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America’s and the world’s appetite for drugs is insatiable. Billions upon billions of dollars have been spent on both the consumption of illicit drugs and fighting the war on drugs.

At first glance as an investor, you probably don’t think this affects you (that is, if you don’t use or sell drugs). But a closer look will reveal the enormous economic impact that the war on drugs has on America. Prepare yourself for some very alarming numbers.

Since 1971, the United States has spent $1,000,000,000,000 on the war on drugs. If you have a hard time reading that enormous number, it’s 1 TRILLION dollars! There are an estimated 500,000 inmates incarcerated for drug related charges. At an annual cost of $25,000 per inmate, that equates to $12.6 billion a year. America spends 58% less money to educate a child than it does to keep an inmate behind bars. The next generation (who will be future consumers) is suffering and is being heavily disadvantaged.

On the consumption side, the numbers are just as incredible. The estimated annual value of the cocaine market is $88 billion. For Heroine, it is $55 billion. The average cocaine addict will spend $25,000 per year to fuel their habit and the average heroine addict will spend $18,000.

These massive sums of money could be spent on much more productive things. The USA has been struggling financially for years now, to the point where a major city like Detroit had to declare bankruptcy. The enormous amount of money that is spent untaxed on drugs is mind boggling, and the large majority of it goes out of the country. Can you imagine if these wasted dollars could be used to fuel its growth or pay back its astronomical debt?

The first step of rehab is to admit there is a problem. Spending over a trillion dollars and incarcerating hundreds of thousands is definitely that. The next step is finding a way to solve it – we’re open to ideas.


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Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:10 | 4851212 max2205
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Hey what do you want, it's helping out the GDP....right?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:21 | 4851237 SHEEPFUKKER

I only bang hookers when I'm high....double GDP booster. 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:08 | 4851387 Pooper Popper
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Omar:Alright! Alright, big man? You wanna make some big bucks? Lets see how tough you are. Do you know something 'bout cocaine?

Tony Montana: You kidding me or what?


You know what capitalism is? Getting fucked!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:28 | 4851441 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Those are some crazy numbers, but he lost me in a couple places. I don't think there should be a department of education, or the fed govt in charge of 'educating' our kids. Or that the problem with all this is that it isn't taxed. This almost reads like a primer for when we join Europe and start counting this shit as part of our GDP. Also, the biggest reason all that shit is so expensive is that it's illegal. It's not that difficult to make, they make literally tons o it down there, it's just difficult to get it into the US, you you are paying a several hundred % markup on what it was cost just because its illegal. Looks at how much these guys are already losing just because marijuana is illegal in a few states. But we will keep fighting, and losing, this 'war' because its too profitable for certain highly places people and corporations to stop. And I hope the cartels send our elected officials some nice gifts around the holidays for keeping prohibition I place and making their businesses so profitable.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:56 | 4851501 Think Like A Crook
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Yes, this is stupid.

 "America spends 58% less money to educate a child than it does to keep an inmate behind bars"...what education?  You mean indoctrination, right? 

But it's for the they will grow up, follow orders and be good little debt slaves all the while fretting over their "credit score"

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:23 | 4851558 Ignatius
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The phony "War on Drugs" (and "terror") due to its outsized profits is funding our enslavement.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 06:43 | 4851895 negative rates
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Boy does education suck in this country, it's hideous, ridiculous, proposterous, monstrous, hilarious, and feeds off it's own greed.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 09:24 | 4852419 yellowsub
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Your use of "it's" vs "its" only proves that.

+1 for not spelling ridiculous as rediculous, also "redonkolous" would have been acceptable too.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:18 | 4851407 ZerOhead
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Only drugs can adequately explain Washington's policies in Iraq.

I mean how else can you explain that in Iraq... we find ourselves allied against our new allies in Syria with our old Iranian enemies?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:22 | 4851241 post turtle saver
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In GOD We Trust

(Gold Oil Drugs)

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4851275 Charles Nelson ...
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As a quick side story to how fucked up and corrupt the USA is. My wife's best friend has a younger sibling who is a veteran. He did two tours in Afghanistan. Nice guy, little slow, but knows how to fix everything under the sun.

Anyway he got a job working for J&J in Delaware. He works with dozens and dozens of other veterans who have been hired by J&J since their return home. Guess what they do. Work the line mixing the poppy seeds from the fields of Afghanistan into oxy's for the pharmaceutical companies. When he told me the story my jaw literally hit the floor.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:14 | 4851629 countupir
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Why so surprised?  Someone has to do it.  Equal work for equal pay.  Oh, you thought the CIA wouldn't let a big corp in on their cash crop?  Let me let you in on something that might equally shock you; the CIA doesn't pay taxes or bribe politicians, J&J does.  Now shoot politicians, ok this is something the CIA might end up doing from time to time.

Now what would be shocking is if J&J are the only pharm in town getting in on that sweet .GOV sanctioned action.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:23 | 4852048 General Decline
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The war in Afghanistan was never about terrorism.

Signed - Mr. Obvious

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4851411 rubiconsolutions
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There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution” -Aldous Huxley, 1961 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 02:13 | 4851711 The_Dude
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One's already here....Devil's Breath....scary shit...

Humankind will likely destroy itself ...just a question of how.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 05:15 | 4851846 TheAntiGov
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I noticed the pot price is tied to the oil price.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:10 | 4851213 Rootin' for Putin
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If the cartels insisted in being paid in Renminbi then Obummer would push the button under the desk to release the drones.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:10 | 4851214 IridiumRebel
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Decriminalize the shit...and I am a recovering addict. United States of Prison needs to chill.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:48 | 4851321 logicalman
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I'm a recovering nicotine addict.

Nasty drug, nicotine.

Tried most things, only N got me.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:35 | 4851579 IridiumRebel
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I've done everything but inject heroin which is prolly why I'm still alive....thank God I hate needles. Nicotine was as tough as any to quit.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:38 | 4854780 notquantumdum
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I never have and never will voluntarily use H, but once in a hospital, just before I went under for some surgery, I was able to experience fentanyl for about 2 minutes before I was unconscious (I asked the anesthesiologist to tell me what drugs he was administering before the surgery).

Shortly after he injected the fentanyl, I remember thinking, very distinctly, "Oh!  So THAT'S WHY people become addicted to heroin!"

It felt sort of like a slow motion, warm-all-over, constantly building but never really peaking, total body orgasm, for lack of a better way to describe it.  And, fentanyl is supposed to be less euphoric than heroin despite being may times more powerful by weight:

Trust me.  Don't ever try H or any of the other related opioids unless you want to have a very high probability of your personal survival rate dropping to zero.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 13:33 | 4858777 monkeyshine
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On a long enough time line, everyone's survival rate drops to zero...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:56 | 4851690 El Vaquero
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Yessir, nicotine is tough to kick.  I've been on e-cigs for quite a while.  I'm sure they're bad for me, but not nearly as bad as tobacco. 


