 | 4841978 Rakshas
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.......... Australia introduced more restrictive gun ownership laws some years back....... here is how some innovative Aussies have learned to live without the use of firearms for such things as rabbit hunting......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wynx1ukwdVA

......... I may be a comparative pussy but I'll be a well armed comparative pussy ;-)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:31 | 4841444 TheRedScourge
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In most of the world, disobeying the law is the rule, not the exception. The effect of tyranny is one cannot help but be breaking at least some laws, so after a while one tires of trying not to.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:37 | 4841867 xtop23
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Thats the whole point. 

Create an environment where its impossible not to break some type of law, either via complexity or by being crafted purposefully vague, and you always have justification .....

... for whatever.

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:12 | 4841984 Oldwood
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Making us all law breakers helps to maintain control. We know, regardless of our actions that we are potentially breaking some law somewhere. Much like dealing with the IRS, you pray to not have the opportunity to prove your innocence. Innocent until proven guilty is useless, as the process of proving innocence can destroy your life. Intimidation and dependency work hand in hand. When my time comes I'm sure I will be one guilty son of a bitch.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:04 | 4841602 Miner
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Yes, there are.  It would be a first world country today if the United States hadn't overthrown their government and installed a violent brutal dictator in the 1950s.

It needs to be very clear that 90% of the problems in the middle east are due to CIA cock-ups during the cold war.  That is a truly inconvenient truth.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:42 | 4840978 mr.n3utr0n
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You mean show up afterwards and start hunting?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:52 | 4841011 john39
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whoops... that bit about practical Iranian justice wasn't supposed to be part of the script...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:13 | 4841093 taketheredpill
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Couple hundred people walking around inside a school shooting at anything that moves.  Doesn't fit my definition of practical.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:16 | 4841111 ParkAveFlasher
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Yes, that's because you are imagining that scenario.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:53 | 4841015 ParkAveFlasher
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MAD is proven practical, is the lesson here. It's the average citizen vs. Pharma-Dopes.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:57 | 4841034 john39
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Iran has a shortage of big pharma dopes...  no doubt that is one the agenda once they can engineer a color revolution to overthrow the government and establish some "freedom".

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:59 | 4841042 ParkAveFlasher
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Imagine your average ghetto kid pharma-enhanced on prozac.  Oh, he needs insurance first.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:42 | 4840981 DblAjent
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"But civilian justice would be reckless and dangerous!" >sarc

Fact is, waiting for the small town Keystone Constables to get their shit together and coordinate with all the other hero agencies who respond, actually costs lives.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:00 | 4841043 Stoploss
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So many hero's.

So long to respond.

They real question is, are they hiding the families of the shooters?

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:58 | 4841293 object_orient
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Gotta wait for the shooting to stop before they go in. Officer safety is paramount. Oh, the kids? Meh.

Load up on that overtime fellas!

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:43 | 4840982 Urban Redneck
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But then who would be left to teach the children?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:49 | 4841000 Jayda1850
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"I was told to grab scissors and shelter in place under my desk"- Sheep

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:51 | 4841004 Winston Churchill
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Blunt scissors only. For the children

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:54 | 4841020 ParkAveFlasher
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And because you have scissors, you should not run.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:57 | 4841029 Jayda1850
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For God Sake's someone could lose an eye..... as 10 people are mowed down.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:04 | 4841059 ParkAveFlasher
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Yes, but the local school boards are not as well-insured against litigation as the pharma manufacturers, so there. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:57 | 4841033 Badabing
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I was told to shelter under my desk too but that was for an atomic bomb.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:32 | 4841170 SF beatnik
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Going long on desk makers.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:38 | 4841483 LuciusGermanicus
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Thank god for wood shop.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:19 | 4841998 SAT 800
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I refused to do it; and while still sitting straight up in my chair told the teacher; "Alameda Naval Air Base is two miles from here, you can see it out the window; what difference does it make how many desks I hide under when a warhead lands there?". Diagnosed with an "attitude problem".

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:17 | 4841113 firstdivision
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I love how the only answer to a shooting is either more guns or less guns.  No one stops to contemplate why the person decided shooting was the answer to what ales them.  So in the future I expect incidents like this to occur with more frequency.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:42 | 4841214 SF beatnik
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firstdivision:

Excellent observation.  

Trouble is the USA is psychically profoundly fucked. Not easy to fix. Any ideas?

I sense that hard working people of "good intentions" create our predicament.

