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Norad Admits F-22 Fighter Jets Intercepted 4 Russian Bombers 50 Miles Off California Coast
"At the height of the Cold War I do not remember them getting this close," notes a retired Air Force Lt. Gen. as The Washington Free Beacon reports that four Russian strategic bombers triggered U.S. air defense systems while conducting practice bombing runs near Alaska this week, with two of the Tu-95 Bear H aircraft coming within 50 miles of the California coast, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (Norad) confirmed Wednesday. Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets were scrambled and intercepted the bombers over the Aleutians but the remaining two nuclear-capable bombers then flew southeast and entered the U.S. northern air defense zone off the coast of Northern California, before 2 more F-15s were scrambled. As House Armed Services Committee member Connaway ranted, "truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like baby seals."
As The Washington Free Beacon explains, Four Russian strategic bombers triggered U.S. air defense systems while conducting practice bombing runs near Alaska this week, with two of the Tu-95 Bear H aircraft coming within 50 miles of the California coast, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (Norad) confirmed Wednesday.
Davis said the latest Bear H incursions began Monday around 4:30 p.m. Pacific time when radar detected the four turbo-prop powered bombers approaching the U.S. air defense zone near the far western Aleutian Islands.
Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets were scrambled and intercepted the bombers over the Aleutians.
After tracking the bombers as they flew eastward, two of the four Bears turned around and headed west toward the Russian Far East. The bombers are believed to be based at the Russian strategic base near Anadyr, Russia.
The remaining two nuclear-capable bombers then flew southeast and around 9:30 P.M. entered the U.S. northern air defense zone off the coast of Northern California.
Two U.S. F-15 jets were deployed and intercepted the bombers as they eventually flew within 50 miles of the coast before turning around and heading west.
A defense official said the four bombers also were supported by two IL-78 aerial refueling tankers that were used for mid-air refueling during the operation this week.
The bomber incursion is the latest Russian nuclear saber-rattling amid stepped up tensions over Moscow’s military annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea.
Rep. Mike Conaway (R., Texas), a member of the House Armed Services Committee, called the Russian flights “intentional provocations.”
“Putin is doing this specifically to try to taunt the U.S. and exercise, at least in the reported world, some sort of saber-rattling, muscle-flexing kind of nonsense,” Conaway said in an interview. “Truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like baby seals.”
“It’s a provocation and it’s unnecessary. But it fits in with [Putin’s] macho kind of saber-rattling,” he said, adding that he expects Russia will carry out more of these kinds of incidents in the future.
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, a former Alaska commander for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said he does not remember a case of Russian strategic bombers coming that close to the U.S. coast.
“Again we see the Obama administration through their covert—but overt to Mr. Putin—unilateral disarmament, inviting adventurism by the Russians,” McInerney said in an email.
“At the height of the Cold War I do not remember them getting this close. Mr. Putin had to approve this mission and he is just showing his personal contempt for President Obama right after meeting him in Normandy less than a week ago,” McInerney said.
McInerney said no American president has been treated with such disrespect in U.S. history.
“A sad day indeed and at the same time Mosul and Tikrit [Iraq] fall to radical Islamists after the Obama administration’s failed Iraq policy,” he added. “He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.”
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Is the F22 still asphyxiating pilots?
Skynet needs no pilots and kills them for pleasure!
distance and altitude restrictions were lifted in early 2013... so, short of being able to perform better than a human body can withstand, no, they aren't
the USAF is just going to have to accept that its "spam in a can" days are numbered... Navy too, for that matter... the platforms are being held back by human limits
Just make sure all the people you drone live in tents and caves though.
Sending them up against technically capable oponents seems to be more like gift wrapping them before handing them over.
please... most "technically capable oponents" find their ass bombed into smithereens before they even get out of the hangar
even if they get in the air... if you think there's anything in the world today that can go up against a flight of F-22s... well, you need to reconsider
this is where the RThedge crowd tries to jump in and prove that some Russian tin can is better than an F-22... save your breath to cool your borscht, ya got nuthin'
mute point until can get a whole flight in the sky at once....
and keep them there...
seems one at a time is current challenge
you know nothing and insist on proving it
I assume it's also fully integrated and networked...
lol at the neg votes... man but I know my audience, welcome RThedge subscribers lol
No, but they do still need tens of hours of maintenance for each flight hour, and the mean time between failures is less than 2 flight hours. Just make sure you're not up in the air that long.
