Congressman Asks NSA To Restore Two Years Of "Lost" Lois Lerner IRS Emails

Tyler Durden's picture

Yesterday, the republican campaign to get to the bottom of IRS' targeting of conservative groups was dealt an absolutely idiotic blow when the IRS, in all seriousness, announced that it had lost two years worth of emails to and from the chief subject of the investigation: former agency official Lois Lerner.

As House Ways and Means Commitee chairman Dave Camp said, "The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to congressional inquiries,” he said in a statement. "There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General."

According to NRO, the agency informed Camp that a computer crash resulted in the loss of e-mails between January 2009 and April 2011 sent between Lerner and outside agencies such as the White House and the Department of Justice. "Those messages are particularly relevant given revelations earlier this week that the agency in 2010 transmitted a database to the FBI containing confidential taxpayer information, potentially in violation of federal law."

The IRS said in a separate statement that it has or will produce 24,000 e-mails from the period between 2009 and 2011 using the files of 82 individuals with whom Lerner corresponded, and that it has produced nearly all of the 67,000 e-mails sent and received by Lerner during her time at the agency.

Apparently lack of document (and email) retention is a crime for everyone, but not for the IRS. And furthermore, only when it comes to the IRS, can a single computer crash destroy the entire email path history, even as it crosses through countless servers across the world, and ultimately lands in somebody else's inbox.

It goes without saying that for the IRS to even assume someone would believe this particular, and quite spectacular, lie is beyond insulting to even the most gullible idiot among the US population.

So we won't say it.

What, however, was simply a bizarre, if idiotic, lie has just been taken to a whole new level of ridiculousness, when moments ago, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced he would request that the National Security Agency help in the hunt for missing emails to and from the IRS’s Lois Lerner, and recover two years worth of "lost" emails. From the Hill:

In a letter to NSA Director Michael Rogers on Friday, Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011.


Stockman’s request for the NSA’s “metadata” on the emails comes as congressional Republicans probe whether the IRS mishandled applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party and conservative groups.


In a statement, Stockman said the NSA’s information “will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”


Your prompt cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated and will help establish how IRS and other personnel violated rights protected by the First Amendment,” Rogers wrote.

Turns out all those jokes about people calling the NSA and asking for backups of lost emails and of course files (because remember, courtesy of complicit megacorporations, the NSA has full backdoor access to everything anyone does) - they weren't jokes at all.

And now the NSA is caught between a rock and a hard place: because if it refuses an officialcongressional demand, it shows once again that the spy agency is entirely separated from any concept of checks and balances and accountability; if it complies, it confirms that all the NSA is, considering it can't even tap into a bunch of Al Qaeda phones and figure out what the jihadists' strategy is in Iraq, is just a massive data repository of all US electronic information, to be abused at will by corrupt, criminal government workers, some of whom will likely have to resort to the "dog ate my emails" excuse in the immediate future.

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JohnnyBriefcase's picture

NSA: "Uhh we lost them in a computer glitch too."


Because fuck you.

kill switch's picture

That was before they got the Utah facility up and solly.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

Hey jackass Congressman, they didn't build the super facility in Utah to just collect email headers, no one believes you are "overseeing" the NSA and no one believes the NSA's limited hangouts and sad fucking attempts to cover its ass. You can all stop pretending.

SafelyGraze's picture


a year famous for congress learning that it has no power to declare war (aka kinetic support) or enact laws (aka executive orders) or enforce laws (aka doj) or read the text of bills (aka international trade agreements or mandated taxes) because everything belongs to the executive branch (aka lobbyists/handlers)

window sitters


Xibalba's picture

My computer crashed at least 3 times in the past few years.  I upgraded to a new rig and surprisingly ALL my emails were still there!

quintago's picture

The NSA just needs to provide the headers. Then they can subpoena the emails of the people who sent or received the emails and find out those people also lost them in a computer glitch that happened around the same time.