OT:  I went into a local e-cig shop today and the owner was in there.  First time he had been there when I was.  He had a Springfield XD tactical chambered in .45ACPl on his hip.  I showed him that I was carrying an XD in 357 SIG, then told him that I like it when I walk in to a local shop and see the owner with a gun on his hip.  He told me that most of the other e-cig shops had been robbed before, but not his.  Oddly enough, neither of us shot each other and we didn't shoot any innocent bystanders either.  We talked and joked, and *ghasp* got along!  Our evil guns didn't have the effect of making us want to kill each other.  Imagine that.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:53 | 4851796 Abitdodgie
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Try to stop smoking meth thats hard.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 09:31 | 4852459 studfinder
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I've heard that about meth.  A cop told me its one of the worst drugs he's seen (when it comes to addiction). 


Haven't tried anything.  Pot,coke,heroin...  dark chocolate is my addiction ...and porno.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 09:19 | 4852387 NeedtoSecede
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El Vaq,

I wonder who gave you the red arrow, and why?  I see your experiences and your opinions in your post, but some miserable troll was "offended" enough to give you a down arrow. WTF?

+1 for Springfield XDs

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:00 | 4851755 OldPhart
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Fuck it. 

I'm sticking to my cigs and booze.  Never liked the taste of mary jane (tastes like smoking alfalfa, which I've also tried).  Other drugs had no interest for me... just not my thing, if it's yours have at it but do it without hurting anyone else.

We're all going to die anyway, pick your poison.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:11 | 4851215 Cognitive Dissonance
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"The estimated annual value of the cocaine market is $88 billion. For Heroine, it is $55 billion."

And all just to support the CIA's black budget income needs.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:21 | 4851239 FeralSerf
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I would have guessed that more than $55 billion was spent on them.

heroine [her-oh-in]
a woman of distinguished courage or ability, admired for her brave deeds and noble qualities.
the principal female character in a story, play, film, etc.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:14 | 4851217 ebworthen
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I smoked and snorted my share back in the day.

Damn Cocaine was too expensive, and enjoyable. 

Couple hours and you just wanted more, then more.

$20 of pot would last me weeks, and made me relaxed, hungry, and horny.  I drank less beer and booze, and stayed at home. 

Pot should be legal; it is not a "gateway" drug anymore than e-cigarettes are a "gateway" to smoking cigarettes.  Dumbest thing I ever heard.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:26 | 4851256 nmewn
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Oh, shit, drug stories ;-)

For myself, I didn't like coke, did it cuz everyone else did it. Good times till dawn but the hangover (combined with alcohol and everything else will make you talk to God the next I was always a downer guy. Ludes, seconal etc.

Pot should be decriminalized in my opinion, not legalized, so the state doesn't grow larger and other arms/branches because of the revenue...never a good thing if you think about it.

Also, if I would have never smoked pot I never would have met people who did heroin or coke or acid, there is some truth to the gateway thing.

Sayin, been there...pot by itself is nothing.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:50 | 4851325 logicalman
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Pot brought me into contact with psychedelics.

For me, that was a good thing.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:49 | 4851486 Cathartes Aura
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for some minds, plants hold much information.

particularly when approached with respect.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:19 | 4851550 prains
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really a couple well chilled Fat Tire IPA's and life is good. No lung rot, can still evade capture with some form of fitness......its' all about perspective.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 02:05 | 4851701 El Vaquero
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I'll give a qualified disagreement that pot is not a gateway drug.  The qualification?  You have to hang around with people who do/sell hader drugs in order to buy pot in many instances, and thus are more likely to be exposed to those drugs when purchasing/smoking pot.  On top of that, pot is considered to be pure fucking evil by government laws, and if you look at your average person that trusts (or did trust) the government, and that government treats cocaine less severely than pot (cocaine has been deemed to have legatimite medical uses, pot has not, according to fed gov,) how bad can the other drugs be, in the eyes of your average person? In other words, it is the prohibition of pot that makes it more likely that somebody who smokes a lot of it will have opportunities and temptations to try drugs that actually are worse for them. 


But yeah, if people were allowed to grow a few plants in their back yard and smoke out, I think they'd ask for the chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream rather than the heroine or meth. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:09 | 4851768 OldPhart
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Drug dealer two doors down has been in the neighborhood for 12 years.

Sells weed, whole neighborhood knows.  No one on this street has ratted him out.

Though a couple of weeks ago I had six sheriff's cruisers in my yard and driveway when they came to my house to bust him.  Luckily for us all, they realized they had the wrong house before they kicked in the door.

And where I sit I have a .45 with 7 full magazines with frangible shells, a loaded 12 gauge, and a .357 with eight speed-loaders...kicking in my door would have killed at least three officers and myself, possibly my wife also.

Apparently one of his customers didn't like the asking price and turned him in (whatever happened to haggling?)


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:36 | 4851583 you enjoy myself
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the "gateway" argument has always been absurd.  i always counter that its like arguing that HS football is a "gateway" to the NFL.  of course a hardcore heroin junkie has almost certainly smoked pot earlier in life.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:14 | 4851630 ebworthen
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Agree.  They probably had unprotected non-monogamous sex and ate some fatty foods along the way too.  ;-)

I can't abide fallacious correlations.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:46 | 4851676 Chuck Walla
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I have to disagree on the gateway drug thing. Every dead junkie I ever knew started that way. Nobody just jumps to junk, not even the girl friend witnout a few tokes. My pal I got hep c from blew his head off just 2 years back. Dead at 58, the pain just hurt so bad. I just got my HCV cured, now it's just cirrhosis to manage. Everybody else is dead or soon will be. No, it's gateway alright. Everything I've seen tells me so.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:58 | 4851695 mt paul
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milk is a gate way liquid

every alcoholic started at moms breast

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:13 | 4851220 nmewn
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Statist=Tax it! Capitalist=Trade it! Keynesian=Consume It!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:15 | 4851223 q99x2
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Caught this article just as I'm headed out the door to AA. The q99x2...we don't drink alcohol. I never told them at the meetings that I'm from another planet. I think they've figured it out though. Anyhow, Like putin said about the nuclear shield being not for protection from Iran, The Bankers troops aren't in Afghanistan to protect anything except Kerry's and the Queen's poppy fields. Mercenaries are they.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:17 | 4851226 FeralSerf
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The Constitution did NOT give the federal government the power to criminalize drug sale or consumption.

See the 10th Amendment.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:10 | 4851390 cynicalskeptic
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The Constitution also did NOT give the Federal Government the power to ........ fill in the innumerable blanks.  

Keep in mind that ALL powers not specifically given to the Federal Government were reserved for STATES.   bwahaaaaaaaaaaa........

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:11 | 4854472 FeralSerf
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Not ALL powers:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:53 | 4851496 Cathartes Aura
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corporations exist for profits.

there is much profiteering in criminalizing things, and policing cultures tends to increase over time, as new laws are added.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:47 | 4851792 Ghordius
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not only corporations have to profit. intelligence agencies also feel the urge to make a buck, from time to time, mostly so that they can fund their blackest ops

see Afghanistan's poppy fields

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:08 | 4854454 FeralSerf
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They don't call the CIA "The Company" for nothing.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:05 | 4854659 Cathartes Aura
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"intelligence agencies" are part of a larger criminal enForce, and making "a buck" via providing the "illegal substances" assists the for-profit prison systems, helps the argument to over-arm the local police-drones with "old" MIC leftover manufactured weaponry, not to mention giving volunteer uniformed soldiers something to do when spending a decade in

afghanistan's poppy fields.

it's all part of their system, none of this is compart-mentalised, if one truly opens the mind.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:19 | 4851232 Think Like A Crook
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The government always wants to tax the shit out of you and throw money at the perceived problem, without ever asking, why in the hell do people feel the need to escape so bad anyway?

