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US Naval Map Update: Iraq vs Al-Qaeda Edition

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Now that the middle east is once again about to become a hot bed of "kinetic action", the recurring question from 2011/2012 when Israel was seemingly knocking on Iran's door on a daily basis, returns: how are US naval assets positioned particularly those surrounding the Fifth fleet located in the Persian Gulf. The answer, as updated just earlier today, is shown below, and it shows that America, which historically has had a far greater naval presence in the middle east, is quite unprepared for the recent dramatic resurgence of Al Qaeda splinter groups. Expect at least one more aircraft carrier to depart in direction Iraq shortly.

Source: Stratfor

 

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Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:46 | 4849855 CrashisOptimistic
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Tyler, heads up:

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-rejects-putins-offer-gas-discounts...

 

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia on Wednesday offered to restore the discounted gas price it granted Ukraine under the ousted pro-Russian president, but Ukraine demanded an even better deal and called for arbitration to settle the dispute.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:47 | 4849865 McMolotov
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Ukraine is apparently like the homeless guy who turns down a burger because he'd prefer filet mignon.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:07 | 4849943 Manthong
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“and called for arbitration to settle the dispute”

Like Putin would accept any arbitration from the west with a belligerent western puppet.

He does not need to be a part of that game.

He owns the ball and he is choosing to stay home since he has plenty of other friends to play with.

If I was a European on the west end of those Ukraine pipelines I would be long logs and wool right about now.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:12 | 4849960 CrashisOptimistic
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Well, there is a timing issue.  The other markets for GAZPROM take some months to open.

Which is why Ukraine wants an ultra long term deal.

There are few things in the universe more apparent than that Russia has an overwhelming hand of cards.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:31 | 4850025 johngaltfla
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Unprepared? Hell, they are sitting in port parked like battleships on December 6, 1941.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:36 | 4850047 svayambhu108
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Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:41 | 4850064 Manthong
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Obama could have a few loaded B-2’s and a swarm of drones over the ISIL convoys in a heartbeat but his finger is off the trigger like it was in Benghazi.

Curious.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:53 | 4850107 Manthong
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I am confused.. so someone thinks Obama could NOT have a few B-2’s and a bunch of drones over Iraq within a few hours?

.. and he has not done so in an expeditious manner like he did nothing in Benghazi while people were being killed?

Someone please explain what I have wrong here.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:49 | 4850345 max2205
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Why doesn't Iran like alqeada?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:52 | 4850355 max2205
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Barry was counting on Iran buds to take care of this problem....fail!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:13 | 4850192 johngaltfla
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Wait a minute. I thought we sent our fleet of B-2's to England and Guam. Sheesh, I wish Obama would decide who are enemies are and just put the Risk pieces on the right map locations.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:29 | 4850253 Manthong
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We were round tripping those things to Iraq from Missouri for bombing missions.

I know for sure that we can load’em up in Guam and I am pretty sure they have the same goodies in the UK.

And of course,  we have drones all over the freaking planet.

But to your main point, I don’t think we can expect any degree of ordered thinking from the messiah except that which preserves Cloward-Piven chaos.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 18:43 | 4850590 kchrisc
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CIA-Obama will not be ordered to bomb CIA-"terrorists."

They will continue to fund and arm both sides and then the CIA will divide Iraq into the three states that have always been planned.

The CIA's ISIS, or whatever they are called, will then fund themselves further in the CIA and Israeli battle for Syria.

No need for the CIA to up drug sales when they can just have their "buds" fund themselves from captured loot and oil.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:06 | 4850678 Manthong
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It is depressing to see the logic (not wisdom or goodness) of those points.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 20:50 | 4850979 kchrisc
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My father and friends are not happy about it as well. They blew off my opinion as "nuts,' but his mysterious background and SSN just screamed CIA. I also had the knowledge of Clinton’s CIA and Bush Sr. connections to back me up.

With that knowledge, most gleamed from other's research, I was able to make predictions about his administration's future behavior and "decisions." Every one of which has been born out.

