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In 33 U.S. Cities, Feeding The Homeless Has Been Criminalized
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
The “war on compassion” when it comes to the homeless in America has been one of Liberty Blitzkrieg’s key themes this year. There are many reasons why I find this topic to be of such tremendous importance. First and foremost, I think that if we want to see how the state and crony corporate status quo will treat everyone in the future, all you have to do is look at how the homeless are being “dealt with.” Secondly, random groups feeding the homeless in various venues is a great example of decentralized compassion. Political power hates decentralization and is quite intentionally trying to corral the homeless into the centralized bureaucratic channels over which it has total control. So this isn’t merely a humanitarian issue, it is also a front line battle in the key war of our time: Decentralization vs. Centralization.
As I mentioned, this has been a key topic on this site in 2014. Before reading on, I suggest checking out some of my recent posts on it:
Couple Fined $746 for the Crime of Feeding Homeless People in Florida Park
The Homeless in NYC Are Now Living in Tiny Spaces in the Frame of the Manhattan Bridge
Illinois Church Told by City Officials It Can No Longer Provide Homeless People Shelter
South Carolina City Implements Law that Requires a $120 Permit to Feed Homeless People
Moving along to the meat of this post, the National Coalition for the Homeless (NCH) is about to release a report that details how 33 cities in America have either banned or are considering banning feeding homeless people. It’s so bad, that the UN singled out the U.S. in a report on human rights for our nation’s criminalization of the homeless. Where’s George Clooney and the rest of the Hollywood faux human rights celebrities on this issue? Crickets.
PolicyMic reports that:
The news: In case the United States’ problem with homelessness wasn’t bad enough, a forthcoming National Coalition for the Homeless (NCH) report says that 33 U.S. cities now ban or are considering banning the practice of sharing food with homeless people. Four municipalities (Raleigh, N.C.; Myrtle Beach, S.C.; Birmingham, Ala.; and Daytona Beach, Fla.) have recently gone as far as to fine, remove or threaten to throw in jail private groups that work to serve food to the needy instead of letting government-run services do the job.
Why it’s happening: The bans are officially instituted to prevent government-run anti-homelessness programs from being diluted. But in practice, many of the same places that are banning food-sharing are the same ones that have criminalized homelessness with harsh and punitive measures. Essentially, they’re designed to make being homeless within city limits so unpleasant that the downtrodden have no choice but to leave. Tampa, for example, criminalizes sleeping or storing property in public. Columbia, South Carolina, passed a measure that essentially would have empowered police to ship all homeless people out of town. Detroit PD officers have been accused of illegally taking the homeless and driving them out of the city.
The UN even went so far as to single the U.S. out in a report on human rights, saying criminalization of homelessness in the U.S. “raises concerns of discrimination and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.”
According to the NCH, one survey of homelessness found 62,619 veterans were homeless in January 2012. Other at-risk groups for homelessness include the seriously ill, battered women and people suffering from drug addictions or mental illness. The economy isn’t helping. More Americans live in poverty than before the recession began in 2008 and the number of households living under the poverty line has reached levels unseen since the 1960s.
So we send young kids off to die in pointless wars and if they actually come back and before homeless we aren’t allowed to feed them. Stay classy America.
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Speaking of decentralization I'm not sure what to make of this but maybe Musky is onto something here with the whole decentralization thing.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/12/tesla-patents-open-source/
Following up on his promise from a few days ago, Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk just announced (in a blog post tiled "All Our Patent Are Belong to You") the company is opening its patented technology for use by others. Saying it will not sue anyone who "good faith, wants to use our technology," Musk claims he's doing this to push electric vehicles as a whole, and points to gasoline cars as the true enemy. The problem he's trying to solve is that while 100 million cars are made every year, Tesla will only ever build a fraction of them and so far, other manufacturers haven't followed its lead with capable EVs. The two big questions now are whether anyone else will step up to the challenge of using the tech behind Tesla's cars and Supercharger network, and can Tesla benefit by open sourcing patented technology for use by others? Clearly Musk thinks so, hoping to inspire a "rapidly evolving" tech platform that brings the world zero emission cars for everyone -- here's hoping other tech giants follow his lead.
Its sad, if you have the ability to help someone and you want to..what is the problem
Especially in tough time like today
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The problem, as usual, is the existence of government.
Until people stop obeying, evils like this will not stop.
Bitch and moan all you like, but if you keep following their orders, it matters nothing.
Soon, being homeless and hungry will land you in a Fema detention center.
Siberian labor camp, here we come and only in the USSA.
I'm of two minds with regard to this question.
San Francisco is very sympathtic to the plight of the homeless. Churches right in the center of town feed them. Rich socialites fund these church operations.
The central city is now overrun with homeless people. Many of them are wild and crazed.
