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Is A Second American Revolution Now Inevitable?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

"Stand your ground.  Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." - Militia Captain John Parker at the Battle Of Lexington

Just a couple days ago, two armed assailants, a married couple purported by the mainstream media to be “white supremacists” and “conspiracy theorists,” ambushed two police officers at a CiCi’s Pizza in Las Vegas, killing the officers after screaming, “This is a revolution!” The suspects then reportedly covered one officer’s body with a Gadsden Don’t Tread On Me flag and then fled to a Walmart, where they killed another man with a CCW who attempted to reason with them, then committed suicide. Yes, it reads like a Southern Poverty Law Center fantasy story; and in many ways, it is.

As we all predicted the MSM has followed the pattern they have always followed, which is to equate the actions of one or two psychotics with the beliefs and principles of the liberty movement in general.

I remember when Jared Loughner fired into a crowd of people near Tucson, Ariz., killing numerous Federal and State employees; the immediate response by the media was to attempt to tie him to the liberty movement. In the end, he turned out to be a raving leftist. I remember the Boston Marathon bombing and the automatic reflex by the media to accuse “right-wing extremists” of the crime. So far, we have seen NO hard evidence to implicate anyone specific in that atrocity, including the Tsarnaev brothers. Of all the violent crimes dumped in the lap of the liberty movement over the years, how many have actually been committed or endorsed by the liberty movement? I can’t think of any.

This has not prevented the establishment media from doing everything in their power to associate criminal action with political ideals.  Efforts to sully the success of the Bundy Ranch stand-off were swift, with Jared and Amanda Miller's visit to Bunkerville splashed across the headlines.  Luckily, the sound judgement of organizations like Oath Keepers led founder Stewart Rhodes to personally ask the two future shooters to leave the property.  I can only imagine the weight of the slander if they had been allowed to stay.

When an activist movement holds the moral high ground against a repressive establishment power structure, the establishment’s primary recourse is to target the character of its principles. The secondary recourse is direct confrontation. If a dissenting organization is not mindlessly vicious in its methods, then simply make it APPEAR vicious. If it is not hateful in its rhetoric, then artificially tie it to people who are. And if a government really needs to kick-start a crackdown, it can engineer its own man-made calamities and blame the groups that most threaten its authority.

This was achieved to great effect in Europe from the 1950s until the 1990s by the CIA working in tandem with multiple European governments under a covert project called Operation Gladio.



Gladio was essentially a secret army of operatives and stooges, handlers and puppets, used to create false-flag terrorist shootings and bombings across Europe that were blamed on “left-wing extremists.” In reality, NATO alphabet agencies were behind the entire facade. The goal was to terrorize the citizenry through a nonstop campaign of indiscriminate death, blamed on a convenient scapegoat, so that individuals would hand over more freedom and more power to the central governments. The point is, whether real or staged, I believe such events are going to escalate within the U.S. today on an incredible scale and that, regardless of evidence, they will be blamed on “right-wing extremists.” In case you were wondering, that label will be foisted on most if not all of us.

That said, I think an important truth needs to be stated here: Whether the beliefs of the attackers in Las Vegas were actually liberty movement-oriented or not is ultimately irrelevant. To shoot random police and civilians and then commit suicide is an act of pure insanity, a product of mental instability that has nothing to do with political philosophy, and mental instability trumps belief and association anytime.  Mentally unstable people exist within ALL belief systems and political groups.

At bottom, I do not care what their beliefs were. Their actions do not represent the values I hold dear, nor do I think they represent the values most of us hold dear. The shooting is a tragedy, but in the grand scheme of things, it means nothing, and I have little doubt it will be forgotten within weeks.

I relate the story because I do, in fact, agree with one thing: that a “revolution,” a second American Revolution, is inevitable. But I think I speak for the vast majority of the movement when I say that this revolution will not begin with the deaths of innocents or random government employees on our hands, and it certainly won’t begin at the doorstep of a CiCi’s Pizza.

The Bundy ranch incident, which occurred only a short drive from Las Vegas, has been a revelation for many people. Mistakes were made, provocateurs reared their ugly heads, and lessons were learned. But overall, America has been fundamentally changed, even if the average person does not realize it yet. The information war came within a razor’s edge of evolving into a shooting war, with the establishment in retreat, licking its wounds while planning how it can gain back its composure and carefully crafted image of "invincibility".

What frightens the establishment most, I think, is that the American people have become active participants in their own national environment once again. At Bundy ranch, they stopped asking for mercy, they stopped begging the system to police itself, they stopped waiting for the rigged elections, and they stopped relying on useless legal avenues to effect change. Rather, they took matters into their own hands and changed the situation on the ground on their own. For oligarchy, this development is unacceptable, because one success could lead to many.

Already, we are beginning to hear whispers of possible Federal retribution against those who participated in the confrontation.

This has been cemented within the efforts of a new task force against “domestic terrorism” organized by none other than Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder.

After the recent exposure of Barack Obama’s Department of Defense Directive 3025.18, we now know that since at least 2010, the White House has been setting the stage for the use of military force against “domestic threats.” That is to say, for at least the past four years our government has been quietly maneuvering toward martial law. It’s been happening for much longer if you count George W. Bush’s Presidential Decision Directive 51, which has yet to be fully declassified.

The exposure of Directive 3025.18 also came with information that the Obama Administration considered using it as a way to activate military forces and drones against the Bundy ranch. The burning question is, of course, why didn’t it? The Federal government is not known for its diplomacy in the face of a defiant citizenry. Waco and Ruby Ridge made that clear. I believe that it was not necessarily the people on the ground at Bunkerville, Nev., that they were most worried about. The terrain is admittedly a terrible place to mount a defense against a mechanized horde of jackboots.

No, what the White House feared was a larger response to such an attack. It feared the millions of patriots who would swarm down from all sides if it committed to a Ruby Ridge-style siege. It feared the reality that this time, Americans were not going to sit back and watch another family be slaughtered on national television.  It feared the fact that it didn’t have the moral high ground in the public eye and that a kinetic failure on its part would be met with cheers, rather than tears, from much of the populace.

So where does this leave us? With the Bundy success besmirching the Feds, the next strategic program will likely include an unprecedented effort to demonize the liberty movement perhaps to the point of a Gladio-type false-flag campaign, leading to the eventual detention of activists as domestic security threats. It’s not going to end with shootings in pizzerias and slobbering hit pieces from the SPLC.  Expect a landslide of violent acts.  Expect another engineered large-scale calamity like the Oklahoma City Bombing.  Expect dozens of Timothy McVeighs to be trotted out in the media. Expect the Liberty Movement's name to be buried in an avalanche of bullshit. Mark my words; it’s going to get much worse from here on.

And this is where I will add my warning.

Before the Bundy ranch became a possible battleground, I stated in my article “Real Americans Are Ready To Snap” that the liberty movement was going to draw a line in the sand over Bureau of Land Management abuses in Bunkerville, and I was right.

