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Ukraine PM Warns "Prepare For Russian Gas Cutoff On Monday"

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Having set a deadline of June 16 (next Monday) for pre-payment of gas supplies from Russia to Ukraine, it appears Ukraine officials are willing to take the pain of no energy instead of paying what Gazprom is asking:


The last negotiation had Ukraine willing to pay $326 and Russia asking $385, which Ukraine said "was not a market price." There are more problems for Europe though as Ukraine's PM has ordered the national regulator to revise 'transportation tariffs' for Russian gas via Ukraine (i.e. to Europe).


No deal...




And so...


As Novinite reports, negotiations are not going well,

Ukraine announced it would agree to pay USD 326 per 1000 cubic meters of gas following a three-way Brussels meeting over the dispute with Russia.


State-owned energy utility Naftogaz's CEO Andrey Kobolev said the price, which was offered by the EU, a mediator in talks between Kiev and Moscow, was acceptable, according to RIA Novosti.


This would however be a provisional step, with Kobolev describing it as a measure for "an interim 18-month period" during an arbitration procedure in Stockholm.


A potential breakthrough is now in sight after Ukraine turned down a fresh Russian proposal earlier this week which included a USD 100 worth reduction of the price Kiev is to pay for 1000 cubic meters.


This would have set the price at USD 385, which is still USD 100 up from what former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych had managed to agree with Moscow. But a month after he left the country amid episodes of violence in the streets of Kiev, Gazprom introduced a 80% hike for Naftogaz and warned it would introduce prepayment for supplies (and thus virtually disrupt them) if the utility does not deliver on its debts to the Russian counterpart.


The current price is set at USD 485, an amount that Ukraine categorically refuses to pay. Russia, on the other hand, has claimed the total debt accumulated (partially as a result of Kiev's rebuff) is over USD 4 B.


Kiev's previous offer (rejected by Gazprom), on the other hand, was USD 268.5. In Kobolev's words, the price of USD 326 per 1000 cubic meters was just "the average" between Ukrainian demands and the status quo.


Gazprom is yet to comment on whether it would also agree to slash its latest proposal.


The Russian energy giant meanwhile announced it was still waiting for the transfer of a USD 1.9 B worth chunk of Ukraine's gas debt by June 16.

And so Ukraine is preparing for the worst case...

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk instructs Naftogaz to file for international arbitration in Stockholm against Gazprom, according to statement on govt website.

Ukraine needs economically justified rate for gas transit

Yatsenyuk: “As the Russian Federation purposefully and unilaterally refuses to settle the conflict, energy security of Ukraine and the EU is undermined”


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Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:55 | 4852831 eaglerock
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Market price?  If you were in a desert dying of thirst, what would the market price of a bottle of water be?  Exactly what bargaining power does Ukraine have?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4852847 Time for Titus
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They can threaten to stand down their FSA.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4852919 knukles
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Man o Chevas, this is turning into one massive global clusterfuck thanks muchly Fearless Messiah
Keep on Kumbayan'

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:20 | 4852985 Impoverished Ps...
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Dig in Knucks... winter is coming.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:32 | 4853039 DaddyO
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The winter of discontent swiftly followed by the American spring...

So what happens when the eyes of the world are diverted to the growing humanitarian crisis along the US border.

What happens when these new Americans decide they want to ally with Mexico and decide to vote to that end.

Is Nuland going to say F'em and spill 5 billion in CIA funds to quell the unrest?

Methinks not...

This Ukrainian outcome is her shining monument to the growing pile of evidence to US complicity in this debacle.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:42 | 4853104 Latina Lover
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I guess this is what you call an Ukrainian threesome:

Sucking USA dick real hard, as you get it up the rear, Russian Style.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:46 | 4853139 Latina Lover
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The Nuland/Nudelmaners are pushing Ukraine to commit economic suicide to fuck with Russia.  From the USSA perspective, this is a no lose proposition since either way they get to screw the Slavic sub human.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:01 | 4853262 Impoverished Ps...
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We need some T-shirts printed up...


'I was sacrificed in a US proxy war




Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:29 | 4853475 ilion
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I don't understand the childish whining of Ukrainians. Just pay the gas bill and let everyone go on with their lives.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:12 | 4853837 Latina Lover
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It is easy to understand their mentality, the ukie leadership are like USSA ziocons,  entitled, self centered, spoiled, criminal bitchez.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:39 | 4853550 Pure Evil
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Did anyone notice that Nafto-gas is just one letter away from Nato-gas?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:10 | 4853314 Antifaschistische
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I'm not good at this there a way to take a long position on Ukrainian Fire Wood?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:59 | 4852855 Winston of Oceania
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They are the gatekeeper of pipelines to the EU, shut off Ukraine gas and forefit transit rights. EU will have no gas either which will get things going in a hurry, hard to say what happens from there but aggression from Russia will not be well met.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:03 | 4852884 Winston Churchill
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The EU just needs to pay Ukraines gas bill.