The Obamacare "passage" duplicated that used by Clinton for "NAFTA" including the "Contract with America" bamboozle by the Repubs after their victories in the 2010 mid-term. I.e. Clinton forced NAFTA thru both to benefit his masters and strengthen what the Repubs could do and get away with. Also it is now quite clear that Obamacare is more about shoveling money to the big corps that wrote it than providing “socialized” healthcare.

Look at his supposed anti-Israel stance. Look closer and one will see that he actually serves them as much as any other. I.e. the supposed anti-Israel stance is a ruse.

Now in 2014, what pol, surrounded by experienced pols, crats and handlers, would practically obliterate his party's chances at the polls this year with a VA scandal, followed by a "shoot yourself in the foot" prisoner swap, a deluge of 'illegals” being bused and dropped around the country and now a gas fire foreign policy debacle in Iraq.

The man is a CIA manchurian candidate placed to destroy the Dem. party in the minds of the sheeple and prep the American people for the coming one party rule by the neo-cons.

Since the fundamentalist Christians form the ideology base of the neo-cons, look for more positions and actions by the administration that further fire them up. Things like "law and order," morality, strong foreign policy, support of Israel, etc. One will also see Karl Rove become more prominent going forward as well, as he is the architect of the neo-con and fundamentalist Christian connection.

Everything will culminate in a scandal involving Obama's homosexuality in the last year or so of his presidency.

Note: My opinion on fundamentalist Christianity is not an attack on Christians or their beliefs. Fundamentalist Christianity is a radical and politicized branch of Christianity and is no different than radical and fundamentalist Islamists.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:32 | 4850026 NoDebt
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Can we use this as an excuse to remove President Obama from office?  Hell, he can use school shootings as a reason to repeal the 2nd amendment, we should be able to use this as an excuse to kick his ass to the curb.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:48 | 4850094 August
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An intermediate-term boost for shifting residence to one of the PIGS, in Club Med.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:50 | 4849861 john39
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some reports of Iranian troops in Iraq, fighting together with the government against the "militants", are circulating:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/irans-revolutionary-guar...

so, the U.S. will be allied with Iran, bombing ISIL militants, that the U.S. is backing just across the border in Syria?  wtf.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:52 | 4849884 McMolotov
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Starting to think maybe the US has gone berserk and lost the plot. I expect we'll invade Finland as a response.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:55 | 4849900 john39
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>>lost the plot

perhaps because another player, with a bit more experience with war by deception, is blowing things up in the ME without regard for the consequences to the U.S. maybe?  what are "allies" for afterall...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:39 | 4850188 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, john39, I have no doubt that is the "explanation" ... although my view is that the ruling classes generally are manifesting runaway criminal insanities, while the entire civilization that they dominate does similar things.

Thousands of years of successful warfare based on deceits, in order to rob natural resources, has NO way to adapt the full potential of the industrial revolution. Rather, the military madness is merely the leading edge of the ways that the apes with atomic bombs have become suicidally insane regarding everything that they are doing, from atomic energy, on through, because the successful warfare based on deceits, being able to dominate and organize civilization, never before had to adapt to technologies becoming trillions of times more powerful.

Human beings are acting out their nature as primates, despite progress in science and technology amplifying their powers and capabilities by many orders of magnitude. Since human ecology was previously controlled by murder systems which were based on deceits, in which those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, were able to dominate the human ecology in those ways, and therefore, then dominate the political economy with enforced frauds, the human species has become totally stark raving MAD!

Since our civilization is already MADly lost in Money As Debt backed by Mutual Assured Destruction, it continues to deliberately ignore the nature of its problems. In my opinion we are only able to continue because we are already too crazy to be able to change. Therefore, I regard the future as being as unpredictable as psychotic breakdowns. Our civilization is almost totally based upon systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which are solely able to continue on that basis. Those systems require attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards almost all rational evidence and logical arguments, other than the faked versions of those, which operate as limited WITHIN those systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. Everyone is necessarily living their lives within the dominate systems of MADness.