It seems to me that time is growing short. As tyrants become more bold, so too must the citizenry; otherwise, we shrivel up and die.  We cannot allow the movement's momentum to be shattered and driven underground as the militia movement was after Oklahoma City.  We know what is coming, and we must drive forward.  We know we will be labeled as terrorists and villains, and ultimately, we must realize that such eventualities do not matter.  The Liberty Movement is not going away.  In fact, future clashes with our criminal government are only going to become more frequent.

The next family threatened, the next activist individual or group arrested or black-bagged without legitimate cause, the next major false flag, the next use of military forces as civil law enforcement, the next unConstitutional misstep, and I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind that a revolt will erupt. It’s not about making grand predictions; it’s about examining the logical odds, and the odds are high. The knowledge that the establishment is considering using the full force of its military apparatus against the people has not dissuaded anyone. Bundy ranch was a very near miss. I do not expect a peaceful resolution the next time around. I also do not expect the government as it exists now to stop clamoring for more control or less corruption. If recent events have proven anything, they have proven that a second American Revolution is inevitable; and all we can do is ready ourselves.


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Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:38 | 4846611 TeamDepends
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Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:40 | 4846620 algol_dog
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Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:40 | 4846623 McMolotov
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I think it's completely evitable.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:44 | 4846634 Bro of the Sorr...
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agreed. and the people on this site should know that bloodshed and violent revolution never come without extremely high costs.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:47 | 4846658 DIgnified
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Its relative to the benefit. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:01 | 4846706 DaddyO
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Always enjoy Brandon!

It is definitely a matter of when in my opinion.

As long as Harry Reid and his ilk demonize everyday Americans, the slide will get steeper until whoosh, everyone slips.

Then lookout below, just like Lexington Green.


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:17 | 4846767 Four chan
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the tree of liberty

the blood of patriots 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:41 | 4846835 CH1
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Tough guy talk.... for the future.

All we have to do is to stop obeying. Then they fall without violence. 

But, no... disobedience is far too scary. Better to promise bloody bravery in the future.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:55 | 4846904 NidStyles
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While I agree with you, I don't think the wider variety of communists will let it slide peacefully. I think right when the economy is the most painful the communists will make their move. This is what I have gathered from friends in SoCal that are involved in business with some of those communists. They want California for sure, but would be willing to take more territory. After that it's anyone's guess as to what happens. 


I honestly see Balkanization occurring. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:58 | 4847121 TheReplacement
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You make good points.

Communists are well known for creating crises in order to take advantage of them.  Isn't that right Rahm?  Anyway, they will not create the big crisis until they are ready. 

So... if the liberty movement sits on its hands and doesn't participate all they accomplish is giving the communists more time to prepare and launch the crisis at the time of their choosing.  This is an absolute, 100%, recipe for failure for the liberty movement.  Imagine what the military will look like in a year or two or three when all the illegals are taken in and given uniforms.  They don't give a shit about Americans.  They don't understand the (real) American way.  They will follow orders, they come from that kind of top down power culture.  They bow to the Pope and whatever strongman is in power.  Give them guns and a strongman to follow and they will use those guns following him.

The liberty movement is aging and being demographed out of existence.  Time is not on the side of the liberty movement.  Lexington/Bundy must happen all the time until either the dictators back down and run away or open fire.  Ground must be stood NOW.

Edit:  For clarity, I am saying CH1 is completely wrong and if you follow his advice you will end up on the losing side. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:48 | 4847405 chumbawamba
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Hmm, sounds like incitement to me.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 08:21 | 4847876 CH1
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Seems like a lot of incitement follows Brandon Smith around.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 09:03 | 4848007 robobbob
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don't pigeon hole yourself with pointing at the front men. yank on a communist thread hard enough, and usually it leads to a banker somehow. not to mention more then a few vultures jockeying in the wings to jump on the carcass if the "revolution" doesn't go as planned.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:01 | 4847130 chumbawamba
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But you don't have to obey the communists either.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 00:43 | 4847507 NidStyles
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Sure, but they are likely to be well armed, real commies usually are. :-)

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 10:32 | 4848333 PrintemDano
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Once Communists have total control you certainly do have to obey them, or end up kneeling in front of a mass grave with a pistol aimed at the back of your head.  Your choice.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:09 | 4847164 SF beatnik
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I can more readily imagine a military coup, as the currrent administration perpetrates one major fuckup after another, and the "Deep State" see the great ship going down. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:58 | 4847297 Calmyourself
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CH1 am I missing the news stories regarding your non-compliance activities?  I must be because on the innertubes your so brave, so demanding of others sacrifice for your ideals.  I await with great joy the posting of your exploits..

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 08:23 | 4847883 CH1
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Another creative excuse for doing nothing. Either that or wishing to see someone like me go to jail.

In either case, grow a pair and do something beside tough-guy talk.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 13:32 | 4849215 runningman18
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What are your accomplishements?  Where are the stories of your dissenting activities?  Or, are you just a hypocrite...?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 13:51 | 4849325 Calmyourself
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"someone like me go to jail"  Don't worry normally for a most likely obese tough talking punk like you they leave you in moms basement if the tracking bracelet fits around your ankle.  I'll stay with my 60# pack and six mile hikes just in case, something comes up..

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 02:08 | 4847579 beaglebog
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Here is a link to an enjoyable short story about non-violent resistance.   It's set in India, following a fictional German conquest.  It's a parable, really.


The story amply demonstrates the limits of non-violence. IMO.


If you think that you can simply say, "No",  and then escape personal violation ... well, I do admire your innocence of thought and your touching belief in the benevolence of State' institutions.


"The important questions are always settled at sword-point."   It's a truism.


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 13:53 | 4849340 Calmyourself
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Beagle bog, thank you for that, should be mandatory reading.  Saw it several weeks back on a liberty blog then lost the addy, I am sending that out!!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:05 | 4850675 Omegaman2211
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Good one about the power of disobedience and non-compliance:


"Anarchy in action – an excellent model of an anarchist or free society"

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 09:15 | 4848039 sfisher
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I understand your position, and agree that if the people "stop obeying" that they will fall.  However, given the State's monopoly on violence, the State will be busy stuffing the jails with those that disobey.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:17 | 4846768 wee-weed up
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"Is A Second American Revolution Now Inevitable?"

According to all the guns & bullets ALL the Gov't agencies are massively stocking up on...

They obviously think so.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:30 | 4846820 Bad Attitude
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American citizens have also been massively stocking up. That is why ammunition has been so difficult to get the past couple of years and firearms manufacturers are selling all the guns they can make. The Obama regime is actively trying to start a civil war, and the regime must think they will win.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:19 | 4846773 RevRex
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Them's Fighting Words! I love it....

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:46 | 4846877 OceanX
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More freedom and liberty were won with documents than guns z.b. Magna Carta...  Freedom of Speech, Fair Elections and a Free Press are the essential elements of a free society,  Not ownership of weapons.  --just sayin,


Give the courts a chance, indictements and capital punishment for financial crimes.  An informed populace can precipitate change.

TPTB now how to deal with violence, being lurred into it is a sucker's game.