Its as simple as that,except they are broke,just as Ukraine is.

Everybody wants Ukraine,but nobody is willing to pay for it.

Putin already has.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4852932 knukles
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Weeeeellllllll... Gazprom said the other day they'd take Euros, so no biggadeal.  Print.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:13 | 4852942 MeMongo
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Hook line and sinker! Putin is sitting back casually sliding the chess pieces, and even now Iran is making our puffer in chief look bad. They announced today that they will militariy engae the U.S funded alciada along their borders! This just effectively kicked the tribe in the nuts cuz it gives the U.S even less reason to attack Iran! 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:25 | 4853015 Canadian Dirtlump
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Just think, the new leader of Ukraine, the willy wonka of kiev, can burn candy to keep things going.



Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:25 | 4853018 Ghordius
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Putin got Crimea, didn't he? How much is Crimea worth? btw, there is a brand new charter flight from Moscow to Crimea ready for the summer vacation season

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:44 | 4853125 Canadian Dirtlump
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Unless I missed something, crimea voluntarily seceded and aceded in a legal manner not unlike kosovo. In addition Russia had already paid for the leasing of the port facliities.

Lest we forget, Crimea was given to then Ukraine as a member of the USSR for administrative reasons and was only removed from Russian control when the USSR unneccesarily fell apart after Yelstin the drunk bum sold out LOL.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 07:16 | 4856180 Antifaschistische
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"except they are broke"    -    except when it comes to military spending...then, we can burn 20 billion or so pretending to protect the Ukraine.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:00 | 4852857 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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It may be easy to sneer at the price this summer...

...a cold winter may bring a different attitude.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:35 | 4853521 Oliver Jones
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Not only that...

Winter gas pipeline supply is not enough to meet demand, either. Countries need to have gas storage to meet demand in the middle of winter - and if they haven't been stocking up on gas over the summer, those reserves aren't going to be available in the winter.

Russia is playing the long game, and they're not just playing to win; they're playing for keeps.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:02 | 4852873 El Vaquero
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Exactly what bargaining power does Ukraine have?

They think the US is going to save them?  They think the US will export nat gas to them? Of course, at real market rates, this would be @2x-3x the price, and we had to import nat gas last year.  In other words, short term, there is something that we could work out.  Long term, they toe Russia's line or they're fucked.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:13 | 4852940 knukles
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Pretty please with some Ukrainian hookers and blow on top?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:48 | 4853159 Canadian Dirtlump
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the facilities to do so are years away.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:34 | 4853996 SDShack
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Here's my answer Senator Ukraine... NOTHING!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:10 | 4852914 Smegley Wanxalot
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. . . . "Exactly what bargaining power does Ukraine have?"


Simple: "You will accept what we offer, or we will make our West Ukrainian people who hate your fucking Russian guts go without A/C in summer, freeze in the winter, not be able to go to work, and they will starve because we cant get them food that hasn't perished."

You don't see how much leverage there is against Russia in a threat like that?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:14 | 4852946 CrimsonAvenger
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Ironically, that would work like a charm against the US administration. "People are not going to like us? Oh nooooooooooo!"

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:19 | 4852975 shovelhead
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So take that,!

C'mon Obama, open up that checkbook. Your new pals are counting on you.

The ECB is looking for change in the sofa.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:45 | 4853596 Pure Evil
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Not to be what Otto Skorzeny called a "contrarian dickhead", but if they have no money for gas then where's the money to come from to kill pesky ruskies in E. Ukraine?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4853005 Urban Redneck
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No air conditioning in Europe in summer and the lights going dark at night in the "civilized" urban jungles. With the Russians... not so much.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:38 | 4853093 bam
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WTF? Not market price? Execuse me:

BID: 326$

ASK: 385$

this is the motherfucking market right there! oh wait, there's only 1 supplier? i guess you gotta pay the ask. ROFL?


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:53 | 4853201 bonin006
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eaglerock - Bloomberg says the current NG price in the USA is $4.75, so WTF are they whining about $3.85?

The $2.85 they used to pay was because they were giving Russia a port in the Crimea. I guess they didn't think about that before letting the Nazi's take over.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:09 | 4853312 rubiconsolutions
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Long FWOD (Firewood)

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4852840 Time for Titus
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$hit's gettin' real in Ukraine.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4852841 jal
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I think that the demand is outstripping the ....

The price of energy is not going down

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:00 | 4853256 alexcojones
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But chocolate is a good source of energy, right?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4852844 dsty
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seems to be going as planned

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4852848 Winston Churchill
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Add mail order brides into GDP, should make up the difference.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:00 | 4852858 NOZZLE
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Good, that and the tanks, heavy arms, manpads and anything else Putin can send to slaughter the Nazi filth enabled by our fucked up State Department would be fantastic.

