Congressman Asks NSA To Restore Two Years Of "Lost" Lois Lerner IRS Emails

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Yesterday, the republican campaign to get to the bottom of IRS' targeting of conservative groups was dealt an absolutely idiotic blow when the IRS, in all seriousness, announced that it had lost two years worth of emails to and from the chief subject of the investigation: former agency official Lois Lerner.

As House Ways and Means Commitee chairman Dave Camp said, "The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to congressional inquiries,” he said in a statement. "There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General."

According to NRO, the agency informed Camp that a computer crash resulted in the loss of e-mails between January 2009 and April 2011 sent between Lerner and outside agencies such as the White House and the Department of Justice. "Those messages are particularly relevant given revelations earlier this week that the agency in 2010 transmitted a database to the FBI containing confidential taxpayer information, potentially in violation of federal law."

The IRS said in a separate statement that it has or will produce 24,000 e-mails from the period between 2009 and 2011 using the files of 82 individuals with whom Lerner corresponded, and that it has produced nearly all of the 67,000 e-mails sent and received by Lerner during her time at the agency.

Apparently lack of document (and email) retention is a crime for everyone, but not for the IRS. And furthermore, only when it comes to the IRS, can a single computer crash destroy the entire email path history, even as it crosses through countless servers across the world, and ultimately lands in somebody else's inbox.

It goes without saying that for the IRS to even assume someone would believe this particular, and quite spectacular, lie is beyond insulting to even the most gullible idiot among the US population.

So we won't say it.

What, however, was simply a bizarre, if idiotic, lie has just been taken to a whole new level of ridiculousness, when moments ago, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced he would request that the National Security Agency help in the hunt for missing emails to and from the IRS’s Lois Lerner, and recover two years worth of "lost" emails. From the Hill:

In a letter to NSA Director Michael Rogers on Friday, Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011.


Stockman’s request for the NSA’s “metadata” on the emails comes as congressional Republicans probe whether the IRS mishandled applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party and conservative groups.


In a statement, Stockman said the NSA’s information “will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”


Your prompt cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated and will help establish how IRS and other personnel violated rights protected by the First Amendment,” Rogers wrote.

Turns out all those jokes about people calling the NSA and asking for backups of lost emails and of course files (because remember, courtesy of complicit megacorporations, the NSA has full backdoor access to everything anyone does) - they weren't jokes at all.

And now the NSA is caught between a rock and a hard place: because if it refuses an officialcongressional demand, it shows once again that the spy agency is entirely separated from any concept of checks and balances and accountability; if it complies, it confirms that all the NSA is, considering it can't even tap into a bunch of Al Qaeda phones and figure out what the jihadists' strategy is in Iraq, is just a massive data repository of all US electronic information, to be abused at will by corrupt, criminal government workers, some of whom will likely have to resort to the "dog ate my emails" excuse in the immediate future.

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One And Only's picture

emails are stored on servers...not computers. if a server crashed everyone in her department would have lost their emails as well.

any congressman....I just provided to you evidence of fraud.

No one will do anything though because our country has already collapsed.

America will get to experience socialism. It will be grand.

pashley1411's picture

In all seriousness, the computers at the IRS are, apparently, slightly above an abacusus with blinking lights.  

Not that anyone believes that the "lost" e-mails are anything other than a big fcku to the other 2 branches of government.  

Might be an interesting question to anyone running for one of those legislative sincures, with the executive not giving a bucket of warm spit for opinion or laws, what exactly do they expect to do in office?    Name a new national bird?  (a plucked chicken).

Yen Cross's picture

     This shit is beyond laughable!

Chaos_Theory's picture

Just offer a $1M bounty to the hackers to find them.  You'll get faster results than the lowest-common denominators that call themselves "civil servants."

vulcanraven's picture

First they came for the Tea Party, and I said nothing... because I hated the Tea Party, you know, those woman hating racist rednecks.

Then they came for the guns, and I said nothing, because I hated guns.

Then they came for my privacy, because you know, terrorism and all that... it's for the children.

Then they came for me, and I gladly rolled over because I am a statist bitch.

kchrisc's picture

"First they came for my Liberty, and I did not resist. Next they came for my Property, and again I did not resist. Then they came for my Life, and I had nothing to resist them with."

kchrisc's picture

They lost something alright, their comprehension of their oaths and an appreciation for Article 3, Section 3.

Maxter's picture


They also have everything against any judge and whoever might want to procecute them.  which is why the rule of law is long gone in the country.