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:03 | 4846932 putaipan
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sovereignity movement = domestic terrorist. that was in response to "give the courts a chance".

i realize that you were refering to financial crimes, but somehow i think the courts with them gold fringed flags interpret the law of the land a little differently than you were taught in school.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:16 | 4846991 TeethVillage88s
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Flip side to documents is Treaties like NAFTA, DR-CAFTA, Caribbean Basin Treaty, WTO, TPP, TAP.

Lou Dobbs book War on the Middle Class from 2005 states that the CAFTA Treaty had 1000 pages of International Law within it. He claims that these Treaties surrender US Sovereignty to an International Body like the WTO.

- Not just Property Rights or Copy Rights
- Immigrants can sue and bring an entire work force to the USA
- Town or City Zoning Laws can be overturned to allow building that is unwanted
- Sounds like Walmart took this on to Sue to put in a Store on US Soil in a Small Town

- After a war the Treaty says "all debts will be honored"
- Notice how Bankruptcy for main street got harder before the bubble and Bank Failures
- But the Bailout proves that harsh bankruptcy terms is just for people not for corporations

Laws have been used against the people of the USA ever since the Creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.

It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
James Madison


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:31 | 4847044 OceanX
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You are absolutely right!  In fact, everything you cite is an argument for my case.  We have lost more freedom and liberty through documrents than we have through violence.   So what is more powerful in the end?


A surprisingly excellent cover of Warpigs...

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:05 | 4847316 TeethVillage88s
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Yeah, good song, refreshing. Thanks for the comment.

Like all things with humans it is probably mixed and often appears complicated.

- I notice the men & women here in the mid-west are strong, often confident, and tough. Lots of discipline.
- I'd say parenting in the Mid-West is a mix of Strength with rules & intelligence.
- Maybe communities, Schools, and Parenting is not so different from other kinds things that are important.
- Just we don't know what is going on in Government, Money Speaks louder to Politicians, Media is not educational enough, Media needs to transform & Grow, We the people want to know our own history

- Activism is missing
- I think many people don't respect Activism or see it as only useful for community fund raising
- It Took the USA 100 Years to Get Worker Rights, this was done not through fighting or documents, but through Protesting & Activism & Education

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 08:54 | 4847983 OceanX
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Activism is missing  -Yes, need a lot more participation.  Wolfpac delivered 2 milliion signed petitions to congress, to limit campaing financing.  first step is to get the money out of the game (I know, good luck with that...)  Anyone remember the telecommunications act of 1984?


"It Took the USA 100 Years to Get Worker Rights, this was done not through fighting or documents"   -The laws that went into effect, are in fact, the documents, that I am talking about.


IMO violent revolution will only lead to more problems.  Ask Iranians or Cubans, how it is working for them...


Meanwhile, Iceland has had some sucess with banking reform. 

"We the People" are the government.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:02 | 4847132 TheReplacement
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Do you pay your taxes because of words on a piece of paper or because you know you will lose your belongings and possibly end up in prison, all at the point of a gun?

Words mean nothing without action.  You need to stop misleading people into believing useless words will stop bullets.  Bodies stop bullets.  People must take action.  People must stand up to oppression.  People must make the oppressors use bullets or quit the game because their words are meaningless. 


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:08 | 4850685 Omegaman2211
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Government is words on paper and men sitting in buildings.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:08 | 4850686 Omegaman2211
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Oh and guns. Lots and lots and lots of guns.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 02:20 | 4847583 beaglebog
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King John signed the Magna Carta, because he was threatened with the alternative ... that alternative being the revolt of his Feudal Lords. (they being the ones with the private armies, which collectively constituted the military might of the land).


You might consider it akin to a military coup, I suppose.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:07 | 4850682 Omegaman2211
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Fuck government. Fuck giving government a chance.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:10 | 4846738 PrintemDano
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The cost of fighting must be weighed against the cost of NOT fighting........


If in fact this fight does occur, it would be a Counter Revolution.....NOT a Revolution.


Molon Labe

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:56 | 4846908 NidStyles
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It's nice to see that I am not the only one that sees this. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:03 | 4847136 TheReplacement
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+1 for counter.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:49 | 4846889 spacecadet
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And whose fault is it, that brings a nation to the point of revolution? 
The blood is on the Governments hands


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:10 | 4847326 XitSam
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Whose fault? It depends on who wins.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:50 | 4847099 TheReplacement
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Compared to the costs of being slaves (100% loss)?  How do you calculate value?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 01:57 | 4847569 beaglebog
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True ... fighting a war is a shitty option.


Now, what is the alternative?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 08:26 | 4847897 H. Perowne
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Slavery and serfdom, on the other hand, are on for fire-sale prices, no? 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:43 | 4846637 gh0atrider
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With Satoshi by our sides!

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:39 | 4846850 CH1
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ZHers can't abide Satoshi. Nor will they ever use their precious "stacks."

Better to use FRNs... but complain about them, of course! (One must keep up appearances.)

Always talk, never action.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 13:56 | 4849361 Calmyourself
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Agent provocateur....

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:43 | 4846640 Uncle Remus
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We're listening...

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:15 | 4846763 No Quarter
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Nothing is ineveitable. Likely, thats another story.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:26 | 4846951 Dick Buttkiss
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Perhaps not.  But this is the story.  And it is how the revolution will unfold:


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:05 | 4847146 TheReplacement
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So you really think a virtual currency that MUST rely on government controlled communications and power systems is how you are going to beat the government?

Wanna buy a shiny new bridge?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 00:45 | 4847508 gh0atrider
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There is more than one government that owns all power, electrical and telecommunications centers on Earth.  Hate to break it to you....

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 06:36 | 4847754 Dick Buttkiss
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Shutting down communications and power systems not only shuts down the economy; it shuts down the government.

Ain't gonna happen, in other words, at least not on purpose and certainly not for long, unless we're headed down The Road.


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 09:10 | 4848024 exi1ed0ne
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You are aware that governments have thier own communications networks that can be kept on while your network is shut down, right?  SIPRnet, NIPRnet, alphabet soupnet.  That is the whole reason for the "Internet kill switch" - create a plan and method for shutting the revolting masses down without impacting federal and state comms.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 12:12 | 4848802 Dick Buttkiss
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The Internet kill switch shuts down the economy, which includes shutting down the corporations behind our crony capitalist government.

Ain't gonna happen.

On the other hand, a collapse of the banking system — i.e., an extended "bank holiday" — shuts everything down — from credit cards, to ATMs, to the grid, to municipal water, to life as we know it.

Nine meals from anarchy, in other words — — to which no government will be immune.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:21 | 4847007 AGuy
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"I think it's completely evitable."

Americans are to fat and revolting to revolt. Too many depend on Gov't wealthfare and entitlements to start a revolution. Its not going to happen anytime soon. In most cases, revolutions bring about totalitarian gov'ts and reign of terror as one group uses fear to seize control. (French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Chinese Revolution, German revolution (rise of National socialism), countless revolutions in South America, Africa, the middle east as so on. Only on rare occasions does a revolution bring freedom and liberty.