The fucking media has hidden the butchery conducted by the Nazi filth enabled by our fucked up State Department first in Odessa and later in Donbass where they are targeting women and children for no strategic purpose other than to sow terror.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:02 | 4852880 Winston of Oceania
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Does your first name start with a D?

The Russian dictator has blood on his hands as well.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:08 | 4852908 NOZZLE
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No it does not, but you when you can offer an explanation for the destruction of Serbia and Kosovo by the US other than the lies spread at the time maybe I will listen.  Till then, clean up your own backyard and stop lecturing others on your so called democracy.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4852933 Duffy Duck
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I'm new here, but - you appear to be a god damned uninformed idiot parroting State Dept/NYT talking points like we haven't heard them all.

If you posit that Putin has "blood on his hands," which is hard to dispute, I hope you'll accept that Obama, and Bush before him, are swimming in blood.

With Ukraine, Russia at least has a cognizable national security and national (as in the Russian people in borderlands) interest.

WTF vital interest do you think the US has, asshole, other than $ supremacy and NATO encirclement?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:15 | 4852951 Winston of Oceania
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You have some Putin dripping off your chin...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:18 | 4852970 Duffy Duck
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Hackneyed and homophobic all at once!  Good for you - you really showed me!  I've sure learned not to tangle with someone of your intellectual capacity and wit!



Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:20 | 4852981 Winston of Oceania
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How would I know what your sexual preference is or what sex you are. Go back to the bottled Ivan...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:37 | 4853086 simplejack
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how much do you get paid for this type of work?  can I get a job too?


is it nice getting paid to let other people tell you what to think?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:20 | 4854510 RafterManFMJ
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What's worse is when you PAY someone to tell you what to think; when you pay someone to lie to you, and to subvert your life and family. I like to call these people 'cable subscribers.' You might even know or be related to some of this filth.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:24 | 4853010 Bioscale
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Tyler, would you please delete this motherfucker?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:50 | 4853184 Gadfly
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I second the motion.  There has to be some limits.  This troll/idiot masquerading as a human being spews only hatred and raw emotion, no supportable facts.     

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:59 | 4853601 matrix2012
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Winston of Oceania



Chief Kessler

Phuk u





Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:07 | 4853794 Phuk u
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Oooooh ! Look at that I have made the troll list.

And just who the phuk are you Matrix ? You decide

who is a troll and who isnt ?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:57 | 4853707 Winston of Oceania
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Why because I don't agree with you, filthy communist...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:10 | 4854470 Volkodav
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You obviously do not know what is communist...

better worry about your own country.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 16:32 | 4854755 Winston of Oceania
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I am worried about my own country especially with obumbles around. At least you are honest enough to admit you are Russian but please do not imply that Putin is anything less than a dictator because I am quite aware of what communists are. They are the commisars who gunned down the Russians who would not fight during WWII, and the ones who imprisoned those who had the misfortune to be in a command that surrendered or just for being afraid that the Soviet Union would lose to the Germans. All that matters to me is Liberty and I do not think Mr Putin has a care for that at all.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4853055 McMolotov
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Tired and lame. Jesus effing Christ, is this the best you have? The standard response to calling out Uncle Sam's bullshit in Ukraine is to imply that anyone not marching lockstep with the US wants to make teh buttsecks with Putin. It's like calling all of Obama's critics racist.

Like I said, it's tired and lame, and every single one of you coup supporters falls back on the same exact insult. As the duck said above, middle school comebacks only make you look like a blithering idiot who's trying to discuss matters outside his intellectual capacity.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:14 | 4853353 El Vaquero
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Exactly.  Putin is formidable.  You'd be a fool to deny that.  But he's also a statist, and he makes no bones about it.  I trust him to do what he thinks is best for Russia, and I trust him to do what he thinks is best for Putin.  It should also be pointed out that we have put him in the role of the good guy, through no fault of his own.  So, how would he act if the tables were turned?  So I'll sit here, hoping that Putin continues to not be a jackass and wishing that the US wasn't a jackass.  Given my own country's track record, I think we're going to continually be "forcing" Putin into the good guy role, and he's smart enough to take us up on the offer.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:02 | 4853267 Savyindallas
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They don't just swim in blood  -they drink it. They, their successors and their owners will be drinking ours too  -goddam vampires.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:09 | 4852866 Kaiser Sousa
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"it is said that revenge is a dish best served COLD...."


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:03 | 4852878 q99x2
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I think I have a pink shut-off notice too and I'm not even fighting to take over Russia.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4852887 Winston of Oceania
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Who is trying to take over Russia? Do you think Ukraine is only a part of Russia?