What eventually happens to those runaway systems of enforced frauds, which are amplified by technologies which are trillions of times more powerful? Clearly, nobody knows, and probably nobody is able to even comprehend that fully enough to make any educated guesses. The "plot" was to control civilization through lies, backed by violence, which methods have become almost infinite tunnels of deceits, which have become too convoluted and entangled, and therefore, everyone has "lost the plot!" The ability to make a living killing has become the ability to commit collective suicide through overkill. Since the actual killing got done through the maximum possible deceits in the past, and those maximally deceitful death controls were then the foundation for the maximum enforced frauds to control the whole world's political economy, everything being done within the established economic systems, which almost everyone must attempt to live inside, are runaway stark raving forms of MADness!

The military misadventures are merely the most obvious social symbols of how the entire economic system was built on the past triumphs of controlling civilization through the methods of organized crime, which have resulted in everything being controlled in ways which are collectively more completely crazy than can be comprehended, but which are nevertheless automatically set to continue to runaway at exponential rates of total social insanities towards severe social storms and psychotic breakdowns.

Superficially, the political problems are which particular best organized gangs of criminals are actually controlling governments, which are the biggest form of organized crime. However, the DEEPER problems are way worse than merely that superficial level of the manifestations of those problems that civilization is almost totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, and that includes almost everyone else, not merely those bullies, but also all of the controlled opposition groups too!

The superficial levels of the problems that the American military faces have automatically become even worse, ever faster, since 9/11/2001, which was an inside job, false flag attack, that caused the American people to go tens of trillions of dollars deeper into debt slavery, in order to pay for wars based on deceits. One of the best earlier examples of the history of the predicament that the military forces of the USA have become trapped within is the story about what happened to the USS Liberty:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uss+liberty+documentary

American "military intelligence" is controlled in ways which make it appear to be incredibly contradictory. (I wonder how many of the people inside that oxymoronic system are embarrassed by how incompetent they appear to be, because they are controlled by politicians who are puppets, that are NOT serving the interests of the vast majority of the American people?) Thousands of years of the history of successful warfare based on deceits, in which spies were the most important soldiers, has resulted in civilization as a whole become almost totally insane! The superficial problems are that the best organized groups who specialize in being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, actually control the government of the USA, to direct it to continue to go deeper and deeper into the condition of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits.

THE DEEPER PROBLEMS ARE THAT THERE ARE NO POLITICALLY PRACTICAL WAYS TO CHANGE CIVILIZATION BEING CONTROLLED BY THE MOST CRIMINALLY INSANE PEOPLE, TO OVERALL BEHAVE IN MORE CRIMINALLY INSANE WAYS!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:28 | 4851403 r0mulus
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somehow posted twice. sorry y'all.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:26 | 4851436 r0mulus
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i just want to write that i enjoy your line of thinking here. the psychological and motivational aspect to all of it has always really intrigued me, especially at the individual level. i don't see the situation as hopeless though.

there is a great opportunity for bitcoin to form the basis of a fully transparent, accountable, and decentralized system of exchange, one that can serve as a balanced counterweight to central economic control. it's really only necessary for people to design the mechanisms and put them into existence.

i have a lot of hope for the future. i think that the generations of people raised with access to free information will radically transform the general composition of society for the better. its still a very immature process though. slightly less than 4 out of 10 people in the world are even internet users at the moment. there are very few truly free minds out there, but, they are getting much free-er all the time. just gotta help it along as you can for now.

cheers.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 01:46 | 4851675 Radical Marijuana
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I hope you are right, r0mulus.

There is always some racing,

between creations,

versus destruction

Both are appear to be on exponential growth paths. The destructive ones are more obvious, and relatively easy to understand, while the creative ones are more hidden, and much harder to imagine!

I agree that the Internet Revolution is potentially bigger, indeed, way, way bigger, than anything like the printing press, which itself drove lots of reformations. I like to day dream that it may be the emergence of a different consciousness ... However, it will have to fight to survive against those who are attempting to shut its potential down.

Of course, I do not know ... Meanwhile, the bad stuff continues to become more obvious, like in Iraq, etc., while the potentially creative good stuff is still over the horizon of history. Surely, a couple hundred years ago nobody could imagine the "problems" of globalized electronic communications, and atomic energy, etc.! So far, those have mostly been making things worse, because they mostly just amplified the same old social pyramid systems' insanities. However, clearly, such science and technology has even greater potential, and MAYBE could enable a greater use of information, manifesting through higher consciousness ???