The Powell Street BART station is an overnight encampment for dozens of homeless people. At 6 a.m., about 90 minutes after the start of weekday train service, police roust the campers.
Late one day, I noticed a huge pile of dried shit at the bottom of the Powell station escalator. And awhile back, a homeless person took a big shit right on the upholstered seat of the BART train, six feet away from me.
Recently I saw a drunken homeless person throw up on the carpeted car floor instead of stepping off the train through the open doors.
And returning home last night, a homeless person in the train car smelled so bad the entire car stank.
I don't know how the nation is to solve the large and growing problem of homeless people, but I can understand how many cities do not want to follow San Francisco's lead.
I think you'll find fiat money is the cause.
As well as the funding of the cunt class who tosses money their way.
The solution is move to a rural area, and prepare.
If you lived in the mouth of a volcano, would you complain about the smell of sulfur?
It amuses me no end those who complain as they live on a volcano...be it Detoilet, ShitCongo or LA.
Do you need one of your children's dismemberment to indicate it's time to leave?
GTFO.
The war on gvt has yet to begin.
The economy is is depression. Homeless people are a very public indicator of just how bad it is. Hide the problem.
How can we have Liesman on TV telling us how everything is great when we have to stumble over homeless people on the way to work?
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1) The taxes are not worth the value being returned.
I don't have a problem paying taxes, so long as they go to something worthwhile. I will end up paying around 33% - an entire 1/3rd of my income - in my 2013 tax return. Yes, I am getting a refund, but when I am paying tens of thousands of dollars and not getting the services I should receive for that investment in my country, celebrating the return of a few hundred dollars seems absurd.
Where is my benefit from my government for all of this? Do I have free healthcare? No. Do I have a world class education for my child? No. Do I have any kind of guaranteed income should I lose my job? No.
No, instead, I have a country which is the only one in the world to tax its overseas citizens. A country that bails out banks who prey on those who just want a home to raise a family when they become insolvent - but when it happens to me, and I short sell my home, the IRS is there, ready to tax me on "phantom income" - forgiven debt.
I have a country that spends billions on fighting wars for political gain, but does nothing when there actually is evidence of WMD use against others. A country that hemorrhages so much money on military spending, it must turn around and take loans against my child's future - her income - in order to continue to pay for programs we don't need.
2) I'm tired of people being surprised that I'm American because I have manners, common courtesy, and the ability to see the other side of issues.
Seriously, the number of people I meet who think Americans are rascal-riding land whales (like in the movie Wall-E) with handle-bar mounted machine guns, a sack of Big Macs in the front basket, a clinical addiction to NASCAR, and a passion for the modern day artist that is Jerry Springer - it's just too much. I've been introducing myself as Canadian because apparently I'm so polite, that's where they mostly assume I'm from.
3) The fact that none of this is ever going to change, regardless of what party is in charge, and the fact that the American government continues to shred the constitution a little more each year, until it doesn't even matter anymore.
You may not think of America as a police state, but it is. Nobody's going to come grab you in the middle of the night, unless you're reported as a terrorist of some kind. At that point, just forget about "police work" and get ready for the SWAT team.
Nobody is going to take your children way from you, unless Child Protective Services is called, and someone decides - for whatever reason - that it's "in the child's best interest" to be removed.
Nobody is ever going to interfere with your access to medicine, unless you're trying to get something that isn't ridiculously expensive from another country; in that case, get ready for being charged as a drug trafficker.
Nobody is going to freeze your bank accounts, passport, and other means of movement, unless the IRS believes you haven't given them enough money. Suddenly you have debt to prove isn't there, and it will all get "sorted out" at the blistering fast speed of government efficiency. Or you could just pay the amount they say and it all ends quickly.
4) The fact that the future for my child in the US is so dark.
All this debt, and it's going to fall on her and her children. She's broke, and she doesn't even know it yet. Disgusting.
Well, I count myself fortunate that I don't own a home in the US - it affords me the ability to even consider leaving it all behind. There's so much propaganda about how wonderful America is but, when you look at it without those rosy lenses on, what you really see is horrifying.
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Maybe the ptb have thought....lets be proactive and anticipate a random big shit....?
Let it be known.....'THE RANDOM BIG SHIT LAW HAS BEEN PASSED'......
I have taken the Calcutta (India) metro, much cleaner!
Good comments. My guess is most of us deal very little with the homeless...hence the simplistic solutions. Although, from a bigger perspective, what else would a FEMA camp be used for initially?
My wife and I fed the homeless on a bi-weekly basis for 4 years. The vast majority of them have a mental illness.
Generally, they have been abused in some manner to the point of cracking. Some were effected by sickness. One lady I knew was a high flying Foreign Affairs Secretary for a Govt Minister until she contracted a bad case of Glandular Fever and she completely 'lost it' mentally from that time on.
I found them, generally respectful, (after we earned theirs) inteligent in their own way and, entertaining.