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:32 | 4853058 knukles
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Oh, come on Winston.  His dick is bigger than Putin's.  What else is there left to conquer?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4854155 deKevelioc
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May I suggest going back to your television set and leave the discussion?  We can get this garbage from any bar room.  What made you think you can just come into zerohedge and shoot off your peasant mouth?  Now, go get your scratch ticket and 6-pack and shut up.  You're a living eyesore.  

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:05 | 4852885 Smegley Wanxalot
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Ukraine:  "We negotiated with the EU that we should only pay Gazprom $326 and no more, so Gazprom must accept this."

Yeah, makes sense.  I also negotiated with my dad out in california that I should pay only $4 a month for cable, internet, and all my porn channels in Texas, so Time Warner must accept that.  See how that works?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:14 | 4852947 Winston of Oceania
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Only difference is that you don't have your Dad's balls/ Putins pipelines in your hands. Or do you?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:26 | 4853021 Duffy Duck
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Jeezus, what are you, a closeted gay 10th grader with this shit?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:26 | 4853022 Duffy Duck
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Jeezus, what are you, a closeted gay 10th grader with this shit?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:27 | 4853026 Duffy Duck
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Jeezus, what are you, a closeted gay 10th grader with this shit?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:27 | 4853027 Duffy Duck
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Jeezus, what are you, a closeted gay 10th grader with this shit?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:03 | 4852886 goldhedge
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Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4853105 Hulk
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Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:05 | 4852895 Dr. Engali
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Uhhmmm... It's Russia's fucking gas and they will charge whatever they deem necessary. 

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4852912 Winston of Oceania
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Pipelines run through Ukraine, possession is 9/10ths isn't it? Russia cannot afford to lose all/much of Europe's business. They should consider the wholesale destruction of the pipelines so that the gas comes back to Europe from elsewhere than Russia.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:15 | 4852953 kowalli
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Europe can't get anywhere gas at that price and volume, so they freeze in the winter...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:15 | 4852956 Duffy Duck
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possession wasn't 9/10ths to the indigenous population of Palestine, was it?

Europe can find new supplies and Russia can find new buyers.

Naturally, all the US/NATO/Saudi/Israeli fuckery is preventing the Iran to Syria pipeline, so I guess you're hoping like hell Israel can start selling its gas from Leviathan sooner rather than later, eh?

You probably think Russia drew its borders to be right near all those US and NATO bases, don't you?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:17 | 4852965 kowalli
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Europe can't find new supplies for this volume, just do some math =)

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:29 | 4853035 Duffy Duck
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I guess we'll see if they have no way of making up 1/3 of their supply or not over the next 6 months or so.

Of course - a variety of factors may make gas transit problematic in general ...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:46 | 4853141 kowalli
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First they need to build infrastructure for lng or something similar to get gas  - it's simple more than 5 years...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:21 | 4853417 El Vaquero
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Even if the infrastructure existed to ship that much LNG to Europe, who are they going to get it from?  The US imported natural gas last year.  Yes, we also exported some, but the point is that supplies are not very elastic.  If Russia needs to, it can start putting its energy exports towards developing its own internal infrastructure while Europe freezes next winter.  Russia has options.  Europe does not.  This goes beyond infrastructure.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:18 | 4852972 angel_of_joy
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You are a moron. and I have only two words for you:



Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:34 | 4853069 marriedgeordie
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What Southstream? This fucker is DEAD, and you'd know it if you checked the news.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:40 | 4853100 Duffy Duck
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Using  "moron" already, eh?  Apart from your ignorance about the probable fate of southstream, this also suggests you are both immature and obtuse.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:22 | 4853004 Dr. Engali
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Russia is not going to lose any of Europe's business. Europe needs gas and Russia has it. There is no place else for your turn to.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4853083 marriedgeordie
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Let us get back to this five years from now, doctor..

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:16 | 4853373 Uncle Remus
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Yes let's do, but enjoy the Stone Age in the interim.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:25 | 4853448 marriedgeordie
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True, Russia will quickly be in stone age if it stops selling its gas to Europe...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:30 | 4854552 RafterManFMJ
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Please, is there some way, and I mean ANY WAY that the .gov can use this crisis to fuck the common peasants of Amurika with higher nat. gas / oil prices?

I know, let's fast-track a few LNG terminals and then pay to ship rapidly declining nat gas production to Europe!

That way we can impoverish the ever declining number of working men with higher gas bills, empty the gas fields EVEN FASTER and put the kibosh on any positive follow on effects of lower heating bills this winter!

Fuck I feel so full of pride I'm off to the official Church of the Fascist State - that's right, a professional sporting event!

I'm going to get my special ladyfriend a see-through purse, get my balls played with by security, cheer as weapons of mass murder fly over, and sing the National Slave Song!

Come on! Let's all go! I'll drive so that just one of us gets a DUI and pays the fascist state another 10K for a victimless crime! Wheeeeeeeee!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4853079 beaglebog
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"possession is 9/10 of the law"


I think that this alludes to the "law" being 9/10 concerned with the title to property.