What could possibly go wrong?
See, that's why they waited till they were 50 miles off the coast; the US Planes cannot be in the air for more 40 minutes.
Time to dust off the ME 163 and deploy them on the coast.
they require 10.5 hours per 1 flight hour as of 2009, and the number continues to drop... the original requirement was for 12 hours maint per flight hour, so the req has already been exceeded... it's not a perfect platform but those numbers speak for themselves
Boy, don't they?
So let's say a 10 hour mission...then the flight gets put in the shop for 3 days. What a plane.
well let's think this through... you really think in wartime that they're going to get that amount of maint time... or, realistically, actually need it? it's just a conservative engineering factor
I mean, it's not like we're replacing entire engines after one sortie under military power, like some *cough cough* Russian designs call for
They are now just a couple percentage points below the Air Force's average readiness. Considering how much more effective they are than earlier generation fighters, it's worth the cost. They should have cancelled the F-35 and built more F-22's instead.
we dere best why shatter are ilyushins wid yer realities actualities damn you
Change You Can Believe In!
Provocation?
Hmmm...And where was Norad on 911?
It would have been nice if we had the same response on 9/11......
Norad was on stand down, with a drill of US hi-jacked aircraft.. nothing to see here move along, move along
Five military exercises were held on 9/11, and this resulted in flight controllers, commanders and pilots being unable to distinguish real world events from exercise scenarios.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911stand.html
Yes I know the highest concentration of drills in US history...
Practice makes Perfect!
http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/the-46-drills-of-911-by-webster-tarpley/
How is Tarpley these days? I haven seen much of him around lately...
tarpley.net
All just a coincidence. Bldg 7 too.
Baby seals everywhere beware.
Obama is on the march...
baby bldg 7's
I believe that's what Kill Switch was alluding to.
friendly fire is not tolerated in a CIA / MOSSAD operation
why would you want to shoot down aircraft carrying nukes? it's got nukes? right? o_O
Nuclear can't detonate from that.
I did not know that, thanks. The other two assholes can now thumbs up me.
they could still detonate, but better far away.
Do you really want two assholes with their thumbs up you?
Curious...
Well not entirely true. If they are carrying old bombs and they use something like our old Mk239 arming switches.......then a detonation could happen if the G forces from either the detonation or the fall and impact move the rocker switch on the left side of the panel.....almost happened to us twice, once in Goldsboro and then in Palomares.
i doubt that they carry anything... this time.
"A sad day indeed and at the same time Mosul and Tikrit [Iraq] fall to radical Islamists after the Obama administration’s failed Iraq policy,” he added. “He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.”
Right...Iraq was Obama's fault. What an asshole.
Obama has solved nothing. Name one thing that he has done which is 100% correct. Being 100% incompetent does not count.
Name one thing.
How about diminishing any remaining international good will towards the US?
How about successfully winning reelection? Campaining is the only thing this piece of shit is good at!
He's 100% succesful at not prosecuting banksters.
Are you really that obtuse? This is not about Obama "solving" anything – Iraq was broken beyond repair by the neocons, and no subsequent President was going to be able to save it.
a pragmatic leader would have left more forces in Iraq, like his generals all told him too. We created a vacuum when we left. It was foreseeable, predicted, foretold, and came true. No surprises.
I really hate to see those scumbags with our equipment there. They even have choppers now.
but it's not "our" equipment, or "yours" even - I make no claims to "nation-all-ity"
the equipment belongs to those who use it, those who make war against each other, those who volunteer to kill - irrespective of "sides"
the MIC is flooding the Middle East with "equipment" that is "falling into" hands that want to use it on each other
perpetual war, for the perpetual warriors. this is what the Fed pixels help purchase for the world.
destruction, death. war games.
I`ll name the One thing Obambam did right!! -- Not caving for the zionist pledge to bomb Iran.
Other than that .... I Piss on him.