TeamDepends's picture

>LL deserves death (Treason)

>Just a pawn

Tao 4 the Show's picture

Well, it really is more fun when we go full circle to blatant absurdity. Lots of ZH'ers joked about callig NSA to recover their lost files after a computer crash. Now the pols are catching up. Just not sure they get the joke.

SWRichmond's picture

It's unusual for an insider to go out of bounds like this.  One cardinal rule of power is this: genuine infighting is the death of the system.  When those with all the power use it against each other, they destroy each other.  This sort of thing should be encouraged.  Each of us should do what we can to encourage it while avoiding becoming collateral damage.

IOW, the legislature, the executive branch and the judiciary tearing each other apart is a goal worth seeking.

mjcOH1's picture

"In a letter to NSA Director Michael Rogers on Friday, Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011.

Stockman’s request for the NSA’s “metadata” on the emails comes as congressional Republicans probe whether the IRS mishandled applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party and conservative groups.

In a statement, Stockman said the NSA’s information “will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”

Your prompt cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated and will help establish how IRS and other personnel violated rights protected by the First Amendment,” Rogers wrote."


The Congressman is confused about the aims of the NSA global surveillance system.   It is not to force accountability on the executive branch.   It is to determine which US general is banging which sweet young thang, which Congressman (hint here Congress-critters) favors what variety of midget porn, and to provide the needed data for a blackmail/PR scandal executive decision.

boogerbently's picture

Great move, strategy wise.

If they can't provide them......what good are they, eliminate the multi-billion dollar, redundant "spy" group.

If they CAN provide them, obama/IRS is toast.



SoilMyselfRotten's picture

Open up that request time frame and maybe we can find out who killed Kennedy

Chupacabra-322's picture

Or perhaps the real perpetrators of the False Flag of 911.

7.62x54r's picture

NSA my ass.

Give me the hard drives, and I could probably recover the emails.

logicalman's picture

It was a lone gunman with magic bullets.

Didn't you know that?

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Why not release the tapes of Merkel's phone sex sessions with her favorite lover, too.  We the people need an entertaining diversion, after all.

mjcOH1's picture

Because there is nothing more erotic than phone sex.   In German.   With a 60 yr old woman.

logicalman's picture

Thanks a lot.

I now need a mind rinse.

Bananamerican's picture

If anyone wondered why my handle is "bananamerican", now you know

TheReplacement's picture

And here we thought you were just happy to see us.

WonderDawg's picture

Logged in just to give you an upvote. That's some funny shit.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

this is about the inner circle at the whitehouse- holder will see to it that nothing comes out...nixon's men just could not take the crimes to their logical end - and nixon lost, holder knows congess is a paper tiger.

wisefool's picture

Correct. The natural remedy for this and other situations is for congress to hold witnesses in contempt. She could have pleaded the 5th and not spoke. But not plead the faith and claim innocence. which is the only words on record.

These emails could be retained under national security but that opens up a can of worms. Same thing with executive privilege.

When they started contempt of congress charges in this and other situations, boehner said : "uhh I don't think we can do that,"

And that is it. Congress is the abject servant of the executive. Your votes for congress people are a waste of time. The Supreme Court achieved this servile status long ago when FDR told them he would pack the court if they did not approve the new deal.

Welcome to mob rule. You should Plan your entire set of life decisions based on which mob is going outnumber the other one at any future point in time.

Pig Circus's picture

If anyone wondered why my handle is "Pig Circus", now you know

goldpercent's picture

Seems like Steve Stockman either has a sense of humor or is trying to make a point.  Don't know anything about this guy and given his job I will assume he is a tool (too kind I know), but I love the move.  I look forward to the squirming.

Chuck Walla's picture

“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”

Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time


puckles's picture

Haha bullshit. The minute Lerner was officially under investigation (indeed, before it even hit the public fan) all archived data in any way relating to her within that time frame was subject to judicial conservation.  Violating that is a Federal offense.  All Federal agencies, ESPECIALLY the IRS, are aware of this, in the post-Nixon era. I can assure you that the IRS has multiple backup systems--so does every agency, but the IRS? Gimme a break  Those bozos are self-funded.  The dog did not eat this homework. 