And consider our pathetic "leadership" and how rare it is to have a leader who is truly admirable.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:30 | 4841446 MachoMan
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Trouble is the USA is psychically profoundly fucked. Not easy to fix. Any ideas?

I sense that hard working people of "good intentions" create our predicament.

And consider our pathetic "leadership" and how rare it is to have a leader who is truly admirable.

First, our leadership is always pathetic.  This stems from the very process in which leaders are put into position, self-nomination.  The thought process of deciding that you are fit to lead is void of a fundamental element of good leadership, humility.

Second, although the road to hell is paved with good intentions, most of our predicament comes from not so good intentions.  If the world was awash with ned flanders types, it would probably look better...  albeit not remotely ideal.

Third, it's not the USA in particular that is fucked.  Huxley got it right.  Let me repeat that if his proposed future isn't scary enough, Huxley got it right.  Our demand for comfort at the expense of family, friends, wealth, health, soul, and freedom is only going to grow.  The metrics to judge and clasify human behavior are only becoming more accurate.  The answer to the question of what minimum provisions are necessary to ensure no riots or power exchange takes place from the ground up is already pretty well known.  While human behavior will always be too complicated to perfectly predict, omniscience isn't necessary to effectively subjugate all of humanity.  Why bother building a prison cell when you can get everyone to conform their own behavior?  There will always be jockeying for power, but the smart money is on peers, not the plebs.  It may take a couple more cycles to perfect the process, but the entire world is working towards this end. 

The only saving grace to the entire charade is that eventually the central planners run out of resources...  but this is only inductively correct and never seems to stop the world from trying.  Each successive empire builds upon the methods of the last.  What has been learned can't be unlearned, good or bad; it can only be supressed.  We're inching towards something most people don't want to talk about.  

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:10 | 4841339 imbrbing
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I would bet 100 years ago the percentage of the population that had guns was greater than it is now.

I am manufacturing numbers here to make a point.

100 years ago 75% owning guns, not one school shooting

Today 50% own guns, school shooting once a month.

Its not the amount of guns, its the crazies we have created with the pharmacuticals.

100 years ago 1% on pharmacuticals

Today 50% ??????

We have managed to cook everyones noodle for the sake of pharmacutical prophets.

Every day now I see a advertisement for a "new pill" you can take for some "ailment".

Never mind it moves the leak coming from your nose to that which leaks out your anus and fries your brain.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:30 | 4841445 firstdivision
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The civilian gun ownership per capita in Afghanistan is higher, and look at how many shootings happen there, but then again most will just say the problem is 'too many brown people'.

Also, 100 years ago, this country was taught a completely different set of values and morals, but let's ignore that and go with your air numbers. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:42 | 4841501 Pure Evil
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If too many guns were the issue, then why aren't we seeing multiple shootings across the country every day?

My thoughts are it was well known how psychotropics affect the level of violence in male children. You can't give male kids Ritalin which has the same effects amphetamines and not expect them to become extremly agitated.

Of course no considers that the more these kids take these drugs the more tolerant they become making it necessary to increase the dosage.

Why don't we take our male children off these drugs and see what happens before we decide to take the guns away from law abiding citizens.

DARE!

Dare to take your male children of Ritalin and other SSRI's.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:11 | 4842126 Oldwood
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The most important thing is that you are feeling comfortable and safe.

It isn't important that gun crime has actually declined.

It isn't important that our government and its media suckle at the teet of insecurity and do everything in their power to spread fear...not of them but of each other. After all, we know who the enemy is and its our neighbor, not our public officials that rely fully on the intimidation of the powers of the State to pay their wages.

Maybe you should concentrate on the source of your fears, those perpetrating them, rather than statistical anomalies.

Here is an air figure for you. You have a 1000% better chance of being robbed by your government than by your neighbor.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:42 | 4841491 Pure Evil
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.....

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:24 | 4841140 mr1963
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Obvious yes. I say the threat of having someone go out on your terms rather than theirs will have a declining affect on these types of incidents. Them knowing they can off themselves makes it that much easier for them. Them knowing you're going to take both kneecaps and both elbows and leave them crippled for the rest of their miserable lives, and they're going to be a little less inclined to start down this road...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:29 | 4841156 supersajin
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YES, because more guns on the streets of America has really reduced gun violence over the past 10-20 yrs!!  This is a culture problem, not a guns problem.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 17:16 | 4841990 SAT 800
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Here, the cops hide behind parked cars in the parking lot; until the shooter runs out of ammo. then they "investigate".