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4852891 r0mulus
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i like how you put it: "a greater use of information, manifesting through higher consciousness". it's definitely what needs to happen if we are to have broad based systemic change.

as you also say though, "it will have to fight to survive". nothing will come easy.

people are born with primate minds but relatively few graduate to free-willed, universally magnanimous, humanism. this situation unfortunately tells us that this is a never-ending game that will need to be continually fought by the forces of well-intentioned creation. we simply must persist. the game must be played. "All that is required for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Similarly, "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."

cheers.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:57 | 4849912 NYPoke
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Amsterdam would be a lot more fun to occupy.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:05 | 4849927 CrashisOptimistic
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There's only one plot, and you know it.

The spice must flow.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:44 | 4850075 Squid Viscous
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who's side are we on? Al-Cia-duh , or the other Al-Kayeeda (bad guys)? ... jeez this is getting really confusing... better check our orders again with Bibi and AIPAC...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:53 | 4849890 viahj
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mind fuck indeed.  this is a complete surprise to the US foreign policy fuckers.  I expected Iran to tak action quickly to support the Iraq gov't in Bagdad and south against the Sunni ISSA(ISIL)/KSA.  we may be seeing the fracture o the UA/KSA marriage because the US reccent policy has positioned iself on both sides of this one.  KSA better be careful, they are enemies with Iran and Russia and causing the US to support the Shia gov't...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:03 | 4849934 CrashisOptimistic
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Odds are pretty good that some people have seen through the KSA infinite oil shroud and found there to be not a lot left.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:58 | 4849896 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Motherfucking Planet of the Motherfucking Apes

That's TF...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:54 | 4849899 PartysOver
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Only going to get more stupid.   Get your popcorn and watch the USSA's leaders make complete idiots of themselves.   When you think it can't get any worse.... it does.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:09 | 4849924 ZerOhead
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Rouhani says Iran will provide assistance to Iraq if requested...

 

"Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani commented on June 12 on the latest crisis in Iraq, making it clear that Iran will intervene at the appropriate time to combat terror. According to a transcript of the speech released by the Islamic Republic News Agency, he said, "The Islamic Republic of Iran will not tolerate this violence and we will not tolerate this terror and as we stated at the UN, we will fight and combat violence, extremism, and terrorism in the region and the world."

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/rouhani-iran-ready-int...

 

Here's to hoping that the NeoCons, Saudis, Israel and the Iranians can all agree on just who the terrorists that they all want killed are...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:06 | 4849935 Relentless101
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That's what happens when you place trust in terrorists. LOL. A unpredictable group to say the least. 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 18:26 | 4850384 Radical Marijuana
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Well, Relentless101, do you mean like almost half of the American People, who voted for the various members of the governments, who are almost all complicit in various degrees of treasons?

Everything regarding the history of the wars in Iraq was based on one level of lie after another, after another. Any politicians who support the official stories regarding those wars based on deceits are engaged in some level of treason, if only due to willful blindness.

The government of the USA has become almost totally subjected to the application of the methods of organized crime, such as bribery, intimidation, as well as assassinations of those who could not be otherwise bribed or intimidated. Therefore, the government of the USA is almost totally dominated by those who dominate the best organized gang of criminals, that therefore can direct what the government of the USA does. Through those means, one false flag attack after another, after another, have been the main directing forces to determine what the American military did.

The degree to which "military intelligence" has become entangled in almost infinite tunnels of deceits is practically impossible to figure out. However, there are no reasonable doubts that basically the worst terrorists actually control the government of the USA. In my view, that is why things are being deliberately driven to get worse, faster, with the intended end game being the creation of conditions which become bad enough to "justify" using weapons of mass destruction. The path we are on is towards debt insanities and death insanities, whereby the majority of the world's population will be wiped out during more genocidal wars, along with democidal martial law.

Tragically, the pyramidion people controlling the world ARE a "predictable group," in the sense that they are criminally insane, while nobody else can stop them from continuing to control civilization in ways which will become ever more criminally insane.