Gadfly's picture

It's the greatest blackmail database in the history of the world.  That's its real danger.  All politicians are now compromised and live in fear of their secrets , crimes, and indiscretions being "outed" by the NSA and others with access ito that information if they don't play ball.  Thanks to technology and the NSA, we have our very own SS, our own Stasi -- the Information Secret Police, who know everything about every body. Remember general David Petraeus and Paul Broadwel.  "The subsequent cyberstalking investigation by the FBI uncovered an extramarital affair between General Petraeus and Paula Broadwell. FBI agents also discovered that General John R. Allen exchanged sexually explicit e-mails with Jill Kelley."  I wonder how they got those emails.

samsara's picture

THATs why they REALLY hated Ron Paul

disabledvet's picture


Death By Cold Steel Report's picture

This is all bullshit and insults my intellect... How is it possible that there is no back up Sever? How is it possible there is no hard drives pulled and stored off location for the US IRS? 


You know what this really means? There all complicity with stockman asking for the NSA's help. Its a side show to distract from the almost Impossible. He's complicit as well and calls into question his compentency to be a US CONGRESSMAN! 

GoldenTool's picture

I just sold all my stock in the Onion and took out puts.

world_debt_slave's picture

time for waterboarding

redwater's picture

Time to start blowin' that whistle sweetheart. 

Sew some gold into your jacket and get on the nearest plane to Russia.

VWAndy's picture

The government is not capable of ever making this right. They destroyed the democratic system by corrupting the election processes. So all elected officials are tainted.  They all have a conflict of interest.

 LL should have been tossed in jail for even trying to plead the 5th.  The kicker is they let her do it. Chew on that for a bit.

Joebloinvestor's picture

There has already been enough disclosure from Freedom Watch to charge the bitch, but with jackasshit Holder in charge that won't happen.

However, the statue of limitations won't save this cunt so expect an Obama pardon on the last day he can do it.

lakecity55's picture


"When the Snake Eats its Tail"


Hello, NSA, Agent Smith or Jones here.

IRS here, Agent Smith or Jones. I am IRS Agent Jones or Smith. It appears you are looking into our email server.

Yes. I have to find Lerner's emails.

I hate to tell you this Agent Smith or Jones, but we have found a major problem. We may have to audit your taxes for the last 25 years.

Err, uhh, Whoops! I lost all the information I had on Lerner. Looks like I am out of your server.

Well, it appears we made a mistake on that audit. Keep up the good work, Agent SMith or Jones.


smithmorra's picture

It just goes to show that the Republican party is all in favor of police state fascist tactics as long as they satisfy their interests.  It would be interesting if they could come up with such records.  As of yet I have seen no real bombshells from Snowden, like the real extent of the warrantless surveillance that was supposedly ubiquitous.  

Savyindallas's picture

Snowden did not have the security clearance to get access to the really good stuff  - like political assasinations, the traitors involved with 911, murders by thge Cintons, obama team, sexual perversions and bribes and other crimes by the top guys  -much less the really good stuff  -the illuminati bastards who really run things\. 

pupdog1's picture

..and I lost two years of receipts and pay stubs, you dried-up fucking cunt.

pankowboy's picture

Put the bitch in jail for contempt of Congress. The subpoena the head of IT. Give him a 24 hour choice: get the fucking emails or you will be in jail too and we will have someone else looking. Lather, rinse, repeat until they come out. They are NOT lost, they are just lying.

OBTW, give blanket amnesty to any taxpayer who "lost" their records during the same interval.

pankowboy's picture

Put the bitch in jail for contempt of Congress. The subpoena the head of IT. Give him a 24 hour choice: get the fucking emails or you will be in jail too and we will have someone else looking. Lather, rinse, repeat until they come out. They are NOT lost, they are just lying.

OBTW, give blanket amnesty to any taxpayer who "lost" their records during the same interval.

wisefool's picture

"Stockman requested that the NSA turn over information it has about emails between Lerner and outside groups between January 2009 and April 2011."

For Star Wars nerds only:

"there is always a bigger fish". Liam Neisen. Ewnen McGregor, Jar Jar Binks. Episode I.

wisefool's picture

In that scene it was jar jars responsibility to safely guide Qui-gon And obi-won through the core of the planet. A metaphor for hell. He is completely in competent but has good intentions. In addition to that is distracting dialogue with his prattling on (like the "insiders" in this drama. )

Obi-won (macgregor) is concerned. Qui-Gon (neisen) is not. If you have access to the full scene. The "fish" at the end is not a fish. But you need a tv with really good black and white contrast to see what it is.

css1971's picture

This is simply not credible. It's a bald faced lie.

the IRS, in all seriousness, announced that it had lost two years worth of emails

SMC's picture

Those two years of missing emails may implicate current players.

