Congressman Asks NSA To Restore Two Years Of "Lost" Lois Lerner IRS Emails

Tyler Durden's picture

Yesterday, the republican campaign to get to the bottom of IRS' targeting of conservative groups was dealt an absolutely idiotic blow when the IRS, in all seriousness, announced that it had lost two years worth of emails to and from the chief subject of the investigation: former agency official Lois Lerner.

As House Ways and Means Commitee chairman Dave Camp said, "The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to congressional inquiries,” he said in a statement. "There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General."

According to NRO, the agency informed Camp that a computer crash resulted in the loss of e-mails between January 2009 and April 2011 sent between Lerner and outside agencies such as the White House and the Department of Justice. "Those messages are particularly relevant given revelations earlier this week that the agency in 2010 transmitted a database to the FBI containing confidential taxpayer information, potentially in violation of federal law."

The IRS said in a separate statement that it has or will produce 24,000 e-mails from the period between 2009 and 2011 using the files of 82 individuals with whom Lerner corresponded, and that it has produced nearly all of the 67,000 e-mails sent and received by Lerner during her time at the agency.

Apparently lack of document (and email) retention is a crime for everyone, but not for the IRS. And furthermore, only when it comes to the IRS, can a single computer crash destroy the entire email path history, even as it crosses through countless servers across the world, and ultimately lands in somebody else's inbox.

It goes without saying that for the IRS to even assume someone would believe this particular, and quite spectacular, lie is beyond insulting to even the most gullible idiot among the US population.

So we won't say it.

What, however, was simply a bizarre, if idiotic, lie has just been taken to a whole new level of ridiculousness, when moments ago, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced he would request that the National Security Agency help in the hunt for missing emails to and from the IRS’s Lois Lerner, and recover two years worth of "lost" emails. From the Hill:

In a letter to NSA Director Michael Rogers on Friday, Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011.

 

Stockman’s request for the NSA’s “metadata” on the emails comes as congressional Republicans probe whether the IRS mishandled applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party and conservative groups.

 

In a statement, Stockman said the NSA’s information “will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”

 

Your prompt cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated and will help establish how IRS and other personnel violated rights protected by the First Amendment,” Rogers wrote.

Turns out all those jokes about people calling the NSA and asking for backups of lost emails and of course files (because remember, courtesy of complicit megacorporations, the NSA has full backdoor access to everything anyone does) - they weren't jokes at all.

And now the NSA is caught between a rock and a hard place: because if it refuses an officialcongressional demand, it shows once again that the spy agency is entirely separated from any concept of checks and balances and accountability; if it complies, it confirms that all the NSA is, considering it can't even tap into a bunch of Al Qaeda phones and figure out what the jihadists' strategy is in Iraq, is just a massive data repository of all US electronic information, to be abused at will by corrupt, criminal government workers, some of whom will likely have to resort to the "dog ate my emails" excuse in the immediate future.

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Caveman93's picture

You don't need a backup at all. PST files are stored locally in every exchange server the email ever touched during it's transit. In most larger organizations (such as the tiny example of the IRS); these files are cached locally on each and every server and for every email sent;  10 -20+ servers may very well have passed the message along (depending on the path taken). It's all easily recoverable if one "wanted" to recover it. You don't need the NSA at all...thank you Microsoft!

If these are indeed "lost", they were "lost" intentionally in accordance to secure deletion with DOD 5220.22. But, what the fuck would I know?

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/termsd/g/dod-5220-22-M.htm 

Uncle Remus's picture

What the fuck are you talking about? .PST files are the bane of every Exchange admin I've ever known and a real treat for the forensics guys.

Caveman93's picture

They leave little droppings on everything they touch.

Seize Mars's picture

BTW regarding IT, I've never seen people work as hard at getting out of doing work. Just sayin'.

Uncle Remus's picture

Tell you what, next time my pager goes off because a router in the middle of BF Fly-over goes down on a Sunday night, it's a 3-hour drive one-way and the customer has SaaS for their LoB, so no Internet, no business, I'll pass the ticket over to you.

And don't forget to take the backup of the router setup you made, a spare router and other spare parts and any tools and test equipment you might need because, well, WalMart's electronics dept. is a bit sparse.