"As Commander-in-Chief, ensuring the success of this strategy has been one of my highest national security priorities. Last year, I announced the end to our combat mission in Iraq. And to date, we’ve removed more than 100,000 troops. Iraqis have taken full responsibility for their country’s security."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/10/21/remarks-president-...
The initial induction of American "Exceptionalism" may not have been his doing, "but let me be clear" it was him who assured stabilization and "democracy" over there in Iraq.
So yeah, this is this administrations fault. But what would I know as one of those isolationist, free spirit loving, hippies right?
You don't have the slightest clue about Iraq if you believe that a different President would have "stabilized" it.
Obama's rhetoric is completely irrelevant; all President's lie.
indeed, lying is the job description.
not having sex too...
Fucking around in Syria at the behest of the Saudis (and the CIA arming those now in Iraq) certainly didn't help. Neither did trying to impose "democracy" on the Shiite-Sunni-Kurd melting pot.
Destroying countries and causing millions of deaths/injuries/refugees in collateral damage is par for the course with US petrodollar foreign policy. But fuck it - they ain't white so who cares?
...snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...
The stupidity in thinking we "won" in either Iraq or Afghanistan is mind boggling. If we have to stay for decades (or even permanently) to maintain the peace, we didn't win anything.
We won temporary cheap oil, but the party's over now.
you're kidding, right? we didn't even get that
Well, my temporary is like 50 years so, you do the math.
but I thought it's supposed to skyrocket to 150-200 usdpb any second now...maybe that's cheap, who knows
Wake up, Tinky. Barry is Bush III!!!!! Well done, "democrats"!! Heavenly Father, please let our crash-landing be survivable. (Amen)
Great Prayer
So what? The point is that Iraq is OWNED by Bush, Cheney and the neocons. It is ignorant to suggest that the problems in Iraq are Obama's "failed policies".
Neo-cons, libo-cons, all cons. Cons. You have been conned. We have been conned. Why are you trying to invest your belief in one side or the other being better? Will you win something? Will something change? Is this energy well spent?
To say this another way, folks are trying to tell you that investing in one side or another is blinding you. You have fallen into a distraction and you can't get out.
Instead of what Obama did, or what Bush did, how about what the repulsively rich did? Put your boot on the neck of that and take a good look at it. That is not just neo-cons. Or libo-cons. They con and they take and they control 95-98% of the world's resources.They are not innately superior to us. They are innately sociopathic. We just can't believe it because we can't imagine being that way ourselves. And so we are conned.
"Right...Iraq was Obama's fault. What an asshole."
Barry had jack shit to do with Iraq. I agree completely.
Barry armed and trained al-Qaeda to fight Assad. Instead they take over Iraq. 100% Barry's fucking fault. As someone here said the other day: once you break the dam, you don't control where the water goes.
"Barry armed and trained al-Qaeda to fight Assad. Instead they take over Iraq."
It amazes me that more people haven't realized this yet.
Cognition.......
For that word alone nothing that people don't realize amazes me anymore.
That was Barry's owners, the CIA, that did that.
How do you know that wasn't their plan?
The current event is most definitely Obama's fault. Setting aside the wisdom of the original invasion, the Bush Administration handed off a nearly completly negotiated agreement with Iraq to maintain a military base in the country. Team Obama told the Iraqis to f-off, throwing the Sunni's under the bus and back to groups like ISIS as a counterweight to the Iranian backed Shiites. Combine that with Syria, which is all on Obama, and you have the current, entirely predictible events.
Predictible events that are serving 'americans'
'Americans' did not want to see Iran seize Iraq by convoluted means. The occupation, the military basis did not change the fact that Iran was closing on capturing Iraq.
But, hey, as long as 'americans' do not get their share of the loot, it is hard for them to admit what is going on.
'Americans' could not even admit that wars against Iraq were motivated by oil because they see not gas price decrease at home...
Agreed Tinky
Shhhh.....the Kenyan is putting!
Is he night putting? CBS: Yep. NBC: Uh-huh. ABC: Of course. Univision: So, es anybody gon' say sumting?
The Russkies should wait until the MIC is conducting war games to defend against a Russian attack. That'll be the one day they don't see it coming.
the usa does that shit to them all the time
We don't care that your msm tell everyday,because 90% is lies..