The "law" as practised today, has very little to say about actual crime.




Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4853080 rwe2late
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Winston of Fantasia,

The EU pays Ukraine a contracted transit fee to have EU-purchased Russian gas pass through the pipelines in Ukraine.

If Ukraine refuses to allow transit for EU-purchased gas,

then it is UKRAINE that has cut off the EU from gas, and NOT Russia.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:35 | 4853518 rwe2late
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According to Wikipedia:

"Ukraine remains the main transit route for Russian natural gas sold to Europe, which earns Ukraine about $3 billion a year in transit fees, making it the country’s most lucrative export service."

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:43 | 4854042 Peanut Butter E...
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Wrong! Russia can afford to lose EU client base after signing of 30 years energy deal with China which allows Russia to expand client base to SK, Jp and IN. The next guy EU can buy from has a gas price 2x what Russians charge.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4852938 Peter Pan
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Is it Ukraine or the USA offering only $326?

Pretty soon Ukranian tourists to Europe and elsewhere will be returning home with gas cylinders as part of their duty free shopping.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:14 | 4852945 beaglebog
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It's exquisite timing ... just as AQ begin to threaten the supply of Iraqui oil.


Either Europe forks out the dosh for Ukraine to meet Russia's price  ... or the Ukrainians will siphon off European' gas, creating a shortfall.  That will surely sour the relationship between Ukraine and its handlers in Europe.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:16 | 4852960 One of We
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Ukraine PM says fair gas price specified in a note from his mother.....

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:16 | 4852962 vyeung
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Ukraine is pathetic with its new fascist government. Pay up, you still owe money from your old gas bills. If it was any of us, the gas would have been cut long ago.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:18 | 4852974 marriedgeordie
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Ukraine paid up at the old price - check the news. Whatever the Russian government wants now is Putin's fantasy, so Ukraine does not have to pay... And FUCK you for calling Ukrainian government fascist, you ignorant piece of shit.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:30 | 4853042 Duffy Duck
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I think you meant "Fuck the EU"

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:51 | 4853189 Peter Pan
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I thought that the Ukranian government was proud of its fascist credentials. I guess their WWII history and current acts of aggression have been misrepresented and misunderstood.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:28 | 4853469 marriedgeordie
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If Ukraine's government is fascist, how come no European fascists support Ukraine's new authorities? Quite the contrary, they are jerking off to Putin's picture every day! So, which one of the two is fascist now? This site has the dumbest trolls ever, confirmed.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:06 | 4854174 SilvertonguedAngel
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Maa'm would you please shut yer dirty BJ hole?


The spunk on your breath is really fouling the air.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:17 | 4852963 marriedgeordie
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well done, Arseniy - finally Ukrainian government realizes that technically Russia and Ukraine hold each other by the balls. also, how about Russians throw in a well-sealed border from their side to make sure tanks, APCs full of Chechens, and other shit stops coming to Ukraine?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:26 | 4853023 marriedgeordie
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What's with the downvotes - you are against peace? I thought people here are so fucking afraid of the next world war that any efforts to seal peace should be welcomed.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:44 | 4854057 AvoidingTaxation
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Afraid of what? To die? Would you settle for an injust peace? Who is waging war? Who is killing? Who is killed?

Frankly I've never seen a thread so polluted by trolls. Probably more laser focused, debt paid, psyops operatives.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:14 | 4853357 shovelhead
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You got it wrong.

Putin has Ukraine by the balls.

Ukraine is tugging a nosehair.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:34 | 4853510 marriedgeordie
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Rather, China has Putin by the balls, and has its dick quite far up Putin's ass. Except that Putin is too dumb to see it.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 14:01 | 4854145 SilvertonguedAngel
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Ukraine has soft squishy balls.


Russia has big nuclear powered titanium balls.


Obama has tiny grapenut size balls.


You have replaced your balls with soft squishy polystyrene neuticle implants.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:20 | 4852987 orangegeek
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And when supply is fed through a different source other than Russia, Russia starves again.


Communists are animals that walk up right.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:21 | 4852991 marriedgeordie
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For more downvotes - Putin Huiloo!!!!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:40 | 4853095 Duffy Duck
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usually you trolls have been picking something in the 4 years + range.

Don't think there aren't people on the other side paying attention, sugar.


Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:42 | 4853106 marriedgeordie
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And what kind of troll am I, oh the smart one :)

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:58 | 4854127 SilvertonguedAngel
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Apparently your smarts only pass for shit here...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:30 | 4853037 JR
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Yatsenyuk’s coup-installed regime continues its crackdown… as the interests of the IMF bankers take precedence over the needs of the people. You know, just like in America with her Jewish central bankers. 

President Petro Poroshenko, “Our Ukraine Insider” for the U.S. State Department | Global Research | June 13, 2014

Is he still working for his former masters in Washington, DC?