The odds favor that the US will start WW3 before an internal revolution gets started. The US continue to destabilize foreign regions for no real economic, political or social gain. Sooner or later the US is going to push someone wrong buttons that ends up triggering the next world war. When it begins it will over in a matter of hours as nuclear power unleash their weapons of mass destruction. After the war is over all of the spent fuel pools that contain over a million tons of spent fuel rods catch fire and extinguish humanity forever. The world's gone insane! Already the US and Russia have begun a new cold war had started hot proxy wars (Syria, Ukraine). China is doubling its military power and is using its Military & economic power to gain control of regional resources. This is what Japan did in the early 20th century (industrialization -> military power -> seize regional resources -> start a war with another industrialize nation). Its the road to another World War, only that the players have changed or switched places since WW2.




Thu, 06/12/2014 - 00:08 | 4847436 Tompooz
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"I think it's completely evitable."

..but the outcome locally and globally will be completely unpredictable.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:52 | 4846678 TeamDepends
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Ye who junked us, explain yourself!  Tyler demands it.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:56 | 4846905 hognutz
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I'd say,it is desired now.  Cause we aint voting our way out of this shit...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 00:21 | 4847466 JLee2027
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Convention of the States first. Then, if that fails.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:42 | 4846630 Pool Shark
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In other words:

"Round up the usual suspects."


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:07 | 4846727 SilverRhino
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If the liberty movement does start shooting,

There will be no raving lunacy
There will be no suspects
They WILL be shooting hard targets (got officials)
They will be shooting at medium to long range
Civil officials will just start dying in dribs, drabs and then finally droves.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:43 | 4846867 weburke
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Look at the alleged "washington monument" it is an egyptian obliesk and is 666 feet from top to underground botttom. It was started in what year?      Take a clue from that. There are no targets that you know of. First rule of war is what again, know your enemy? Bullets will not change who runs things. Bullets may protect you from whomever, but there will be no directions given by armed men, know matter how well intentioned. Get out of harms way if you can. Sorry, but keep a loose grip on your beliefs that were not actually true before, and not now. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:17 | 4847339 XitSam
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The Washington Monument is 555 feet 5 inches. Underground bottom? So you start measuring from wherever you want? The foundation is 36 feet deep.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:15 | 4847345 TheReplacement
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Running is your advice?  That is just silly.  If everyone does that the PTB will simply consolidate and strengthen their control and reach.  You can run but you cannot hide.  Give them the US and all its military and technology and your days will be numbered too.

Running is not freedom.  Running is the act of a person who is a slave to their own fear.  You can run and maybe live weeks, months, or even years longer but no matter what you will someday die.  Your will meet your fate.  If your idea of living is being chased like a rat through the sewers of the world then you have a very pointless existence in front of you.  You have my pity.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 01:34 | 4847550 August
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>>>Give them the US and all its military and technology and your days will be numbered too.

Maybe yes, but maybe no.  After all, isn't the US military, US technology, US financial clout already commanded by Those Who Cannot Be Named? 

I have lived largely outside the US since 1999; at least I have the satisfaction of knowing that my life, capital and labor aren't supporting the Great Satan itself.  If the USA dissolves into openly warring parties, it might be fun to come back and get in a few shots myself;  I'll have to have my cataracts removed first, though.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 00:01 | 4847426 Citxmech
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Wiki says it's 555ft & 5-1/8 inches tall. . . 

Are you saying the pilings go 110'+ underground?  The design plans make it look like it's maybe 20' deep.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 04:37 | 4847674 ebear
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People's feet were smaller back then.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:42 | 4846633 stant
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Yes. Count on it, prep accordingly

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:14 | 4846747 Tsunami Wave
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The left-wing media idiots are stepping up their criticism for preppers.  Before you know it, they'll probably call for physically discriminating against us.


"I'd learned that preppers are, without exception, a bunch of fat racists playing with guns in the woods and throwing money down the drain to buy underground shelters and dehydrated foods to survive an event that's never going to happen. Also, probably, they have at some point posted in the same internet forums as someone who went on to be a spree killer."

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:42 | 4846864 Government need...
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The folks who seek to demonize patriots who plan ahead are going to end up being the most surprised as their leaders and beliefs are washed away.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:50 | 4847100 vortmax
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Eh, it's quoted out of context--read it again. The author is talking about the preconceived notions he had before he went to the convention. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:15 | 4847180 Andre
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This is an interesting one.

While the story is tedious, one question posed to a family member about me was, "Why should HE survive"?

The person asking this had no desire to prepare, or to even consider facts, much less possibilities derived from them. She embraced the feminist/victim entitlement philosophy to an unfortunate degree, and I observed several issues with this.

  1. They are loath to bite the hand that feeds them
  2. They refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of what they do or do not do
  3. They feel their life should be handed to them on a platter (because they "deserve it")
  4. Facts and logic do not matter, they will seize on anything to justify their position. Knock down one argument they throw up another. Lather rinse repeat as often as necessary.

This is something that will cause great problems, for everyone (including TPTB) Victims, like other personality types (e.g. narcissist) fear and hate the very idea of consequences and responsibility, and they cordially despise people who do not share their view. Many will, I suspect, fight tooth and nail to be the best, most loyal slaves possible.

This is by design, it follows the Roman Mob mentality exactly "Keep them stupid and dependent and they will be easy to control" History says otherwise, but I have noticed the educational achievement of our leadership is not, for most part, very high. They have not learned you can buy answers, but you cannot buy the integrity or validity of those who give them.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:34 | 4847230 Frankie Carbone
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If a war starts, and I pray to God it doesn't, then these types of people will be among the first to get the smackdown in my opinion. The toads that have been willfully ignorant enablers of this mess, the "libr'uls", your dime a dozen global warming kooks, me thinks, better run. 

There's a ton of pent up anger, from coast to coast, at these useful idiots and if this thing breaks down then I think a lot of folks on the "conservative side" - republican party loyalists, even perhaps police and ex-mil, and especially southerner "conservative" republicans, are going to get into the fight (not for liberty of course, but keep reading) and are going to look at them as soft targets, and the primary enemy. People are going to vent, and its going to be extremely ugly. 

Seriously, how many radical gun control activists, race mongerers, or statist groupies do you think are going to come out of something like that without a chunk of lead/antimony in their heads? 

Here's what I think. The run-of-the-mill party loyal "conservatives" *cough*, the ones that still think that Boener is going to run and make a great president, are going to annihilate these people. They have been pushed around, and pushed around hard for 4 decades and I think they are going to want their cubic mile of blood. I know a lot of them in my world, in one way or another, and THEY are fucking lunatics that will chomp at the bit for a little get evenism. 