Seize Mars's picture

Remus

Ok, ok, fair enough. You're right, it's not good to overgeneralize because I have seen some bad attitudes and bad work ethic.

To be fair, I have seen some excellent people in corporate IT functions. But honestly they seem to migrate outward, like some sort of reverse-Darwin effect.

Uncle Remus's picture

There's bad apples everywhere and sometimes that's all there are - bad apples. Guy I know had a saying - "When you're good, it hurts" - meaning if you know what you're doing and are a professional, shit winds up in your lap because it'll be dealt with.

IT has a lot of automation that needs adult supervision, but that automation doesn't just happen. You can work harder or you can work smarter - and the latter generally pays better.

logicalman's picture

The curse of competence, a rare comodity. The shit always lands on the competent - eventually.

 

dobermangang's picture

There are backups.  Plus, the NSA should have copies of the emails.  The shit is getting real now.  I bet a few IRS officials wind up dead from apparent "suicides" in the near future.  They know too much.

Funny how the New York Times and CNN are not covering the story.  So pathetic.

SpanishGoop's picture

I can not say it enough,

You stupid Americans.

I am glad i am an European. o wait....... let me think about that.

 

 

Everybodys All American's picture

Maybe. Just maybe. If Lerner were sent to jail for her transgressions before Congress the IRS itself would be less likely to openly lie to Congress. Hell, if no one takes you seriously why comply with anything at all.

kowalli's picture

US government lying all time about everything, but sometimes lie is so obvious...
What can go wrong with another lie?)

stant's picture

Thank god I bought my nail gun before the coming shortage

machineh's picture

Too bad the TSA bought up all the collated nails.

Winston Churchill's picture

These emails must implicate the White Hut.

Nothing less would  require such an asinine lie.

The Bengazi select committee will prolly get the same treatment.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

That is an excellent prediction.  I would bet you are right.  Perhaps we will soon see.

damicol's picture

I have just sent an email to the IRS   informing that unfortunately I too have the same problem..

 All my financial records were on emails that sadly have been lost, and I am requesting they could possibly  contact one of the other agenciees to inquire as to whether they might possibly be able to find them.

 

 Meanwhile i suggest everyone do the same.

 

Winston Churchill's picture

You may want to send a certified copy by snail mail, as their email server is

currently deleting selective emails..

logicalman's picture

If you've pissed 'em off, they'll find 'em.

If you've played ball, they'll stay lost.

Simple.

 

moneybots's picture

 

"In a letter to NSA Director Michael Rogers on Friday, Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011.

 

Stockman’s request for the NSA’s “metadata” on the emails comes as congressional Republicans probe whether the IRS mishandled applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party and conservative groups."

 

Why ask for the metadata when the NSA also has the content of the E-mails?

 

 

 

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Because the request is an intended stealth confirmation that the NSA only keeps metadata. When the NSA complies, and they will, they will in effect have proven they do not keep the entire email but just the headers/metedata. Saving the NSA is so much more important than saving the white house. Presidents change, the secuirty state remains. #Winning

dirty belly's picture

WAIT!  It's the X-CLASS SOLAR FLAIR that destroyed all those e-mails.

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Tao 4 the Show's picture

Good book title - "How to dress with a Solar Flair"

Just teasing you, man.

fxrxexexdxoxmx's picture

Or racism, or global warming, or income inequality, or Bush did it. Any of these are as valid a reason as they somehow got lost.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

People and companies may backup their computers and emails, but clearly...

The IRS does not back up its coNputers or emails.

Rakshas's picture

.............When it becomes serious, you have to lie......

dobermangang's picture

Or smash a hard disk or two.

dobermangang's picture

IRS Commissioner testified in March Lois Lerner emails were archived. Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax6QGmKhRwo

We really need caning as punishment for some crimes in this country.

 

girlsunshine's picture

Haven't you heard?  Anything that happens within the hallowed boundaries of Washington D.C. and as an extension any federal government building, elected politician, bureaucrat, and by extension bankster and/or associated staff person, or such person's car ,hotel room, computer, brain, etc. anytime and anywhere on planet earth is expressly protected from said law and is by its very nature inherently LEGAL and SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED BY ANY citizen of the newly formed USSA without due punishment!