We all know it's big business and about control.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:29 | 4851240 Sathington Willougby
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It's self evident Amercuh is on drugs, they seem to really believe there's two parties.

They also bleeve our troops protect freedom.

They bleeve votes count.

They bleeve "scientific opinion" climate change threatens all.

The bleeve peak oil.

They bleeve overpopulation.

They bleeve wampum.

They bleeve all sorts of nonsense disseminated from a criminal cartel. 

Things they don't believe:

The golden rule.

Mind your own damn business.

Don't steal.

Don't kill.

Don't lie.

Don't spy.


My cuntry tis of thee.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:53 | 4851332 logicalman
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I disagree with you on some of this.

Golden rule - I'm with you.


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:22 | 4851242 pods
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This is exactly what happens when a society sees fit to regulate what is put into one's body.

The standard response is that the cost to society is too great to take that chance.  

Always about the collective.

You almost cannot have an actual discussion about these types of topics as the vast majority cannot think on an individual level, only the collective.

So the war rages on.  People are harmed because humans like to escape pain and shed reality for a while.  And we get the bonus of empowering this leviathan to stop what cannot be stopped, enriching itself with power on the journey.


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:24 | 4851245 WMM II
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"But a closer look will reveal the enormous economic impact that the war on drugs has on America. Prepare yourself for some very alarming numbers."


i'm gonna be rite back....this lighter's out...



Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:28 | 4851248 One And Only
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You don't think the war on drugs impacts my investment descisions?

Why do you think I own stock in HSBC?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:25 | 4851251 Charles Nelson ...
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Shockingly, I just never really enjoyed drugs. Pot... Ok, but in my late 30's not terribly interested. Would rather drink a couple good IPAs and watch the sunset from my back deck. Coke.... Great stuff, but in doses. Hallucinations... Fuck that shit.

War on drugs... What a waste.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:38 | 4851286 Think Like A Crook
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You got that right about a waste.  Maybe the biggest ever.  Still remember Nancy Reagan and fukkin lemon head boxes made by Ferrera Pan with the note, "Say No To Drugs" on the inside flap...but make sure you eat more of our sugary shit, get to be a fat fawk diabetic.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:30 | 4851261 Seasmoke
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Coke. Just to dip my dick in. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 06:46 | 4851900 negative rates
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Hurts my tits after I drink too much.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:30 | 4851262 Rusty Shorts
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 3 currencies. Gold, Oil, Drugs

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4851289 Oldwood
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Drugs will always be a good seller in a society that craves delusion as an alternative to reality. I can't imagine a more deluded society than the one I currently live within.

Turn on and tune out. Fixes everything.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:00 | 4851359 logicalman
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The term 'drugs' covers a wide range of very different substances, with very different effects.

Your brush is too broad.

The biggest dealers in the 'fixes everything dept' are big pharma, but that's OK because the government gets kick-backs. Same goes for the illegal kind, but there's way more money in pharma than the cartels could even dream of.


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:33 | 4851454 Oldwood
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The only distinction is who profits.

Look at the gun violence and you see more drug collateral damage, but there is always profit in all forms of delusion.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:39 | 4851291 Rusty Shorts
Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:43 | 4851305 Think Like A Crook
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Speaking of Drugs and Delusions.  Is there anything more delusional than TEEVEE?  Maybe we should have a WAR on TEEVEE!  It's for the kids....

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:53 | 4851493 Oldwood
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Drugs, TV, booze, video games, sports, the list is endless. Delusion and distraction from a world that for many is far less brutal than has ever existed. War and murder are just the most obvious demonstration of our self destructive nature. To deny reality, to divorce ourselves from our rational mind, is ultimately suicide. Now I'm not telling anyone not to suicide, but there is no good way to deny it either. Its just bizarre to watch it happening en masse.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:12 | 4851527 Think Like A Crook
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I know.  Luckily, I still have my 92 year old grandmother around to talk with.  She is still sharp at 92.  She has seen many things in her life.  Worked fields as a kid.  No electricity, running water.  Lived through great depression but as she stated "what depression."  World War II.  Building a life after that.  Interesting is that she is still a bit more optimistic than I am thought she knows she is coming near the end, so she may not have to endure what is coming.  I'd really like for someone to explain to me just how it's going to improve?  I can't see it.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:56 | 4851328 Elvis is Alive
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The number of deaths due to drugs this article references is an unmitigated lie put out by the CDC and DEA. In the medical literature, there are three deaths due to Xanax (alprazolam), and all were suicides, but the CDC claims thousands die from Xanax every year. And in an ode to producing numbers that would make Bernie Madoff proud, the number of Xanax deaths goes up each year. Where does the CDC get their numbers from? They won't tell us. To me, the answer is clear. Anyone taking or alleged to have been taken Xanax who dies is chalked up as a Xanax related death. The real issue is why the CDC and DEA are lying about the number of deaths.

The answer lies in their history. In 1987, the CDC put out "education material" stating that a million Americans had AIDS. They also got a good looking white girl to say, "If I can get AIDS, anyone can". It turned out she was an IV drug addict. Then there was the white boy, a preacher's son saying the same thing. It turned out he was gay. The CDC's "AIDS education" funding goes up five fold from $100 million to $500 million per year, and in 1996, the CDC says, "Hey, our AIDS estimates were off by half a million or so. There are only 500,000 Americans with AIDS not one million." As GWB would say then of the CDC, "Mission accomplished."

So it is the same thing here. Exaggerating the threat, create fear, then claim the only answer to the threat is for the government to have more power and money. Rinse. Wash. Repeat. There is a word for using fear to influence policy, and that word is terrorism.

The whole war on drugs has to be looked at in proper context. Are physically and mentally messed up people taking drugs, or do drugs really mess otherwise normal, productive people up? I think there is a whole lot more of the former than the latter.

Nobody blames food for fat people, but people blame drugs for drug addicts. Why? Because food has value and drugs don't? The problem with that line is that drugs do have value. Heroin is converted into morphine, and morphine is a well known pain killer. How many heroin users then are just people looking to get high versus people with chronic pain? Studies show that people using heroin for pain and pain alone is 85%.

When people addicted to heroin in other countries were put in HAT (heroin assistance treatement), heroin overdoses went down, crime rates went down, and overall usage went down. Heroin use was not looked at as cool by young people but something losers did. But we can't have that here. Such a policy would require the ultimate sacrifice: fewer government jobs. The war on drugs is really a war on freedom.



Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:00 | 4851510 Oldwood
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I don't support most drug laws but I do find it interesting how many people defend drug use. Humans have a problem with addictions...of all kinds. Intelligence would tell us to avoid potentially destructive circumstances, but just call me a joykill. I'm sure alcohol and drug related deaths are purely anomolies like lung cancer from smoking.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:52 | 4851601 you enjoy myself
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well, i have a problem that you used the phrase "drug use" but then go on to describe drug abuse.  someone who periodically enjoys wine would never be automatically branded an alcoholic.  but yet with all drugs not named alcohol there's a presumed binary state - either its complete abstinence or you're a raging addict.  