It's not us, the folks that just want to have the constitution respected, that the population should fear. It's THEM. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:03 | 4847311 20834A
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So we must do what liberals do and change the nomenclature.  Change the words prepper and survivalist to "self-provider". Sounds so PC, wot? And if the revolution comes down, no one is going to be providing people with anything.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:23 | 4847360 TheReplacement
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Obviously you misread the beginning and didn't read the rest.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:47 | 4846652 yrbmegr
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The beliefs and principles of the "liberty movement", as personified by Cliven Bundy, sum to the proposition that the only legitimate function of government is to restrain others for their benefit.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:47 | 4846655 Dr. Engali
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Let me tell you about the negros......

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:52 | 4846669 Bro of the Sorr...
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i admit i lauged at that, but the reality is that the government has been the plight of blacks for decades. first they broke down the family unit by imprisoning the men, forcing the women and children onto welfare, and then they destoryed black culture through things like gangster rap, and the heroin and crack cocaine epidemics.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:58 | 4846695 Dr. Engali
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The government has been the plight if the American people for decades. They have committed the same damage to white Americans as they have to black Americans the difference being, we are allowed to talk about white Americans. The Latinos will befall the same fate as well, given enough time.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:06 | 4846726 Bro of the Sorr...
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damage has not been equal at all. it has ruined the black family to a much greater extent. any statistical analysis of blacks vs whites makes that clear very quickly. maybe that is because they were targeted earlier on, or maybe there's something inherently different between us like you seem to suggest in your first comment, but i would be much more inclined to believe the former.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:11 | 4846742 Dr. Engali
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My first comment was merely to point out how easy it is for a movement to destroy itself by opening their mouth on the wrong topic.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:43 | 4847076 Spumoni
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It doesn't seem to me that the creation, by the US court system of fatherless families has anything to do with race. The purge of male role models has been ubiquitous. There are very real racial issues at work, many also courtesy of the courts, but aside from Richard Reid (lacking in imagination, intelligence AND a father), seems to me that all of the unhinged morons going about shooting up schools and movie houses are white. 

Old man Occam's razor is quite a busy algo these days. Why does 'government' sit back and do nothing about these shootings? Doing nothing while people go armed to the terror of the public is as tacit a condoning action as can be. Refusing to address the causes of these tragedies makes them all complicit, sure-but maybe the other side is that 'government' intends for these things to happen. 

There will be no change until there is a genuine Opposition party with a real agenda. That agenda must include solutions, which this government and both political parties are as devoid of as the Sahara is of rain.

Armed revolution against this machine is not going to work. If the so-called terrorist organizations were NOT the brainchildren of the powers behind the thrones, then the leadership would be the people in the gunsights instead of secretaries and children. After all, the first rule of war is to reduce or remove the leadership and COC of your enemy. When they begin to fall, there will be change in the status quo. In the meantime, current destabilizing ops are working very well at allowing government to identify who its detractors are. All they have to do is read this blog. (And they are not going to improve their respect for liberty).

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:21 | 4847202 litemine
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That is what happened to OWS.  The sceen was set and various special interest groups allowed the Jack Boots to break up the OWS cause.......The special interest groups could have even been started by the Government as they have done in the past.   Sometimes its the government that is on the rioters side , even the ones that are first to throw stones.............OWS was to be non violent......the obect was lost, no help from the State controled media. Myself, its the organizational ideal, keeping the fighting groups small with little electronic communications, hit and run tactics............When you have nothing you have nothing to lose. To stop the revolt it seems transparency is required to see who really runs the show......then the main population should decide, not like now, where very few get their cronies to do their bidding then step back, watching from comfort. Yet PROFIT, PROFIT and don't have compassion for others.......self made Royals......

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:41 | 4847395 NeedtoSecede
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You forgot to mention all the compassionate treatment the gooberment dished out to the red man...

I only see one UNLIKELY path that ends in liberty without violence.  But since the statist will do anything to hold on to power and control (we are all on the reservation now), they will purposely bring the violence to us, so I will not even bother to speculate.

Tough decisions ahead for those of us who are awake.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:49 | 4846667 Bemused Observer
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I'll tell you all something...Bundy and the two psychotics in Vegas sure as hell are NOT going to get me going.

But the minute someone steps forward who DOES make sense and ISN'T a fucking lunatic, I'm THERE.

The refusal of 'the people' to stand up shouldn't be misinterpreted as complacence. A lot of us are just waiting for the right leader to emerge...

(maybe that should be scary, that sort of thing tends to lead to fascism. But I swear, MY guy means well...)

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:10 | 4846743 sleigher
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I have maintained this for a while.  There will be a leader who emerges.  A new Jefferson or something.  This person will lead this country to freedom.  Yes there will be a lot of blood along the way.  A LOT of blood.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:46 | 4846875 20834A
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I wish Ron Paul would say enough is enough. Maybe I'm a fool, but I trust him and would follow him.


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:59 | 4846921 NidStyles
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You understand that you would be asking for him to essentially commit suicide. 


Any real leader that arises will be a constant target and threatened at every single second of the day. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:13 | 4847335 20834A
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Anyone who goes up against the government is accepting a suicidal mission. That's what my 7  greats Greatgrandfather did. And my Congressional Medal of Honor  (posthumous) winning greatuncle did, in WWII. And all the descendants in between. As will I. No risk, no gain.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:56 | 4846909 CH1
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This person will lead this country to freedom

Ah, waiting for the Great Man... a fine old superstition.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:12 | 4846973 Cloud9.5
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The first American Revolution did not start with a leader.  It started with a swarm of pissed off people who were tired of being pushed around by an absentee landlord.  The second may very well start in the same way.


I have a tremendous fear of leaders.  Guys with funny little mustaches and under arm rashes can put you on a train for Auschwitz and have you clamoring for a ticket.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:02 | 4847135 SF beatnik
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Yes, time's ripe for a leader.  But think Hitler. When Putzy Hanfstengle first set eyes on a youthful, budding Hitler, speaking passionately before a small group of people, he knew he would someday be chancellor. 

A leader of genius will take the people wherever he sees fit. So be careful of what you wish for.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:08 | 4847154 FredFlintstone
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The anti Christ ?

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:18 | 4846772 subscriptionblocker
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"I'll tell you all something...Bundy and the two psychotics in Vegas sure as hell are NOT going to get me going."



Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:32 | 4847046 BeanusCountus
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You are right on the money. But leaders are in short supply. And so is the power to get a true leader's message to those who would respond with support. TPTB have made a concerted effort to gain control of every medium, quite successfully I might add. With their use of (well researched) terms like "terrorist", "conspiracy theorist", "doomsdayer", etc, etc, they have managed to attach a label to people that ties many true patriots to nutballs who shoot up Colorado movie theaters. (Just mention the words AR-15 at your next subdivision get together.) The conversation has to be changed. It is time to come up with terms that define the enemy and use them. And use them consistently, as the establishment done so well. Then, a leader to deliver the message. Cool, calm, no bulging eyes, etc, etc. This fight will be long. Not even sure its winnable given the substantial advantage already held by those currently in control.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:50 | 4846670 Pareto
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Conducting asinine monetary policy experiments on your own citizenry, fleecing them with higher prices and higher taxes; evicerating the middle class to prospects of perpetual impoverishment and robbing people of their dignity - well what the fuck do you expect - Janis said it best "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."  nuff said.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:22 | 4846777 Acidtest Dummy
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Me and Bobby McGee. -Kris Kristofferson and Fred Foster, but yeah, Janis may have sung it best.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:52 | 4846675 James Dandy
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Too bad most Americans have a hard time getting off the sofa to pick up their smartphones and log onto Fuckbook.  As much as I wish it weren't so, it's way too late.  The US is one giant experiment, how much Zionists can fuck a place up after robbing it blind.  It's not like they haven't done it before. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:08 | 4846736 RaceToTheBottom
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I don't spend my time on "Fuckbook", 

I spend it on


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:55 | 4846685 Dr Benway
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Not a chance. 99% of people fully agree with the current system, and think ZHers are wackos. The numbers just aren't there, and what little resistance exists is fatally splintered.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:04 | 4846720 DaddyO
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You wouldn't believe the flack I get in my own house for the time I spend reading and posting on ZH.