Blankenstein's picture

With just a quick first pass of this video, I believe Koskinen (new IRS commissioner) also says the emails are on the server.  Then at 5:02 he says, "we have the emails."  BTW this Koskinen took over as CFO of Freddie Mac in 2009 after the acting CFO "committed suicide."

 

Blankenstein's picture

Since Koskinen testified that they have the emails, they're archived and on the server, shouldn't he be charged with lying under oath, lying to Congress or contempt?

jay28elle's picture

If there is not a protected back up copy of all data going back dozens of years there should be an awful lot of people that get the noose.

Basic IT security. IT 101.

 

Yeah, well, perfect opportunity for these to get lost, actually.  Going for broke. Got shit happening, all very unfavorable to Obama admin and Clinton, all over the world.  Not surprised they pull this shit, not to mention start pushing for gay Cub Scout leaders.

 

Just wait until he starts pardoning people.  Delay, delay, delay the GOP from gaining much traction on any of these scandals, and then come pardon time ---- voila! no one will be punishable.

22winmag's picture

Nobody can keep their lies straight anymore.

 

Professional liars are a dime a dozen, good ones are hard to find.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

+ 1

And the Mainstream Media has no interest in the truth anymore.

foodstampbarry's picture

These corrupt thieving IRS bastards are laughing at every single American.

corporatewhore's picture

All these posts and not a one asks the most important question:

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

--HRH Hillary Clinton

D-liverSil-ver's picture

Congress should tell the NSA they have two weeks to come up with the emails or they will defund their new complex in Utah

and use it for a nuclear waste disposal site.

Smegley Wanxalot's picture

They can't.  Within that 2 weeks the online affairs of every congressasshole who threatens the NSA will be released to the public thru a mysterious "security flaw" that the NSA overlooked, and strangely but thankfully didn't compromise the info of anyone who didn't threaten the NSA.

Fix It Again Timmy's picture

Ask China - I'm sure they'll be of more help than the  NSA...

q99x2's picture

The states must secede from Washington D.C.

What is the problem?

Seasmoke's picture

The states are fucking broke.

samsara's picture

If they seceded, They could create their own money and pay back the Fed with those. Here you go, 1 million Vermont Dollars. BUT, you must spend them here. How much Maple syrup you want?

deepsouthdoug's picture

And if it complies it will be turning over information for what can be viewed as a political investigation. That would be a bad precedent. Remember Nixon's enemies list?

Everybodys All American's picture

You know what is particularly irritating to me is that this investigation would lead directly into the WH. Without a doubt this president just like Nixon would do anything to retain the presidency and targeted conservatives and or his political oppostion just like Nixon. Unlike Nixon it was stopped by the political opposition. I have no doubt that this practice at the IRS still goes on today as Obama has transformed us all into a bananna republic.

Jstanley011's picture

Ding, ding, ding. The evidence tampering has nothing to do with covering for Louis Lerner; it has everything to do with covering for the smoking gun that's sitting in the middle of the Oval Office desk.

girlsunshine's picture

I am INSANE with this B.S.!  After this post I am sure to be audited.  Sorry.  My hard drive failed - no records.  I would now like to pass GO on the game board and collect my $2,000,000 pension from the brain dead public.  What NO PENSION for me???  AAAAHHHHHHH! 

Smegley Wanxalot's picture

No problem.  All the NSA has to say is "oh, sorry, that hard drive that we store Lois Lerner's mails on ... yeah, it crashed here too. I hate it when that happens."

You gotta get up pretty early to trip up US intelligence ... like around 2:45 in the afternoon.

earleflorida's picture

check out gwu.edu declassified archive site (NSA/CIA)site:

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/index.html

and this site:    http://www.muckety.com/Internal-Revenue-Services/5003118.muckety

lois lerner & Assoc. ?!? 

Note: Who is John And Terry Chiang?

Atomizer's picture

NSA reply: During our software upgrading process, we lost a large chuck of archived data. I’m afraid that this information is irretrievable.

/LOL