You made a simple typo. Didn't you mean 99.99% lies?
They were just flying over to see if there are anymore cookies that the DC US might be passing out.
They are scanning the beaches in So.Cal, but they didn't realize the Cali beaches are not topless. "Damn it, Ivan, we should have flown to Greece!"
sounds better than 'scary caveman gonna get you' but i still dont believe it
My take on things is pretty easy to understand: As the world and most cultures have grown more complex, some measure of chaos has taken hold. Chaos manifests itself in many forms: school shootings, maniacal crime, racism, drugs, academic failures, failed statistics/metrics, etc.
Everything has gotten more complex just as "technology" arrived to assist. Not.
As for these Russian bombers, the same holds. These pilots (and the "Putin" of his day) would have had more personal discipline 25 years ago. Sure, they would have flirted but not like this.
Obama has presided over the anal injection of chaos into this nation. The stress fractures are showing. All it takes is for some badly placed personal undisciplined mishaps and it's all over but the fight. These actions could happen anywhere: Take Benghazi as just one example!
For god's sake, it's all a matter of personal discipline (and a massive lack thereof). I served in the Army at the height of the Cold War and continued on throughout the Middle East conflict(s).
We have our hands full when Russian pilots have the balls (or lack of trained discipline) to do something so foolhardy.
Keep your powder dry folks because QE and BTFATH ain't saving no asses. None--including Yellen's.
It isn’t "complexity," it is "scrambling," as in scrambling by the people to keep up with the banksters' theft from them and scrambling to stay out of the maw of their criminal and violent enforcers, government.
The US publishing its belief back in 2006 or so that it can win a first strike was absolute madness, making the situation *very* unstable and putting the Russians (and Chinese) into hairtrigger mode.
Use it or lose it. Unfortunately for the US, the Russians are *really* good at making weapons, which the Nazis discovered the hard way. Russian tanks and cannon were *far* better than what the Germans had until well into 1943 (at Kursk), and even the vaunted Tiger was too expensive and a maintenance headache which had to be sent to the front by rail... F22 makes the same mistake.
Welcome to the absolute madness brought to you by the Zionists who are now in control of the West and don't have the US Constitution and preservation of the US as their motivation...
"truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like baby seals."
YEP....and we'd shoot them down and squash them using the new State Department Hashtag weapon of mass confusion................The truth is they are laughing at our incompetent President who has lost it intentionally per the Saul Alinsky strategy.
Yes that's true
Me too. Who isn't?
ObamA
I have said it before and I will say it again. Stop worrying and learn to love the bomb. It realy changed my life. Well, that and gold.
Who is this prick that uses the analogy re squashing baby seals? F#@king real tough guy!
Hey, give the guy a break. He was simply misquoted. What he really said was:
“Truth of the matter is we would have gutted either one of those [bombers] like babies at a human sacrifice.”
@Buzz,
ya.....but we're the "good guys!"
/Sarc
I thought Norad was best know to be tracking Santa. Did they get sidetracked?
Hahahahaha. That was good!
Da, but not ready for GrandFather Frost and the Ice Princess.
What Connaway actually said was: "We would have squashed either one of those like SEAL Team 6."
When one's Foreign Policy is a Limp D..., everyone wants to have one Lean Forward (TM).
Just send Top Gun "Maverick" after them.
He's busy bankrupting Warner Brothers with another sci-fi adventure bomb.
Yeah I'd say the "ass-puppet-in-chief" wants a World War pretty badly!...
As Paul Craig Roberts has said many times before the total collapse of the markets versus WWIII is pretty irrelevant once World War III starts.
I think we crossed the finish line with Ukraine!
http://rt.com/op-edge/165532-us-block-gas-ukraine/
you can be good at domestic policy and poor with foreign policy, or vice versa, but you cannot be bad at both as a sitting US President
I'm starting to think a broken clock is correct more often than this administration
The federals, always wrong, but never in doubt. So twice a day for 5 years can snowball after a while.
For all we know that president in Washington D.C. has them practicing so they don't miss when he gives the word.
Obama works for the Queen with the cloven hooves.
Impeach him.