By Michael Collins

Two diplomatic messages from the WikiLeaks Public Library on U.S. Diplomacy indicate that newly elected President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko was an agent for US States State Department. A confidential message from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev on April 29, 2006 mentions the newly elected Ukraine president twice.

“During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko emphatically denied he was using his influence with the Prosecutor General to put pressure on Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr.”

“During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko denied that he was behind Prosecutor General Oleksandr Medvedko’s recent decision to issue an arrest warrant for Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr Turchynov. … [to] question him about the alleged destruction of SBU [Ukraine intel] files on organized crime figure Seymon Mogilievich.” [Russian Mafia Boss of Bosses] WikiLeaks Public Library of U.S. Diplomacy

The motivation for alleged destruction of files appeared in an embassy message from April 14, 2006.

“– The files contained information about Tymoshenko’s cooperation with Mogilievich when she ran United Energy Systems in the mid-late 1990s.” WikiLeaks

Yulia Tymoshenko, an aspiring oligarch, is the darling of the both the Bush and Obama administrations for her role in the 2004 Orange Revolution that brought the first modern anti-Russian Ukraine government to power. She helped negotiate the natural gas deals between Ukraine and Russia. In the message above, Poroshenko is making excuses for seeking Timoshenko’s prosecution by Ukraine legal authorities.

Another mention of Poroshenko made it clear that the State Department saw the future value of Poroshenko’s insider role.

OU-insider Petro Poroshenko was in the running for the PM job.” WikiLeaks

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with the current president in 2009 when he served as Ukraine Foreign Minister. The content of the meeting was described in a confidential message from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev on December 18, 2009:

[Speaking to Ukraine Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko] “She [Secretary of State Clinton] emphasized that the United States envisioned multiple pathways to NATO membership.” WikiLeaks

Ask yourself, how would you regard a high level U.S. politician who met regularly at a foreign embassy and consistently advanced the interests of that country?  Poroshenko was instrumental in a now defunct Ukraine faction called Our Ukraine. However, the pertinent information is that the newly elected president had meetings (recounted in secret State Department messages) with the U.S. Ambassador, staff, and then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and others. The two cited concern critical U.S. interests (going light on Tymoshenko corruptions charges and plans to have Ukraine join NATO). Since he was doing his work in secret, he was “our insider.” It follows that Poroshenko played the role of agent...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:31 | 4853056 marriedgeordie
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Big fucking deal - Ukraine should do ANYTHING to get the fuck out of Russia's influence. I do not care if Poroshenko is a CIA agent, beats the KGB shill Yakunovych any day. Russia is a weird kind of Midas - anything it touches turns to a pile of shit.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:35 | 4853074 Jethro
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I hate to disappoint you, but the US has the anti-Midas.  Everything Obama touches turns to shit.  

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:40 | 4853101 marriedgeordie
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Obama will be out of the office soon. Putin ain't going nowhere by himself. That is the BIG difference. USA can produce another Ronald, Russia can only produce another Lenin or Stalin....

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:51 | 4853655 Citxmech
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Being a strategically located small fry in the sights of two of the globes biggest bullies is a no-win situation.  Kinda like being stuck in a prison cell with two 300lb pathological butt-rapists eyeballing you.  There's just not too many good options or outcomes on the menu for Ukraine.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:11 | 4853824 Phuk u
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Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4853130 JR
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Doo-doo is involved but I think you’ve misidentified the owner of the pile. You’ve thrown your lot in with globalist tyrants and they are defiling not only Ukraine and the EU but our country. If you are an American, why would you want that?

For your perusal:

“The real terrorists and fascists are the coup leaders that have sold themselves and Ukraine to foreign powers. Also the real terrorist and fascists are the foreign-backers of the Yatsenyuk regime in the US, Britain, France, Poland, Canada, and Germany, which have brought division, ruin, and destruction across the globe, from the former Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Libya to Syria, Mali, the Central African Republic, and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.” –Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya,  May 12, 2014, Welcome to Nulandistan: A Multimedia Look at What the US and EU Have Unleashed on Ukraine

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:36 | 4853081 Duffy Duck
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The 'Jewish' in "Jewish central bankers" seems a little tacked on here, doesn't it, JR?  They certainly are not all, or even mostly Jewish, and it's not really relevant to the discourse in the way it would be when talking about the so-called "Israel {i.e. Jewish/Zionist} Lobby.

Just seems like needlessly inviting dismissal, etc.  Hope you take me the right way...

and for what its worth, given that Ukraine is less than 1% Jewish, and Nuland and Pyatt were and Yats is and many {most} of the oligarchs...  I certainly would agree that Jewish power per se in the events in Ukraine is a fair topic of conversation no one, not even ZH, could really discuss because of the absurdly low and unfair threshold for what "antisemitism" is.  In other words - discussing "white privilege" is no more valid than discussing "Jewish privilege" but we live in a world where the latter isn't discussed anywhere and the former is disproportionately discussed by Jewish professors.  Oh, the irony!  Oh, the bullshit!