As I explained in my reply above, THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOLIC EPISODES NEEDED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE US NAVAL MAP WERE THE EVENTS SURROUNDING THE USS LIBERTY, BACK IN 1968:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uss+liberty+documentary

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:55 | 4850098 Squid Viscous
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LOL at Washington Times, does Sun Myung Moon still have a majority piece?...then again, LOL at every MSM whorehouse, but the washington times... please John39, don't link that ziocon rag unless purely for comedic value

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:47 | 4849864 Sudden Debt
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America can't protect it's colonies anymore.
Overextended.

just like...

the british empire... at the end...

poofff...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:51 | 4849882 Headbanger
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Nahhh.  Moar like Rome.

Cause we have our very own Emperor Nero!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:58 | 4849915 AlaricBalth
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Let us gather our armies at Thrace.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:53 | 4849892 disabledvet
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Empires? These clowns can't protect their own soldiers and instead pursue an actuall policy of "killing them on the home front."

If these soldiers weren't so disciplined they might get it in their head to shoot back actually.

"All it takes is a General and an Order."

No ground troops? REALLY?

What's over their right now?

It ain't the Navy that's fer sure.

You either got the the Marines or you don't bitch.

Thanks for the ride though! Now "fly away" flyboy. They're in the real war!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:28 | 4850016 Sudden Debt
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Actually, I think it's going to be the biggest dronewar so far.
And once the drones have proven their effectiveness to take back the country, plan B kicks into action.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:14 | 4850191 kurt
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If we start using the drones and cruise missles in the numbers we're going to need, as we incite the world against us, we will run out, toot suite, of components, one little part at a time. Do you really think this defense establishment is geared to re-supply. Have they vertically integraged the parts chain. Is it redundant? What if the entire poplulation is wandering around avoiding radiation and biologicals and looking for food? Our "modern" distributed supply chain will flat break down. Sitting there like dead ducks you'll remember this. A nuke, mini or not is not a defensive weapon. Are you going to use them in country to defend it? I don't think so. So you pissed off the world, the ships are sunk by hypersonic missles, your fuel supplies are burning, you don't know who's shooting at you, and even your friends don't trust you. Oops now the power grid is down. Communications are jangled, fog of war dorks! Good thing you didn't alienate your entire native population by police forces and spying. Good thing that the citizens aren't in the best mood as you ride shotgun on the stagecoach to hell crying, "Wagons Ho! This way people!" 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 20:14 | 4850882 HeavydutyMexica...
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That would (will) send the price of silver much higher.  Silver is used in cruise missles and there aren't any substitutes for Ag. The MIC is going to have to stand for delivery son! And no, they won't accept paper for settlement.  "We got bombs to build...we need the physical bitchez!!!!"

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 03:03 | 4851759 Sudden Debt
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YOUR OBJECTIVES CAPTAIN: KILL THE ZOMBIES, FREE THE CITIZENS AND FIND THE CRYSTALS

LEVEL 1: GO!!!

 

WHERE DO I BUY THAT GAME?!!

I LOVE IT AND HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET!

Is it a PC or a iPad game?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:28 | 4850017 Abitdodgie
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But he nore troops killed abroard then the less Domestic Terrorists we have so its a win win.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 15:50 | 4849879 buzzsaw99
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usa security interests = OUR OIL BITCHEZ

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:34 | 4850039 cro_maat
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Last I looked Haliburton turned over the best oil concessions to China.

We are now China's proxy bitch. "Hello Obumkin?" "Please to protect China's oil interests in Iraq or Treasuries we sell"

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:15 | 4850196 TeethVillage88s
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Naw, European Wells & China wells pretty sure. If there are pipelines not sure who owns them.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:02 | 4849930 dontgoforit
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Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:52 | 4850105 August
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Nah.  We got a couple of weeks, I think.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:14 | 4849967 SmittyinLA
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sending our navy away was part of the "Jihad offensive" financed and armed by our govt against a govt that we installed, America is literally paying Israelis to arm both sides of multiple wars for the purposes of making Israeli war profiteers rich.

Too bad the Muslims or Americans dont have a clue who the enemy is.