Come on Durden, police your ads a little better. Glaring closeup pictures of toenail fungus brings me close to vomitting up the cheetos I'm eating while reading ZH. Pretty Asian girls...yes, yes. Gross toenail fungus..no, no.
install "donottrackme" and all your toe fungus issues will disappear!
He has toenail fungus cookies. Yum.
I knew this guy with a massive fungal infection. Everyone said he was a Fun Guy, though.
paulcraigroberts.org
Shooting them down with a missile would probably not look good. We should "intercept" the refueling jet with an old drone aircraft then "accidentally" crash the drone into them. That way we get to take one of them down while acting like it was a horrific accident. We could have a fake funeral and everything.
Picked the right year to move inward. Cali? Good luck. Hope my garden survives radiation.
Lot of other surprises in store for "the loud mouth American."
Imminently it would appear.
Maybe someone should give a speech or something?
Perhaps something "market moving."
Don't let the gunfire interrupt you.
The Mob is getting mad about sanctions.
And no American president has ever been so undeserving of any respect in U.S. History.
Bush-the-kid is only slightly trailing B'Crack O' Balmy in the arena of deserving no respect.
On the menorah phone - "what do you want me to do?" - where is Wolfowitz and Perle and the others when I need them? Has Chertoff been alerted?
This is expensive - can you imagine the holy-cost bat man?.......what would Bill and Hillary be told to do?..........just askin'......
Don't look now but the Bear bombers were a decoy - super-quiet Russian subs were parked undetected only 200 miles off the East coast - launched ICMBs and Obama is toast!
You can dress up a POTUS community organizer and put lipstick on the bitch.
At the end of the day, he is still a disrespectful leader to the United States of America and the global community.
Fuck off,Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney.
That was great. Would like to modify it a bit though.
"You can dress up a POTUS community organizer and put lipstick on the bitch.
At the end of the day, he is still a bitch with lipstick that deserves disrespect,"
Conaway "we should've crushed them like baby seals".
What kind of asshole talks like this, and yet he's making decisions for the rest of us. Americans deserve everything that's coming shortly.
here's your quote:
"..."truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like baby seals." ..."
would have, not should have
so because someone uses some distasteful words, Americans deserve exactly what?
you know what, I think you're the asshole
I don't think we deserve it, but someone who talks like that, thinks like that. He has a point.
A complete horse's arse talks like that.
This is what happens when you have a pantywaist in the White House.
So these Russian bombers... Stealth ones?
I guess it's a good thing they kept those WW2 gun-turret tracks on the bluff at the Bolsa Chica wetlands. Ha ha...
So they take out Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Silicon Valley, San Juaquin, Hydro and Nuclear power. On the second wave bye bye Los Angeles, San Diego, sorry Tijuana. The fallout drives survivors east and south. Welcome to the desert. Oh, welcome to Mexico! You've been so gracious with our emmigrants, we'll put you right up in style! Here, have a seat, here's a beer and a feather bed. Rest now little feller...rest.
They can't take out Silicon Valley - that would be considered an Act of War against India!
dem russian flyin bears hate us for are gay rights freedoms.
it really pisses dem off dat yogi and boo boo were allowed to adopt a syrian child and have a transgeneder church wedding.
Admirably random, sir.
Reminds me of the Joseph Heller novel "Catch 22".
"We each bomb our own air-bases.Saves gas and wear and tear on the aircraft and crews".
Obummer sends Stealth bombers to Europe and Putin sends Turboprop bombers to California. Game,Set,Match....
Meanwhile there is a flood of teenagers roaring across the border.Did the Plague break out in Latin America? Do they know something that we don't?
tangent:
my favourite Catch-22 meme lately is Snowden's Secret. . .
Sorry. Mr Air Force dude but my fine training has prevented me from jumping back into your fine aircraft.
Never was any going home us anyways.
message from Norad to Air Farce and other air assets: You are to stand down per the 911 SOP.
incoming
stop
informationals for jack burton.
stop
dese planes from russia have eight 1950s propellers per wing for 16 in total
day are half a mile long the wing span is longer dan a football pitch or in horses hands 56 thousand horse hands long per plane
day travel at 50mph or 20 nautical nots took dem weeks to arrive in hollywoodland
4 of em 18 russkis sleepin on and off shifts
4 russian flyin cement mixers the size of larry silversteins pulled building wt7 if put together wing tip to wing tip.