MontgomeryScott's picture

@ puckles,

"Violating that is a Federal offense."

Yeah, and whatever.

Judges are appointed by appointees and political cronies. They are given sweet salaries and 'Federal protection', so that when they JUDGE these crimes, it will always be in favor of the criminals. Don't talk this bullshit about 'Since Nixon'. I mean, SERIOUSLY? WHICH JUDGE do you think will actually PROSECUTE these criminal elements?

'Those bozos' are NOT self-funded. They rely on YOU, the TAXPAYER, for that (as well as the FedRes to keep printing money; in return for PROMISORY NOTES on 'the good faith and credit of the United States, Incorporated').

My second ex-wife has a Pug. I never thought she was the type to favor these dogs. They're really short, and they snort a lot, but I guess they're 'cute' when they sneeze and drool. They remind me of the term 'fugly'. In fact, they're 'pugly' (not to be confused with 'Pugsly', on the 'Addams Family'. Have you noticed the similarities between Kerry and 'Lurch'?)

I wonder what the 'JUDICIAL CONVERSATION' entailed.

'Judge Smails, why don't you meet us at Bushwood? I'd like to play a couple of rounds.'

'Oh, yes, Ms. Jarrett! Will His Majesty be there?'

'Yes, Obama needs a photo-op. Perhaps you might consider being in it.'


A Nanny Moose's picture

Yup. They would all still be on the server, unless they are using POP3, which would not surprise me.

These people are fucking lying...again.

MontgomeryScott's picture

Stockman's living in Fantasyland.

Hell, ask Lois Lerner. She'll tell you. There is 'No Such Agency', and there is no record being kept. That big computer complex in Utah; well, they're simply trying to calculate the largest prime number or something just as mundane. Everyone who works there has dogs, as well. There was this incident during 'bring your dog to work' day that they have (they're very pet-friendly over there, you see), when all the dogs ate the data when they weren't looking (they were on the 'net, surfing porn sites or something, so they were pre-occupied). All that data (with the prime number search or whatever) is all gone now.

Stockman oversees No Such Agency. What's the guy's name on First Base. No, Who's the guy's name on First base. That's what I'm asking, what's the guy's name?

The people in the CONUS are a bunch of pussified cowards for even allowing the existence of the IRS, and the NSA (and, the CIA, the DIA, the TIA, and all the other unlawful unconstitutional incursions). The MAFIA in D.C. is holding hearings, trying to decide who is being MORE criminal. HOLY FUCKING SHIT! I'm just waiting for that guy Mussolini or Hitler or Stalin or whatever in the Oval Office to pass another Executive Order, so these two criminals will be QUIET about this. Let's ship another few thousand illegal alien orphans in, or make another 'prisoner trade' or something.

SWRichmond's picture

If anyone needed proof that DC doesn't work for us, the arrogance required to publicly give these "my dog ate my homework" excuses is it.  They know it's bullshit, they know you know it's bullshit, and they know there's nothing you can do about it, because they don't work for you and you can't reach them.  Case closed.

Flagit's picture

Be done with them. If you continue to file taxes you are part of the problem. They CANNOT keep everyone in jail. Lets make this the Bundy Nation. A nation of armed citizens escorting whats left of government to the border. The fuckers won't be happy until every street corner looks like Fallujah.

MontgomeryScott's picture

For the uninitiated, here's a website that has the links you need to comprehend 'Flagit's factual statement that if you continue to file taxes you're part of the problem.

Taxes are due on profits, and from 'federal employees' (and residents of U.S. territories, and from foreigners who earn money in the United States). Labor, on the other hand, is a barter between employer and employee (as ruled upon in several Supreme court cases), and is therefore not considered as 'profit'. It's all clearly spelled out in those volumes of 'tax code'.

Of course, the hardest part is to try to explain this to your employer, who seems to think that he or she or 'it' HAS to WITHOLD taxes from you. if you file the old '1099', of course, and fail to 'report', then YOU might be the target of that private offshore-held Corporation AKA 'the IRS', but if you don't have the guts to take the risk, then keep paying, as your nation and the Constitutional guarantees are RIPPED APART before your eyes.