The US federal govt created and installed the Kurdish Muslim terrorist govt, we provide their air cover while they wage war against all their non-jihad neighbors.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:18 | 4849981 AccreditedEYE
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Leave Iraq alone. Fuck, when does it become "no brainer" that Ron Paul foreign policy NEEDS to be the way forward?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:22 | 4849993 john39
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after the horrors of WWI, at the latest...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:48 | 4850090 Squid Viscous
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what do they tell the kids these days about WW1, must be a good yarn...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:29 | 4850020 Sudden Debt
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when the war at home starts.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 18:16 | 4850469 Mr. Saxby
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When the country in question has been milked of all the resources that the multinational corporations that own the US desire.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:36 | 4850048 teslaberry
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i think they already had arbitration. it was called a western backed junta.

i mean, what is arbitration without enforcement.

what is enforcement without junta or nato nukes?

junta worked for now, so they got arbitration. more arbitration = nukes.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:51 | 4850102 kurt
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Do stupid punks continue toilet papering your house and trees when you turn on the lights? Nope, they run. When an exceptional nation perchance, an empire, makes stupid mistakes over and over, and again, do they run? Nope! They send aircraft carriers. 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 16:58 | 4850129 August
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Stratfor will have to put out a special edition on that bright day when the first US carrier is sent to the bottom.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:09 | 4850173 TeethVillage88s
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Iraqi Insurgent Survey:

1) If corporations have Wells, Pipelines, ports, in the region they already had security in place
2) Seems like Baghdad Embassy was probably full of military contractors or there are plenty in the region with mobility, small arms, crew served weapons, grenades
3) Al Qaeda tends to be a mobile guerrilla force, they will pick up recruits to make them targets of air & ground strikes
4) Air Strikes will have limited success against guerrilla fighters, but may be able to protect truck routes, pipelines, oil wells, ports and other installations
5) Drones seem to change the game, but have limited payload and firepower (similar to a sniper)
6) No Idea where Air Force is based near Iraq for missions to Iraq
7) Two Carriers seem close enough to deploy missions, Marines & Special Forces
8) No Idea where other special forces are located near Iraq
9) Seems like you can send additional planes from Italy and send part of an army Division quickly to Iraq
10) IMHO I'd wait to see the objectives of Qaeda and put intelligence agencies to work on both plans & situational info
11) I would only patrol the sky, move some from Embassy, move some to safe houses or Installations nearby
12) I imagine the mission of the Embassy & Security Personnel in Iraq at this time was to Support Trade & the Government (that can continue until social unrest, protesting, refugees disrupt the city, missions are all shut down from unrest or fighting)
13) We have no idea the strength of security forces or contractors
14) Hard to imagine a force large enough to take over Baghdad & all Oil & Trade Facilities
15) If Al Qaeda is spread out = limited terrorism, if bunched together then small US Military groups can handle them
16) Damage so far? Bank, Tikrit, Mosul Pretty impressive if only 100 guys. Hit & Run. Keep Moving.

But I'm just an internet couch potato

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 18:15 | 4850462 Radical Marijuana
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Me too, "... I'm just an internet couch potato ..." Since the real world is almost completely controlled by lies backed by violence, the only two "choices" are to participate in the violence, which will make things get even worse faster, or else, one can attempt to discover and promote more radical truth, which will accomplish next to nothing, since systems of lies backed by violence do not care about that.

Ain't entropy a bitch!

The only actual "choices" are to accomplish next to nothing, or else effectively make things worse! Since the real world is controlled by lies backed by violence, we are stuck inside of that real predicament. More radical truth about the deceitful wars does almost nothing, while resorting to any real violence to attempt to stop them is only guaranteed to make them become worse Therefore, being "an internet couch potato," who tries to better understand the actual history and current facts regarding political problems is the best that one can do ... However, that amounts to practically nothing.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 18:42 | 4850585 TeethVillage88s
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- We can try to support Education, Spread Education
- We can try to analyze, and spread any truth found
- We can be Activists, Protest, Like it took 100 years to win "Worker Rights & the Right to Organize", (Not sure we got Civil Rights exactly, but Women won a kind of Equality, Certainly poor people have won social programs
- Mental Escape or Diversion, TV, Music, Games, D,S,R&R
- We can argue Ideological positions
- We can allow ourselves to become Biased and project cognitive distortions
- We can say everything is black & white, right or wrong
- We can follow other people, other leaders, other patriarchs or matriarchs and avoid deeper understanding or involvement
- We can refuse to see the R & D System as corrupt, refuse to see the influence of money in politics, legislation, and Taxation