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:48 | 4851975 Oldwood
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That's why I don't support laws banning their use. I'm simply suggesting we are responsible for our own actions and a good core intelligence should guide us to some sense of moderation. We all need some escape and especially some relaxation. The trick is knowing the difference from enjoying life and destroying life. It seems that some arguments are more about justification of destructive behavior as "freedom" (which I support) and not about what it is. If we are going to be free, we should enjoy the consequences as well as the benefits.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:53 | 4851983 FredFlintstone
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Agree and what better way to teach youth some self control than for them to see the destructiveness of certain behaviors first hand.

"Mom, why don't we see uncle Joe anymore?".

"Well, he uses heroin and fucked up his life son."

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:06 | 4851763 Adahy
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The Xanax numbers are mostly due to severe seizures and the fatal complications that often arise from those.  Sure, the actual seizure doesn't kill them.  Secondary infections, etc. finish them off, but none of it would've happened if not for the initial seizure.  I've seen it a LOT lately.  Mostly from people who had recently run out of their Xanax for whatever reason, or had decided to quit cold-turkey.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:41 | 4851788 OldPhart
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I don't know what Xanax is supposed to do but I'll leave my prescribed drug horror story.

As I got older I would get like a grey fog over my eyes.  Kind of scarey when your driving.  I could see, but it was like looking through fog.

Went through the insurance hurdles and was referred to some Doctor I never heard of with a hindu name.  Get to his office and he's got all this medical ethicist shit everywhere, he's 'certified medical ethicist' member of national what the shit....the office is loaded with it.

I go in and he's got all this electronic shit he's using as I explain what my problem is.  He bangs away at his ipad and start cussing, then tosses it to the corner where it breaks.  He yells out the door for someone to bring him a pad of paper and a pencil.

By this time, I'm pretty much done explaining the problem.

He tells me I'm depressed.

Well, let's see....I think...I lost a job making $80k a year and am now working for peanuts at a CPA firm run by women and I'm the only male trying to get my CPA license and so far there have been no audits by the firm where I can qualify my 500 hours.  Yeah, maybe I AM depressed.

He prescribes a pill, forget the name it's been over ten years ago, and I start taking it once a day.  I don't notice any effect.  Eyes still fog over, still not too happy about my situation but plugging along...until I ran out.

One day, no big deal, I'd get some later.

Two hours later I'm doing some minor write-up work and the letters on the keyboard kept changing position.  I called my wife and said I wasn't right, she needed to come get me.  I told the office girl that I was having a reaction to medication and went up to sit and wait for my wife in the lobby.

Next thing I knew I was at home on my computer.  I was playing some CD gambling poker game and I had about $4 million in fake winnings.  I went through the game and wasfake wealthy beyond belief in blackjack, slots, baccarat (whatever that is), craps (which I still don't know how to play), the marble game...I was a gambling genious!

Got up and went into the living room and was surprised to see my evil step-mother sitting there with my wife (they don't get along).  It was the end of ESM's shift watching me.  I'd been out of it for three weeks.  According to them I went basically autistic.  Wife had looked up the pill that was prescribed and the effects of using it and then going off included suicide, irrational anger, deep depression, death, and my favorite, euphoria.  Freaked her the fuck out, set up baby-sitters for me after the first day.

I don't do drugs.  Aspirins damn near knock me out. 

But now I'm old and have BP med and cholesteral med, and wife wants me to take a fistful of vitamins everyday, and once in a while a Cialis or I take my pills like a good little old man.  They don't seem to have the same effect if I miss them, other than my ears tend to ring after a couple days.



Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:53 | 4851330 Spastica Rex
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Steep cost = Steep PROFIT

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:55 | 4851685 Radical Marijuana
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Precisely, and so, deliberately designed to do that:

The FKN Newz on DRUGS
Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:57 | 4851349 Dragon HAwk
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The Older you get  the more people you see who have screwed up their Lives with Drug Use.. the easier it is to say don't go there..

  as a society our Job is to make sure our Young People see the Wasted Ones in Time..

 our second  Job is to find out what to do with the Addicts, that no longer have a life...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:22 | 4851428 bbq on whitehou...
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And what pray tell is life when you are living in a toxic soup causeing genetic damage you any offspring you might have.
We are dead, twisted and broken. Screwed up? what isn't. Oh a dream.
This is not a environment that will ever emprove. Japan has seen to that.
There is a dark age coming that will set humans back to zero and there humans will stay.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:07 | 4851519 Oldwood
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You know why it will never improve? Because we won't improve it. We love wallowing in the futility of it all. Any excuse to imbibe self destructive if not outright destructive thoughts. Lots of it here on ZH, begging and hoping for the end, the great collapse, armegeddon. I find myself there quite often as well. It seems very human, as it is to exploit those same feelings. Peoples...what are you going to do?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:00 | 4851358 Nue
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The reason the State resists the legalization of drugs is because the Government gains more money off Illegal drugs than it would if they were legal and taxed as high as 200% of value.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:00 | 4851360 Dre4dwolf
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If life wasn't about chasing debt paper, im sure we would need less drugs ;)

People have been turned into robots.

Drugs are the only way they can feel human again and continue to function.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:31 | 4851450 MansaMusa
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Drugs are part of life. Alcohol is a drug too,l you know.  Duh...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:00 | 4851363 AdvancingTime
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In the last decade, due almost solely to the surge in drug-related arrests, U.S. prisons are massively overcrowded and underfunded.  The rehabilitation aspect of incarceration is slim to nil.  Marijuana constitutes almost half of all drug arrests, and between 1990–2002, marijuana accounted for 82% of the increase in the number of drug arrests.

In 2004, approximately 12.7% of state prisoners and 12.4% of Federal prisoners were serving time for a marijuana-related offense. Today more than ever, the fear that President Carter voiced in 1977 that penalties for drugs are doing more damage than drugs themselves rings true. More on the cost of our war on durgs in the article below.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:36 | 4851463 Crawdaddy
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Money machine. Judges and prosecutors paid to maintain prison populations. Who benefits? The criminal enterprise of the world but on a local basis. The NWO local minions. Just another aspect of the NWO assclowns that are attacking the world, hiding behind laws they made up in order to abuse us.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:23 | 4851650 you enjoy myself
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forget about the meta arguments against the war on drugs (money, destroying 4th & 10th amendments, increased violence, etc) and look at it from an individual's perpespective.  what's the ratio of a perp's life being destroyed by going to jail/having a record versus being bettered by scaring him away from smoking another joint?  1000:1, if not higher?   the human carnage caused by incarcerating pot smokers is enormous.

the best way to end this insanity is to make it a tragedy that hits close to the home of our fearless leaders - instead of locking up brown, black, inner city, low income offenders, sic the DEA and NSA on colleges with tuition >= $30K.  done right, you could realistically turn 5% of the campus on any given friday or saturday night into felons.  if i were President Paul, on Jan 20th 2017 i'd raid Georgetown and George Washington (and probably Sidwell Friends) and see how mommy and daddy like those laws now.


Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:07 | 4851378 Rusty Shorts
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The element, "COCAINUM", atomic weight 007,  - Periodic Table of Elements

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:15 | 4851414 telefunken
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a lot of those kids comming into the country are drug mulls-cities this summer will be flooded with junk. It's like reading Burroughs at a taco bell....

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:29 | 4851442 MansaMusa
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Wait until the dollar collapses...

Going long marijuana kush bitchezzz!  The depression will be profitable

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:40 | 4851471 Rusty Shorts
Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:42 | 4851475 TabakLover
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For profit prisions = need for billable inmates.  Need for billable inmates = drug war.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:43 | 4851478 Omegaman2211
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Legalize them all.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 00:04 | 4851512 Spungo
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Mr T's advice about drugs

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:43 | 4851672 californiagirl
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Politicians always name their initiatives the opposite of what they actually are. It has nothing to do with stopping drugs and drug abuse. The U.S. government is probably the biggest illicit drug dealer in the world.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 02:35 | 4851734 Setarcos
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Woza problem?  How else would the CIA fund black ops?  How else would the BoA and the rest cover the black hole of derivatives if not for laundering drug money?  How else to stay in Afghanistan, if not to protect the poppy crop?  How could privatiized prisons make a profit from slave labor, if not for jailing end-users of the MIC/CIA/Wall Str scam of "the war on drugs", or "terrorism" for instance.

No prob.  Move on.  The 0.01% who really run the show are doing fine, in case you had not noticed.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:14 | 4851771 Space Animatoltipap
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Drugs are there for losers. Scientifically orientated God conscious people don't need drugs. Hare Krishna!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 04:02 | 4851775 Radical Marijuana
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The illegal drug businesses in the USA, and around the world, fit into the overall patterns of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits. The pyramidion people at the top of the social pyramid systems deliberately design everything to make those social pyramid systems get bigger and steeper.

To understand the "war on drugs" (which is primarily the war against marijuana) one has to have a better understanding of war in general. The oldest book on The Art of War starts by saying "success in war is based on deceit," and ends by saying "spies are the most important soldiers." Of course, those general principles apply to the war on drugs too, but in ways that go quite over the top, since none of that would be necessary at all, other than to enable the basic goals of making more money, while having excuses to build a fascist police state. FOLLOW THE MONEY TO ITS SOURCE. The banksters' benefit the most, all the way around, from the drug wars, which were the reasons why the political puppets controlled by the banksters and their buddies have been promoting the "war on drugs." After all, the $1 trillion since 1971 should ring a bell that 1971 was when the American "money" became completely made out of nothing as debts. The drug wars, like all other wars, are "paid" for by "money" made out of nothing, backed by nothing, but the vicious spirals of legalized violence. As has been correctly pointed out by others, for quite a while "all wars have been banksters' wars," and that included the war on (some) drugs.

I have the same points to make regarding all of the various ways civilization is currently based on systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits. The chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life have been resolved by sets of expedient solutions through the history of warfare, which death controls were then the foundation for the debt controls, both of which have developed through history to be operated via the maximum possible deceits and frauds. Governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, which deliberately drive the fractal reproduction of organized crime on all other levels of society, which then loops back to benefit the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals, by maintaining the social pyramid systems, while channeling more profits and power up to the pyramidion people at the top of those social pyramid systems.

None of the statistics presented in the summarizing chart in this article happened by accident. People who think that the "war on drugs" was a "failure" tend to be mainstream morons, who do not understand the realities of the social pyramid systems, and do not want to understand. My view is that one should attempt to address the basic issues regarding why death controls must necessarily exist, and are central to all other social controls. That is why warfare developed as the oldest social science. That is why the history of war was what made governments. Furthermore, the same methods of organized crime that was warfare on a larger scale also applied through the political processes, in order that the pyramidion people could control others.

The problem with superficially understanding that the war on drugs was merely another war based on deceits, which served the interests of the debt slavery systems, is that does not go further, into the questions of how to develop better death controls, to back up better debt controls. At the present time, the political "debates" about the drug wars tend to be totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, which includes the ways that those who say that they are against the drug wars, and want to end those drug wars, tend to always be reactionary revolutionaries, or simply another of the varieties of controlled opposition groups, who continue to operate within the same bullshit frame of reference as was originally promoted by the pyramidion people, i.e., false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals.

Since impossible ideals always make the opposite happen in the real world, the war on drugs, and the efforts to end the war on drugs, both tend to backfire badly. The deeper issues are that one should understand how and why governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the currently best organized gang of criminals, the banksters. It is not an accident, nor any kind of mistake, that the war on drugs constantly makes more money for the biggest banks, while constantly subsidizing the growth of the fascist police state, that advances the overall agenda of the fascist plutocracy that the banksters made and maintained.

After one stops using false fundamental dichotomies which regard the issues as being government versus organized crime, but instead recognizes that government is organized crime, controlled by the best organized criminals, then one begins to approach the war on drugs in a more useful way. However, when one pursues that line of analysis through to its logical conclusions, then the resolutions of those problems requires that there develop better organized crime, which enables better death controls to back up better debt controls.

People who skim across the surface of the apparent social disaster of the war on drugs, and then recommend that war should be ended, tend to understand nothing deeply enough to propose any genuinely better solutions. They are similar to all the other goofballs who recommend that there should be peace, instead of war, through the usual sets of false fundamental dichotomies, and related impossible ideals, that always continue to actually cause the opposite in the real world. The reactionary revolutionaries who recommend ending the war on drugs tend to NOT understand that the war on drugs now fits into the same pattern as the general systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, which were basic to everything else throughout the social structure. As the debt slavery systems have been generating numbers which have become debt insanities, and the wars based on deceits have been driving more and more runaway manifestations of death insanities, the war on drugs is merely another facet of those processes, which, overall, are relatively trivial now, although they were relatively more important for several decades in the past.

A deeper understanding of the war on drugs is necessary to transform that war into something better. That is a facet of the overall issue of how to transform warfare in general, or how could human beings develop better death controlling murder systems, in order to back up better debt controlling money systems. However, at present, the vast majority of people continue to take for granted operating within the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, and that especially includes the controlled opposition groups who claim that they are against the war on drugs, and want to end that war.

I maintain that we should go through a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, which would then apply to politics in general, and therefore, the military and monetary systems in particular. Furthermore, that is the proper overall context in which to better understand the realities regarding the so-called war on drugs, and therefore, how to transform all of those kinds of warfare to become something radically different. To understand the war on drugs better, and therefore, perhaps resolve those problems better, one must understand how and why governments are biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Furthermore, that better understanding should not betray itself by then proposing bogus "solutions" to those problems based on assertions that we could or should stop governments from being the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals.

I have no respect for the reactionary revolutionaries who do not want understand the deeper reasons how and why the war on drugs was made and maintained, and nor do I respect those who base their views about ending the war on drugs on those same sets of mistakenly shallow misunderstandings of what was really going on, namely that the war on drugs was merely another facet of the overall debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, social pyramid systems. Better resolutions to the problem of the war on drugs depends upon better resolutions of the deeper issues of the military and monetary systems. Money itself is necessarily based on measurement backed by murder, as the most abstract of all those sorts of phenomena, and therefore, money itself is the most abstract of all the other ways that we are living inside a Bizarro Mirror World Fun House, where everything appears in proportionately backwards and distorted ways.