@SF Beatnik San Francisco has always been the way you describe. I lived there in the mid-seventies and can attest to the same situation you see now.
I've been here since 1973, and I say it has gotten much worse.
Next step, BART cars will have hard plastic seats and linoleum floors, and mostly standing room.
If you want to feed the homeless you need to do so under the banner of an untouchable group: LGBT. Set up a booth advertising Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgendered Empowerment and hand out all the food you want to the homeless. Governments are so afraid of the fallout from messing with this privileged class you will never be touched.
Thank you sir. You offer a working solution. Food or shelter locations just need to erect a sign "Free food/shelter for repressed LGBT and their friends". You are 100% right no gov agency will touch them.
Reminds me of that scene in Jay and Silent Bob strike back: "And the only thing I do recognize right now is the political fiasco I'm about to avoid here by letting this butt-f*king Brady Bunch go"
I think I speak for a lot of ZHers in saying I am more comfortable with the L part, the lesbian action. Baby steps.
Make that Black, Jewish LGBTs and cover all yer bases!
Thinking goes like this, if they are not fed they will either die or steal food. Then the Private Prison lobby behind these laws can lock them up and feed them while costing the taxpayer 40K dollars a year for incarceration, so they eat say 200 dollars a month worth of food that is 2400 dollars of food the rest is corporate income, what a return on investment LOL
With pot being increasingly legalized there are fewer petty drug offenders to lock up. They need to fill the cells, so how bout the homeless.
Coming soon: changing Good Samaritan laws so that Good Samaritans are terrorists.
They seem to be already inverted that meaning, among many others. We seem to have achieved the Orwellian nightmare where black = white, white = black, up = down, American = anyone but an American, foreigner = native, patriot = traitor, traitor = patriot, etc. etcetera ...
While some aspects of our government would support your thesis, the present issue not so much. At the end of the day, these are LOCAL measures. As in, the closest thing humans can presently get to self autonomy. Go a few towns over and it's quite the opposite. If there is a national law passed under the same terms, then wake me up.
Very cynical, I like the way you think. I was thinking along the lines of feeding stray dogs, when you do that thay tend to hang around.
"they need to fill the cells somehow"
I guess you haven't visited a prison lately. There are no empty cells.
Build more prisons
That's the scary part. They are probably building them as fast as they can con the communities into paying for them, and every prison will always be at max capacity...
I'm not sure the municipalities pay shit. Most of the high profile prisons around here are out in BFE and are the only thing providing local communities with any legal income... even if the local community wanted to, it couldn't possibly float bonds or do any other measure to help the prison locate there. But yes, they're at max capacity, and pretty fucking nasty inside.
they 're also obliged to work for free in jail which creates much more profit for the prison lobby & which also creates some gdp for usa and keeps it somehow competitive against low wage countries
so basically the feds & the prison lobby have the same interest in putting people in jail (so the prison lobby don't even need to lobby the gvt)
modern era slavery reinvented :
bail out the banks -> small biz & people go bankrupt -> they become homeless -> make homeless illegal -> put them in jail -> make them work for free -> rebuild the economy on their sweat
Depending on the jail id probably pick jail over being homeless. Spend a few cold nights outside with nothing to eat and the prospect might not seem so bad.
The economy isn't getting rebuilt on their sweat, hell, they can't even pay for their own costs... but every bit of income is likely more profit to the prison... They get to work all day and, in return, get to buy some hostess snacks at the commissary... good times.
I don't think that's right. Homeless don't get sent to prison just the local lock up. Judges usually send them on their way. Sometimes shipped out on buses, or just referred to the local shelter. I have been thinking about a plan to help, but I have more homework to do.
NEWS FLASH: THIS IS NOT A 'WAR ON COMPASSION"
It is part of the never ending attempt to MONOPOLIZE human care by the government. We care for your education, your health, your shelter (section 8) and your food. Come to US for everything.
This just gives more power to the redistributors who add no value but justify their own parasitical existance as Redistribution Masters.
Soft-minded goofs like you are what ruined US cities. Hunt the homeless for sport, then start on all leftists and statists.
F#$k the sociopathic bastards that run this poor excuse for a country.
tesla = centralized financial scam subidized by government to payoff wall street market makers who suck off a % of churn off the liquidity provided BY suckers who see carbon credits as a source of revenue.
WARNING SIGNAL
TESLA HAS PROMISED TO CONTINUE EXPANDING 50KW SUPERCHARGER STATIONS ( THE ELECTRIC EQUIVALENT OF GAS STATIONS ) -----AND PROMISE ALL TESLA DRIVERS LIFETIME FREE ELECTRICITY.
THAT IS A SCAM MEANT TO DRAW PONZI SUPPORT FOR THE STOCK AND THEN LET IT ALL CRASH.