PAY those taxes, as the 'lawmakers' decide that more surveillance is GOOD, and the militarization of the Police is GOOD, and endless wars against unknown people in order to gain control of the supply of oil for multinational corporations is GOOD.

YOU get the bill, and YOU are buying your own enslavement and impoverishment.

Lois Lerner's 'e-mail trail' has disappeared, but you can bet your ASS that mine hasn't, AND NIETHER HAS YOURS.

"Thank God for Southby." (Sorry, I don't know why I was reminded of a Clive Cussler quote from 'Raise The Titanic!', regarding the fantasy of 'Byzantium' as a way to save the world from perpetual war in the form of a missile shield, a'la 'STAR WARS'. Probably because the 'Millionaire's Special' had a group of European financeers who had heard of the formation of the Federal Reserve System, and were bound to come to America to try to STOP IT, back in 1912. That ship had a discernible list, by the way, even before it hit the iceberg or whatever. How many portholes did it have on the bow? Was it 19, or 18? I forget. Titanic, Olympic, Brittanic.)

An appetite whetter:

The video as decribed (perhaps):

Now, I KNOW that the Illuminated Ones who control everything you watch and everything you eat and everything you spend your money on and the money that you use to live aren't in the habit of mass murders, coverups, and conspiracies.

Do you like my 'avatar' pic?


Greenskeeper_Carl's picture

When did YOU personally stop paying taxes? I'd be willing to bet money that you filed your taxes like a good serf this year, and every other year. I did the same. I am not defending the tax code, or taxes in general, but everyone I've heard of who tries that shit either winds up paying those taxes plus a large fine or ends up in prison. Everyone.

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Sometimes one makes mistakes in their tax preparation. One could 'miss a zero' here or there (or add one).

boattrash's picture

SWRichmond, Thank You! I can stop reading now. You said it ALL, perfectly! + 1000

Ghostdog's picture

Please excuse Lois from turing in her emails as her dog ate them. Sign, Epstiens Mother.

logicalman's picture

You have to wonder how good a BitCoin miner that Utah sucker would be.

Just a thought.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

OT, but... While banksters and ploticians are busy screwing others, poor Greeks are busy screwing themselves, down below the Equator:

Columbia just scored on the Greek team, although technically the Greek defender (#4) caused the goal with his inept attempt to block the ball, but ended up deflecting it into his own goal.

Poor Greece peaked 2500 years ago, and it's been downhill ever since.

All sarcasm aside, maybe if they accepted the warrior Zionist god over their meek, sheep god, they'd be the Kings of the World, instead of the butt end of its jokes. Just sayin'.

ebear's picture

"Columbia just scored on the Greek team"

This is that game where they kick a little ball around on a field, right?

BTW, it's ColOmbia.

TheReplacement's picture

You mean the kickoff, extrapoint, punt, and field goal in football?

kchrisc's picture

NSA to Stockman:

"Dear fellow criminal,

We know about you too, so you better shut up.

your partners in theft and treason, the NSA."

disabledvet's picture

"What did you know and when did you know it."

This is not some minor squabble. Nor do I see this as a "comical act."

The NSA could very easily be charged with war crimes..."so tell me about the lost records."

If the Congressman is already in possession of said records of "Congressman who are laundering hundreds of millions through casino gambling" and you turn over to him documents you know are false "prepare to be shot by firing squad."

Or worse....

kchrisc's picture

"Gather them all up, the conniving pols, the belligerent crats, the thieving banksters, and let the guillotine sort them out."

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Lerner appears to have a juicy neck.  I wonder if her head, were it hypothetically to roll clear from her shoulders, would make a semi-hollow noise, like a ripe melon.

rubiconsolutions's picture

The digital equivalent of "the dog ate my homework."

i-dog's picture

There's a fucking big dog that has eaten a fucking big pile of homework within the US government over recent years!