Anyone who was able and willing to understand the drug wars better should not make shallow speeches about "stopping the drug war." War in general, and the drug wars in particular, were ways that the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life ended up becoming expressed, and resolved through expedient sets of solutions, which are all suffering from the same basic paradoxes of progress in science and technology making them become more and more insane, and thus, more and more headed towards social storms and psychotic breakdowns, due the basic problems that almost everything that the government is doing has become based on legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, in which context the drug wars were one of the phases in the development of those systems.

Since it is the multifaceted progress in science and technology which is pumping up the social pyramid systems by orders of magnitude, the correct sources of genuine solutions are to be found in paradigm shifts in basic sciences. The overall problems which the runaway dysfunction insanities of the drug wars are manifesting are interconnected. More and more we are living in a technologically based civilization, for which nothing is more important than the philosophy of science. Nowhere else is that more significant than in the area of warfare, and the ideology of the murder system, militarism. The path towards better resolutions of the drug war problems must necessarily go through better resolutions of the problems of warfare in general. There are combined money/murder systems, which were like chipper machines that some of the various drugs were thrown into, with hemp plants being first and foremost things which were thrown into the money/murder machines.

The drug wars were some of the manifestations of the general pattern of the socio/political money/murder machines. Hence, the understanding of those traces the same patterns as elsewhere. The majority of people still tend to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit about the war on drugs. A significant minority are beginning to understand that the war on drugs was based on deceits, as an example of the general pattern of the wars based on deceits through the entire social pyramid systems' debt slavery. That significant minority is beginning to realize that just as the debt slavery is headed towards debt insanities, the war on drugs is one of the facets of that process. However, that significant minority still tends to be predominantly reactionary revolutionaries, who continue to take mostly for granted the rest of the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, and therefore, then to propose that the war on drugs should be ended, in ways which ridiculous, because they are guaranteed to continue to backfire badly!

The drug wars were developed as components of the overall social and political systems. They could theoretically be transformed, but the ideas regarding how to transform the drug wars should be seen as components of interconnected transformations of the overall money/murder systems as a whole. Since the war on drugs was mostly the war on marijuana, "legalizing marijuana" in ways that are not based upon understanding warfare in general better are the wrong ideas, which are sure to not work, because nothing else is done to change the basic money/murder systems that marijuana was deliberately thrown into in the first place.

There is no reasonable doubt that the war against illegal drugs is one of the things that is killing the American democratic republic, and killing the country's rule of law, the same as those systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, are killing the so-called democratic systems, and the rule of law, in other countries in a similar way. However, so far, the people who assert that they are against the war on drugs are controlled opposition, reactionary revolutionaries, or mainstream morons, who have superficially woken up to some of the levels of the biggest bullies' bullshit, but are yet sleepwalkers, or Zombie Sheeple, when it comes to still believing in other levels of the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories.

Indeed, the biggest bullies bullshit world view does not merely dominate things like marijuana, inside of the money/murder systems, it also dominates the philosophy of science too. That is why America, and the rest of the world, needs intellectual scientific revolutions with respect to the drug wars, so that the nature of warfare itself is better understood. So far, most of the controlled opposition against the war on drugs recommends that we should have drug policies which are more evidence based or scientific. However, those people tend to never apply that to understanding government itself. There can be no better resolutions of the runaway drug war insanities without better recognition that the government is necessarily the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals. That is what is actually necessary in order for the drug laws to become better based upon rational evidence and logical arguments.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 04:04 | 4851806 Ghordius
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I think you are running off on the wrong horse there

hemp vs cotton was the true starter of this war on the economic front, and later first Morphium and then heroin made the still current public stance so hard on drugs in general

meanwhile, please remember that it was the US that experimented with banning alcohol with a constitutional amendment

imho you can't understand the long history of the "wars on drugs" without understanding that alcohol used to be seen as a drug, too. the worst of them

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 05:24 | 4851839 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, Ghordius, the beginning of the international pressures to outlaw cannabis cultivation appears to have started with the Egyptian cotton industry back in 1898.

Of course, if one looks deeper into the alcohol prohibition in the USA, one will see the banksters' hand in that, such as their foundations giving the women's temperance movements millions of dollars, which would be worth something like a 100 million today. Furthermore, mostly the politicians were the banksters' puppets, and so, drinking men agreed to enact alcohol prohibition. Of course, that happened at a time back when alcohol could have been a competitor to the oil industry.

In general, the industrial revolution did NOT develop in an overall objectively rational way, but rather, in ways whereby various special interests were able to put their competition out of business, by corrupting governments. The social debt engines and physical steam engines both started at about the same time, and worked together, as those developed to become globalized electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs.

The basic problems with prohibitions is that they are guaranteed to backfire badly, so much so that they look covertly designed to do that. My opinion is that people should have learned to live with abundance, rather than be forced to learn to live with artificial scarcity. Of course, that ideal is way too late now to be implemented without the baggage of history piled on top of it.

The idea of "ending the Fed" is similar to the issue of "ending the drug wars." After more than a Century of the Federal Reserve Board enabling a tiny minority to rob the majority, it is not good enough now to simply say stop them robbing more, since they have already robbed almost everything worth robbing, throughout a Century of financial frauds. Similarly, decade after decade of insane drug wars, and all their consequences, have resulted in everything being extremely distorted. Ideally, there should have been good informed consent, and people learning to live with abundance. However, instead, the basic chemical at the foundation of all organic chemistry, i.e., ethanol, and the single best plant for people, hemp, were both criminalized in completely crazy ways, primarily due to how the funding of the political processes could achieve that kind of corruption.

My overall view is that just as the Money As Debt system has become an almost totally metastasized social cancer, which has resulted in society becoming terminally sick and insane, so too, the war on drugs has become so bad, for so long, that there are no good ways to end it. Therefore, pot prohibition is going through psychotic breakdowns, while alcohol prohibition has had its goofy pendulum already swing towards were now the government is ridiculously subsidizing ethanol production that it once criminalized.

By and large, my current opinions regarding all these topics is that civilization is now too completely crazy to be able to recover from how crazy it has already become. The government is almost totally based on legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, to a degree which appears beyond repair. Those problems are particularly impossible to fix because regarding every possible topic one examines one will discover over and over again that the ruling classes are backing up lies with violence, in order to benefit their own short-term interests, while the vast majority of people that are being ruled over have hopelessly become Zombie Sheeple, or political idiots, that do not understand anything, because they have been successfully conditioned to not want to understand.

After the real world has already been controlled by lies backed by violence so much, for so long, as far as I can tell, whatever we try to do now is way too little, too late, and will be too trivial to matter much. That is the way I currently feel about the "legalization of marijuana." That is NOT happening due to any breakthroughs of more Hemp Truth, but rather, is happening due to compromises with the same old lies, such as those factors were illustrated in the info-graphic featured in this article.

Marijuana is being "legalized" in the worst possible ways, which is not surprising since that is being done without more radical hemp truth being the guiding factor. Instead, marijuana is being "legalized" back into the same old monetary and taxation systems that made cannabis become criminalized in the first place. Marijuana politics is merely another microcosm of the rest of politics. The assholes with the most money are dominating the "marijuana legalization movements," and that is steering those movements towards various kinds of dead ends, whereby the benefits are flowing to those assholes with the most money, while nothing else better is happening instead.