NO COMPANY CAN PAY FOR LIFETIME FREE UNLIMITED ELECTRICITY PERIOD. SCAM.
AS FOR 'OPEN SOURCE' . IT IS A DIVERSIONARY SCAM. TRADE SECRETS ON ANY IN-HOUSE UNIQUE INFORMATION ON MASS MANUFACTURING IS AT THE HEART OF HOW TO MAKE CARS PROFITEABLY MAKE THE RELEASE OF 'PATENTS' A RELEASE OF ALMOST NOTHING.
IF YOU CAN BUILD YOUR OWN TESLA IN YOUR OWN GARAGE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SELL IT PROFITEABLY, AND IT WILL SURE AS HELL COST YOU MUCH MORE ---IF YOU PRICE YOUR LABOR INTO THE EQUATION AT A MODEST FACTORY WORKER SALARY OF 25 BUCKS AN HOUR.
YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A MODEL S FOR 60K? BATTERY COSTS AT RETAIL ( AS YOU CANNOT BUY ENOUGH AT SCALE TO GET WHOLESALE PRICES) WILL COST YOU 800 A KILOWATT HOUR AT THE VERY MINIMUM. at 60 kilowatthour minimum pack size , you're talking 48,000 dollars. and you haven't even bought the car!!!!
So....they release plans on how to build your own supercharged Zippo?
Gee, thanks...but I'll pass. Rather not have a smoldering slag heap on my driveway.
Heh heh. Indy, you underestimate the importance of smouldering slag heap, I think!
Poof. And it's gone.
What's the weather like on your planet?
Saying it will not sue anyone who "good faith, wants to use our technology," Musk claims he's doing this to push electric vehicles as a whole, and points to gasoline cars as the true enemy.
Typically, the Chinese don't ask or wait for permission to rip you off, patent-wise and if anything it is a litmus test of the attraction of the product, critical mass (or lack thereof) of the market notwithstanding.
Now if he branded the Apple logo on the hood, then he might get somewhere in the Middle Kingdom....
At the end of the day, regardeless of how well it may temporarily be able to dress itself otherwise, the State is a Bully. The "nanny state" is incapable of compassion -and its true ugliness is exposed when it is brought face-to face with the fact.
The Founding Fathers understood that. And placed Constitutional Limits accordingly
This new homeless feeding policy is a major first step in getting rid of undesirables. The 3000 of them running the 330 million of us in this country have everything planned out with them winning everything and us losing everything.
With all due respect to the "news," has the country gone insane?
We MUST feed illegals, but we CAN'T care for war vets?
I try to keep up, but this is insanity.
Obama isn'going to last.
Maybe he knows it.
Yes. But not without a purpose. The last thing the "collective" wants is INDIVIDUALS making a difference. ONLY the collective can be the solution. Therefore, individual actions, even those that would seem to be almost "natural human behavior" to any compassionate, feeling person (like one-to-one charity) must be fully suppressed.
Kinda like how the government treated private assistance during Katrina.
NoDebt: That is fucking brilliant!
That one statement says it all about the intent of this government in order for the elites to stay in power.
It's been called the "dumbing down of America" before but I think it's moar like the Borg taking us over now.
Not only does the collective need to ensure that the only solution is the collective, but that individuals should not realize there is a solution other than the collective.
It's not even about helping people or the suppression of individuals "making a difference", it's contempt for the homeless to the point where they would rather sweep them under the rug and build nice condos in order to raise property value. We're seeing some cities transporting homeless outside of the city limits to achieve this.
With us the government can use us as livestock through collection of taxes, but how can you tax the homeless? You can't, so they'll find other ways to make money from them, such as incarcerating them so they can make money for large corporations in the Prison Industrial Complex.
Helping them is the last thing on their mind.
Some cities see it as a giant money sink rather than a problem that needs addressing so they hand it over to the private sector and let them deal with the issue.
They don't want individuals making a difference because it goes against their property value and city beautification schemes. It is a truly sick society that we live in.
It's not even about helping people or the suppression of individuals "making a difference", it's contempt for the homeless to the point where they would rather sweep them under the rug and build nice condos in order to raise property value. We're seeing some cities transporting homeless outside of the city limits to achieve this.
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Serving the 'american' middle class, serving the 'american'middle class...
Yep, government has become a business and they "own" the public parks where the homeless hang out. The homeless do not pay taxes. This is kinda like people sitting in Starbucks all day and not buying anything.
The homeless are not paying their protection money/taxes to the mob/government.
We provide first class medical treatment to an apparent deserter and short stick veterans waiting for treatment from the VA.
And I am sure those government sponsored food services that are supposed to be used exclusivelyfor this purpose are provided by privately owned businesses. Where is the religious establishment on this issue?
"Where is the religious establishment on this issue?"
Good question, WB. In bed with the politicians and the corporations as usual, I expect -- organised religion is just another racket.