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 18:20 | 4842161 robertsgt40
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Funny how none of these "shooters" survive to tell their side of the story. FF

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:45 | 4840961 Manthong
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.. another distraction from the Benghazi, NSA, Administration sponsored illegal migrant swarming, Bergdahl etc. scandals.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:40 | 4840966 NOTaREALmerican
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Yeah,   all with beards, screaming about their imaginary-friend, and shooting in the air.

Can't wait for the Merican equivalent.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:40 | 4840968 silentboom
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Students, the letter of the day is "V" as in vigilante.  Can you say vigilante?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:41 | 4840972 quasimodo
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Last time I checked schoolz were gun free zones, so wtf happened?

Metal detector malfunction?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:53 | 4841016 Nevsky
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'no guns' sign must have been defective

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:55 | 4841023 john39
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perp couldn't read it due to horric common core education... 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:14 | 4841101 Uncle Remus
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That's a real nasty catch-22 ya got there pal...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:41 | 4840973 Relentless101
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Here's the fix. And it's a doozy. BE A GOOD PARENT. Don't tell me I can't have guns just because you raised a psycho.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:49 | 4840998 Miffed Microbio...
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Being a "good parent" today means putting your children on drugs to "help" them. I had one friend put their child on drugs because he was shy. Dear God are you insane?! Oh, I want to give him all the opportunities to get ahead. I'm just doing what any good parent would do.

I guess I'm just old school.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:55 | 4841007 BLOTTO
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Speaking of those 'helping' drugs, students and shootings...

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School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically

School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage

School Shooting Paxil Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School

School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student

School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself

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etc, etc, etc...

 

 

 

http://ssristories.org/index1.php

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:53 | 4841256 SF beatnik
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Wife of psychiatrist once told me her husband makes $2,000 per day just writing prescriptions for junk like this.

 

We'd be much better of if patients could self-prescribe opium, morphine, LSD, etc.  To be obtainable at Walgreens, pharma  pure,  known dosages, cost similar to aspirin, ibuprofen.

 

Psychiatrists need to find work where they belong - at McDonald's.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:56 | 4841284 Temporalist
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Well at $15/hr they are going to have to fight to get a job there.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:08 | 4841798 SF beatnik
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That's because we have too many people for work that can be decently monetized - and looks like Obama's bringing in many more. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:38 | 4841481 MachoMan
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Correlation isn't causation...  The people are likely suffering from numerous mental issues if they're taking those meds.  My intuition tells me that the meds are a part of the problem, but merely citing that numerous school shooters have mental problems isn't really a revelation.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:48 | 4841531 Pure Evil
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Well, so far they're trying to make it such that anyone on psychotropic meds can be denied the right to own a gun even though they have no criminal background.

Don't believe me, look at how they're trying to deny returning veterans the right to keep their firearms.

Once they push this through then it will be such that you can't own guns if anyone in your home is on anytype of SSRI.

Then it will be if anyone is on any type of medication in the home.

One step at a time the Nazis goose stepped through Germany and then Europe.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:52 | 4841556 IndyPat
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Love ya, MachoMan....but you need to read the fine print on the med bottle.

When you take something for depression that has been shown to cause a higher risk for "suicidal thoughts", perhaps you should ask yourself if your shrink truly gives a shit?
My guess is no.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 16:22 | 4841839 MachoMan
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Virtually every medicine comes with a laundry list of possible complications from taking it...  Hell, despite all of the disclosures, I'd say it's still reasonable to be afraid of what's not on the bottle...

However, you have to put the medicines and their warnings into context.  While I believe component(s) of anti-depressants might be a cause to the school shootings, the fact remains that anti-depressants serve a functioning role for many patients (albeit largely due to their refusal to do what is necessary to change, which is also often symptomatic).

The other issue is informed consent...  so long as you are made aware of the possible side effects, then your prescribing doctor is likely absolved of responsibility.  In other words, if he tells you that it may cause you even worse suicidal thoughts and you choose to take it anyway, then what does that say about you?  I could ask if he "gives a shit," but I think that imposes a higher duty than ought to be placed.  If you accept him for merely a government sanctioned drug pusher in a white coat, then it's harder to be lead astray.  If he really gave a shit, then he would probably have to spend all of his time bemoaning the entire medical system, turn over his earnings to charity, and live in a shanty.  Again, this is probably too high of a standard to expect. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 23:39 | 4843339 IndyPat
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Fair enough.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:52 | 4841010 Relentless101
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Could not possibly agree more.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:53 | 4841274 Drachma
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You're not old-school Miffed, you are one of the few remaining sane minds in a sea of insanity.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:55 | 4841282 Silky Johnson
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These are all results of the dismantling of the family unit. We're well on the way to becoming a society completely comprised of those with a total sickness of the mind and soul.