And that's among likeminded family, my sister who is a big fan of SPLC thinks I'm the devil incarnate.

Oh well, chin up mates and tally ho...hedge accordingly.


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:08 | 4846733 BandGap
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Both of my college boys follow Zero Hedge, as I highly recommended it. Both of them discuss what is said here with friends at their respective colleges. My wife sort of buries her head in the sand, but still wants range time with her Glock.

It is forming from the ground on up, that is what surprises the status quo.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:08 | 4846735 stant
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We still luv ya big daddyo, soldier on sir

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:30 | 4846822 krispkritter
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Most of the people I try and awaken still can't get it's not ''...(and you'll laugh your ass off where that goes)

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:33 | 4847379 XitSam
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Your sister.  If she shows up at your door some day, hungry from her grasshopper behavior ... will you feed her?

Assuming she doesn't live with you.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 07:35 | 4847798 DaddyO
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Yes, she'll be well fed.

But if the rolls were reversed, she doen't have anything put back so we would both starve.

Again, hedge appropriately...


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:48 | 4846886 20834A
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Don't forget, it only took 3% of the population to fight and win in the 1st American Revolution.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:40 | 4847393 XitSam
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That was people that actually fought.  Do you discount widespread popular support being a factor?  Against a government a month away (two months round trip).  This time will be very different.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 01:11 | 4847535 20834A
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All the police going door to door and the one guy found tzarnev in the boat. If that guy had been a sympathizer, he might never have been caught. Do you really think that there would be NO sympathizers? And it only takes a few in the right place.

So if you aren't guaranteed a win, you won't play? Failure is worse than oppression? That may be your choice, but it's not mine. "I know not what other men will do, but as for me- give me liberty or give me death." -Patrick Henry

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 12:17 | 4848827 XitSam
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WTF, dude.  I question the 3% "fact" that gets tossed around, mostly by the IIIpers, that that's all it will take. Which by the way, is an organized army of 10 million.  When the few hundred people on ZH hardly agree?

From my comment, that now seems only available in google's cache ...

The 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 is what is taught in schools now and is based on a mis-interpretion of a John Adams letter. Adams was actually referring to American support of the French Revolution. See The Amercian Revolution, 1775-1783 by John Alden, page 87.  In another letter, Adams estimated that the revolution was supported by two thirds of those taking sides.

My other comment

Please see Rothbard's history Conceived in Liberty for a good description of how support was divided in the Revolution. While your 200K number may be right for those that actually fought, there was widespread support for the Revolution throughout the colonies. Exceptions being Georgia which had a high percentage of Tory government functionaries, New York where conservative (Tory) oligarchs dominated and there were local areas of Tory support everywhere, even in Massachusets. 

There is not the same level of support this time. Right off the bat, 47 million would rather keep getting food stamps.

There were other advantages the American Revolution had, that will not be around this time.  

Please don't be so stupid that what you think I said in your mixed up little mind, is what I did say.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:08 | 4846959 AurorusBorealus
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Not sure that is so any more.  I don´t hear much support for Obama or this government from any Democrat, and 54% of the Republicans who voted in Virginia yesterday voted to throw out their own congressional leader in favor of a completely unknown free-market guy.  I do not believe for 1 second those "44% approve" numbers for the administration.  I think it is much closer to about 24%.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:18 | 4847351 samsara
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I tend to agree with you, I think Cantor was an example of the phase change/shift we are currently going thru.

One must constantly update his own premises. They might have changed recently and you never saw it.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 19:56 | 4846691 Bemused Observer
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Seriously, for real guys...we need to stop focusing on the specific colorful 'agendas' of these folks, and start asking ourselves WHY these incidents are on the rise?

We are arguing over the merits, or lack thereof, of each 'side', when the REAL problem is that too many are willing to take this very violent, deadly step.

Any psychologist would see an acute mental health crisis in someone who suddenly increased their violent responses...Societies are like people, they also react psychologically to stimulus, and can become insane.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:01 | 4846926 NidStyles
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6+ decades of warfare and war status spending. Nothing else needs to be said, this is what happens when an entire nation ends up with PTSD. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:19 | 4847004 Cloud9.5
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Normal people who are not on medication are stressed to the limit.  Sit down for a moment and have a conversation with a waitress or a plumber and you will find that they have serious concerns with where all this is going.  They get the deficit and they get the gas prices and they are worried.


As a result, it should be no surprise that the lunatic fringe is spinning out of control.  With a population of three hundred plus million, there is somebody out there that thinks drinking Draino is a good idea.


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:46 | 4847085 TeethVillage88s
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Big Problem:


1) Government Protects it's own ordinary actions to avoid explaining itself = This is Wrong
2) Government Protects Industrial Secrets of it's partners & Contractors, appears to make it difficult to track government spending, even though it publishes on the Federal Register or by the Federal Printing Office = This is Spin
3) Government Creates Many Reams of Classified Documents, Hides US History from Voters so it doesn't have to explain itself = This is Wrong, Especially when it is taking away Individual & Civil Rights or killing people, doesn't matter if it is in a foreign country
4) Yes, Covert Actions need to be practiced by our Military, and yes we are going to hurt people overseas sometimes = Probably we can hide those things, and gather intelligence on the ground like that

Propagating these secrets is the fascist tendency to partner with corporations and use proxies like corporations to hide what we are doing. Big Danger here where banking is concerned. We (US Citizens) Don't know what our big bankers, elites, and government have planned for us. They don't reveal their 25 year plans or their 5 year plans.

We have become a nation who government hides it's actions from the Citizens = This Damages Democracy.

Democracy = Free Speech, Free Internet, Free Press, Bill Of Rights, Self Employment, Large Degree of Small Businesses, these things allow us to post & record our opinions without fear of being fired from our work while holding a mountain of Debt... But also we need Whistle Blowers and Limits to Secrecy, Limits to Money in Government, Limits to Gifts given to our Politicians.