Or too busy buggering choirboys.
And they could so easily make the cops and the city officials look stupid. I have no religion, but I'd love to see the Pope (for example), or an archbishop, visit Birmingham and Daytona Beach and every other place mentioned above, and start feeding the homeless and washing their feet.
He could say to the cops who object to any such displays of humanity: "My maker has told me to feed the hungry. And his law is higher than yours. I invite you to help me."
What could they do? Taser him? With a hundred cameras running?
I guess you dicks didn't see the part about the church being hassled in the article?
Read it again.
In that case I withdraw my argument. If "the church" is being "hassled", then of course it must shut up immediately and behave.
There are still a TON of churches and faith based shelters helping folks out jez, don't lump them all in the same basket.
We provide first-class medical treatment to an 'apparent deserter'? We truly have gone mad /sarc.
I would be more pissed about how the neolibs/cons started the GWOT for profit and got away with it; killing scores of innocent civilians, destabilized entire regions without prosecution than a soldier who came to his senses and wanted to stop playing the puppet. As a matter of fact every single person serving in the military ought to be protesting by refusing to deploy due to it's blatant misuse as a mercenary force for the rich, about how we lost much of our freedoms, how unconstitutional wars (You like the constitution, I presume?)are being started constantly to destabilize legitimate governments we don't like , and how the MIC is treating the DOD like a cash cow.
Funny how some people cherry pick certain issues while ignoring the importance of the big picture.
Hey white dude!
How many children you have?
OOOOO say your wife has to work through her most fertile years to build a career and pay on those student loans?
You got one precious child, yes? While Shaquiiita La Tondra has 9? That you paid for? LOL!
How's that working out for ya?
And La Toya de Mexico is here with her brood...and they are feeding and breeding...
You're worried about one man who said FUCK IT?
How about the ONLY man who refused to wear the helmut of the UN back Kosovo way?
It's funny how you all know war is a racket, yet you run your face cunt on a man who said no more.
I didn't 'serve' so my opinion means shit? Yea?
Read Fred Reeds column and get back to me.
Dammit they terk my err.
Whatever.
Hey, read this.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Bergdahl.shtml
Run your face cunt on the man if, and only if, you are going out tommow to sign up to kill browns for the banksters.
We know the score...he figured it out in process.
With respect to grunk, Obama WILL last. Have you not talked to his voting base lately? They haven't changed one iota. They're still 'all in'. And that's because Obama was going to be 'the One'. The guy who would at last show everyone that Liberalism/Marxism worked. The guy to get rid of Capitalism, Democracy, American leadership, the Right, God, religion, class warfare, the rich, corporations, individual thought, and free market policies.
Unfortunately, Obama and his policies have been a total - TOTAL disaster. But the Left have nowhere to go now that they've totally committed themselves to this fool. So they're going to take us all down with them in a blaze of ignorant glory.
This is just the beginning, folks. You think it's bad now. Wait till you see where we are in 5 years.
With over 40% of the country on welfare, we are already caring for just about everyone.
Grunk what the hell does this have to do with Obama? Im no Obama fan, but this stuff has been goig on for DECADES. Obama is just the next butt in the big red leather chair in the oval office. If no where else but ZH, people should understand that.
If you feed the homeless, that would be in conflict with the government's plan to make them utterly dependent on the government.
In other words, stay the hell off the government's turf, or you'll be prosecuted.
There is only one acceptable dependency and that is upon the government. There is only one freedom left and that is the freedom to do what we are told and the freedom to be punished if we don't.
I am grateful to be free to be a serf.
Thank you master, whoever you are.
NoDebt - Yes that is it exaclty and the article mentions the same. The political class feels threatened so provide benefits to illegals that vote which to any lawful nation insane but penalize a private citizens from feeding the homeless. Here is one area I will follow Ch1's advice and disobey.
If I ever needed a job do you really think an employer won't hire you becuae you were fined for charity? It also is another way to collect taxes by fine. Heinous. Take care of your fellow American. This awful phase will pass your countrymen will still be here.
"If I ever needed a job do you really think an employer won't hire you becuae you were fined for charity?"
Yes. Sorry, but yes.
Depending on the job, even a misdemeanor conviction (above a parking or speeding ticket) can jeopradize your employment chances. Most jobs it won't. Some you'll at least have to have a conversation about it. A few you won't even be considered and you'll never know why.
That's why passing illegal laws matters.
Still, I agree. I'd do it anyway, if you are so inclined, regardless of the modest risks involved.
Dom Helder Camara, Catholic archbishop in Brazil during the military regime there in the 60s & 70s, said, "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
So why is it not illegal for ICE/DHS to feed and shelter illegal immigrants? Many times in my life I have left a restaurant and had leftovers that I would give to some homeless person on the street. They always seemed grateful. The day some fuck head cop tries to cite me for this act of kindness is the day that I become a criminal.