Meanwhile, when one steps back and looks at the bigger picture of money made out of nothing to pay for strip-mining the planet's natural resources, to enable exponential growth, headed towards overshooting so badly that there will then be collapses into chaos, it seems clear to me that we are running out of time. The overall systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, which are controlling what civilization has been doing, are now way too far gone to be significantly ameliorated by superficial ways that "end the drug wars."

I like to day dream that we may go through sufficient paradigm shifts. However, usually those take generations to be accomplished, while I feel that we are running out of time ... So far, I see not much indication of anything significantly getting better, while overwhelming evidence of things getting way worse, faster. Like I wrote in my comment above, the drug wars were components in the overall systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits. These days, the war on terror has become an orders of magnitude worse form of war based on deceits, while similarly shows no signs of being anything else than a runaway self-fulfilling prophesy of false flag started terror, driving endless vicious spirals of more of the same. Everything that the bogus war on drugs did is now being repeated in the war on terror, except at levels which are orders of magnitude worse, and which compound each other! Meanwhile the ruling classes continue to rule over the masses of Zombie Sheeple with almost no trouble at all.

Nothing I have learned gives me any reasonable hope for the future, since ending alcohol prohibition ended up mostly being a crazy compromise with the previous lies, and eventually resulted in the pendulum swinging through to opposite, government enforced, absurdities, while the "legalization" of marijuana looks like it will follow the same pattern ... while both are way too trivial in the context of the overall systems of social control by lies backed by violence, which are deeply entrenched, and easily continued, since the overwhelming vast majority of people have adapted for many generations within that social reality to become political idiots, so much so that it is pretty well a total waste of my time to bother to even discuss those problems, other than with the tiny minority of people on Web sites like Zero Hedge, that already understand some of that.

The only thing I have ever found is that the more I learned, the worse it got, and that was especially the case the more of the bigger picture that I looked at!


More background information collected here:

Canadian Pot Prohibition History | From 1923 to whenever? (That article also embeds a link to this forum thread: History of Prohibition)

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:01 | 4851882 Ghordius
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re "The idea of "ending the Fed" is similar to the issue of "ending the drug wars." "

that's the wrong horse, imho

before the FED (1913) is a different era0 as the era1 between 1913 and 1933, followed by a different era2 between 1933 and 1946, followed by a different era3 between 1946 and 1971, followed by a different era4 between August 1971 and 1999, followed by a different era5 from 1999 and 2008, followed by the newest era6 of the Great Recession, from a world monetary and banking perspective. they are all worlds apart

era 1  was just the US "catching up" on Europe, after the realization that central banking gives an edge, both financially and militarily

era 2  saw a new American War on Gold dawning

era 3  saw the rise of the Dollar as an Instrument of Imperial Tribute (not complaining, we europeans were half complicit in this), and the rise of the IMF and World Bank

era 4  saw the apex of the Dollar's War on Gold, by detachment of the link between the Dollar and Gold

era 5  saw the demolition of all historic regulations on banking, and so the Rise of the Megabanks and the Rise of the Derivatives, their financial WMDs

era 6  saw the begin of the Wars among Megabanks, part and parcel of the new Currency Wars (which we europeans are expecting since 1971, and for which the EUR is defensive groundworks)


all in all, no true link, imho. and if you want to end the FED, think hard to which era you want to go back. then your country does not exist in a vacuum, and a lot of what the FED did in it's 100 years history did touch and change the rest of the world more than America itself 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:21 | 4854665 Radical Marijuana
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Certainly, Ghordius, one could analyze the history of the drug wars into different eras, the same as you have for the history of the American monetary system.

I do NOT want to go back to any previous era. I would like to go forward. However, I expect that the actual ways that we will go "forward" are that all the longer term costs will have accumulated to the point where they overwhelm the previous short-term benefits from both the monetary systems in general, as well as the history of drug wars in particular.


The future of America, as well as most of the rest of world, will be due to runaway disasters caused by civilization having been controlled by huge lies, too much, for too long. I would like to imagine that we could go forward to more radical truth as the better response to those political problems, but actually I expect that not to be possible, because the established systems will drive themselves to become more madly self-destructive. The old systems of lies will break down, while then new systems of lies attempt to shore them up. Any better solutions based on more radical truths will probably never have a chance. Civilization will continue to be controlled by enforced frauds until it collapses into crazy chaos.



Fri, 06/13/2014 - 04:14 | 4851814 Ghordius
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may I add that allowing alcohol while banning marijuana is simply... moronic, imho. in fact, the very argument of the "gateway drug" should be the most profound reason to legalize it, so that the marijuana consumer does not get automatically in contact with with harder drugs

meanwhile, please remember that most drugs, including and most specifically alcohol, are way more dangerous for teenagers than grown-ups. a 14 year-old needs only 14 days of boozing to become an alcoholic, while a 28 year-old needs years

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 04:21 | 4851821 Aussiekiwi
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Nicotine and alcohol are gateway drugs to all others.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 05:35 | 4851857 Radical Marijuana
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One can search YouTube for a series of four BBC documentaries called "Addicted to Pleasure" with episodes about tobacco and whiskey, as well as sugar and opium. They were also major gateway drugs to making money!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:12 | 4852006 Oldwood
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The desire to escape reality is the ultimate gateway drug. I would suggest that if we had a better world maybe the demand to escape it would decline, but instead we have easier jobs (if not rewarding), more and more toys, more flavors and colors of alcohol, more varieties of prescription and street drugs, and nothing has abated. I would submit that our lives are not nearly so much"hard" as they are unfulfilling or empty. The solution would be a life of meaning but it is so very illusive. Religion was supposed to offer this but it has been largely rejected in favor of drugs as a means of "seeing God".

It appears we are just broken. We refuse to care for ourselves in the most obvious ways, which scares the shit out of everyone. We all know the homeless drug addict lives in each of us, just as the preacher knows the devil lives within himself, screaming his warnings to others. Yet we see his falling as proof that his very thesis is wrong.

Suicide, the ultimate expression of freedom.

Stop, or I'll shoot myself.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:45 | 4854605 Radical Marijuana
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Well, Oldman, this is my favourite little article about "drugs," and it basically says the same things as you did above: Rat Trap 

However, I would distinguish drugs which are fatal an overdose from drugs which are not fatal in overdose. The former tend to decrease consciousness, and therefore, provide an "escape from reality." However, some of the best drugs are not fatal in overdose, but rather can increase consciousness, and thus, contribute to being able to "transcend reality."

The info-graphic above totally disregards those dimensions of the "war on drugs," which were aspects of the war on consciousness waged by the ruling classes against those they ruled over. That is why many of the worst drugs are the most legal, while many of the best drugs are the most illegal.

I tend to regard most religions as having had an ancient history which linked psychedelic drugs with astronomy. Many ancient religions started off with large components of using natural drugs as a means of "seeing God," while those doing that tended to develop astronomy, as they looked to the heavens for inspiration. However, those religions eventually stopped being allowed to be connected to the mystical that was their origin, but rather became co-opted forms of social control systems, because they were taken over by the biggest bullies, who desired to impose their "reality" upon everyone else.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:55 | 4851799 Calculus99
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War on drugs, like all the other wars on .... is purely political, plus one massive river of money for those 'fighting'.