Democracy is a system of Systems. In the USA Money Speaks louder than anything else.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:00 | 4846702 IndyPat
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Hells yeah.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:03 | 4846719 sleigher
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Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:05 | 4846724 krispkritter
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It's probably going to be more than 3%, hopefully twice that, but at some point there will be a lot more rifles pointed at .Gov stooges than back at those standing in their way. I think there will also be a percentage of those stooges who realize that while they are pointing their .Gov issued M-16's at their countrymen, that they are completely exposed at home.  Not only will the thought of firing on law-abiding citizens bring hesitation, if they don't come home there will be no one left to watch over their families and I'm guessing .Gov is not going to provide much help as it's further dismantled. The fanatics on the .Gov side will disappear under a wave of revolutionary response and there will be both formidable armed presence and a political upheaval that will push the entitled DC class over the edge.  I don't suspect the likes of Pelosi would be able to safely retreat to her Progressive enclave in safety, not after riding on the backs of her poorer than ever constituency for so many years. And Kate Upton will bear my children and I'll live in the wonderment of her female assets until I pass from this Earth....zzzztttt...snort, huh? Where was I? ;)

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:09 | 4846740 bigrooster
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Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:11 | 4846745 Atomizer
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Opened up a old time capsule. Enjoy...



You Will NEVER Look At MONEY The Same AGAIN.


Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:11 | 4846746 localspaced
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If the socalled liberty movement wants to go anywhere it needs to stop using terminology like in the article above and calling everybody they don't agree with criminals, socialists or what not. Stop associating with nutcases like Alex Jones and stop framing everything in this warlike language.

If you really think Americans, or Europeans for that matter, are ready to snap you'll be sorely disappointed.

The real 'awaking' will come when you see how little actual malicious intent or (sucessful) conspiracy there is in the world and we somehow still manage to fuck things up this bad. And so how we all contribute to each other's oppression. Our institutions are merely a reflection of that. Changing the institutions isn't going to change that mechanism in our society.. That thought is way scarier than any conspiracy theory.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:24 | 4847210 TeethVillage88s
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Begs the Question what elements make up a country, how does a country come together.

First Simplicity in Rules, attempting to define the right way to do things. But you have A) Ideologues B) Those that seek money, power, or status by some advantage C) Some people are much better read or educated D) Some were gifted land or arrived with wealth of some kind.

How can you move toward forming a simple, smart Country?

Americans who were free to meet and speak and who had time learned from other men no doubt. There must have been a kind of honest goodwill among people willing to tell what they knew about the world and share news of events. I'll repeat that Secrets Damage Democracies.

Free Trade & Economics within the country have to be important to everyone, especially when so many are poor. But the use of Slavery for Labor had to be dealt with. Slavery is over 5000 years old and probably it continued in old practices, just as indentured servants & apprentices.

So Establish Freedom & Liberty, Set up Simple Laws, Use Free Speech & Discussion to arrive at consensus in a democratic way, Free Trade, Freedom of Religion, Right to Property, Separate Government from other institutions, be honest & open in all dealings, establish justice, set up voting systems, and determine what kind of money will be accepted in your town or city.

Today, you have a bunch of lawyers & politicians that think they can out smart you with complex laws, systems, that seem to grow in ways to tax you.

It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
James Madison


Simplicity must be restored. We have too many accountants & Lawyers. Streamline Taxes. Streamline Laws. Limit Secrets. Limit Government Powers at the Federal Level. Limit Money's Influence in Washington DC.

Reduce the Weight of the System of Systems.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:14 | 4846752 Alananda
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Among many other articles I found on the web (thanks mainly to Jeff Rense at the beginning!), Brandon Smith's essays published on sure helped me awaken from the deep slumber of American education, amusement parks, TV, and bad food.  His alt-market persona, however, has worried me.  Full disclosure:  I was once designated as a "national coordinator" by BS when I participated in his alt-market enterprise.  Since then, with a perspective greater distance offers, I have this thought that BS sounds a clarion call not unlike the Bolsheviks in Russia.  I deeply suspect his message.  Take up the sword, wield the sword, die by the sword.

Bol·she·vik (source

[bohl-shuh-vik, bol-; Russian buhl-shi-vyeek] Show IPA noun, plural Bol·she·viks, Bol·she·vik·i [bohl-shuh-vik-ee, -vee-kee; Russian buhl-shi-vyi-kyee] Show IPA .
1a member of the more radical majority of the Social Democratic Party, 1903–17, advocating immediate and forceful seizure of power by the proletariat.
1b (after 1918) a member of the Russian Communist Party. 2.(loosely) a member of any Communist party. 3. Disparaging. an extreme political radical; revolutionary or anarchist. Origin:
1915–20;  < Russian bol?shevík,  equivalent to ból?sh ( i? ) larger, greater (comparative of bol?shó?  large; compare bol?shinstvó  majority) + -evik,  variant of -ovik  noun suffix; cf. Menshevik

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:59 | 4846922 runningman18
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The average troll does what you just did - praises the author and then accuses him of being a plant or a provacateur at the end of the post.  I don't see any signs that Smith is encouraging Bolshevism.  He's suggesting that Americans are going to fight back in the form of a "second American Revolution".  What about individual liberty has anything to do with Bolshevism?  It sounds like you are trying to artificially connect any physical dissent with a symbol of negativity, much like the SPLC does. 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 02:30 | 4847600 Alananda
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Thank you, Runningman18 (6-11-14, 20:59), for your comment in response to my posting.

I wonder what data you have that supports your assertion that  the "average troll" does what you think I did: "praises the author and then accuses him of being a plant or a provacateur at the end of the post".  Let's see your basis of assertion!

I am either not your "average" troll; or not "average" at all; or not even a "troll".

I find your comment immensely amusing because I had a long running argument with BS on alt-market about trolls and his refusal to take that seriously -- one of the reasons that, when BS booted me off the site with not a word of warning, I had no hesitation going in peace.

If you know anything about Russian history -- you do not -- then you'd have the answer to your question, namely, What about individual liberty has anything to do with Bolshevism?

There's a man who wrote a book about 200 years together, and another book or two about a gulag.  Read up!  It's coming home to the country we once knew as America. Because people like you will not wake up.

GOD bless us, we shall need all the Grace the Divine can bestow to see us through the tribulations soon to come.

Just my opinion, of course!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 04:53 | 4847681 runningman18
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I've seen enough troll activity to know how trolls roll, buddy, and you sir, are a troll.  No eveidence to back your claims, only accusations and slander supported by tedious circular arguments.  I don't know if you actually know Smith or not, and I don't care.  What I do know, is that using the Bolshevist label against him without factual evidence to back it smells strongly of horse shit spewed by someone with an  agenda.  Again, I'll ask ya, what evidence do you have that Smith is promoting Bolshevism?  Put up or shut up.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:48 | 4847089 AurorusBorealus
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So... Alananda, as a government plant here, could you please answer a few questions for us.  1)  Is the latest strategy to paint everyone critical of American intervention in the Ukraine, Syria, and overseas generally as a Bolshevik?  2)  You appear quite worried about the impact of Russian internet news and its reception by conservative Americans.  Just how afraid are you and other government agents that many people in both the U.S. and Europe find RT to be a better, more accurate source of news than U.S. propaganda outlets such as CNN and MSNBC?