Edit: Eric Holder just notified me that only right wing terrorists wlll be prosecuted under these laws.
Congratulations. You're now a right wing terrorist. Just like the rest of us.
You didn't expect that on a sleepy Friday evening, did you? Well, suck it up, friend. YOU AND ME are the enemy. We always were, they just hadn't invented the laws yet to prosecute us under. Now they got 'em.
you already are a criminal. read three felonies a day
>gov > is about to be prosecuted.
This shit is laughable! What happens when the "food chain" stops for the " GOVROIDS"?
I fucking swear Putin is laughing because the USSA has become post "Stalin Russia'! These fucks are testing us!
Stalin actually was very good dictator for us,Russian, we proud of him,but West blame him on everything - like now - Putin and sanctions...
LOL dude you're not Russian...
I'm American and know how to spot "SPOR".
AHAHAHAH, LOL....
I feel that i need to type some artical about Russia,USSR of russian point of view, because your historic lessons in school about Russia - is a peace of crap.
What goes around, comes around.
Four municipalities (Raleigh, N.C.; Myrtle Beach, S.C.; Birmingham, Ala.; and Daytona Beach, Fla.) have recently gone as far as to fine, remove or threaten to throw in jail private groups that work to serve food to the needy instead of letting government-run services do the job.
Because they know that the more something is subsidized the more there will be in need of subsidy. These cities want less needy people not more. They don't want to be known as "good" cities for people wanting to be homeless to congregate.
These cities want less needy people not more.
I don't give a shit. NO ONE has a right to tell me I can't feed a hungry person.
The state is not God - the state is a barbaric beast that we are taught to worship in conditioning centers called "school."
I don't disagree, just saying, that is what they, "think".
Ah... cool, then. :)
Hold on the homeless are terrirrists cause their presence terrorizes the top 1% and if you feed them you are aiding and abeting the terrorists and thus you too sir are a terrorist. Good thing they got Guantanamo still up and running to cage a Gorilla like yourself, you are a public menace.
Plus....the biggest terrorist trait they exhibit?
Homeless are "off grid"....by default.
I would be honored to go to jail for feeding a hungry person. My religion tells me I'm supposed to do things like that.
Really. What are you in for man?
Oh, I was feeding the homeless again.
You just don't get government logic. If you make it illegal to feed the homeless then, obviously, the problem goes away. Just like if you make it illegal to help someone having a heart attack, the problem goes away. I can think of a few more examples where this could be applied but maybe I should keep them to myself.
Miffed;-)
Radioactivity induced cancer and radiation sickness about to be strictly forbidden?! ;-)
Yeah, this is Amerikan exceptionalism! A nation of cruel and barbaous folk. This is a country whose policies clearly show that politics is the last refuge of scoundrels. Only a nation full of sick fucks would let this happen.
"A nation of cruel and barbaous folk."
Go stick that knife in the proper ribcage. Americans are some of the most kind, forgiving, compassionate people you will ever meet.
That's why the government steps in to do the wet work for us. Thank God for big brother governement, or none of us would be able to manage our own affairs.
If it weren't for government protections and centralization, you'd be starving to death in a company town right now.
Face it: you're pretty much worthless. The market value of you, or any other particular human being, is about zero. You are all interchangeable; you are a commodity. Without artificial protections, i.e. humanist, i.e. valuing human beings in way that is unconnected from their economic (read: capitalist) worth, you'd basically have been flushed down a toilet somewhere a long, long time ago, in a coal mine far, far away.
Battling against a single company vs. battling against an entire sovereign government? I'll take my chances without "government assistance" to protect me. Thanks just the same.
The awesome thing is that it doesn't have to be (and will not be) one or the other... Nonetheless, he has a point... it's six of one, half dozen of another in regards to the vast majority of us. At some fundamental level, the government represents a degree of collective bargaining.
LOL.....what a fucktard utopian pile of SHIT that was!
Applies then to you - so you shat on your damn self.
Only a drunk CUNT would spew that shit on here.
Again...SOBER UP MOTHERFUCKER
After reading that rant it appears he lives in a locale where pot has been legalized.
Americans "let" this happen..... Like any other country of the world "lets" it's citizens do as they please.
We all have government and we largely all do as we are told. Of course there are always the prisons for the more "free" souls.
The pathology of Control always exposes itself, eventually...
It's not fascinating, but expected, to see its rise to high places (done), but still unchecked in the lower ones...
This is the true enemy of America, and it should be getting easier to recognize.
Nuke all the lawyers and tie the system into hell! Lawyers are clowns with certificates anyways!
Better yet NUKE LLC's and LLP's that are non manufacturing entities!
Profit is determined by how high up the pyramid you are. Lawyers are near the top as a group.
Oldwood, bless your wisdom. Profit is based on "performance".