But then feminism has come and gone and guess who still has to pick up the check 99% of the time?

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:07 | 4853297 JR
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Is identification in this age of CORE Curriculum now to be merely dismissed as “tacked on?”

Yats is a Jewish central banker. Janet Yellen, Ben Bernanke, Alan Greenspan, Stanley Fischer, Larry Summers, Jack Lew, Robert Rubin et alia are Jewish central bankers.

Do you see a pattern here?

Help me to understand: Is it your suggestion that we do not identify the overwhelming racial characteristics of the people who not only manage but own these financial positions in the United States?

When our security apparatus is shared almost completely with another nation, when surveillance of American citizens has gone beyond what the public has even come to realize and when wars in the Middle East on behalf of the State of Israel have involved the use of Federal Reserve money to politicians and the military and the owners of the central bank (NY Federal Reserve Bank) primarily are Jewish families, perhaps you and I need to be brave and go beyond this low threshold of anti-Semitic territory when this people function as a united front against us.

Here is what happens when just one of Israel’s most important ties to the U.S. Congress has been severed, that of Eric Cantor. Already, the NY Times is spreading the fear among the Jews that by losing just one of their water boy carriers, Israel’s grip on the United States Congress's Empire hegemony has been loosened:

Panic at the New York Times! It’s 9/11 All Over Again |

Thomas DiLorenzo

I caught the following New York Times headline at a news stand this morning:  “Cantor Loss May Ensure Paralysis in Congress.”

Oh, the humanity!  Cantor’s defeat, says the Times, is responsible for “setting off a new wave of fear” that may “stymie policymaking.”   Yeah, right.  “Fear” that government will “only” grow at 20 percent/year instead of 20.1 percent.  This, says the Times, could lead to a “gridlocked capital,” default, and a “polarized city.”

June 12, 2014

But, oh wait… there's help. This from the New York Daily News on June 2:

Dr. Ruth promises good sex to those who support Israel and says she might shoot those who don’t (VIDEO): The legendary sex therapist reminded those who didn't plan to attend the parade in New York City that she's a former sniper for the Israeli armed forces and could still shoot a rifle:

"All of you, whoever listens to me, I promise you good sex — especially with your significant other, with your spouse — if you come and watch the parade,” the 4-foot-7 Westheimer said in the 2-minute video, which was posted online in May.

 “And as many of you know, I lived in Israel, I speak Hebrew, I was in the Haganah, I was (a) sharpshooter,” she said. “Watch out — whoever is not going to give us support, watch out for me. I can still put five bullets into that little red circle.”
Read more:

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:54 | 4854100 SilvertonguedAngel
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Ukraines Jews are the 1%, their power far exceeds their demographic, like in the USA.


Both are Jewish apartheid Israeli vassal states, primarily doing the bidding of the Jews/Israel/banksters, as opposed to the voters like most others.


Trying to create an artificial line of demarcation between Jews, Israel, and global bankster cartel is an exercise in semantical contortion.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 20:45 | 4855461 Volkodav
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Semion Mogilevich is not Russian. Many Kyiv gang are directly connected to this World's Most Wanted Criminal(supposedly)

"Russian Mafiya" aka "Red Mafiya" is not Russians

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:32 | 4853059 Idaho potato head
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*YATSENYUK should be on the BofA think tank predicting GDP growth, he'd fit right in.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:35 | 4853515 JR
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“Arseniy Petrovych Yatsenyuk [Yats], who has illegally taken the post of Ukrainian prime minister with the support of the US and European Union, was never favoured by the many of the authentic protesters in Euro-Maidan or even the grassroots members of his allies. When, without any election or public discussion, he was arbitrarily given the office of prime minister, many in the Euro-Maidan protest booed him and some even cried ‘bullet to his head.’ His party boss, the infamously corrupt YuliaVolodymyrivna Tymoshenko, was booed too after she arrived.  In reality, Yatsenyuk and the other Ukrainian politicians like the ultra-nationalist Svoboda’s Oleh Tyahnybok, appropriated the hopes and dreams of the Ukrainians that were protesting against not only the Ukrainian government of Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych, but the entire corrupt Ukrainian political establishment. Hiding behind the protesters, Yatsenyuk and Tymoshenko’s Batkivshchyna Party used the militias of their ultra-nationalist political allies to launch a violent coup in Kiev.” --Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, Global Research

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4853131 disabledvet
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"Tanks columns rolling into East Ukraine."

Here comes your Eastern Front America.

Be interesting to see what the surging Tea Party view is on military service in front line units.

Already the "hard right" has now openly attacked soldiering...let alone the very concept of honor.