4 dustbin carts flyin over der homelands and nobody spotted it
emtying dere shit out of der window onto freedom
pissin and shitin processed vodka and cabbage on us
what an insult to the eagle.
yet arse usa military are already blowin up shit in iraq
weird
Barry is worse than useless.
Hope all those lefties on the west coast send their thank yous along to Barry.
First place the Russians could hit is Pelosi's residence, followed by Harry Reid's.
May I take it that Connaway is a sabre-rattling, gob-shite bombastic retard?
Everyone bitching about Barrys lack of ideas, what would you do? Would you shoot the bombers down and to hell with the consequences?
I take offense to that. You don't squash baby seals, you club them. Violently. Then eat their hearts.
(Something called a Governor General of Canada) "Jean eats raw seal heart to show support for hunt"
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2009/05/25/jean_eats_raw_seal_heart_t...
We are intercepting long range aircraft on a regular basis these days. Makes me wonder how often the Russians are intercepting our long range aircraft.
Probably slow boiling frog, they'll push the limits on a regular basis so it feels routine, then one day they'll have a suprise.
“Truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like navy seals.” I wonder what they meant by that?
McInerney said no American president has been treated with such disrespect in U.S. history.
the southerners showed lincoln more disrespect and look what happened to them
What happened to Lincoln?
re "truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like baby seals' sure but AFTER they launced the nuclear missiles
Lets put it this way, the Russians tested the effectiveness of radar and ground defense system jamming/scrambling on us at the L.A. Lax not too long ago.
Clearly the Russian strike plan is to fly in with covert ops planes, jam/scramble/fry the radar / defense systems, fly in with the Bears and rip USA a new one.
By the time one of our fat Diabetic Generals picks up the phone half of California will be a crater, even if in the aftermath they scrambled fighters, they would probably be targeting by eye because radar systems will be down till the bears are out of range.
There is too much confidence being placed in ground to air defense systems, our systems are freaking ancient, our ICBM launch codes need 5.25 (8"!) floppy discs to launch for god-sake, that does not instill much confidence, the earths magnetic field alone could wipe those things after a few years . . .
I don't even think we will be able to effectively retaliate against an ICBM strike should one happen, the systems to launch probably need a day to "warm up" the vaccume tubes XD. . .
EDIT:
Correction, the ICBMS need 8 inch floppy discs, not 5.25 inch.
http://defensesystems.com/articles/2014/04/29/af-8-inch-floppies-icbm-la...
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even worse lol
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Talk to me again about 9-11...
WTF. Is this some kind of gaunlet being thrown down? 'Cause you know, peeps be ready to go there.
Putin is doing what he is supposed to do. He's probing defenses and you can bet all the information is written down and tucked away for future reference. Obama can't even conceive of the different level at which Putin operates. Our agitatior in chief simply does not have the ability to comprehend someone he cannot control with his entitled, agitator, divide and conquer tactics. This is the crux of the arguement that in reality the man is unfit to serve because he is incapable of defending the US in the arena of world powers.
Is he probing defences or just encouraging US to print up even more money and waste it on preparedness and very expensive hardware, thus hastening its demise. Putin isn't stupid enough to invade, but if you can make 'em spend a few trillion more by flying some empty old bombers near the coast, then that's priceless!
'American' comment.
Probing defenses?
Just as a lord, struck in his besieged castle, spit at the besieging army to probe their defense, right?
I live in northern cal. Would they wait so long to intercept them it were Washington DC? Oblama if you don't love us let us go.
If the meek inherit the earth, we're in great shape.
( cupping ear) Is that laughter I hear coming from the Kremlin ? ....Squashing baby seals.. what th fuck...
For Attn Of Russian Strategic Bomber Command
Wash DC is actually at 38°53?N 77°02'W - nowhere near California...
Don't worry about DC, I'm sure the Russians got that covered by a submarine in Chesapeake Bay.
I'm sure those ruskie submariners are itching to get some payback for the Kursk.
Hey they must have been squashing baby seals that time when they flew out over the Atlantic instead of intercepting those hijacked planes.