Take no unborn baby performance!
not even close. but they protect the top from anyone wanting access. they are high level gate keepers to access those with real power.
@ teslaberry shit or get off the pot!
Some are... some continuously fight the other gate keepers... people want to talk about how greedy and crooked lawyers are and how much they just want to please their corporate overlords, but I'm guessing the tobacco companies aren't too happy after that lawsuit... I think you're painting with too broad of a brush.
PS, politicians aren't lawyers... they're just folks who padded their resumes with law degrees.
The purpose of any centralization is to eliminate any outside power threat. This trend has been big in business as well as government and any mention of it should be treated as a serious threat to freedom.
Most of you blathering individualist types wouldn't last two days if you had the type of "freedom" that you imagine. You're like snails that feel encumbered by your shells. You'd end up like a geek in a UFC cage: toast, in seconds.
A brief thought experiment shows the true value of the "freedom" you imagine:
Go into a field, all by yourself, and create some wealth. You cannot take anything with you unless you have previously created it, with your own hands, in the middle of a field, all by yourself.
Get back to us on that, if you can find your way back before you starve. No, you cannot phone a friend. You've got to do it alone.
That's "freedom." Everything else is propaganda. What you really want is the "freedom" to prey on other people. But the humanist project will not let you do that. It is the wave. You are only the scum on its surface.
True enough. We all know all wealth is created by the state and those greedy enough to work for it are morally deficient.
Go back to your Star Trek movies.
Or some cheap B-class http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5 crapola?
what if i want to phone a friend to just talk. not ask for help or anything. just catch up on everything that i may have missed. can i phone a friend for that? It's a technicality, but an important one.
Nothing worse than a moron who thinks he is intelligent...
stop...you normally post lucid, well thought out comments.
Not this time.
Fuck You for that last spat of ass-holiness.
Sober up asshole.
I don't even know how to respond to such fucktardness.
A history perhaps of your field in some parts of America.
http://www.mpaulkeeslerbooks.com/Potash.html
I can till the land from what remains just fine.
Don't assume that your audience cannot do just what you imply.
The problem with your scenario is the same problem capitalists have with the foundation of their economic system, the field is already owned by someone else (among many other issues). Even if you wanted to be productive while on the field, you'll have to deal with a few millenia of predecessors... and, in the distribution of the spoils of production, capital always gets the lion's share. Best of luck reaching escape velocity.
Thus, the reason why you're getting junked so much isn't that you're wrong... it's that the common definition of freedom is something much less absolute... resembling something of a consolation prize or novelty. "I have the freedom to watch 300 channels of propaganda."
"A brief thought experiment"
A Straw Man in briefs is more like it. Reducto ad absurdum.
Now take 20 families and all their possessions (which they purchased with their own labor) and set out in a wagon train to find a pleasant valley with good land and water that no one has previously settled.
When you get there survey and divide the valley into plots that can support a family farm, then draw lots to see who gets what. Once settled, everyone get to work building the first couple of farms which can feed everyone until the other farms are established. Any shortfall can be made up from hunting and fishing until herds and flocks are established. Once food is secured, individuals or groups can set to work building a church, hardware store, blacksmith shop, etc, as the needs and inclinations arise.
Freedom of Association is the cornerstone. Freedom to join the group, freedom to leave if you don't like the terms. Simplistic, yes, but a better example of how freedom works in practice that what you propose.
BTW, these farmers are all armed, so by all means go it on your own, but prepare to be met with force if you try to take what's theirs.
Heh.... how the West Was Won: 301. (4 credits)
Now do your homework! There'll be a test on Monday.
The private feeding of the homeless show the failure of the government systems. The beneficent providence of government is the lie the government cannot let be debunked. Truth, the enemy of their lie, must be hidden.
Blame the right for that. They are the ones that refuse to tax the hoarders of wealth in order to finance a just society.
90% of America's financial wealth is held by the top 5%, who DID NOT EARN IT. They did not produce wealth; they merely appropriated for themselves a larger share of the pie, without increasing the size of the pie. And 90% of them are in the financial sector, and 90% of those live in New York City.
Top 5% huh?
And this is why the world is as fucked as it is. Ignorance.
Not just ignorance...stupidity also plays a major role in our being fucked. God knows there's already more than enough of both to sink the ship.
Ignorance can be cured with education. Stupidity, OTOH is a terminal disease.
Truth is that the right doesn't need the left and the left would be nothing without the right. Society would not exist without the solid, upright conservative, salt of the earth folks. They do not need the rest of humanity which only wishes to feed off of them.
Ants and grasshoppers, grasshoppers and ants.
The problem is the right generally contains the salt of the earth types who produce. The left, the " educated" intelligencia. Educated individuals have accepted learning from those above them so they are more likely to be influenced, indoctrinated and thus coerced( Albert Speer comes to mind).