These fuckers don't want to win the war (winning is impossible anyway, how do you know when victory has been achieved). Fighting the war is too valuable to those involved.

These fuckers don't want to win the 'war on terror (winning is impossible anyway, how do you know when victory has been achieved). Fighting the war is too valuable to those involved.

And so on with all the other fucking wars.

PS. Just finished a great book on the history of Cocaine, a really interesting read - Cocaine: An Unauthorised Biography - Dominic Streatfeild.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 05:36 | 4851858 dojufitz
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I'm noticing worldwide that decriminalising Pot is becoming more common....latest place about to do this is The Bahamas?




Fri, 06/13/2014 - 06:33 | 4851890 besnook
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i did every drug available to me freom mescaline to opium and i have to say i had a great time. there are people who let their interests control them,turning them into addicts, whether it is work or a hobby or food or sex or drugs. making drugs illegal just made them more profitable for both sides of the law.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 06:48 | 4851904 negative rates
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Had a great time and now you are ready to die without them, some how I can't phatom that.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:19 | 4851937 besnook
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i grow my own stash and want opium on my deathbed. if i could get some real mescaline(or clean lsd) i would indulge. coke, crank, and most of the rest were fun but not my cup of tea.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:25 | 4852058 Oldwood
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I would guess more people die "having fun" than work related deaths, so I wouldn't worry to much. There is an unfathomable commerce dedicated to nothing but pleasure. As with all addictions, it requires even more to get the same high. Definitely a growth market and it will be the last to go. There are way to many people in prison for this, but there is also a massive profit base at play. Maybe we would like to believe if it were legalized the criminal element would be removed, but while our banking system is completely regulated and "legal" I would suggest that the banking industry is home for the biggest group of criminals on the planet.

If our government makes something either legal or illegal or simply regulated, it will only benefit the government. Any benefits that accrue to the public are purely coincidental or collateral.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:18 | 4851936 Calculus99
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That's the rub right there, drugs for the majority are fun, they like doing them. Many people like  substances that alter the brain (to a more or lesser degree) - fags, booze, presc. drugs, pot, smack, coke, coffee and so on. All of them alter the brain.

This is why the war on drugs is unwinable. But in the meantime we spend trillions, ruin many lives who get caught up in the mess, punish the poor in Latin America and on and on. But hey, it's a gravy train for many and politicians love to use it to get votes - 'I'm tough on crime and drugs'.

Well done Colorado by the way, that's the future.  

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:23 | 4851940 besnook
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that is why i made my comment. having loads of fun doing drugs is not the politically correct view.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:32 | 4851952 besnook
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i watched a documentary that depicted a group of monkeys who would let fallen fruit ferment before they would eat it so they could get drunk. one of the funniest videos i ever saw.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 06:54 | 4851908 Amagnonx
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If they are open to idea's - here's one, MAKE THEM LEGAL!

Then the price drops to a fraction, you dont spend on incarceration, you dont spend on policing, and the incentive for young people is diminished - its no doubt that some of the incentive is rebellion and danger - simply make them boring.


Then rehab is a lot less expensive, there is no stigma or legal issues with seeking help and if we observe the numbers in Portugal - the entire problem is vastly reduced.


This wont be done, because so many at the top of the food chain in the illegal drugs industry have political power or connections.  Those with political, policing, militatry and covert power are happy just the way things are thanks very much.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:12 | 4851927 Last of the Mid...
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At least they got the tie in with the pics of all the pretty little guns. How about you come on my property looking for money addicted and I make a doughnut of your head. That's what I call a war on drugs. Problem solved with one single stacked magazine of 45's.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 07:51 | 4851982 cluelessminion
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The war on drugs was a war on black people.  Something had to be done to prevent black people from gaining and equal foothold in the USA.  After the voting rights act and various other civil rights laws were passed it was going to be increasingly hard to keep blacks from continuing to gain power.  Most of the people jailed for drugs are minorities.  At least before crystal meth became popular.  Don't care if you down vote.  

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:27 | 4852076 d edwards
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Yeah, and how about all those planned parenthood abortion clinics in predominately black neighborhoods?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:18 | 4854715 Cathartes Aura
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Gary Webb agreed with you, got him killed.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:18 | 4852017 Its_the_economy...
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America’s and the world’s appetite for drugs is insatiable



and why not, every other commercial on TV says drugs are good for you.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:29 | 4852093 d edwards
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You have to believe there are a lot of politicos getting $$$ (well laundered, of course) from the drug trade.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:35 | 4852127 blue gkm
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only drugs i use is food grade hydrogen peroxide. all natural and cures anything under the sun. So cheap they cannot make a profit

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:23 | 4854733 Cathartes Aura
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ditto - haven't had that ubiquitous "flu that morphs to pneumonia" or anything more than a quick 24hr "bug" for years now. . .

pharma & the medicine pushers that profit off sickness are the boil on humanity's ass.   

best treated by H202, heh.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 08:35 | 4852129 blue gkm
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only drugs i use is food grade hydrogen peroxide. all natural and cures anything under the sun. So cheap they cannot make a profit

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 09:27 | 4852437 Flakmeister
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I missed a good thread...

Must have gotten a bit too stoned last night....

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:26 | 4853024 Youri Carma
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You was wasted and Youri has been wasted too just as Yoda ;)

But better late than never ...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 09:55 | 4852582 Typing Typer
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The war on drugs is a disaster, but I wondered why the info graphic didn't snidely announce that the US was "Number 1" on heroin use. I looked it up and there are 26 countries that use more heroin than the US, spread all around the world.

As for cocaine, the US can accept 50% of the blame for using so much, but South America must also accept 50% of the blame for producing it all! It takes two to tango, and South Americans can't blame the US for greed and crime when the same human wish for greed and crime is what produces all of this poison in South American countries.

Basically, only an orderly legalization regime will blunt this problem, taking away the huge crime profits. Nothing will fully stop it because some people are just natural addicts who once exposed to these substances can never stop using them again.

At least an orderly legalization will eliminate cutting the drug with toxic materials, the crime and voilence worshiping street culture around drugs, and international drug gangs' massive profits. Not bad progress that.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:53 | 4852824 Herdee
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How can you win a war against a plant?The so-called "war on drugs" is phoney because we know that the U.S. Government makes billions off of it and controls the opium coming out of Afghanistan.The biggest threat to the U.S. is the Taliban once again taking control of that country and stopping production.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4853007 Youri Carma
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Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:50 | 4853172 Jameson18
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I love how these assbags write an info graphic like this and refuse to include the bankers who money launder the cash or the Gov. who allows the money laundering to happen.

You want to stop drugs then stop JPM and company from laundering the cash through the Mexican exchange.



Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:54 | 4854623 Radical Marijuana
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Indeed, Jameson18, I regard that kind of infographic has having been produced by the kinds of mainstream morons that dominate the controlled opposition groups who are against the war on drugs, which therefore tend to deliberately ignore the central role of the banksters, which were behind all the wars for quite a while, and are behind the war on drugs, because they make more money from that, as well have more excuses to build the fascist police state that they need to be able to advance the overall agenda.

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