Lastly... ditch the whole "awaked from deep slumber of American education, amusement parks, TV, an bad food" line.  It is an obvious contrivance and dead give away.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 01:55 | 4847564 Alananda
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@AurorusBorealus 6-1-14 21:48

Well, sir, I think you'd flunk the Turing Test right off the bat.

Q1: No.

Q2 Not at all.

You seem totally clueless.  Surely, you are the plant courtesy of some agency .gov!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 04:55 | 4847682 runningman18
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That's rich.  People call the plant on his garbage and he calls them 'plants'.   Flip it and reverse it, just like a paid troll does...

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:18 | 4846769 TVP
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Kinda hard to win a revolution against an enemy that knows, tracks, and can even predict your every movement.  The NSA provides intelligence, while local police departments and DHS will use drones (equipped with infrared camperas, stun greandes, and tasers) to get a birds eye view of anything in real time.

I think your "logical odds" are very low, should things ever escalate to full-on warfare.  

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:28 | 4847029 lex parsimoniae
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There are at least 100 million (more likely twice that) guns in the hands of American Citizens. Isoroku Yamamoto said it over 70 years ago & the Feds know it to be true today. You cannot invade (start a shooting war with) the United Sates, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

"full-on warfare"..?  Americans win.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 23:44 | 4847372 20834A
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Bullshit. They are not all-knowing, all-seeing gods. They miss things all the freaking time, or there wouldn't be any of these mass shootings, Boston bombing, etc. Ask the Taliban. They seem to be doing just fine in Iraq and Afghanistan, with little resources and little education. You grossly underestimate the 3% who will fight. Many are training right now. Not just in firearms, but stratedgy, logistics, communication, etc. How many plane and helicopter pilots will be in the fight? How many engineers? Welders? Innovative thinkers? There is a wealth of talent among the people who don't sit on couches and watch Dancing With The Stars. Why do you think the gov is nervous enough to over-arm within the USA? It wouldn't be easy. The price paid by good people enormous. But the 'prize' ( which shouldn't even have to be fought for again) is golden.

The colonist's odds were poor coming to vast, unknown wilderness. But they took that chance to achieve a better life.  The revolutionarie's odds of beating the then-world superpower were poor. But they took the chance to ahieve freedom. Do you buy lotto tickets? What are the odds?

And what is your solution? To become small and compliant so as to escape the gov's notice? To live your life in a box?

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:20 | 4846775 BringOnTheAsteroid
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TPTB will be lucky if these types of incidents are restricted to mentally unstable perpetrators. A cool, calculating and well prepared individual using urban warfare tactics wouldn't just stop at two, they would slip away to re-emerge and strike again, and again, and again. When this is limited to just one or two or three activists TPTB may stand a chance but if that type of "revolution" took hold and became fifty, hundred, five hundred a thousand - it would be impossible to control. The power structure would be overwhelmed and the whole structure would quickly break down. At that point the horrible reality of civil war takes hold. 

It is such a crying shame that what was once a prosperous and free country built on the shoulders of great men and women has degenerated into a cesspool of greed, corruption and lust for control and power. Pays not to take anything for granted, that's for sure.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:24 | 4846788 alien-IQ
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What frightens me most about Brandon Smith's articles is how much I agree with them.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:26 | 4846795 yogibear
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Bring back the revelutionary method of prosecuting treason of the people. It's cheaper.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:27 | 4846801 JuliaS
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Every revolution happens with outside assitance - a wealthy investor uses the lower class to overthrow the leadership and put himself or his puppet in place. US and Britain have been sponsoring most if not all revolutions that took place in the last 70 years.

If we are to have a revolution, who'd put up the cash? Russia, China, Japan, Iran?

I've heard one Russian analyst talk about RT being a part of complex strategy undermining American stability. An information war appealing not necessarily to disgruntled Americans, but to swing demographics, such as the Spanish speaking population. You'll notice that RT is translated into Spanish, Arabic and languages of many other nations. We've cried wolf too many times with McCarthyism. Now when it's actually happening, it goes right over the head.

I'm not talking "communist threat". That's baloney, but the fact that our opposition is taking a step-by-step approach to make their lives easier. A previously non-existent information war, slowly entering our borders.

ZH has been accused of being a pro-Russian propaganda platform. That is also preposterous, but one thing is clear - US is falling apart from within. People are disillusioned to the point where they'd sing praise to Putin instead of Obama, or pick other currencies instead of the dollar. Whether from within, from the outside, or both, the country is rotting.

At some point, if it is believed a critical mass has been reached, people might pick up their guns and point them in the right direction. Then, as if by magic, money will start flowing in from off shore - from all the places nurturing their grudge.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 21:04 | 4846935 runningman18
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The American Revolution didn't start with outside assistance, it started with a bunch of farmers on Lexington Green.  And, America didn't get foreign assistance until it was clear that the revolution had the ability to win. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:16 | 4847185 JuliaS
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+1 for the rhyme.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 22:35 | 4847235 Government need...
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Russia wants a piece of the US Federal government.  More than 12 states have nullifcation legislation actively being discussed @ their statehouses, and at least 1 governor's '2013 State of the State' included language to the effect that the Federal government was hindering the state's citizens.  The Federal government is falling apart.  I think the winning hand is to reside in a state whose citizens have a strong desire to live in a constitutional republic without the tyranny.  Also, to be far enough down the target list so that the Fed implodes before they can drop 3 million semi-literates from Mexico.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 02:12 | 4847582 August
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>>> RT is translated into Spanish, Arabic and languages of many other nations.

I'm no RT authority, but I believe that RT is presented in only three non-Russian languages, which correspond to the large key populations that are "in play" in the world:  Arabic, Spanish and English.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:29 | 4846812 Buster Cherry
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I will always believe that these crazy events are either directly or indirectly staged by the US government in some shape form or fashion. Somehow the situations habe been enabled.

I just wonder how come it never is or rarely is an establishment target that ever gets whacked. Oooh wait, I guess those poor police officers were government employees, but again my mind thinks they were expendable pawns in the game of destroying Liberty.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:29 | 4846813 Buster Cherry
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I will always believe that these crazy events are either directly or indirectly staged by the US government in some shape form or fashion. Somehow the situations habe been enabled.

I just wonder how come it never is or rarely is an establishment target that ever gets whacked. Oooh wait, I guess those poor police officers were government employees, but again my mind thinks they were expendable pawns in the game of destroying Liberty.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:29 | 4846815 atthelake
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Perhaps a low-key, stealth approach would be best. 

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:29 | 4846818 Atomizer
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BTW, back from hospital this evening. Went from bronchitis to pneumonia. Still at 70% recovery. All is well.

Wed, 06/11/2014 - 20:45 | 4846871 Redneck Hippy
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"What frightens the establishment most, I think, is that the American people have become active participants in their own national environment once again."

What frightens me is a bunch of morons running around with AK47s and the idiots that advise the morons, telling them how they need to water the tree of liberty.

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