The producers are more suspicious by nature because they live in the real world not one of concepts. So there is a natural conflict and disrespect for one another. TPTB understand this and know the problem lies ultimately with the right not the left.
Miffed;-)
"In 33 U.S. Cities, Feeding The Homeless Has Been Criminalized"
unless you feed them bankers.
:)
Empty calories.
Yeah, but supersize it anyway.
Raise the "service tax bitchez"! Assholes(professional services)
are a dime a dozen!
Uhh Huhh.
by Richard Riis
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/16/1194591/-In-Houston-It-s-Illega...
I think Austin has the same type of law. All those California peeples who moved into Austin and Houston hate those beggers coming up to them in the street looking hungry and filthy... Yuk!. ... and yet they found the money to build a multi-million dollar fancy race track:
Texas racetrack owners eye new revenue stream | June 9, 2014 | Updated: June 9, 2014http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Texas-racetrack-owners-eye-new-r...
Not all of CA hates homeless. I presume you have not been to San Fran.
I sense there are those who hate them and those who are them.
stopthejunk1 @ The cardboard boxes on Market Street? Been there done that.
No one care about one homeless person being fed. Its when 500 of them show up in the park to be fed for free. Then you get.the drug.dealers, needles on the he ground, homeless passed out on the ground and trash all over.
Then parents come to use the park for a birthday party with h all the special people hanging around. Normal people don't feel safe. Kids cannot play there. The park and the near by neighborhood are shunned by the people paying for it.
Starve the homeless...for the kids.
That's a new twist on the old stand by.
Kudos.
Those homeless might steal the birthday goodie bags. Then what would the moms do?
Let them eat birthday cake!
"Political power... is quite intentionally trying to corral the homeless into the centralized bureaucratic channels over which it has total control. "
This is a laughable claim. There is clearly no effort to centralize control over the homeless. That's like saying that "no littering" signs are trying to "centralize" garbage collection. Uh, no they're not... they're just trying to eliminate blight.
Personally, I'd ignore these signs and give money, food or help to whomever I damn well please. But that doesn't change the fact that, once again, the writer of this article is a nitwit. There do seem to be an AWFUL lot of nitwit contributors to ZH lately.
There is no need for a corral when you have opening feeding troughs and a life time dependency. Political power is defined by those empowered by it. The homeless and needy cast a vote as valid as any millionaire.
If I had the money, I would go to each one of these 33 states and setup buffet tables in the park.
Yes, let's criminalize compassion and legalize criminality. Wall Street and .gov can pillage our savings but we can't give to those in need.
So proud to be an American! But hey, at least we don't have spikes in the ground yet where the homeless sleep (yet).
Excuse me! Aren't you the " Bay Watch" dude?
Yes, I am the David of Hassel Hoff. I spend my money on booze. I soon will be homeless. Please feed me. I'll teach you how to resuscitate a drowning bimbo.
Does your daughter have a boyfriend? (awkward)
I was going to eat you for lunch. Life's too short and I'm hunting banksters...
"If I had the money, I would go to each one of these 33 states and setup buffet tables in the park."
Naww. Set them up on the steps of the legislature and chamber of commerce and invite everyone to strap on a nose bag.
Oh, hey... speaking of free food:
http://caravan.calgarystampede.com
Land Of The Fee, Home Of The Slave.
I always prefer to give people food before money. If anyone tries to stop me from doing so, they will be their food on a very cold dish of revenge.
So what? Gov't prohibition has yet to prevent prostition, heron, child porn, and rats on ships.
You presuppose the government is trying to "fix the problem". They are not. They are trying to make the government the only allowable place to turn to request help. Which will be metered out as they so choose, in a timeframe of their choosing, and with stipulations on that help attached as they see fit.
It is about CONTROL. Not about fixing or improving anything.
True that, ND. I do not disagree; however, my point was that gov't prohibition would not prevent individuals from finding a solution to their desired behaviors.
Ummm.... I hate to disagree with somebody who's making an honest effort to see my point of view. This might sting a bit, but it's for your own good.
The government (as it is currently run) wants to be the ONLY solution. They hate individuals finding effective, crafty, local solutions. You might be helping, but you're not helping THEM.
It interferes with their power. If YOU can fix it yourself you don't need them. They're all about you needing them.
Hand out food to the homeless and you'll shut you dowm for sanitation reasons, permits and all manner of insanity that no normal person would ever expect to run up against who's just trying to help out others in need. Pretty quick you start askng "do they NOT want me to help others out??" The answer is yes. They do NOT want you helping others out. Then you start asking "why"? It gets uglier from there.
I do not disagree with you; however, you still fail to grasp my point: It doesn't matter what gov't wants, people are still going to find a way to do as they damn well please. It might take more effort, but it will still get done (note the vices I've listed above).
Now that's used to promote GDP!
That is sickening.