Since "Dirty War" is already on the table...well, at least the Third Reich determined that having heir future being determined on a battlefield in a "final fight to the death" rather than a treasonous back stabbing treachery.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:44 | 4854058 SilvertonguedAngel
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We are openly opposed to military interventionism, especially the financial burden said intervention will place on future generations of course. Maybe OBushma will send the dreamers instead of our boys...

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 11:59 | 4853244 FlyinHigh
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The U.S.A. will pay the bill. The people here in Ukraine already think we have. And then make nice again with Russia. All will be good before winter. I prey this to be so, soon.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:05 | 4853254 CaptainSpaulding
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How nice. They waited until the day after fathers day

Happy fathers day

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:05 | 4853289 shovelhead
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They've been fiddle-fucking around with this issue for twenty years. Ukraine steals gas, Russia raises prices. Ukraine doesn't pay, Russia closes the taps.

Only a quarter of Europe's gas comes from Russia but unfortunately 80% goes through Ukraine. Shut off the taps and EU gets pinched but Ukraine is screwed. How much they'll get from EU with tight suppy is not going to be enough even with alternate sources.

Enjoy your trash talk now because your gonna be hating life this winter if you don't make a deal, Ukraine.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:31 | 4853494 gdpetti
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And some of the other EU countries are paying more. Ukraine gets a discount for transit rights. The EU as they prepare for the shakedown of Europe, in league with their Americans friends, are ordering Bulgaria and Serbia to stop the South Stream pipeline, so that they can complete the squeeze on the masses of Europe this winter... just in time for the surprise in spring... osis.

If you can't see the devil in its detailed actions, how can you choose not to follow its dictates? First you have to wake up enough to see what is and what is not, and only then can you choose the 'dark side' or the 'light'.

It really is this basic. Choose your polaritiy of expression. It's all about free will. They just 'convince' us through their propaganda, lies, deceit and force of arms to follow them when they BID us to do so. Free Will.

How can you do otherwise if you are not informed of the truth? 'The Truth will set you free'... but only if you recognize it when it knocks on your door.

It's knocking all around the world as the American led forces of darkness seek global domination for their NWO/GPS... global police state, one in which much less people are needed.

Silence equals acceptance. Speak now or forever hold your peace. Until death do us part that is... which might be much faster than we think.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:25 | 4853441 alexcojones
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The Real Winston Smith never resorted to name-calling.

Winston Smith of Oceania knew we were always at war with Eastasia, somewhere east of Ukraine.

I knew the Real Winston Smith, and believe me, you ain't him.

Signed: Eric Blair

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:37 | 4853532 NoWayJose
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We know how this will end - Russia will sell at its price, the Ukraine will buy at its price, and the US government will pay the difference by channeling the money through the ECB, IMF and big banks.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:45 | 4853594 Jano
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Where is the share for Julia T?

You did not include the commision for the oligarchs!

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:38 | 4854012 SilvertonguedAngel
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Yulia's share comes out of the CIA drug money account, so her monthly brief case full of FRN's is off budget.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 13:22 | 4853896 therevolutionwas
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"US" = us suckers will pay for it.  Why do the US sheeple put up with it?

answer: because they are sheeple.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 12:59 | 4853727 Jano
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1. Jews have planned the coup in Kijev
2. Jews have financed the coup in Kijev
3. Jews are killing us, Slavs, in Kijev.
What can be the response? SUre a pogrom. Any time latter. But sure.

Fri, 06/13/2014 - 15:55 | 4854627 Phuk u
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There is plenty of forest in Ukraine, Gazprom can wait.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 08:04 | 4913270 luftmensch
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"The Guardian reported: “A pro-Kremlin group runs a net­work of inter­net trolls, seeks to buy flat­ter­ing cov­er­age of Vladimir Putin and hatches plans to dis­credit oppo­si­tion activists and media.” Since then the dis­in­for­ma­tion cam­paign has infested com­ment threads on numer­ous West­ern sites."


"com­ments are made by indi­vid­u­als ‘paid to troll, and to den­i­grate in abu­sive terms any­one crit­i­cis­ing Rus­sia or Pres­i­dent Vladimir Putin.’"


"Some com­ment sec­tions now resem­ble ‘a sea of incred­i­bly aggres­sive and hos­tile users,” with the most obvi­ous hav­ing cre­ated accounts since Feb­ru­ary 2014, the date on which the Russ­ian gov­ern­ment began to flood the sites (Chris Elliott in The Guardian, 4 May 2014)."


"Kremlin controlled media is involved in an onslaught of rhetoric aimed against Ukraine and designed to confuse and persuade audiences in Russia, in Ukraine, and particularly in the West."


"disinformation is being spread about Ukrainian "atrocities" in what appears to many observers to be a Russian military and propaganda buildup for war against Ukraine."


"Russian authorities are unabashedly cleansing the media landscape of independent voices that have the power to shape minds..."

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