- I know someone that says the Options are Unlimited, the possibilities are endless, and that we have to adapt to more and more information and more and more complexity

- Probably we need to see possibilities as Endless

- Probably we only have less than half the facts since people with power don't share information, don't want to be questioned or accused, and probably they make it de facto secret what they are doing

- In War in Iraq We can do nothing on the surface, but TPTB will always be either corrupting, contracting, or maneuvering in the background

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:54 | 4850827 Radical Marijuana
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While I agreed with everything in your response, I still feel the problem is that we are running out of time to allow the paradigm shifts to occur, which usually take a few human generations to happen sufficiently.

 

 

 

 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:32 | 4851451 TeethVillage88s
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Leadership Is:

- Both Keeping many options Open
- And Staying Spiritual in some way
- You Have to Reflect to Citizens that there is a solution, there is a possibility, there ARE Many Possible ways to Go, there is lots of Hope, infinite Options, Infinite Contacts for OUR NETWORK
- People & even animals, fish, reptiles, insects, bacteria, viruses are all masters of change

It is True. That is real. Adapt & Survive. Integrate what the system is and FIX IT!!!!!!!!

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:26 | 4850241 kurt
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Al Queda has more brand new Toyotas than Cleveland and Detroit combined. They've got the extended cab and A/C. First class baby! You don't think anybody in our government would be so stupid as have given them the money?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:03 | 4851197 DarthVaderMentor
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At least they are Toyotas. Can you imagine winning a war with that many GM cars with bad ignitions? 

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4851277 Abbie Normal
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And theirs are the international Hi-Lux version with the metal truckbeds that are perfect for mounting rocket launchers.  Meanwhile, we get the crappy plastic truckbeds that are only good for carrying manure.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 17:41 | 4850306 MansaMusa
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Did the Blackhawk helicopters the insurgents stole come with flying instructions too?  Where's they learn to fly em? Inquiring minds would like to know...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 19:52 | 4850824 HeavydutyMexica...
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software...

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 18:38 | 4850570 teslaberry
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so when does saudi arabia provoke itself and maybe the emirates into this fight?

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 20:43 | 4850955 DarthVaderMentor
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In other words, there's no US Naval air forces or big flattops in the Mediterranean. CVN-77 SAR assets would have to fly over lots of ISIS held territory to help evacuate the embassy. Sounds to me the embassy staff in Baghdad ought to be worried.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 23:47 | 4851484 TeethVillage88s
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Naw, Those assets will come from Land based Airforces.

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 20:50 | 4850977 Paracelsus
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So.... We blast the Iraqi air force to bits.Now we sell them some slightly used f-16s.Now the Isis guys grab the airbases and have their very own airstrike capability.

Meanwhile the US taxpayer gets to bend over again.

I think I got it now.....

Thu, 06/12/2014 - 21:06 | 4851034 Paracelsus
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I saw where Fallujah fell to the extremists a few weeks ago.

Based on how hard the marines fought to liberate that area,I wouldn't want to be a Washington Politico type in a room full of survivors,defending US policies.

I remember when the "People power" revolution swept the Phillipines,and the USA pundits said that Clark airbase was vital to national security.Then Mt.Pinatabo erupted and covered everything with five feet of ash.Suddenly it wasn't so "vital" after all.Seems it wasn't so vital in the first place.Perhaps this has to do with real estate values?

I know I sound Bolshie but next time lets send in the investment bankers and they can play around with the IEDs and suicide bombers.This country will never change until they bring back the draft,no exemptions or deferrals.

The beheadings and such aside,the muslims seem to understand war better than the west.It is messy,painful,sometimes horrific.Best not to start a war if you can avoid it,but if no alternative,then genocide....

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