And as you say, those that are "old school" will be fewer as we go on. Arm yourself bitches, because the shit is getting more real by the day. You are surrounded by psychopaths and freaks masquerading as functioning human beings. I think we will see many more cases like those two retards that shot up that Walmart, and these little bastards that open up in schools.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:27 | 4841430 general ambivalent
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They need to vaccinate for guns.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:55 | 4841569 firstdivision
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All it takes to be a good parent today is for the parent to put down their tablet/iphone and pay attention to their kids.  It's not that difficult.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:45 | 4840977 ebworthen
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This is a nation of "laws" where the "law" shows up, sets up a perimeter, squawks on the radio for 15-20 minutes, and moves in after the shooter has killed anyone they wanted to and themselves.

The "law" controlled by a highly intricate web of bureaucracy and lawyers, run by the courts, which are owned by the banks.  You must not threaten the profit base of the ABA.

And we can't have Mom and Dad carrying guns and not showing up for work at ABC Corporation selling Chinese plastic crap or serving up slop at the local bling eatery now, can we?  Lost productivity.  Lost profits.  Go to work, let the "law" handle it.

Don't take action yourself, that is dangerous to the hive.  Shelter in place, do as you are instructed.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:03 | 4841062 SDShack
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In a critical life or death situation, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:45 | 4841229 NickVegas
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The state fosters dependency. People defending their families away from the state apparatus is not approved.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:43 | 4840980 NoWayJose
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Dozens of police and sheriff units converged onto the scene after the shooting -- all it would have taken is one trained and armed guard (or teacher) in the school and there would be no need to converge...

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:02 | 4841060 Nevsky
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There would probably still be a victim or two [unfortunate reality], but not on a massacare scale.

 

Recall Araphahoe CO high school shooting:

An armed guard/cop on school property, raced to the scene when the phycho started shooting, confronted him. The phycho killed himself. Unfortunately he shot a girl who died afterwards, but massacare did not happen.

Neither did much of media coverage.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:50 | 4841550 Pure Evil
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We can't have that.

It would get in the way of the anti-gun Obama-UN agenda.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:48 | 4840983 Kirk2NCC1701
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They'd "take care of it", with or without guns.  In Sheepmerica*, you can't "take care of it". 

Well, you can, but Sheepmericans worry about other Sheepmericans bleating about it, if they don’t defer to big, fat and dumb Sheriff Sam Shepherd.

* "Sheepmerica" - Kirk, (C) 2014.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:46 | 4840989 I woke up
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If the admin can't get the desired result with Sandy Hook, they are going to use the media to push that agenda by slowing wearing down the masses with smaller more frequent events that are constantly in the news. 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:01 | 4841052 maskone909
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this is spot on!  how many fucking alcohol related deaths are there?  dui accidents?  imagine if they showed that on the propaganda box?  ban cars!  ban booze!  we must all drive 10 mph with our helmets and mom pants! 

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 14:01 | 4841304 Temporalist
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Better to wrap chillens in bubble wrap and stuff them in a closet until they turn 20.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:01 | 4841589 Pure Evil
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It's chilling to think how many more brainwashed and programmed Manchurian candidates they have waiting out in the wings only to be unleashed with a phone call.

Of course you'd have to believe that the government is purposely brainwashing and programming children to commit these violent acts.

Well, one could research the litany of assassinations and attempted assassinations from Bobby Kennedy to George Wallace to Ronald Raygun and all the way up to Gabrielle Dee "Gabby" Giffords.

If you look at the common denominator of these acts the people who attempted or succeeded all looked as if they were spaced out on some type of drugs and were under the control of unknown handlers.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 15:31 | 4841688 IndyPat
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How about a nice game of solitaire?

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 13:38 | 4841198 Itch
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yep, keep those dead kids off the news. They are only put there to get the guns and send you to fema camp.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:48 | 4840992 mastersnark
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All I know is the badge-less kill less dogs than the badged.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:48 | 4840994 Bunga Bunga
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See, police needs moar machine guns.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:49 | 4841001 IndyPat
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Ah yes, there's the Multnomah Sheriffs Dept in their bitchin' armored truck...to the rescue. All decked out in Military uniforms and fast helmets.
Bunch of fat asses.

Tue, 06/10/2014 - 12:52 | 4841003 LawsofPhysics
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Was the shooter buried at sea "according to his religious customs..."?

 

/s

 

More sad news on many levels..

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