Mid-term election worries may be causing the Obummer regime to do the "super freak" dance once again.

If the NSA can not find the emails, perhaps Anonymous will help.


Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Dont worry, they'll still hunt you down for the $200 in online sales you didnt pay tax on.  Bwahahahah!

joego1's picture

If these worthless sacks of shit can't be held responsible for immoral wars and torture hide and go seek with emails is small potatoes.

bh2's picture

So we have this government worker retaining official correspondence on her own desktop machine (not on the mail server?) and the disc crashes (who knew THAT could ever happen?) and ... wait for it ... there are no nightly backups on these machines to assure records kept in only one location cannot be restored?

Really? And who is the genius in charge of information security at the IRS?

This enire affair goes well beyond the bounds of possibility unless this agency is just as incompetent as it is corrupt. Of course one does usually suggest the other.

ebear's picture

On the bright side, no buildings were harmed in the loss of these emails.

wisefool's picture

Maybe the NIST boys could help out with some of this technical stuff, since they finished buttoning up the whole story about the only modern steel and glass building that has colapsed from an office fire, and ever will.

Yes, after that investigation, it is still okay to work and live in a highrise and at the same time have indoor electriciy and HVAC.

Legolas's picture

This excuse won't flush and is part of an orchestrated media event.  Sorry, but all email communications are backed up onto tape and stored offsite.  It's called basic disaster recovery and it is a part of standard tasking since before 911.  This stuff gets audited every year as a part of standards compliance practice.   Don't let these people play you!  Don't buy the false left/right paradigm either.  Republicans know such an excuse is nothing more than a lie.  It remains to be seen whether they will call any hands on this.  NSA, give me a break.  Seems like a nice easy way to derail an investigation.

samsara's picture

If you work in IT you Know that there is no such thing as "It's been deleted".

It's backed up somewhere as Legolas said. IRS has access to it, Just call their offsite storage co. And ask for the tapes.

Legolas's picture

Give me Lerner's desktop or laptop, and I'll give 98% + odds that I can get a record of her email communications.  Email communications is not a "single point of failure" data type.

Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

My next question is which 'Republicans' will play along to put this 'investigation' into the dustbin.  What was the price for this, Judas, 30 bricks of gold?

Jano's picture

Dear Fellow ZH readers, can somebody tell me, how does your Government headed by Nobelprize laureat Hussein Kenya Obanana want to fiq Irq, Lybia, Syria, Boko Haram, Ukraine, when this government is not able to fix their computer records?

SMC's picture

I would say that this attempt at perjury combined with obstruction by destruction of evidence is so lame that it qualifies as yet another classic Obummer "fix".

I imagine that we will be entertained by another presidential Sgt. Shultz (Hogan's Heroes) imitation soon.

NoWayJose's picture

They probably have 'fixed' them - at least in their minds - by deleting them on purpose. Of course, they will find out that anything entered on a computer never truly disappears.

Legolas's picture

Call in the military to perform a raid on the agency overnight, shutting the agency down completely.  I mean complete, cold shutdown, including power and communications, seizing all assets.  NBD, we're broke anyway.  Then go see if Lerner is willing to testify.

Emergency Ward's picture

This just in --

"The Onion dot com shuts down, cannot compete wth Reality."

straightershooter's picture


If NSA does produce the missing two-year worth of email, then NSA admits unauthorized snooping into federal agency....blah, blah,,


If NSA is not able to produce the two-year worth of email, then NSA is useless, not worthy of federal budget allocation......

Either way, NSA is now officially labeled " not sure anyway"



VWAndy's picture

Interesting that they requested the emails as opposed to ordering that the NSA deliver them on a particular date.

Old Poor Richard's picture

Take the entire chain of command, from the head of the IRS down to the person who makes the backup tapes and the security auditors who doublecheck the backups, and find them in contempt of Congress.  And inform them that until the tapes are found, their paychecks are paid into escrow for up to 100 years--so they still earn the money, but it might be the year 2114 before they get to spend the money if the tapes don't re-appear.


Government needs you to pay taxes's picture

Yes, yes, and yes.  Lock 'em all up in DC jail til the canary begins to sing.

NoWayJose's picture

Right. No backups for 2 years? Bring in the computer staff responsible for that and prosecute them. As soon as the first domino goes to jail this house of lies will cave in. And kudos to Stockman for getting the NSA in this position. Now push hard because what good is all this NSA data for terrorist prevention or monitoring if it takes 6 months to retrieve the data!